Bannon's War Room - Episode 5507： Final Day Of Charlie Kirk Assassination Hearing

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00:00:40.680 my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. 0.62

00:00:48.160 okay welcome back it's friday 10 july year of order 2026 momentarily we'll go to provo utah

00:00:59.980 to the charlie kirk the fifth and final day of the evidentiary hearing there's one more witness left

00:01:05.620 of course uh you heard that uh the judge said they're going to brief certain controversial

00:01:10.700 issues that means the you know the briefings are by um writing and then i guess in september

00:01:17.760 they're going to reconvene anyway we'll get all of that worked out on the afternoon show

00:01:22.440 i think we'll dip in for it i want to thank mo and grace doing a fantastic job yesterday

00:01:26.720 uh the um and we will have uh we will do all that this afternoon and maybe tomorrow talk about it

00:01:35.580 but it's going to be the september like decisions um my taxes book when you read it and i want to

00:01:43.420 tie michigan georgia to bowling green if you go to manhattan to the financial district all the way

00:01:50.320 at the very tip battery park where the battery is and it's called the battery for a reason because

00:01:54.940 there was a battery there um and bowling green right next to it um when washington read this

00:02:04.720 and what's ironic he kind of started the war officially because it had been an unofficial

00:02:12.260 And as John Adams kept saying, yo, we're in open combat in Lexington, in Concord, in the siege of Boston.

00:02:20.500 There's a war and dragging the cannons from Ticonderoga.

00:02:24.000 We're at war. We're in a shooting war.

00:02:26.220 And so what we need to do is declare that war.

00:02:30.280 All the great thoughts and all of it that touch humanity and kind of what I call the preamble or the lead in to the declaration of war.

00:02:39.340 because two-thirds of the document is a declaration of war

00:02:42.940 against the crown, against commons and lords,

00:02:46.480 and against the British Empire

00:02:47.660 and the monopolistic power of the British East India Company

00:02:51.160 and much more, all of it. 0.71

00:02:52.960 It's a declaration of war.

00:02:55.740 The first time I think a colony or colony of any scale

00:02:59.740 had actually declared war independence 0.98

00:03:04.460 because that's leading to war,

00:03:06.740 and this is why this is called the War of Independence

00:03:08.820 instance, the three phases, the way I look at it, the three phases is phase one is the

00:03:14.460 American Revolution, that whole transition of thinking and thought that led to the Continental

00:03:20.520 Congress and to the declaration itself, the committee and Jefferson's thinking and Adam's

00:03:27.320 thinking. But then you transition pretty quickly. Now you're in a former war. You formally declared

00:03:33.180 war on the crown, of which they said, because you've gone back and forth, they've told you,

00:03:38.260 hey, if you keep up this, this is treason. 0.99

00:03:41.420 In treason, we're going to hang all you guys. 0.99

00:03:43.720 This is why Franklin said it. 0.92

00:03:48.040 The power of this is the great leaders and the men of the Enlightenment

00:03:51.560 and the great thinkers and lawyers are magnificent in the setup

00:03:57.660 and all the way through.

00:03:59.800 But there's a time for deep thoughts and great thoughts to give purpose.

00:04:05.300 because remember the three phases of war is part one you have to take the high ground morally and

00:04:13.020 intellectually and spiritually to give give your troops to give your people something to fight for

00:04:19.240 something to hang on to what is it that we're doing here what is it that we're fighting for

00:04:23.260 phase two is to crush the enemy and to get to victory phase three is to then fill you know

00:04:31.540 leave a smoking crater phase three is a Phil said smoking crater with your values and your beliefs

00:04:37.460 and your customs and your mores that process so they read it out loud on the 8th and Hancock

00:04:48.520 sent it down to Washington or send it up to Washington in New York because New York is

00:04:54.640 strategic center. Now here's what's so, here's what's very important. When he's gathering them

00:05:01.700 on Bowling Green, and he's reading this to them, this very powerful words, particularly the fact

00:05:08.180 that you've got this statue that's like Caesar, because it was based upon one of the great

00:05:15.540 statues in Rome. So you've got, I think it's the statue of Hadrian, if I remember correctly. I

00:05:23.780 think was based upon that you've got um you've got george iii looking like a roman emperor

00:05:32.540 and people had done this at the end of the french and indian wars because of you know we won because

00:05:40.040 we were still a british colony and these were british subjects so you have all these british

00:05:44.520 subjects right there and they're reading to it now this is not in some vacuum like i said you go

00:05:50.100 to manhattan at the very tip you've got the battery next to wall street right there boom

00:05:54.480 broadway you're right there at the very tip the battery and you've got bowling green right next

00:05:58.220 to it well what's going on in the in the biggest greatest harbor in the world uh 300 combat ships

00:06:06.860 and auxiliaries and 32 000 combat troops and backups including i don't know what it was five

00:06:16.440 six seven eight thousand hessians who were kind of these mythic savages like when caesar tried to

00:06:24.840 um tried to cross the rhine and uh and and and placate or subject or subdue the tribes in the 1.00

00:06:33.900 german forest remember the opening scene in gladiator think that okay you got these hessians

00:06:40.020 got these you got these brothers that are not known for negotiation they're known for having 1.00

00:06:44.940 on a long pike or a a bayonet coming at you with a huge hat scare the hell out of you right and all

00:06:53.780 the legends about them that's in the harbor looking at you they've come here's what they think about

00:07:01.240 your declaration of war oh you're tough guys this is what you're going to do you're going to tell us

00:07:06.780 we're the british empire we're the british army in the royal navy the royal navy one of the

00:07:11.260 greatest institutions ever created by man you're going to tell us you punks are going to sit there

00:07:17.500 john adams who's john adams john adams and uh thomas jefferson and uh and you guys are going

00:07:24.140 to tell us what you're going to tell the king who by divine right rules our empire you're going to

00:07:30.300 tell us what you're going to do in fact you're going to tell us that you're just going to take

00:07:34.100 this whole thing this this this as far as you saw the clips we played it from the madness of king

00:07:39.460 george the magnate they understood the magnificence of north america hell they had just fought a war 0.66

00:07:48.980 as part of a hundred year war they just fought a war to take it from the freaking french 0.51

00:07:54.420 and to go into hock to do it of which they were trying to undo being in hock by telling the

00:08:03.180 colonies hey look have a little something for the effort it's you know you guys are living there

00:08:07.620 you're getting the benefits from it you got to throw something into the tilt we need some money

00:08:10.960 we need some cash we got to tax you but the dispute really came down to who's in charge

00:08:18.200 and the british was telling you who's in charge i got 300 they said it looked like a forest of

00:08:25.440 mast out there think about how magnificent it did when we were there on saturday you had 50

00:08:30.320 or 60 tall ships from around the world look how stunning they look that's 50 uh these had 300

00:08:37.540 and lots of them had had cannon ready to be used to go up to hudson and say hey we're going to cut

00:08:45.900 this thing in two we're going to cauterize massachusetts because those guys are out of

00:08:49.360 control and we're going to have the more gentle people in in in pennsylvania and in virginia

00:08:57.160 in the middle atlantic states we can talk reason to them and you keep these hotheads down south

00:09:01.660 they're out of the program anyway to keep them keep them out of it we got this

00:09:05.100 it's called war and if you're in bowling green you realize hey i don't know how i don't know

00:09:11.520 what my carbon dating is what my half-life is going to be but i'm pretty sure it's not going

00:09:16.540 to be long that's your lineage read now we're in the stage of the war of independence read it 0.99

00:09:25.100 We get our ass kicked forever. 0.99

00:09:30.860 Washington's strategy is very simple. 1.00

00:09:32.640 Keep the army intact.

00:09:34.900 Keep the army in being.

00:09:37.300 If we can do that, we can drag it out.

00:09:41.120 And eventually, if we don't quit, we win.

00:09:43.820 Have you heard that before?

00:09:44.820 If we don't quit, we win.

00:09:48.600 This is exactly what's going on in Georgia and in Michigan.

00:09:52.880 with the volunteers the caroline jefferson the garland favoritas and all of it against a

00:10:00.740 establishment that's working against you let's let's just lay the cards on the table

00:10:06.680 why is pulte a dni why is john solomon have to leave real america's voice from the show

00:10:12.960 that i've tossed to and i'm quite honored on this channel think about it the great honor i have had

00:10:19.500 that at noon every day for years i would toss to the charlie kirk and the charlie kirk show

00:10:24.420 and then at six o'clock you toss you got john solomon and amanda head john solomon and john

00:10:29.640 solomon's now in the white house working and everybody's saying it's unbelievable what's

00:10:34.680 happening why is that happening why does it have to be a guy like pulte and john solomon why john

00:10:42.580 summit why gateway pundit and uh funny and patty mcmurray and a hundred the hundred the sacred

00:10:50.780 hundred the honored hundred in michigan that gave up their time hours and hours and hours to go

00:10:56.480 through 155 000 freaking ballots multiple times to find 26 000 that are illegal when you've been 0.96

00:11:04.420 told it's been rammed down your throat that you're a nutcase and you're fringe and this show's banned 0.98

00:11:10.380 ever ready de-platform all of it like i give a tinker's damn about that because i don't because 0.98

00:11:17.940 the show just gets bigger and bigger because you know why a lot of people want to know what's going

00:11:21.940 on and in georgia this is years and years and years and they indict people and they try to get

00:11:31.140 them on felonies and they bankrupt them was the republican party did they ever come in and have

00:11:38.000 your back? Did they ever come in and say, no, we can do this together? We get, no, they worked

00:11:43.680 against you. They worked against you, working against President Trump. John Thune in this

00:11:48.420 crap, come and give me a break. We don't want to do this, we don't want to do this, do this. He's 1.00

00:11:53.600 got to be turfed out. You don't turf him out, you're going to lose the Senate. And this is even

00:11:57.220 with Michigan and with Maine probably going our way. People just don't have the enthusiasm.

00:12:01.740 they don't here's i know they don't the small dollar donations which used to be voluminous

00:12:08.600 everywhere they've dried up like a creek during a drought why the little guy sitting there going

00:12:16.580 i'm got to figure this thing out who's real and who's not real who's talk and who's action

00:12:22.580 separate the wheat and the chaff just like they did in the revolution do you think 90 percent of

00:12:29.760 the people here in the continental United States were, hey, let's take England on. Let's take on

00:12:34.440 the greatest, most powerful empire to that date in world history. Let's do it with the people to

00:12:40.020 my left and right. No, it was not. It was a quite small number that fought, and there was a small

00:12:46.540 number that supported. The rule of thumb was a third. A third. In New York City, which by

00:12:56.260 september i think basically was gone so they're sitting there on the 10th of 9th of july they're

00:13:02.640 reading the declaration of war against the guy with a big huge gold you know lead statue covered

00:13:08.040 in gold looking like caesar right in a triumph massive statue they're looking up at that thing

00:13:15.100 and you're declaring war in that and you look out there and you see the you see 300 combat ships

00:13:22.020 of the greatest Navy in the history of the world, in world history.

00:13:29.680 Some of its greater glory to come, but from Francis Drake and those guys,

00:13:33.400 they were pretty damn good where they were, about to have enormous,

00:13:39.200 to beat Napoleon and have Nelson at Trafalgar in the Nile, 0.98

00:13:43.780 take on the French Navy, take on the Spanish Navy, and kick their butts. 0.98

00:13:47.680 That's what you're looking at. 0.99

00:13:48.900 You got nothing.

00:13:49.580 You don't even have any ships.

00:13:52.580 you're a ragtag you got a little continental army and a bunch of militia you don't even know how to

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00:14:08.900 when that when the volleys start hitting and the british army knew how to hit you with a volley

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00:19:46.100 supporting your values. Ms. Kirk, good morning to you as well.

00:19:54.180 First, with respect to courtroom protocol, to maintain security and decorum, any individual

00:20:00.820 that exits the courtroom during proceedings will not be permitted to re-enter until recess,

00:20:07.940 after recess.

00:20:09.200 All counsel are expected to take reasonable measures to safeguard confidential communication.

00:20:14.420 Such measures may include the use of screen protections on electronic devices and care

00:20:18.820 to avoid the inadvertent capture of privileged or private discussions by recording equipment

00:20:24.840 or by those present in the courtroom.

00:20:28.560 Second, the court will address the camera operator and the still photographer.

00:20:32.520 If both of you could please approach the lecture.

00:20:35.440 the court's purpose in this dialogue is to ensure clarity regarding the expectations

00:20:52.520 governing today's proceedings could you both please state your roles for today's hearing

00:20:57.180 my role is to capture pool photography still photos my role is for video in accordance with

00:21:04.960 the court decorum order. And I apologize, would you mind putting your names on the record?

00:21:09.300 Tess Crowley. Megan Thackeray with KSL. Thank you. Have you both reviewed the court's standing

00:21:15.720 decorum order? Yes, yes. Do you understand the requirements set forth in that order as it

00:21:20.920 applies to your activities today? Yes. Do you require additional time to review the order or

00:21:26.400 to adjust equipment to ensure compliance? No. Do you anticipate any difficulty complying with the

00:21:33.760 order? No. All right. Thank you both. Before we begin this morning, the court wishes to acknowledge

00:21:44.840 the importance of the safety, dignity, and well-being of all those who are present or who may

00:21:50.180 be present during these proceedings, including the parties, counsel, witnesses, court staff,

00:21:56.260 and members of the public. The court is also mindful of its solemn obligation to protect

00:22:02.240 and uphold the constitutional rights of Mr. Robinson and Ms. Kirk.

00:22:09.040 In furtherance of those important interests, all persons attending these proceedings are reminded that portable electronic devices are not permitted in the courtroom or on the fourth floor.

00:22:21.100 Cell phones are not permitted in the courtroom unless expressly authorized.

00:22:24.340 Any unauthorized possession or use of a cell phone or electronic device in the courtroom may be addressed by the court.

00:22:32.240 For those individuals who have a cell phone, I invite you to join me as I silence my cell phone

00:22:39.360 to ensure that the proceedings today can proceed without distraction.

00:22:46.800 The court also expects every person in attendance will be treated with the dignity and respect to which they are entitled.

00:22:53.780 consistent with this court standing decorum order all spectators shall

00:22:59.060 remain quiet civil and orderly at all times spectators shall not engage in

00:23:04.820 conduct that is distracting disruptive provocative disrespectful uncivil or

00:23:10.280 threatening in any manner spectators shall not make audible comments of any

00:23:15.140 kind shall not shake or nod their heads and shall not make gestures or of other

00:23:20.060 visible reactions during the hearing spectators shall also not wear or display pins buttons signs

00:23:28.460 clothing photographs or other items expressing support for or in opposition to any person

00:23:34.940 connected with this case we're expressing any position concerning the status of this case as

00:23:40.620 a capital offense the court appreciates the cooperation of all present in maintaining a

00:23:46.060 a courtroom environment that is safe, respectful, and orderly, and faithful to the rights and

00:23:52.020 dignity of every person involved.

00:23:58.300 All rights.

00:24:01.000 My understanding is the party's wish to address an issue before we get started.

00:24:07.600 Is that correct?

00:24:08.820 We may.

00:24:09.480 Mr. Novak.

00:24:12.960 Thank you, Your Honor, and good morning.

00:24:14.580 I passed up to the court after providing copies of it to counsel for the state and counsel for the media, a single piece of paper.

00:24:25.680 Does the court have that?

00:24:26.760 I do. Thank you, Mr. Novak.

00:24:28.320 Thank you, Your Honor.

00:24:29.200 So every morning this court has a colloquy with the camera operators about their ability to comply with this court's orders.

00:24:40.800 and they acknowledge that they understand the order and that they can

00:24:45.360 comply with it and the court asks them if they have any problem with it and

00:24:49.020 they state to the court that they do not have a problem with it. We also spent

00:24:53.880 many many many hours of court time addressing which exhibits will and will

00:25:00.600 not be published through the electronic media and this exhibit the court ordered

00:25:10.560 would not be published through the electronic media and it was and without

00:25:18.660 belaboring the point the court can imagine our concern that the media and

00:25:26.440 the state who control this exhibit and the publication of this exhibit in the

00:25:33.200 courtroom as per the court's orders failed to comply with this court's

00:25:37.780 orders after all of the effort that we made and the court made to make sure that the court

00:25:42.740 balanced everybody's rights, including the rights that we're concerned about,

00:25:49.600 which are Mr. Robinson's. No doubt the counsel for the media and counsel for the state will say

00:25:58.560 that it was a very, very brief mistake, that it was corrected as soon as they realized the error,

00:26:05.440 but it's done. It's out there. It's photographed. I'm informed secondhand that

00:26:12.400 if I want to buy this image and maybe even have it framed and put behind

00:26:15.960 museum quality glass I can do so and put it up in my office. Obviously I'm not

00:26:21.960 going to do that but my point is it doesn't matter how long the court's

00:26:27.640 order was violated when we live in an electronic world. It's done and it's

00:26:32.100 permanent and we just wanted the record to be clear that we're concerned that the court's

00:26:38.460 orders have been violated and they've been violated with respect to an order that was

00:26:43.100 specifically designed to protect Mr. Robinson's right to a fair trial. And I don't want to belabor

00:26:48.180 the point any further. I'm also not going to refer to the exhibit with any more specificity

00:26:52.920 because it's not necessary. Is there a requested remedy or potential sanction that you feel is

00:26:59.640 warranted given the actions which you have outlined this morning? I think that

00:27:05.480 we would like to think when I say we I mean Mr. Robinson's counsel about that

00:27:10.500 we have as the court knows repeatedly asked this court moved this court not to

00:27:17.080 have electronic broadcast of this proceeding of any of the proceedings and

00:27:24.000 specifically this proceeding the court denied those motions and overruled our

00:27:29.340 objections to the specific EMC requests so I think it's a little premature but

00:27:36.540 I can represent to the court that we will suggest a remedy in advance of the

00:27:43.000 next hearing well mr. Novak I appreciate that but I would ask that if it is

00:27:49.040 something that is concerning that it be addressed immediately so I'm not going to

00:27:53.820 wait until this i recognize and appreciate what you have described and this was on my mind a lot

00:28:01.660 last night as well okay i don't want to sit on this so i ask you respectfully to confer with

00:28:07.880 your counsel and and come up with that because i want to address it i agree it is concerning

00:28:13.440 and it warrants examination and to be addressed immediately especially as we have a little bit

00:28:19.400 left of our preliminary hearing so I want to give it the way it is needed and

00:28:24.080 I don't disagree with you then why don't if why don't we pick the court's

00:28:28.940 indulgence we don't need to empty the courtroom we can go talk about what we

00:28:32.460 think an appropriate measured sanction would be we can bring that suggestion

00:28:37.580 back to the court in a few minutes all right well before we do that I want to

00:28:41.120 turn to the state and to the media to address what you've addressed and then

00:28:45.920 obviously if there's a part two then then therefore I appreciate the

00:28:49.400 invitation and I also appreciate the courts desire to address the

00:28:54.360 consequences if any immediately thank you I was not trying to delay it I just

00:28:59.060 think it's a it's a it's an issue which which warrants some thought the court

00:29:05.780 has said it gave it some thought we will have a suggestion very briefly thank you

00:29:10.520 turning to the state. Thank you, Your Honor. I think at the outset it's important to recognize

00:29:26.760 that everyone's doing their best here. The court is. I know the clerks are. I think the media is.

00:29:34.800 we certainly are in the defenses. This issue came up in the context of an examination of a witness.

00:29:43.940 One exhibit was published. Before the exhibited issue was also brought onto the screen,

00:29:52.580 I explained what we were going to do, and then the exhibit was brought onto the screen.

00:29:58.740 I reviewed the video last night the camera was captured this for

00:30:04.880 approximately two seconds the camera operator I think acting in diligence and

00:30:09.600 appropriate lists immediately panned as soon as she realized that there was a new

00:30:13.620 exhibit on the screen the court took it down as soon as they realized that an

00:30:17.640 exhibit was on the screen I immediately instructed my paralegal to take it down

00:30:21.400 and it was defense I think everyone involved here made quick and

00:30:28.540 appropriate efforts as soon as they realized the mistake had been made to

00:30:32.620 remedy and mitigate that issue as I explained what I was having that what we

00:30:38.500 were going to do defense counsel did not object as that happened and the reason I

00:30:43.420 bring that up is because the requirement for timely objections

00:30:47.820 moreover I do want to say this exhibit was read into the record it was allowed

00:30:56.420 to be read into the record earlier it is also in an earlier pleading which is the

00:31:03.640 information this portion of that exhibit I understand is in the information and

00:31:09.100 it is largely cumulative of exhibit 16 and 16.1 which were previously admitted

00:31:16.420 into evidence and published to the media finally we're going to be dealing with a lot of publicity

00:31:25.280 when it comes to media coverage and I think that's really where the remedy is going to be addressed

00:31:29.660 I understand there may be a remedy that needs that can be fashioned today to prevent this kind

00:31:33.940 of thing going forward or going on in the future and this hearing but I think ultimately that's

00:31:38.660 where this will be addressed any other questions for me your honor well I not at this time I will

00:31:46.400 afford you the opportunity obviously to respond when the fence comes back I want

00:31:51.260 to weigh this and taking in consideration and and I find your representations to

00:31:56.480 be accurate as to what occurred I believe that I noticed it and asked for

00:32:01.160 it to be taken down because I have a live stream on my screen for that very

00:32:06.260 purpose and the sequence I believe I made note and if I'm wrong please correct me

00:32:11.060 It's been a long, four past days, but that's the only addition that I find to the representation.

00:32:18.660 And certainly, Mr. Novak, feel free to correct it if you believe the sequence was any different.

00:32:23.960 I just want to make sure a clear record is being made of what happened in order for whatever happens next to be appropriate and proportional to the actions that occurred.

00:32:34.840 No, and that's consistent with my memory, and I also reviewed the video, the live stream as well, in preparation for this issue today.

00:32:41.620 So that's exactly what I think happened.

00:32:43.820 From my perspective, examining the witness, I did not have a view of what was being published to the public and the media.

00:32:51.960 And so I think the court immediately, as soon as it recognized that, brought that to everyone's attention.

00:32:57.520 Thank you, Mr. McBride.

00:32:58.720 To the media.

00:33:04.840 good morning your honor good morning um appreciate the opportunity to be here to speak on behalf of

00:33:13.820 the media um i i think our understanding of what happened is consistent with what both the defense

00:33:19.920 and the state has said here um and so i don't want to belabor that point um but here's how i

00:33:25.540 understand them there's two exhibits at issue those exhibits were used yesterday in part because

00:33:31.960 the juxtaposition of those two exhibits might have provided some sort of benefit

00:33:35.140 to the court. The first of those exhibits was asked to be published through all

00:33:43.360 three of the court's phases. The court said it will be admitted into evidence,

00:33:46.780 be shown in the courtroom, will not be shown on the cameras. That happened about

00:33:50.020 three hours into the hearing. That all went smoothly and well. That operated

00:33:52.900 exactly as it is intended to. That requires the participation of

00:33:56.380 everyone, the court, the defense, the state, media, camera operator, all to do

00:34:00.340 that well. Later in the day, when in the video I reviewed this was about five

00:34:06.040 hours into the run time yesterday, the second exhibit that was going to be

00:34:10.540 compared side by side was introduced. That also went through that three-step

00:34:14.260 process. In that case the court said that that could be admitted into evidence,

00:34:18.940 shown to the court, and then also shown on the cameras. So it was. It was

00:34:23.620 put on the courtroom cameras. At that point there was what I think is a

00:34:29.380 useful practice by the camera operator to wait a beat because sometimes mistakes

00:34:34.240 do happen right in that case though that was authorized so the camera then panned

00:34:38.080 to the screen which is set up specifically for the camera operator to

00:34:41.980 be able to capture that examination on that exhibit began then because the

00:34:48.940 examination seemed to call for that juxtaposition without much warning for

00:34:53.380 anyone involved the previous exhibit that was intended to be juxtaposed was

00:34:57.100 placed on the screen from, I think, an observer's view who didn't know where the testimony was going

00:35:05.780 without warning. The camera operator, I think quite astutely, within seconds, recognized this is a

00:35:11.880 different exhibit and recalling the court's prior order recognized I should pan off and did within

00:35:18.020 seconds. I think at the time that was happening, the court also caught that and said, let's not do

00:35:22.220 that now and that was the end of it I think the two seconds is about right I

00:35:27.560 don't want to minimize that I understand the point mr. Novak is making we are

00:35:32.180 operating in some ways on high wire and we are trying to place as many nets as

00:35:37.640 we can and all the parties are working together to try to do that but in the

00:35:41.360 age in which we live one of the challenges is that sometimes when

00:35:44.000 something like that is placed on a live screen someone can screenshot it and like

00:35:48.080 Like Mr. Novak said, if they want to put that for sale on the internet, then they can.

00:35:54.960 That's why working together to ensure that even small mistakes like that don't happen

00:36:00.260 is critical.

00:36:01.260 And the media has full, the media coalition that are given the opportunity and the benefit

00:36:06.380 of being able to be here to run cameras and to take photographs have complete buy-in on

00:36:10.280 that point.

00:36:11.280 There are, of course, people out there watching a live stream that are not part of our coalition

00:36:15.780 that we can't control, and that's why it's so important that we get these pieces right.

00:36:19.400 I do want, without going too far into the evidence, to note not only that several lines

00:36:23.960 of this exhibit are available publicly in the information, but that the full text, full

00:36:29.680 text, every word, of that exhibit is contained in a search warrant, in this case, that was

00:36:36.660 initially filed on September 17th, this is in the 4th district but in a different court,

00:36:42.560 held for six months, as search warrants often are, but then on March 17th, March

00:36:48.380 16th, March 17th, was released in full. On page seven of that search warrant is

00:36:54.560 the full text of this exhibit. I don't want to suggest that anybody gets the

00:36:59.420 right to say, well, I think it's public. The court has said don't show it in the

00:37:02.900 screen, but since I think it is, we'll just come back later on and tell the

00:37:05.780 court it's not a big deal because it's already public. That's not how it

00:37:09.440 works. If we say we think it's in the public, the court says, I understand that, but I'm going to

00:37:13.340 make an order. That order should be adhered to. But I do, for the purposes of prejudice, for potential

00:37:18.300 remedy, for the court's concern and the court's sleepless nights, I do want the court to know

00:37:22.480 that as well. And members of our coalition have pointed out to me, as we've talked about this,

00:37:26.820 while we take this very seriously, it is true in this case that the full text of that, not the image

00:37:30.660 of the exhibit itself, but the full text is already in the public sphere, has been reported on,

00:37:35.000 and is out there. I only want to reinforce, to close, the recognition that the media,

00:37:44.420 our coalition, I, as an attorney for that coalition, have an obligation to make sure

00:37:49.000 that mistakes don't get made. And in this case, even though I believe that the camera operator

00:37:54.100 didn't act in violation of the court's decorum order, you know, didn't do something that was

00:37:59.260 forbidden by that that there was an order that said don't publish this

00:38:03.700 exhibit and because it flashed on the screen when the camera operator was

00:38:07.660 filming that screen that did happen the media is fully bought in I as one of the

00:38:13.820 attorneys and the other attorneys for the media coalition are fully bought in

00:38:16.940 on a goal to make sure that this kind of thing doesn't happen of course I

00:38:21.060 understand mr. Novak and the defense's need to make a record and make an

00:38:24.460 objection and I also recognize and appreciate and understand the courts

00:38:27.760 role in trying to make sure it imposes whatever sort of direction, caution, sanction, response

00:38:34.340 that it believes is needed to make sure that its orders are recognized and adhered to.

00:38:39.900 And I want the court to know that we will understand that and we'll comply with whatever

00:38:44.020 it is that the court orders.

00:38:45.320 Thank you.

00:38:46.500 Anything further before we break?

00:38:48.520 Mr. Novak.

00:38:49.380 We don't need a break.

00:38:51.040 Okay.

00:38:51.900 The court wants a break.

00:38:52.900 I want to review this. I'm sure there is a stream out there. I want to look at it again in order to appreciate the full effect and exposure.

00:39:08.500 I remember it, but given the nature of this and trying to weigh the constitutional rights of all parties,

00:39:16.160 I want to be thorough and look at it exactly so as we move forward, as I evaluate what's being requested by the parties, that I am at the level of knowledge, and because what it is, it was on screen, I want to look at it how long, what exactly was on screen, in order to be at the point of saying, okay, I fully understand.

00:39:42.620 I mean, I was here. I saw it. I noticed it on the screen.

00:39:45.140 But again, I want to take that extra two minutes to review that.

00:39:49.020 I'm not suggesting that we rush through this at all.

00:39:51.220 I just wanted the court to understand that our request for the remedy and the sanction,

00:39:57.960 we are prepared to share that with the court.

00:40:00.320 But we can certainly wait until the court has had an opportunity to review whatever the court thinks it needs to review.

00:40:06.620 the permanence of this violation of the court order is a different issue from how long it took

00:40:15.940 to correct the violation. It's a permanent consequence. In other words, that image is

00:40:23.780 out there forever and ever in violation of the court's order, no matter what actions the court,

00:40:31.500 The state and the media took to remedy it because that's the technological world we live in

00:40:37.260 So that's my response if I made to the arguments, but we can hold our suggestion until the courts ready for all right

00:40:45.260 and

00:40:47.340 If the parties feel it'd be helpful to confer while the court is reviewing it you may just so that

00:40:53.640 If you choose to I encourage it if you don't I respect that a courts can take about five minutes again

00:40:59.900 I just want to review it to be brought up to full speed and just to have it freshly in my mind.

00:41:05.580 I'm going to make one more point, if I may, and that is this is not the first time that this has happened.

00:41:09.940 We had earlier proceedings in this case where the cameras depicted images inside the courtroom that the court had prohibited.

00:41:19.440 And the court imposed certain consequences on the media as a result of that.

00:41:27.020 and so that's just something to keep in mind in my opinion thank you all right before the

00:41:36.280 court takes a five-minute recess and to review this does any party need the benefit of the record

00:41:42.320 based off the dialogue between me and Mr. Novak all right not seeing any part of respond the

00:41:51.500 Courts in recess. We'll come back at 9.45. Courts in a brief recess.

00:42:03.200 Donald Trump's desperation to silence voters and their deeply unpopular views of his presidency

00:42:08.280 has hit an alarming and dangerous new low, with a new report about how Trump's MAGA media allies

00:42:14.200 appear to be laying the groundwork for Trump to take control of this fall's midterm elections.

00:42:18.480 Media Matters writes this, quote, right wing media figures such as Steve Bannon, John Solomon and Clinton Mitchell appear to be weaving together a narrative about interference by China in U.S. elections to justify a national emergency to curtail voting rights.

00:42:35.960 Here's an alarming sample of that. Watch.

00:42:40.300 If they can't cheat, they can't win, correct?

00:42:43.380 You agree with that?

00:42:44.280 100 percent.

00:42:44.740 The reason he ain't there and Pulte is to get to the bottom of the 2020 stolen election.

00:42:50.480 Stop talking about the SAVE Act and do a national security emergency for elections.

00:42:54.560 But also Pulte, this is why they're trying to stop him at D&I.

00:42:58.880 Why the firestorm to stop him and to shut down Solomon?

00:43:03.900 Because if you want to have an executive order that could withstand an immediate court challenge and be overturned,

00:43:10.740 you have to lay out a pretty definitive predicate for that.

00:43:14.740 And you heard the name there a few times, Bill Pulte, suggesting that Trump's newly installed

00:43:21.680 acting DNI is heavily involved in this plan. Media Matters writes this, quote,

00:43:27.140 the main players here come not only from the fever swamp backwaters of MAGA media,

00:43:32.320 but also from the office of the director of national intelligence and the White House.

00:43:36.580 How MAGA media is laying the groundwork for it just by having the discourse about it.

00:43:43.400 Yeah, and look, I mean, we should also keep in mind here that it's not, you know, the people that were outside trying to overturn the 2020 election are now inside the administration actively helping to disrupt and sort of thwart it.

00:43:57.160 So a lot of this is through a lens of not just what they're saying on the outside, but how it's working in tandem with these official positions.

00:44:03.000 So people on the outside are now running a task force. As you noted, Bill Pulte, who is now at the DNI.

00:44:08.220 and the storytellers have kind of signaled what he's there to do,

00:44:11.920 which is to help sort of be part of this sort of three-part sequence.

00:44:15.940 One is to manufacture a predicate, sort of create the evidence.

00:44:18.860 They're not going to try to find it.

00:44:20.160 They're going to manufacture something.

00:44:21.820 The thing that they seem to be centering around is this idea

00:44:25.680 that China interfered in the 2020 election

00:44:28.500 and they're going to sort of uncover by declassifying

00:44:32.420 a whole bunch of what is supposed intelligence that reinforces and improves that.

00:44:36.220 So that's the first thing, manufacture the predicate.

00:44:38.220 The second, then, would be to use that to declare a national emergency.

00:44:42.720 And then the third part of it is to impose by decree what they haven't been able to get passed legislatively or what has been sort of pushed back in the courts with these executive orders.

00:44:52.580 So that is parts of the SAVE Act and to try to further thwart and disrupt the election.

00:44:57.400 And that's it. And they are accruing it on the outside.

00:45:00.260 They're signaling all of what they're planning to do.

00:45:02.260 And they're beginning to move the machinery into official parts of government to actually execute it.

00:45:07.380 Put it this way. Jack Smith is not someone prone to hyperbole. And exactly 24 hours and 10 minutes ago on this program, on this station, he told Nicole Wallace that he is very concerned about the midterm elections and the integrity of those elections, not because of external threats, but because the internal apparatus of our government is actually, as Angelo just said, participating in laying the predicate for creating those fears.

00:45:35.340 And I want to be very clear about one legal aspect of this, Eamon, which is to say, just saying that there's an emergency is not some talismanic thing that you can waive that invokes all sorts of other powers.

00:45:46.920 There are emergency powers and statutes that grant emergency powers, but they are specific statutes.

00:45:53.080 So there's a National Emergencies Act.

00:45:54.820 It does not mention elections.

00:45:56.760 There's IEPA.

00:45:57.760 That's the statute that Donald Trump tried to use to impose the global tariffs.

00:46:02.360 And when the court, the Supreme Court considered that, it noted the word tariffs isn't in there.

00:46:08.120 The word tax isn't in there.

00:46:09.680 Well, you know what else isn't in there?

00:46:11.160 Elections, which is to say that in order to invoke emergency powers, you need to have congressional statutory authorization.

00:46:19.320 So to Angelo's point, forming the predicate, what he referred to as step one, is absolutely their plan.

00:46:25.900 Step two is where they are legally flawed, even beyond getting to step three.

00:46:31.340 But to your point, what they're trying to do will not be legal and will not be something that the law authorizes.

00:46:38.780 But the executive can almost always outpace, outrun the courts.

00:46:44.100 That's the problem.

00:46:45.180 So they can succeed in this, even if they fail legally, by creating the fear, by taking the action, and then it's almost too late.

00:46:53.040 And letting the courts catch up.

00:46:54.080 I mean, they have the ability to shape their reality on the ground and letting the courts play catch up through the various proceedings.

00:47:01.620 They can outrun the law and then turn around and say, well, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.

00:47:07.720 Yeah, absolutely.

00:47:08.420 Angela, the reporting mentions that Bannon's podcast colleague, John Solomon, who NBC News reports,

00:47:13.320 is part of a team gathering thousands of intel documents to give Trump an opportunity to amplify new accusations about past elections.

00:47:22.780 And we're seeing this dangerously play out in a state like Georgia as well.

00:47:27.740 What do we know about the relationship between the White House and the ODNI and podcasters like John Solomon?

00:47:34.520 I mean, that's that's the question here, right?

00:47:36.100 Because let's keep in mind, they've been signaling what Bill Pulte is there to do, which is to get to the bottom, is to be a participant in this.

00:47:41.220 What Solomon's task force is supposedly designed to do is to declassify documents, to uncover intelligence that proves that the 2020 election was stolen or manipulated by China, in particular, is what they seem to be settling on.

00:47:55.540 And so some things happened in the last 24 hours from the DNI where they started to fire career intelligence officials, analysts, for withholding information.

00:48:06.400 Now, what information are they claiming that they've been withholding?

00:48:09.020 We have no idea. They haven't said anything about it.

00:48:10.960 But it certainly lines up with the types of activities that Solomon is designed to get to the bottom of or help expose the very people that would be identifying this internally or saying, hey, this is there's no evidence to back this up are the types of people that they've been purging from the DNI's office and the intelligence community in the last 24 hours.

00:48:28.860 So this is part of the synergy. And the last thing I'll just note, because this is the part that I find really revealing, there was a qualified director of national intelligence that was appointed by Trump. And his nomination was ultimately withheld to get confirmed so that he could put this acting DNI in place, Bill Pulte, whose only qualification seems to be that he knows how to weaponize government offices for political purposes.

00:48:51.460 And Bannon has been saying all along that he's their guy to help execute this.

00:48:57.360 So that there's an intense synergy here where the storytelling, the media apparatus is beginning to sync up with these government entities, something that was a podcasting is now operating under a presidential seal.

00:49:10.320 And that's it. That's it. They're almost one of the same.

00:49:13.440 Legally, Bill Pulte has a lot of power as an acting DNI and not necessarily a ton of accountability.

00:49:20.000 So to Angelo's point and to their point, Melissa was pointing out that because of the way the process works with DNI, he can effectively be acting for as long as they need it and certainly can be acting through the midterms.

00:49:31.880 But every lawyer learns one thing in their first year of law school in the constitutional law class.

00:49:37.020 Angelo certainly learned this.

00:49:38.560 That is in April of 1952, Harry Truman tried to seize the steel mills.

00:49:43.800 And what was his basis? Well, the Korean War, an appending strike that could have yielded a serious shortage of steel, serious national security implications.

00:49:53.360 What did the court say? Justice Jackson wrote an opinion, one of the most famous opinions for evaluating presidential exercises of power, that there are three categories, a sliding scale.

00:50:05.140 And when the president is acting inconsistently with the express will of Congress, by the way, Congress has repeatedly, as you know, rejected the Save America Act.

00:50:15.020 That's what they're trying to do by using emergency powers.

00:50:18.080 That is where presidential power is at its lowest ebb.

00:50:21.360 So is it possible they can outrun the courts?

00:50:23.880 Yes.

00:50:24.380 But will it be illegal and unconstitutional in every way if they try?

00:50:28.400 Yes.

00:50:28.940 And so we don't want to give up hope that the courts and the people can stop.

00:50:35.140 Today is the final day for the preliminary hearing that will decide if Tyler Robinson

00:50:50.560 will stand trial. He is the man accused of shooting and killing conservative activist

00:50:54.540 Charlie Kirk last year. Yesterday, prosecutors played a taped interview with Robinson's former

00:51:00.200 roommate who said that Robinson admitted to the murder to him. Prosecution and he introduced

00:51:06.880 himself to in this sworn interview and he said that they had met in about 2023 and they became

00:51:14.400 roommates. They didn't know each other but he said in two to three months they started dating

00:51:18.720 and so they had known each other for about two years and he said on the morning of what is now

00:51:24.200 known as the shooting that Tyler Robinson said he had to get going very early to work. Four or five

00:51:29.680 AM is when he left. Remember, they live in St. George. This was in Orem, so it was over

00:51:34.160 a four-hour drive. He also said that he didn't talk to him until 11 PM that night, but the

00:51:39.980 next morning is when he arrived back at the home, and that's when he actually saw him.

00:51:45.420 That would be the 11th. He describes what he heard and what he saw from Tyler Robinson

00:51:51.220 when he arrived back to their apartment. Watch.

00:51:55.420 um did you and he ever talk about politics um he did more than me uh i i didn't really still

00:52:05.620 don't really keep up with politics very much uh he usually talked about stuff he heard on the radio

00:52:12.420 on his drive to work in like their work car since it sounds like a their whole crew went in the same

00:52:17.860 car most of the time, but I wouldn't say super consistently because it wasn't a topic I really

00:52:25.600 contributed much on. How about Charlie Kirk? Did you ever talk about Charlie Kirk? I personally

00:52:31.240 had never heard him talk about Charlie Kirk before specifically. Okay. How about political

00:52:41.300 issues so did you ever talk about gender identity issues and lgbtq rights uh no not not really um

00:52:50.740 usually if he did talk about politics stuff it was uh relating to trump or current like

00:52:58.180 policies being uh like issued or voted voted on i think so that right there that that's

00:53:07.620 interesting never spoke about Charlie Kirk now we've got some some text that we

00:53:12.900 want to show you because they texted a lot right after the shooting happened he

00:53:18.780 said you weren't the one who did this right I am I'm sorry why did I do it

00:53:25.680 yeah well I'd had enough of this hatred some hate cannot be negotiated out now

00:53:32.180 when he got back to the apartment on the 11th what Lance Twiggs who said that

00:53:37.560 was his name he said that he was nervous tyler robinson he was walking around the apartment he

00:53:43.040 started to cry he said he didn't know why he did this and he said he wished he hadn't done this

00:53:48.500 but this is very there was no cross-examination of you can't record you can't cross-examine a

00:53:54.500 recorded statement but there was a witness on the stand too the defense didn't touch it

00:53:59.200 and this is very challenging because this is someone who is very close to tyler robinson who

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Bannon's War Room - July 10, 2026

Episode 5507： Final Day Of Charlie Kirk Assassination Hearing

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