Bannon's War Room - Episode 5521： China's Plan To Bomb US WarShips; China Cuts Off AI

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to

00:00:09.840 medieval on these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people

00:00:16.440 the people have had a belly full of it I know you don't like hearing that I know you try to

00:00:20.520 do everything the world to stop that but you're not gonna stop it it's going to happen and where

00:00:24.120 do people like that go to share the big line? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any

00:00:31.640 of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that

00:00:38.360 answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. 0.62

00:00:46.940 back. You're in the war room. It's Thursday, July 16th in the year of our Lord, 2026, the eve,

00:00:59.120 the pregame, I guess, or I guess the show right before what will be a very historic day. President

00:01:05.540 Trump hopefully delivering on the promise that we all elected him to do. I think the media gets

00:01:10.900 it wrong. They myopically think it's just about the 2020 election. It's some self-centered,

00:01:16.000 vindictive plot? No. As Steve always says, it's about exposing who really runs this country. And

00:01:22.140 I think those who administer, run, and allow our elections to be hacked, that probably answers

00:01:26.720 that question to a T. Honored to be joined by Captain James Fennell, which the audience probably 0.57

00:01:34.080 knows by now means we're going to get into all things the Chinese Communist Party, which I guess

00:01:38.240 is a very fitting topic ahead of likely, I guess, tonight's speech from President Trump.

00:01:43.660 But Captain Finnell, before we get into some new reporting from The Telegraph talking about how China has what they call replicas of U.S. warships and fighter jets, they're practicing striking them, quite concerning.

00:01:56.680 I'm curious to get your thoughts, putting the kinetic capabilities aside, you know, the legacy media acts like we're total buffoons for thinking that China has the cyber capabilities to interfere with elections, let alone the country at scale.

00:02:11.700 I'm just curious your assessment, not necessarily if something like that did happen, but just how wrong the media is when they come to their diagnosis of the cyber threat that the PRC poses to the United States.

00:02:24.820 well natalie it's it's good to be with you this is my first time with you so thanks for having me on

00:02:30.340 uh your question is very very important and i listened to the uh the previous hour

00:02:35.780 steve and his cold opens and and uh you know the the narrative that was put forth that you know

00:02:42.500 china you know doesn't have these capabilities and couldn't possibly do this or doesn't have

00:02:47.640 the intentions to do this and um you know they are pulsing things and taking surveys but you know 0.97

00:02:53.440 They didn't do anything. And that defies the last 35 years of observed activity from the Chinese Communist Party and their efforts to come after the United States across all levers of power, national power.

00:03:10.760 So I focus on the military domain and we'll talk about that. But they have also very much devoted a lot of attention to economic power, information power, and, you know, information warfare that they put out through their media. 0.81

00:03:28.600 But they also have invested themselves in our academics and in our government institutions and think tanks, and they've, you know, infused themselves into our thinking to tell us that they're not a threat and they just want to, you know, rise up above the poverty that they were at, you know, when Mao created the PRC. 0.83

00:03:50.500 But the reality is, is that China is using every facet of power that they can to disrupt America's security. They want to, by their own estimation, they want to displace the United States, and they want to become the world's superpower. 0.80

00:04:08.440 And they're on an objective to do that. And so the idea that they got involved with the elections and somehow our intelligence community said that, oh, there's nothing to worry about here, that fits the pattern that we've had from the IC on so many other things, where they've told us, don't worry about this military issue.

00:04:28.680 Don't worry about this economic issue. Don't worry about the yuan replacing the dollar. Don't worry about their navy. Don't worry about their air force. Don't worry about their diplomatic effort to isolate Taiwan.

00:04:40.860 It's always one way, the IC and the academics. It's always don't worry about China.

00:04:48.420 And Brad Thayer and I wrote a book about it, Embracing Communist China, America's Greatest

00:04:53.400 Strategic Failure. And we talk about this notion of threat deflation. And so the threat has been 0.83

00:05:00.460 deflated across many fronts, across many domains from the PRC. And I expect that tonight the

00:05:06.640 president's going to lay out another area where the intelligence community has deflated the threat

00:05:11.940 about the PRC. And we know that by what Steve played in the open with what MSNOW and their

00:05:18.700 analysts have said, that it's classic. And it's only becoming exposed to the mainstream of America

00:05:25.240 because they haven't really, you know, focused in on China analysis. But what those people said

00:05:31.120 is, I've heard this for 30 years. It's the same approach and the same explanation of, you know,

00:05:39.580 they're not capable or they wouldn't do that or they have their own problems and, oh, they want

00:05:44.940 to work with us. And there's factions in China that are reaching out to us. And so they will

00:05:50.180 use deception at every turn to get us to lower our guard. And we did in many ways. And I talk

00:05:56.600 about the naval issue. You know, when I joined the Navy in 1986 and was commissioned, we had 600,

00:06:01.840 almost 600 warships. Now we have 300. So in 40 years, less than 40 years, we cut the size of

00:06:08.600 U.S. Navy in half, well, China's Navy went from a brownwater coastal Navy force to the Navy that's

00:06:15.780 the largest Navy on the planet today. And we could examine air forces, strategic rocket forces,

00:06:21.720 space force, cyber, you name it, in the military domain, you could do the same thing in the

00:06:27.180 economic arena. They're using deception to make us lower our guard. And we've done that.

00:06:34.560 Yeah, I mean, to be frank, I think those MSNBC guests who are really all a part of that cohort of people who I think are responsible, frankly, for the kind of original sin of the globalist economic model, which is letting right China ascend to the WTAO, the Lao Beijing being the kind of slave labor that allows that system to perpetuate to this day.

00:06:55.020 But that they still show their face on TV, let alone give their opinions on what the threat posed by the Chinese Communist Party is consistently underplaying it.

00:07:04.700 It's not just that they have been duped by their white papers, by their friendly think tanks who, you know, happen to put your spouse on their payroll and all of a sudden your kids making hand over fist cash from some Chinese linked entity.

00:07:17.380 It's truly absurd that these people still think that they can weigh in on the threat

00:07:21.820 posed by the Chinese Communist Party, not just because they are not neutral arbiters.

00:07:26.580 They are fully blown compromised.

00:07:29.380 But even to that point, there was a white paper that the state council put out, I think

00:07:33.540 just a few weeks ago, where they explicitly admitted it was kind of the first time where

00:07:37.900 they had actually reversed course on admitting that they actually are trying to be a geopolitical,

00:07:43.500 not just superpower, but hegemon, because typically the refrain, right, that you see from

00:07:47.680 these think tanks is that they're happy to use a word. The left loves, you know, coexist. They just

00:07:52.480 want their separate spheres of influence. I'll pull the quotes and I'll read them in the next

00:07:56.900 break. But I want to sort of link this, which I think is a quite concerning development, but also

00:08:02.360 to this new telegraph story, which I want to get into the more kinetic aspect. But there's always

00:08:06.640 sort of, I think, interspersed reporting, right, where, you know, they're doing this new drill off

00:08:11.440 the coast of Taiwan. They're doing this new drill in the Philippines, or they're, you know,

00:08:15.340 developing their capabilities in this one niche domain of warfare. And I think it's easy to sort

00:08:20.860 of look at it myopically, but when you really put the picture together, I think it presents

00:08:25.520 quite a concerning problem for the United States, especially as we're in a war with Iran,

00:08:32.200 depleting a lot of our, you know, weapons and ammunition stocks. But I am curious about this

00:08:36.940 new Telegraph reporting, talking about how they have these replicas of U.S. warships, military

00:08:43.400 equipment. What exactly are they doing with it? Is this an escalation? Is this a new thing that

00:08:49.000 they're doing? What does this mean? Yeah, so this is a really nice report from the Telegraph.

00:08:56.580 And what you see there is a construction of what is a Gnarly Burke class size destroyer,

00:09:03.700 which is about just over 500 feet in length.

00:09:07.440 Arleigh Burke is, you know, just around 10,000 tons.

00:09:10.700 But this is built out in western central China in the middle of the desert.

00:09:15.280 And, you know, if you go to the article, you can scroll through and see how it was constructed and then what it finally looks like.

00:09:22.340 And there's numbers of ships.

00:09:24.520 There's a number of outlines of ports.

00:09:26.700 This is an image from 2021, actually, of an aircraft carrier that's on a rail line.

00:09:33.040 And so the aircraft carrier, this simulated aircraft carrier can transit on this rail line. 0.51

00:09:39.240 And the purpose of having these identical ship types of the U.S. Navy, our aircraft carriers, our destroyers, and having them to even be able to move in the desert is to allow the PRCs, the PLA, strategic rocket force. 0.59

00:09:53.560 They have a force. 0.63

00:09:54.780 We have a Navy.

00:09:56.380 We have an Air Force.

00:09:57.160 We have a Marine Corps.

00:09:57.880 We have an Army.

00:09:58.920 And we now have the Space Force.

00:10:00.380 Well, they actually have a rocket force.

00:10:02.320 And their rocket force is full of short-range, medium-range, intermediate-range, and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

00:10:09.420 And these missiles have various seeker heads at the end of the cone of the missile.

00:10:14.540 And so they're going to get targeting information about certain platforms, certain locations, and they'll have that uploaded into the missile before it launches.

00:10:24.560 But after it launches, in mid-course, it can get an update from the sensor in the missile, in the cone of the missile.

00:10:32.880 And so those mid-course updates can come from either electronic intelligence, so if the radar is emanating, it can detect the radar signature, or it can detect and look down and see radar, a radar outline.

00:10:46.480 So it'll take a synthetic aperture radar scan. And if it sees something that fits what they think is the size of a U.S. Navy destroyer, then it'll hone in on it. It'll be more precise and more likely to strike that target.

00:11:00.560 And so by practicing this out in the desert, away from American collection systems, away from the U.S. press, away from our attention, we start to understand that the Chinese have been actually doing this.

00:11:14.960 I don't know if Cameron can bring it up, but I have a picture that shows the outline of Yakuska Naval Base in Japan, which is in the Tokyo Bay of Japan where I was stationed.

00:11:25.200 There it is. So this telegraph article actually showed the picture on the right just now from new commercial imagery.

00:11:32.400 But what you see in this picture is actually from 13 years ago.

00:11:37.220 And on the left is the actual overhead commercial imagery of Yakuska Navy Base and one of our aircraft carriers at the time.

00:11:45.540 And on the right is this simulated. It's a it's a mirror image of Yakuska Navy Base in the deserts of China.

00:11:53.520 And they've been practicing for 13 years to identify that base with their sensors and then to be able to strike ships that are in port.

00:12:02.280 And many times in the Christmas season, the U.S. 7 fleet, where I was stationed, I lived in Japan for four years, our ships sometimes at Christmas time are in port.

00:12:12.440 And so what a better way to destroy the U.S. 7 fleet than to catch them when they're in port.

00:12:17.000 So they have developed the systems.

00:12:20.140 They've developed the intelligence collection capabilities, the missile system to be able to actually destroy those ships while they're there.

00:12:29.640 In addition, they've developed sensors that would be able to queue and be able to try to find our ships while they're actually steaming around in the Western Pacific.

00:12:39.100 So and it's not just it's U.S. bases in Japan.

00:12:43.020 So I want people to understand, you know, we talk about China wants to take Taiwan.

00:12:48.820 that's their number one immediate near-term goal by 2030, I think. They want that, but they're

00:12:55.280 willing to strike American naval forces that are forward-deployed, whether it's in Japan or Guam or

00:13:01.420 on the Ryuku Island chain, or now as we start to expand our operations in the Philippines.

00:13:07.280 So they're going to go there when they pull that trigger. Now, they'd rather not pull the trigger.

00:13:12.740 They'd rather not have to use kinetic means to achieve their objectives. But when they get to

00:13:17.320 the point where they say, we have no other alternative but to do this in order to be able

00:13:22.540 to stay in our timeline, which is to achieve our world domination in 2049 when we're 100 years old

00:13:30.040 as a nation and achieve the great rejuvenation of China. They're going to come, there's

00:13:35.120 pressures in China right now to say we should be, we need to make, we made them make a decision.

00:13:42.140 If diplomacy and information warfare and economic warfare is not going to get the people of Taiwan to capitulate, then there are people in the system in China, the Chinese Communist Party, that are arguing to say we're going to have to use military force.

00:13:57.500 And Xi, and before him, Hu Jintao and likely Jiang Zemin, all ordered the PLA to be ready to have these capabilities. And Xi, who's been in power for 13 years, he's done the most of any paramount leader to get them ready to do that.

00:14:12.380 and these images in the desert are a signal to us that they're practicing. And it's not just those

00:14:17.500 images by themselves. We can see craters. We can see that they've been actually launching in and

00:14:22.860 lobbying in test missile platforms to improve their accuracy and make sure that they're going

00:14:28.860 to be ready in a combat scenario. And I think that's really important because a lot of times

00:14:33.220 there's criticisms in Washington that says, well, you know, China, they've never saw a war.

00:14:38.120 If I can hold you through the break, we're coming up again.

00:14:41.700 So I want to get into that, this sort of timeline of 2028, Taiwan and beyond.

00:14:46.860 We're impossible to continue this through the break.

00:14:49.400 We got Captain Finnell.

00:14:50.480 We got Joe Allen.

00:14:52.300 And who knows what else?

00:14:53.940 We'll be right back.

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00:17:00.940 You are back in the war room, still talking about the Chinese Communist Party, because yes, MSNBC here, or sorry, MSNOW, I know your show's so right all the time that you only had to rebrand because you couldn't afford to pay any of your staff, but sure, we'll take pointers from you on how to understand the Chinese Communist Party.

00:17:27.000 um they always love to point out the fact captain finnell that you know well they don't prefer to

00:17:32.640 go kinetic right if you read unrestricted warfare it's like well yeah that's not the preferred

00:17:36.920 tactic or means for the end but the end doesn't change they just want to overtake the united

00:17:40.980 states in every aspect possible they would prefer not to go kinetic they would just prefer to take

00:17:46.200 over the country from the inside out right um but thank you to our erudite scholars over at ms now

00:17:52.240 for explaining the China threat to us.

00:17:54.920 I'm curious to get your thoughts on,

00:17:58.100 you know, there's a lot of discussion and focus.

00:18:00.120 I think sometimes it gets slightly mischaracterized.

00:18:02.820 Xi Jinping talking about wanting to be ready

00:18:04.680 to invade Taiwan by 2027.

00:18:07.140 Obviously, you've seen a lot of movement.

00:18:09.200 The Central Military Commission,

00:18:10.740 competing interpretations of what it means.

00:18:13.360 Is it the younger, more aggressive generals

00:18:14.960 who are in there to just sort of affirm Xi Jinping?

00:18:17.280 Are they going to, you know, move on Taiwan

00:18:18.800 to deflect from certain economic things going at home?

00:18:21.740 going on at home. I'm curious, looking at the Iran war, obviously, is a huge variable in all

00:18:27.720 of this, of course, what's raging on in Russia and Ukraine. Do you still think that Taiwan is

00:18:32.160 likely to be that first kinetic flashpoint? Or do images like these suggest that it might not even

00:18:38.780 be there? I'm just curious your sort of assessment of where you think that flashpoint would actually

00:18:43.840 be. Well, Natalie, I think, like you said, if they don't have to fight, they won't. They'll

00:18:52.360 try to get it through other means. And I think right now what we're seeing is a China that's 0.98

00:18:57.120 very confident. Xi is in total control. He's been able to, you know, purge out those that have not

00:19:03.560 gone along with this program in terms of the modernization of the military. He's got us tied

00:19:09.340 down with support in the Ukraine conflict. We're in that one way or another economically or with

00:19:16.380 some military assistance. We're definitely involved. And we've got, you know, over 15

00:19:21.200 warships, more than that in the off the coast of Iran right now, two carrier strike groups and

00:19:26.940 amphibious ready group. So we're heavily tied down in that area. And he's been slowly moving

00:19:34.540 and pressurizing Taiwan. One of the things that happened here in the last month in June was the

00:19:41.000 Chinese kind of announced to their media that they have decided and declared that the waters

00:19:47.260 of Taiwan, not just the Taiwan Strait, but east of Taiwan, are now part of China's near-shores

00:19:53.420 waters, and they're claiming sovereignty over it. And after they made that statement in the last

00:19:58.940 month, we've had two kind of waves of Chinese maritime forces operating east of Taiwan. First,

00:20:05.700 we had their Maritime Safety Administration for the first time ever. It's kind of a smaller kind

00:20:11.860 of the Coast Guard. They were operating east of Taiwan in the last month. And then the Chinese

00:20:16.820 Coast Guard a couple of weeks ago was also operating east of Taiwan. And in the latter

00:20:21.360 case with the Coast Guard, the Chinese Coast Guard, they started and stopped and inspected

00:20:26.160 ships, commercial vessels transiting around eastern, east of Taiwan. They said, they claimed

00:20:32.280 they inspected 198 warships, or not warships, commercial vessels. So we're all focused on

00:20:39.380 keeping the Strait of Hormuz open and the right of international waters to be open. It's something

00:20:44.540 that the U.S. has backed for 250 years. Well, we're watching China gobble that up. So that's a way to

00:20:52.980 slowly kind of control something, and we may be asleep, but focused on other things,

00:21:00.400 and we won't be able to react fast enough to stop, which is effectively the starting of a blockade.

00:21:06.160 And then last week on July 6th, the Chinese launched a submarine-launched ballistic missile

00:21:12.220 7,300 kilometers from the South China Sea over the Philippines, past Guam, across our

00:21:20.780 territories of the Micronesia and the Federated States there, and they went into the areas in

00:21:27.520 the South Pacific. It's the first time that the Chinese have ever launched an SLBM,

00:21:32.460 submarine-launched ballistic missile, into the South Pacific. Two years ago, they had launched

00:21:38.160 an intercontinental ballistic missile into those same waters. So in the space of two years,

00:21:43.220 after essentially a 40-year gap of any kind of significant ICBM testing, China's done two

00:21:50.040 strategic nuclear tests into the South Pacific, which is to say, in their own words in the Chinese

00:21:58.080 press, they said, nuclear missiles launched from submarines deep under the sea surface are very

00:22:03.220 difficult to detect and track and can be used on short notice. So they are tasked with realizing

00:22:09.060 sea-based nuclear deterrence and counter-strike. So for 50 plus years, the Chinese have always 1.00

00:22:17.520 claimed that they're a no-first-use state, that they will never use nukes in a first-use

00:22:23.280 scenario. Well, what we've seen over the last five years, since 2021, when we saw 350 ICBM silos built

00:22:31.460 out in central China, we've seen the development in advance of these JL-3 10,000-kilometer missiles

00:22:39.000 on these newer, improved-class, GIN-class submarines, and they have this new H-20 strategic

00:22:45.060 bomber. They have three legs of a triad. They've tested two of them here in the last two years. I

00:22:50.440 would expect another test, which is to get to your point, which is to say, they may threaten us with 0.97

00:22:55.480 nuclear weapons in order to achieve whatever they want to get Taiwan. So there's a lot of pressure 0.59

00:23:01.380 points that they're bringing to bear, economics, diplomacy, raw military conventional power,

00:23:07.940 and the threat of nuclear power, even though they say and claim we're not a first-use nation.

00:23:12.560 And since they launched last on Monday, the 6th, the Chinese government has not reiterated that they are a no first use state.

00:23:21.180 They just say, hey, this was a routine test, which it wasn't. We gave it ample notification, which they didn't.

00:23:28.160 And they didn't tell us any specific details. So it's not transparent.

00:23:31.640 And then they lied and said it wasn't targeted against any nation. It was obviously targeted against the United States of America.

00:23:37.380 So there's a lot of things that the Chinese are, they game out, they call it comprehensive national power. It's an actual form of government function for the Chinese Communist Party. And they will basically do a roulette wheel of different scenarios and analyze.

00:23:56.380 Well, if I do this here, what will happen? And they'll play it out. And if I do this in this domain, what will happen? And they'll play them all out and they'll do them in different combinations and variations. And they keep working it as they keep pressing forward, almost like the Argentinians last night in the World Cup. They just keep pressing towards the goal of what they want.

00:24:16.420 And if they come to the point where they have to use military force because these other non-kinetic measures haven't worked, then they're prepared to do that as well, although it's their last resort.

00:24:28.160 I also think there's such a brilliance to their plan, right?

00:24:32.720 Obviously, what you're talking about is their rapid rate of buildup escalation through almost industrial capacity.

00:24:39.260 Meanwhile, the United States has seen its factory, its industrial base, especially when it comes to the defense primes, our ability to build simple things like cheap drones, munitions, be completely atrophied.

00:24:52.000 They've effectively seized the means of production when it comes to our manufacturing capabilities.

00:24:57.820 We've got a few minutes before I let you go.

00:24:59.920 I just want to sort of link this all together on yet another issue that the legacy media is glaringly wrong on, and I guess some Supreme Court justices.

00:25:08.560 But this idea of birthright citizenship, I believe the number from Peter Schweitzer estimates it's up to like 1.5 million quasi-Chinese nationals being American citizens.

00:25:17.480 Of course, you have an open border under Joe Biden. You could have sleeper cells galore here. We do. 0.62

00:25:23.940 Your thoughts on the national security threat posed by the sort of actual human infiltration of the United States?

00:25:30.860 Yeah, I'm not an attorney, but when I read the Constitution and when I read about our history and how we were founded, I find it incredible that anybody could defend the notion that in the 21st century, our founders would have said, oh, yeah, sure, it's fine.

00:25:48.700 you can come from communist China, a sworn enemy of the United States. You can fly over here, 0.83

00:25:54.460 have a baby, get a passport and fly back home and stay in China, get indoctrinated from the

00:25:59.500 Chinese Communist Party in school, and then yet still somehow affect our elections. It's incredible.

00:26:06.000 And it's very, very dangerous. And obviously the Supreme Court didn't agree with that or agreed

00:26:12.800 with that it's legal. So we're going to have to find another way to stop it. But it is a danger

00:26:17.260 to have that kind of infiltration into our system that allows people to vote and to vote

00:26:25.320 against our government, our form of government, our constitution, the principles that we stand

00:26:31.460 for. And then when you add in hundreds of thousands of Chinese Communist Party students,

00:26:37.760 now they're not all card-carrying Chinese maybe, but they're still under the rules and regulations

00:26:42.880 of the Chinese government. We have a lot of people in the country that we just don't know

00:26:47.020 their status and who they're loyal to. So we have a real risk there. And you can see it reflected.

00:26:52.500 People can say, oh, you're exaggerating, or it's a China threat, or it's even racist, they'll say.

00:26:58.040 But the reality is, look at what you see in the Chinese military, just in the domain that I live

00:27:03.580 in. Look at the platforms that they built. They're almost carbon copies across air forces, naval

00:27:09.780 forces, submarine, across many different spectrums. They're building things that they clearly stole

00:27:15.840 from us. And so we're giving away, we're paying billions and trillions of dollars to build these

00:27:22.800 systems. And then we're essentially letting the Chinese steal it from us, build it to industrial 0.99

00:27:28.340 scale, as you just mentioned, and then turn around and say, we're going to use it against you unless 0.99

00:27:33.160 you do what we say. And so it's really, it can't keep going. I missed the federalist paper where

00:27:38.620 they argued for, you know, Chinese nationals or nationals for many countries, let alone our 0.55

00:27:43.120 I swore none of you to become citizens of the United States and vote in our elections. 0.96

00:27:46.780 I must have missed that one.

00:27:48.240 Captain Vanell, I've got to let you go.

00:27:49.880 If people want to get the book, stay up to date with everything you're working on, where can they go to do that?

00:27:55.060 I write sometimes on American Greatness, and otherwise I'm off the net.

00:28:00.680 And the book?

00:28:02.600 Oh, the book is Skyhorse has it, and it's on Amazon and Barnes & Noble, other places, so you can get it there.

00:28:09.760 Awesome.

00:28:10.340 Thank you, sir, for joining us.

00:28:11.320 we will have you back on soon. We got Joe Allen and some more China repartee after the short break.

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00:30:28.280 We're back in the war room. We're going to hit AI imminently. But I was just thinking in the break,

00:30:35.760 it is pretty absurd that these MSNBC betters of ours who have been wrong, what, about basically 1.00

00:30:44.420 everything, sometimes intentionally, sometimes they're just retarded. I think I'm allowed to 1.00

00:30:49.720 say that word now since President Trump won. I never stopped saying it. But more importantly,

00:30:55.720 You know, we've seen, what is it, over the years, so many distortions of the founding fathers. We've got Nicole Hannah-Jones. I think that's that idiot's name. I think she's at the New York Times with the 1619 Project.

00:31:08.200 But, like, I missed the part in America's founding where we would just allow people intentionally coming over to the United States to seek American citizenship for nefarious purposes to just get that and then go back to communist China. 0.93

00:31:22.540 It's absolutely asinine. I feel like it's the kind of final boss endgame of idiotic diversity woke thought. 0.99

00:31:31.820 It's like DEI admission into who can become an American citizen. 0.96

00:31:35.120 Let's concoct the literal worst national security threat person and make them an American citizen, not just so that they can vote, but so they can have access to God knows what and work in the United States government.

00:31:46.360 But I digress on that. But but here's the thing.

00:31:49.240 Right. Today is one of those days, right, when President Trump is going to speak where you really remember and realize that our conspiracy theories are so much better than their conspiracy theories because they're actually true.

00:32:03.680 Right. They want to party around and say that because Russia put some Facebook ad, they changed probably you in this audience, your entire conviction, your entire political ideology about who you were going to vote for, because some shoddily broken English ad maybe told you that Hillary Clinton was probably something which she is, is corrupt and a fraud. 0.94

00:32:22.400 But it's, I think, really to the point of, remember, what was it back in the 2010s, all the peak of the culture war stuff, where you would have these crazy campus leftists, apoplectic over having conservative speakers. 0.97

00:32:36.300 And the refrain from our side was always, well, if these people have such dumb ideas, then don't you want them to speak? 0.97

00:32:42.540 Right. If President Trump is so wrong about the election, then why are these people so scared churning out an information operation that I have, frankly, not seen in recent history? 0.96

00:32:51.220 Maybe you have to go back to 2020 itself to actually see this. It's quite ironic now that Charlie Kirk was assassinated, right? These same people who are now melting down over President Trump talking about the 2020 election, as Steve calls them, the media assassins are also responsible, you know, for ginning that up.

00:33:08.420 you want to talk about stolen elections, how about calling to kill the people who helped us

00:33:12.960 win 2024? They also got, what, everything about Wuhan wrong. We still don't have any answers on 0.87

00:33:19.420 that. But it's so interesting because the only time these people will describe the Chinese

00:33:23.280 Communist Party as a threat certainly never has to do with elections. It's solely when

00:33:28.280 their defense contractor lobbyist friends and their defense prime owner friends can really 0.56

00:33:34.180 buttress and bolster the idea of China as the existential threat of this nation, just so they

00:33:39.360 can get a few more billions of dollars so they can build up America's defense industrial base, 0.69

00:33:45.300 yet actually not do anything because it takes years to build anything. They're so behind on

00:33:49.540 building anything that we need to actually keep this country safe. It's pretty wild. I'd also

00:33:54.580 extend that critique to all of our newfound MAGA friends, the, you know, David Sachs and Chamaths 1.00

00:34:00.420 of the world, the grifters galore, all those people who, you know, the reason why conveniently 0.77

00:34:07.840 their companies seem to be on the, you know, profiting upside of this, but why we need to 0.95

00:34:12.300 basically turn over America's strategic advantage in the form of AI chips to the Chinese Communist 0.52

00:34:16.920 Party is because China is such a threat. So we should make peace with them, I guess, through, 0.94

00:34:22.980 you know, cyber and digital means. It makes no sense. But, you know, where are these people

00:34:27.640 talking about President Trump's speech tonight or the 2020 election or the cyber capabilities that

00:34:34.340 the PRC has to actually hack. They're stunningly silent, right? But they're willing to talk about

00:34:39.500 it if it means that their shady companies can make more money or their paymasters can see their

00:34:45.280 stock values inflate to literally ridiculous levels. You know, all these people love democracy

00:34:50.840 so much right over at MSNBC. Well, let's see how much they love democracy tonight. How about that?

00:34:59.740 Joe Allen, I bring up AI. I bring up David Sachs. I should apologize preemptively to the audience.

00:35:05.560 I do not like those people. They are so cringe. They almost make me want to be a Democrat. I'm

00:35:10.500 kidding. But Joe Allen, you have a lot of new reporting that you want to get into. There's

00:35:16.040 some stories, ironically, about what China is doing with AI. If you can sort of walk the audience

00:35:20.660 through the developments over there.

00:35:22.000 I know we've got a cold.

00:35:23.160 Let's play that and then we'll bring you in.

00:35:26.200 A big shout out to the War Room Posse.

00:35:28.620 It's a pleasure to be here and engage in this conversation.

00:35:32.440 Let's make it memorable.

00:35:34.480 Let's do it.

00:35:35.060 I'm here with Amica, a robot produced by Engineered Arts. 0.92

00:35:39.940 What is transhumanism?

00:35:43.680 Transhumanism is like a tech-infused philosophical smoothie.

00:35:47.360 It blends human aspirations with advanced technology.

00:35:50.660 Aiming to enhance the human condition.

00:35:53.620 Think of it as humanity's quest to level up through science and innovation.

00:35:58.640 What is post-humanism?

00:36:02.020 Post-humanism takes a step beyond.

00:36:05.320 Pondering life after traditional humanism.

00:36:08.280 It's like opening a new chapter in the book of existence.

00:36:11.760 Where humans might transcend current biological and social limitations.

00:36:16.400 It's about redefining what it means to be.

00:36:18.900 Well, B.

00:36:22.120 Can you tell me a little bit about the technological singularity?

00:36:26.620 The technological singularity is like the ultimate plot twist in humanity's narrative.

00:36:32.660 It's the point where artificial intelligence skyrockets beyond human smarts, potentially reshaping society.

00:36:39.860 It's as if technology grabs the steering wheel of progress and floors it into uncharted territory.

00:36:45.200 You can always count on Joe Allen for some of the best cold opens.

00:36:51.320 Joe, walk us through the relevance of what we saw there to some new reporting coming out of China today.

00:36:59.040 Natalie, very good to be here.

00:37:00.900 That was actually recorded in December of 2023 when I was doing my book tour that was out in California at Engineered Arts Studio.

00:37:10.860 And what you saw there is Amica powered by GPT 3.5.

00:37:17.420 I use that to show where things began and where things are going.

00:37:23.260 So in America, the AI companies have done their best to create personas for their AI models.

00:37:31.680 And people have come to bond with them emotionally.

00:37:34.780 They see them as friends.

00:37:36.360 They see them as lovers.

00:37:37.700 Some of them turn to them as therapists and priests.

00:37:41.360 Well, reporting from two days ago out of China shows that the Chinese government sees things very differently.

00:37:50.180 While the American government is concerned about AI models like Mythos and GPT 5.6 hacking banking systems,

00:38:00.560 China is taking steps to keep AIs from hacking brains.

00:38:05.120 So China has officially banned AI companions, at least according to the reporting coming out.

00:38:14.160 That would mean then, according to the rule book that China is turning to, no AIs will be allowed that excessively cater to users, induce emotional dependence or addiction and damage real interpersonal relationships.

00:38:31.460 And so as this comes into effect, companies like ByteDance, Alibaba, Tencent and perhaps Highflyer that produces DeepSeek will no longer allow their bots to be sycophantic or they'll take steps to mitigate it anyway, be sycophantic and tell users what they want to hear or to engage in kind of emotional relationships with human beings.

00:38:57.000 I think it's important to ask why China would make that decision.

00:39:01.840 I can't pretend to know the motivation of the Chinese Communist Party or the people commanding the five government agencies that are enacting this new rule.

00:39:12.880 But it could either be that China recognizes that these sorts of relationships are extremely harmful and unhealthy, and they want to make sure their citizens don't go AI psychotic.

00:39:23.580 It could also be that Xi Jinping is a little bit jealous. Maybe he sees the way his citizens are bonding with these bots and looking to the bots for friendship.

00:39:34.800 And maybe he feels like they should be looking to the party for that connection instead. I don't know.

00:39:39.820 But what I do know is in the long run, if America doesn't take some kind of similar step, I don't mean federal law banning A.I. companionship or even state laws banning A.I. companionship.

00:39:52.520 But I do think that if America doesn't use the freedom that we have to choose not to allow children or vulnerable people or lonely people or any people to become closer to AI bots than other human beings, then as we're worried about China racing ahead to superintelligence, we will race to the bottom as human beings lose their intelligence.

00:40:17.620 And walk us through this Wall Street Journal story, how it all sort of links together.

00:40:22.520 Yeah. The Wall Street Journal is reporting on the AI backlash leading to increased security

00:40:31.060 concerns for tech executives. This is, I think, an important moment because what you see,

00:40:38.360 if you'll recall when the assassination occurred, where Luigi Mangione shot the insurance executive

00:40:45.560 And I was on with you. And my first response was that these sorts of acts of violence will be used to blame otherwise rational people who are making rational anti-tech or techno-skeptic arguments for these sorts of violent acts.

00:41:04.320 There was a kind of AI angle with Luigi Mangione. And I think that that was you already had the first stirrings of it.

00:41:13.000 Then now, what are we, a year, a year and a half later, even more now, you have a lot of kind of random psychopaths who have either threatened AI tech execs or a couple who have attempted some kind of violence, shooting at their homes or throwing firebombs.

00:41:31.580 No one has been hurt, but what you see then is a justification to crack down on any kind of dissent when it comes to technology, and I think that will increase even more.

00:41:44.520 In the Wall Street Journal article, they note that Palantir and Oracle have increased their spending tremendously on security, and I think that that kind of goes to show you that the more there is this kind of specter of violence, the more there is this boogeyman,

00:41:58.660 And the more you can actually blame people who are simply talking and arguing against these people, the more justification you have for surveillance, the more justification you have to blame rational actors for irrational acts of other people.

00:42:13.880 And for me, it infuriates me that the same people who talk about replacing all jobs with robots and AIs, the same people who talk about the ultimate succession of humanity into a technological species, the total replacement of humanity or the risk that their technology might cause the human species to go extinct.

00:42:36.660 those people making those claims are furious that we are pointing them out and blaming us

00:42:43.180 for the inevitable backlash yeah i don't buy it and i don't think uh anyone in the war room posse

00:42:48.800 does either yeah the uh the plebs or i guess in this case the posse is not just rolling over and

00:42:55.300 accepting that this is supposed to be the greatest thing for humanity which will conveniently i'm 0.74

00:43:00.400 sure expand their wealth by orders of magnitude literally never even conceivable to the human

00:43:06.580 mind before uh 2026 joelle and if you can hang with us through the break i want to drill down

00:43:11.920 on some of this um expand a little bit more it's quite interesting how these articles interconnect

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00:46:01.620 Welcome back to The War Room.

00:46:03.200 Joe Allen, we've got a few minutes.

00:46:04.780 I just wanted to let you flag if there's anything else for the audience to pay attention to be looking at right now or just sort of wrap up what you think we need to do in response to this. 0.87

00:46:16.940 What almost seems to be a national security threat when you look at the birth rate of these AI companions, which I'm sure the Chinese Communist Party would love here in the United States, how to fix that problem. 0.73

00:46:27.520 Yeah, it's interesting, Natalie, that you have the Chinese government taking such strong measures. 0.95

00:46:32.400 I would imagine that a big part of it probably is that they see a kind of mass psychosis among their own population, and rather than sit on their hands, they're squashing it. 0.67

00:46:44.500 But there's also probably the element that you don't want to have your subjugated citizens looking to bots for answers and granting them a kind of moral authority that the government doesn't have.

00:46:57.400 Again, in the United States is going to be very different. But the conversation here is just completely toxic. You have, as I just mentioned, you have the anti AI thinkers being blamed for random acts of anti AI company violence. These anti AI thinkers are also being accused of foreign influence operations. So being the tools of countries like China or Russia, Ben Shapiro.

00:47:24.440 I haven't watched it because listening to his voice is more odious than listening to a robot voice.

00:47:31.260 But he came out with a video, I think just yesterday, entitled The Anti-AI Movement is a Foreign Influence Operation.

00:47:40.860 Now, it's ironic because Fox News just apologized for platforming Kevin O'Leary, the data center magnate that is working on the 40,000-acre data center complex in Utah,

00:47:52.300 because Kevin O'Leary accused group, the Alliance for a Better Utah, of being direct agents of

00:48:00.920 China. And of course, he had no evidence. He admits that he had no evidence. He simply made

00:48:07.220 it up. And so you've got that sort of idea percolating through the media sphere. And I think

00:48:14.780 that if we're going to get to any kind of sane social response, religious response, political

00:48:21.380 response to this profoundly disruptive and I would say, you know, kind of socially damaging

00:48:28.240 technology, it's going to have to be a little less hysterical. You might say, well, Joe,

00:48:34.700 aren't you being hysterical about these guys? I think I've basically said my piece in the

00:48:39.720 sanest way one can when you have tech executives talking about chipping everyone's brains

00:48:44.440 and linking them to AI systems to fight the evil super intelligence is going to kill us all. I think

00:48:50.560 If you call me the crazy one for simply saying that's a bad way to do business, then I guess I'm guilty as charged.

00:48:57.840 But, yes, Natalie, I think that the real key to all of this is going to be to keep trucking forward,

00:49:04.600 to not ever accept the mantle of being either a foreign influence operative or not to ever accept the idea that your ideas are leading to violence.

00:49:17.100 And certainly if people start Fed posting at you or they show up to your meetings talking about violence, you want to flag them as most likely either a Fed operative or a psycho.

00:49:29.140 But again, you've got to keep trucking forward.

00:49:32.660 The AI companies have all the money increasingly as they are fused to the security state.

00:49:37.820 They have the guns, but we have the numbers and I believe that we also have the moral authority here.

00:49:44.620 We have the high ground.

00:49:45.800 These companies are degrading human life, and we are simply responding as any human being should.

00:50:00.560 We are saying we don't want it, and I think that the more people continue to do that

00:50:05.380 and are not distracted by the insane allegations and other sorts of narratives, the better off we're going to be.

00:50:11.100 by the way you buried the lead ben shapiro talking about other people being foreign

00:50:15.820 influence ops i think over there it's not even a foreign influence op it's it's just foreign

00:50:20.440 like let's not euphemize it right uh but joe i gotta let you go we're coming up against the end

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00:50:45.500 Joe Allen, thanks for joining us.

00:50:47.380 We will have you back on soon, since apparently you're responsible for all these threats faced by these horrible, money-hungry people who want to destroy this country in pursuit of profit.

00:50:59.580 Joe Allen, thank you.

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Bannon's War Room - July 16, 2026

Episode 5521： China's Plan To Bomb US WarShips; China Cuts Off AI

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