Bannon's War Room - Episode 5762： Crusademaxxing And America First

00:00:00.880 France specifically, we saw more protests over the weekend.

00:00:04.220 The clashes were not at the same level as we saw a week ago, but still plenty of arrests.

00:00:08.880 And it's now not just in France. We're seeing this pop up in other cities across Europe.

00:00:12.660 So you could help me. All this is kind of, if you will, late stage capitalism.

00:00:17.980 All these young people in all these countries, including Americans, feeling like they don't have a future.

00:00:22.440 They're not going to have the lives their parents had.

00:00:24.960 And who knows, there's a lot of different forms of late stage capitalism.

00:00:28.500 No, but it's the same rage. You can draw a direct line to the rage that you see in the United States of America.

00:00:35.340 We're obviously not to that point. But when we're wondering why are so many votes, you know, when people say, gee, why are there these candidates that are so far outside the norm?

00:00:43.040 It's because so many young people here are saying the system doesn't work for me.

00:00:47.040 Why would I pay into Social Security when I ain't never going to get it?

00:00:49.980 And in France, the early polls for their 2027 election, the top people are Le Pen, the far right and the far left candidates are leading the polls.

00:00:59.080 The centrists have sort of lost. So I just want there to be elections.

00:01:02.380 And I think it's amazing that you've seen young people in Hungary, in Serbia.

00:01:06.840 We'll see Lula as the incumbent in Brazil, in Israel and in the U.S.

00:01:11.620 We'll see who they vote for.

00:01:12.820 But the centrist losing, or we could call it here, you know, the establishment weakening.

00:01:17.640 This is not about people saying they really want the far right or they really want the far left.

00:01:22.540 They're simply saying this does not work for me.

00:01:26.140 They want solutions.

00:01:27.740 So maybe the and look, Trump had his chance to deliver far right solutions to our economic problems.

00:01:33.660 It hasn't worked.

00:01:34.940 Maybe the far left will have solutions or not.

00:01:36.940 And if you look at American voting patterns, I mean, I think people voted for change under Obama as the middle class shrunk and that nothing seemed to work in the country.

00:01:45.180 Health care, education. Then they tried Trump. Then they tried Biden.

00:01:48.900 And then they're back. And it's just this desperate desire for someone who will come up with new policies that will, you know, reform our country.

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00:04:32.600 It's Monday, 26 October, year of our Lord, 2026.

00:05:02.600 Of course, an amazing weekend, both of everything we're doing here in the United States to get the grassroots focused, also to bring people's attention to the fact of how they're going to try to steal these elections.

00:05:15.860 We had some what I call original gangsters, some of the OGs on this morning to walk you through all of that.

00:05:21.260 Obviously, a lot of activity going on in Brazil where they just brazenly stole this, created 11 million votes, 11 million votes.

00:05:28.620 And they're laughing in your face with the mainstream media saying, legacy media said, what an amazing comeback.

00:05:34.960 Just up in your grill.

00:05:37.460 I've got two gentlemen I've wanted to have on the show for a while to talk about issues that are actually deeper than this and mean more.

00:05:46.640 And it's really what's going to make this fight winnable in the long run.

00:05:51.380 I'm going to start with Noah Bolch.

00:05:53.640 Noah, young Republicans of Texas.

00:05:56.920 You were there.

00:05:57.700 you actually spoke. This was the conference, the convention that was Saturday a week ago,

00:06:03.680 of which of the seven or eight speakers, I was the least controversial. Talk to me about these

00:06:10.680 young men, some women, but young men particularly that are coming forward now and saying that we

00:06:16.580 are going to be adamant about taking the state of Texas back. And with taking the state of Texas

00:06:21.200 back, take back the country on some of the key issues of the day, whether it's, whether it's

00:06:26.280 immigration, these international wards, et cetera?

00:06:29.080 Because I think as you've seen from what's happened over the weekend,

00:06:32.020 both in Serbia and in Brazil, the deep state is alive,

00:06:35.040 and they have no intention at all of letting people take their countries back, sir.

00:06:41.160 So I think when I look at the young men like myself around Texas,

00:06:45.860 we're looking at the rest of the world.

00:06:47.660 We have access to social media now, and we see the rest of the world.

00:06:51.040 We see France.

00:06:51.920 We see what's happening in Seattle, New York, Chicago, these prime-rated cities. 1.00

00:06:56.280 They're run over by immigration. And Texas is our home. It's not an economic zone. I've talked 1.00

00:07:01.480 about that in my speech. And we don't want Texas to turn out like the rest of the world. We don't 0.92

00:07:05.940 want to be run over with immigrants. We don't want unlimited crime. And so I think we're realizing 1.00

00:07:11.460 that we actually need to do something about this. We can't just complain online about it. We can't

00:07:16.200 just talk about this. We have to mobilize other young men and women and people who think like us

00:07:22.400 and say, all right, let's go out and vote.

00:07:24.380 Let's go out and do something.

00:07:25.500 Let's go out and start, you know, book clubs.

00:07:27.460 Let's start blogs.

00:07:28.200 Let's get together a YRT and try to pass resolutions

00:07:31.000 that will actually protect Texas from becoming like the rest of the country

00:07:35.160 and the rest of the world, which has kind of fallen from grace.

00:07:39.200 Talk to me about Texas because I know it's a very special feel.

00:07:44.580 You know, as a Virginian, I said at first, you know, kidding around,

00:07:48.360 it hurt me to say that Texas is the jewel in the crown of the union.

00:07:51.500 But as I spent more and more time down here over the last couple of years, and I think at the end of 2026, we will have spent the war room will have spent over half the year in Texas, given the importance of the Sharia law, the prohibition of Sharia law, the amendment or the proposition of Paxton in the primary and the runoff.

00:08:11.240 and now this absolutely brutal general election.

00:08:16.320 What makes Texas special, and what do you think it makes young people in Texas particularly special?

00:08:23.800 I think you have a lot of special candidates.

00:08:26.180 I think we have the best lineup of any candidates in the general election compared to the rest of the country.

00:08:31.840 We have Beau French and Ken Paxton who are absolute patriots. 0.99

00:08:35.040 But I think we have a lot of young people who are heritage Americans and who are angry. 1.00

00:08:39.640 And we see, you know, parts of Dallas, parts of Austin and San Antonio, where I'm from, and these ethnic enclaves are forming of Muslims and they're saying, all right, this is this is a danger. 1.00

00:08:53.200 This is a threat to our way of life. And, you know, Texas is has always been sort of a normal place, a simple place of, you know, sort of laid back country folk. 1.00

00:09:01.580 And now we're kind of we're booming. We're trying to improve our infrastructure. And we're saying, you know what, we are great.

00:09:07.740 We are one of the greatest states in the country.

00:09:09.960 And, you know, like you said in your speech, we are, you know, sort of the crown jewel of America.

00:09:14.240 And I think we're going to become the vanguard of the right wing for the rest of the country.

00:09:19.500 And the rest of the country is going to look at us and say, hey, these young men, you know, they're kind of pissed off at the way things are going.

00:09:25.860 And they're actually taking action.

00:09:27.640 And, you know, they're showing up to church.

00:09:29.440 They're showing up to conferences.

00:09:30.940 They're starting young Republicans clubs.

00:09:33.340 And I think the rest of the young men and women in the country who are right wing are going to follow suit.

00:09:38.380 So it is something very special and something very unique to other states.

00:09:42.740 Look, you had you had Mike Howell and Jason Kilmeyer on mass deportations, and that's mass deportations of illegal aliens.

00:09:50.520 You also had Beau French, and I think Beau French's election or campaign is the most important election in the country.

00:09:58.140 And Bo's talking about, you know, obviously he's running for Railroad Commission, but one of his issues is actual, quote unquote, legal immigration.

00:10:06.040 What I say is all these student visa scams and H-1B scams.

00:10:10.060 What is it? As you look at that agenda of what you did at Young Republicans of Texas, it was the most vital issues today.

00:10:18.400 And this is what I thought was so amazing about it.

00:10:20.300 You had bold people, courageous people.

00:10:22.600 People are not going to back down.

00:10:23.780 But you also talk to the issues the nation needs to address and the Trump administration, quite frankly, a lot of their policies are not where these young Texas Republicans, young Republicans of Texas are by a long shot.

00:10:37.140 But you guys are going to win out over the long run. Why? Why have you focused on these key issues and why have you put these forward now in this general election, sir?

00:10:47.820 Well, I think we're recognizing and we're kind of coming to terms that America first is the most important thing to the youth. 0.65

00:10:57.240 And legal immigration is becoming a bigger threat than illegal immigration.

00:11:03.240 I was I was explaining to it like this. What's the bigger threat?

00:11:06.200 You know, you have someone like, you know, Jose who comes over and he's working for eight dollars an hour.

00:11:11.200 He makes you a burrito. He's working the jobs that, you know, the left state, the American born citizens don't want to work.

00:11:17.200 And then you have someone come over from India or China on a visa, and they take your $100,000 tech job. They take your spot at college. And I think that's actually the bigger threat, because not only is it undercutting wages, we're seeing massive layoffs at Microsoft, we're seeing massive layoffs at multiple different tech firms.

00:11:35.820 And like Beau French posted in his tweet, it's, you know, a sea of people who are not American and we're being put last. 0.86

00:11:42.740 And I think the youth is saying, no, we want to be put first. This is our country. This is our inheritance. 0.84

00:11:47.380 And, you know, we don't like being at the back of the line when we've worked the hardest to get here.

00:11:52.320 And so I think, you know, the Trump administration has done a lot of good things, but we need to continue being critical and pushing and saying, hey, guys, we actually have to push back on this.

00:12:00.960 And both French and, you know, other patriots and other young guys have really moved the goalposts forward and saying, you know, there are a lot bigger issues that's facing our nation. 0.95

00:12:10.840 And we're slowly going to end up like France. 0.60

00:12:13.080 We're going to end up like the rest of Europe, which is struggling to keep civilization alive.

00:12:17.280 How do you guys look at the Faustian pact? 0.99

00:12:19.780 Because the Islamic invasion would not have happened unless the real estate community and the business community, the halal food, were not in business with the Muslims. 0.96

00:12:27.240 The H-1B visa, the student training scam, the student visa scam would not have happened unless the big tech companies, the great universities of Texas supported by the Texas people were not in bed with them. 0.99

00:12:40.560 How do you guys look at the tradeoff between the economic growth and what tech brings in this issue with both legal immigration and illegal immigration where you have populations that are really not compatible and won't assimilate into the Texas culture, sir?

00:12:59.960 Well, I think you kind of touched on that there.

00:13:02.540 What is the tradeoff?

00:13:03.640 You know, it's a Faustian bargain. 0.90

00:13:04.940 And I think we have to realize and come to terms with there's actually economic reasons why immigration is bad. 0.53

00:13:11.720 But, you know, America is more than an economic zone.

00:13:15.040 It's our home.

00:13:15.960 And I talked about this on my speech.

00:13:17.540 You know, Texas especially wasn't meant to be rented out to everyone else.

00:13:21.660 It's for us to keep on our own.

00:13:23.400 So I think, you know, you can have some benefits from legal immigration here and there.

00:13:28.040 Let's say we wanted to, you know, bring infrastructure and start building things over here.

00:13:33.220 I'm not against government efficiency and saying, you know, we bring a few thousand legal immigrants over here to train people on how to build microchips. 0.99

00:13:41.640 You know, I'm not totally against that. But we're not seeing immigration. We're seeing invasion. 0.99

00:13:46.860 We're seeing, you know, our way of life completely ripped apart and changed. 0.86

00:13:51.360 This isn't just some small scale immigration. This is something that the American people didn't vote for. 0.99

00:13:56.260 This is something we didn't want. It came with the Hartzeller Act of 1965.

00:13:59.740 spot. So yeah, things have changed and we didn't want it to be this way. Noah, where do people go

00:14:06.260 on social media to follow you? You're one of the emerging young voices in this movement. Where do

00:14:10.740 folks go? You can find me at Noah Bolch on Instagram and X and TikTok. So those are the

00:14:18.360 platforms I'm mainly on. Okay, Noah, we're going to follow you. Amazing speech at the Young

00:14:24.420 Republicans of Texas. And I got to tell you, I think it's the most important organization

00:14:28.920 in this country right now because they've got fire breathers like yourselves, very dedicated

00:14:33.460 people taking on the toughest issues. You guys are not blinking. So thank you so much for kicking off

00:14:37.700 the afternoon edition of The War Room. Appreciate you, sir.

00:14:41.620 Yes, sir. Thank you for having me on.

00:14:43.800 The Crusades. Is it time to get one here in the United States of America? They're revving up in

00:14:50.380 Europe. Winston Marshall is here to tell us all about it next in the war room.

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00:18:07.920 What a show.

00:18:08.940 I start with Noah Bolch.

00:18:10.660 These young Republicans in Texas are real warriors and just an amazing group taking on the toughest topics of the day, the toughest issues, some that are quite uncomfortable.

00:18:20.700 This is why I say Beau French, who's running for the head of the Railroad Commission in Texas, which you remember from the 19th century, from really the building of the railroads in Texas.

00:18:30.660 This is the way that the oil industry is regulated, so it's quite important.

00:18:34.520 But he's also – Beau is also at the forefront of this issue about, quote-unquote, legal immigration.

00:18:40.180 And so that's why it's so important.

00:18:43.100 Winston Marshall, one of the smartest young men out there, had a piece up that I got a chance to see called Crusade Maxing.

00:18:51.180 And since everything we did in Texas really came off Peter McIlvenna and the team, 0.74

00:18:55.260 Peter, remember, I think is one of the guys that understands radical Islam better than anybody.

00:19:01.120 He came to Texas in November of 2025, and one of the things we asked Peter when he came and spent a week,

00:19:05.880 we said, hey, if you look at the same time comparison between London and Texas, where are we?

00:19:12.900 And McElvester goes back and goes, Bannon, Texas is so farther gone than London at the same time.

00:19:20.020 I go, what are you talking about?

00:19:21.020 He says, well, when the Muslims first started coming back or the Islamists first started coming back, it was the end of the empire and people were coming back from these colonies.

00:19:29.520 They were – because of the class distinctions and the religious, they didn't have any access to the media, the business community, finance, nothing. 0.96

00:19:36.480 They built these enclaves.

00:19:38.380 Of course now our theory of the case is London is pretty close to falling as you see in Paris. 0.93

00:19:44.760 But in Texas, McElvin has said, he says, hey, the real estate community has embraced the Islamic invasion. 0.77

00:19:53.300 They're looking to sell properties of two or three times the size.

00:19:56.460 Steve Wallace just came on Saturday's show and said the exact same thing is happening in Florida.

00:20:02.300 Why? You have collaborators. You have law firms, public relations firms, zoning architects, engineers,

00:20:09.640 particularly the real estate finance business that is in business with the Islamists. 1.00

00:20:14.940 And that's one of the reasons that Texas hangs in the balance. 0.70

00:20:18.380 And it's the reason we came down here in January of this year with Gert Wilders and Glenn Beck

00:20:24.880 and kicked off the proposition of Sharia law to prohibit Sharia law in the state of Texas. 0.52

00:20:29.980 Since that time, the Muslim Brotherhood and Caribbean designated terrorist organizations.

00:20:34.340 But this fight is a fight that's going all the way through this general election.

00:20:38.000 And I mean, it's one of the it's we've given permission structure, but it's right below the surface as the key issue that are driving things today.

00:20:46.000 And the second issue is this issue about legal immigration.

00:20:49.080 I want to bring in Winston Marshall. So when you say crusade maxing, I hope you're just not talking about Europe because we have a massive problem here.

00:20:57.700 And quite frankly, I see like the young Republicans of Texas in these different groups are coming up of principally young men, but some some young women of being the really the new crusaders. 0.74

00:21:09.620 And that's a brand that we proudly embrace because we think that the whole history of the Crusades has been smeared by a bunch of left-wing and progressive historians that are trying to make it like a bad thing instead of a response to the overwhelming military victories of the Muslims. 0.63

00:21:30.160 Winston Marshall, the floor is yours. 0.68

00:21:31.740 What is crusade maxing?

00:21:33.460 What does it mean and why is it important?

00:21:35.040 well you're worried about america where your muslim population is only one percent in france

00:21:41.060 where we're seeing what i believe to be the birth pangs of what will likely be a decade decades long

00:21:47.600 anarchy and it's not just in france by the way we're seeing it in italy we're seeing it in

00:21:53.080 belgium and we've seen a version of it in britain uh the muslim population of france is as much as

00:21:59.460 10%. In Britain, it's 4%, 5%, 6%. And so you are a long way off where what we are. And I have to

00:22:09.020 say, it's pretty bleak times right now. Now, within that, it seems there has been a very strange

00:22:16.860 beacon of hope, which is there has been a natural grassroots emergence of a sort of

00:22:24.180 of uh rediscovery of the crusade so this is not coming from intellectuals this is not coming from

00:22:31.120 uh hoity-toity types who are sort of pontificating from their armchairs this is coming from

00:22:36.420 regular working people they are not just hoisting the cross of saint george our national flag which

00:22:42.920 by the way was a crusade across originally from the knights templar they are actually now hoisting

00:22:48.760 the Jerusalem cross on roads, lampposts up and down the country. They are now chanting Christ

00:22:54.340 is King when they go down to the south coast to try and stop the illegal migrants who are coming 1.00

00:22:59.260 in their hundreds of thousands to the coast. They're trying to stop them. We have seen at 1.00

00:23:04.380 Tommy Robertson marches, people not just in crusader costumes, but they have their crusader

00:23:09.940 flags with them. At Reform UK, Nigel Farage's party at his rallies, we have seen people dressed

00:23:15.720 as Richard the Lionheart, I think the greatest of all crusaders, although I'm English, so I'm a

00:23:20.540 little biased when it comes to that. We are seeing what is emerging as a clinging to this part of

00:23:26.920 history. It's rediscovery of this history. And I don't think it's for nothing. Because, you know,

00:23:32.020 why not, if we're being invaded by the South Coast, then we are. Why is it that it's not sort

00:23:36.600 of World War II history that's coming back? And I think that's for a couple of reasons.

00:23:41.440 Firstly, the fault lines when it comes to illegal immigration and mass migration. 1.00

00:23:46.020 I mean, there are many, many problems, but one of the first fault line is Islam. 0.99

00:23:50.180 It is the fact that we have almost a series of Islamist attacks that sort of never seem to stop. 0.99

00:23:56.920 We have, as you saw in France with the protests, they are not hoisting the tricolor. 0.83

00:24:03.480 They're hoisting the free Palestine, the Palestine flag, the Algiers flag, Algeria flag and Moroccan flags.

00:24:08.920 We hear them as they are looting, saying, voila, which means in God's name. 0.80

00:24:14.480 We see them as they are looting, stopping to pray towards Mecca.

00:24:18.500 This seems to be the big fault line.

00:24:20.220 Now, as for England, you will no doubt be quite aware of the decades long.

00:24:25.420 I mean, this is since the early 1950s, Pakistani rape gang scandal in which hundreds of thousands of young British girls,

00:24:33.400 indigenous girls, underclass girls, not even working class, the left behind, the most forgotten 0.98

00:24:39.360 of all our children, have been systematically abused because they are kafir, because they are

00:24:45.900 not Muslim, by these people from a very specific region in Pakistan, who, by the way, quite regularly

00:24:53.920 cite the Hadith or the Koran to justify what they're doing, and the systemic cover-up by

00:25:02.720 either members of that community who have infiltrated local councils or local police,

00:25:07.520 but also by, I guess you would say, lefties too scared to be called racist to do anything about

00:25:15.500 it. And it's one of the real horrors in our nation's history. I mean, all time horrors.

00:25:20.200 If you read that story, you can't even believe it's bloody true. Anyway, emerging from that is

00:25:28.920 a sense of well when was it in history that the christians actually stood up as you pointed out

00:25:35.300 as you introduced me there was a time the crusades when muslims were being persecuted

00:25:40.360 on mass which by the way is from the beginning of islam as is islam comes out of arabia

00:25:45.180 it spreads in a hundred years it conquers three quarters of christendom by the scimitar not 0.86

00:25:52.820 peacefully by the scimitar all of north africa was christian all of spain was christian they

00:25:58.340 even got halfway up through France to Tours. All of Syria was Christian. All of Egypt was Christian.

00:26:03.400 Eventually, of course, you know that they took Anatolia and Sicily, all of Greece. In their long history, it's been a civilizational battle. 0.88

00:26:13.820 And there was a time back in the medieval period when the elites, the chainmail elites rather than the lanyard elites,

00:26:21.540 actually stood up for those persecuted people

00:26:26.240 whom they had a responsibility to, a duty to,

00:26:29.840 on the other side of Christendom,

00:26:31.660 and went and risked their lives.

00:26:33.020 And it was almost certain death to go across,

00:26:36.120 many of them marching across the continent,

00:26:39.160 not just sailing across the Mediterranean.

00:26:41.460 And they went there to defend those people.

00:26:43.640 There was elite who actually took on the responsibility

00:26:46.800 of being an elite and sacrificing themselves

00:26:49.960 for those people in their in their civilization so i think that's part of it i think there's

00:26:57.900 another thing that's very interesting and quite shocking is that the church of england official

00:27:02.800 church of england have really taken against to this and they they won't call it the sort of

00:27:08.140 crusades maxing but they identify it as a sort of rise in christian nationalism and i don't mean a

00:27:14.240 theological christian nationalism i mean nationalists who are christians of course the

00:27:20.360 great irony is that england is a christian nationalist country founded by king alfred the

00:27:24.840 great anyway the music's indicating i need to wrap it up but no no hang on i'm gonna keep you

00:27:30.520 through the break this is too fascinating and i take it that we're not more i take it we're not

00:27:36.860 marching we're not going to march to jerusalem to reinstall a new christian state which i'm a

00:27:42.000 big believer in but we're going to talk we'll start in paris and london winston marshall is our

00:27:47.760 guest we'll continue on natalie winner's going to join us tiffany justice is going to be on to

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00:28:03.540 some breakdown of pretty good news coming out of texas at least one way to look at it short

00:28:08.960 commercial break. Winston Marshall, Crusade Maxing, next in the war room.

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00:29:47.640 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:29:50.160 And Winston Marshall. Winston, a couple of things. Why? How did because I don't know, I've got 100 books on the Crusades and very few of them.

00:30:04.460 I think Hillar was a Belak is one of the few that gives a positive history of the Crusades. 0.92

00:30:10.300 I think Teddy Roosevelt, there's very few positive, I think, truthful stories about the Crusades. 1.00

00:30:17.640 Most of the histories you read, most of the academic literature could not be more negative on the shortcomings of the Crusades.

00:30:25.980 I don't think that's a fair representation.

00:30:28.540 But how did working men and women, middle class men and women who are not from Oxford, not from Cambridge, how did what was it in back of this infusion of energy about the Crusades?

00:30:43.720 What did they read? Just walk me through how you think this happened.

00:30:48.160 Well, actually, I will just address the first point about the way in which the Crusades were turned into an evil.

00:30:55.820 I think this happened in three simple parts. Part one was the Enlightenment.

00:30:59.160 And you have the likes of Edward Gibbon and Voltaire who claim the, sorry, actually, the part one was the Reformation, sorry,

00:31:05.960 with Martin Luther, who said anything to do with the Catholic Church was evil.

00:31:12.860 So he he he put the Crusades in that camp, although he did slightly change his tune on the siege of Vienna, rather ironically.

00:31:20.300 Then part two is the Enlightenment with the likes of Edward Gibbon and Voltaire, who that because they become sort of more materialist,

00:31:27.540 they find it harder and harder to understand how anyone could do anything for spiritual reasons,

00:31:34.180 because they themselves, I think, could relate to that less.

00:31:38.300 and you have after the second world war the this is perhaps the biggest impact on on contemporary

00:31:46.320 thought of crusaders is is runciman the historian who hated steven steven steven runciman who became

00:31:55.000 kind of the exactly right the academic the leader and kind of academia's uh assault on the crusades

00:32:01.100 right that's right and he does two very interesting things if you read him he's speaking very much in

00:32:07.060 the post-1945 worldview, which is he describes Crusades as a long act of intolerance, which

00:32:14.660 again, intolerance, that's straight out of Karl Popper. And he also used the Nurembergism

00:32:19.340 of a crime against humanity. So that's how he sort of frames it. There's something that's

00:32:25.180 even more shocking. In Britain, there is an official Department for Education report from

00:32:30.000 2007 that shows schools are no longer teaching the crusades lest it offend muslim kids so there's

00:32:38.360 kind of like the four hammer blows to the crusades over time and and uh it's it's i think part of the

00:32:45.300 eradication of that uh what i think is a truly proud legacy with exceptions i mean the fourth

00:32:50.720 crusades and we don't need to get into all of that necessarily um but as per your your question

00:32:55.860 about why is it this coming from working men and working people i think that there is a a true

00:33:02.940 christian aspect to this where uh jesus is is people have been desperate and and jesus has come

00:33:11.000 and given them hope and jesus the state has failed them the elites have failed them uh the media class

00:33:17.660 has failed them every part of society has failed them all the police the justice system everything's

00:33:23.540 two-tier. And so they're on their knees. And I do believe that's part of it. And frankly,

00:33:29.100 I totally understand why it's like that. And then they see a new, robust Christianity in that

00:33:36.980 legacy. Now, if you look at the Church of England today, they are the antithesis of everything. 0.94

00:33:43.200 They're completely wet. One of them, a recent Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams,

00:33:48.820 was suggesting that we should tolerate Sharia law to some extent in this country,

00:33:52.740 Only two weeks ago, our current Archbishop of Canterbury, Sarah Mullally, invited Muslims wearing a full niqab.

00:34:04.360 I mean, you couldn't even see her eyes.

00:34:06.280 And her husband, who had celebrated Osama bin Laden after 9-11, she invited them to the Synod. 0.91

00:34:13.780 So basically, you've got a completely wet, corrupt Church of England.

00:34:18.200 And so these people are looking at this and saying it doesn't work.

00:34:21.200 But they found Jesus.

00:34:22.400 Jesus has come to them. And then you see, I think, this example of the Crusades where it's OK and noble to defend your families and it's OK and noble to defend your your country's borders.

00:34:34.920 I think what we might see, though, is the example of the Reconquista. 0.56

00:34:38.980 And it's quite sad if you think that it took 700 years for Spain to be taken back by Christians, because because I hope it doesn't take 700 years for us to reclaim England. 0.98

00:34:50.300 But it might be that that's the example. 0.90

00:34:53.200 I don't think this is about going to the Levant, which was at one point a majority Christian.

00:35:00.100 I think this is more about saving the Christian project of England.

00:35:04.120 uh when they when you see the palestinian flags in in these protests isn't that directly related

00:35:11.980 to this war uh in uh in in in palestine and not a broader theme of islamic takeover of the west or

00:35:20.300 you do you tie those two together because i think those are actually quite separate there's don't

00:35:25.300 get me wrong there's a big push coming out of qatar coming out of uh saudi arabia coming out

00:35:31.280 out of Turkey, out of Pakistan, plenty of money. I see it in Texas all the time of trying to have

00:35:36.020 the Islamic invasion there. But is because you're not proposing that we're going to go back

00:35:43.480 and free everything, both Palestine and Judea, Samaria in the Levant. You're arguing that you've

00:35:52.880 got to do a crusade both in Paris and in London, correct? Steve, after October 7th in London,

00:35:59.860 before Israel had even responded.

00:36:02.520 In fact, they wouldn't respond for several weeks after that.

00:36:05.200 I was walking around London and I was on the tube,

00:36:09.140 on our metro service, having come back from a vigil

00:36:12.180 with my Jewish friends.

00:36:13.700 And I was shoulder to shoulder with some men

00:36:16.680 who had just come back from the Israel embassy.

00:36:18.600 They were wearing keffirs.

00:36:20.240 They were carrying the Palestine flag

00:36:21.800 and their chests were full and they were happy.

00:36:26.000 They were joyous.

00:36:27.960 And you say you think it's a different issue.

00:36:30.760 Well, I say there's a couple of things here.

00:36:32.080 I do think for these people, they lump it all in the same thing.

00:36:36.000 They see Israel as an outpost of Western civilization.

00:36:39.740 And I've spent time in Lebanon. 0.98

00:36:41.840 They celebrate defeating the Crusaders there.

00:36:44.740 I've been in the mosques of Baalbek and seen the paintings celebrating that.

00:36:49.880 I think it's part of it. 0.98

00:36:50.860 But some of the biggest trash talk about the Crusades comes directly out of Israel. 0.97

00:36:57.160 I mean, the Israelis are not fans of the Crusaders. 0.91

00:36:59.880 They actually say that the Crusaders, when they took Jerusalem, when we when Jerusalem was delivered in the first Crusades.

00:37:07.160 And I would have to argue as great as Richard the third, Richard the Lionhearted was that the Norman Knights in the first Crusade were probably the biggest badasses. 0.69

00:37:16.000 When they took Jerusalem, they kind of they had casual, let's say casual Muslim casualties and Jewish and Israeli casualties were were plentiful. 0.51

00:37:25.980 but the christian knights in care they see that as a christian state they set up the kingdom of 0.69

00:37:32.460 jerusalem was set up as a christian state full stop right the jews can have access to it the

00:37:39.720 muslims can have certain access to it under certain conditions but it was a christian state was it not

00:37:44.620 sir it was a christian state i think that what's very important and forgotten is that the jews that

00:37:52.940 were killed by the Crusaders, many of them had aligned with the Muslims in defending

00:38:00.320 the Muslims who were there. Winston, I agree with you on that. I think history shows that.

00:38:09.360 That's not the way it's presented in Israel. The Israelis are not fans of the Crusaders. In fact,

00:38:14.660 I would argue the Israelis are less fans of the Crusaders than the Muslims are. I think that's 1.00

00:38:20.400 just a fact. And I think that's one of the issues. I'm a huge proponent that we do need, if they're

00:38:25.500 going to allow a two-state solution because of their conduct in this war, if President Trump

00:38:31.220 started with the Peace Board and is going to allow a two-state solution with Gaza, with Qatar,

00:38:36.360 the railhead of the financing of the Muslim Brotherhood, financing the rebuilding of Gaza, 0.65

00:38:41.520 and the Turks, which is one of the beating hearts of the Muslim Brotherhood, provide the security. 0.78

00:38:46.360 Hey, greater minds than mine are putting that together, that if you're going to have a two-state solution, we have to reestablish a Christian state in Israel. 0.84

00:38:54.960 Do we not, sir? Don't we owe it? Don't we owe it to the crusaders?

00:38:58.260 I mean, how are you going to retake London?

00:39:01.080 How are you going to retake Paris when the basic beating heart of the original crusades was that the Holy Land was the Holy Land, and it's a Christian Holy Land? 0.58

00:39:11.240 How are you going to do that if you're not at the forefront of saying the Crusades were actually positive, right? 0.53

00:39:17.860 And what they did in setting up the Christian state of Jerusalem was positive.

00:39:23.440 Steve, we're talking about England and France here having been sort of colonized by huge swarms of people from other civilizations. 0.99

00:39:33.400 you want to talk about retaking uh israel for a christian state but like that's it's so we don't

00:39:41.040 even have our own country right now i you know this if we don't have england well it's kind of

00:39:46.360 absurd to talk about making anywhere else christian you know even leave alone leave alone even the

00:39:53.040 idea of uh it being israel specifically there was a time 150 years ago when we would proudly go

00:39:59.940 around the world teaching the good news teaching the gospel and that's what a lot of the british

00:40:05.240 empire legacy was it was giving christianity to africa giving it to other parts of the world

00:40:10.540 and and spreading the good news i don't know what mine territorially where it is but what i do mind

00:40:15.600 is that my own country is being replaced by a different culture and the culture of england

00:40:22.680 which was a christian project we're losing that the core of the crusades you know general allenby

00:40:28.820 right for the first time in a thousand years a british general with t.e lawrence and others

00:40:34.600 actually freed jerusalem for the first time from muslin control for i think over a thousand years

00:40:39.800 from you go right from the last chapter of gibbons to general allenby i think in 1916 or 1970 with

00:40:46.280 arab revolt to basically free in the head the huge fight over damascus and all that my point is is 0.73

00:40:51.760 that to you have to have a predicate to say i'm having crusades and rid my country of this horrific 0.96

00:40:58.580 Islamic influence, which obviously in England it's happened, and in France it's probably worse, 0.99

00:41:04.160 and the rest of Europe, particularly some of the other places like Germany, etc., it's terrible. 0.98

00:41:09.280 But if you don't lay as a predicate, oh yeah, by the way, the key of the Crusades was the freeing

00:41:15.180 of where Christ Jesus himself taught, where Christ Jesus was born and died, if you don't use that as

00:41:22.400 a predicate that we have to somehow have a major Christian presence in the governance of the Holy

00:41:29.480 Land, how are you going to then inspire people to step up and do it in England? It's not going

00:41:34.500 to happen. If you don't lay that as a predicate, that yes, when we talk about that, a key part of

00:41:39.860 this is we're going to lay out, we're going to actually have a Christian state as part of, not

00:41:44.440 all of, but if they got a two-state solution in Gaza, if you have Qatar and Turkey, and this is

00:41:51.060 president trump's plan and look he's the guy calling the shots it's his plan but if you have

00:41:56.400 that a two-state solution why then don't you have the christian quarter in jerusalem we have the

00:42:01.480 church of the holy sepulcher you have a pathway maybe to bethlehem you start there you have these

00:42:06.300 christian enclaves in uh in the in judea samaria that are part of a christian state sir well we

00:42:15.540 can also talk about how constantinople was a christian for a long time there's a lot of

00:42:19.620 Okay, Winston, Winston, Winston, Winston, you're avoiding the answer.

00:42:24.360 I understand Constantinople, and that's why if you read, if you read, hey, I'm all for,

00:42:29.180 I used a free Constantinople shirt with Rahim Kassam.

00:42:33.020 Rahim gave it to me for Christmas a couple of years ago.

00:42:35.900 I'm 100% for that.

00:42:37.300 But the Haggai, Sofia, et cetera, may be a little downrange since we're putting Turkey

00:42:41.180 in charge of security for Gaza.

00:42:43.540 I'm not so sure we're going to be taking Constantinople.

00:42:45.800 What I do know is that the Israelis depend upon us for defense.

00:42:49.920 Why are we not having a section of a new Christian state in Israel?

00:42:56.500 To be honest, I haven't thought about that.

00:42:59.140 I will say this.

00:43:01.360 The reason why I am inspired by the Crusades is not actually the territorial aspect.

00:43:06.420 It's the fact that they defended their fellow Christians.

00:43:10.080 And for me, that's what I find personally.

00:43:12.620 Let's take a short commercial break.

00:43:14.760 We'll continue a little bit of this on the other side.

00:43:17.060 I would argue that Richard the Lionhearted and the Norman Knights would not say America is an idea.

00:43:26.480 The Holy Land is the Holy Land because it's where the path of Christ and his apostles tread.

00:43:35.400 Short break.

00:43:36.360 Winston Marshall on the other side.

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00:45:18.480 War Room.

00:45:19.500 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:45:22.400 Okay, Natalie's going to join me in a few minutes.

00:45:24.820 The color revolution issue with the Brazil situation, the Serbia situation, whether it's Texas or Michigan,

00:45:34.240 these constant fights we have going on, the color revolution in the United States more than ever.

00:45:39.300 And Natalie's going to join us here momentarily. So, Winston, I'll have you back on. I want to spend time with you between shows and get you back up, because I think this is a key concept.

00:45:48.480 It's the reason I had one of the members of the Young Republicans of Texas, which I think is essentially a foreshadowing of a new crusade.

00:45:58.600 uh where to once again do you have a book your article's a starting point i love the way you

00:46:04.800 break down the crosses you do some very basic stuff that i think can get some people very

00:46:09.640 excited about this but once again was there any book since like ever since runciman if you read

00:46:14.640 all of the literature it's so against the crusades and you know these people were terrible etc do you

00:46:22.200 have a book you recommend do you have magazine you go to a website uh besides your article

00:46:28.140 where can people start to get as inspired as the working class in england right now sir

00:46:33.240 it's very simple i think the most important historian working today is raymond ibrahim

00:46:39.420 and his books particularly the sword and scimitar but also defenders of the west

00:46:45.320 are phenomenal i have had him on my show several times we've just done an episode

00:46:49.860 which uh went very big numbers about this exact topic of the crusades coming back but

00:46:57.140 we also went through the true history of islam in the west and and something that's not uh that's

00:47:04.780 it's not just the crusaders that we've been writing about his his three volume we're proud

00:47:09.700 to say that i think the war room drove because we have a huge book reading population drove all three

00:47:14.760 to their bestseller status the sword and scimitar the whole 1400 years then you've got defenders of

00:47:20.280 the west he actually takes individuals and then he takes the battles you read those three volumes

00:47:25.140 or most importantly, for Christmas, get them as a set for a young man or woman in your life.

00:47:31.540 It'll change things. He's absolutely incredible. And he has novelistic techniques. You're kind of

00:47:36.760 on the edge of your seat the entire time. So I'm glad to know that our guest was right there. You're

00:47:42.020 saying Rayburn Abraham, who's just a Coptic Christian from Egypt, has just done an incredible

00:47:46.140 job. Where do they go to get all your podcasts, to get all your content, and particularly to focus

00:47:52.080 on this crusade maxing, because Winston, I think you're onto something. I think you're onto

00:47:56.440 something that's quite powerful, sir. Thank you, Steve. You can come to the

00:48:01.760 Winston Marshall Show on YouTube or winstonmarshall.co.uk, which is our substack,

00:48:07.420 and we have lots of contents on this. We deal with Islam in Europe, Islam in Britain,

00:48:12.440 and a lot of crusade stuff as well. So that's the Winston Marshall Show. Thank you, Steve. 0.75

00:48:17.780 Now, I'm here to break breaking news that Winston, I've asked Winston, he's going to join me on the executive committee of my new, the new Christian state of Jerusalem.

00:48:26.660 I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. But I will spend time with you afterwards and make a hard pitch.

00:48:32.220 Now I know I need Crusade Maxing, the leader of the Crusade Maxing effort on that.

00:48:37.720 Winston, once again, fantastic. We'll get everybody over to your YouTube channel.

00:48:41.280 Thank you so much, sir. Appreciate you.

00:48:43.140 Thank you, Steve. Very good to speak to you. Thank you.

00:48:45.140 Crusade Maxing. Brilliant.

00:48:47.780 So Natalie Winters, from the sublime to maybe the less sublime.

00:48:52.720 I think today, Natalie, after what happened in Brazil and Serbia, more than ever, this issue of color revolutions is now more important than ever because I see a very dark specter hanging over these elections next Tuesday.

00:49:10.900 And look, we're going to have Tiffany Justice on.

00:49:13.100 We're going to get in the next hour.

00:49:14.300 We're going to have everybody get access to phone banking and do all this.

00:49:17.940 And some of the numbers are definitely there's been a momentum shift.

00:49:20.980 I don't see a blue tsunami or blue wave.

00:49:23.160 Not that we're not going to take some big losses and could even lose the House, maybe the Senate.

00:49:27.680 But I have definitely seen a vibe shift and an effort shift.

00:49:30.820 But I'm not so sure that's I'm not so sure that speaks to the real battle we're fighting.

00:49:35.860 I do believe that is, as you've done such great work over the last few years on color revolutions.

00:49:44.100 So before we get in specific, because I do want to wait to the next hour of that, just tell me where do you think we stand in the closing days of this midterm, ma'am?

00:49:51.540 well steve i think that it's sort of a very complex answer but i think all the ground

00:49:59.160 that kind of republican world has ceded to democrats that there's going to be

00:50:03.560 a blue wave um is probably the worst thing that we could do um for the if you look at this through

00:50:10.660 the lens of a color revolution because what does that buy democrats well it buys them time after

00:50:17.380 ballots or votes or polls close because then all of a sudden when you want to challenge election

00:50:23.900 results all of a sudden you seem crazy right there's a quote from the new initiative that

00:50:29.500 we'll get into I'm sure after this break where they're basically trying to create a climate

00:50:34.320 quote where it is so inhospitable to election deniers that they choose to concede in other

00:50:40.840 words they are trying to shut down the possibility right to even have a contested election and what

00:50:47.240 we've seen is the merger of state power with all of the 2020-style initiatives. It's certainly

00:50:52.820 beginning to look a lot like 2020 again. So I would encourage everybody to not take that,

00:51:00.200 I don't know if it's a blue pill, a red pill, a black pill, whatever it would be,

00:51:03.120 because you're only buying into their kind of misinformation and their entire PSYOP.

00:51:09.520 But more to the point, Steve, whether it's Serbia, Brazil, part of it is the election. But as we've

00:51:15.360 seen from that clip that we played with Indivisible, it's more about using these elections as a

00:51:21.240 predicate to put basically all of us in prison. I'm not being hyperbolic or anything when I say

00:51:28.140 that. They say as much. And to the point which we'll get to, I think, the censorship aspect

00:51:32.780 after the break, which is something that we've not focused on as much. You have to remember, Steve,

00:51:37.680 first of all, this term of pre-bunking, it was actually first used, I believe, in academic

00:51:41.980 research in the context of brazil i believe we exposed that um but this whole granting process

00:51:48.340 to you know stop misinformation disinformation censorship all that stuff like 98 of those

00:51:55.020 government-backed grants started after 2016 and basically all of them are tethered to you know

00:52:01.620 the wild populist uprisings so it's quite interesting that this thing that is apparently

00:52:07.420 such an existential threat you know it only happened when misinformation all of a sudden

00:52:11.440 and got linked to candidates like President Trump

00:52:14.400 or Bolsonaro winning.

00:52:15.960 And I think you can see that on full display right now,

00:52:18.460 how it's been a pretext to basically lay the groundwork

00:52:21.400 or to lay the groundwork for censoring the truth,

00:52:23.720 which aligns obviously more so with populist candidates.

00:52:27.380 And on the other side, we've got a wild news story

00:52:30.160 about how Obama's hatchet men are coming to censor

00:52:33.060 all your election posts.

00:52:34.920 Unbelievable.

00:52:35.760 Okay, Natalie's gonna stick with us for the next hour. 0.99

00:52:38.320 Tiffany Justice is gonna join us

00:52:39.640 but how you can get onto a phone bank nationwide no matter where you are from the comfort of your own home.

00:52:47.340 Of course, John Hollis is going to be a deeper breakdown of the situation in Texas.

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Bannon's War Room - October 27, 2026

Episode 5762： Crusademaxxing And America First

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