Bannon's War Room - September 28, 2026


Episode 5696: Why Are We Flattering The Globalists

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00:00:00 did in their heyday seven that's four there easily bring venezuela from one now what they're doing
00:00:04 now their heyday was three there's your six million that fills the gap and then you bring
00:00:08 in some of the you mentioned guy under the gas deposits fracking maybe maybe drill on our
00:00:15 alaska north slope crude used to be a massive provider of oil for us right now texas is number
00:00:20 one new mexico is number two alaska used to be number one we can do that again when we do that
00:00:26 Steve, the American president becomes the most powerful human being, he already is on the planet,
00:00:30 but he has the power to make or break any economy on the planet. Can you imagine that power?
00:00:36 That supersedes any other sort of nuclear power you could possibly have, because you could do it
00:00:40 without a gunshot fired just by the barrel. I haven't had a chance to ask you, because we
00:00:46 haven't had a chance to have you on the show recently, but this diesel, stop exporting diesel,
00:00:51 which I've advocated from day one, and also cut the federal tax on this
00:00:55 as we get through the remainder, whatever remains of this war.
00:00:59 Of course, Scott Besson said yesterday on TV,
00:01:02 these guys have got two or three weeks until basically you're near economic collapse.
00:01:07 What are your thoughts about diesel, and what are your thoughts about the federal gas tax?
00:01:10 Diesel at 650 is hugely problematic.
00:01:13 If you remember early on, I sent it to Susie Wiles and Hexf and Miller,
00:01:19 or just drop the federal gas tax.
00:01:21 The problem is it's only $0.18 a gallon for gasoline,
00:01:23 maybe $0.25 a gallon for diesel.
00:01:25 It's not going to be enough.
00:01:27 You need governors to drop their state tax. 0.55
00:01:31 That's where the real meat of tax on fuel comes from at the state level.
00:01:34 So you're not going to get California to do it,
00:01:37 but you'll possibly get some red states.
00:01:38 Maybe people move to the red states for the cheaper fuel.
00:01:42 It's got to be an all-hands-on-deck effort.
00:01:45 I'm telling you, Louisiana, Mississippi, those refineries are already tooled out to take more Venezuelan sour-heavy crude.
00:01:55 We can fix this problem very quickly.
00:01:58 Part of it is what he's going to do with Dulce Rodriguez.
00:02:00 I hope he gets more oil.
00:02:01 He's got 17 oil fields for 100 years.
00:02:05 I think we need the whole Venezuelan.
00:02:07 They have 300 billion barrels of reserves, the biggest in the world, under their soil.
00:02:12 Number one, bigger than Saudi Arabia, Russia, United States, or anywhere else in Venezuela.
00:02:18 We should be tapping into that.
00:02:21 That's where we go.
00:02:22 You see, Eric, before I let you go, I love the fact.
00:02:25 I didn't get it from the White House.
00:02:26 I talked to my trader buddies.
00:02:28 The word always gets to the traders first, right?
00:02:31 They don't write that in the Harvard textbook, Steve.
00:02:35 No, they don't.
00:02:37 Eric Bolling, thank you so much, brother.
00:02:39 Appreciate it.
00:02:39 Thank you, Steve.
00:02:39 Always love doing the handoffs.
00:02:40 Love the handoffs.
00:02:41 Thank you, sir.
00:02:42 Thank you, brother.
00:02:45 We've got a little bit of a cold open.
00:02:47 Here's what I want to do before I play the cold open.
00:02:49 I've got Neil.
00:02:50 Of course, the New York Times is all over.
00:02:52 A huge story on Real America's Voice.
00:02:56 Of course, they don't have the picture of Parker Sig, who's leading this ever.
00:03:01 They don't have a picture of your humble servant.
00:03:04 The big, huge picture is Neil McCabe.
00:03:10 I'll just let that sit.
00:03:12 We're going to talk about what happened at the Oval Day, 2 o'clock.
00:03:14 Wasn't about AI.
00:03:15 It was about steel that we like much better.
00:03:18 Parker's going to join us.
00:03:19 Neil's with us.
00:03:20 Tony Lyons, huge.
00:03:21 So tomorrow is going to be cray-cray.
00:03:23 We've got the hearing at Jack Smith in front of Oversight.
00:03:29 We have a all-day Make America Healthy Again conference.
00:03:33 And, of course, I'm having DeGrasse and Caroline come in.
00:03:37 We're going to break down and get into the details, show you the receipts
00:03:39 and where we actually stand in all of this, in all of this, everything in the next 30-some days
00:03:46 must be delivered or we're going to serve up the House and the Senate.
00:03:50 No need to serve that up.
00:03:51 We're going to rewind so much that's been done that's great.
00:03:56 Let's go ahead and play.
00:03:57 We've got a cold open.
00:03:58 We've started the show already.
00:03:59 Let's go ahead and play the cold open from the Oval Office today.
00:04:03 Let's go ahead and play that, and then we're going to bring in our own Neal McCabe.
00:04:07 Today we're thrilled to announce that Mesabi Metallics will be building the largest steel plant in American history in the great state of Iowa.
00:04:16 It's the largest plant, one of the largest plants in the world, but it's the largest plant in America by far.
00:04:23 We're also pleased to be joined by Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnik, Secretary of Energy Chris Wright,
00:04:29 Senator Joni Ernst, who's done a wonderful job, and I'm going to miss you, Joni.
00:04:34 I can't believe you. But you are right. Are you sure?
00:04:41 Thank you, Mr. President. Governor Kim Reynolds, representatives Marionette Miller-Meeks and Ashley Hinson.
00:04:49 And I saw some good polls just recently. You're doing well, Ashley. I saw that. Looks like you're doing well. You should do well.
00:04:56 Iowa Attorney General Brenna Byrne has been with me right from the beginning and Export-Import Bank Chairman John Jovanovic.
00:05:04 who is a fantastic young man, actually.
00:05:09 Once completed,
00:05:10 Masabi Metallic's new steel plant
00:05:12 will produce 10 million tons of steel per year
00:05:15 using iron ore from the company's Minnesota mine.
00:05:19 And Minnesota has, I will tell you,
00:05:21 they maybe have a lousy governor,
00:05:22 but they have great iron ore.
00:05:24 They have one of the worst governors in history. 1.00
00:05:27 A real stupid guy. 1.00
00:05:29 But they do have good iron ore, 1.00
00:05:30 which is more important, I guess.
00:05:31 But it's the first new iron ore mine in the United States in more than 50 years with the highest quality ore.
00:05:40 In other words, this year will be mined, melted, and made right here in the USA, which is something very unusual.
00:05:47 The project is expected to create up to 6,000 new construction jobs, nearly 2,000 manufacturing or mining jobs,
00:05:56 and add another $95 billion to the U.S. economy,
00:06:00 which is the number one economy in the world by far.
00:06:03 Aluminum, farming, dairy is a crazy triple digits on the dairy tariffs.
00:06:09 And the problem is, who have, sir, is the airbends?
00:06:13 Those tariffs are as high as like 400% sometimes.
00:06:17 Peter, go ahead, sir.
00:06:18 Yeah, it's just, I go back to the first term, sir, dealing with the Canadians. 0.99
00:06:22 They were the most difficult and arrogant of the traders. 0.88
00:06:25 It's like the Canadian people are wonderful, but they cheat us on just about everything they can. 0.64
00:06:30 Lumber, aluminum, steel, dairy, down the list. 0.99
00:06:35 And then the worst part now is they're getting in bed with China, trying to play China against us.
00:06:41 And they're giving away their country. 0.83
00:06:43 And they like to beat up on Donald Trump.
00:06:45 I think politically that works.
00:06:47 And the only people who get hurt by that is the people of Canada.
00:06:51 And many, many people are going into Canada right now.
00:06:55 It is the 29th of 28th, Monday, 28th, September.
00:07:01 Don't get ahead of yourself here, Steve.
00:07:02 28th, September, Year of Alert, 2026.
00:07:06 Tomorrow is going to be one of the, first off, you've got the AI conference.
00:07:10 You have the Make America Healthy Again conference.
00:07:12 We have oversight hearing of the grilling, hopefully, of Jack Smith.
00:07:16 I don't know why Jack Smith is still walking around, but we'll get to all that.
00:07:20 So tomorrow is absolutely packed.
00:07:22 We're going to start the day.
00:07:23 We're going to have both Wren and DeGrasse is going to be here.
00:07:30 Alex is going to be here.
00:07:30 We're going to break down both the House and the Senate, what needs to be done,
00:07:33 where the grassroots can put their shoulders to the wheel because we can.
00:07:38 I realize as much as people are disappointed and some people are very, very, very disappointed,
00:07:44 if you're going to go back and when you reverse this, you're going to go back and you're never going to get it back.
00:07:50 Once they reverse what's been done in the House, executive orders cut off the funding, and they're going to cut off all the funding.
00:07:56 You're going to see them shutting down the government.
00:07:58 You watch.
00:07:58 It's just going to be chaos, and the country right now can't take two years of chaos.
00:08:04 Let's go to Neil.
00:08:05 We've got Neil McCabe.
00:08:06 And tell me when Parker's ready.
00:08:07 We're going to talk more about everything we're doing and the huge sign-ups we've gotten for the live stream on the pool feed.
00:08:15 You're getting the same pool feed.
00:08:16 Independent media is getting the same pool feed that the mainstream media gets.
00:08:21 And now with the notes and kind of the way we're framing it so people can actually understand what's going on and see it with their own eyes with disintermediate the mainstream media for the next orders of the world.
00:08:33 And people are using it to really drive traffic to their their pages as they should or to their Twitter feeds as they as they should.
00:08:42 Neil McCabe, a bunch going on tomorrow.
00:08:44 First off, how did you rate, and Parker tells me he loves the picture.
00:08:48 It's a lovely photo.
00:08:49 In fact, it's a very powerful photo.
00:08:51 It's one of the best I've seen.
00:08:52 How do you, the Parker, you know, he's working nonstop all weekend.
00:08:58 Poso and I promoting this thing nonstop.
00:09:00 It's Neil McCabe that gets the beautiful shot in the New York Times,
00:09:04 staying there doing your stand-up for the war room, sir.
00:09:08 Yeah, everybody complains about it, Steve.
00:09:10 But the fact of the matter is the handsome guy is always going to be in the photo.
00:09:14 I mean, it's just the way it is.
00:09:16 It's just like I could argue about journalism, this, that or the other thing.
00:09:20 But when you have a gorgeous face and steely blue eyes, who gets in the New York Times?
00:09:25 Me.
00:09:26 OK, you just you just answered my question.
00:09:28 That's what I need to know.
00:09:29 Talk to me about what's what's the grumbling behind the scenes.
00:09:33 Put me in the room because the MSNBC and CNN can't give it up and the New York Times can't give it up.
00:09:40 They're so outraged that a small organization was able to do this and actually do it much better than they could, sir.
00:09:48 Yeah, I'll also say that a lot of RAV success pulling this off is because RAV is invested in technology, right?
00:09:57 Our booths are up to date.
00:09:59 It's modern, you know, modern equipment.
00:10:02 And there's a live view backpack that replaced the satellite truck.
00:10:07 And so back in the day, when you're dealing with satellite trucks and dishes and everything else, yeah, it was a problem and you needed a big corporation.
00:10:15 But that just isn't true anymore.
00:10:17 And so Rav is able to do the job that everyone else can do and no one can tell the difference.
00:10:23 The cartel media is just flipping out.
00:10:26 They're wailing and ganashing their teeth.
00:10:28 And in the New York Times, the former president of the White House Correspondents Association said that at one point, Rav put the president's life in danger because of their coverage.
00:10:39 And I was thinking, really? You mean like that dinner you hosted for him earlier this year?
00:10:45 It's it's the dinner with no security, the dinner with the shotgun.
00:10:50 Go ahead. Fine. Fine with me.
00:10:53 I mean, the only reason they caught that guy is because he tripped, right?
00:10:56 Which is also insane.
00:10:59 But whatever.
00:11:00 Not my job.
00:11:01 So the cartel media is flipping out.
00:11:05 They're resentful because there's, you know, I don't want to say sense of entitlement,
00:11:10 but there was a sense of professional superiority.
00:11:14 And, you know, you see these events.
00:11:16 So let's say it's a Rose Garden event.
00:11:18 And they say, okay, everybody get, you know, everybody show up for this Rose Garden event.
00:11:22 And so you have, you know, 50 or 100 people just sort of scrammed into this crowd, elbowing each other.
00:11:30 And then the pool guys, they start at the back and they just say, excuse me, pool, pool, excuse me, I'm pool.
00:11:38 And they just knock everybody over.
00:11:40 And it's like, because that's just the way they are.
00:11:42 They're like these oligarchs or potentates and they've been dethroned, Steve.
00:11:47 They really do.
00:11:48 I realize you're being a gentleman as you are.
00:11:51 They do have a sense of entitlement.
00:11:54 It's not simply in superiority.
00:11:56 They think they're entitled to basically curate the message that the president of the United States is giving to the American people.
00:12:04 And what the pool is supposed to do is be there and show all the activities, all the events with no filter.
00:12:10 And that's what we've done.
00:12:12 And I think, Rav, it's better color, better cameras.
00:12:14 And now with the with the rav rav pool dot org, you go there, you sign up for the for the the notes, you sign up there for how you can contextualize exactly where these photos taking place.
00:12:28 it makes independent journalists and particularly people that are on social media it gives them
00:12:34 a a constant flow of high quality content that they can then take a take and put their you know
00:12:40 their their contextual uh meaning onto what's going on neil neil mccabe well as a good catholic
00:12:48 i'm not thrilled with the invention of the printing press because it tended to overturn a
00:12:53 lot of my world but there was a decentralization of this technology that empowers other people
00:13:01 and so maybe not talk about Guggenheim but talk about Thomas Paine and that's kind of where we're
00:13:06 at and you know these guys they they really did strut around here with that attitude and it was
00:13:14 uh it was I don't want to say obnoxious because that wouldn't be polite but there definitely was
00:13:19 that chip on their shoulder that they were part of a different class or cast,
00:13:24 and it's completely overturned because we've solved the mystery, right?
00:13:31 They're not that special.
00:13:32 They're actually mortals like everybody else,
00:13:34 and we actually excel because our guys are running and gunning
00:13:38 with fantastic equipment and a fantastic attitude.
00:13:43 Neil, hang on.
00:13:44 We're going to try to get Parker up.
00:13:46 I also got Tony Lyons.
00:13:47 You're going to give us a summary of what's going to happen tomorrow.
00:13:50 We're going to have all-day coverage of the Jack Smith hearing.
00:13:52 We're going to have all-day coverage of Make America Healthy Again.
00:13:55 Plus, we're going to cut into, as soon as they go public with the AI conference,
00:14:00 we'll be on top of everything besides getting you up to date on every day.
00:14:04 We're going to focus on the midterms and the grassroots.
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00:14:14 it's going to be a
00:14:16 we're going to have to go through the narrow gate
00:14:18 it's going to be quite a stony
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00:14:22 but as I tell people when they present stuff like me
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00:16:12 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:16:18 Rahim Kassam joins us today from the United Kingdom.
00:16:21 Rahim, you just informed me, I guess, shortly ago,
00:16:28 they just released the five individuals that were rounded up yesterday
00:16:31 about this supposed terrorist attack at this American Air Force base in the United Kingdom?
00:16:39 Yeah, that's right, Steve. Just a couple of moments ago, in fact, we got a notification that
00:16:44 the police had released on bail the people that they had arrested yesterday near RAF Fairford,
00:16:52 which is that joint U.S.-U.K. base where they base the U.S. bombers out of. And it's a bizarre
00:16:59 situation, because obviously we're used to the police in this country, kind of slow rolling
00:17:04 information as it pertains to issues like this, even when there is a massive public interest and
00:17:09 obviously massive public threat. They had evacuated the local area. People had to stay in hotels last
00:17:16 night. And today they come out and they say that the investigation isn't over. But these men have
00:17:21 been released on bail, although they also have stringent conditions on their movement
00:17:28 and stringent conditions on contact with others. The police concluded by saying they're now pursuing
00:17:36 multiple lines of inquiry. Well, if they're released on bail, you have to be charged with
00:17:43 something, right? You have to be charged to then set a bail. Do we know, have they released what
00:17:49 they were actually charged with? Yeah, they have said that they were charged with the attempt to
00:17:58 effectively produce a terror attack. That can be several things, by the way. That can be
00:18:05 an explosives charge in that they simply were driving around with explosives they weren't
00:18:11 supposed to have. The terror legislation in this country is quite broad and can pertain to all
00:18:16 sorts of things. But they were driving these fuel vans, these three fuel vans around. And it's not
00:18:23 clear that they were real company vans. The press in this country has attempted to find the company
00:18:29 that was listed on the side of the vehicles. There is no such company. And so the whole situation
00:18:35 for most people right here, right now, and I say this as somebody who's following it
00:18:39 extremely closely, extremely intently, with a whole team around me doing the same,
00:18:43 is that everyone's baffled.
00:18:47 How could you, riddle me this,
00:18:50 how could you be charged over the weekend
00:18:52 with some sort of at least charge about
00:18:55 either instigating terrorism, a terrorist attack,
00:18:59 or planning a terrorist attack,
00:19:01 or somehow being involved and get, they said bail.
00:19:04 How can you let people go?
00:19:07 It's like mind boggling.
00:19:09 How could they let these individuals go?
00:19:11 What is the situation here with these courts?
00:19:13 Well, let me give you an example. So I believe this was heard in Westminster Magistrates' Court. And Westminster Magistrates' Court, one of the magistrates there, one of the judges, is a chap called Tanwir Ikram.
00:19:25 And Tanwur Ikram last year released, or rather they were charged and sentenced these Palestine solidarity activists in London who were marching around with Hamas-style paragliders.
00:19:42 They were subsequently found guilty of doing that. But the magistrate, this Tanwar Ikram, effectively sentenced them to a 12-month conditional discharge, which meant they served no time for the crime.
00:20:00 they were found guilty of. Another terror legislation charge, by the way. And to add
00:20:07 to that one of the most heinous things I think I've seen in a long time, this magistrate,
00:20:15 Tanwe Ekram, was then found having liked a post on LinkedIn, and I'm going to read it to you here, 0.76
00:20:21 that said, free, free Palestine to the Israeli terrorists, both in the United Kingdom,
00:20:27 the United States, and of course Israel. You can run, you can bomb, but you cannot hide. 0.94
00:20:33 Justice will be coming for you. He wasn't reprimanded. He said that he simply made a
00:20:39 mistake in liking that post. And so I'm not accusing Tanwar Ikram of doing anything in this
00:20:45 case. In fact, I don't even know yet if he was the magistrate in this case. But that gives you,
00:20:51 and it's a very small magistrate's court, it gives you an example of precisely how the court system
00:20:56 works here in London. It's small, but a lot of important cases come because of Westminster.
00:21:04 How are magistrate judges selected? Is this a Labour government selecting these? Is there
00:21:08 some sort of process of their selection that they have to go through confirmation like you do here
00:21:13 in the States and get blue slip here so that the minority in this case, Nigel Farage or the Tory
00:21:21 Party can stand up to? How are these judges picked? You know, that's a question for the
00:21:26 legally minded. I'm not entirely aware of how the magistrates court select their magistrates,
00:21:31 but the fact that he was caught doing this and faced no penalty suggests that the court system
00:21:39 itself, and of course, you know, people know this. One of the things you hear all over this country
00:21:44 at the moment is that there isn't an effective sentencing counsel. There isn't an effective
00:21:50 court system. You know, the backlog is extraordinary. We have no prison places left in
00:21:55 this country. And the Labour government refuses to build any more capacity. It's a broken system,
00:22:03 a completely broken system. And so to remove these people, I'm sure would be extremely,
00:22:08 extremely difficult. We still get videos all the time that Christians praying outside of 0.99
00:22:15 abortion centers are rounded up. Tommy Robinson, I think, was stopped the other day for like the
00:22:19 fourth time his phones and everything were taken. Is the system weighted against people that
00:22:27 heretofore thought they had free speech liberty in the United Kingdom, that even Christians praying 0.93
00:22:33 outside of abortion clinics or people demonstrating against this Islamic takeover 0.90
00:22:38 are the ones that are targeted, whereas the Islamists, I mean, it's kind of mind-boggling
00:22:42 that somebody that was associated with a terrorist attack that's actually charged with some element 0.78
00:22:48 associated with it, and bail set can be let out in 24 hours. I mean, people are pretty gobsmacked
00:22:56 about that, sir. I mean, if you wanted to create mass panic, that's one of the ways to create it,
00:23:03 right? Because they haven't given any further information as to how these people can move
00:23:07 about. They've said the conditions on their movement. What conditions on their movement?
00:23:10 Where can they go? These people were from London. This attack happened, or attempted attack,
00:23:15 as we're told happened uh some some two hours outside london so is it there is it here um you
00:23:21 know it just completely unclear um extremely little detail that we're being given um and and
00:23:29 you know you talk about the the social contract effectively right that how that's all uh broken
00:23:37 down people i mean people will remember the case of henry novak right whose whose last words uh
00:23:43 you know, well, I think I've been stabbed, and the police said to him, don't think you have me.
00:23:49 There is multi-tiered policing and multi-tiered justice going on in the United Kingdom.
00:23:56 And of course, it's more than just talking about Islam and the way minorities are treated. 0.55
00:24:04 You have to talk about specifically how white people are being treated as second-class citizens
00:24:11 in their own home nations at the moment.
00:24:13 rahim you know and doing uh doing obviously being with us and and and having uh your own
00:24:21 podcast and launching national pulse you've been one of the leading voices and that platform's been
00:24:27 one of the leaders of kind of telling people in the united states what's exactly going on and you
00:24:32 where the trump administration has been uh has uh failed to act in certain areas you guys have
00:24:38 on top of that, Rav here now, we're in the middle of this fight of providing a pool feed 24-7. And
00:24:46 by the way, I think it's close to 3,000 people have already signed up for the newsletter coming
00:24:51 out of there. I'll give more details on that later. But do you feel constrained that when you
00:24:56 spend time or you go over to the UK to assist Nigel and do other things, are you able? Because
00:25:01 when I look at the legacy media there, it's 10 times worse than here. I mean, BBC and Sky and
00:25:08 all these that you get a completely different picture of what's being reported is more repressive
00:25:13 there than even in the united states against the legacy media um it is one of the most stifling
00:25:23 environments to speak um that i've ever experienced um the the number of warnings
00:25:32 that even my just my friends that are my friends in the legal industry give me about the things
00:25:39 that I tweet while I'm over here the things that I say to you while I'm here you know I honestly
00:25:47 can't believe it I really can't believe it and you know me I throw caution to the wind on these
00:25:53 things if you want to come at me for telling the truth come at me for telling the truth and we'll
00:25:58 have that argument out in any courtroom you want and in the court of public opinion.
00:26:03 Specifically, I wrote a book, No Go Zones, in 2016 and 17, which was a bestseller, which laid
00:26:10 out everything that was going on, not just here in the United Kingdom, but also across Europe,
00:26:17 also across the United States. You know, I remember in that book, I warned what was coming
00:26:22 in michigan and look at what the uh what the election cycle looks like right now um for uh
00:26:29 for november in michigan and uh i wrote another book called enoch was right which you know if
00:26:36 enoch powell the the infamous parliamentarian uh from the 50s and 60s and 70s had said what he said
00:26:43 then about a nation heaping up its own funeral pyre with mass migration no doubt in my mind no
00:26:50 doubt in my mind that he would at the very least had a knock on the door with the police telling
00:26:56 him uh you want to watch yourself mate because this is this is unlawful speech um so i don't
00:27:03 care i will keep speaking the truth if they want to make me a martyr on that basis they're more
00:27:09 than welcome to it um but what it does steve is it is it especially for younger people coming up in
00:27:14 this environment watching their world change around and watching their neighborhoods change
00:27:18 around them. It terrifies them. It discourages them. The level of despondency, political
00:27:24 despondency that is here in the United Kingdom right now. I've never seen anything like it
00:27:29 anywhere or at any time in my life. And there are just a few happy warriors out there like
00:27:35 Nigel Farage, like the people around him. We're still fighting that fight and trying to get their
00:27:40 countries back. So, you know, I'm honoured to be here again, you know, helping out in whatever
00:27:45 ways I can. And we'll have more information on that as time goes on. Hang on one second. We're
00:27:53 going to hold you through the break. Raheem Kassam. Wow. Reporting live from the United Kingdom next
00:28:00 in the war room.
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00:30:00 Welcome back, and thank you. Andy Brown joins us now, the China editor for Summerforce. So, Andy,
00:30:06 we covered wall-to-wall because we were the pool feed now when the mainstream media kind of cut
00:30:12 off the access to or wouldn't put up anything on the summit. One of the things we kept hearing in
00:30:18 that, and I thought the business element of this was under an hour. There was a lot of pomp and
00:30:23 circumstance and a lot of obviously folks, you know, spending time at dinners and things like
00:30:29 this, but the actual business part of it was quite concentrated. Although you come and make a great
00:30:36 point that you saw this, even for maybe the lack of substance that occurred in these meetings
00:30:42 or anything that was announced or any of the readouts, that the headline to your piece is
00:30:46 the U.S.-China tectonic plates have shifted. So a tectonic plate shift in the relationship. Can
00:30:55 you explain, how did you derive that from what you saw? What is your evidence and what does it mean?
00:31:00 Okay, so what I saw was lavish ceremony. And the ceremony begins on the tarmac at Joint Base Andrews, where President Trump is there waiting for Xi Jinping, the Chinese leader, to emerge from his Air China Boeing 747.
00:31:23 The first time that a U.S. leader has met a foreign leader at the airbase since 1962, when John F. Kennedy met Harold Macmillan.
00:31:37 The difference being that the U.K. then and still is a close partner of the United States.
00:31:42 And China is America's paramount adversary.
00:31:47 And, you know, what we've seen over the weekend is the Chinese state media cock a hoop over this symbolism.
00:31:57 And what this tells the people of China through state media is the United States president, the Chinese leader, are now equals.
00:32:07 And that is gold dust for Xi Jinping.
00:32:10 It's Goldust because next year he's got a big Communist Party meeting where he's expecting to get a fourth five-year term in office, 20 years altogether, emperor for life.
00:32:25 But also it's very, very significant for the Chinese people. 0.90
00:32:28 I mean, they know propaganda when they see it. But what they're looking for really is for foreign leaders, foreign governments to endorse their leader and their system.
00:32:41 And that's exactly what we saw, that the number one hashtag on social media over the weekend was the U.S. and China are now equals and and pointing and specifically, specifically pointing attention to that greeting on the tarmac at Joint Air Base Andrews.
00:33:03 was there other things because i'm gonna bring up two about the um about the they're saying how
00:33:12 we were allies in world war ii and also the facility's trap but outside of the greeting
00:33:19 at andrews which i agree with it was extraordinary i mean harold we met uh he met harold mcmillan
00:33:26 and i think mcmillan was the first conservative prime minister after churchill and we were only
00:33:32 what, 16 years after World War II. And that relationship was so central. There's so many
00:33:39 things happening against the Soviet Union, particularly about nuclear weapons. And, you
00:33:45 know, Kennedy was very, you know, trying to push a test ban treaty. I mean, going out to greet
00:33:50 Harold Macmillan didn't seem so extraordinary at the time. This is kind of breathtaking because
00:33:56 Americans have just never seen it in living memory.
00:34:00 But we're – go ahead.
00:34:02 Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, breathtaking when you think about the headlines that, you know, were being generated here in the United States as he's landed,
00:34:11 which is all giving a breakdown of how China is supplying Iran with parts to make their ballistic missiles more accurate, with imaging technology to help these missiles kill U.S. service personnel in Jordan.
00:34:31 Similar, very similar playbook to what we see in Ukraine, China arming Russia to pummel Ukraine.
00:34:41 You know, and it's such a contrast between, you know, how the geopolitical reality of this relationship and then the, you know, the messaging that we're getting out of the White House, which is solicitous, is deferential, and of course all this now being played out in the Chinese media.
00:35:03 What about the rest of the time? I mean, the state dinner, the meetings President Trump showing him around, the teas, all that. How did that play into that, the solicitous nature of this?
00:35:17 Yeah, you know, it's interesting what you say about World War II. I mean, it's good that you
00:35:23 picked up on that. I mean, if you look at the readout, the Chinese readout and the U.S. readout,
00:35:30 one of the items in the Chinese readout was that the U.S. and China had agreed to keep going with
00:35:37 the search for U.S. missing military personnel from the Vietnam War, from the earlier Korean War,
00:35:44 And then from World War II, when, of course, the United States and China were allies. That was, of course, during the nationalist administration in China. But what that's really all about is anti-Japan, right?
00:36:00 I mean, who were the United States and who was the United States? These pilots, the flying tigers who then flew over the hump, bringing supplies from allies to China. Who were they fighting against? They were fighting against Japan.
00:36:13 And Japan, of course, is now China is trying to establish the idea that Japan is a resurgent militarist power in the Asia Pacific.
00:36:24 And so they're trying to sort of bring the United States at least optically on board this idea that the two of them now need to fight against Japanese militarism in Asia,
00:36:35 which is, of course, complete nonsense since Japan has, of course, spent the intervening years since the end of World War II spreading development around the world and being essentially a model global citizen.
00:36:49 So we picked up on two. One was World War II. The other was Thucydides Trap.
00:36:55 Both of them were in the talk, the remarks, in the foyer and then at the dinner that night. 0.87
00:37:00 And when the Chinese go out of their way with the limited time that they had to make both of them, one, we take pride in, we think it's a response to war room because we have a huge through VPN audience in mainland China of Lao Bai Jing, which is the anti-CCP movement or Lao Bai Jing's old hundred names, but fuels the anti-CCP movement. 0.95
00:37:23 We have made arguments forever. You know, Wan Shishan and others have been on this big analysis of the legitimacy of their rule. 0.87
00:37:32 And this gets to the Chinese Civil War and the end of World War II.
00:37:36 The Chinese Communist Party, we hammer this all the day.
00:37:38 Lao Ba Jing and the Chinese people were our allies.
00:37:40 I think they lost 35 million people fighting the Imperial Japanese Army and, quite frankly, bled them out to the degree they could in Manchuria and other places.
00:37:49 If those frontline troops had been in the three-island chain, we'd still be fighting across to get LeMay's bombers to Saipan. 0.93
00:37:58 But the Chinese – it was as corrupt and incompetent as Chiang Kai-shek and the nationalists were. 0.97
00:38:05 They fought the Chinese. 0.96
00:38:06 Mao Zedong, these made a strategic decision not to fight the Japanese. 0.74
00:38:09 They were not our allies. 0.76
00:38:11 They were waiting for after the war, for a civil war that they were going to initiate. 0.73
00:38:15 And then the United States later, the State Department, essentially when they won, quote unquote, the battles, some of the big battles in the Civil War, we turned the country over to them.
00:38:26 That's a sore point, part of their legitimacy.
00:38:29 And they're trying to make a thing like we were allies in World War II.
00:38:33 We were allies with the Chinese people like we were allies to the Russian people.
00:38:38 Stalin and the Bolsheviks and the Soviets, maybe not.
00:38:41 But the Russian people gave 60 or 65 million. 0.67
00:38:44 The Chinese people bled out in World War Two. And to bring that up twice shows you it's a it's a it's a subject that they're trying to work around, does it?
00:38:53 Because they don't bring things up. Every time I tell people when they make these talks, you should take it like a paper bowl.
00:39:00 They they work these things through. Nothing is they don't wing anything.
00:39:05 Anything is very thought through. And I thought it was extraordinary that twice they brought up the situation in World War Two.
00:39:11 and they put out the great eight things that happened over the weekend, the eight outcomes,
00:39:16 I think the alliance in World War II was number four, which would shock me.
00:39:21 But they're purposely trying to drive this message.
00:39:25 Are they not, Andy?
00:39:27 They are.
00:39:27 You're right.
00:39:29 That, you know, it's interesting that, well, of course, you're completely right.
00:39:34 The communists were husbanding their resources after the Japanese invaded.
00:39:41 And it was the nationalists that was doing most of the nationalist armies that were doing most of the fighting.
00:39:46 There's a line of argument that says, well, you know, it's not it's not terrible to have these these summits, these high level meetings between U.S. and Chinese leaders.
00:39:57 You know, George Or is better than World War.
00:40:00 But as my friend Matt Pottinger says, Matt was a former colleague of mine at the Wall Street Journal and ended up in the National Security Council and the first Trump administration.
00:40:11 I know you know him very well.
00:40:13 You know, he says that China uses these discussions constantly to probe for U.S. weaknesses.
00:40:19 And this is one of the weaknesses that they're probing for is they're trying to drive a wedge between the United States and Japan.
00:40:29 and probing for weaknesses, generally in the U.S. posture in the Asia-Pacific, and specifically, and very, very importantly, over Taiwan.
00:40:39 And Taiwan did come up. We heard from David Perdue, the U.S. ambassador to China, that they did discuss arms sales to Taiwan.
00:40:50 And of course, you know, under the 1982 six assurances that the Reagan administration gave to Taiwan, the U.S. is not supposed to be discussing arms sales to Taiwan.
00:41:08 They did. And then mind-blowingly, the U.S. president suggests that, you know, the U.S. might actually sell military equipment to China.
00:41:20 And this is from straight from the U.S. ambassador.
00:41:24 It's, you know, what did he mean by that?
00:41:27 Was that serious? Was that a joke?
00:41:31 If so, you know, I don't think that Taiwan, I don't think that Japan, I don't think that the Philippines suffering now from, you know, Chinese intimidation, military bullying, saw the joke.
00:41:47 No, but the good news is from what Perdue said, there's no change to the relationship.
00:41:53 And President Trump said there's not going to be a change now.
00:41:56 They have not publicly committed to getting, I think it's a $14 billion additional sale.
00:42:02 I don't think that's been actually moved forward.
00:42:04 Am I correct on that?
00:42:06 Yeah, that's right.
00:42:07 And look, you know, he also made the point that the Trump administration has sold more arms to Taiwan than the Biden administration ever did.
00:42:17 They've already sold $11 billion worth of equipment.
00:42:19 There's $14 billion now in the pipeline.
00:42:23 Will Taiwan get it?
00:42:25 Actually, they're having trouble getting the equipment that has already been promised.
00:42:30 I mean, supply chains in the U.S. are now so backlogged.
00:42:34 And look, it's not, you know, I mean, these arms sales agreements are often postponed for diplomatic reasons.
00:42:43 Previous administrations have done the same thing.
00:42:46 But let's see.
00:42:47 And let's also see what the mix of the arms sales to Taiwan is going to be.
00:42:52 Very important for Taiwan right now to be buying the right stuff to give them the best shot at deterring a Chinese invasion, you know, amid this unprecedented military intimidation, which includes which includes overtly practicing by China for a blockade or quarantine of China, of Taiwan, of course, with the goal of getting Taiwan to run up the white flag.
00:43:20 This is not exercises anymore. They're training. These are training exercises. This is not, you know, this is like planning for events.
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00:45:49 at Semaphore. Incredible piece. I want everybody to be a force multiply and send this out.
00:45:54 The other thing they talk, and this is why, because Xi is not a flowery speaker,
00:46:02 particularly in the front. He's very succinct, gets to the point and moves on. So when they talk
00:46:07 about something, I tell people, you must focus on that. Then when they come out and do a readout
00:46:12 and they say, well, America being an ally of China is like number four. We're getting that straight.
00:46:17 When we did the Mar-a-Lago trip on the lunch, he was there for essentially about 24 hours, 30 hours.
00:46:25 On the lunch of the second day, right before he left, 50% of Xi's time at that lunch was telling stories about his family in World War II.
00:46:36 And about what happened to them with the hands of the Japanese.
00:46:40 He was very specific about it.
00:46:42 And to the degree that guy can be moved.
00:46:44 It was quite you could tell he was moved and talking about about what had happened to his family, particularly his mother's side of the family in World War Two.
00:46:51 So it's a big deal. He also mentioned twice Thucydides' trap.
00:46:56 And this comes off it being his opening volley in the Beijing meetings.
00:47:00 Now, Andy, we took umbrage with that because in the war room's interpretation, that means he's implying that we're the declining power and declining powers in Graham Allison and Henry Kissinger's construct of Athens and Sparta and Thucydides' trap.
00:47:18 The declining power is always the dangerous one because they wildly grasp at certain ways to stop the ascending power.
00:47:26 Your thoughts, sir?
00:47:27 Well, I think that's exactly right, that this is a rhetorical play.
00:47:35 They've adopted Graham Allison, the author of The Thucydides Trap, as their favorite U.S. figure, in a sense, a sort of the latter-day Henry Kissinger.
00:47:48 But as you say, it's a framing that's designed, and by the way, even in its original, there is no such thing as a Thucydides Trap.
00:47:56 It doesn't exist. But the way that they framed it and the way that Alison frames it in this book is this idea, yes, of a declining power, lashing out at a rising power with China being the rising power.
00:48:08 And this is, of course, mirrored in the phrase that you often hear from Xi Jinping, that the West is declining and the East is rising.
00:48:22 And as the West declines, as the U.S. declines, it is at its most dangerous because it's tempted to lash out because it is weak and because it is afraid.
00:48:34 And, of course, that is a framing that Xi Jinping uses domestically and, of course, wildly underestimates the strengths of the United States and underestimates the weaknesses of China, which are very manifest now in an economy that is in great distress.
00:48:53 Indeed, it's one of the reasons why Xi is not unhappy to come to the United States and just talk because it buys him time.
00:49:02 And similarly, on the U.S. side, the U.S. needs the time to manage some of the difficulties that it has with China, not least rare earths and a whole range of other choke points that China now has on the U.S. can use against the U.S. economy.
00:49:20 Andy, given how, because this is an imperial court, you can't understand the Chinese Communist Party unless you understand the imperial history of our oldest and arguably one of our greatest civilizations, China. 0.53
00:49:35 This is a calculated insult to us, is it not? 0.58
00:49:38 They know exactly what they're doing.
00:49:39 Because when they mentioned Thucydides' trap in the context of China and the United States, Graham Allison, Henry Kissinger, Xi, they buy into the fact that we're the declining power, that they are the rising power, right? 0.61
00:49:52 We're the Athens to their Sparta.
00:49:55 And so it's meant also as an insult.
00:49:59 You couldn't conceive it.
00:50:00 I was shocked when he – at Beijing in the opening volley, I was like, wow, because I had Greg Madison here for lunch one time for three hours plus and went through all of this in great detail, of which I'm not a huge fan of their analysis.
00:50:14 But it's a calculated insult, is it not, that say in the White House and then at the form of dinner where the declining power and by the theory – by the city's trap theory, you're the dangerous one because you're going to strike out as you slip into oblivion, sir?
00:50:32 Yeah, it's essentially calculated to load all of the blame for problems in the US-China relationship on the US side.
00:50:43 It's the declining power lashing out and, you know, blame on the trade side, on frictions over technology and so on.
00:50:52 And plus the implication that as a declining power, the United States will do anything and everything to hold China down, to prevent it from rising.
00:51:03 And it uses that to justify sanctions and tariffs and corporate blacklists and so on.
00:51:09 And this, of course, is Xi Jinping's agenda.
00:51:11 Part of his agenda here in the United States is to get the U.S. to drop some of that or at least to soften some of that, particularly the sales of semiconductors and chip making equipment and so on.
00:51:23 But it's all neatly packaged in this Thucydides trap framing.
00:51:29 Andy Brown, where do we get you at Semaphore and where do we get you on social media, sir?
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00:51:49 It's amazing what Ben Smith and you guys have done with us.
00:51:52 Incredible.
00:51:53 Andy, thank you for joining us.
00:51:55 Thanks for having me, Steve.
00:51:56 Appreciate you, sir.
00:51:57 Thank you, always.
00:52:00 Let's push out Andy's piece about the tectonic plate shift.
00:52:05 Please always remember, by the way, Ben Horner wasn't going to take it from here.
00:52:08 I'm going to see you back here at 10 a.m. tomorrow morning.
00:52:10 DeGrasse is going to be in the House.
00:52:13 And Caroline Wren talking about the House and Senate races.
00:52:17 This is my point about the chips.
00:52:20 It's not that we're the declining power.
00:52:22 We are the power.
00:52:23 Why are we giving?
00:52:25 And President Trump's got this amazing video out about taking on the globalists one last time.
00:52:29 All kind of controversy about why it's coming out under the U.S. government.
00:52:33 But it's very powerful.
00:52:34 It was used back in 24, I think.
00:52:35 My point, there's not a bigger globalist than the AI oligarchs, and particularly Jensen Wong, the biggest globalist ever, says it doesn't matter what country wins the AI race, it doesn't matter what company wins it, which is exactly counter to President Trump's philosophy.
00:52:52 We're not the declining power, but we ought to stop acting like it.
00:52:59 Unbelievable.
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