Bannon's War Room - Episode 5604： Bessent Balancing Act; Is The Economy Becoming An Unsolvable Problem

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.180 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.380 You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:16.660 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:18.580 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.020 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:22.700 It's going to happen.

00:00:23.960 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.360 Mega Media.

00:00:28.280 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.160 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:37.900 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.300 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:47.520 thursday 20 august year of our lord 2026 um metaxa i think we're trying to get metaxas

00:00:59.340 late in this hour to talk about as they started the show off talk about republic ending

00:01:03.860 the british invasion of the 32 000 combat troops on staten island that were about to move

00:01:10.120 they didn't know if they were going to perth amboy on the jersey side or uh take a sweep

00:01:15.220 around long island uh but the americans were getting ready 32 000 combat troops 8 000 of

00:01:21.140 those were hessian mercenaries i think at this time they had over 250 either uh combatant vessels

00:01:28.620 and or other vessels from the logistics vessels from the british empire a bottom line massive

00:01:36.460 invasion republic ending just like these issues over the last couple days come to the forefront

00:01:41.600 about debt and deficits all the things that we have talked about and talked about for years

00:01:45.840 and you're the leaders uh of this movement i'm saying hey i got an idea i don't know

00:01:51.900 you need a forcing function to force a national debate otherwise you're gonna get jammed down

00:01:56.480 your throat every day the guardian which is one of the best edited papers in the world of course

00:02:01.320 it's one of the most or not the most left-wing major paper in the world headline democrats

00:02:06.360 outraged at 40 trillion dollars in spending morning joe joe scarborough lecturing you

00:02:12.900 lecturing you on debt and deficits get ready for it folks get ready for it uh natalie's going to

00:02:20.040 come back too i want to get back into the chinese communist party the underwriting of the chinese

00:02:24.120 communist party by u.s taxpayers how's that feel does that feel good does that feel like managed

00:02:28.580 decline no that feels like accelerated collapse we get back to natalie moment kobe uh kobe i need

00:02:35.640 you in here and kobe's a chapter such a great job 845 warm free no obligation already say save the

00:02:42.200 worm up over a million dollars but most importantly it gets you into a program of medicare that is

00:02:48.500 the right program for you the right plan for you kobe what these changes that are happening right

00:02:55.580 now particularly and this gets back to trying to close the deficit part of this is the trump

00:03:02.500 administration is quite rightly saying, hey, look, we got to go back and get all those things that

00:03:06.560 were done during the COVID era, and we got to start canceling those programs because we can't

00:03:10.620 underwrite everybody like it's the COVID era. Times have definitely changed. So explain to us

00:03:15.780 what's going on and what's the solution. That's exactly right, Steve. So the administration

00:03:22.080 recently paused or canceled Biden era subsidies that were put in place for the Part D prescription

00:03:28.980 program. The implication of that is there will likely be slightly higher co-pays and premiums

00:03:34.880 for individuals in Part D if they don't switch and optimize their plan. Some other changes that

00:03:41.020 have happened over the past couple of weeks, one of the large insurance carriers, Humana,

00:03:45.240 recently announced that they'll be withdrawing their plans from 600,000 members on their plans.

00:03:51.100 And so it's so important for people to make sure that they are optimizing their coverage and

00:03:54.900 looking to make sure they're on the right plan coming into this enrollment period.

00:03:58.980 And if we take a step back, as you said, to the inflationary components and the massive

00:04:03.860 spend that we have, especially in healthcare and in Medicare, one of the big initiatives that we

00:04:09.560 at Chapter try to do is to take costs out of the system by making sure people are on the right plan

00:04:14.140 for their needs. In partnership with a lot of what CMS is doing to fight fraud, Dr. Oz and

00:04:19.820 the administration have done an amazing job reducing a lot of Medicare and Medicaid fraud as

00:04:24.220 well. And that's been rampant over the past decade. And we're starting to see some of those

00:04:28.480 efforts really, really take effect and save a lot of money. But for you as an individual,

00:04:34.120 for the posse, the most important thing is making sure that you have the right plan for your needs.

00:04:38.260 You're not paying more than you should. You're getting the prescriptions you need at the lowest

00:04:41.660 possible cost. And that's what we do every day. So we encourage people to call 845-WAR-ROOM.

00:04:46.600 It's entirely free. You can get a plan that is right for your needs without having to worry

00:04:52.560 about biases and incentives that are inherent in this, what is otherwise a pretty sometimes

00:04:58.500 unscrupulous market. So 845 War Room, it's totally free. We're here to help.

00:05:04.020 Hold it. Stop. Stop. You're too nice a guy. Sometimes unscrupulous. There's a hundred

00:05:12.840 billion dollars at stake, bro. These guys see it. They're good. What do you mean sometimes

00:05:17.380 unscrupulous? It's totally unscrupulous. This is the reason we got in the business.

00:05:21.360 Give me a minute on that.

00:05:22.860 I appreciate it.

00:05:23.700 Yeah, I try to be professional when I'm on camera, but I appreciate the call out.

00:05:29.400 Yeah, a lot of the Medicare advisors, most Medicare advisors really in this country are

00:05:32.900 really not putting their consumers first.

00:05:36.700 They are heavily incentivized by pushing plans that pay them more.

00:05:41.140 And that's really inherent to their entire business models.

00:05:44.100 At Chapter, we've set up our entire business to really be the antidote to that.

00:05:47.840 We look at every single option.

00:05:49.300 we are blinded to the economics and our Medicare advisors never put people into a plan that's not

00:05:56.020 right for their needs. They don't even know how much a plan may pay chapter. And so in that way,

00:06:02.140 we really focus on just what's best for the consumer. And it takes a lot of work. It's

00:06:05.780 really hard from a technology and a data perspective and an operational perspective

00:06:08.960 to pull that off, which is part of why other people don't do it. But we've been able to

00:06:13.300 build this business in this way, and it's allowed us to save the posse a lot of money.

00:06:16.300 well it's the feedback's tremendous uh kobe a45 war room thank you for doing this thank you for

00:06:23.840 setting the company and uh all the great reps you've got the deal the interface of people

00:06:28.380 people love it so thank you so much appreciate you sir thanks for having me steve what a what

00:06:34.180 a gentleman sometimes unscrupulous when there's a hundred billion dollars of cash money out there

00:06:40.200 to grab folks are gonna be grabbing and they're gonna be putting you in the wrong plan that's

00:06:44.900 why you got to make these decisions on your own with full information so natalie g winners and

00:06:49.580 we get to philip patrick i mean natalie g winners i want to go back to this because you've just

00:06:53.080 recently had announcement as as the trump administration goes through trying to get

00:06:58.020 their arms around uh spending but most importantly about exactly what people are working on their

00:07:04.220 cutting programs particularly some of these research programs there's been an announcement

00:07:08.020 i think over the last 60 days that american citizens now most of these have chinese or

00:07:14.120 indian names when you read the list i'm just saying that's a matter of fact are saying oh no

00:07:19.420 we're going to go to china we're going to work at chinese universities or we're going to be

00:07:23.100 underwritten by chinese this comes after decades of where the united states has been underwriting

00:07:28.400 the chinese communist party in this of research that they take immediately and work on their

00:07:34.540 weapons programs against the united states make it make all this make sense to us ma'am 0.67

00:07:41.220 Well, you know, as much as people are mocking Darlene Graham for like not knowing anything

00:07:45.220 about national security, I would probably apply that same standard to most people in

00:07:50.500 Congress because they're funding this.

00:07:52.180 And frankly, most Pentagon predecessors have okayed this.

00:07:55.860 I like to get granular because I think you can see it with the facts themselves.

00:08:00.080 So I put up a Twitter thread, Denver, if you want to roll it, you can while I talk.

00:08:04.180 But I identified dozens of people. 0.98

00:08:06.960 And like you said, Steve, all of these people that I can't even pronounce the names yet, they're getting, maybe we should apply the Maha standard. Like if you can't pronounce it, you don't eat it. If you can't pronounce it, you don't give it millions of taxpayer dollars from, I don't know, the US Army or DARPA or the Navy.

00:08:20.760 but these are people who for years of course because they were attached to a united states

00:08:26.720 university or college got funding from the army from the navy from darpa from some form of a

00:08:35.180 pentagon you know procured or utilized um research grant and literally sometimes within the same year

00:08:41.920 if not the year prior so concurrently go back to china and are working on the same exact thing so

00:08:46.760 So one individual, for example, and by the way, there are dozens of these that I've put up.

00:08:51.760 I mean, forever, there's thousands, but this is one individual, Jinling Gao.

00:08:56.100 2017 to 2022, he's at Purdue.

00:08:59.340 He's participating in two U.S. Army projects involving protective textiles and detecting damage inside reinforced materials.

00:09:06.200 So basically, you know, uniform, stuff like that.

00:09:08.140 in april 22 so after he graduates literally goes back that year joins the nanjing university of

00:09:14.840 aeronautics and astronautics where there he's working on the exact same stuff at the chinese

00:09:20.320 naval equipment institute a quote protective structure project where he lists now from 2022

00:09:25.400 since then to 2024 he's literally been working on a chinese central military commission project

00:09:30.720 involving quote high performance woven materials the exact same exact same thing we were funding

00:09:36.720 him to do research on. Take another person, for example, Hi Tao Xu. At Northwestern from 2016 to

00:09:44.040 2018, he was a core member of a $6 million Pentagon project designed to uncover sophisticated hackers

00:09:49.960 hiding inside major computer networks. Let me guess, they were probably all Chinese. Now he's 0.96

00:09:56.060 at Zhejiang University, where he's participating in a similar hacking program for the Chinese

00:10:01.680 Central Military Commission. Hang Lee, 2010 to 2017. He's at George Washington University,

00:10:09.060 where he's working on a U.S. Army and Pentagon program for rapidly identifying chemical and

00:10:13.840 biological threats. That sounds like a really good idea in life of COVID. Then he goes and after,

00:10:19.880 again, this is millions of dollars. Just a few years later, he goes back to China,

00:10:24.780 joins the U.S. blacklisted Beijing Institute of Technology, where he's working on the same exact

00:10:31.500 type of research, but doing it for the PLA. Steve, I could give you dozens and dozens,

00:10:38.000 hundreds of examples. These are just particularly egregious because the year overlap, I could read

00:10:43.200 you my whole thread. I won't waste your time. You should go read it on Twitter. But this is just part

00:10:48.120 of the problem. Then you have the actual Americans, the names that I can pronounce, who, because of 0.56

00:10:55.100 the pipelines that have been established of people like this, right, the, you know, basically

00:10:59.340 the disintegration of the Chinese wall, no pun intended, that used to exist between our science

00:11:04.060 infrastructure and theirs, they're basically like forward deploying over to China. And all of a 0.80

00:11:09.500 sudden you see people, whether they're former Pentagon researchers or in the academic complex,

00:11:14.560 I'm sure everyone remembers, what was it, Dr. Stephen Lieber or whatever at Harvard, Lieberman,

00:11:18.800 who now is just working in China on a new lab. But all of these people, the Americans who have

00:11:24.020 even more research, they're not just grant recipients, are then going over and lecturing.

00:11:28.500 And in some cases, taking up full on fellowships. One individual that I exposed yesterday who was funded by DARPA and the Army and I believe the Navy, his resume literally lists that his goal is to, quote, break America's technology blockade on weapons tech, right? These people, they're not PLA combatants after they graduate. I know our university system is very radicalizing, but they're PLA combatants when they get here.

00:11:53.220 And we fundamentally misunderstand how the PRC views science and technology. Take Xi Jinping's words, not mine, right? High tech, advanced tech is a weapon. It's a weapon of the future. And it's something that they have dedicated since at least 2015, basically their entire society to.

00:12:11.400 And we are subsidizing the researchers who are literally now working for their central military commission. I don't see the inverse of that happening. And if the Fauci's of the world, right, those types want to say, oh, this is how we prevent war because of the lucidities trap. We just need to shut up and fund them.

00:12:30.600 it's like what demonstrable benefit have we gotten from any of this oh this is all a covert program 0.97

00:12:36.960 designed to get him okay sure no it's not the chinese communist party every day they build

00:12:42.260 more ships in a day than we do in two years who do you think subsidizing that and they took all 0.70

00:12:47.200 of our labor away and real quick steve to the point of the va this is a nine figure scandal

00:12:54.040 over $676 million worth of VA-funded research that was either giving Chinese military researchers

00:13:03.120 access to American veterans' data to do God knows what with, or in some cases, you look at these

00:13:09.700 actual studies, and you can't pull a Fauci here, but you see VA money funding studies that are

00:13:15.640 being done by Chinese researchers that are literally working for the PLA. I don't know

00:13:22.200 how you can square that our foremost enemy that one day we will likely meet kinetically they 0.83

00:13:26.820 already are here coming in through our open border and we're giving them access to veterans data

00:13:32.520 VA which can barely be funded people can barely get help yet we can find 670 million dollars

00:13:37.940 to fund the PLA with I mean this kind of stuff is absurd and then it all comes back because the

00:13:45.580 media is compromised so they won't report on it the top generals are compromised so they won't

00:13:50.040 report on it the congressional staffers all the way up to their bosses are you know compromised

00:13:54.540 so they're going to fund this stuff and this is how you get this like oscillate off just you know

00:13:59.240 institutionalized systemic and just problem that you can't fix i mean you can if you call it out

00:14:06.120 but because the system they've created it such that it will never get exposed

00:14:09.660 this is not managed to climb this is accelerated collapse stick around natalie i got to play uh

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00:16:12.660 In the South China Sea, national security issues for the United States. If so, why?

00:16:20.000 I'm sorry. Could you repeat the question?

00:16:21.640 Are Taiwan and the South China Sea national security issues for the United States? And if so, why or how?

00:16:28.600 I'm just going to be honest here.

00:16:31.700 I'm not on national security.

00:16:33.740 I'm not that informed on national security, so I do support the military.

00:16:41.080 My brother was in the Air Force for 33 years, so I will do everything I can to support the military.

00:16:49.280 My dad was in the Army.

00:16:51.220 I'm not a polished politician up here.

00:16:53.920 National security is not my thing, not my area of expertise.

00:16:58.600 but I do support the military. That was Senator Darlene Graham of South Carolina,

00:17:03.640 of course, the sister of the late Lindsey Graham. Tuesday night, the only debate before the state's

00:17:07.800 runoff election. Graham addressed her answer on foreign policy in a new interview last night on

00:17:13.440 Fox News. I've said many times, I'm not a politician, certainly not a career politician.

00:17:21.420 I don't speak politician. You know, I was just honest, and I think that's kind of a foreign 0.99

00:17:27.000 concept but i talked to several people today i traveled around the state and they said you know

00:17:32.360 we appreciated the fact that you were honest and i did say several times that you know china is 0.73

00:17:39.640 our our enemy our military and economic threat to the united states of course taiwan is our friend 0.99

00:17:47.980 but i think people in south carolina are more worried about making ends meet they're concerned

00:17:54.360 about boys and girls sports. One lady talked to me extensively about that today. They're concerned

00:18:00.820 about the Second Amendment. They're concerned about the Save America Act. Graham is in a runoff

00:18:08.140 primary election for a full term in the Senate. She's facing Republican Congressman Ralph Norman.

00:18:12.640 That election is coming on Tuesday. Honesty is one thing, but you're trying to be a United States

00:18:21.020 senator for a full term and as her brother would tell her that's a very foreign policy is a very

00:18:26.160 important part of that job and understanding what that is and just one other point about that's not

00:18:30.900 the clip i wanted hang on hang on hang on full stop we'll do this later this afternoon i'll do

00:18:35.700 it in the five o'clock show natalie basically uh she doesn't know taiwan she handed he covered

00:18:41.940 for it last night said well i don't think anybody in america knows where taiwan is uh but he says

00:18:46.940 you are an expert in the middle east so she's got the apex answer to everything this is this is a

00:18:53.180 clown show this is a clown show okay she is not prepared to be on a city commission much less in

00:19:00.720 the senate much less when we have the problems facing the country today natalie uh your thoughts 0.97

00:19:06.000 and observations ma'am i think you're being mean the clowns um you know i guess give her credit 0.85

00:19:12.500 at least she called China a military and economic threat. I guess she's not been well-versed enough 0.93

00:19:16.900 that she's not allowed to say that if you're a member of the Senate because you have to be bought

00:19:20.380 and paid for by them. But I really think shame on Sean Hannity, first and foremost, because

00:19:25.800 he's taking our line, which is that if Democrats cannot put something on a Mac, then we probably

00:19:32.160 shouldn't fund it. But now he's using that to defend inferior candidates and basically justify

00:19:37.300 that we should just fund military expansionism abroad. So I don't like that cultural appropriation

00:19:42.320 Also, Sean, the war room posse can most definitely put Taiwan on a map, can find it and probably even knows all about their semiconductors, their fabs and stuff like that.

00:19:51.220 I think it's probably easier to find than Fox News's justification for another never ending forever Middle East war. 0.98

00:19:57.900 But it's just a clown show. Like, why can't we just have serious leaders that people like that or how the Chinese Communist Party runs circles over us to the point where we're literally funding their military?

00:20:09.040 her brother probably supported it she's just too dumb to you know know that it's going on but you 0.92

00:20:13.240 think Xi Jinping is feared by that no she probably wouldn't even be a janitor uh in the CCP 0.98

00:20:18.740 no but Natalie this gets to your point the most important point what underlies all this it went

00:20:26.980 from managed decline right now it's accelerated because and and because the elites in this country

00:20:32.780 won't address the problems and this is why in this time for the great state of South Carolina

00:20:37.540 you got so many i mean so many patriots there it's the railhead of of so much of maga that you

00:20:44.320 know this is just embarrassing and it's embarrassing on a global scale the spending that you go through

00:20:49.360 and look at it every day is is the congress because right now the cr folks when you talk

00:20:53.640 about the cr and kicking the can down the road when they get back past september 30th and we get

00:20:58.160 to december and that's when we're going to handle it we're not going to get a omnibus we're really

00:21:01.980 going to take care of spending then. This is all Biden and Pelosi spending. We really haven't made

00:21:07.920 any cuts at all. Every time a Russ vote goes to the president, the president puts forth one of

00:21:12.560 these rescission bills, it gets rejected by the Senate. Oh, it's $5 billion. We can't do that

00:21:17.500 because it's USAID programs. We certainly can't do that. Your thoughts about how spending is at

00:21:23.640 the heart is what's burying us. Well, it's sure it's Biden and Pelosi spending, but at what point

00:21:29.880 is it Republican spending, right?

00:21:31.560 They've okayed and continued this for so long.

00:21:34.540 And I think the point of these stories

00:21:36.100 that we're talking about,

00:21:37.640 it's not like we're funding programs

00:21:39.580 for like actual Americans

00:21:41.020 where we're seeing a high ROI.

00:21:43.580 We're paying off basically a violent class of people,

00:21:47.420 illegal and legal otherwise, 0.97

00:21:49.360 subsidizing them and placating them

00:21:51.040 through copious amounts of welfare,

00:21:53.180 a healthcare system that literally doesn't work. 0.51

00:21:55.900 Your former guest is being way too euphemistic

00:21:58.040 to describe that.

00:21:59.440 And from a national defense perspective, I am so sick and tired. Sometimes it's why I hesitate from wanting to even do China reporting, where you see these neocon war hawk, anti-China Republicans co-opt the China issue.

00:22:13.960 The only reason why being anti-China is purportedly bipartisan is because it's the best justification to expand the defense budget. 0.67

00:22:21.540 And look, I would actually like to have a defense department that can counter the Chinese Communist Party. 0.52

00:22:25.980 there are ways to do that. When you look at the parity dollar per dollar spending, our dollar goes 0.54

00:22:31.060 like one-tenth of the way a dollar in China goes because it's being routed through primes that

00:22:35.080 don't do anything. You're paying off this person, that person. It's the military industrial complex,

00:22:39.560 but people use the China threat as an excuse to just inflate budgets. And we see basically no ROI

00:22:45.780 to the point where it takes us what, like three years to build one single tomahawk. Meanwhile,

00:22:49.880 that China's building, China's building multiple a day. So for all this spending, like steel man,

00:22:56.060 the argument, Steve, right, for all the spending that we're told, even then, it's not enough. 0.74

00:23:01.740 It's not enough to counter China. But when you look at the reality, right, where the rubber meets

00:23:05.940 the road, the gap between us, you would say the bit in the ass, none of this ever materializes, 0.99

00:23:09.940 even the steel man version of how they talk so tough on China. You know, I'm so tired of like 0.98

00:23:13.960 the House Select Committee on China, writing letters and writing statements and putting out

00:23:20.060 tweets, basically lifting investigative reporting about CCP ties from other institutions,

00:23:26.100 you have the power to do something about it. So do something about it. You're continuing to fund

00:23:32.500 it. You're not scaring these people by sending them a letter. Take them off the stock market.

00:23:37.400 Actually sanction these institutions. Get their names. Call them out. Call out the Americans who

00:23:42.240 collaborated with them. Literally could cancel. Steve, I list in my article, all 61 papers,

00:23:47.920 the grant numbers, they're hyperlinked. So easy. Cancel all of them today. But our Republicans are

00:23:53.500 a joke. They won't even defund USAID. And I'm sorry, with all the doge cuts, how is all this 0.92

00:23:59.160 stuff still expanding? I thought we canceled billions, if not trillions of dollars. It's all

00:24:04.200 so performative. It makes me sick. But Steve, the other part of this, the domestic ramification,

00:24:10.680 no wonder why people are being pulled to DSA.

00:24:13.560 I mean, first of all, you don't have the cultural backstops,

00:24:15.940 the nuclear families under attack, right?

00:24:17.800 People don't feel like they can buy a house,

00:24:19.440 but we're not doing anything about it.

00:24:21.280 We're just complaining about it.

00:24:22.240 I don't buy the Guardian that Democrats care.

00:24:23.900 The only time they seem to care about spending

00:24:25.360 is if it's for a border wall or something

00:24:26.900 to curtail the amount of future voters

00:24:29.120 that we can import into this country.

00:24:31.160 But they never care about spending.

00:24:32.500 But frankly, our side doesn't either.

00:24:34.340 They just pay lip service to it.

00:24:36.420 These DSA people, they want to increase the spending

00:24:38.420 by God knows how much,

00:24:39.400 but it won't matter because they don't even care about the united states dollar they want to see

00:24:43.380 in their own words the united states collapse from within so that's a win-win for them if you

00:24:48.440 you know maximize the spending the dollar crashes you can't sell treasuries whatever

00:24:52.500 they would say to you steve when you talk about that they'd be like yes that's actually precisely

00:24:56.860 the point right so it's all bad but the problem yes it's democrat yes it's communism yes it's

00:25:02.620 socialism but at the end of the day it's republican and there's probably no better

00:25:07.200 example than darlene graham for two reasons one that we're even putting someone up like that is 1.00

00:25:12.760 just despicable but two she's not that much far off or dumber than most of the people that we 0.70

00:25:21.600 have in there she's just honest right like that's the difference it's not like oh well all other 0.90

00:25:26.920 whatever 50 whatever senators are you know high iq intellectuals who are doing meaningful things

00:25:31.980 to take on the chinese communist party they're not doing anything they're funding it so it's

00:25:36.920 so frustrating and please spare me the communism talking points when these people are literally

00:25:42.740 okaying budgets to subsidize i don't know something called the people's liberation army

00:25:47.260 for the people's republic of china yeah if you look at the the dollar flow there's only one

00:25:52.140 party that's okaying and putting money to these communist institutions and it's not just the

00:25:57.540 democrats uh where do we go to get your sub stack which is free where do people go to sign up

00:26:04.320 you can go to nataliegwinters.substack.com it's free x sometimes censors the china stuff so you

00:26:10.360 gotta check it out on substack too but you can go to x to get the names i encourage people to read

00:26:14.320 the papers to see what your tax dollars are funding these va studies the millions of veterans

00:26:19.240 data that was given to china and we paid for it it's maddening you gotta gotta understand the

00:26:24.540 enemy to defeat them thank you steve for having me on i really appreciate it by the way uh just 0.52

00:26:30.400 give your twitter uh what's your twitter handle although it's suppressed i'm so shocked that elon

00:26:34.520 suppresses a twitter feed about the anti-ccp but where do they go uh natalie g winters thank you

00:26:43.720 thank you ma'am appreciate you always great research tom cotton in 2014 beat his democratic

00:26:51.320 opponent 56% to basically 39%. In 2020, Tom Cotton beat his Democratic opponent 66% to 33%

00:27:03.400 or 67% to 33%. Those are massive wins that you would anticipate the good folks in Arkansas.

00:27:10.480 Right now, there's a poll out. I haven't gone through the depths of the poll

00:27:13.100 from a university down there that his

00:27:16.320 Democratic opponent Haley 0.59

00:27:18.580 Schaffner

00:27:19.940 is within the margin error

00:27:22.180 up on Tom Cotton

00:27:23.960 I think

00:27:27.980 following John

00:27:30.420 Thune's lead in making the

00:27:32.340 Senate make President 0.90

00:27:34.200 Trump a lame duck 0.99

00:27:35.180 the chickens are coming home to roost 0.99

00:27:37.620 also the biggest proponent of the deep state 0.97

00:27:40.400 and the Israel First

00:27:42.360 project in the u.s senate now that lindsey graham has gone to his just reward tom cotton

00:27:48.880 would tom cotton win i don't know probably but right now with what 80 days out he ain't winning

00:27:57.060 according to a poll guy who won by 30 some points last time short break

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00:29:46.140 okay um artificial intelligence the data centers i'm going to break down also best since i think

00:29:55.760 today at five o'clock uh just bear with me what reason i'm saying about tom cotton guy wins by

00:30:03.260 33 points last time he ran nothing's for certain right now this is why don't take it for granted

00:30:09.440 if you put uh if you put graham's sister up that's gonna be a lock in south carolina people

00:30:13.820 well you can't it's impossible in south carolina hey okay look who you got as a democratic nominee

00:30:21.300 in uh in michigan he's up today in a poll from susquehanna by seven i haven't gone through all

00:30:27.520 that so don't don't panic because the other polls have showed rogers up by four or five but

00:30:32.200 data centers data centers in wisconsin got tom tiffany in the lead data centers in ohio have

00:30:38.760 husted losing by i think seven or eight points the data center is a central issue only 15 percent of

00:30:44.980 the american people support the tech oligarchs in doing this anyway all of this at five today

00:30:49.460 come back we're gonna drill down on it um philip patrick you're a site for sore eyes

00:30:55.300 okay the treasury secretary scott besan who you know he was a contributor with you here for years

00:31:02.240 he's doing extraordinary measures we're going to get to why he's doing it but just give us the

00:31:06.180 overall macro. The debt, the deficit took us 200 years to get to a trillion. It took us 90 days

00:31:12.740 to add the last trillion. Sir, as you've warned us about, your thoughts about all this?

00:31:17.320 It's getting to the point where it's unsolvable, certainly without very extreme measures. But you

00:31:24.020 mentioned it's $40 trillion of debt. The problem is we're adding a trillion dollars now to that

00:31:29.360 debt every five months. The big issue is the interest payments, the cost of the debt. That's

00:31:35.040 now our second biggest expense for the country we bring in about five and a half trillion dollars a

00:31:40.000 year our biggest expense is social security cost us one and a half trillion second biggest expense

00:31:46.040 is now interest payments on the debt at 1.25 trillion but the big concern is we're seeing

00:31:51.680 two things happening simultaneously in the current climate one we're adding a trillion dollars every

00:31:58.040 five months so that top line number is getting bigger and bigger but the second thing is the

00:32:03.400 world is simultaneously commanding higher interest to loan us the money. Listen, anybody

00:32:09.460 loaning money to the US government for 30 years today understands that with a $2.1 trillion

00:32:15.620 annual deficit and growing every year, there is going to be significant amounts of liquidity

00:32:21.920 printed over the next 30 years. So they are commanding higher interest, essentially devaluation

00:32:28.840 premiums to loan us the money. We've talked about this many times. Borrowing rates on the long end

00:32:34.820 now, 10-year, 30-year treasuries, are above over 5%. That's the highest level since 2001.

00:32:42.340 So what's Besant been doing? Well, he's been scrambling around trying to prevent the world

00:32:47.380 from selling US debt. We saw it with Japan not long ago. We saw it with the OPEC countries 0.78

00:32:54.600 earlier this year. Extraordinary measures to prevent the sell-off from US debt. He's also

00:33:00.340 trying to move a ton of the debt from the longer term to short-term T-bills, essentially that are

00:33:06.400 due in a year or less. Why? Demand is still there. Borrowing rates are below 4%. This is the biggest

00:33:13.680 juggling act in history. But the reality is this, the numbers do not look good. Today, interest

00:33:20.840 payments on the debt alone are taking up about 25 percent of our total revenue 25 percent one in

00:33:28.320 every four dollars that we generate just going to interest that's unproductive money but the problem

00:33:34.480 is at current trajectory is we're adding two trillion a year and as the world is commanding

00:33:40.380 higher interest it's projected that i think within less than a decade now interest payments on the

00:33:46.180 debt will constitute 50% of our revenue. And a country cannot function in that scenario. And it

00:33:53.020 brings me back to the sort of Ferguson example. This has happened at some point to every great

00:33:59.880 empire in history. And the tipping point is typically when interest payments exceed defense

00:34:06.140 spending. We did that officially last year. So the problem is mounting every single day. And

00:34:13.840 besant is doing such an incredible job he's basically become the world's number one bond

00:34:19.360 salesman imagine if you gave this guy a better product to sell how good how good a job he could

00:34:26.040 do but the problem is a almost unsolvable today steve when you say unsolvable i mean folks take

00:34:37.420 your number two pencil out and write that down let's go back to that scott besant who is a

00:34:43.520 global capital market specialist and folks realize that and his hair is never on fire

00:34:48.020 he's taking extraordinary efforts to make sure people don't bail that because of their current

00:34:54.800 financial problems they're not cashing in their treasuries to generate cash for themselves this

00:35:00.660 is why he intervened in the japanese bond market this is why he gave a basically i guess a lifeline

00:35:06.720 to uae uh at the beginning of the war in the first couple of months of the war uh this is why now

00:35:12.820 These are relatively small, but it's incentives, and it's pretty extraordinary for the Treasury to do that because we have a house of cards, the largest I've warned about for a long time, the global margin call.

00:35:32.840 We have $300 trillion of debt in every aspect throughout the world.

00:35:38.260 And, you know, my fear is to have a global margin call.

00:35:42.540 When you have it in the bond market, it's going to make 1929, which was really an equity crisis at first, 2008, which was derivatives.

00:35:52.680 Now you're going to have the thing to the central beating heart of what provides financing all over the world.

00:35:58.120 the the central part of that is the 30 trillion dollar u.s treasury market but then you've got

00:36:02.500 also so many other type of debt instruments we are playing with fire we are playing with fire

00:36:09.900 and now we have to come up what what scott is doing and correct me if i'm wrong here because

00:36:14.860 he's trying to figure out how to deal with an emergency that doesn't become a crisis correct

00:36:21.200 but we have to get down to more basic solutions here. Scott's juggling. He's like juggling knives

00:36:29.820 right now. Okay. And hoping one doesn't cut his hand or fall, but that's not the solution. That's

00:36:36.520 just a, this, these are all stop gap measures. Am I correct on that? Philip Patrick. Yeah,

00:36:41.640 he's buying us time. Right. And he's doing an incredibly good job of buying us time. The problem

00:36:46.220 is you know where are the solutions right you can raise taxes and essentially increase the amount of

00:36:52.980 revenue coming in that can come through economic boom and gdp growth as well you can curb spending

00:36:59.720 which there doesn't appear to be any political will to do or ultimately and and sadly the longer

00:37:06.800 this goes on and particularly as we watch the politics unfold sadly the third option is the

00:37:12.260 central bank steps in and essentially creates a climate of financial repression where they have

00:37:16.860 to keep interest rates artificially low and ultimately inflate the value of the debt away

00:37:23.600 the problem is savers like us americans hard-working americans we're the ones that

00:37:29.780 ultimately foot that bill so outside of growth and it would need to be exponential growth there

00:37:37.040 isn't really a soft way out of this where we don't end up footing the big the big beautiful bill was

00:37:43.400 a bet on we're going to grow or at least going to grow ahead of this to stay ahead of it like on a

00:37:49.060 treadmill uh that has that was coming to fruition before the uh the persian war the iranian war and

00:37:57.380 we have to face that that's just a fact that's a demonstrable fact um whether you can grow your

00:38:02.600 way out of not not today with the turbulence in the global energy markets etc and the increased

00:38:09.740 interest rates for everybody suppressing growth because that's essentially uh redirecting capital

00:38:15.920 right from more productive means uh into paying interest in all this i don't i don't want to bury

00:38:22.620 the lead here i want to go back take your number two pencil out and write down financial repression

00:38:29.180 new concept that you got to understand because um this the more that this starts to look like

00:38:38.940 the weimar republic right you have to understand what came after because folks as i predicted in

00:38:47.460 2008 in 2009 when i made the film generation zero you're going to have a populist reaction

00:38:54.480 to the bailouts of 2008. And guess what? We got a populist reaction. President Trump. I also

00:39:00.520 warned for years that the future of the country's politics of populism, on one side, you're going to

00:39:05.920 have Donnie and Mangione. That's a revolutionary Marxist jihadist, and their solution is

00:39:12.780 spend it all. Let's cause a crisis. We'll step in and take it over. The other is populist

00:39:18.880 nationalism but we have to have a solution to this part part of it is uh you have to have a

00:39:25.040 massive cut in federal spending part of that is you can't have a global empire all over hell's

00:39:30.660 half acre paying for when nobody else is helping you this is this gets to be the middle east it's

00:39:38.260 one of the reasons we spent what nine trillion dollars already in failed wars over there

00:39:42.100 we should learn the lesson of hemispheric defense the central pacific the three island chain

00:39:47.860 confront the Chinese Communist Party and Bob's your uncle. I want to go back. The term financial 0.76

00:39:54.140 repression, what does it mean and how is it going to manifest itself that this audience will start

00:39:59.700 to see it coming down the road? We've seen it before in the United States in sort of middle

00:40:06.040 of World War II, 1942 to 1951. This was when the Treasury and the Fed worked together to cap

00:40:12.460 government debt rates. And that's really what financial repression is. Essentially, back then,

00:40:17.940 we had this enormous wartime burden. So rather than allowing the free markets to dictate longer

00:40:23.180 term interest rate, we actively manage the price of money. And let's say, you know, inflation's

00:40:28.680 running at 5%, they'll cap the interest rate on bonds at, let's say, 3%. So technically,

00:40:35.180 they haven't defaulted on debt, right? You know, you're getting every single dollar bill that you

00:40:40.220 a promise but in inflation adjusted terms we're losing purchasing power by holding debt in extreme

00:40:46.880 scenarios they may legislate requirements to hold a percentage of our portfolio in government debt

00:40:53.020 to control that interest rate but ultimately we're bearing the cost right because our money's growing

00:40:58.360 at x inflation's running at y we're losing purchasing power that's how you see purchasing

00:41:04.180 power dissipate over time. By the way, in the process, they're also eroding the value of the

00:41:10.560 debt, right? So it's a form of debt management as well. But we as American citizens are the ones

00:41:16.040 that ultimately bear the cost. We've seen this. I mean, look at Japan. They had two lost decades

00:41:21.340 on the back of financial repression, and they're just beginning to get out of that now. It's where

00:41:27.140 we're heading. It's the only scenario that I can see outside of very extreme measures. Like I said,

00:41:34.040 curbing spending being perhaps the most important but as Natalie said previously this is a problem

00:41:39.940 now on both sides of the aisle there isn't a desire to do it I just want to make sure I

00:41:46.140 understand something you're saying that the program potentially it's not here today but

00:41:50.640 we've done it before the financial repression is not an extreme measure there's more extreme

00:41:56.380 measures beyond that listen it's the the problems that we have i'm starting to have the belief that

00:42:05.380 it is literally becoming an unsolvable problem and now all we're trying to do is buy more and

00:42:12.260 more and more time that that's the way that i see it but this is a ticking time bomb as soon as debt

00:42:18.920 service but you know every year it's becoming a larger and larger and larger share of our revenue

00:42:23.720 This is money that's completely unproductive. It becomes impossible for a country to function. And we are hurtling down that path so, so fast. Our only hope is just massive productivity increases from AI. And that in on itself is frightening.

00:42:40.860 You know, we've spent $750 billion on infrastructure with $150 billion of profit this year.

00:42:48.980 It's an, you know, if that's what we're relying on to get us out of this mess, it's an absolute

00:42:54.160 disaster.

00:42:54.960 I'm losing faith fast.

00:42:56.840 This is why I talk about the bet we've got is a highly leveraged bet, not just at the

00:43:02.420 government level, but also at the company level, a highly leveraged bet on productivity

00:43:06.660 increases from artificial intelligence without, don't, don't, wait for it, concomitant mass

00:43:13.400 layoffs and high-value-added jobs like STEM workers. Anyway, Philip, stick around.

00:43:20.760 You've got to face reality here, folks. I am not a black pillar. We can fight our way out of this,

00:43:28.820 but we have to be adults and grown-ups. The happy talk has to cease. Philip Patrick on the other

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00:46:16.420 I'm really glad we started into the dollar empire

00:46:19.660 um what five years ago six years ago gold i think was roughly a thousand bucks 1100 announced right

00:46:27.620 now it's at 4500 but that's not the point the point is not the daily price the point is where

00:46:34.180 this is all headed uh what advice are you giving your biggest clients today because i know the

00:46:39.260 central banks of the world is saying hey look maybe i got too many dollar denominated you know

00:46:45.780 with security. Maybe I don't buy any more treasuries. Maybe I want to get my hands on

00:46:51.360 some gold. What's your advice to clients right now? Yeah, look, I think it's just to understand

00:46:58.640 what is happening. I think what we talked about in the previous segment, that is hands down the

00:47:04.300 biggest argument for gold today. And it's why central banks are buying in record quantities.

00:47:11.280 At the end of the day, I think there is a realization around the globe that we in the

00:47:14.880 United States now are trapped. What we're not going to do is what countries like Argentina do,

00:47:20.560 who default on the debt, right? When Argentina owe money, they owe it in US dollars, they put

00:47:26.120 their hands up, they say, we can't pay it, they default, the economy plummets, inflation goes

00:47:31.300 through the roof, and they bring the problem forward. We are the prime reserve currency,

00:47:35.680 we're the biggest economy on the planet today. We're not going to ever default on our debt

00:47:40.340 obligations we owe that money in u.s dollars what we are going to do instead is keep printing money

00:47:46.660 to meet deficits and in the process we devalue currency and we also like i said before devalue

00:47:53.640 the debt burden as well but the problem is for hard-working americans and savers in particular

00:47:59.360 it punishes us so i think that is the biggest argument for metal at the end of the day as long

00:48:06.600 as we are continuing to print deficits the dollar will lose value longer term and gold prices will

00:48:12.820 go up and it will not be linear there will be things in the new cycle that strengthen or weaken

00:48:17.260 the dollar and do the same to gold but ultimately the trajectory will be up as long as those

00:48:22.980 fundamentals are in place central banks realize it it's why they've set records for gold buying

00:48:28.480 last four and a half years biggest four and a half years in world history for central banks

00:48:34.280 not in consecutive order but one two three and four if that doesn't tell people something i don't

00:48:40.980 know what else is but will but the writing is on the wall and i think it's prudent for everybody

00:48:46.600 to have a portion of their retirement in metals ultimately central banks are doing it that's the

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00:49:42.600 wow at the night of five i'm going to break this all down scott besson's uh turn scott

00:49:49.980 just said moments ago he thinks it's highly unlikely we will restart major combat operations

00:49:58.260 in persia but that economic warfare d-day is coming so we're going to get into all that

00:50:04.820 this afternoon at uh at five and more kimberly fletcher is going to join us uh it's going to be

00:50:10.580 a great hour charlie kirk's next you got poso coming on you got the whole thing you got gruber

00:50:14.940 bowling and back to us eric metaxas i started the day talking about republic ending there were 32

00:50:21.920 2,000 combat troops on Staten Island, including 8,000 Hessian mercenaries preparing, prepping

00:50:29.100 for an invasion, either through Perth Amboy in New Jersey side or over to Long Island.

00:50:34.840 It was republic-ending warfare that was, the storm clouds were there.

00:50:39.440 It was coming, you know, this independent collection of independent states that just

00:50:44.660 declared their independence on the 4th of July are now facing an existential crisis

00:50:49.760 like we are here in the United States today. This debt is republic ending.

00:50:54.220 Why is the book revolution necessary now for people to understand, sir?

00:50:58.880 Well, thanks for teeing that up because first of all, that's the point, right?

00:51:03.480 We need a miracle. Washington understood he needed, they needed miracles. He understood this,

00:51:10.560 okay? Moses backed up against the Red Sea, understood we need a miracle. You don't know

00:51:15.940 when the miracle comes, how it comes, the details, you know, in the meantime, your job is to fight

00:51:22.880 and pray, right? You don't just pray, but you also don't just fight. Washington really understood

00:51:30.720 that apart from God, there's no way they could win. But if God has called you to the fight,

00:51:38.100 if God is with you in the war, you know, he wants you to win and he's with you, but you have to do

00:51:44.440 your job. So I'll tell you, Steve, it's so interesting. Obviously, in my book, I give

00:51:49.360 all the details on the war and whatever. I mean, I want to give tours at some point because it's

00:51:53.580 so fascinating. It happened right here in New York. But I got to say, I mean, I'm speaking

00:51:57.780 all over the country. I was just in San Jose speaking in a church. And so many people come

00:52:02.160 up to me in the book line. Thank you for being on War Room. I'm so glad Steve has you on War Room.

00:52:06.960 I go, do you go to this church? No, but we heard you were going to be here. So we're here this

00:52:10.940 morning. The reason I'm saying this, other than that it's just fun, you cannot separate the war

00:52:18.120 we're in from the God of the Bible. In other words, it's one thing we're going to talk about

00:52:22.240 debt. We're going to talk about debt. We all have to know about that. And we have to fight on every

00:52:26.360 single front. And that's what you do on this program. But one other front, which you also

00:52:31.820 talk about, and I'm talking about it now, is spiritually, people need to turn their hearts

00:52:37.360 to God. We would have never come to the American Revolution if not for the revival spawned by

00:52:43.880 George Whitefield's evangelical preaching up and down the 13 colonies, where people turn their

00:52:49.500 hearts to Jesus. When you turn your heart to Jesus, something happens. The fire comes into you,

00:52:56.360 whereas before you're like, I don't know, what do we do? You're a black pillar. Now you know with 1.00

00:53:00.680 God all things are possible. I think we have to say that. People need to understand there's

00:53:05.540 something to get excited about in the midst of the war eric we gotta we gotta heart out the books

00:53:10.820 one more week in the new york times bestseller list go to amazon.com the book is revolution

00:53:15.600 look forward to having you back on tomorrow eric metaxas charlie kirk's next we're back at five

00:53:20.920 check us out

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