Bannon's War Room - November 09, 2026


Episode 5795： Nvidia Sells Out America

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00:00:00.000 All right, one of the world's leading AI companies, NVIDIA, is investigating its CEO over his affair with a suspected Chinese spy.
00:00:10.380 Jensen Wang has revealed he was intimate with a business executive, and now U.S. Intel officials say she was collecting information for Beijing.
00:00:21.020 NVIDIA's announcement that it has opened an investigation into Wang's relationship with a businesswoman who intelligence agencies say is a Chinese spy.
00:00:30.860 The New York Times reported Friday that U.S. officials have concluded that the woman, Alice Wang, was a top executive at NVIDIA customer called Megaspeed, was recruited by the Chinese Ministry of State Security to spy on Wang.
00:00:45.220 Now, Alice Wang is no relation to Jensen Wang, even though they share the same last name.
00:00:49.980 And on top of that, the Financial Times reported Saturday that U.S. intelligence agencies believed that Wong and the female spy had a romantic relationship.
00:00:59.780 And then Sunday, the New York Times added another detail that Secretary of State Marco Rubio had circulated a classified memo before President Trump's trip to China last spring, warning that Alice Wong had been recruited to spy for the Chinese.
00:01:13.860 In a statement to NVIDIA employees on Sunday, Jensen Wong wrote in part,
00:01:19.360 I owe my family and all of you an apology.
00:01:22.080 I was unfaithful to my wife.
00:01:24.120 My actions hurt her and our children.
00:01:26.260 There is no excuse for what I did.
00:01:28.220 I am deeply sorry.
00:01:29.800 And in its statement, NVIDIA's board of directors said it had no reason to believe national security or NVIDIA secrets were compromised.
00:01:37.720 And the board said the board has confidence in Jensen and his leadership team and will provide further updates as appropriate about the national security implications about whether this Megaspeed company was, in fact, a real company and whether they should have gotten access to these chips.
00:01:54.980 There's also a governance question whether unto itself the affair, if you will, with a customer creates a problem for the company, whether that would be considered a fireable offense on its own.
00:02:11.240 And so and then there's this sort of big question, I think, on top of that, which is that Jensen Wang is a singular figure in the world of A.I.
00:02:20.440 People talk about NVIDIA as the central bank of AI, given all of its lending to so many other parts of the AI system.
00:02:28.420 If he were not to be in that seat, what would happen?
00:02:32.900 Yeah. So a lot to unpack there, Andrew.
00:02:35.620 And let's start just with the past couple of days, right, because there's this very odd hiccup in NVIDIA's response to all of this going back to the latter part of last week after the New York Times report and then the FT report coming over the weekend.
00:02:49.380 NVIDIA initially said that there was nothing unusual about Jensen Wong's relationship with Alice Wong,
00:02:55.660 that she was just a typical customer and they had all the typical business interactions.
00:03:00.000 That statement, we now know, was untrue.
00:03:02.420 So the question is, how did NVIDIA come to make that statement behind the scenes?
00:03:07.560 Did Jensen Wong lie to his board about his relationship with Alice Wong?
00:03:12.580 It's a perfectly human thing to do if you're caught having an affair, of course.
00:03:15.800 But in this case, given the espionage allegations, the fact that she's a prominent customer, the question of transshipment of chips to China, the truth really matters.
00:03:25.920 And so one of the initial questions is going to be, did Jensen Wang lie to his own board and cause them to put out that statement that then a couple of days later they had to admit was not true?
00:03:36.320 That's going to be part of not only NVIDIA's investigation internally of this, but Congress's investigation.
00:03:41.840 They've invited Jensen Wang to come testify later this month.
00:03:45.800 and also U.S. law enforcement and U.S. intelligence.
00:03:49.340 So there's a lot riding on this.
00:03:51.540 And then the question of Jensen Wang's centrality in the AI industry.
00:03:55.260 I mean, this is a multi, multi-trillion dollar industry.
00:03:58.420 If it can't survive the departure of one person, you know, it does call into question the entire AI trade, right?
00:04:04.780 So either there's somebody who can backstop Jensen Wang or this trade starts to look a little bit more precarious than it did before.
00:04:13.740 if it's so dependent on just one guy.
00:04:17.660 Eamon, two other related questions.
00:04:20.300 The first, is it surprising to you that the government never got in touch
00:04:26.280 with NVIDIA or Jensen himself prior to this leak, meaning about this spy?
00:04:34.280 Is it surprising that nobody came to him and the company and said,
00:04:37.420 look, you're dealing with a spy here.
00:04:40.160 You need to stop this.
00:04:41.840 This is a problem.
00:04:42.700 and then whatever else. It is surprising, Andrew. The typical course of action would be if the U.S.
00:04:49.580 intelligence community develops information about a spy and say the spy is targeting Ford Motor
00:04:55.140 Company. The IC would go to Ford Motor Company's security team and to the CEO's personal team and
00:05:01.320 say, we have this information. You need to know about that. That's called a defensive briefing,
00:05:06.140 often given by the FBI to an American target of espionage. The New York Times is reporting is
00:05:11.720 that didn't happen in this case. And my intelligence sources say there's two possible
00:05:17.560 reasons for that. One is that the information simply wasn't developed and ripe enough
00:05:22.440 to be conclusive. And so they weren't ready to go to Jensen Wong with that.
00:05:27.520 That seems unlikely, given that they had apparently recordings or transcripts of Jensen
00:05:33.160 Wong's communications with Alice Wong that were conducted through U.S. surveillance.
00:05:38.600 The other possibility is that they may have believed that Jensen Wong was a participant in this espionage.
00:05:44.920 And if the person you're looking at you believe is a Chinese spy himself,
00:05:49.580 then you wouldn't give him a defensive briefing to let him know what U.S. intelligence knows about that.
00:05:54.000 First of all, obviously really sad about it. Sad for his wife.
00:05:57.440 Against full stop, full stop, Denver, full stop.
00:06:00.380 Oh, gosh. We finally got down to the hub of it.
00:06:05.560 This show is about signal, not noise.
00:06:07.340 there's so much noise about the honeypot forget the honeypot that's a limited hangout what have 0.85
00:06:14.240 we said on this show for i don't know two years jensen wong is a ccp agent of influence i've said 0.79
00:06:22.000 it a hundred times thousand times given speeches about it he's a ccp agent of influence he's 0.51
00:06:31.400 constantly saying it doesn't matter what company, what country wins the AI race. It doesn't matter 0.92
00:06:38.420 what company wins the AI race. He says it all the time. China is fine. We have hammered when
00:06:46.400 I accepted with the Bernie Sanders, you know, the, the, but the humanity of all this and Bernie gave
00:06:52.700 a, a globalist left-wing solution. He wanted to sign a, a Geneva accord with the CCP and the
00:07:01.160 president. He was going to present it before President Xi shows up. And I stood up there and
00:07:05.340 said, hey, I've got another alternative. It's called a populist nationalist alternative.
00:07:10.140 These guys don't call the shots. The American people call the shots. And specifically,
00:07:14.880 Jensen Wong, who continues to give them chips. If we cut off the chips and hermetically seal
00:07:21.620 them from the chips, they cannot compete. And then we can have a little time to figure out what the
00:07:27.580 regulatory apparatus should be. Should it be something like the Atomic Energy Commission
00:07:31.560 or should it be something? We know it's got to be something, but what can it be?
00:07:35.560 And it buys us time to actually do that and make some smart decisions
00:07:38.920 to make sure we get the benefits of this technology without
00:07:42.900 all of the downside, which is what we're getting right now.
00:07:49.940 But it requires us
00:07:51.880 to focus on all the Frontier Lab guys,
00:07:55.800 But particularly Jensen Wong, because his company, the trillion dollar industry, his company, I think, was worth five trillion dollars before this started to crash.
00:08:06.080 Why is Rubio's memo so highly classified?
00:08:11.440 Why was this never shared with Jensen Wong?
00:08:14.380 And right there at the end, you find they finally get down to it because they believe that Jensen Wong is a spy.
00:08:22.040 They believe what Stephen K. Bannon in the war room has hammered for years.
00:08:27.760 He's an agent of influence in the most important national security defense industry.
00:08:34.760 He's an agent of influence for the Chinese Communist Party.
00:08:37.860 And kind of that's an open secret in Taiwan and in China.
00:08:43.240 It's not it's not everybody knows he's playing both sides.
00:08:46.960 But his home team is the CCP.
00:08:51.980 And he's the CCP.
00:08:52.040 This whole thing with the honeypot and the girl and, you know, the bing, bing, ba-bong, that's all the misdirection play.
00:08:59.860 Right there at the end, they finally got to it. 0.51
00:09:02.180 Why was NVIDIA not approached like they would approach industrial espionage by the Chinese Communist Party?
00:09:10.680 I think we lose $600 billion a year, I think is the analysis of the committees in Congress, of which most companies don't pursue because they don't want to be cut out from the Chinese market.
00:09:19.780 and you've got all these venture capital firms that are pouring money into China
00:09:25.420 and private equity firms pouring money into China,
00:09:29.640 investment banks that are still taking Chinese companies public.
00:09:33.960 The entire corrupt Wall Street CCP connection is revolting
00:09:39.480 and nobody wants to touch Jensen Wong,
00:09:42.140 although he's obviously, there's something amiss.
00:09:45.460 It's not about, why did they lie initially?
00:09:48.480 They have to lie because they can't take an investigation because it's not about the girl.
00:09:55.080 It's not about a girl being a spy.
00:09:56.580 It's not about him having some sort of relationship with the honeypot.
00:10:02.040 That's kind of the normal course of business in these companies.
00:10:04.400 This is what the CCP does.
00:10:07.860 This is what they do.
00:10:09.620 It's not.
00:10:10.280 He's an agent of influence, and he's selling and allowing to be sold on the black market.
00:10:15.320 You know, this woman has something obviously to do with in Singapore and other places.
00:10:19.220 He's allowing them to get the most advanced chips in the world.
00:10:24.640 This is why it's a race where I'll sit there and go, we've got to, we can't put any restrictions on anybody.
00:10:28.860 We can't, we can't, we can't.
00:10:30.380 You know why?
00:10:31.160 They're only six months behind.
00:10:32.460 They're only six months behind.
00:10:33.560 They're only six months behind.
00:10:34.740 Well, if we didn't give them the chips, they wouldn't be six months behind.
00:10:37.540 They'd be years behind.
00:10:38.640 Oh, you can't say that, Steve.
00:10:39.920 You can't say that because if we do that, then they're going to double and triple down to create their own industry.
00:10:44.240 Do you don't think they're doubling and tripling down right now?
00:10:46.540 It's the Chinese Communist Party.
00:10:47.560 Good God. 1.00
00:10:49.320 They're some of the smartest, most cunning, vicious leaders in mankind's history. 0.93
00:11:00.180 And they've slaughtered more of their own people than the Nazis slaughtered in their country or the Soviets slaughtered in their country. 1.00
00:11:07.620 They make the Bolsheviks and the Nazis look like pikers. 0.96
00:11:11.480 the brutality read Chinese history since they took over read it and if you can sit there without 0.78
00:11:19.900 being in terror yourself about the great leap forward and the cultural revolution and the 0.66
00:11:25.220 mass starvation they star and Mao would sit there and go hey how many this is back in the 50 60s hey 0.85
00:11:31.020 if we uh if we took a direct nuclear hit in other words we tried to take out Russia and the United
00:11:35.380 States and take them out with nuclear weapons how many people would lose they go I don't know 100 0.50
00:11:40.460 million. I think this is when China had 0.91
00:11:42.520 400 million. He goes, oh, that's not
00:11:44.500 a problem. Lao Bai Jing will
00:11:45.680 get that back in no time. That's
00:11:48.560 not a problem. 100 million people
00:11:49.840 irradiated. He didn't
00:11:52.620 care. You think
00:11:54.580 you've seen monsters? Study the history
00:11:56.460 of Mao. You want to see a monster?
00:11:58.880 That's the same guys running this deal
00:12:00.540 today.
00:12:02.960 They put on a little cooler
00:12:04.440 front, a little more ready for
00:12:06.540 the camera front, but there's no
00:12:08.540 difference. It's a difference in degree. It ain't a difference in kind. So now we got to get down
00:12:17.300 to it. Why was Rubio's memo not given right away? Why did the company lie initially?
00:12:24.740 Why was the FBI and others didn't? Because the guy's beyond a spy. He's not simply a spy. He's
00:12:32.160 an agent of influence. He says all the time. He repeats it over and over and over again.
00:12:37.620 It doesn't matter what country wins the AI race.
00:12:41.300 It doesn't matter what company wins the AI race.
00:12:43.340 We're all in this together.
00:12:44.420 It's a brotherhood of man.
00:12:46.920 It's a brotherhood of man.
00:12:49.940 Think the Chinese Communist Party would be selling us chips
00:12:52.980 or allowing one of their companies to black market chips in the United States of America
00:12:56.500 if they had a demonstrable lead?
00:12:59.260 Are you kidding me?
00:13:01.040 Are you serious?
00:13:04.320 These chips have to be cut off.
00:13:06.020 They have to be cut off because we need the time to think to an actual regulatory apparatus that doesn't crush an emergency industry, the emerging industry that could be changing, could change everything, could be like the steam engine.
00:13:20.520 But we just can't keep hurtling down with a bunch of on the spectrum dudes who are all being honey potted. 0.97
00:13:26.820 They're trying to honey pot from the Chinese Communist Party. 0.82
00:13:29.600 Mark Zuckerberg
00:13:33.420 and others
00:13:35.960 he's an agent of influence
00:13:39.920 it's obvious
00:13:41.540 we're going to take a short commercial break
00:13:46.260 I tell you I got McCabe at the White House
00:13:48.260 they're trying to impeach Pete Hexeth
00:13:49.720 Massey's got another
00:13:50.820 they've got redone eight charges
00:13:53.180 so that train's going to leave the station
00:13:55.580 and I hope that somebody's got a plan on this
00:13:58.640 I've seen some talking points, but I don't feel there's a plan on this.
00:14:02.780 Qatar is coming to talk about a deal.
00:14:05.500 Jim Fennell and Dr. Bradley Thayer are with us to go through exactly.
00:14:11.900 Captain Fennell has got an assessment of where we stand militarily in this fiasco in Persia.
00:14:21.000 Thayer's got some comments and observations on Jensen.
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00:16:17.060 Eamon, two other related questions.
00:16:19.320 The first, is it surprising to you that the government never got in touch with NVIDIA or Jensen himself prior to this leak, meaning about this spy?
00:16:33.940 Is it surprising that nobody came to him and the company said, look, you're dealing with a spy here.
00:16:39.840 You need to stop this. This is a problem. And then whatever else.
00:16:43.800 It is surprising, Andrew. The typical course of action would be if the U.S. intelligence community develops information about a spy and say the spy is targeting Ford Motor Company.
00:16:55.480 The IC would go to Ford Motor Company's security team and to the CEO's personal team and say, we have this information. You need to know about that.
00:17:04.220 That's called a defensive briefing often given by the FBI to an American target of espionage.
00:17:09.660 The New York Times is reporting is that didn't happen in this case.
00:17:13.720 And my intelligence sources say there's two possible reasons for that.
00:17:18.080 One is that the information simply wasn't developed and ripe enough to be conclusive.
00:17:23.440 And so they weren't ready to go to Jensen Wong with that.
00:17:27.180 That seems unlikely, given that they had apparently recordings or transcripts of Jensen Wong's communications with Alice Wong that were conducted through U.S. surveillance.
00:17:38.220 The other possibility is that they may have believed that Jensen Wang was a participant in this espionage.
00:17:44.580 And if the person you're looking at you believe is a Chinese spy himself,
00:17:48.840 then you wouldn't give him a defensive briefing to let him know what U.S. intelligence knows about that.
00:17:54.020 If the person you're looking at is a Chinese spy himself, so says CNBC in The Reporter.
00:18:01.060 And everybody's being very careful about this story because the guys, the chairman, CEO of the biggest company in the world, I think it's had before the Nosedive had a five trillion dollar, five trillion dollar market cap.
00:18:13.360 It is the premier chip designer, the chip manufacturer in the world.
00:18:19.300 uh dr bradley thayer and bradley thayer speaks uh from a uh from a uh a source of um um expertise
00:18:29.080 the author of america's 100 years war against communism you know it's all about mal all about 0.51
00:18:34.320 the ccp they're all over us on unrestricted warfare part of that is is business espionage 0.84
00:18:40.640 but this is deeper than that dr thayer jensen wong nvidia the chinese honeypot and what and 0.99
00:18:48.660 And it's so obvious to anybody that's in the intelligence community, know the intelligence community, we're talking around the topic.
00:18:56.040 We ain't talking about the thing itself.
00:18:58.160 Dr. Bradley Thayer.
00:19:00.480 Yeah, Steve.
00:19:01.060 Well, as you call this, of course, you've been on this for a long time, and it was so obvious.
00:19:10.760 Two major points here.
00:19:12.160 First, all of these tech bros are literally or figuratively in bed with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:19:20.040 So we need to recognize this is a symptom of a much larger problem of how the CCP is getting access to our tech,
00:19:32.640 to artificial intelligence, to what these guys know about the direction of the field,
00:19:41.400 about what their plans are, about what they're doing.
00:19:45.140 Second big reason, Steve, this is very important, is it shows us how it's operating today, right?
00:19:52.300 This woman with the company, with essentially the cutout based in Singapore,
00:19:59.360 or Megaspeed International, was attempting to build data centers, obviously, in the PRC as well
00:20:06.600 as in Southeast Asia. And the point was to get NVIDIA's highest quality chip, right, the Blackwell
00:20:14.400 chip, which is what she really wanted, which is what the PRC really wants, by saying that it's
00:20:20.100 going to go into Southeast Asia, when in reality, it's going to be going into the PRC. So it gives
00:20:27.780 us a snapshot, if you will. It shows us their modus operandi of how they're gaining access
00:20:34.580 to our chips. So if you want to cut off their access to our chips, you've got to cut them off
00:20:41.920 totally, including these front organizations, including these front corporations like Omega
00:20:49.960 Speed. So this is hugely significant. He's certainly an agent of influence. And as that
00:20:56.700 CNBC reporter was suggesting, this really stinks to high heaven. This guy, as he's intimating,
00:21:06.880 is a spy, is an intelligence agent for the CCP. If it walks like a duck, right? It quacks like a
00:21:18.640 duck. Industrial espionage is a major part of unrestricted warfare. And most companies are
00:21:30.780 too afraid. So this is a standard course of business. And it's not shocking that Jensen
00:21:37.860 Wong's a spy or an agent of influence. He promotes the CCP all the time. He's trying to sit there
00:21:43.300 and sell them all the most advanced chips. He's the biggest cheerleader in the world for this
00:21:47.900 behind the scenes, this is all he works on. This is his number one priority, is make sure the
00:21:51.960 Chinese Communist Party has access to the most advanced ships in the world. Is that correct,
00:21:56.360 Dr. Thayer? It is correct. And we've got to see him like Klaus Fuchs, the spy in the Manhattan
00:22:02.200 Project, or the Rosenbergs and the Rosenbergs spy ring, David Greenglass and others, who are
00:22:09.900 who captured the secrets of the of the Manhattan Project to give to the Soviet Union. That's 0.53
00:22:16.220 exactly what Jensen Wong and others are doing to give the CCP access, whether that's going to be
00:22:24.400 the chips or whether that's going to be other intelligence the CCP needs, so that they can
00:22:30.800 dominate artificial intelligence. And what are the consequences of them dominating artificial
00:22:37.080 intelligence? It's a triumph of communism. It's a triumph of tyranny, just as if the Soviets had
00:22:43.560 gotten to the atomic bomb first, the result would have been communist tyranny there. Those are the 0.80
00:22:51.480 stakes, Steve, that we've got to recognize here. So this is not some, you know, it's certainly
00:22:58.260 a corporate espionage. There's no doubt that it's that, but it's far more profound when we're
00:23:03.940 looking at what this guy is doing. Your book nailed it. The situation we're in right now,
00:23:09.880 where we had the Bolsheviks in charge 0.88
00:23:12.040 and the Chinese Communist Party in back of it.
00:23:14.520 Give me your assessment of where we are now
00:23:17.560 almost coming up on a week after Black Tuesday, sir.
00:23:23.960 Well, what we've had, of course,
00:23:25.980 is with what happened on Tuesday
00:23:29.360 with the Democrats taking the House and the Senate,
00:23:32.720 we're going to see that they're going to put
00:23:35.700 their plans into action.
00:23:38.880 They're Leninists.
00:23:39.580 they know how to use power instantaneously. They're going to be putting, within three minutes
00:23:44.580 of coming in in January, they're going to be putting their plans into action. And that means
00:23:51.280 doing everything they can do, not just to thwart President Trump, but again, the worse, the better,
00:23:57.820 right, to advance their Leninist agenda against the United States. We are in a revolutionary time
00:24:03.720 in the United States, and the Democrats are a revolutionary party, advancing that revolutionary
00:24:10.620 agenda to overthrow the United States, working hand-in-glove with the Chinese Communist Party
00:24:17.400 to bring that about. Most Americans don't see that, and it's important for—this audience does,
00:24:25.240 of course, and others do—but it's important for all Americans to understand that we're in a
00:24:30.900 revolutionary time. And the stakes are everything. And it falls to us, Steve, as the audience knows
00:24:39.240 quite well, it's on our shoulders to save the United States as a constitutional republic
00:24:46.060 so that it is not lost forever. Because they're after us, whether it's Soros
00:24:52.640 and his organizations, or Neville Roy Singham and his organizations, and Jody Evans, of course,
00:25:01.040 or Steve Jobs' widow, the Emerson Collective, all backed by the CCP, working very closely with them.
00:25:11.200 All of them are working against us. Highly organized, very efficient, supporting agitation,
00:25:20.440 supporting propaganda every day to weaken the United States as a constitutional republic
00:25:27.440 and to advance communism in the United States.
00:25:32.660 They know what they want to achieve.
00:25:34.980 They have a strategy.
00:25:36.680 They've got plans.
00:25:38.340 And we are acting like it is like we've got time.
00:25:43.160 We're acting as though we're sitting on our hands, watching the tumbleweeds blow by.
00:25:51.740 This is why they focus on Texas.
00:25:55.580 They're moving on Texas.
00:25:57.100 You're going to have three more sanctuary cities today.
00:25:59.560 Dr. Day, we've got to bounce.
00:26:01.020 Where do they get the book?
00:26:02.220 Where do they get your writings?
00:26:03.880 Now more than ever, you understand the revolutionary times we're in.
00:26:06.960 from AI, from the titans that run artificial intelligence
00:26:11.160 to the Texas border in the Rio Grande Valley
00:26:13.860 and everything in between.
00:26:15.300 Where do they get the book?
00:26:16.080 Where do they get your writings?
00:26:18.300 Steve, folks can get it at Amazon, of course,
00:26:20.980 or at Skyhorse or at Warum, of course, as well.
00:26:25.500 And you can find me at Brad Theron X
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00:26:29.520 Steve, thanks so much for writing the foreword.
00:26:31.360 You really framed the book expertly with the foreword.
00:26:36.960 setting the context for it and putting it in a larger context.
00:26:41.660 We've got it. This is it now. We're in a revolutionary time.
00:26:44.240 We've got to act like it. And frankly, we're not on our side.
00:26:49.600 Well, that's what we have. You want to keep us fired up and focused.
00:26:52.680 Dr. Bradley Thayer, thank you. Thank you, Steve.
00:26:56.160 We're going to take a short break. Captain Fennell is going to with us.
00:26:59.360 My first question to Captain Fennell when we come back, have we kept the main thing, the main thing?
00:27:05.200 I think Qatar is showing up today.
00:27:07.860 We're going to talk about Iran.
00:27:08.920 He's got an assessment, a net assessment of where we stand on the kinetic side.
00:27:13.220 Also, McCabe's at the White House.
00:27:16.780 I don't know.
00:27:17.520 They're flying back in today.
00:27:18.820 Day's flying day.
00:27:19.920 I think they're bragging about they're going to put forward impeachment articles on Pete Hex as Secretary of War.
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00:29:47.820 War Room.
00:29:48.840 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:29:51.820 let's go there was an incident at the white house let's go to neil mccabe neil there was
00:29:58.360 an incident a little while ago what happened then i want to ask you about these articles
00:30:02.600 of impeachment against pete and captain finnell's here for a briefing on where we stand militarily
00:30:08.520 as the qataris are showing up today to um talk about a diplomatic solution to this war maybe
00:30:15.160 diplomatic and economic what do you got for us neil uh yes sir about 90 minutes ago literally as
00:30:22.720 we were setting up to be on standby for war room secret service came by and said we had to move
00:30:28.960 a lot of times when they tell you you have to move it just means you know you have to be in
00:30:32.920 a certain place there's a car coming by or what obviously you have the qatari prime minister
00:30:37.540 coming in at noon i thought it might be related to that so i started to have a conversation with
00:30:42.620 the officer but he was not in the mood for conversation he was very direct everyone inside
00:30:49.020 now apparently and a small four-door sedan crashed into one of the barriers uh on just on the the
00:30:57.740 north side on 17th and uh when the driver came out of the car he's wrestled and argued with the
00:31:05.540 national guard and secret service and he's been apprehended we're in an all clear but you know
00:31:11.940 it's always weird because you never know when something's an accident or something's tied to
00:31:16.340 something bigger. We're in an all clear now, Steve. Hang on. I want to go to the Financial
00:31:21.380 Times of London. The lead story this morning was a pretty shocking headline, but shouldn't
00:31:27.620 surprise anybody. It says Democrats pledge to impeach Trump aides as infighting grips Republicans
00:31:36.640 probing the graft promise, donor kickbacks targeted, Hegseth and Musk incites, witch hunt
00:31:42.540 alleged. So this is all about these impeachments. And I guess Tom Massey and certain Republicans
00:31:48.360 are starting today, or are they actually, they're going to file, I guess, a draft impeachment
00:31:53.960 charges against the Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. Is that correct?
00:32:00.180 Right. So this is a strategy, right? You don't attack the king, you attack his ministers.
00:32:04.500 And so this is what Democrats were saying even before the election, that they're going to go after cabinet officers and people in the administration rather than take on President Trump directly.
00:32:16.920 And so Thomas Massey filed his articles of impeachment under Rule 9 of the House, and because it's a privileged motion, they had to have a vote within 48 hours, two legislative days, which is why Speaker of the House Mike Johnson literally canceled the next—when the vote—the day that the vote was supposed to take place by the House rules, he canceled the session and sent everybody home early, and that was it.
00:32:42.620 That's why everybody—that's why the House was gone.
00:32:45.460 And so the question is, if it's flying today, if they file this tonight or tomorrow morning, you're saying within 48 hours, they have to have a vote on it.
00:32:58.400 Correct. And so it's the same eight articles that Massey filed, you know, in September.
00:33:06.120 But there have been sort of there have been amendment, not amendments, but sort of clarifying some of the language.
00:33:11.320 so it'll be a new document if it's filed tonight because this is sort of a a bed check vote
00:33:17.280 everybody flies in yeah they just they'll do some kind of pro forma vote on our post office or
00:33:21.920 something just to see who's here and so but this is this would be legislative day one day two
00:33:27.860 wednesday you would have to have a vote okay hang on for one second you stay right there we'll come
00:33:33.180 back to you yeah so hang on okay so um because we're gonna get into all the tactics of and who's
00:33:38.820 going to be there and who got voted out etc etc although this is in this congress captain finnell
00:33:43.160 they're getting ready pizza of the naval war college speaking they're getting ready to impeach
00:33:49.040 him in with republican votes in and you saw the headline the democrats are coming and this is the
00:33:55.200 guys that show up january 3rd i mean they're coming they're coming hard they're going to start
00:33:59.360 with trump's aids um the qataris are showing up this afternoon to discuss a diplomatic uh solution
00:34:07.120 and potentially some sort of ability to monitor or inspect the nuclear facilities.
00:34:12.160 What is the current military situation as you see it in this war
00:34:16.640 that essentially blew up President Trump and his administration last Tuesday?
00:34:22.340 Well, right now, Steve, we have two carriers on station off of Iran,
00:34:28.720 the George W. Bush and the, just escape me, the George Washington and the Bush.
00:34:37.120 The Teddy Roosevelt just pulled into Singapore on the 6th of November, so she'll be completing a port call and most likely heading out to those waters.
00:34:46.020 There's about 17 destroyers in the area also enforcing the blockade.
00:34:51.560 And you saw from CENTCOM, I think you reported on Saturday, a new task force to look at how to seal off the land borders.
00:34:58.580 I'm pretty sure that that work has already been looked at. 0.71
00:35:02.320 I think the announcement was part of their strategy to pressurize Tehran or put some
00:35:08.000 influence on them. So right now, everything still is suggesting that military strikes are on the way,
00:35:14.820 but we don't know that, and we'll see what the president does. Concurrently, what's happening
00:35:19.760 in the Western Pacific should get people's attention. I have a graphic that I sent your
00:35:24.780 team, if you can bring that up. Right now, there's over 100 TLA Navy warships that are at sea right
00:35:30.960 now. This is the fifth time in the last year, since December of 24, that we've had this PLA
00:35:38.020 Navy's, what I call a surge. And this time you have, what's important to look at is the area
00:35:44.080 east of Taiwan into that central blue ocean area there called the Philippine Sea. You'll see in
00:35:50.900 the farthest circles is that's a carrier strike group, the Liaoning, their Chinese Navy's first
00:35:56.520 carrier. And then you'll see three other clumps of PLA Navy operations. Those are about 10 ships
00:36:03.100 or maybe more in each one of those clumps. And they represent task forces from each of the three
00:36:09.300 fleets of the Chinese Navy, the North Sea Fleet, the East Sea Fleet, and the South Sea Fleet. We've
00:36:14.740 never seen this before. And really what it's about is to show... Hold it, hold it, hold it,
00:36:20.580 slow down, slow down, slow down. Give me that again, the three fleets and they're working
00:36:25.080 together. Walk me through that. Right. So remember Xi, when he came to power, he reorganized the
00:36:30.240 Chinese military and he created theater commands like our joint commands. So there's a northern
00:36:35.060 theater command, there's an eastern theater command, and there's a southern theater command.
00:36:39.540 And inside of those three joint commands, there's a naval force, the North Sea Fleet from up near
00:36:45.820 Qingdao, there's the East Sea Fleet out of Shanghai, and there's a South Sea Fleet out of the area
00:36:50.260 around Yulin. They have now, each one of those three fleets, sent 10 ships out into the Philippine
00:36:55.580 Sea. And farther beyond that, to the east, more towards Guam, is a carrier strike group from the
00:37:01.920 PLA Navy. Now, this is unprecedented in Chinese history in terms of that many ships. And it's all
00:37:08.960 about their rehearsals, as Admiral Papro, the commander of Pacific Command, called it,
00:37:13.940 rehearsals for either blockading or taking Taiwan by invasion. Now, it's not that we haven't been
00:37:19.560 doing anything. We have been in October doing our annual exercise between the U.S. Navy and the
00:37:25.440 Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force called Exercise Keen Sword. That ran from the end of
00:37:31.680 23 October to 1 November. And right now we're currently in an Exercise Malabar, which is in
00:37:37.880 the quad exercise with U.S., India, Japan, and Australia off of Tokyo Bay, off of Kanto Plain,
00:37:45.920 exercising anti-submarine warfare and anti-surface warfare. So we're exercising,
00:37:52.820 we're operating, but the balance of power, as I keep saying, has been changing because the
00:37:58.140 Chinese Navy had grown their fleet to a size that's greater than any other Navy on the planet.
00:38:03.740 And it's not just numbers of hulls, it's tonnage, it's anti-ship cruise missiles,
00:38:08.400 and they're coming for us. And right now the Chinese have two aircraft carrier strike groups
00:38:13.080 at sea. The Liaoning in the Philippine Sea. Their Fujian, their third carrier that has this
00:38:19.340 electromagnetic aircraft launch system, it just celebrated its first year in commission,
00:38:24.740 was commissioned 5 November 2025. It's active in the South China Sea. And their third carrier,
00:38:31.320 or a third carrier, their second one, the Shandong, was in dry dock for the last nine months. She's
00:38:37.800 out of dry dock now. And the Chinese press is talking more and more in the last week about
00:38:42.980 the chinese navy's three aircraft carrier force and they have a fourth one that's under construction
00:38:49.800 and is expected to be rolled out in 2027 and it's going to be nuclear you got three of their
00:38:55.900 operational out there the one that we have on a port call in singapore why is that even contemplated
00:39:03.220 going to uh the the north arabian sea or the red sea the red sea is a nato issue why is that
00:39:10.660 carrier not turning around and heading to the South China Sea? Do we have any carrier battle
00:39:16.240 group right now in the South China Sea or around Taiwan, sir? The Teddy Roosevelt, as I said,
00:39:23.300 operated and exercised keen sword with Japan and the U.S. Navy up off of Japan and in the
00:39:29.180 Philippine Sea from October 23rd to 1st of November. Then she operated through and transited
00:39:35.300 through the South China Sea. So she's been operating in those waters that you're talking
00:39:39.560 about. So the only reason that she'd go west is if either to go out and conduct further on combat
00:39:46.720 operations against Iran or to relieve the George Washington on station in the Gulf and the GW
00:39:53.260 would come back and pull into port in Tokyo where she's home ported as our nation's only
00:39:58.820 four deployed aircraft carrier. So you say we have had, it doesn't, it looks like somebody's
00:40:04.720 going to be in rotation even if she goes they'll rotate somebody back to uh what yukuska uh or
00:40:10.820 yokohama one of those uh ports in other words we haven't stripped what we had yukuska we haven't
00:40:16.320 stripped we haven't stripped uh the pacific of its of its carrier battle group then well it's not as
00:40:23.840 it's not in the posture that we would normally like it's not the posture that i lived under
00:40:27.900 when i served out there in my tours in the in the in japan uh but it's what we're dealing with
00:40:33.220 because we're, you know, we've been boresighted on this Iranian issue for the last, since February
00:40:39.240 28th. But the real issue is, is that China is on the march and she's growing rapidly. She's
00:40:46.600 operating in expanded areas and she keeps pushing further and further east and she's rehearsing.
00:40:53.320 You know, when we do our workups of our carriers off the San Diego coast or off the Bay Capes,
00:40:58.620 Virginia Capes on the East Coast, our carrier strike groups train in an area no more than 200
00:41:05.340 nautical miles traditionally from our West Coasts. Right now, the Chinese Navy is operating at 1,200
00:41:12.240 nautical miles east of the Chinese homeland. So they're not just working up and doing routine,
00:41:19.240 basic training that some people still have in their mind about the Chinese. These are senior
00:41:25.560 advanced operation and advanced training to prevent the United States from getting in and
00:41:32.980 influencing either a Chinese blockade or a Chinese invasion. The Chinese call this counter-intervention
00:41:39.100 strategy. We call it A2AD, anti-access area denial. Either way you call it, they're designing 0.99
00:41:46.700 to keep us out of the arena so that they can accomplish their first goal, which is to take 1.00
00:41:51.840 Taiwan. Additionally, you don't build, now there's some reports saying their navy's at 400 warships
00:41:58.320 and submarines. You don't build a force like that and build all these new type 091, you know,
00:42:04.660 25,000 ton oilers for nothing to stay around Taiwan. They're planning and building a global 0.57
00:42:11.520 navy. And it fits Xi's global governance initiative and his global security initiative.
00:42:17.200 and they're expanding and we have to do something about it.
00:42:21.320 And so that's why I wore this thing today.
00:42:22.880 We got to build the U.S. Navy.
00:42:25.120 We don't have a secretary of the Navy that's been confirmed.
00:42:28.020 We haven't really turned the corner on this.
00:42:30.480 And now we got a new Congress coming in.
00:42:32.880 And the challenge to the new Congress who says they care about a national security is,
00:42:36.860 are they going to fund President Trump's golden fleet?
00:42:40.200 They're going to focus on that battleship, but they really need to be asked about,
00:42:43.800 what are you going to do about rebuilding the Golden Fleet or a big Navy? Because we are under
00:42:48.860 duress. And this isn't going to stop at Guam. This isn't going to stop in Hawaii, okay? And if you
00:42:56.440 look back over the last 20 years, since 2006, in 2006, the Chinese Navy had 222 warships. We had
00:43:04.400 281. We had 59 more than they did. Today, they have 70 more than us. So in 20 years, they flipped
00:43:12.380 the script by 130 warships what do you think it's going to be in 10 15 or 20 years it's not going to
00:43:19.760 be just them passively operating in the western pacific captain finnell hang on one second we're
00:43:27.420 taking a short commercial break uh mccabe's at the white house captain finnell's with us
00:43:35.420 we're taking a short commercial break a lot happening on a monday
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00:45:15.860 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:45:20.420 Captain Fennell, this big, it happened while we were live on Saturday, and Neil McCabe was nice enough to share it with us.
00:45:26.720 They had this announcement about looking at, you know, kind of the land, you know, as they got the fleet down to blockade it.
00:45:32.860 Now they're going to blockade around the land all around Caspian Sea.
00:45:35.580 And I was saying this is interesting, but it would take the 82nd Airborne, the 101st Airborne, a Navy fleet up in the Black Sea, Caspian Sea. 0.97
00:45:45.700 It looks bizarre because a lot of it's coming through Pakistan and we know they're the partners with the Chinese Communist Party. 0.83
00:45:53.520 And they keep talking big talk about they want to be our friend, but they're not our friend. 0.67
00:45:57.620 Couldn't President Trump just pick the phone up with Xi and say, hey, knock this off? 0.93
00:46:01.100 I don't want any reinforcement of the moolahs, sir? 0.93
00:46:05.800 Yes, he could call him. 0.78
00:46:07.500 He probably has asked him that.
00:46:08.820 But the fact of the matter is Xi's not going to follow anything that the president says.
00:46:12.860 The president's been asking him to stop the flow of fentanyl into the country to stop killing Americans.
00:46:17.740 They haven't done a damn thing.
00:46:18.940 So I think this task force, let's be honest, the CENTCOM targeting officers have been looking at these rail passes and road networks before this operation ever started.
00:46:31.920 They were looking at it 20 years ago, and they've got the data.
00:46:35.380 So the announcement is really about, again, pressurizing Tehran to say, hey, we're serious, and we could take moves here to cut your routes off. 0.52
00:46:43.760 I've already seen press in the last day here that says that Pakistan's closed one of the major avenues of approach.
00:46:51.160 We'll see about that. Like you just said, Pakistan's an ally of the PRC.
00:46:56.280 In fact, the PRC's just announced that their first foreign astronaut that will be in their space station is going to be a Pakistani astronaut.
00:47:04.060 So we got some issues there.
00:47:06.740 Yeah. No, it's perfect. I keep saying they're their ally.
00:47:10.340 They're not our ally and we've got to quit fooling ourselves about that.
00:47:13.760 Captain Fennell, you have any writings coming up on American Greatness or where can people go get your content?
00:47:19.340 Yeah, I had some stuff up in U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings about the 20th anniversary of the Songkityonk incident that I think is up right there.
00:47:27.000 I did a podcast with them here also this last week that should be coming up this week and working on some other things.
00:47:33.040 But other than that, that's it.
00:47:35.900 Okay, Captain Fennell.
00:47:37.200 Thank you, sir.
00:47:39.520 Appreciate you.
00:47:41.160 Always.
00:47:41.600 the geopolitics we got to keep in mind particularly as we try to unwind unwinding this is not easy
00:47:48.220 folks you just can't snap your fingers oh you know we shouldn't be there obviously there's issues and
00:47:53.800 obviously we got to unwind and get the hell out of there but it's how you do it uh neil mccabe
00:47:57.880 i just find it odd and maybe i'm missing it but you know the financial times of london lays out
00:48:04.780 exactly what the democrats are going to do this is going to be fort apache the big headline of
00:48:09.560 Of all the headlines they could have throughout the financial world today, Democrats pledge to impeach Trump's aides as infighting grips Republicans.
00:48:20.020 That would be the civil war on our side.
00:48:26.080 They're telling you out loud what they're going to do.
00:48:28.540 This is Jamie Raskin and the team that Natalie Winder has done such a good job looking at.
00:48:33.600 But they're starting off with the old Congress, and they're starting off with a bunch of Republicans, and they're trying to chop block Pete Hexner.
00:48:40.760 So whether you think Pete's done a great job or maybe you think Pete, the job he's done is suboptimal, it's really not the point.
00:48:47.580 The point is they're coming after a senior cabinet member, Department of War, to impeach, driven by Republicans today.
00:48:55.620 And do you see any response from either Pete?
00:49:00.700 I know they put out some talking points, but talking points is not a strategy.
00:49:04.240 Do you get a sense that the White House right now has any strategy to combat this?
00:49:11.120 Not really.
00:49:11.900 I think they're just waiting to see how it plays out in the House.
00:49:15.060 And then, you know, if it does move forward, then you have a trial in the Senate and then you can start doing some things.
00:49:22.040 Well, you don't have to go.
00:49:23.440 By the way, Johnson, hang on, Johnson, hang on.
00:49:26.740 But Johnson, there's all types of things Johnson can do.
00:49:29.100 So he can just get that and say, we don't have to have hearings.
00:49:31.860 He can just walk it over to the Senate, correct?
00:49:37.180 He could also try to table it because there's a.
00:49:40.380 Yes, go ahead.
00:49:42.160 If what I want to make the point is that going into a midterm, members of Congress have different options.
00:49:49.000 But after the vote is over, especially for those who are leaving Congress, now they are planning their landing into private life.
00:49:57.760 It's a much different dynamic.
00:49:59.600 And so you can be against the administration before the midterm, but after the midterm,
00:50:04.740 you might want to be friends with the administration because you're going to be a private citizen in January.
00:50:12.960 Neil, what is your social media?
00:50:14.760 How do people follow you this afternoon?
00:50:16.160 There's a lot going on.
00:50:17.200 Do we have a time when the emir of Qatar is going to show up for these peace talks?
00:50:22.460 in moments in moments i'm hearing sirens now that might be him you can find me on all the
00:50:30.040 socials at reporter mccabe and my groundbreaking columns are at the south shore press sir
00:50:36.860 thank you sir okay we're going to toss to charlie kirk and i'm sure either they'll be following this
00:50:43.660 or we'll have the uh in the box and you can go see it on the streaming side we're going to be
00:50:48.740 back at five o'clock uh we've got a lot more to do in the drill down into mass deportations
00:50:54.200 amnesty the war what happened this afternoon all of it so please be back here charlie kirk
00:50:59.160 andrew covett and the team take it right now but uh just uh make sure you're back here at five
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