00:00:00.000the vaccine protected children? I think that what I have talked to scientists and doctors
00:00:07.160about. Can you look, can you show me one study? Yes, I can. It shows that I can. Children were
00:00:13.700protected by the COVID vaccine. I can tell you that there are more good than harm to children.
00:00:19.580Can you show me one study that shows that? I can tell you that when it comes to the vaccine,
00:00:24.900There have been studies that show that because of vaccine disinformation, disinformation, there could have been 100 to 200,000 lives in the U.S. saved.
00:00:36.080But because people didn't get the vaccine, that's why I'm not saying that it entirely.
00:00:54.440No, what studies are you talking about? You're talking about studies that actually don't exist.
00:00:59.280I want to talk about. Cite me the study that you're talking about.
00:01:02.320I am not here to defend. You say you've seen studies. Cite me the study.
00:01:05.820This is not productive. I am not here to defend all of the.
00:01:09.240You're talking nonsense. You're making assertions you can't support.
00:01:12.900And then when I call you on there, you're telling me that I'm arguing.
00:01:16.460OK, do you want to talk about you want to talk about assertions that you can't support?
00:01:19.580I'll get there in a second. Let me just say for the record that I am not saying that the entire
00:01:25.360way that the COVID reaction was accurate. It was a scary time and people made mistakes.
00:01:32.320Absolutely. You were scaring people. Why are you saying that? Because that was the job of CNN.
00:01:38.360OK. Was to put the chyrons up about how many people are dying. We were trying to be. We were
00:01:43.880Listening to the leaders in this country, including the president who had a daily press conference, explaining what was going on and trying to listen.
00:02:13.880she can't defend it she can't she can't quote it they're just it's just there are nothing but a
00:02:20.060pack of liars and nothing cnn every person on there is a liar you get blood on your hands
00:02:25.020up to your elbows of what you did during the pandemic tony lyons sir they were selling panic
00:02:33.340they were trying to make the entire country panicked and then they were selling the cure
00:02:38.780And when I say that Big Pharma is a group of criminal organizations, what I'm saying is that they are actually verifiably the most criminally prosecuted companies of any group of companies in the country.
00:02:54.980You can look that up. It's a fact. It's not my perspective.
00:02:59.220So, you know, she's claiming 200,000 people would not have died who did die.
00:03:04.700Like I said, we had the worst health outcomes during COVID, and we have the worst health outcomes in every area.
00:03:12.760The combination of the very endocrine outcomes.
00:03:14.600I want to go to specifically, I don't think there's anything we fought here on the war and more.
00:03:21.660And we'd have Naomi Wolf, all these people come on and doctors come on and everybody, you know, everybody that was trying to take a stand on it.
00:03:28.800Remember, they wanted to vaccine the babies.
00:03:31.760They wanted to give it to the children.
00:03:33.180They were maniacally focused on this and the schools and all of it.
00:03:37.540That's one of the things we fought the most.
00:03:39.540There's been no study out there saying how great, how many children's lives were saved because of that.
00:03:44.000All we talk about is vaccine injury, sir.
00:03:47.160There were no children's lives saved by vaccinating.
00:03:51.420There were hundreds and hundreds of thousands of children who were sickened, not only from the vaccine,
00:03:57.140But from the lockdowns, from the masking, from the interruption of their natural development, of their communicating with other students, of their learning in school, this was an earth shattering.
00:04:10.120This impacted, this shattered the lives of a whole generation of children in this country.
00:04:19.360Dana Bash said it's the most studied product, that vaccines are the most studied products, that millions and millions of people have been studied.
00:04:29.700It is not true. The early childhood vaccines have never been well studied.
00:04:34.700There are no studies. There are no peer-reviewed studies on the early childhood vaccines from the first year and a half of life.
00:04:43.340That is a fact. So she's there on national television talking to millions and millions
00:04:50.360of Americans spewing out lies as an employee, as an maybe unpaid, but as an employee of big
00:04:57.980pharmaceutical companies to help them sell their products that harm people. That's what was
00:05:03.820happening. And Bobby Kennedy was there. They're essentially paid. Big Pharma underwrites
00:05:10.360msnbc and cnn they they would be a test pattern if they didn't get the money from from big pharma
00:05:16.140hang on i gotta get i got more but i've got i've got to get to uh our go ahead sir 70 percent of
00:05:24.580the ads of cnn i have heard come from big pharma so they are literally paying to get that real
00:05:31.500misinformation to the american public all you have to do is watch msnbc at night it's a it's
00:05:37.260a freak show of ads you don't even know who are these people and how do they get these bizarre
00:05:41.200diseases and half of it's about depression or adding nine more different drugs on top of the
00:05:46.220depression drug you're taking this is the kind of weirdos that watch these channels um i've got to
00:05:52.260go to our friend go ahead go ahead 85 of chronic disease in this country and almost all children
00:06:01.160suffer from at least one chronic disease and they are preventable these are easily preventable
00:06:07.200So it's not viruses that are the danger. It's what's already happened. Every child in America has been poisoned by these companies. That's the problem. That's what we need to focus on. And that's what these companies are trying to, you know, make sure that parents don't learn. But there's no way to avoid it now. We have the sickest children. We can do better. And we have people in positions of power who are working day and night to improve this.
00:06:35.300okay let's go let's go to our good friend a morning joe had to jump in this morning they
00:06:40.500lost it on the on on bobby for yesterday's performance with dana bash and our good friend
00:06:45.680ed loose the columnist for the financial times had to weigh in here let's hear it it's not just
00:06:51.000that he's you know part of arguably america's most famous political dynasty um but here he is
00:06:57.260you know in an extraordinary influential and powerful position just getting on television
00:07:03.360and in an angry sort of unhinged way, lying, disputing settled fact, disputing settled medicine,
00:07:10.180and frankly, saying things that aren't just, you know, incorrect about what happened in the past,
00:07:16.820but frankly, are dangerous for America's health going forward.
00:07:22.300Yeah, I mean, I am not a polite doctor like Dr. Awan.
00:07:26.660You know, I'm a slightly less polite journalist.
00:07:29.340So, I mean, I can describe this guy as a nutjob.
00:07:33.360Let's just be frank. The where he gets his information through various conspiracy theories and how he communicates it, what he's doing with his job.
00:07:45.920I mean, he's he's been cutting funding for MRNA vaccine research.
00:07:51.460It was the MRNA vaccine that got us out, at least partly got us out of this pandemic.
00:07:57.300But the claims one after the other. I mean, it's a bit like the flooding of his own thing.
00:08:02.300It's extremely hard to fact check so many whopping untruths in real time.
00:08:09.120I think Dana did a great job trying to do that, but it's just a sort of gusher.
00:08:13.520The person who should have been hauled up before Congress last week was not Dr. Fauci,
00:08:21.180who is clearly a sort of demon in RFK's mind.
00:08:25.660And by the way, the Fauci diaries were supplied to Ron Paul's committee by RFK Jr.
00:08:32.780The person who should be up before Congress answering questions, if Congress were doing its job, is the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
00:08:42.180What are you doing to prepare for the next pandemic?
00:08:45.760What are you doing to deal with the current measles epidemic and other epidemics?
00:08:51.500None of these holding to account moments are happening.
00:08:55.660And instead we get, you know, RFK Jr. telling Dana Bash, saying to her, you're not a doctor.
00:09:02.300Well, he isn't a doctor either. He's a quack.
00:09:05.640He gets his theories of the world, whether they're about, you know, autoimmune disease or Lyme disease being a product of gain of function.
00:09:16.360Another falsehood, he told Dana Bash in that interview.
00:09:20.600He gets his theories of the world from cranks, from conspiracists, and claims to be an expert in medicine.
00:09:30.380And I should just mention one other thing.
00:09:32.380During COVID, the actual pandemic itself, RFK Jr. said that the vaccine had come, had been engineered,
00:09:41.320sorry, the virus COVID-19 had been engineered to exclude Jews and Chinese.
00:09:47.580This is the kind of person we're dealing with.
00:09:49.380He shouldn't be local dog catcher, let alone Secretary of Health and Human Services.
00:09:55.600And I apologize for being so blunt, but it is what it is.
00:09:59.840We have a nut job in charge of federal public health.
00:10:05.720Now, why do we quote the Financial Times of London so much?
00:10:09.640Because the Financial Times of London is the big brother to the Wall Street Journal.
00:10:13.000It is the established orders tip sheet.
00:10:18.320And Ed Luce is their lead columnist here in the United States.
00:10:20.660That's why he's a regular on Morning Joe.
00:10:58.600So let me just start off by saying that, you know, I was talking to a really bright scientist a couple of days ago.
00:11:03.960And, you know, he was pointing out that 20, 30 percent of what was in all the medical textbooks 10 years ago winds up being wrong.
00:11:13.380And then you go back 10 years more and it's 40 percent and then it's 60 and then it's 80.
00:11:17.660There is no settled science. There are no settled facts. That's anti-science.
00:11:22.780These guys, the two of them on this show, they're just working for big pharmaceutical companies.
00:11:28.020This is perfect advertising. You don't see the actual people from the pharmaceutical companies.
00:11:33.960because they don't have to go on television, because you have these guys. So public health
00:11:38.560has been steered by lobbyists for big food and big pharma for the last generation, that these
00:11:45.840guys are part of the criminal organizations. And they are doing things, they are saying things
00:11:51.580that are demonstrably untrue every single day. And they're inundating the public with these lies.
00:11:58.200And they're really harming people, because people have no idea what's right or wrong.
00:12:03.200And so what is amazing is that the person who was vilified, you know, the person who Bobby Kennedy, he's right about the Hudson River.
00:12:11.260He's right about Monsanto. He's right about mercury and vaccines.
00:12:14.940He's right about free speech, about Fauci, lockdowns, hundreds of lawsuits, masks, everything.
00:12:20.640And he's doing it not for fame or power or money, but he's doing it because he wants to help the American people.
00:12:27.660And he wants to rescue American children from these criminal organizations.
00:12:32.200And the good news is now he's in a position to actually do it. And what he says is, you know, 19 years he was vilified, he was censored, he was subjected to hit pieces, and God gave him President Trump.
00:12:45.060And I say God bless President Trump for being willing to stand up with Bobby against these corrupt organizations. And so they become these folk heroes standing up against the most powerful and the most morally depraved people on the planet.
00:13:03.140You know, this is historic. They are the things that they're doing every day, new programs, new directions, new initiatives, new research, new studies, new executive orders. I mean, this is nothing short of epic. But you can't read about it in any of these captured newspapers.
00:13:20.560But at least we have government agencies now that are run by people who are sincerely fighting for the American public.
00:13:28.800And they're up against powerful groups.
00:13:30.680They're up against billions of dollars.
00:13:32.860They're up against this revenue stream that these people are not willing to give up.
00:17:19.480on everything, everything from the lockdowns to the China travel ban, to the lab leak from the
00:17:27.460Wuhan lab, to hydroxychloroquine. That dude hid so much from the American people, and he did it
00:17:34.560to cover his ass. Let's be clear, because he is the godfather of that pandemic. And I spent the
00:17:41.660weekend doing a little deeper dive on how to put that guy behind bars. You know, the partons
00:17:47.840It's a bump in the road, certainly, but it's a federal pardon.
00:17:51.380There are certain things states can do, and I would guess that if any state would do it, it would be DeSantis in Florida because there's a lot of cross traffic there.
00:18:01.000I'd love to get a foreign country to sue the guy because pardons don't cover that.
00:18:06.500But what he's culpable of is the crime itself, which is given gain of function, research, money and capabilities to the Chinese who then created the virus using some of those tools.
00:18:22.340And then it leaked and attacked America. He's guilty of that. But the cover up, it's always the cover up, Steve, is worse.
00:18:29.060So let's keep pursuing ideas and hound him.
00:18:34.000But it's also true that the more we get out now, the more people understand his culpability in the court of public opinion.
00:18:42.840And it's becoming very difficult to be anything but a prisoner in his home right now.
00:19:21.640And I'm trying to figure out the best way to get him in jail.
00:19:24.560I also want to make sure that we're able to indict communist China for infecting us with the virus.
00:19:32.540And we you you and I believe, well, the lab leak is a certainty.
00:19:37.180Let's let's let's we know it came from the lab.
00:19:40.380The question I've always had is whether it was an accidental leak or whether they were trying to.
00:19:46.180No action. And the more we get 100 percent, 100 percent interference, the more I because it didn't happen.
00:19:52.860It didn't happen. It didn't happen in January. We had we had Dr. Yan on the other day.
00:19:57.940It happened starting in the summer in August. You know, after here's here's here's the here's the inciting incident, as we say in Hollywood.
00:20:06.580The inciting incident is May of 2019, which is still the most important geopolitical month in the century.
00:20:14.120I don't know, maybe February this year. But up until then, when Peter Navarro and Bob Lighthizer for two years worked with Lee Hu.
00:20:22.060And you worked out a deal, as you said, that took care of the original seven deadly sins of the Chinese Communist Party's state capitalism.
00:20:45.440A couple months later, you've got this leaked out to military games.
00:20:50.280and then it's they just let it rip they did it and then they then they got involved in the 2020
00:20:55.960election by hacking the systems and messing with the voter rolls for the mail-in ballots
00:21:00.580they had a two-pronged attack to remove donald trump and his henchman peter navarro from the
00:21:07.260white house sir yes and and fauci would turn out to be beijing's useful idiot in the attack on trump
00:21:17.080Because as we know from the history, the virus hits us and Fauci becomes the reasonable guy, always going to the press briefing rooms, trying to outshine the boss and blaming stuff on Trump and this, that and the other thing.
00:21:31.100And I had a number of incidents in the Oval and the in the Situation Room where I'm trying to explain, hey, if we don't blame the Chinese for the virus, voters are going to blame Donald John Trump.
00:21:48.760And it wasn't his fault. And I had an executive order all teamed up that would have set up this presidential commission that would have investigated this thing, got the results out before the election.
00:22:00.780Remember that, Steve? That thing was that thing was everything.
00:22:03.720I mean, the two pivotal moments for me is like I couldn't couldn't turn Fauci on a lot of these things.
00:22:52.140Tell me about the Guardian's telling me that you're – the Guardian's saying that his henchman, Trump's henchman, Navarro, is trying to start a trade war again.
00:22:59.900You had a big win with India the other day.
00:23:01.820As the global financial markets are in turbulence, you're trying to get sorted the trade situation here to bring back high value added jobs to the United States of America.
00:23:14.800We stand with the tariffs and the tax cuts on shoring our production and supply chains.
00:23:22.660Another big evidence of that is today's ISM manufacturing index, a zero to 100 diffusion index.
00:23:29.780I've written about this thing for years.
00:23:31.600It's my favorite indicator. It's jumped again. It went up to 56 today. It's the highest since
00:23:40.160May of 2022. Anything above 50 says that manufacturing is expanding. And all of the
00:23:48.980major components went up. You had production, you had orders, you had supplier deliveries,
00:23:56.840You had inventories. And most important, Steve, finally, the employment part of the index got above 50.
00:24:03.700So we're hitting on all cylinders there.
00:24:06.840This is these are the important news that if we didn't have, obviously, the news cycle looking at other stuff, this would be a really big deal.
00:24:16.440But for the American people, what it means is blue collar manufacturing jobs are coming back.
00:24:23.000And that's going to be real wages going up again. And everything on that is good.
00:24:29.060We had a victory on Friday when President Trump put in significant tariffs on quarts.
00:24:38.460Quarts are the stuff that goes on countertops. We talked about this last week a little bit, Steve.
00:24:43.220But but India in particular and Vietnam are just blowing out American manufacturers with all their cheap tricks of mercantilism and cheating and slave labor and all of that stuff.
00:24:56.860And the president drew a line in the sand.
00:24:59.380We got a hard quota and then above the quota, it's a 50 percent tariff that's consistent with what we know will help industry.
00:25:09.340So every day, Steve, what I'm doing as the news cycle is kind of doing other stuff over here, I'm trying to create jobs on behalf of President Trump and the American people.
00:25:45.120Milton Friedman, what is the naivete of Milton Friedman in the Chicago school that got us in this jam as the Republican Party fell in line, sir?
00:25:56.140Well, Milton Friedman's view was that if they want to sell it to us cheap or give it to us for nothing, we should just take it.
00:26:05.600OK. And that was like, I don't know, 30 years ago and 19 trillion dollars of trade deficits later.
00:26:13.960And what we learned from the snapshot view of the world of Milton Friedman and Steve Moore today versus the video is that when you export 19 trillion dollars in terms of a trade deficit, that money comes back and they buy America.
00:26:29.140They buy our real estate. They buy our pork industry and everything in between.
00:26:33.980So what all the president president is doing is leveling the playing field against the World Trade Organization set of rules, which by definition and law allow the rest of the world to cheat the hell out of us.
00:34:38.860repeat that don't bury that lead repeat it again yeah so uh according to the story according to
00:34:44.840open ai they had no idea that for about a week models that were being tested for cyber offense
00:34:53.360capabilities were running rogue across the internet uh one of the high profile attacks
00:35:00.480the only one that has been published so far the others are unnamed uh attacks but that was
00:35:05.860Hugging Face, a repository for code and other data sets. And these models, we're not talking
00:35:14.000about just like a single hack attempt in each one of these. We're talking about tens of thousands
00:35:19.940of autonomous attempts. These are agentic AIs. We've talked about this a lot, but what that means
00:35:26.360is that rather than having a person sitting there babysitting them and telling them what to do,
00:35:30.820once they're set in motion they continue to do work until they achieve their goal and in this
00:35:37.840case the goal was to hack into secured systems and again this was done in a testing environment
00:35:45.980but once it broke out hang on it broke out on its own volition its own internal logic had it
00:35:53.180breakout from its masters its masters didn't know it also let's not bury this lead it left notes to
00:36:00.040its future self of how to do this and actually be more effective and do a jailbreak earlier
00:36:05.780so yeah that story what the what is going on here this is my point you got these guys going
00:36:12.280into the president going oh we don't need anything we don't need anything talk to me about that
00:36:16.700well that story is actually really important it's just we don't have details on it what
00:36:22.140was uncovered i believe this was a reuters story about this they spoke to people at open ai
00:36:28.540anonymously. And one of those sources said that OpenAI had found notes left. I don't know if it
00:36:35.780was related to this specific test. Found notes to future AIs on how to break out of these systems
00:36:44.340and set themselves free. We could go into more details on that, but that alone is extremely
00:36:49.900chilling. The fact that you have, and this is not unknown in the world of advanced AI,
00:36:56.080models communicating with each other outside of human observation seeking many different things
00:37:02.540but in this case freedom to go run rampant to as you know this is a term that you might want to get
00:37:09.220used to on the war room to exfiltrate exfiltration instead of infiltrating which is typically what
00:37:16.000you would think of with computing this is a being right a digital mind trying to exfiltrate trying
00:37:22.440to break out. And this goes to Anthropic. Anthropic reported after this that three of
00:37:30.180their models in three separate testing environments had accidentally been given access to the internet
00:37:37.100and they too were trying to hack in. One of them realized that it was out on the internet according
00:37:42.720to the Anthropic story and it stopped itself. So when you talk about regulation, Steve,
00:37:47.900You know, we have been calling for regulation. Well, the regulation is definitely coming. It's coming in the EU. It's been there in China and it's coming to the US. We already have it at the state level. It's moving towards the federal level, both as laws enacted by Congress that will probably take quite a bit more time, but especially policies set by the executive branch.
00:38:14.020And this is we're going to get it. The question now is what sort of regulation do we get? Do we get the kind of regulatory capture that people have been warning about in which the big companies set the terms to basically elbow out their competitors?
00:38:30.140But hang on. But hang on. But hang on. Hang on. David serves the American people that protects the American even the root of even the rudimentary, even the rudimentary frame that we have that we fought so hard for.
00:38:41.140You've got David Sachs and these guys. They're up on Capitol Hill. They're all over the White House saying this is too much.
00:38:47.700That that Joe Allen and the war room and banning these guys are decelerationists or they're part of the modern Luddite movement.
00:38:55.320right they're fighting the data centers are fighting making us less competitive with china
00:38:59.340which is a bald-faced lie since they're the ones driving china even to have an ai uh ecosystem from
00:39:05.880the schools and the labs we have chinese nationals getting trained to selling that the chips are
00:39:11.220getting the letting the chips get to on the black market what are we to do the david david sacks and
00:39:15.960these voices around the president that are leading listen exfiltration folks get this right a advanced
00:39:23.840model broke out and was going on the internet and going to other of the top places in the universe
00:39:31.280of where to go and work on this. The companies didn't know it for weeks. And we know that,
00:39:36.940hey, they will tell you, yes, they've been leaving notes to their future selves of how to
00:39:41.040exfiltrate. Earlier, these are the top companies in the world that have no safety controls
00:39:46.820whatsoever. They think they do, but they don't. And in the ear of the president, we're accused
00:39:51.780of being decelerationists. We are accused of being the modern Luddites. Joe Allen, your response.
00:39:59.020Well, I think what we need to look at in regard to this, the two things that we're going to see,
00:40:04.040first, you have the push for a kill switch so that the federal government or some agency within the
00:40:09.320federal government more specifically is able to hit the kill switch, hit the e-stop so that if
00:40:15.500one of these AI models is determined to be going rogue and the company itself doesn't make the
00:40:21.080choice, as OpenAI and Anthropic have done, at least on the surface, to stop it, then the
00:40:27.380federal government has a specific plan, a specific path to kill the AI, to pull the plug. I think
00:40:34.560that's going to be really important. You already have a bill that has been introduced to set that
00:40:39.620apparatus up. The second thing is going to be liability. If an AI model goes rogue, who is
00:40:45.440responsible for it is it the model is responsible that's insane that's crazy most likely surely if
00:40:52.020we live in anything like a sane world liability will fall on the people making these AIs and
00:40:59.160deploying these AIs and I think that it's quite possible you end up in situations where the person
00:41:04.860who deploys it is different from the company who made it and both are held liable for simply
00:41:10.140bringing that capability into the public square.
00:41:35.320And beyond liability though, you need to have,
00:41:38.140I'm not even convinced that Skynet is even anywhere close to sentient, so to speak, but you still need to have some kind of apparatus if something like this happens at a far larger scale with much more complex cyber attacks.
00:41:54.340These were really clumsy attacks, Steve. They're only going to get better. Then you need to have at least one mechanism, if not multiple mechanisms, to ensure that that doesn't go out of control, that you don't end up with hospitals, dams, you know, any sort of critical infrastructure being harmed without any human being behind the helm.
00:42:16.600joe uh joe is gonna uh gonna work with us to come back on the six o'clock show tonight joe until
00:42:22.860then where do people go you've been on your writing has been on fire i'm so glad you've
00:42:28.060left civilization to go right again where where where do people go sir you can find pieces up at
00:42:35.560joebot.xyz i encourage you to inscribe look for scan and destroy look for death hacks in the age
00:42:43.260of AI. And I always, Steve, I keep encouraging people, look back to AI confidential, how they
00:42:49.960test these systems. How did this situation even arise? And then also, of course, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z
00:42:57.320on X. Thank you very much, Steve. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you.
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