Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 1000： Redistricting Battles Continue Across Republican States

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:14.060 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:19.300 Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:23.600 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:25.500 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:26.920 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:29.540 it's going to happen and where do people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish

00:00:36.420 in my soul i wish that any of these people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what

00:00:43.460 is my purpose if that answer is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your

00:00:52.580 Your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:00:57.320 Thursday, 30 April, Year of Our Lord, 2026.

00:01:00.540 We're going to get back to Caroline Rand.

00:01:01.920 We've got a cold open for her, and then we go through state by state

00:01:05.800 about where we stand with these redistrictings.

00:01:09.000 Very interesting tweets coming out right now about the fight that is ongoing.

00:01:13.140 We want to go to Ohio.

00:01:15.840 Their primaries next week, Marcel Sturbridge,

00:01:18.680 joins us around for Secretary of State.

00:01:20.920 How's the intensity?

00:01:21.760 Are we building here to have a big turnout next week, sir?

00:01:26.160 Oh, definitely.

00:01:27.200 Right now, obviously, we're following what's taken on nationally.

00:01:30.280 You see this big decision, 6-3, and all of these states are going to need to be fortified with secretaries of states that are clear in their vision, their task, and purpose.

00:01:38.740 For this candidacy, we're winning on the message, and that is same-day in-person voting, only excuse-valid excuse mail-in ballots and pre-printed hand-markable ballots.

00:01:47.540 We're also going to reexamine under my administration what the role of third party voter registration groups and others that ballot harvest in Ohio, because that's still an issue, as you know, Steve, in our state.

00:01:57.700 So, yeah, this is going to be a really close race.

00:02:01.800 And I'm asking for all of Ohio MAGA to come out because this is the one chance that we can execute President Trump's agenda in a bellwether state.

00:02:09.760 Marcel, have we have we gotten all the seats possible in redistricting in Ohio?

00:02:15.680 I know we've been fighting up there. Are you comfortable? We've squeezed all the

00:02:21.340 juice out of the lemon. Well, they made their choice right before Indiana. They did score

00:02:28.020 marginal increases in two districts, one in District 9 with Marcy Captor. And then Eric

00:02:33.140 Conroy, who's like me, an Air Force Intel officer and also former case officer down in Cincinnati,

00:02:39.360 has a more favorable district. So there's a possibility of a plus two game on that front

00:02:44.420 for the Republicans in the state.

00:02:46.060 But there was a lot of conversations in Ohio

00:02:48.080 about the prospect of getting even more than that.

00:02:51.120 But it seems like they strong-armed the Democrats,

00:02:53.400 and that's fueling the Democrat race in this primary.

00:02:55.960 There's a political outsider running against

00:02:57.760 a corporate special interest PAC secretary of state

00:03:00.140 over the issue of gerrymandering.

00:03:01.900 But it seems like Ohio, in that case,

00:03:04.180 has gotten over the top.

00:03:06.520 What is it that we have essentially

00:03:08.600 a minor civil war going on in Ohio

00:03:11.200 between the MAGA supporters of President Trump

00:03:13.920 in the very dug-in establishment in Ohio.

00:03:17.560 How do you see that playing out next week?

00:03:19.800 Well, I'm leading the charge in that regard.

00:03:21.380 I stepped out of the Air Force.

00:03:22.660 I worked election integrity legislation

00:03:24.520 for the last three years.

00:03:25.400 I wasn't satisfied in terms of what they were doing.

00:03:27.520 I think they marginally tiptoe in Ohio

00:03:29.240 when it comes to this topic.

00:03:31.000 And so we came out of nowhere.

00:03:32.920 We raised 5,000 small donors, 800,000.

00:03:37.940 We got key support from PACS recently

00:03:40.380 that did Mailer's affiliate with Club for Growth.

00:03:44.460 We've got real momentum in this race

00:03:46.180 and former candidates are supporting us.

00:03:49.580 Again, this is going to come down to margin.

00:03:52.800 There's only 10% of estimated vote expected.

00:03:56.400 So this is gonna be one of the things

00:03:57.900 that is gonna determine whether President Trump's agenda

00:04:01.420 that he started in 2016 in Ohio that propelled him

00:04:04.900 is gonna live through his candidacy.

00:04:07.020 I would be the Secretary of State for four years until 2030.

00:04:10.380 sir where do people go in the run-up running through the tape this weekend where do folks go

00:04:15.940 social media and your website thanks again steve they can go to sturbish for ohio.com

00:04:21.080 and right there they can donate and they can also tell family and friends again this is a now or

00:04:27.700 never moment for ohio all hands on deck you have a true patron a driven mission focused military

00:04:33.280 officer that can take on the insecurities of elections and we can deliver some results which

00:04:39.080 will be sustained for years to come thank you again for having me steve it's an honor thank

00:04:43.820 thank you brother go back to your dinner you're giving a big speech tonight look forward to

00:04:48.020 following this over the weekend thank you sir let's we get a cold open for the caroline rand

00:04:54.160 let's go and play it louisiana is now postponing its primaries in order to redraw the maps down

00:05:01.140 there cornell what's going to happen well first of all great reporting this sort of the way he

00:05:07.880 puts that all together, and that

00:05:09.980 dysfunction is amazing, so kudos

00:05:12.080 to you.

00:05:14.380 You know,

00:05:15.840 it's interesting, Katie, because in the

00:05:18.000 aftermath of the devastating

00:05:20.040 gutting of the

00:05:21.940 Civil Rights Act that the

00:05:24.120 Supreme Court panned it down,

00:05:26.640 Louisiana went about doing

00:05:28.320 exactly what 0.96

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00:05:30.940 Civil Rights Act was put 0.91

00:05:33.960 in place to stop them from doing, right? 0.68

00:05:36.100 So it's really interesting

00:05:37.420 that the Supreme Court says, you know, these things aren't needed anymore

00:05:41.380 and they're out of time. And the moment they do that,

00:05:45.960 Louisiana, one of the states that was key

00:05:49.240 in the rationale for having a Voting Rights Act,

00:05:55.700 in fact, goes about doing exactly what the Voting Rights Act

00:05:59.700 was trying to stop them from doing, and that is

00:06:02.800 marginalizing the voices of people of color and really stripping away their their voice and their

00:06:11.160 and their and their political power so that's what louisiana is all about right now and and the thing 0.69

00:06:17.480 is katie at some point you know the court aside the voters of this country like the mainstream

00:06:24.220 american voters of this country have to go what's in that for me right am i going to get lower

00:06:30.880 health care? Am I going to get more affordable, you know, prescription drugs because you're now

00:06:36.700 gerrymandering safe seats for your incumbents? Because it hasn't led to any of that. At some

00:06:42.600 point, Main Street white Americans need skin in this in this white supremacy game that they're

00:06:47.860 playing with this gerrymandering. And they have to say also, this isn't working for me, making

00:06:53.600 these incumbents safer and less accountable hasn't lowered my prices, hasn't given me

00:07:02.040 better health insurance, hasn't given me cheaper pharmaceuticals. None of it seems to be working

00:07:07.520 for the working people. Is this going to change the balance of power in Congress? Or if red states

00:07:14.220 start redistricting, as they're probably going to do, are blue states able to use this as well?

00:07:20.580 yes to all the above it's going to change the balance of power whether it does for this 0.99

00:07:26.080 election cycle we don't know uh the case centered around katie a seat in louisiana 1.00

00:07:32.240 that ran from uh new orleans northwest to baton rouge that's held by a democrat um and it was

00:07:39.960 part of a last redraw of the louisiana map um that the the louisiana governor jeff landry is

00:07:48.080 going to has already pushed off and is indicating he is going to draw a new map the question is can

00:07:53.820 people can states do this in time for the 2026 election and the answer to that is who knows

00:07:59.040 but then you get into a question well will california draw a 54 zero map will illinois draw

00:08:04.460 17 zero map will maryland finally get the guts to wipe out their one republican and that those

00:08:11.100 are questions that need to be answered and will be answered in the coming years that's number one

00:08:15.440 i'm going to say a little bit okay go ahead go ahead no i'm going to just say one more thing

00:08:20.040 here get what they did to section two the voting rights act from a practical basis

00:08:25.020 is not a complete win for them for republicans because what democrats can now do is take majority

00:08:31.860 minority districts uh which have trend which have tended ended excuse me to be democratic districts

00:08:37.940 and they could spread those democratic voters among republican districts in blue states and

00:08:44.420 lower the republicanness and the republican voting tendencies of red districts so you know

00:08:51.720 we're gonna have to see how it works out it's not clear to me and there's gonna be a flurry

00:08:55.920 katie of lawsuits okay fine let's do that uh welcome and caroline wren let's start you just

00:09:04.200 first off what's your answer to nicole wallace and her team over at msnbc ma'am

00:09:09.760 well what marginalizes black people is putting them into districts that have no chance of

00:09:16.080 republican representation because then they never hear anything from the republican party about how

00:09:20.680 our policies can help improve their lives because there aren't republican candidates

00:09:24.540 on the ballot in their districts and this comes down to the left is terrified to compete with us

00:09:30.000 for black voters because they've taken advantage of them for decades president trump made inroads

00:09:35.820 with African-American community, and now we can finally build on this momentum that President

00:09:40.080 Trump built. Let's start at the top, Louisiana. In fact, let's get your chart up there. Just walk

00:09:48.420 us through the ones that should be in play. We've done Florida, we've done Texas, but we got, I think,

00:09:55.260 another 13 out there, and people have got to get on with it, right? Because we need these. It's fair.

00:10:00.840 These are unconstitutional. It has to be done. Plus, practically, this is the way that we secure a victory in November, which is all important.

00:10:10.420 Let's start in Louisiana. Why is Louisiana not 6-0 this afternoon, ma'am?

00:10:16.380 We don't know yet. And I give credit for sure with Landry. Immediately suspended the primary, said this is serious, and he's got a plan to push us through, but we don't know what that map is going to be.

00:10:26.440 I've heard rumblings that it could end up being a 5-1 map, which I think is not the right way to go.

00:10:32.060 We should go for the 6-0 map.

00:10:34.060 They can get this through.

00:10:35.360 And so I'm hoping that is what Governor Landry does.

00:10:37.840 But we have not yet seen the map that he plans to present in the special session.

00:10:41.480 And so that one, we're not sure yet.

00:10:44.060 Alabama just had some interesting breaking news.

00:10:46.640 But hang on, just so people understand, he has suspended the Congress.

00:10:50.560 They're going to have a primary in, what, a week or so.

00:10:53.460 They get a hotly contested Senate race down there.

00:10:56.440 The Senate, the statewide primary is going to take place, and he's suspending the congressional primaries?

00:11:03.900 Yeah, and why it's important is theirs is the next upcoming, but you have several others coming up.

00:11:08.460 And so the governor should not use the excuse of, oh, it's too close to our primary.

00:11:12.560 Governor Landry blew that up by saying, hey, he declared a state of emergency in the state, which is the right thing to do,

00:11:20.340 and said we have to suspend these primaries and postpone them until we redraw our maps and bring

00:11:25.120 them into compliance with the Supreme Court's new ruling. Okay, so and you are advocating the

00:11:32.420 difference here, and we don't know when we're going to see this map, but you're saying 6-0

00:11:35.520 versus 5-1. What about Mississippi? So Mississippi I didn't have on the chart earlier because their

00:11:42.860 primaries already passed, but let me tell you, the governor, Kate Reeves there, has been extremely

00:11:46.960 aggressive we talked earlier about do states have a plan or not oh my god he was in court and the

00:11:51.900 state house and senate president have already filed motions they've already set a date to go

00:11:56.320 in for a special session so i don't i don't know what that means for um you know a primary has

00:12:03.100 already passed however they'd be creating essentially uh but a new district i think it

00:12:07.580 could go from 3-1 to 4-0 is what is very likely and so um they are certainly moving so i'm putting

00:12:12.920 that up on the board now and and if the court's there or they do a you know a special session

00:12:18.600 that declares this unconstitutional and that they redraw the maps and they might have to just go back

00:12:22.640 and redo those congressional primaries which i would be you know very glad to see well if it's

00:12:27.800 if it's unconstitutional how can it sit it seems to me going back and redoing it it's not the end

00:12:33.060 of the world to have another primary is it no and especially if maybe some of these districts don't

00:12:38.120 change at all on their lines and you don't need to have a new primary it just it depends on how

00:12:42.260 they draw it um and so so we'll see what happens there but certainly i i give uh tate reeves

00:12:47.360 credit and even if you are past the date that you could deal with this in 2026 so what you should

00:12:53.440 still be in court right now even and getting this done immediately and so i i appreciate the urgency

00:12:58.320 that he has i'm going to be watching that closely he's showing he's showing rural leadership now

00:13:03.160 alabama is strange you got tommy tuberville coming out who's running for governor leaving

00:13:08.660 the Senate running for governor. He's all thrown down hard. The attorney general was the first guy

00:13:13.480 out of the box. Yet the governor saying, I don't know, it's like 2030. What is going on in the

00:13:19.420 great state of Alabama, ma'am? Well, I, you know, I went to school in Alabama and Governor Kay Ivey

00:13:26.420 is 89 years old. She is not fully with it, let's just say. And so she's really controlled by a lot

00:13:33.100 of handlers. And so I don't know what they're doing, but I will say that you had the secretary

00:13:38.060 or you've had the lieutenant governor come out, Tommy Cumberbill, the Speaker of the House,

00:13:41.700 the Senate president, they've all come out and said, yes, we should do this.

00:13:45.140 One person who hadn't was the Secretary of State, Wes Allen, which I thought was strange.

00:13:49.220 Well, he just fired a bombshell motion with the Supreme Court asking for an expedited

00:13:54.540 consideration. You know, they've been in an active lawsuit over their maps for since 2021,

00:13:59.900 I believe. And the Supreme Court said they had to freeze their congressional maps until after

00:14:04.440 the 2030 census. And so the Secretary of State just filed a motion and said, we want to expedite

00:14:10.520 ruling on this so that we could redraw our maps. And so, boom, here we go. Like, Wes Allen understood

00:14:15.460 the assignment. Credit to him. And let's see what the court says on the Alabama maps.

00:14:21.180 Listen, I just want to spend a minute on Florida. You went to Tallahassee, and I think you see,

00:14:25.460 DeSantis showed real leadership here, right? He said, could get done in the special,

00:14:30.480 I think the House speaker blocked him.

00:14:35.320 He said, hey, look, I'm calling you back.

00:14:36.920 We're staying here until we get it done.

00:14:38.740 It took him 24, 48 hours to do it in Florida, man.

00:14:43.620 It sure did, and he has done a great job with this.

00:14:47.640 I'm very, very proud of Governor DeSantis, and a 24-4 map is good.

00:14:51.800 I thought actually we could have gone up to a 25-3 map, but there's really weird specific laws,

00:14:58.060 And Governor Sanders was basing this off of population changes.

00:15:00.860 But I do think sometime in the future, in the next couple of years, that actually that could even draw out more because you just had a flood of people moving to Florida because because they're a red state.

00:15:11.360 So that's been good. The other states that have already redistrict are North Carolina, Ohio and Missouri.

00:15:17.180 But I think actually North Carolina, Ohio and Missouri, they all three could go back and redraw further.

00:15:22.580 Missouri definitely they've you know, they already redrew to what would likely be a 7-1 map.

00:15:27.140 Well, that last congressional district is a majority-minority, you know, VRA-created district.

00:15:32.620 They should go get rid of that immediately. 0.95

00:15:34.300 And we've seen no statement from Mike Kehoe, the governor, there yet, but we're watching it.

00:15:38.340 Ohio, you talked about it earlier, and I think they could potentially, there's a district in Cleveland that I think could definitely be challenged, and you could pick up one more there.

00:15:46.880 And in North Carolina, I think that, you know, we don't, it's not as far as, but they were able to redistrict last year, and they went from a 10-4 to a likely 11-3 map.

00:15:55.520 Whether or not they'll go to a 12-2 under this would be interesting to see,

00:15:58.520 but that would have to go through court challenges.

00:16:01.580 I want to go because Ohio and Missouri are very contentious when we were talking about them,

00:16:07.340 and they kind of basically leaned on their rake in Ohio.

00:16:10.400 Those are two we definitely could pick up, and the folks there should be on fire.

00:16:13.500 How do we actually pull this off in North Carolina where you've got a Democrat governor?

00:16:18.600 That's going to be a little tougher, isn't it?

00:16:21.040 It was, but they were able to get it done last year,

00:16:24.080 And so it had to do more with the legislature and court challenges that they had.

00:16:27.340 And so I think that you really could, you could challenge, like those are districts that were created just because of the Voting Rights Act.

00:16:34.600 And so I think the best way to do that is immediately be in court with lawsuits on it.

00:16:39.000 Now, it is harder to get, let's say, a special session call, though.

00:16:41.940 That is a problem.

00:16:42.820 A governor gets to set a special session.

00:16:44.500 That's why I don't have, you know, tons of faith in a state like North Carolina being able to go back to this.

00:16:49.940 However, if the courts move quickly on this and declare that that map is unconstitutional, I think the governor would have no choice but to call a special session to address an unconstitutional map.

00:17:01.400 Now, let's talk about Georgia.

00:17:03.560 Georgia's had so many problems with the Fulton counties of the world, et cetera.

00:17:07.380 What are Kemp—I mean, the establishment down there doesn't want any—they don't want anybody rocking the boat.

00:17:13.480 Is Georgia making any moves on this right now?

00:17:15.500 Brian Kemp said through a statement of an unnamed person in his office that they are quote analyzing

00:17:24.080 it which to me is just like ridiculous you need to come out and say much more about what that means

00:17:29.840 Georgia has started actively voting but again look at what Governor Landry did he declared a

00:17:34.920 state of emergency and Governor Kemp you can declare a state of emergency suspend the vote

00:17:39.360 and you can continue voting on statewide races that is fine but you can pause the voting on

00:17:44.560 the congressional races and say, look, the courts, you know, we have to, we expect a challenge to

00:17:49.940 this. It would be irresponsible to move forward with what could be, you know, districts that have

00:17:55.840 been drawn that could be challenged in court. So we'll suspend that and we will have a special

00:18:00.660 session, new redistricting and delay the primaries for congressional districts to a later date.

00:18:05.380 And so that's what I would like to see out of Governor Kemp. And we did not hear anything as

00:18:09.620 today how could they say analyzing when i mean this has been fought for decades and we knew this

00:18:17.760 and we knew this was coming the arguments on the louisiana thing everybody felt this was going our

00:18:23.760 way now i don't think a lot of people felt it would be 6-3 but that is how can they sit there

00:18:28.900 and say they're analyzing they should have teams ready to go on this immediately ma'am

00:18:33.080 yeah we've seen this for a while with inaction with these guys and so it is very frustrating

00:18:39.520 for me to see. The only thing I would have said, it's been now 24 hours. So with a state like

00:18:43.840 Alabama, the analyzing meant that your secretary of state or AG was drafting a massive lawsuit or

00:18:51.560 putting forth a legal challenge. I would understand that. But in Georgia, it's just been

00:18:55.680 silence. And you've had every candidate running for dog catcher up to governor, Senate. You've

00:18:59.720 got all types of races in Georgia. They're all calling for an immediate special session.

00:19:04.100 But Brian Kemp has not said one way or the other what he plans to do other than a spokesperson

00:19:08.540 person saying he's analyzing it so and then the next big one is south carolina yeah mcmaster's is

00:19:14.720 one of president trump's most stalwart supporters what is happening in south carolina i'm hoping to

00:19:22.020 see some movement there mcmaster is one of my personal favorite governors out there and so he

00:19:26.580 was actually the first statewide elected official to endorse donald trump um and because that

00:19:31.940 remember we got governor mcmaster because trump put nicky haley in the cabinet just so he could

00:19:37.360 make Henry McMaster governor of South Carolina because Henry McMaster was the lieutenant governor

00:19:41.780 at that time since he was the first person out the gate to endorse Trump. Trump said, what do you

00:19:45.800 want? He'd always want to be governor. Well, you know what? Governor McMaster, now is the time. This

00:19:51.040 is a huge moment in your governorship, and we need you to do the right thing. I would hope and pray

00:19:57.820 that Governor McMaster and President Trump have been on the phone today. We know that President

00:20:01.500 Trump spoke to Governor Bill Lee of Tennessee, and just knowing how close Governor McMaster and

00:20:06.880 President Trump are. I would hope that they have spoken and that we see some movement out of South

00:20:10.980 Carolina very soon, because that is an easy pickup there with Jim Clyburn's seat. And there's no

00:20:15.540 reason why South Carolina can't immediately move from a 6-1 to a 7-0 state. Is Bill Lee, have they

00:20:22.280 confirmed that Bill Lee's taking action on this? I know the president had to call him, but my

00:20:25.700 understanding was some action was going to be taken. No, we don't know what that is yet. All

00:20:31.000 they said, President Trump put out a true social saying it was a great conversation. He expects

00:20:35.660 action and so we don't know what that means but so either it was not that great of a conversation

00:20:41.740 and so president trump was forcing his hand by doing that which is genius and i think would work

00:20:46.100 or it really was a very good conversation and we're going to see something from them shortly

00:20:49.740 uh so i but i have pretty high hopes for tennessee that we're going to see movement marcia blackburn

00:20:54.720 to her credit has been all over this uh and so she is going to be the next governor very soon

00:21:00.200 but she's not going to wait to do this until then she is um she is really i've heard she's

00:21:04.660 been working the phones she's been putting a lot of statements out online doing a lot of press

00:21:08.680 interviews about this and i think it's important because it shows leadership and other states

00:21:12.720 should follow leadership uh caroline you've been on fire on this uh you're gonna be putting stuff

00:21:19.160 up all night where do people go to follow you man sure it's at caroline wren on x true social and

00:21:26.200 getter now people have asked me in the war and posse you deployed to tallahassee make sure that

00:21:32.080 got done are you prepared to deploy to these other state capitals to to kind of put the whip hand on

00:21:38.040 them and make sure that we get these done a hundred percent i was talking to someone about

00:21:42.520 that earlier in one of these states and i said look do i need to get on a plane i'll come there

00:21:46.240 tomorrow right now i've just been burning up the phones uh calling everyone but of course i will

00:21:51.120 fly to any state okay send me i you know it'd be great if we could redistrict in hawaii um but i

00:21:56.360 don't have that on my chart currently but if so i'd be the first one on my way to honolulu

00:22:00.240 hallelujah ma'am thank you so much fire follow caroline wren tonight we'll have you back on

00:22:06.960 tomorrow for an update thank you thank you ma'am pedro gonzalez daily signal had a fantastic story

00:22:15.860 that day i want to take a couple of minutes and uh and by the way so what we're going to do in

00:22:19.580 the in this second part of the show we were going to show all of pete's uh the hot parts i think

00:22:25.600 because we got pedro and i want to get john garner up we're going to more truncated but

00:22:29.540 You're going to get a lot of Pete Hegseth in the next segment.

00:22:33.960 Pedro, you did a very thoughtful piece.

00:22:36.360 I want you to take a few minutes and walk people through about,

00:22:39.220 I think people are lost sometimes because it happened a few years ago

00:22:42.820 and some of the terms get confusing of what Tulsi Gabbard has been doing

00:22:47.040 about this grand conspiracy against President Trump.

00:22:51.740 Can you walk us through your reporting?

00:22:53.300 I want to make sure that Grace and Mo Elizabeth push this out to the chat right now,

00:22:57.440 this great article on Daily Signal.

00:22:59.540 Absolutely.

00:23:00.540 I would love to.

00:23:03.420 So basically, Tulsi Gabbard uncovered the congressional plot to overthrow Trump, and she was able

00:23:10.280 to prove through countless investigations that Congress literally fabricated, the congressional

00:23:17.800 Democrats literally fabricated this Russia hoax that we heard about from legacy media

00:23:23.660 for years and years and years, and ultimately even got Trump impeached by House Democrats

00:23:29.560 several times.

00:23:31.480 You know, the Democrats here, they didn't only fabricate a lie that they pushed.

00:23:36.020 They didn't only manipulate the media to go after Trump and on this, you know, Russia

00:23:40.920 collusion lie.

00:23:41.760 But they also left out key details from the informants that they interviewed, that they,

00:23:48.060 you know, received testimony from.

00:23:49.800 They completely phased them out all, you know, to be able to craft their own narrative about how Trump was colluding with Russia in our, you know, in our election system.

00:24:02.740 And, you know, ultimately it was just kind of like the Democrat playbook to regain power from our president.

00:24:09.920 So in your article, you're saying that there was more evidence there.

00:24:15.700 It was just never presented in a correct way to see how deep this conspiracy ran.

00:24:22.140 That's what I believe. I happen to be there at the time.

00:24:24.980 But is that what your own independent research has shown, particularly what Tulsi Gabbard's putting forward now?

00:24:31.080 That is, yeah.

00:24:32.300 That is what I found and what Tulsi Gabbard and her department have been able to find

00:24:38.960 since assuming office at the beginning of last year, is that throughout the testimonies

00:24:45.140 that were given, the congressional Democrats pick and chose the parts of the testimony

00:24:50.760 that matched their narrative.

00:24:52.460 So, for example, if an informant came up to them and told them, you know, President Trump

00:24:57.540 didn't really do this, then what the Democrats would do is that they would phase that part out

00:25:03.020 and only include the part where they said, well, maybe President Trump did this. So it was a

00:25:08.920 completely fabricated from the beginning to the end. And it's something that unfortunately,

00:25:13.480 they're still running on. Pedro, hang on for one second. John Gardner is also going to join us in

00:25:20.260 the second part. Here's the question you can answer when you get back. Is it in your article,

00:25:26.200 This is why it's a good starter. Now that Tulsi's been able to put more information out, is it easier to understand the narrative, given that we don't have to just go through the filter of the Democratic Party?

00:25:38.200 Why don't you hang on? Folks, this is important. I think Pedro's piece is very important because as John Solomon is telling us, more is coming out.

00:25:47.360 And you can see from Todd Blanche and the team at Maine Justice, accountability to the deep state is very high priority for Blanche and kind of the new leadership over there.

00:26:02.060 Pam did get a lot of things started.

00:26:04.660 They're going to bring them to conclusion.

00:26:06.740 I think this is why you saw Comey arrange yesterday.

00:26:09.580 So a lot going on over at Maine Justice.

00:26:12.180 And that's why Pedro's analysis, his story, is, I think, fundamental for people to read and understand this.

00:26:19.080 We're going to take a short commercial break.

00:26:20.760 We're also going to get John Gardner's very good news on our exports, capital equipment.

00:26:28.080 That means people making things, as John Gardner said President Trump was going to do.

00:26:32.260 We're going to get to that.

00:26:33.240 Also, you're going to see an amazing highlight reel of Pete Hegseth.

00:26:37.020 And this is what was so disturbing is that the Senate Republicans really didn't, particularly

00:26:44.200 the leadership, did not provide air cover for Pete. 0.92

00:26:48.620 They let him get blasted for hour after hour by some of the most ridiculous things you've 0.97

00:26:53.240 ever heard. 0.69

00:26:54.320 And I think Pete and General Cain did a very good job of presenting the case of the administration

00:26:58.520 for the $1.5 trillion defense budget, which I'm not totally crazy about, and the war in

00:27:03.960 Iran, but they had their day.

00:27:05.800 Short break. 0.95

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00:34:21.680 ability your article you got places you can click through is their ability to the war and posse and

00:34:27.680 just citizens out there to actually understand the reality of what happened here and not have to play

00:34:32.940 by the New York Times, Washington Post, MSMEC playbook, sir?

00:34:39.100 Absolutely.

00:34:39.880 Well, my article lays it down pretty clear,

00:34:42.460 and it just tells you the most important facts.

00:34:44.800 But you can also visit the DNI website and find the same exact thing.

00:34:48.720 And that's that basically there was three examples

00:34:52.260 that disproved the entire Russia lie that was pushed on us

00:34:56.300 by the Democrats and the legacy media in the last couple of years.

00:34:59.500 The first one is that the person who testified in front of the Congressional Committee, specifically testified in front of Schiff and Nancy Pelosi, well, that person had no firsthand knowledge about the call that allegedly occurred between Trump and Zelensky.

00:35:19.260 But even though she had no firsthand knowledge, she still went to corroborate the story in front of the Congressional Committee.

00:35:25.600 So, you know, the witness is not credible, right?

00:35:31.720 The second example is that those documents that were held by that congressional committee,

00:35:37.680 specifically by the House Intelligence Committee under Nancy Pelosi, those documents, the full

00:35:44.880 transcripts of all of the closed-door testimonies and whatnot, were kept under lock and key,

00:35:51.340 And they were only exposed to the public, and in this case, Gabbard herself, after the chairman of the committee, the Republican chairman, you know, forced a vote to release those files that were under lock and key since 2017.

00:36:07.480 So for 10 years, pretty much, we don't really know the full story about this so-called Russia collusion hoax, right, or this so-called Russia collusion.

00:36:16.440 But, you know, that lie is still perpetrated by the media.

00:36:19.520 And then the third one, and probably one of the most important ones, is, you know, this entire thing was clearly fabricated because the documents show where the Democrats decided to pick and choose what to actually run with.

00:36:35.780 And it's, you know, the American people deserve an apology because we've been lied to for the last 10 years by the legacy media and the Democrats.

00:36:45.540 And certainly President Trump definitely deserves an apology because he was impeached twice over this.

00:36:50.840 Well, I tell you, this is what is so important.

00:36:53.760 I think people start and moan Grace and Elizabeth will put it out there.

00:36:57.340 We start with your article, then we click through.

00:36:59.820 You'll see the scale of this lie.

00:37:02.380 You also this is why I think Todd is doing the right thing.

00:37:06.640 We have to hold these people accountable.

00:37:09.120 And we had George Papadopoulos on the other day.

00:37:12.340 He walked you through it.

00:37:13.580 We've got to get down into this.

00:37:15.320 John Solomon's doing a great job.

00:37:16.600 They're going to be other announcements.

00:37:17.860 John's telling me coming out in the next couple of days or weeks.

00:37:21.040 But this is a high priority.

00:37:23.100 And from the political side, if you want to get people fired up into the polls in November, you've got to start holding the deep state accountable.

00:37:29.180 particularly this was a tee up to the stolen election of 2020. So it's a fantastic article

00:37:36.220 you laid it out. You did the research. Pedro, how do people get to your writing over Daily Signal

00:37:40.840 and what's your social media so people can follow you on Twitter? Absolutely. It's thedailysignal.org.

00:37:47.200 Our social media is at the Daily Signal. And my personal is Pedro B. Rodriguez 7 without the Z.

00:37:54.440 So Pedro B. Rodriguez 7. There we go. And Steve, you know, independent journalists like myself, we're not stopping until we start seeing people in handcuffs.

00:38:03.880 This is only the beginning of journalists being able to go out after the deep state. And we're not stopping anytime soon.

00:38:12.100 Brother, thank you so much. Appreciate you. Love the fighting spirit.

00:38:16.720 Thank you, Steve. Honored to be here.

00:38:17.800 Pedro Gonzalez over at The Daily Signal.

00:38:20.980 Incredible piece.

00:38:21.740 Let's make sure you read it, folks.

00:38:23.460 Study it.

00:38:25.120 Get to Pedro on social media.

00:38:27.940 Okay, I got a cold open for one of my favorite guests, John Gardner.

00:38:32.100 Let's play it.

00:38:33.080 Exciting.

00:38:33.720 I think employment cost index, first quarter number, up nine-tenths, close to expectations.

00:38:40.020 Up nine-tenths would equal the second quarter of 25 to find a higher cost index.

00:38:45.160 Here in the first quarter of 24.

00:38:47.800 Initial jobless claims hitting the wires at one hundred and eighty nine thousand hundred and eighty nine thousand.

00:38:57.340 Wow. That is truly incredible. We're looking at levels truly that we probably haven't seen since the late 60s.

00:39:04.260 This is very, very incredible. And continuing claims, one million seven hundred eighty five thousand.

00:39:10.820 That would be the least going back to August of the summer of 24, actually April of 24.

00:39:18.420 Now, let's get into it.

00:39:20.100 Let's look at GDP.

00:39:21.560 Our first look, first quarter GDP up 2%.

00:39:25.340 That's 3%.

00:39:26.380 2%.

00:39:27.500 Wow.

00:39:28.540 Gardner, you're my, not just manufacturing, you're for the small manufacturers.

00:39:34.680 I got a chart about imports I'm going to talk about in a second.

00:39:37.180 But give me the good news that came out today from Brother Santelli.

00:39:42.800 Oh, lowest jobless claims since the late 60s.

00:39:46.760 How can you argue with that?

00:39:48.000 That's Trumponomics.

00:39:49.780 The good news on that is that for the first time in three years, manufacturing jobs grew as well.

00:39:58.000 Why I say three years is because I don't consider the spike in manufacturing hiring in 2022, 2023 as real.

00:40:06.360 It was because everybody was laid off during COVID.

00:40:08.680 I don't consider that a real, and I'm in the manufacturing industry for the audience.

00:40:11.900 I've been in the manufacturing industry, own a machine shop since 2005, 21 years of doing this.

00:40:16.880 So this is why this first quarter growth in manufacturing jobs is so important to see, because I think it's real.

00:40:24.760 So that's what's exciting for me on the jobless claims.

00:40:30.300 We're kind of on fire.

00:40:31.880 And this doesn't get, because the business networks don't really get into it.

00:40:37.060 Bloomberg does, but Bloomberg's fairly technical because more traders really watch that than CEOs.

00:40:42.680 The more general business, I don't think they do a particularly good job of explaining President Trump's program.

00:40:48.300 But let me be blunt.

00:40:50.220 The tariffs are showing, manufacturing is on fire, and particularly growing, which we want, and hiring and wage growth.

00:41:00.000 one of the reasons and i would argue maybe the principal reason is um is a president trump's

00:41:07.520 tariffs coupled with his deregulation sir your thoughts without a doubt tariffs are all ships

00:41:16.120 rise with the tide and the tariffs are lifting up manufacturing broadly across you know north

00:41:22.200 america um what's interesting to me is how canada is you know president trump we need more uh

00:41:29.860 refining capacity. The number one weakness in hemispheric defense strategy is North American

00:41:35.060 refining capability. And what President Trump is doing that I really like is he's telling Canadian

00:41:39.960 steel and aluminum refineries, hey, move your production here. And that is in the process of

00:41:47.160 happening. And I agree with you, Steve. I think there's a lot of things behind the scenes that

00:41:51.440 American manufacturers and the American public don't know that's happening that is drawing

00:41:57.580 manufacturing hearing building it up. And I would love to see that communicated to them

00:42:02.940 more directly, particularly on a chart that came out today. Imports of capital goods

00:42:11.980 rose. Now, the first reaction would be, well, imports in Wall Street Journal could spin this

00:42:17.100 in a poor way. I see it as massively positive because capital goods, rather than consumer goods,

00:42:22.860 Capital goods are CNC machines to make more things.

00:42:26.660 We used to import a lot of consumer goods.

00:42:28.840 Now we're getting to importing the machines to make stuff.

00:42:32.400 And to be honest with you, America has CNC machines that make stuff, but our American

00:42:38.780 manufacturers don't have the machines of Japan, Germany, you know, and Switzerland.

00:42:44.300 Those machines, we don't make machines as good as that.

00:42:46.880 And so we're importing them in.

00:42:48.160 And let me tell you why this is so important to a manufacturer.

00:42:51.500 What that does is we're building massive manufacturing capacity.

00:42:56.000 You only build manufacturing capacity when you have confidence.

00:42:59.400 I know.

00:42:59.780 I'm a manufacturer.

00:43:00.740 I have machines in my machine shop.

00:43:02.040 I only buy a machine if I know that that five-year loan that I took to get that machine, I'm going to be able to get the business to pay that loan off.

00:43:10.220 And so that's why I see this chart that you have up on the screen right now, this big leap in imported capital goods.

00:43:15.420 And next, what we're going to see next year and a year after is the trade deficit shrinking

00:43:21.020 and exports going up in responses as the CNC machine manufacturers and capital goods manufacturers

00:43:27.080 are building in the process of building their factories here on American soil right now.

00:43:32.000 As Peter Navarro said, these factories will be opening up in two to three years.

00:43:35.860 This is the green shoots of American manufacturing being planted.

00:43:39.700 So this chart, I could see Wall Street Journal spinning it poorly.

00:43:43.940 But from someone, how I see the manufacturing industry for the audience is through the lens of being on the phone every day with small manufacturers and big manufacturers, manufacturers of every size.

00:43:54.760 That's what I do all day and for 21 years.

00:43:58.240 And so that's why I feel that I can speak to what's happening here because I follow all the economic indexes.

00:44:04.540 And to Steve, all the PMI and ISM manufacturing industries have been blowing through the roof since January.

00:44:09.980 Okay, I want to hit reset on this for a second because you're my small manufacturing guy.

00:44:15.480 We got, you know, all the big manufacturing, but you're sitting there going the heart and soul of American manufacturing

00:44:21.360 and the way to return us to be a manufacturing hegemon, which we used to be, is those smaller companies employing under 100 people or under 50 people.

00:44:33.360 How has it been?

00:44:34.880 And people, you have to look at time, horizon, and duration.

00:44:38.260 the liberation day was last april the first it was second day of april right so just over a year

00:44:45.640 ago and of course you had all the perturbations you had to go to the supreme court president

00:44:50.140 trump has kept you know the teams of uh of besant and and jameson greer and navarro fully engaged

00:44:57.080 in this and cutting deals with south koreans japanese etc you've had the all the court

00:45:01.440 challenges but that was just a year ago the big beautiful bill was not i don't think passed until

00:45:07.960 was it mid to late july early august and that takes a while to kick in we are only at the very

00:45:14.700 beginning of this kind of trump revolution to bring manufacturing back here to the united states

00:45:21.460 and return us to a manufacturing hegemon given that time frame uh john gardner how do you think

00:45:28.400 we're doing i think we're it's incredible to me after living through you know the recession as

00:45:37.320 a manufacturer and the oil crash in 2014, 15, and through COVID, it's incredible to me to see

00:45:44.280 how quickly President Trump is moving and pushing on this stuff.

00:45:50.740 Directionally, we're doing incredible. I think that there's a lot of positive things

00:45:55.560 administration is doing that is not being communicated to the public that even

00:45:58.500 manufacturers don't know that's going on. One of the challenges manufacturers have right now,

00:46:03.180 Specifically, again, 48% of U.S. manufacturers are five employees or less.

00:46:09.060 75% of U.S. manufacturers are 20 employees or less.

00:46:14.100 90% of U.S. manufacturers are 50 employees or less.

00:46:17.720 And, you know, Kelly Loeffler was visiting a manufacturing company, Lehigh Valley Plastics, in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, last month.

00:46:25.200 They've been a client of mine since 2015.

00:46:27.040 You know, John Sensinger, Chris England, I know those guys.

00:46:29.960 So I'm deeply embedded in this 90 percent of the manufacturing in America. I call them my people, the working class, the middle class. And so the biggest challenge we have is the price of materials because we have a lack of refining capacity.

00:46:46.620 But what the administration is tackling this head on, tungsten carbide is something that

00:46:51.960 is used to cut metal.

00:46:53.580 You don't have manufacturing without tungsten carbide.

00:46:55.300 It also goes in munitions, and we burned a lot of those in Iran.

00:46:58.320 So there's a tungsten carbide spike way high to from $350 a unit to over $3,000.

00:47:04.380 But what's not being talked about is all the moves the administration is doing to address

00:47:08.240 this.

00:47:08.400 They're working with all opening two mines here in America, a third one, Australian

00:47:14.240 mines, Portuguese mines, Uzbekistan mines, Canadian mines, they're working very hard to

00:47:19.360 address these things. And as I speak to small manufacturers, I hear, hey, my material costs

00:47:25.100 have gone up or, you know, hey, you know, the steel is high right now. But they're busier than

00:47:32.700 they've ever been before. But their material costs are high. And I'd like to see it communicated

00:47:37.520 more to the public, all the moves on the back end that are being done, because I watch them because

00:47:42.360 that's what I do. But I think there's a real opportunity there for the administration to

00:47:48.580 communicate the fantastic things they're doing that will take time. Tariffs cause short-term

00:47:53.260 pain as there's an adjustment for long-term gain. And we're seeing, I think, in my opinion,

00:47:59.860 of 21 years, a much faster return than I would have expected.

00:48:04.700 so overall you're saying and since 90 of the uh of the jobs manufacturing jobs are in

00:48:12.120 uh shops 50 or less 48 is under five or less and what uh 75 you said are 10 or less or 20 or less

00:48:21.360 10 or less 75 of american manufacturers are 20 employees or less wow so as you talk to your

00:48:29.580 client base they are generally happy with the direction of this and see president trump making

00:48:35.560 positive moves although obviously the tariffs it takes a while to get the tariffs to kick in

00:48:40.820 uh obviously we got issues with oil right now president trump is is trying to refine trying to

00:48:46.520 because we're an energy superpower but you have to have the refining capacity uh generally

00:48:52.640 directionally are folks happy with the direction they see this going in

00:48:57.460 Well, here's a direct quote that I find extremely positive and exciting.

00:49:01.160 I'm busier than I've ever been.

00:49:03.260 I'm busier than I've ever been.

00:49:05.500 Usually that's followed up by, I'm not making as much money as I should be because cost materials are high.

00:49:11.520 But we have, I talk to these, I've known these people, some of them over, you know, 20 years.

00:49:16.180 We have long conversations and, you know, what's this?

00:49:18.420 And we all say we see where it's headed.

00:49:20.520 And I think that being this busy this early on in President Trump's massive global shift of trade is very encouraging.

00:49:34.360 And the capacity, the machines being bought that we're building this early on shows that we all believe that.

00:49:42.900 We all believe in the direction that we're going or we wouldn't be buying the machines.

00:49:47.780 That's the bottom line.

00:49:49.020 exactly that's where that chart let's get it back up from the wall street journal capital goods

00:49:53.640 one day in the not too distant future john gardner's dream of having those factories 0.96

00:50:01.480 under 50 people that are doing precision manufacturing will replace the germans and

00:50:06.900 the japanese at least somewhat but at some point in time you got to do it but that capital goods

00:50:12.520 coming into the country means that we're building a manufacturing base and that's the important

00:50:17.320 the john gardner where do people get all your writings where they follow you on social media

00:50:21.620 because you're one of the most upbeat guys i know and one of the reasons you believe in american

00:50:26.720 manufacturing and the little guy and of course the little guy is coming through with flying

00:50:31.080 colors so where do folks go uh john gardner author.com or at john gardner voh uh on x and

00:50:38.860 getter and instagram where do people go to get your book i want it was your book the the original

00:50:44.580 book that's out on that I love so much. Is that out on Amazon? Yes, sir. Amazon and Barnes and

00:50:50.140 Noble. And yeah, I believe so much in American manufacturing because it can rebuild the working

00:50:56.460 class and middle class and provide the American dream with them. And that's really what my book

00:50:59.980 is about is my dad's journey through the American manufacturing industry and my own journey through

00:51:03.800 the American manufacturing industry to be able to live a middle class. John Gardner, you keep

00:51:10.540 fighting, man. You're one of the best. Thank you, sir. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me,

00:51:14.220 always all the time we're gonna get navara on here we got to do a better messaging job in this

00:51:21.480 there's so much good news out there on the economy and there's good news politically

00:51:27.920 are things perfect no they're not perfect do we have a huge fight in front of us yes we have a

00:51:33.120 huge fight in front of us can we win yes we can win are we going to win yes we're going to win

00:51:38.380 just get focused stay focused don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes

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