Bannon's War Room - September 28, 2026


Episode 5696: Why Are We Flattering The Globalists

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00:00:00.000 did in their heyday seven that's four there easily bring venezuela from one now what they're doing
00:00:04.640 now their heyday was three there's your six million that fills the gap and then you bring
00:00:08.800 in some of the you mentioned guy under the gas deposits fracking maybe maybe drill on our
00:00:15.680 alaska north slope crude used to be a massive provider of oil for us right now texas is number
00:00:20.560 one new mexico is number two alaska used to be number one we can do that again when we do that
00:00:26.080 Steve, the American president becomes the most powerful human being, he already is on the planet,
00:00:30.240 but he has the power to make or break any economy on the planet. Can you imagine that power?
00:00:36.240 That supersedes any other sort of nuclear power you could possibly have, because you could do it
00:00:40.160 without a gunshot fired just by the barrel. I haven't had a chance to ask you, because we
00:00:46.640 haven't had a chance to have you on the show recently, but this diesel, stop exporting diesel,
00:00:51.200 which I've advocated from day one, and also cut the federal tax on this
00:00:55.800 as we get through the remainder, whatever remains of this war.
00:00:59.140 Of course, Scott Besson said yesterday on TV,
00:01:02.700 these guys have got two or three weeks until basically you're near economic collapse.
00:01:07.160 What are your thoughts about diesel, and what are your thoughts about the federal gas tax?
00:01:10.300 Diesel at 650 is hugely problematic.
00:01:13.260 If you remember early on, I sent it to Susie Wiles and Hexf and Miller,
00:01:19.160 or just drop the federal gas tax.
00:01:21.140 The problem is it's only $0.18 a gallon for gasoline,
00:01:23.620 maybe $0.25 a gallon for diesel.
00:01:25.380 It's not going to be enough.
00:01:27.280 You need governors to drop their state tax. 0.55
00:01:31.040 That's where the real meat of tax on fuel comes from at the state level.
00:01:34.940 So you're not going to get California to do it,
00:01:37.040 but you'll possibly get some red states.
00:01:38.680 Maybe people move to the red states for the cheaper fuel.
00:01:42.020 It's got to be an all-hands-on-deck effort.
00:01:45.720 I'm telling you, Louisiana, Mississippi, those refineries are already tooled out to take more Venezuelan sour-heavy crude.
00:01:55.360 We can fix this problem very quickly.
00:01:58.520 Part of it is what he's going to do with Dulce Rodriguez.
00:02:00.600 I hope he gets more oil.
00:02:01.880 He's got 17 oil fields for 100 years.
00:02:05.100 I think we need the whole Venezuelan.
00:02:07.620 They have 300 billion barrels of reserves, the biggest in the world, under their soil.
00:02:12.060 Number one, bigger than Saudi Arabia, Russia, United States, or anywhere else in Venezuela.
00:02:18.680 We should be tapping into that.
00:02:21.120 That's where we go.
00:02:22.100 You see, Eric, before I let you go, I love the fact.
00:02:25.260 I didn't get it from the White House.
00:02:26.520 I talked to my trader buddies.
00:02:28.160 The word always gets to the traders first, right?
00:02:31.820 They don't write that in the Harvard textbook, Steve.
00:02:35.740 No, they don't.
00:02:37.400 Eric Bolling, thank you so much, brother.
00:02:39.120 Appreciate it.
00:02:39.540 Thank you, Steve.
00:02:39.820 Always love doing the handoffs.
00:02:40.480 Love the handoffs.
00:02:41.100 Thank you, sir.
00:02:42.740 Thank you, brother.
00:02:45.700 We've got a little bit of a cold open.
00:02:47.540 Here's what I want to do before I play the cold open.
00:02:49.440 I've got Neil.
00:02:50.760 Of course, the New York Times is all over.
00:02:52.440 A huge story on Real America's Voice.
00:02:56.740 Of course, they don't have the picture of Parker Sig, who's leading this ever.
00:03:01.280 They don't have a picture of your humble servant.
00:03:04.740 The big, huge picture is Neil McCabe.
00:03:10.980 I'll just let that sit.
00:03:12.060 We're going to talk about what happened at the Oval Day, 2 o'clock.
00:03:14.680 Wasn't about AI.
00:03:15.520 It was about steel that we like much better.
00:03:18.240 Parker's going to join us.
00:03:19.660 Neil's with us.
00:03:20.400 Tony Lyons, huge.
00:03:21.460 So tomorrow is going to be cray-cray.
00:03:23.680 We've got the hearing at Jack Smith in front of Oversight.
00:03:29.240 We have a all-day Make America Healthy Again conference.
00:03:33.460 And, of course, I'm having DeGrasse and Caroline come in.
00:03:37.000 We're going to break down and get into the details, show you the receipts
00:03:39.640 and where we actually stand in all of this, in all of this, everything in the next 30-some days
00:03:46.520 must be delivered or we're going to serve up the House and the Senate.
00:03:50.680 No need to serve that up.
00:03:51.960 We're going to rewind so much that's been done that's great.
00:03:56.400 Let's go ahead and play.
00:03:57.140 We've got a cold open.
00:03:58.120 We've started the show already.
00:03:59.080 Let's go ahead and play the cold open from the Oval Office today.
00:04:03.980 Let's go ahead and play that, and then we're going to bring in our own Neal McCabe.
00:04:07.060 Today we're thrilled to announce that Mesabi Metallics will be building the largest steel plant in American history in the great state of Iowa.
00:04:16.720 It's the largest plant, one of the largest plants in the world, but it's the largest plant in America by far.
00:04:23.220 We're also pleased to be joined by Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnik, Secretary of Energy Chris Wright,
00:04:29.880 Senator Joni Ernst, who's done a wonderful job, and I'm going to miss you, Joni.
00:04:34.020 I can't believe you. But you are right. Are you sure?
00:04:41.620 Thank you, Mr. President. Governor Kim Reynolds, representatives Marionette Miller-Meeks and Ashley Hinson.
00:04:49.140 And I saw some good polls just recently. You're doing well, Ashley. I saw that. Looks like you're doing well. You should do well.
00:04:56.920 Iowa Attorney General Brenna Byrne has been with me right from the beginning and Export-Import Bank Chairman John Jovanovic.
00:05:04.020 who is a fantastic young man, actually.
00:05:09.300 Once completed,
00:05:10.500 Masabi Metallic's new steel plant
00:05:12.420 will produce 10 million tons of steel per year
00:05:15.460 using iron ore from the company's Minnesota mine.
00:05:19.480 And Minnesota has, I will tell you,
00:05:21.040 they maybe have a lousy governor,
00:05:22.400 but they have great iron ore.
00:05:24.380 They have one of the worst governors in history. 1.00
00:05:27.060 A real stupid guy. 1.00
00:05:29.060 But they do have good iron ore, 1.00
00:05:30.720 which is more important, I guess.
00:05:31.980 But it's the first new iron ore mine in the United States in more than 50 years with the highest quality ore.
00:05:40.560 In other words, this year will be mined, melted, and made right here in the USA, which is something very unusual.
00:05:47.420 The project is expected to create up to 6,000 new construction jobs, nearly 2,000 manufacturing or mining jobs,
00:05:56.240 and add another $95 billion to the U.S. economy,
00:06:00.540 which is the number one economy in the world by far.
00:06:03.740 Aluminum, farming, dairy is a crazy triple digits on the dairy tariffs.
00:06:09.900 And the problem is, who have, sir, is the airbends?
00:06:13.080 Those tariffs are as high as like 400% sometimes.
00:06:17.580 Peter, go ahead, sir.
00:06:18.300 Yeah, it's just, I go back to the first term, sir, dealing with the Canadians. 0.99
00:06:22.560 They were the most difficult and arrogant of the traders. 0.88
00:06:25.180 It's like the Canadian people are wonderful, but they cheat us on just about everything they can. 0.64
00:06:30.600 Lumber, aluminum, steel, dairy, down the list. 0.99
00:06:35.820 And then the worst part now is they're getting in bed with China, trying to play China against us.
00:06:41.780 And they're giving away their country. 0.83
00:06:43.700 And they like to beat up on Donald Trump.
00:06:45.820 I think politically that works.
00:06:47.620 And the only people who get hurt by that is the people of Canada.
00:06:51.000 And many, many people are going into Canada right now.
00:06:55.180 It is the 29th of 28th, Monday, 28th, September.
00:07:01.080 Don't get ahead of yourself here, Steve.
00:07:02.600 28th, September, Year of Alert, 2026.
00:07:06.600 Tomorrow is going to be one of the, first off, you've got the AI conference.
00:07:10.100 You have the Make America Healthy Again conference.
00:07:12.700 We have oversight hearing of the grilling, hopefully, of Jack Smith.
00:07:16.180 I don't know why Jack Smith is still walking around, but we'll get to all that.
00:07:20.640 So tomorrow is absolutely packed.
00:07:22.340 We're going to start the day.
00:07:23.940 We're going to have both Wren and DeGrasse is going to be here.
00:07:30.060 Alex is going to be here.
00:07:30.720 We're going to break down both the House and the Senate, what needs to be done,
00:07:33.600 where the grassroots can put their shoulders to the wheel because we can.
00:07:38.260 I realize as much as people are disappointed and some people are very, very, very disappointed,
00:07:44.580 if you're going to go back and when you reverse this, you're going to go back and you're never going to get it back.
00:07:50.820 Once they reverse what's been done in the House, executive orders cut off the funding, and they're going to cut off all the funding.
00:07:56.540 You're going to see them shutting down the government.
00:07:58.160 You watch.
00:07:58.740 It's just going to be chaos, and the country right now can't take two years of chaos.
00:08:04.420 Let's go to Neil.
00:08:05.060 We've got Neil McCabe.
00:08:06.060 And tell me when Parker's ready.
00:08:07.200 We're going to talk more about everything we're doing and the huge sign-ups we've gotten for the live stream on the pool feed.
00:08:15.760 You're getting the same pool feed.
00:08:16.820 Independent media is getting the same pool feed that the mainstream media gets.
00:08:21.640 And now with the notes and kind of the way we're framing it so people can actually understand what's going on and see it with their own eyes with disintermediate the mainstream media for the next orders of the world.
00:08:33.680 And people are using it to really drive traffic to their their pages as they should or to their Twitter feeds as they as they should.
00:08:42.460 Neil McCabe, a bunch going on tomorrow.
00:08:44.280 First off, how did you rate, and Parker tells me he loves the picture.
00:08:48.360 It's a lovely photo.
00:08:49.380 In fact, it's a very powerful photo.
00:08:51.140 It's one of the best I've seen.
00:08:52.860 How do you, the Parker, you know, he's working nonstop all weekend.
00:08:58.140 Poso and I promoting this thing nonstop.
00:09:00.480 It's Neil McCabe that gets the beautiful shot in the New York Times,
00:09:04.460 staying there doing your stand-up for the war room, sir.
00:09:08.320 Yeah, everybody complains about it, Steve.
00:09:10.220 But the fact of the matter is the handsome guy is always going to be in the photo.
00:09:14.980 I mean, it's just the way it is.
00:09:16.120 It's just like I could argue about journalism, this, that or the other thing.
00:09:20.280 But when you have a gorgeous face and steely blue eyes, who gets in the New York Times?
00:09:25.300 Me.
00:09:26.240 OK, you just you just answered my question.
00:09:28.680 That's what I need to know.
00:09:29.740 Talk to me about what's what's the grumbling behind the scenes.
00:09:33.560 Put me in the room because the MSNBC and CNN can't give it up and the New York Times can't give it up.
00:09:40.060 They're so outraged that a small organization was able to do this and actually do it much better than they could, sir.
00:09:48.720 Yeah, I'll also say that a lot of RAV success pulling this off is because RAV is invested in technology, right?
00:09:57.680 Our booths are up to date.
00:09:59.500 It's modern, you know, modern equipment.
00:10:02.180 And there's a live view backpack that replaced the satellite truck.
00:10:07.540 And so back in the day, when you're dealing with satellite trucks and dishes and everything else, yeah, it was a problem and you needed a big corporation.
00:10:15.360 But that just isn't true anymore.
00:10:17.980 And so Rav is able to do the job that everyone else can do and no one can tell the difference.
00:10:23.560 The cartel media is just flipping out.
00:10:26.400 They're wailing and ganashing their teeth.
00:10:28.340 And in the New York Times, the former president of the White House Correspondents Association said that at one point, Rav put the president's life in danger because of their coverage.
00:10:39.380 And I was thinking, really? You mean like that dinner you hosted for him earlier this year?
00:10:45.100 It's it's the dinner with no security, the dinner with the shotgun.
00:10:50.960 Go ahead. Fine. Fine with me.
00:10:53.300 I mean, the only reason they caught that guy is because he tripped, right?
00:10:56.780 Which is also insane.
00:10:59.100 But whatever.
00:11:00.580 Not my job.
00:11:01.720 So the cartel media is flipping out.
00:11:05.560 They're resentful because there's, you know, I don't want to say sense of entitlement,
00:11:10.280 but there was a sense of professional superiority.
00:11:14.840 And, you know, you see these events.
00:11:16.780 So let's say it's a Rose Garden event.
00:11:18.280 And they say, okay, everybody get, you know, everybody show up for this Rose Garden event.
00:11:22.920 And so you have, you know, 50 or 100 people just sort of scrammed into this crowd, elbowing each other.
00:11:30.120 And then the pool guys, they start at the back and they just say, excuse me, pool, pool, excuse me, I'm pool.
00:11:38.460 And they just knock everybody over.
00:11:40.320 And it's like, because that's just the way they are.
00:11:42.540 They're like these oligarchs or potentates and they've been dethroned, Steve.
00:11:47.360 They really do.
00:11:48.780 I realize you're being a gentleman as you are.
00:11:51.960 They do have a sense of entitlement.
00:11:54.540 It's not simply in superiority.
00:11:56.220 They think they're entitled to basically curate the message that the president of the United States is giving to the American people.
00:12:04.240 And what the pool is supposed to do is be there and show all the activities, all the events with no filter.
00:12:10.940 And that's what we've done.
00:12:12.040 And I think, Rav, it's better color, better cameras.
00:12:14.300 And now with the with the rav rav pool dot org, you go there, you sign up for the for the the notes, you sign up there for how you can contextualize exactly where these photos taking place.
00:12:28.400 it makes independent journalists and particularly people that are on social media it gives them
00:12:34.180 a a constant flow of high quality content that they can then take a take and put their you know
00:12:40.680 their their contextual uh meaning onto what's going on neil neil mccabe well as a good catholic
00:12:48.600 i'm not thrilled with the invention of the printing press because it tended to overturn a
00:12:53.600 lot of my world but there was a decentralization of this technology that empowers other people
00:13:01.160 and so maybe not talk about Guggenheim but talk about Thomas Paine and that's kind of where we're
00:13:06.840 at and you know these guys they they really did strut around here with that attitude and it was
00:13:14.580 uh it was I don't want to say obnoxious because that wouldn't be polite but there definitely was
00:13:19.860 that chip on their shoulder that they were part of a different class or cast,
00:13:24.900 and it's completely overturned because we've solved the mystery, right?
00:13:31.040 They're not that special.
00:13:32.340 They're actually mortals like everybody else,
00:13:34.140 and we actually excel because our guys are running and gunning
00:13:38.140 with fantastic equipment and a fantastic attitude.
00:13:43.140 Neil, hang on.
00:13:44.780 We're going to try to get Parker up.
00:13:46.000 I also got Tony Lyons.
00:13:47.440 You're going to give us a summary of what's going to happen tomorrow.
00:13:50.380 We're going to have all-day coverage of the Jack Smith hearing.
00:13:52.880 We're going to have all-day coverage of Make America Healthy Again.
00:13:55.720 Plus, we're going to cut into, as soon as they go public with the AI conference,
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00:16:18.640 Rahim Kassam joins us today from the United Kingdom.
00:16:21.780 Rahim, you just informed me, I guess, shortly ago,
00:16:28.000 they just released the five individuals that were rounded up yesterday
00:16:31.940 about this supposed terrorist attack at this American Air Force base in the United Kingdom?
00:16:39.540 Yeah, that's right, Steve. Just a couple of moments ago, in fact, we got a notification that
00:16:44.480 the police had released on bail the people that they had arrested yesterday near RAF Fairford,
00:16:52.140 which is that joint U.S.-U.K. base where they base the U.S. bombers out of. And it's a bizarre
00:16:59.340 situation, because obviously we're used to the police in this country, kind of slow rolling
00:17:04.540 information as it pertains to issues like this, even when there is a massive public interest and
00:17:09.540 obviously massive public threat. They had evacuated the local area. People had to stay in hotels last
00:17:16.020 night. And today they come out and they say that the investigation isn't over. But these men have
00:17:21.560 been released on bail, although they also have stringent conditions on their movement
00:17:28.760 and stringent conditions on contact with others. The police concluded by saying they're now pursuing
00:17:36.660 multiple lines of inquiry. Well, if they're released on bail, you have to be charged with
00:17:43.860 something, right? You have to be charged to then set a bail. Do we know, have they released what
00:17:49.820 they were actually charged with? Yeah, they have said that they were charged with the attempt to
00:17:58.420 effectively produce a terror attack. That can be several things, by the way. That can be
00:18:05.800 an explosives charge in that they simply were driving around with explosives they weren't
00:18:11.300 supposed to have. The terror legislation in this country is quite broad and can pertain to all
00:18:16.660 sorts of things. But they were driving these fuel vans, these three fuel vans around. And it's not
00:18:23.560 clear that they were real company vans. The press in this country has attempted to find the company
00:18:29.500 that was listed on the side of the vehicles. There is no such company. And so the whole situation
00:18:35.540 for most people right here, right now, and I say this as somebody who's following it
00:18:39.580 extremely closely, extremely intently, with a whole team around me doing the same,
00:18:43.420 is that everyone's baffled.
00:18:47.380 How could you, riddle me this,
00:18:50.820 how could you be charged over the weekend
00:18:52.600 with some sort of at least charge about
00:18:55.640 either instigating terrorism, a terrorist attack,
00:18:59.420 or planning a terrorist attack,
00:19:01.040 or somehow being involved and get, they said bail.
00:19:04.540 How can you let people go?
00:19:07.420 It's like mind boggling.
00:19:09.240 How could they let these individuals go?
00:19:11.300 What is the situation here with these courts?
00:19:13.420 Well, let me give you an example. So I believe this was heard in Westminster Magistrates' Court. And Westminster Magistrates' Court, one of the magistrates there, one of the judges, is a chap called Tanwir Ikram.
00:19:25.720 And Tanwur Ikram last year released, or rather they were charged and sentenced these Palestine solidarity activists in London who were marching around with Hamas-style paragliders.
00:19:42.960 They were subsequently found guilty of doing that. But the magistrate, this Tanwar Ikram, effectively sentenced them to a 12-month conditional discharge, which meant they served no time for the crime.
00:20:00.120 they were found guilty of. Another terror legislation charge, by the way. And to add
00:20:07.480 to that one of the most heinous things I think I've seen in a long time, this magistrate,
00:20:15.020 Tanwe Ekram, was then found having liked a post on LinkedIn, and I'm going to read it to you here, 0.76
00:20:21.880 that said, free, free Palestine to the Israeli terrorists, both in the United Kingdom,
00:20:27.240 the United States, and of course Israel. You can run, you can bomb, but you cannot hide. 0.94
00:20:33.440 Justice will be coming for you. He wasn't reprimanded. He said that he simply made a
00:20:39.720 mistake in liking that post. And so I'm not accusing Tanwar Ikram of doing anything in this
00:20:45.420 case. In fact, I don't even know yet if he was the magistrate in this case. But that gives you,
00:20:51.300 and it's a very small magistrate's court, it gives you an example of precisely how the court system
00:20:56.740 works here in London. It's small, but a lot of important cases come because of Westminster.
00:21:04.160 How are magistrate judges selected? Is this a Labour government selecting these? Is there
00:21:08.880 some sort of process of their selection that they have to go through confirmation like you do here
00:21:13.560 in the States and get blue slip here so that the minority in this case, Nigel Farage or the Tory
00:21:21.180 Party can stand up to? How are these judges picked? You know, that's a question for the
00:21:26.900 legally minded. I'm not entirely aware of how the magistrates court select their magistrates,
00:21:31.940 but the fact that he was caught doing this and faced no penalty suggests that the court system
00:21:39.640 itself, and of course, you know, people know this. One of the things you hear all over this country
00:21:44.360 at the moment is that there isn't an effective sentencing counsel. There isn't an effective
00:21:50.480 court system. You know, the backlog is extraordinary. We have no prison places left in
00:21:55.020 this country. And the Labour government refuses to build any more capacity. It's a broken system,
00:22:03.120 a completely broken system. And so to remove these people, I'm sure would be extremely,
00:22:08.700 extremely difficult. We still get videos all the time that Christians praying outside of 0.99
00:22:15.060 abortion centers are rounded up. Tommy Robinson, I think, was stopped the other day for like the
00:22:19.840 fourth time his phones and everything were taken. Is the system weighted against people that
00:22:27.540 heretofore thought they had free speech liberty in the United Kingdom, that even Christians praying 0.93
00:22:33.060 outside of abortion clinics or people demonstrating against this Islamic takeover 0.90
00:22:38.820 are the ones that are targeted, whereas the Islamists, I mean, it's kind of mind-boggling
00:22:42.760 that somebody that was associated with a terrorist attack that's actually charged with some element 0.78
00:22:48.920 associated with it, and bail set can be let out in 24 hours. I mean, people are pretty gobsmacked
00:22:56.600 about that, sir. I mean, if you wanted to create mass panic, that's one of the ways to create it,
00:23:03.080 right? Because they haven't given any further information as to how these people can move
00:23:07.300 about. They've said the conditions on their movement. What conditions on their movement?
00:23:10.860 Where can they go? These people were from London. This attack happened, or attempted attack,
00:23:15.280 as we're told happened uh some some two hours outside london so is it there is it here um you
00:23:21.760 know it just completely unclear um extremely little detail that we're being given um and and
00:23:29.840 you know you talk about the the social contract effectively right that how that's all uh broken
00:23:37.520 down people i mean people will remember the case of henry novak right whose whose last words uh
00:23:43.840 you know, well, I think I've been stabbed, and the police said to him, don't think you have me.
00:23:49.460 There is multi-tiered policing and multi-tiered justice going on in the United Kingdom.
00:23:56.440 And of course, it's more than just talking about Islam and the way minorities are treated. 0.55
00:24:04.360 You have to talk about specifically how white people are being treated as second-class citizens
00:24:11.280 in their own home nations at the moment.
00:24:13.840 rahim you know and doing uh doing obviously being with us and and and having uh your own
00:24:21.940 podcast and launching national pulse you've been one of the leading voices and that platform's been
00:24:27.380 one of the leaders of kind of telling people in the united states what's exactly going on and you
00:24:32.600 where the trump administration has been uh has uh failed to act in certain areas you guys have
00:24:38.700 on top of that, Rav here now, we're in the middle of this fight of providing a pool feed 24-7. And
00:24:46.500 by the way, I think it's close to 3,000 people have already signed up for the newsletter coming
00:24:51.680 out of there. I'll give more details on that later. But do you feel constrained that when you
00:24:56.020 spend time or you go over to the UK to assist Nigel and do other things, are you able? Because
00:25:01.740 when I look at the legacy media there, it's 10 times worse than here. I mean, BBC and Sky and
00:25:08.240 all these that you get a completely different picture of what's being reported is more repressive
00:25:13.480 there than even in the united states against the legacy media um it is one of the most stifling
00:25:23.460 environments to speak um that i've ever experienced um the the number of warnings
00:25:32.020 that even my just my friends that are my friends in the legal industry give me about the things
00:25:39.280 that I tweet while I'm over here the things that I say to you while I'm here you know I honestly
00:25:47.140 can't believe it I really can't believe it and you know me I throw caution to the wind on these
00:25:53.620 things if you want to come at me for telling the truth come at me for telling the truth and we'll
00:25:58.020 have that argument out in any courtroom you want and in the court of public opinion.
00:26:03.660 Specifically, I wrote a book, No Go Zones, in 2016 and 17, which was a bestseller, which laid
00:26:10.900 out everything that was going on, not just here in the United Kingdom, but also across Europe,
00:26:17.520 also across the United States. You know, I remember in that book, I warned what was coming
00:26:22.720 in michigan and look at what the uh what the election cycle looks like right now um for uh
00:26:29.180 for november in michigan and uh i wrote another book called enoch was right which you know if
00:26:36.200 enoch powell the the infamous parliamentarian uh from the 50s and 60s and 70s had said what he said
00:26:43.080 then about a nation heaping up its own funeral pyre with mass migration no doubt in my mind no
00:26:50.720 doubt in my mind that he would at the very least had a knock on the door with the police telling
00:26:56.960 him uh you want to watch yourself mate because this is this is unlawful speech um so i don't
00:27:03.040 care i will keep speaking the truth if they want to make me a martyr on that basis they're more
00:27:09.040 than welcome to it um but what it does steve is it is it especially for younger people coming up in
00:27:14.940 this environment watching their world change around and watching their neighborhoods change
00:27:18.620 around them. It terrifies them. It discourages them. The level of despondency, political
00:27:24.560 despondency that is here in the United Kingdom right now. I've never seen anything like it
00:27:29.280 anywhere or at any time in my life. And there are just a few happy warriors out there like
00:27:35.920 Nigel Farage, like the people around him. We're still fighting that fight and trying to get their
00:27:40.220 countries back. So, you know, I'm honoured to be here again, you know, helping out in whatever
00:27:45.400 ways I can. And we'll have more information on that as time goes on. Hang on one second. We're
00:27:53.120 going to hold you through the break. Raheem Kassam. Wow. Reporting live from the United Kingdom next
00:28:00.460 in the war room.
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00:30:00.420 Welcome back, and thank you. Andy Brown joins us now, the China editor for Summerforce. So, Andy,
00:30:06.820 we covered wall-to-wall because we were the pool feed now when the mainstream media kind of cut
00:30:12.940 off the access to or wouldn't put up anything on the summit. One of the things we kept hearing in
00:30:18.720 that, and I thought the business element of this was under an hour. There was a lot of pomp and
00:30:23.980 circumstance and a lot of obviously folks, you know, spending time at dinners and things like
00:30:29.960 this, but the actual business part of it was quite concentrated. Although you come and make a great
00:30:36.060 point that you saw this, even for maybe the lack of substance that occurred in these meetings
00:30:42.440 or anything that was announced or any of the readouts, that the headline to your piece is
00:30:46.960 the U.S.-China tectonic plates have shifted. So a tectonic plate shift in the relationship. Can
00:30:55.340 you explain, how did you derive that from what you saw? What is your evidence and what does it mean?
00:31:00.460 Okay, so what I saw was lavish ceremony. And the ceremony begins on the tarmac at Joint Base Andrews, where President Trump is there waiting for Xi Jinping, the Chinese leader, to emerge from his Air China Boeing 747.
00:31:23.440 The first time that a U.S. leader has met a foreign leader at the airbase since 1962, when John F. Kennedy met Harold Macmillan.
00:31:37.440 The difference being that the U.K. then and still is a close partner of the United States.
00:31:42.960 And China is America's paramount adversary.
00:31:47.660 And, you know, what we've seen over the weekend is the Chinese state media cock a hoop over this symbolism.
00:31:57.580 And what this tells the people of China through state media is the United States president, the Chinese leader, are now equals.
00:32:07.300 And that is gold dust for Xi Jinping.
00:32:10.260 It's Goldust because next year he's got a big Communist Party meeting where he's expecting to get a fourth five-year term in office, 20 years altogether, emperor for life.
00:32:25.240 But also it's very, very significant for the Chinese people. 0.90
00:32:28.960 I mean, they know propaganda when they see it. But what they're looking for really is for foreign leaders, foreign governments to endorse their leader and their system.
00:32:41.220 And that's exactly what we saw, that the number one hashtag on social media over the weekend was the U.S. and China are now equals and and pointing and specifically, specifically pointing attention to that greeting on the tarmac at Joint Air Base Andrews.
00:33:03.220 was there other things because i'm gonna bring up two about the um about the they're saying how
00:33:12.760 we were allies in world war ii and also the facility's trap but outside of the greeting
00:33:19.100 at andrews which i agree with it was extraordinary i mean harold we met uh he met harold mcmillan
00:33:26.120 and i think mcmillan was the first conservative prime minister after churchill and we were only
00:33:32.020 what, 16 years after World War II. And that relationship was so central. There's so many
00:33:39.380 things happening against the Soviet Union, particularly about nuclear weapons. And, you
00:33:45.600 know, Kennedy was very, you know, trying to push a test ban treaty. I mean, going out to greet
00:33:50.960 Harold Macmillan didn't seem so extraordinary at the time. This is kind of breathtaking because
00:33:56.280 Americans have just never seen it in living memory.
00:34:00.100 But we're – go ahead.
00:34:02.020 Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, breathtaking when you think about the headlines that, you know, were being generated here in the United States as he's landed,
00:34:11.680 which is all giving a breakdown of how China is supplying Iran with parts to make their ballistic missiles more accurate, with imaging technology to help these missiles kill U.S. service personnel in Jordan.
00:34:31.600 Similar, very similar playbook to what we see in Ukraine, China arming Russia to pummel Ukraine.
00:34:41.940 You know, and it's such a contrast between, you know, how the geopolitical reality of this relationship and then the, you know, the messaging that we're getting out of the White House, which is solicitous, is deferential, and of course all this now being played out in the Chinese media.
00:35:03.480 What about the rest of the time? I mean, the state dinner, the meetings President Trump showing him around, the teas, all that. How did that play into that, the solicitous nature of this?
00:35:17.000 Yeah, you know, it's interesting what you say about World War II. I mean, it's good that you
00:35:23.400 picked up on that. I mean, if you look at the readout, the Chinese readout and the U.S. readout,
00:35:30.840 one of the items in the Chinese readout was that the U.S. and China had agreed to keep going with
00:35:37.000 the search for U.S. missing military personnel from the Vietnam War, from the earlier Korean War,
00:35:44.400 And then from World War II, when, of course, the United States and China were allies. That was, of course, during the nationalist administration in China. But what that's really all about is anti-Japan, right?
00:36:00.360 I mean, who were the United States and who was the United States? These pilots, the flying tigers who then flew over the hump, bringing supplies from allies to China. Who were they fighting against? They were fighting against Japan.
00:36:13.760 And Japan, of course, is now China is trying to establish the idea that Japan is a resurgent militarist power in the Asia Pacific.
00:36:24.940 And so they're trying to sort of bring the United States at least optically on board this idea that the two of them now need to fight against Japanese militarism in Asia,
00:36:35.640 which is, of course, complete nonsense since Japan has, of course, spent the intervening years since the end of World War II spreading development around the world and being essentially a model global citizen.
00:36:49.660 So we picked up on two. One was World War II. The other was Thucydides Trap.
00:36:55.040 Both of them were in the talk, the remarks, in the foyer and then at the dinner that night. 0.87
00:37:00.560 And when the Chinese go out of their way with the limited time that they had to make both of them, one, we take pride in, we think it's a response to war room because we have a huge through VPN audience in mainland China of Lao Bai Jing, which is the anti-CCP movement or Lao Bai Jing's old hundred names, but fuels the anti-CCP movement. 0.95
00:37:23.940 We have made arguments forever. You know, Wan Shishan and others have been on this big analysis of the legitimacy of their rule. 0.87
00:37:32.540 And this gets to the Chinese Civil War and the end of World War II.
00:37:36.120 The Chinese Communist Party, we hammer this all the day.
00:37:38.460 Lao Ba Jing and the Chinese people were our allies.
00:37:40.560 I think they lost 35 million people fighting the Imperial Japanese Army and, quite frankly, bled them out to the degree they could in Manchuria and other places.
00:37:49.200 If those frontline troops had been in the three-island chain, we'd still be fighting across to get LeMay's bombers to Saipan. 0.93
00:37:58.780 But the Chinese – it was as corrupt and incompetent as Chiang Kai-shek and the nationalists were. 0.97
00:38:05.520 They fought the Chinese. 0.96
00:38:06.520 Mao Zedong, these made a strategic decision not to fight the Japanese. 0.74
00:38:09.880 They were not our allies. 0.76
00:38:11.180 They were waiting for after the war, for a civil war that they were going to initiate. 0.73
00:38:15.900 And then the United States later, the State Department, essentially when they won, quote unquote, the battles, some of the big battles in the Civil War, we turned the country over to them.
00:38:26.520 That's a sore point, part of their legitimacy.
00:38:29.860 And they're trying to make a thing like we were allies in World War II.
00:38:33.820 We were allies with the Chinese people like we were allies to the Russian people.
00:38:38.300 Stalin and the Bolsheviks and the Soviets, maybe not.
00:38:41.940 But the Russian people gave 60 or 65 million. 0.67
00:38:44.400 The Chinese people bled out in World War Two. And to bring that up twice shows you it's a it's a it's a subject that they're trying to work around, does it?
00:38:53.500 Because they don't bring things up. Every time I tell people when they make these talks, you should take it like a paper bowl.
00:39:00.100 They they work these things through. Nothing is they don't wing anything.
00:39:05.660 Anything is very thought through. And I thought it was extraordinary that twice they brought up the situation in World War Two.
00:39:11.060 and they put out the great eight things that happened over the weekend, the eight outcomes,
00:39:16.740 I think the alliance in World War II was number four, which would shock me.
00:39:21.820 But they're purposely trying to drive this message.
00:39:25.320 Are they not, Andy?
00:39:27.140 They are.
00:39:27.980 You're right.
00:39:29.240 That, you know, it's interesting that, well, of course, you're completely right.
00:39:34.340 The communists were husbanding their resources after the Japanese invaded.
00:39:41.220 And it was the nationalists that was doing most of the nationalist armies that were doing most of the fighting.
00:39:46.780 There's a line of argument that says, well, you know, it's not it's not terrible to have these these summits, these high level meetings between U.S. and Chinese leaders.
00:39:57.340 You know, George Or is better than World War.
00:40:00.360 But as my friend Matt Pottinger says, Matt was a former colleague of mine at the Wall Street Journal and ended up in the National Security Council and the first Trump administration.
00:40:11.180 I know you know him very well.
00:40:13.340 You know, he says that China uses these discussions constantly to probe for U.S. weaknesses.
00:40:19.920 And this is one of the weaknesses that they're probing for is they're trying to drive a wedge between the United States and Japan.
00:40:29.200 and probing for weaknesses, generally in the U.S. posture in the Asia-Pacific, and specifically, and very, very importantly, over Taiwan.
00:40:39.840 And Taiwan did come up. We heard from David Perdue, the U.S. ambassador to China, that they did discuss arms sales to Taiwan.
00:40:50.400 And of course, you know, under the 1982 six assurances that the Reagan administration gave to Taiwan, the U.S. is not supposed to be discussing arms sales to Taiwan.
00:41:08.160 They did. And then mind-blowingly, the U.S. president suggests that, you know, the U.S. might actually sell military equipment to China.
00:41:20.660 And this is from straight from the U.S. ambassador.
00:41:24.620 It's, you know, what did he mean by that?
00:41:27.360 Was that serious? Was that a joke?
00:41:31.220 If so, you know, I don't think that Taiwan, I don't think that Japan, I don't think that the Philippines suffering now from, you know, Chinese intimidation, military bullying, saw the joke.
00:41:47.280 No, but the good news is from what Perdue said, there's no change to the relationship.
00:41:53.400 And President Trump said there's not going to be a change now.
00:41:56.840 They have not publicly committed to getting, I think it's a $14 billion additional sale.
00:42:02.220 I don't think that's been actually moved forward.
00:42:04.060 Am I correct on that?
00:42:06.400 Yeah, that's right.
00:42:07.420 And look, you know, he also made the point that the Trump administration has sold more arms to Taiwan than the Biden administration ever did.
00:42:17.240 They've already sold $11 billion worth of equipment.
00:42:19.980 There's $14 billion now in the pipeline.
00:42:23.980 Will Taiwan get it?
00:42:25.460 Actually, they're having trouble getting the equipment that has already been promised.
00:42:30.220 I mean, supply chains in the U.S. are now so backlogged.
00:42:34.280 And look, it's not, you know, I mean, these arms sales agreements are often postponed for diplomatic reasons.
00:42:43.340 Previous administrations have done the same thing.
00:42:46.160 But let's see.
00:42:47.320 And let's also see what the mix of the arms sales to Taiwan is going to be.
00:42:52.360 Very important for Taiwan right now to be buying the right stuff to give them the best shot at deterring a Chinese invasion, you know, amid this unprecedented military intimidation, which includes which includes overtly practicing by China for a blockade or quarantine of China, of Taiwan, of course, with the goal of getting Taiwan to run up the white flag.
00:43:20.440 This is not exercises anymore. They're training. These are training exercises. This is not, you know, this is like planning for events.
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00:45:30.980 host stephen k man by the way matt pottinger the former marine is one of the best china hands got
00:45:38.060 a better understanding of china than most people rose to be actually deputy national security
00:45:41.940 advisor under president trump's um in president trump's first term um andy brown china editor
00:45:49.780 at Semaphore. Incredible piece. I want everybody to be a force multiply and send this out.
00:45:54.340 The other thing they talk, and this is why, because Xi is not a flowery speaker,
00:46:02.220 particularly in the front. He's very succinct, gets to the point and moves on. So when they talk
00:46:07.880 about something, I tell people, you must focus on that. Then when they come out and do a readout
00:46:12.500 and they say, well, America being an ally of China is like number four. We're getting that straight.
00:46:17.920 When we did the Mar-a-Lago trip on the lunch, he was there for essentially about 24 hours, 30 hours.
00:46:25.460 On the lunch of the second day, right before he left, 50% of Xi's time at that lunch was telling stories about his family in World War II.
00:46:36.920 And about what happened to them with the hands of the Japanese.
00:46:40.420 He was very specific about it.
00:46:42.640 And to the degree that guy can be moved.
00:46:44.760 It was quite you could tell he was moved and talking about about what had happened to his family, particularly his mother's side of the family in World War Two.
00:46:51.760 So it's a big deal. He also mentioned twice Thucydides' trap.
00:46:56.320 And this comes off it being his opening volley in the Beijing meetings.
00:47:00.940 Now, Andy, we took umbrage with that because in the war room's interpretation, that means he's implying that we're the declining power and declining powers in Graham Allison and Henry Kissinger's construct of Athens and Sparta and Thucydides' trap.
00:47:18.360 The declining power is always the dangerous one because they wildly grasp at certain ways to stop the ascending power.
00:47:26.180 Your thoughts, sir?
00:47:27.020 Well, I think that's exactly right, that this is a rhetorical play.
00:47:35.360 They've adopted Graham Allison, the author of The Thucydides Trap, as their favorite U.S. figure, in a sense, a sort of the latter-day Henry Kissinger.
00:47:48.080 But as you say, it's a framing that's designed, and by the way, even in its original, there is no such thing as a Thucydides Trap.
00:47:56.380 It doesn't exist. But the way that they framed it and the way that Alison frames it in this book is this idea, yes, of a declining power, lashing out at a rising power with China being the rising power.
00:48:08.000 And this is, of course, mirrored in the phrase that you often hear from Xi Jinping, that the West is declining and the East is rising.
00:48:22.680 And as the West declines, as the U.S. declines, it is at its most dangerous because it's tempted to lash out because it is weak and because it is afraid.
00:48:34.460 And, of course, that is a framing that Xi Jinping uses domestically and, of course, wildly underestimates the strengths of the United States and underestimates the weaknesses of China, which are very manifest now in an economy that is in great distress.
00:48:53.300 Indeed, it's one of the reasons why Xi is not unhappy to come to the United States and just talk because it buys him time.
00:49:02.400 And similarly, on the U.S. side, the U.S. needs the time to manage some of the difficulties that it has with China, not least rare earths and a whole range of other choke points that China now has on the U.S. can use against the U.S. economy.
00:49:20.240 Andy, given how, because this is an imperial court, you can't understand the Chinese Communist Party unless you understand the imperial history of our oldest and arguably one of our greatest civilizations, China. 0.53
00:49:35.780 This is a calculated insult to us, is it not? 0.58
00:49:38.560 They know exactly what they're doing.
00:49:39.980 Because when they mentioned Thucydides' trap in the context of China and the United States, Graham Allison, Henry Kissinger, Xi, they buy into the fact that we're the declining power, that they are the rising power, right? 0.61
00:49:52.640 We're the Athens to their Sparta.
00:49:55.880 And so it's meant also as an insult.
00:49:59.200 You couldn't conceive it.
00:50:00.700 I was shocked when he – at Beijing in the opening volley, I was like, wow, because I had Greg Madison here for lunch one time for three hours plus and went through all of this in great detail, of which I'm not a huge fan of their analysis.
00:50:14.760 But it's a calculated insult, is it not, that say in the White House and then at the form of dinner where the declining power and by the theory – by the city's trap theory, you're the dangerous one because you're going to strike out as you slip into oblivion, sir?
00:50:32.100 Yeah, it's essentially calculated to load all of the blame for problems in the US-China relationship on the US side.
00:50:43.360 It's the declining power lashing out and, you know, blame on the trade side, on frictions over technology and so on.
00:50:52.160 And plus the implication that as a declining power, the United States will do anything and everything to hold China down, to prevent it from rising.
00:51:03.580 And it uses that to justify sanctions and tariffs and corporate blacklists and so on.
00:51:09.340 And this, of course, is Xi Jinping's agenda.
00:51:11.980 Part of his agenda here in the United States is to get the U.S. to drop some of that or at least to soften some of that, particularly the sales of semiconductors and chip making equipment and so on.
00:51:23.480 But it's all neatly packaged in this Thucydides trap framing.
00:51:29.100 Andy Brown, where do we get you at Semaphore and where do we get you on social media, sir?
00:51:34.260 Please sign up for the Semaphore China newsletter once a week coming out tomorrow morning.
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00:51:49.140 It's amazing what Ben Smith and you guys have done with us.
00:51:52.380 Incredible.
00:51:53.060 Andy, thank you for joining us.
00:51:55.300 Thanks for having me, Steve.
00:51:56.300 Appreciate you, sir.
00:51:57.640 Thank you, always.
00:52:00.620 Let's push out Andy's piece about the tectonic plate shift.
00:52:05.600 Please always remember, by the way, Ben Horner wasn't going to take it from here.
00:52:08.440 I'm going to see you back here at 10 a.m. tomorrow morning.
00:52:10.480 DeGrasse is going to be in the House.
00:52:13.160 And Caroline Wren talking about the House and Senate races.
00:52:17.640 This is my point about the chips.
00:52:20.540 It's not that we're the declining power.
00:52:22.220 We are the power.
00:52:23.460 Why are we giving?
00:52:25.420 And President Trump's got this amazing video out about taking on the globalists one last time.
00:52:29.300 All kind of controversy about why it's coming out under the U.S. government.
00:52:33.220 But it's very powerful.
00:52:34.440 It was used back in 24, I think.
00:52:35.920 My point, there's not a bigger globalist than the AI oligarchs, and particularly Jensen Wong, the biggest globalist ever, says it doesn't matter what country wins the AI race, it doesn't matter what company wins it, which is exactly counter to President Trump's philosophy.
00:52:52.160 We're not the declining power, but we ought to stop acting like it.
00:52:59.520 Unbelievable.
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