Bannon's War Room - Episode 5508： Assassination Plots Against President Trump And War With Iran Continues

00:00:00.000 Trump is pushing the restart button when it comes to talks with Iran.

00:00:03.800 He writes on social media that Iran asked to continue talks and that the U.S. has agreed to do so,

00:00:09.280 but then also said that Washington has informed Tehran that the ceasefire is over.

00:00:14.380 A diplomat tells CNN that Qatari negotiators are in Iran pushing to de-escalate the situation.

00:00:19.600 A top U.S. official says the U.S. is deliberately striking and then pausing to allow gaps for diplomacy to restart.

00:00:26.500 All this unfolding, as sources tell CNN that Israel learned of an Iranian plot to kill the president.

00:00:31.920 Trump posted, or rather told the New York Post today,

00:00:34.520 that he's left instructions for the U.S. to respond with overwhelming military force if Tehran were to succeed.

00:00:41.360 Well, right now it seems like a lot of back-channeling is what's going on.

00:00:44.240 Qatari negotiators have gone over to Iran.

00:00:46.840 This is a trip that they coordinated with the United States,

00:00:49.300 and they are meeting with Iranian officials to try and get things back on track.

00:00:53.300 They want to de-escalate the situation and really set the table for bringing back those U.S.-Iran negotiations.

00:01:00.120 On top of that, we have a new statement from the Pakistani prime minister saying that he talked to the Iranian president today.

00:01:06.780 He's stressing all sides de-escalate currently.

00:01:10.100 But it does sound like there are a lot of different forces working here trying to reopen those channels of communication.

00:01:16.300 And President Trump, of course, as you showed earlier, posted on TrueSocial that while these talks are ongoing only because Tehran asked, he says, he says that in no uncertain terms, he's stated to them that the ceasefire is over.

00:01:31.280 Well, this does open the door to a number of questions, because one of the things you have to keep in mind here is that there are certain terms of the ceasefire that both sides were abiding by.

00:01:39.080 For example, one of them was that Iran was meant to try and assist ships, or at least not actively attack them, commercial vessels that were going through the Strait of Hormuz.

00:01:49.100 If the ceasefire is over, does that mean we're going to see more attacks on ships?

00:01:53.200 Obviously, the U.S., in return, was going to remove the naval blockade and lift sanctions.

00:01:59.580 We've seen them already reimpose sanctions, and then again, just moments ago, they imposed another round of sanctions,

00:02:05.520 this time on what they called a financial facilitator who controls global assets for

00:02:11.920 the leader of Iran. So we, the United States, seem to no longer be abiding by the rules of

00:02:18.500 the ceasefire. But what does that mean for the actual danger in the Strait of Hormuz? That is

00:02:23.140 something we haven't gotten to the bottom of yet. And Kristen, in light of all of this,

00:02:27.060 we're also learning about new fortifications being added to the White House. What are you seeing?

00:02:31.620 Yeah, what I'm seeing is directly behind me, it might look like this is the White House,

00:02:36.480 but it's actually a giant tarp that is hanging down, which I know we've reported on,

00:02:41.500 that is a direct replica of what the White House looks like.

00:02:45.980 They actually did quite a good job, I mean, unless you're looking closely.

00:02:49.040 And this is blocking off what they're doing behind it, which is restoring columns,

00:02:52.440 but also fortifying the main entrance, adding an extra level of security.

00:02:56.920 So we talked to sources who said, yes, most of President Trump's projects at the White House are done because he likes the aesthetics.

00:03:03.700 This one is also being done because they need more security.

00:03:07.280 Of course, as you noted, this comes on this off of the reporting that we have that Israeli intelligence alerted President Trump to a fresh Iranian assassination plot.

00:03:17.740 We obviously saw him changing planes and taking extra precautions around this information.

00:03:22.600 The desire to change the birthright citizenship rule within our Constitution is gaining traction among some voters that Donald Trump might have changed people's minds on it.

00:03:35.040 He did try to demand that Congress do something about it. That would be a heavy lift as well.

00:03:40.520 But you see this going anywhere in Congress with Republicans?

00:03:43.240 Yeah, I mean, look, it's not a short term prospect, but as you pointed out over time, the unthinkable can definitely become thinkable because we're having this conversation in the second term of Donald Trump's presidency.

00:03:56.300 Right. And, you know, look at how long it took for Republicans to achieve the goal of a Supreme Court that would roll back Roe versus Wade.

00:04:05.980 It took, you know, decades of organizing and influencing the Supreme Court.

00:04:09.320 Now, they're starting out far ahead. I must say, Katie, on this one, the ruling was much more was much closer than people expected it to be in birthright citizenship.

00:04:19.700 Right. I think that up until the last few years and the already Trump transformation of the Supreme Court, we might have expected a 9-0 ruling or, you know, 8-1 ruling, 8-2 or 7-2 ruling, something very overwhelming.

00:04:34.780 That's not what happened here. So, you know, in some sense, people like Trump and those in his administration who support this, they're only one Supreme Court vote away from changing the outcome of birthright citizenship.

00:04:49.540 So I think you're right to point out it's not necessarily going away in a longer term sense, although for right now, the Supreme Court is obviously not going to revisit a ruling that it has just spent so much time and effort to issue in this term.

00:05:02.840 that's not going to happen in the short term. How problematic is it going to be if Donald Trump

00:05:06.700 decides to tap people like the figures who he has already tapped, 2020 election deniers, people like

00:05:13.540 Kurt Olson, again, one original 2020 election denier, who has now taken on the imprimatur of

00:05:22.600 the state in an official capacity at the Justice Department? What does that mean for our elections

00:05:29.880 and the way the EAC works with states going forward.

00:05:34.500 Well, you're right that this brazen move is part of a concerted campaign by the administration

00:05:39.940 to undermine the elections. And it's worth remembering just how extraordinary that is.

00:05:44.840 That has not ever happened before in American history, that the federal government would act

00:05:50.060 this way toward the states and toward elections. The EAC, as Secretary Fontes says, doesn't have

00:05:56.740 that much power to do things without any commissioners um and uh it will not be able

00:06:02.780 to do much and while it is theoretically possible that he could nominate two republicans and two

00:06:09.040 democrats would be where he would find them uh and the senate would then need to act it's pretty

00:06:15.620 unlikely that those seats will be filled by election day the one thing to remember and it's

00:06:20.380 an encouraging thing he is flailing at this point he has this strategy and each move that he has

00:06:27.500 made has been blocked in large measure by people voters citizens states going to court and other

00:06:35.040 things the steps he has tried to take up until now with the eac he had an executive order last

00:06:41.460 year purporting order the eac to do all this stuff that has been blocked nationwide by the federal

00:06:47.140 courts. So he is right now 0 and 11 when it comes to court rulings and the election is getting

00:06:53.000 closer. And I do think that if we all do what we need to do, we can have free and fair elections

00:06:57.840 this year. The key thing is that voters need to make a plan to vote and vote early if they can

00:07:03.820 and and not get scared off by all this noise and nonsense. Despite having all levers of power at

00:07:10.580 his disposal right now and finding nothing, no vast conspiracy theory, not winning anything in

00:07:16.640 the courts. There is this news this week from the Arizona Mirror, a DOJ letter threatening

00:07:21.720 Arizona election officials with prosecution. As Fontes calls it intimidation. I'll read a quick

00:07:26.440 excerpt. The U.S. Department of Justice on Tuesday sent a letter to the Arizona Secretary of State's

00:07:31.260 office threatening to prosecute election officials who knowingly count the ballots of non-citizens

00:07:36.400 or keep them on voter rolls. A near-identical letter was sent to more than a dozen other states

00:07:41.860 on Tuesday, ranging from Democrat-led Michigan to deep-bred states like Georgia and Tennessee.

00:07:48.420 Secretary, I'm wondering how you received this message, whether you think it is sort of implicitly

00:07:55.600 a sign that the administration recognizes that they're not going to be able to fulfill this 2020

00:08:02.020 conspiracy theory and are instead pivoting to these one-off prosecutions and trying to make

00:08:10.640 sort of as many individual arrests as possible, get some scalps, show them to the boss and

00:08:16.720 potentially hang on to their jobs and their positions of power? Or do you think that this

00:08:22.600 is strictly an intimidation mechanism? There's nothing implicit about this was an explicit

00:08:30.220 threat to elections officials across the United States of America. But here's the other thing

00:08:34.820 about it. And I heard the word desperate come up a couple of times. Here's how desperate these

00:08:39.700 attempts to stop us from doing our jobs on behalf of voters are. That same letter was sent to North

00:08:44.580 Dakota and North Carolina, a Republican and a Democratic secretary of state. They don't have

00:08:49.720 anything to do with elections at all whatsoever. They don't do voter registration. They don't do

00:08:54.300 ballots, nothing. And so what we have here is this flailing administration really pulling out all

00:09:03.300 the stops here. And, you know, it's comical and really kind of laughable because in it,

00:09:10.600 they basically said, even you as the chief election officer might be subject to criminal

00:09:15.360 prosecution. Guess what, guys? The statutes that you mentioned in your letter don't apply to me

00:09:20.460 because I don't do voter registration. The counties in Arizona do. And I sent them a letter

00:09:26.440 when they first wanted my voter rolls and explained to them exactly how voter registration works. I

00:09:31.900 pointed to the elections procedures manual in Arizona, gave them everything they would have

00:09:35.940 needed to become familiar with how Arizona's elections work. This is a desperate attempt by

00:09:41.260 the Department of Justice. And we've got a really dangerous pattern building here.

00:09:46.880 The slaughter decision was about the FTC. This decision is about the EAC, the firing of

00:09:52.280 independent parts of our government. Take a step back and look at all of the other independent

00:09:58.340 agencies that we have that impact business, education, the law, medicine, technology,

00:10:05.720 all of the other sectors of our society. This is really bad for business. If you're investing in

00:10:11.960 America, do you want to invest in this uncertainty? Do you want to invest in not knowing exactly who's

00:10:18.060 going to be doing what and the potential upheaval every single time we get a new executive? This is

00:10:25.120 just bad governance when you look at the bigger picture and and i don't think that this is uh

00:10:31.500 what's going to make our next 250 years as amazing as the last 250 have been i think this hurts us

00:10:39.700 as a a nation that can govern itself well and be the stable guiding force that the world needs

00:10:46.580 right now and so we are being weakened by this administration certainly in where our elections

00:10:53.200 are concerned, as you ever were talking.

00:11:05.940 We just had a little systems crash here at the end,

00:11:08.720 but that's Adrian.

00:11:11.040 That's Adrian Fontes out there in Arizona,

00:11:13.980 a cartel lawyer, a cartel lawyer lecturing President Trump

00:11:20.000 on what is good for business.

00:11:21.860 Look at these guys. 0.97

00:11:23.200 Marx is jihadist, and Fontes is one of the best as being a crook, right? 0.90

00:11:29.200 A cartel lawyer, renowned cartel lawyer.

00:11:32.400 And because the cartel's got huge influence in Arizona

00:11:35.080 with the money they launder through there and the real estate they buy.

00:11:39.360 And Fontes is going to argue about the free and fair elections in Maricopa County.

00:11:43.820 And then he's going to tell you, no, it's bad for business.

00:11:45.380 Really, this is, you know, Trump.

00:11:46.700 Who's going to invest in the United States

00:11:48.160 when you have a guy like President Trump trying to get to the bottom

00:11:51.400 of the stolen elections of 2020 and beyond, Adrian.

00:11:56.980 Beautiful.

00:11:57.900 Friday, 10 July, Year of Our Lord, 2026. 0.51

00:12:01.740 Okay, so we're back up and at it in Persia.

00:12:06.740 I don't understand why they said

00:12:08.520 we're putting additional sanctions.

00:12:09.940 How about this?

00:12:10.840 How about this?

00:12:11.940 Scott, Treasury, everybody, all sanctions right now.

00:12:17.520 You shouldn't have a thing where,

00:12:19.000 hey, they even put an additional sanction on some guy

00:12:21.260 that's money laundering for them all sanctions all the time right now until and don't let the

00:12:27.520 don't let the europeans off the hook don't let them slip around don't let france and

00:12:32.560 italy and the uk these slippery folks because they're very slippery our allies very slippery 0.79

00:12:38.920 to get around start trading with the persians shut it all down don't put our kids in harm's 0.92

00:12:45.320 way i think we got to carry a battle group that's up in the gulf of oman now even even

00:12:50.200 closer to the action than the North Arabian Sea. Don't put our kids in harm's way. Shut

00:12:57.620 them down. Let's starve them out. No cash, no food, nothing comes in, nothing comes out. You 1.00

00:13:05.520 got two carrier battle groups out there. No ship can get to the Gulf of Oman. No ship can get to

00:13:11.720 the Strait of Hormuz unless the United States Navy deems it so. They were taking ships out,

00:13:18.560 100 ships with the oil and letting them sell the oil? None of that. Stop it. No. Economic warfare.

00:13:26.660 No cash, no food, no trade, no oil, no CCP money, and destroy their currency. Let's see how tough

00:13:35.740 these guys are. Let's see how tough they are. Scott Bess was out today saying, hey, the Ayatollah,

00:13:42.120 the new Ayatollah, his regime's crashing. Well, let's crash it harder. Let's crash it quicker.

00:13:48.560 No need to bomb anything else.

00:13:50.540 No need to put any more servicemen in harm's way.

00:13:52.780 Crash the economy. 1.00

00:13:55.040 The Persian people, when they start starving, they get hangry, 1.00

00:13:57.900 they'll take to the streets and overthrow it themselves. 1.00

00:13:59.900 Let them deal with it.

00:14:01.580 They brought it in here.

00:14:02.760 Hey, let's be blunt.

00:14:05.100 But 47 years ago, they threw us out. 0.99

00:14:08.280 They threw us out with the Shah and everything in the West. 1.00

00:14:10.440 We had nothing to do with it. 0.99

00:14:11.440 They wanted an Islamic regime. 0.92

00:14:12.960 Well, baby, they got an Islamic regime. 0.98

00:14:15.040 You deal with it. 1.00

00:14:15.900 It's your problem.

00:14:16.680 You brought it on yourself.

00:14:18.340 You've been saying death of America? Fine.

00:14:20.120 Dance in the streets, say it all you want.

00:14:22.040 But you're not going to get any food.

00:14:23.620 You're not going to have any cash. 0.98

00:14:25.460 See what the mullahs are doing for you then.

00:14:27.360 See what the ayatollahs are doing for you then. 0.78

00:14:29.680 See how Islam is taking care of you. 0.95

00:14:32.400 You feeling good? You like it? 0.95

00:14:33.960 You like living in poverty?

00:14:36.880 Starve them out.

00:14:38.920 If we're at war, let's go to war.

00:14:40.640 Economic warfare.

00:14:42.440 Get all the sanctions.

00:14:43.760 Until anybody slips around it, we're going to put a sanction on you.

00:14:46.440 No oil for the CCP, no cash for the moolahs on a Friday afternoon in the war room.

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00:16:47.660 The engine rooms have been saying, hey, the Persian people, they're so tough. 1.00

00:16:51.680 They'll eat grass.

00:16:52.420 This is what Mao said about the Chinese. 1.00

00:16:55.280 And a lot of that's true. 1.00

00:16:56.500 These people have been through a lot.

00:16:58.600 But how about this?

00:17:00.600 Let's take a time out of a 5D chest.

00:17:02.560 No more 5D.

00:17:03.240 Let's put a band on a 5D chest. 1.00

00:17:04.960 Let's just shut the freaking thing down. 0.98

00:17:07.580 Let's be simple. 0.99

00:17:09.220 Nothing comes in.

00:17:10.400 nothing goes out they don't monetize anything they don't get anything they don't get any food

00:17:14.400 they get no cash to buy food those assets and scott said today he's going to protect the assets

00:17:19.320 for the iranian people hang on for a second scott i understand that the assets throughout the world

00:17:24.160 not going to let the mullahs get to but i don't know i think the american system uh american

00:17:30.160 citizens have a claim on it first you got peed up there with 88 billion dollars got to pay for this

00:17:36.340 What we're going to do is print more money and put the United States citizens in more

00:17:40.100 thing.

00:17:40.320 How about this, Scott?

00:17:41.460 Let's just have a preference.

00:17:43.540 You do this.

00:17:44.500 You're a great deal, Guy.

00:17:45.320 Let's have a preference.

00:17:46.680 We take the first, I don't know, 50.

00:17:48.960 We get the first 50 billion, and then we'll hold it. 0.82

00:17:52.660 We'll hold it for the time that they overthrow the steocratic regime.

00:17:57.000 And maybe you invest it for them. 0.95

00:17:58.580 Maybe you put it in T-bills.

00:18:01.320 Government securities.

00:18:03.620 Help you refinance this massive debt we got.

00:18:06.340 88, they got the third, the second or third reconciliation, I forget it, I lose count,

00:18:12.400 it's $350 billion. We've already run in the first nine minutes, first nine months,

00:18:19.700 I'll get to this tomorrow. The first nine months, $1.4 trillion deficit. Who said that? Oh gosh,

00:18:26.320 I think War Room said that. Back when we first did the CR last year, they kicked the can down

00:18:32.060 the road. We're $1.4 trillion and we're going to be $2 trillion come September 30th. Who's paying

00:18:38.240 for that in the higher interest rates? Citizens of these United States. So how about this? They

00:18:45.760 have $100 billion throughout the world. And listen, yes, they've worked hard. It's kind of

00:18:49.520 their money. Tough break. We got two barrier battle groups and kids from all over the country,

00:18:56.060 young men and women in those battle groups. One of them is 200 days to see. Come on, man.

00:19:00.580 the top 50 is ours i don't care if they starve i want them to starve you know why when they start 0.99

00:19:06.460 starving all of a sudden the ayatollah and the mullahs and all this crap they put out you know 0.99

00:19:12.480 islam's so great hey see if islam's so great when your belly's empty if we're going to be at war 0.99

00:19:18.740 let's go to war let's stop dragging it out and we don't have to bomb them back to the stone age 1.00

00:19:24.740 starve them cut off all access and tell anybody in the world is going to double deal us and cut

00:19:30.360 around and try to trade with them you're going to get the same treatment Scott Besson today talk to

00:19:35.740 the president and take down their currency the same thing you did in January let's get them out

00:19:40.260 in the streets the Persian people are usually trying to have a middle class 92 million folks 0.86

00:19:47.140 dude this is a big big country it's like the surface of the moon it's huge it's massive okay 0.58

00:19:54.000 massive been around a long time taking on you know all coming fighting for Greece forever Rome

00:20:00.300 forever stared down the british now it's the american they threw us out look i understand

00:20:08.360 it's horrible what they're going through but no offense their parents and their grandparents and 0.66

00:20:12.420 some of them threw us out 47 years you had it you had a shot the shah was trying to bring you into

00:20:17.600 the west you didn't like it you didn't want it okay i got that i understand it you haven't didn't 0.69

00:20:23.140 want it with greece you didn't want it with rome i i got it i got it get your own deal but you're 0.99

00:20:28.520 going to suck on your own deal. Embrace your own deal. Embrace the suck. Let's bring them to their 0.98

00:20:36.580 knees economically. Bring them to their knees economically, and let's hear all the tough talk.

00:20:43.480 I'll get to you in a second. Turns out the Wall Street Journal's got the whole thing about the

00:20:47.660 plane and doubling the plane because Israeli intelligence got Pompeo out there. It's so

00:20:51.800 amazing. The exquisite intelligence about they're trying to assassinate the president.

00:20:57.300 And, of course, in the Wall Street Journal article, they said the intelligence was not deemed by many, by most, to be credible and looked at, and I think I'm quoting, looked at as another effort to continue the United States as a combatant.

00:21:12.600 When are we going to wise up?

00:21:15.680 It's an opportunity cost, a massive opportunity cost.

00:21:20.520 And it's inextricably linked to our next story.

00:21:25.200 and that is this um situation in provost utah wendy patrick's with in fact here's what i'd like

00:21:31.960 to do in the chats i'm gonna try to do something totally different we got all these different

00:21:35.820 chats you got getter you got you got the rumble crowd it's not happy area yet rumble hang off

00:21:41.380 back off there um i want all the different chats if you're so inclined after wendy finishes i want

00:21:49.040 you to pitch in and give us your opinion grace and moan elizabeth and the team will monitor this

00:21:54.420 And maybe we read some tomorrow.

00:21:55.800 How about that?

00:21:56.280 I want your opinion of what should happen here.

00:21:57.880 So, Wendy, what is the basic choice?

00:22:00.840 We did gavel-to-gavel coverage because we owe that to Charlie.

00:22:04.760 Charlie was a colleague here.

00:22:06.160 He was, you know, had a show at 12 noon, which they still have.

00:22:09.360 We still pitched to him.

00:22:10.820 And we felt, Rob and Parker Sig, myself and others here at the channel,

00:22:16.240 felt that we needed to do gavel-to-gavel.

00:22:18.240 We could not break in our coverage to watch the entire thing.

00:22:21.200 So the audience could see.

00:22:22.640 and for those so inclined

00:22:24.180 that want to stick through the whole thing

00:22:25.300 that they can see all of it.

00:22:27.260 What is your assessment of where we are today?

00:22:29.480 And what is actually,

00:22:30.760 if this was kind of close to a grand jury

00:22:32.940 as you can get, right?

00:22:33.980 I know it's different, it's a total different.

00:22:35.960 What is the audience voting for?

00:22:38.200 If they were grand jury members,

00:22:39.780 what should be their either affirmation,

00:22:42.140 either say, yes, I think it should go to trial

00:22:44.000 or no, I don't think there's enough evidence

00:22:45.980 and we just ought to,

00:22:47.260 we ought to tell the police,

00:22:48.420 go look for somebody else, ma'am?

00:22:49.980 no i there's an as as the prosecutor said i'm going to quote his words there is an overwhelming

00:22:56.420 amount of evidence it is devastating that's what the prosecutor said in court today why did he say

00:23:01.640 that because despite the bar being so low just probable cause they spent five days introducing

00:23:08.340 every kind of evidence you can imagine from ballistics to forensics to dna to finally hang

00:23:14.660 Hang on. Hang on one second. On Wall Street, we call that talking your book. He's supposed to say

00:23:21.440 that. His whole career, if he doesn't get past this wicked, career over, right? So he's going

00:23:27.980 to tell me that it's overwhelming evidence. And Wall Street is called talking your book. Isn't

00:23:32.280 he just talking his book, ma'am? No, he's talking about the last five days, because that's the

00:23:38.120 difference. Prosecutors can't just get into court and argue. Neither can defense attorneys. They

00:23:42.320 have to have evidence. They have to solidify everything they claim to have done by being

00:23:47.480 able to cite to evidence. And Steve, that's what they did this week. I do expect it to be a bind

00:23:52.340 over. But one thing that I think is going to be interesting is now that we know the judge set a

00:23:57.780 briefing schedule and a September 1st date to actually make that decision, what we're going

00:24:02.760 to see in that briefing and what we're going to hear in oral argument on September 1st is going

00:24:07.460 to be both sides arguing what they think about what came out at prelim. And that's where I think

00:24:12.400 the defense is going to have to show their hand a little bit more. They're going to have to

00:24:16.900 articulate where they feel the evidence is lacking. That's a preview for the trial. The

00:24:22.400 trial is going to be markedly different in every way from the prelim. I mean, think about it. Lance

00:24:27.860 Twiggs is going to have to be on the stand. Hang on a second. Explain to people what do you mean by

00:24:34.740 that. They just sat through five days. And I think most people that are new to this

00:24:38.580 thought it was pretty, you know, you got into a lot of detail. And in fact, you kind of argue

00:24:43.320 back and forth. So how is a trial going to be technically different than what the audience

00:24:48.640 just sat through? What the audience just sat through is just a teaser of the type of evidence

00:24:55.460 that's going to be admitted at trial. Each one of those areas that they heard during the last five

00:25:00.240 days, the bullets, the gun, the scene, the video footage, the testimony from the lover roommate,

00:25:07.240 all of that is going to be expanded into a much larger trial. It's going to be a battle of the

00:25:12.200 experts, no doubt, with each and every piece of forensic evidence. You heard a little bit of that

00:25:17.700 today when it came to the ballistics. You're going to hear it with respect to the DNA.

00:25:22.520 You're going to hear the identification issues. How do you see who's on the video? How do you

00:25:27.480 connect all the dots, linking it to Tyler Robinson. And one of the most significant ways

00:25:32.940 where it will be different is you're not going to be able to use hearsay. So as I was saying,

00:25:37.520 you're actually, think about this, Steve, you're actually going to have the roommate, Lance Twiggs,

00:25:43.180 in person, on the witness stand, subject to cross-examination, not just the softball questions

00:25:49.220 you saw in the Zoom interview, but subject to full cross-examination, as with everybody else.

00:25:55.020 So that's one of the ways it's going to be different, not to even mention the way in which we're going to have to deal with a jury pool, given the fact that there will probably be cameras in the courtroom yet again.

00:26:07.280 Is, um, is Twiggs, is Lance Twiggs, does he have immunity to, to testify here?

00:26:14.740 I mean, does he have any threat at all of prosecution, either as a co-conspirator or as an accomplice, ma'am?

00:26:20.760 Only if he perjures himself. That's probably why you saw that stiff and stilted interview of him in a suit being just so measured. So he has use immunity, meaning he will have immunity from prosecution based on what he says when he's on the stand, but only if he tells the truth.

00:26:39.400 And that is tough. That's one of the reasons he has to be so careful in answering those questions.

00:26:45.560 But remember what he does. He ties together a lot of other pieces of evidence.

00:26:50.940 So the defense is going to have an opportunity to test every bit of the evidence you saw at prelim in a much more formalistic and extended manner than they did this week.

00:27:01.780 The judge kept reminding both sides it's a probable cause hearing, but he won't be reminding them of that at trial because that burden is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:27:11.520 Can you hang on for one second? I want to continue this conversation. Obviously, it was very controversial this week for many parties, so I want to make sure we drill down on this.

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00:27:23.800 and what the judge really has to make a decision

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00:27:28.240 Was anything missed?

00:27:29.200 Was any foundational element not laid out?

00:27:31.340 And your thoughts about trial or plea bargain,

00:27:35.280 anything like that.

00:27:35.840 Just hang on right there, Winnie.

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00:30:07.120 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:30:11.820 I hate to ask you to speculate, but I'm going to ask you to speculate.

00:30:17.540 Given what you've seen in this preliminary, and you said at the beginning this was overwhelming,

00:30:23.380 do you believe the defense will sit there and go,

00:30:26.140 if we got the furry lover that's going to serve this guy up and he's got immunity,

00:30:30.740 maybe we just try to cut a deal and save this kid's life?

00:30:33.080 Or do you think they're going to think, hey, particularly in Salt Lake or in Utah,

00:30:41.800 which is not the Utah I think that most people think it is because it's some wild hombres out there.

00:30:46.640 When we were out there, we were kind of shocked.

00:30:48.880 Do you think they'll think, hey, we can get one or two jurors.

00:30:51.000 All he needs is one, and we can get one or two jurors.

00:30:53.580 So do you think they're going to think to try to cop a plea to get him off the firing squad

00:30:57.840 and into life that maybe he gets some parole later?

00:31:00.500 Or do they take the bet, given what you've seen and what you see these strategic moves, that they feel they can get one person to go along with them, at least for a mistrial, ma'am?

00:31:14.900 I think they think it's a safer bet to try to save his life.

00:31:18.300 So that would be probably what they're going to be aiming for.

00:31:21.980 But here's the thing, Steve.

00:31:22.980 The prosecution may not have any incentive to think about a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table.

00:31:29.040 Now, we also know that because of the prosecutor's, his sentiment about his own case. You know, the jury says prove it. But he may be thinking, I've shown so much at prelim, maybe the defense is going to recognize I have no incentive to offer that.

00:31:42.220 Because the Kirk family is so, is very much on board with bringing justice for Charlie. So I can't imagine they would be interested in any kind of a plea deal. And that decision is one of the most collaborative decisions that any prosecutor makes as to whether or not to offer any kind of deal, especially in a cap of work.

00:32:01.580 Just for our audience, they would bring in the widow, they would bring in Erica, they would bring in the family, they would talk to her before they offered some deal to see if she was comfortable with that, or at least not opposed to it.

00:32:16.300 Absolutely. You know, prosecution today, and especially in a case like this, will involve the victim and the victim's family.

00:32:23.020 remember that's but she said at the funeral she said the celebration of life that she forgave him

00:32:29.080 would forgiving we're forgiving him take death penalty i mean i don't know how to interpret it

00:32:34.440 but when she she said there i forgive my kill you know my husband's killer and it kind of shocked

00:32:40.720 most people but it seemed like they had some support in that vast audience and it was like

00:32:45.180 40 or 50 60 000 people another 40 spread at other venues i think it was 100 000 people alive

00:32:51.080 she said she i believe she said the time i forgive the killer would that uh would that deem would

00:32:59.320 that deem would that be harder i mean would that mean that she would be opposed to the death penalty

00:33:03.660 if the prosecutor came to her no she also said she wanted full justice for charlie and was

00:33:08.900 cooperating to the full extent of the law and you know she's very gracious and she's christian just

00:33:14.080 like the rest of us that understand the value of forgiveness but there's also consequences for

00:33:19.080 these actions. And that is one of the reasons, if what we believe of all of the rest of her

00:33:24.280 statements, that she's completely cooperating with the prosecution. And there doesn't seem

00:33:28.800 to be any incentive. You know, occasionally you'll have a case, Steve, where it would be

00:33:32.560 overly traumatizing for certain types of witnesses to take the stand. We see that a lot in cases

00:33:37.840 involving domestic violence, child abuse. This is not one of those cases where there would be

00:33:43.340 that incentive. If anything, her presence every day at the prelim shows that she has that interest

00:33:48.900 in seeing this through for full justice for Charlie.

00:33:52.360 The defense has to recognize that as well,

00:33:54.660 which is why that September 1st date

00:33:56.760 will not only be important

00:33:58.120 because we'll get to hear the arguments on both sides,

00:34:00.600 but we hope they set a trial date

00:34:02.820 so we'll finally be able to see some justice for Charlie

00:34:05.520 and the Kirk family will have a date certain.

00:34:07.920 Hopefully that'll begin.

00:34:10.680 Do you see, one more time,

00:34:12.500 you've been great about these chest moves five in advance.

00:34:15.400 Do you see anything on either side,

00:34:17.240 prosecution of defense that you're sitting there thinking that they're thinking we might have blown

00:34:21.860 that any foundational element on either side do you think they didn't that that either the parties

00:34:28.580 did not pull off appropriately or adequately i guess i should say i don't but but i like your

00:34:34.240 question because it did give me some idea as to one of the biggest questions some of the biggest

00:34:39.040 questions in the trial and one of them is will the defendant testify you know there are lots of

00:34:43.860 cases where defendants have terrible criminal records, there was no way they would live through

00:34:48.320 that on the stand. This isn't one of those cases. So that has to be one of the biggest questions

00:34:53.240 the defense is asking. On the prosecution side, they're probably trying to figure out

00:34:57.860 what additional experts should they get? Should they, because they know a little bit about what

00:35:02.960 the defense is going to say to poke holes in all the types of the evidence. And then on the defense

00:35:07.800 side, the second question is, is there any kind of mental issues that won't be defenses to the case,

00:35:12.860 but could potentially be a mitigant in terms of what they're going to argue

00:35:17.280 that he shouldn't get the death penalty, because a jury's going to be deciding that as well.

00:35:24.000 What is the standard for the, you know, besides finding him guilty and giving him life without

00:35:29.120 parole in prison in Utah, what would be the standard for the jury to say,

00:35:33.560 you're going to, you've got to face the firing squad?

00:35:37.220 Reasonable doubt is the standard at both the guilt phase and the penalty phase.

00:35:41.300 The penalty phase is more about weighing aggravants and mitigants.

00:35:45.460 And, Steve, that includes all aspects of the case, everything from the defendant's behavior when he was arrested to the way in which he cased the scene beforehand, the extent to which he went to try to get that rifle back, the statements he made, and everything else that will come out during the course of a trial.

00:36:02.020 Sometimes in a death phase, you get additional evidence, and that's going to be important for this jury.

00:36:07.140 And it's also interesting you said firing squad because I did a little research into how exactly would he be executed.

00:36:13.540 And apparently it's the default method right now in Utah.

00:36:18.400 I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I read it was lethal injection.

00:36:22.540 And only in cases where you don't have access to that, it'll be the firing squad.

00:36:26.480 I also saw a lot of people talking about why method might matter in a case this significant.

00:36:32.300 But the defense is going to pull out all the stops to make sure they do everything they can to investigate whether they could take that off the table before we get to trial.

00:36:42.240 In the next six weeks, these briefing papers are going to go back and forth.

00:36:46.460 What should the audience be looking for?

00:36:48.000 What are the key things that are going to be brief?

00:36:49.700 What's the judge looking for?

00:36:51.320 And then what decisions on September 1st he's going to hear some arguments, but what decisions does he have to make?

00:36:58.080 The decision he has to make is whether every charge and every allegation has been proven, not by even a preponderance, but whether there's probable cause.

00:37:07.960 But the fact that the defense asked to be able to do this lets me know that they have a variety of things they're going to argue in challenging the strength of the prosecution's evidence.

00:37:18.200 That's where I see it as a little bit of a tip-off as to what they're going to be looking at for trial, what they're going to argue.

00:37:24.740 I don't expect it's not going to be a bind over, but I do expect we're going to see a lot of their thought process and where they think the holes are in the case.

00:37:32.700 They weren't afraid to show their hand to that extent during the probable cause hearing.

00:37:37.580 The last two witnesses were basically grilled over whether or not their findings should be legitimate, should be reliable.

00:37:46.980 And so we're probably going to see a lot more of that when we get to September 1st.

00:37:51.700 Now, while we won't necessarily get to read everything beforehand, although I don't know whether they're going to be public or not, we'll get to hear the highlights and extended oral argument on September the 1st, followed, of course, by the judge's ruling.

00:38:04.560 OK, so put that in your calendar.

00:38:07.380 Obviously, Real America's Voice will have the first team out there and we will cover that in detail.

00:38:12.280 Just one note for the audience to think about.

00:38:15.260 If this goes to trial, it seems like it's going to go to trial.

00:38:18.140 If it goes to trial, whatever the date is, will people get, will the basic public get more access to the autopsy, to ballistics, to actual videos of the assassination itself?

00:38:32.640 Or was this limited in what people were able to see?

00:38:35.320 Will they have much more access to information at the trial?

00:38:40.900 Yes, this was limited in what the public is allowed to see.

00:38:44.300 Part of the reason for that, Steve, is the judge and no side wants this to happen.

00:38:49.100 Nobody wants to see so much evidence out there right now that it taints the ability for the defendant to get a fair trial.

00:38:55.160 It compromises the integrity of a conviction.

00:38:58.160 So when we get to trial and those jurors are impaneled, then they'll be able to consider far more evidence and far more extensive evidence on everything, including the autopsy, the ballistic evidence, the video footage, the fatal shots.

00:39:13.420 I mean, all of that is going to come in at trial because you don't have the same consideration of tainting a potential jury pool.

00:39:20.120 That is the jury pool.

00:39:21.620 So the answer is yes, in every aspect of the case.

00:39:24.760 Of course, there's people that, you know, let's be blunt, are just not buying this direction.

00:39:30.720 Whatever their motivations are, whatever, they're just not.

00:39:33.800 In the trial, given what they've set up today in this preliminary, will the defense have the opportunity?

00:39:40.000 People are talking about microphones, other things that might have shot and killed Charlie.

00:39:45.020 Will they have the option and range to start to bring that up or the judges shut it down since it was they didn't take it on here in the preliminary?

00:39:53.100 Are all those options to discuss various other things and other people that could have done this?

00:39:59.820 Is that open for the defense or would the judges say, no, I'm ruling that out.

00:40:04.180 You just got to stick to what was presented.

00:40:05.720 A judge is likely to rule that out unless the defense is able to introduce some credible, relevant, admissible evidence that any of those theories hold water.

00:40:17.140 And you saw how hard it was to get even a single piece of evidence in at the probable cause hearing.

00:40:22.380 Think about how much more difficult that's going to be when you're in a proceeding where the burden of proof is proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:40:28.980 And they're not going to get jury instructions that are going to support any theory of the defense that there's no evidence to support.

00:40:35.080 So I always tell everyone, please just watch the court proceedings and you'll get more of an idea as to what you do have that's admissible.

00:40:44.300 Would the defense have to present that here?

00:40:47.620 Should they have done that on Tuesday or whatever, if they have all these different theories out there of the microphone and other other options?

00:40:55.820 I don't even know what they are, but they're voluminous.

00:40:59.680 Was that the time to do it, to try to get it in then and have the judge rule on it?

00:41:04.100 And if you miss that, then when you go to trial, he's going to say, hey, look, you had a shot, but you didn't do it.

00:41:08.760 Where do we stand with that miscibility and making foundational arguments about that?

00:41:13.800 No, the defense has no burden at either hearing.

00:41:17.460 They had no obligation to present any sort of alternative theories at a probable cause hearing.

00:41:22.320 And they have no obligation to present a defense at trial.

00:41:25.000 And oftentimes they don't. This won't be one of those cases.

00:41:27.260 They will have a robust defense at trial.

00:41:29.740 But there's no obligation.

00:41:31.320 There's no sense of losing an opportunity to present a defense simply because it didn't come up.

00:41:36.300 But what I'm saying, I'm just I'm focused on the microphone because over the last couple of days, that's that's gotten, you know, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it's gotten traction buzz in certain communities.

00:41:47.220 will they have the opportunity at trial to start to put forward that, hey, there were other people

00:41:55.420 here that had the incentive, there are other people here that had the access, there's other

00:41:59.440 people that were closer, there's other people and they can show their ballistics, but they can

00:42:02.860 take the microphone theory and run with it? Or is that automatically shut down?

00:42:08.260 I wouldn't say anything is automatically shut down if there's evidence to support it.

00:42:13.400 It will be the subject of no doubt motions in liminy because there's no sandbagging at trial.

00:42:20.120 Both sides will be briefing very thoroughly what they will and won't want to introduce.

00:42:24.900 And even the scope of the questions during cross-examination, because Steve, it could come up there as well.

00:42:29.720 In other words, sometimes if they had enough to go on a good faith basis, these things exist.

00:42:34.640 They may be able to ask and cross.

00:42:36.920 But what they're not allowed to do is ask questions in bad faith.

00:42:40.140 So all these issues, all these theories, they'll probably be looking to see if there's any evidence, anything to support those theories.

00:42:47.520 And if they find that evidence, they can ask for that to be admissible in trial.

00:42:51.420 And we would hear something to that effect.

00:42:53.620 They have probably about a year to look for it, and we'll know more about that as the months will rest.

00:42:59.460 Okay. Wendy, hang on. I'll hold you through one more break. I want to talk about your content.

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00:46:59.680 Tel Aviv Levin's bitching and moaning that the Marines aren't doing enough fighting

00:47:03.000 and they got to have troops and we're not combat troops.

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00:47:08.280 your thoughts about the war in Iran.

00:47:10.660 yeah i think we're doing more than anybody else we just bombed 90 targets in the last couple days

00:47:17.140 we're pounding the hell out of them and then before that we bombed them for what almost 0.84

00:47:21.920 eight weeks straight and how much money have we spent how much money the levin and israel spent 0.88

00:47:28.060 you can do the math on that the i think what's going to happen now is trump's trying to bomb

00:47:33.380 them into submission or bomb them back to the table to sign this mou and we will see how much

00:47:40.780 uh how much the mou the mou is doa we just got to move yeah i'm never gonna sign anything right

00:47:48.820 trita told us months ago they're never gonna sign anything it's the persians they're gonna negotiate

00:47:53.160 they're gonna negotiate about their rugs for years so you're not gonna get a sign right we're not

00:47:57.680 pulling the missouri into bandara boss to have a surrender ceremony let's just get beyond that and

00:48:02.880 get to the practical what do you think give me a minute on the practical before i go to

00:48:06.180 sell some coffee the practical is i think we're in it so far now we have to finish the job

00:48:13.380 i don't know if you can do it with air power alone might have to put troops on the ground

00:48:17.820 which i don't want to see but um i don't know how i'll just keep bombing them and bombing them

00:48:22.180 i'm not gonna i'd love you so much i'm not gonna ruin my weekend by even thinking about this what's

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00:49:24.060 So, Tej, before I let you go, are you really pitching me?

00:49:27.740 Are you pitching the war on posse on a Friday we just got through the Charlie Kirk murder trial?

00:49:32.700 You're pitching me on combat troops in Iran.

00:49:34.740 Is this what you're doing to me?

00:49:36.020 No, I say I don't want to see it.

00:49:36.500 You're doing just the trigger.

00:49:38.460 Okay, okay.

00:49:39.280 I don't want to see it, but I don't know how long we can bomb them until these people are so used to living in pain. 0.97

00:49:47.000 you know they've been on we've been since the early 80s since the islamic revolution we've 0.99

00:49:53.280 had sanctions on them you know that we've we've hurt them economically with trades everything so 1.00

00:49:58.640 they're tough people as we can see i mean we've bombed the crap out of them for since february

00:50:05.420 28th and they still haven't tapped out so i haven't tapped out i don't know what you do at

00:50:11.580 this point either keep bombing them or make a deal and get out i got a solution let's bring them to

00:50:16.940 their knees economically i mean full-on destroy the currency no food let's let's quarantine let's

00:50:23.220 put a naval quarantine there you can do that easily nobody comes over inland if they come

00:50:27.340 overland you hit them by the way if they ever start doing nuclear again just send over the

00:50:32.560 strategic air command boom just do that but the war's over we're gonna we're gonna get on for

00:50:37.820 rebuilding our economy tage i'll talk to you maybe get you back maybe get you back on tomorrow

00:50:42.680 your coffee's amazing best ever you got to drink it black tage made this coffee to drink black

00:50:48.980 mike lindell is it is it is it live or is it memorex okay mike lindell give me say something

00:50:56.660 i want to see if the audience is good enough to see if you're live or not talk to me well steve

00:51:00.320 i'm not going to be the next johnny cash but the procedure was a success so yeah everybody the

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00:53:19.820 you're playing the long game brother

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Bannon's War Room - July 10, 2026

Episode 5508： Assassination Plots Against President Trump And War With Iran Continues

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