Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 1002： The Rise Of The New Greek Superpower

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval

00:00:10.980 on these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people

00:00:17.620 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:00:21.540 the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people

00:00:25.120 like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people

00:00:32.940 had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my

00:00:40.880 country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k van

00:00:48.000 it's monday a 4 may year of alert 2026 wow what a day for uh what a day for news matt bolt joins

00:00:59.380 us uh and matt's gonna be with us for the hour it's gonna go through geopolitics international

00:01:04.800 news uh his travels his big interviews what breitbart's got coming up this week a big event

00:01:12.780 And also his incredible interview with Salvini and with many over in Greece.

00:01:21.620 Just incredible.

00:01:22.440 Matt, first off, just tell the audience, you've been all over the world in the last month.

00:01:30.140 Take us to just an overview of your trips.

00:01:32.780 We're going to have Ben Harnwell actually from our room.

00:01:35.320 He was on with me this morning.

00:01:37.340 And he's very concerned about Marco Rubio's trip to Italy.

00:01:42.060 but we'll get to that in a second i'll play the clip as soon as it's ready um just walk people

00:01:46.520 through where in the hell have you been for like the last four weeks you're like an international

00:01:50.900 media superstar well we're out there building the american empire okay like so we're out there

00:01:58.680 building the america first empire around the world uh look here's the thing america first

00:02:03.820 you hear this all the time from the white house guys right like and from trump's team and whatever

00:02:08.080 America first doesn't mean America alone, right?

00:02:10.780 Sometimes it's the globalists trying to use that to argue that.

00:02:14.260 But the thing is, is that there are a lot of good people around the world that see the

00:02:19.700 world like we do.

00:02:21.160 They want to help us and they want America to be what Ronald Reagan described as a shining

00:02:27.560 city on a hill again, right?

00:02:29.240 Ever since Reagan, with both Bushes, with the Clintons, with the Obamas and Biden in

00:02:35.460 between the two Trump terms, we've seen a decline of American exceptionalism. On the world stage

00:02:42.260 and here in the United States, of course, Reagan was kind of that peak, if you will. And Trump is

00:02:47.920 aiming to return us to that. You know, you hear him talk about the golden age and so on and so

00:02:52.720 forth. Well, part of the way that we get there is, is that we need our friends and allies around the

00:02:57.340 world, people that see the world like we do, to join with us and to help us execute that vision.

00:03:03.220 because the fact of the matter is is that you know world economies are interlinked you know

00:03:09.500 energy is a big part of this obviously you see this with the war in iran right now in the strait

00:03:13.500 of her moves right the gas prices here in the united states are up because of the war in iran

00:03:18.980 and the strait of her moves being closed yet we don't import zero percent of the oil that moves

00:03:24.000 out of the strait of her moves comes to america zero percent so why are our gas prices up because

00:03:28.140 these things are interconnected uh so the the fact is is that what we need to do is we need to link

00:03:32.680 together with this global economic populist movement to fight the globalist extremists

00:03:39.900 that have steered us into this madness over the last several decades, because as much as we can

00:03:46.540 bash, and rightfully so, the political dynasties here in the United States, like the Bushes,

00:03:52.520 like the Clintons, like the Obamas, like the Bidens, it's not just them that did it. It's

00:03:59.960 the globalists in the world as well, in Europe, in Asia, in Africa, and certainly throughout Latin

00:04:07.600 America. So one of the things that President Trump has done has been trying to energize these

00:04:12.600 worldwide movements. And frankly, there's a lot of people that are super fired up about what

00:04:18.140 President Trump is doing around the world. And I'm trying to bring these like-minded voices together

00:04:23.840 and tell their stories and go out there and meet these folks. Because I do think that what we're

00:04:29.820 seeing right now is the beginning of, you know, I joke when I call it the American empire, but not

00:04:36.100 really, right? Like, I mean, that's the fact of the matter is, is that either we're going to win

00:04:40.180 or China's going to win. There's no in between here. There's no, the two systems are incompatible. 0.91

00:04:47.640 And this is one of the things you mentioned in my interview with Matteo Salvini, the deputy

00:04:52.140 prime minister of Italy. That's one of the things he said. He said in the interview that

00:04:55.620 China's system is incompatible with the West. And that's true. So again, if they win, 1.00

00:05:04.280 there's no such thing as private companies. There's no such thing as entrepreneurs in China.

00:05:09.380 There's only what the government encourages, needs, and allows to move forward. And it's

00:05:16.920 complete control by the CCP in Beijing. We're decades into what I would call Cold War II.

00:05:24.460 And I started reporting this stuff back in President Trump's first term. I went to Taiwan

00:05:29.220 back then. I did a bunch of other major stories at different places around the world and interviews

00:05:36.720 with different world leaders and whatever. But I really have accelerated here in the second term

00:05:41.140 Because I think what you're seeing from President Trump with the trade policies, with the use of our power economically, but also militarily, of course, and our diplomatic power, President Trump has expanded the original peace through strength doctrine that Ronald Reagan is famous for developing.

00:06:01.200 From the Reagan years, peace through strength was kind of a military and to an extent diplomatic strength of the United States.

00:06:09.260 President Trump has added another leg to this stool, which is the economic strength of the

00:06:15.160 United States. And so what we can do here is we can harness the strength of our friends and

00:06:20.680 allies around the world. And everybody wins in that scenario, right? Like, so what you see,

00:06:26.440 you see this with the president's efforts in the Middle East, you see this with the president's

00:06:30.260 efforts with trade, with Europe and whatnot. And what he's trying to do, I think, is bring

00:06:35.900 our friends in Europe to the forefront of this and get them to really engage and join

00:06:41.400 our fight, if you will. Because the sad fact of the matter is, is that if you want Western

00:06:48.020 civilization to survive, you need the United States at the forefront of this. And President

00:06:52.760 Trump is maybe the only hope for Western civilization as it exists right now. And where

00:06:58.040 these movements go and these people, these efforts around the world go from here is going to be

00:07:04.340 super interesting in the years to come. Let me ask you, I keep saying that in President Trump's

00:07:13.520 first term, Jared and I structured that first international visit. It wasn't to Canada. It

00:07:18.280 wasn't to London, which had happened. But our theory of the case is that Western civilization

00:07:24.620 goes Athens to Jerusalem to Rome. And of course, there we went Riyadh to Jerusalem to Rome.

00:07:30.880 You spent much time in Athens. Why does it seem like your message and what you're talking about is people are reaching out to you from the Eastern Mediterranean, from both Athens and Rome and all the all the contiguous nations there.

00:07:43.420 Why is that? Is it because it's a crossroads between Asia and Europe that the CCP is involved?

00:07:49.980 But it seems to me, you know, you were just the keynote speaker and did an interview with me.

00:07:56.260 We'll show in a minute the Delphi Economic Forum, which is one of the most prestigious economic forums in the world, but particularly in Greece, in that part of the eastern Mediterranean.

00:08:05.180 You just had a major interview with Salvini, which I know they requested.

00:08:08.940 Why does it seem like this effort that you're kind of at the forefront of of having voices talk about those nations that are that believe that America under President Trump and America first is a is the right path to follow?

00:08:28.200 Why does it seem a lot of this is happening in the eastern Mediterranean, particularly the two ancient capitals of Athens and Rome that are the foundations for the American republic and American democracy?

00:08:41.720 Well, yeah, first and foremost, their geopolitical location is extremely important.

00:08:46.720 That's the reason why these ancient civilizations rose and ruled for thousands of years.

00:08:52.420 Why? Because they were geopolitically extremely important.

00:08:55.700 And frankly, nothing's really changed since ancient times in that who controls the seas and shipping and trade is who is going to control the, you know, govern the world, right?

00:09:08.940 Like, and so there's a reason why you saw the Greeks rise first, really, of any of the major European civilizations.

00:09:16.520 There's a reason why the Romans came and dominated for thousands of years afterwards.

00:09:21.920 But then in addition to that, obviously, the current time frame here of where they are located in the world. 0.74

00:09:30.700 First off, they are the front lines of the immigration crisis in Europe.

00:09:34.900 So the migrant boats that are coming from Africa and the Middle East, like the Libyans and so on and so forth, that are coming into Europe, they aren't landing in Germany.

00:09:44.620 They aren't land. I mean, to an extent, maybe in Spain, but, you know, they're not really landing in France.

00:09:51.840 They're not landing in. I mean, yeah, they have migraine crisis and all they end up there.

00:09:56.660 But the point is that they're landing first in Greece and Italy. Right.

00:10:01.040 Like because they're the first front wave line of defense here.

00:10:04.740 So that's why. So there's that. And then in addition to that, just their geopolitical proximity to the Middle East,

00:10:11.860 which is, you know, frankly, a hotbed of major, you know, military stuff that's going on around

00:10:19.680 the world, but also energy, right? Like, and so, and then in addition to that, one of the things

00:10:24.440 that the Greeks have done, particularly in this administration, the second Trump term,

00:10:30.480 they've really leaned in on President Trump's vision of drill baby drill. So in addition to

00:10:35.820 building the ports and terminals necessary to take American natural gas that we're shipping

00:10:42.740 over, by the way, on Greek ships to Greece and to Europe that we're then sending up a vertical 0.81

00:10:49.140 corridor that we've built through Eastern Europe into Ukraine to counter the Russians on the

00:10:54.760 natural gas that they were dominating the European market. And we're shipping that natural gas right 0.88

00:11:00.340 up the pipeline into Ukraine. That's how you really beat the Russians in the Ukraine situation. 0.83

00:11:05.140 it's not with blankets and even weapons it's the energy right energy is how you win the war

00:11:11.640 but the fact is is that uh so being able to get the energy in there is important but in addition

00:11:16.520 to that the greeks are actually doing for the first time in in decades like i think it's like

00:11:21.440 close to 50 years uh that the uh they are doing a major and it begins early next year a major

00:11:28.000 offshore natural gas drilling exploration, where Chevron and Axon are both going to be active on

00:11:35.420 the Greek islands, two major American companies that are going to go out and explore for natural

00:11:41.860 gas and obtain it. If they could get that, it's going to really help our friends in Europe get

00:11:48.820 off of the bad actors around the world, whether it's the Russians, the Iranians, the Venezuelans,

00:11:55.560 etc., and be able to develop their own energy, which then probably helps them implement our

00:12:02.600 vision or what we're talking about. This is one of the things you see President Trump viciously

00:12:06.120 criticize Keir Starmer, the British prime minister, over. Keir Starmer, a Labour Party guy and total

00:12:13.180 loser, frankly, continues to refuse to even look for energy that exists likely off the coast of 0.92

00:12:22.120 the United Kingdom, right? Like around the Scottish Isles and so on and so forth. There's 0.98

00:12:26.060 very likely some major oil and natural gas there. But Keir Starmer is hamstringing because he's a

00:12:32.140 liberal, you know, green energy kook, hamstringing the British from being able to get access to that.

00:12:38.280 So the Greeks have really leaned in on that vision, which is great. And so you've got that.

00:12:44.720 But then in addition to that, when it comes to national defense, President Trump, of course,

00:12:48.080 has pushed, as well as the vice president and the secretary of state and Rubio, who we're going to

00:12:55.260 see go over there, they've really pushed the Europeans to fund more of their own national

00:13:00.120 defense through, go up to 5% NATO spending, 5% of GDP spending on their national defense,

00:13:07.100 all the NATO countries. And they've all, except Spain, agreed to do it. Some have had varying

00:13:12.700 degrees of success in doing it, but the Greeks were the first to do it and they did it before

00:13:16.220 we even asked them to. Right. So they've got a very robust military. You'll see them active 1.00

00:13:20.940 around. So I was just there for 10 days. It was my third trip to Greece in a year. And you see the

00:13:28.840 bases, you see military people in uniform. They have a robust national defense situation going

00:13:35.080 on in Greece. And the hope is that the rest of our friends around Europe will do the same. So

00:13:40.720 But again, this all comes down to which side is going to win here, the U.S. or China, when it's all said and done.

00:13:49.500 And again, the hope here is that our European friends and allies who are much more like us and see the world, sometimes you have to drag them kicking and screaming, but eventually they come around to our way of thinking.

00:14:03.500 Now, I think this is very important.

00:14:04.360 I got a clip from the Delphi Economic Forum.

00:14:07.780 This is one of the most prestigious gatherings on economics overall and geopolitics, but in Greece, it's the number one.

00:14:15.740 Why did they invite Matt Boyle?

00:14:18.120 Well, this is my second year there, so I went there last year as well.

00:14:22.040 It was my first time to Greece, and when I was there last year, it was right after Liberation Day, Tariffs Day, and the whole world is freaking out attacking Trump.

00:14:29.900 And I was the only one up there laying out what Trump is trying to do here with all this geopolitical stuff.

00:14:35.160 And it turned out to be a major hit because the Greeks understand this stuff because of all the reasons that we just talked about and more.

00:14:41.780 And so and people were looking for, you know, somebody to sanely explain it rather than your Wall Street journals and Fox News and whatnot, who were just attacking President Trump over the tariffs nonstop and whatnot.

00:14:53.960 So they were trying to understand why is the president of the United States doing this stuff?

00:14:57.340 And, well, we were the only ones that had a clear answer about that.

00:14:59.780 In addition to that, I interviewed the prime minister last year of Greece, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, and he correctly at the time, it was a really bold idea because he was the only world leader anywhere on planet Earth that defended President Trump.

00:15:14.180 And he did it in the interview with me. He said, this is going to lead to a trade deal between the European Union and the United States.

00:15:21.000 Everybody needs to chill out. Right. Like and it's all going to work out.

00:15:24.240 I'm paraphrasing him, of course. But the point is, is that, you know, that day as we first got there

00:15:31.600 to Delphi last year, the president did the 60 day pause or 90 day pause or whatever he did on the

00:15:36.980 tariffs. And then the market goes ballistic. And then later, of course, we get to a trade deal.

00:15:41.100 And by the way, when the US EU trade deal was signed the next morning, I was there in Scotland

00:15:45.900 with President Trump and I did a huge interview with him there about it all. And so but the Greek

00:15:51.720 prime minister ended up being exactly right. And so it was that big of a hit that they wanted me 0.99

00:15:56.860 to come back. So I did. And now we interviewed the Greek prime minister again at the Delphi

00:16:02.120 Economic Forum this year. And one of the things he predicted is that President Trump is going to

00:16:07.580 make a deal with the Iranians, and it's going to be a great deal for the whole world. That's going 0.95

00:16:11.980 to lead to, again, them not having a nuclear weapon and achieve all the other objectives

00:16:18.220 that President Trump is setting out to do.

00:16:20.240 Again, a bold prediction, but the president responded to our interview

00:16:25.440 with the prime minister again and called him a terrific guy

00:16:28.560 and thanked Greece for being a terrific ally.

00:16:31.140 Before we go to the clip, I want to, because Eric Bolling was the first to say,

00:16:34.140 hey, look, and this was weeks ago, the very beginning of this,

00:16:36.860 Eric said, hey, look, what ought to happen here is kind of what happened in Venezuela.

00:16:40.700 United States companies step in, working with the host country

00:16:44.500 and put in capital and get their production up to basically international standards and volume, 0.89

00:16:50.480 it says the Iranians have the same problem.

00:16:52.340 Since they've had sanctions for decades, they're so far behind that President Trump being the dealmaker

00:16:58.700 should have some sort of workout with the American oil companies and the Iranians themselves

00:17:05.520 to do this, obviously, after they agree to the nuclear weapon.

00:17:09.040 You heard the exact same thing independently when you were in Greece from many sources.

00:17:14.360 correct? Yes, many sources. I spoke with, you know, many Middle Eastern sources who were there.

00:17:20.240 So one of the things that happens at this Delphi Economic Forum, right? So it's been going on for

00:17:24.420 a little, I think this was the 11th year of this event. So they bring in leaders from around the

00:17:29.640 region. And again, them being as geopolitically close as they are to the Middle East, there were

00:17:34.680 Middle Eastern folks there, right, from a number of the different Gulf countries and whatnot. So

00:17:40.120 So I'm talking to a number of them about this.

00:17:42.140 And then I'm hearing from other people in the kind of the orbit of the U.S. officials and whatnot.

00:17:48.200 And also the Greeks move most of the world's, more of the world's natural gas than any other country on their ships.

00:17:56.500 They're a shipping power, right?

00:17:58.140 And so they still have that since then.

00:17:59.900 Super power, super power, right?

00:18:02.240 Yeah, they move 25% of the world's, 25% of the world's LNG moves on Greek ships, okay?

00:18:08.300 So that is a quarter of all natural gas planet Earth-wide moves on Greek ships.

00:18:15.160 That is astounding power for one nation.

00:18:18.320 Like even the U.S. doesn't have that kind of power.

00:18:21.240 So again, so the Greek shipping guys all kind of all talking about this as well.

00:18:25.260 So everybody's kind of there in that region of the world getting ready for the eventual deal.

00:18:30.420 While we're here in the U.S., everybody's still freaking out about this thing and that thing.

00:18:33.740 Well, he won't, he, you know, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:35.800 No, no.

00:18:36.360 the rest of the world sees where this is going and they're getting ready for it and they're

00:18:40.460 preparing for it. One person told me that they're getting all the pieces in line so that way they

00:18:46.360 can treat day one like it was day zero, right? Like that was the way they've put it. And so,

00:18:51.680 and again, so everybody's getting ready for this and the, except for the American political

00:18:57.940 establishment here in Washington, right? So telling that story and capturing that is very

00:19:03.100 important. But yeah, that's exactly right. The American energy companies could go in there

00:19:07.180 and really develop the Iranian energy assets, which serves a lot. There's a lot of oil and

00:19:12.020 natural gas in Iran. That's just true. There's a reason why they're an energy power and whatnot.

00:19:18.040 You're right that the sanctions have blocked them from being able to do that. And one would think

00:19:21.780 that, and this is what Steve Wyckoff has been arguing for, right? So I remember interviewing

00:19:26.280 Steve Wyckoff about a year ago, exactly right now at the White House about this and that kind of

00:19:32.200 what he said the way he said it was that iran could join the league of nations right like there

00:19:37.240 is no formal like league of nations anymore but you get what i'm saying they could join

00:19:41.480 the rest of the civilized world and stop being you know terrorist actors if they if they if they

00:19:48.440 agree to the pretty reasonable terms that they can't have a nuclear weapon ever right like and

00:19:54.260 if they do that and they join in with the rest of the world that you know and they start making

00:20:00.440 look, money's green, right? Like at the end of the day, if these guys start making a ton of money

00:20:06.340 working with American companies, all of a sudden, maybe the interest in spreading terrorism around

00:20:12.100 the region and around the world and, you know, pushing for a nuclear weapon starts maybe falling

00:20:17.500 back off the wayside and they want to, you know, just continue to develop their economic resources.

00:20:23.720 Again, very similar thing has already happened seemingly in Venezuela. And we're now starting

00:20:29.380 to see American airlines flights, I think, flying into Caracas for the first time in many years.

00:20:34.920 The fact is, is that we could see a similar situation in Iran. Iran's a lot more complicated

00:20:39.140 to be fair to critics of the war and so on and so forth, in that there's a much deeper

00:20:44.380 seeded regime there than there was in Venezuela, but we could be headed for such a situation.

00:20:51.740 Let's play a clip from Delphi and then we'll come right back. Let's go ahead and play it,

00:20:54.960 Denver. Talk to us about the seaways and the trade and how that factors into this 21st century

00:21:01.520 fight. Well, one of the predicates, I think, of President Trump's, this gets back to trade

00:21:06.240 and economic policy and the community of nations looking after their interests. Remember,

00:21:11.580 it's ironic you're there in Greece right now because Greece is a superpower when it comes

00:21:17.520 to free navigation. It comes to basically the logistics of the world. We tend to think in

00:21:22.700 a world of artificial intelligence and all this advanced 21st century technology that the basic

00:21:30.360 fundamentals and foundations of how you move material goods uh throughout the world is

00:21:36.080 something that's antiquated nothing to be further from the truth actually logistics and supply chains

00:21:40.920 are at the forefront right now of modern you know economics both macro and and micro and the greeks

00:21:47.540 are a superpower in that regard. And I think no audience appreciates the issue of free navigation,

00:21:53.560 particularly given some of the straits that are very near Greece itself and have been fought over

00:22:00.060 for millennia. President Trump is very much a student of military history. He's very much a

00:22:06.460 student of naval history. Samuel Elliot Morrison, we've talked many times about victory at sea and

00:22:13.340 President Trump studied that. I would say President Trump has a very Mahanian, based off 0.77

00:22:19.140 Abraham Mahan's study of the world of the choke points. And you can see this in basically his

00:22:25.060 economic policy, whether it's the South China Sea, the Straits of Taiwan, the Straits of Malacca,

00:22:31.160 Diego Garcia. This is why Diego Garcia became such a big issue here recently.

00:22:36.260 You know, Matt, as you remember, I have a personal kind of expertise in this area. I was a naval

00:22:42.620 officer for the first eight years of my professional life in my early 20s, all the way to almost

00:22:49.160 I was 30 before I went to Harvard.

00:22:50.760 I was in the Pacific Fleet.

00:22:52.160 In fact, we deployed during the Iranian hostage crisis up to the Strait of Hormuz, which I've

00:22:58.020 sailed through before an American combatant.

00:23:00.280 My kid brother was a Navy helicopter pilot on a frigate during the tanker wars in, I

00:23:06.060 think it was 86 and 87, where we had to keep free navigation of the Strait of Hormuz following

00:23:10.880 the brutal World War I type conflict between Iraq and Iran.

00:23:15.420 So President Trump, whether it's the Red Sea and the Suez Canal, whether it's the Panama

00:23:21.260 Canal or Gulf of America, the Caribbean, particularly Greenland, if you look around some of these

00:23:27.360 supposedly controversies of what President Trump's been doing, it's all predicated upon

00:23:32.140 a naval strategy.

00:23:33.100 This is why.

00:23:35.200 The Greeks understand.

00:23:36.700 If you talk like that to American politicians, they're like, huh, what?

00:23:41.680 The Greeks understand what I just said right there is second nature to the Greeks.

00:23:45.500 They understand that thoroughly, Matt.

00:23:49.080 Yeah, well, that's why they're signing up and basically enlisting in President Trump's

00:23:55.260 geopolitical war, right?

00:23:56.840 Like, I mean, they're the first in line.

00:23:59.000 Like, they're ready to go.

00:24:00.420 Like, and I literally just this morning was on the phone with some Greek activists.

00:24:04.480 I'm working on my next trip there, right?

00:24:06.600 Which is going to be in a few weeks. So it's like they're ready to go. They want deep ties with the United States. They know what the future looks like and what the future holds. And frankly, one of the big stories that I did a few weeks ago from my last trip when I was there back in February was about these ports that are happening.

00:24:27.000 Right. Like so one of the things that happened in President Trump's first term was Xi Jinping, the Chinese president, visited Greece and the Chinese government started funding this port called Piraeus Port in Greece.

00:24:41.780 And Xi Jinping went there himself and he called it the dragon's head. 0.89

00:24:46.820 OK, that means that that is the Chinese effort to take over the world.

00:24:51.520 They called it the dragon's head, not just in Greece, but in Europe and really worldwide in their efforts for geopolitical control of the seaway. 0.54

00:25:01.300 So we have this big debate that's going on right now about the Strait of Hormuz.

00:25:05.180 And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay the Strait of Hormuz.

00:25:08.180 We need to get it open. We need to get the trade moving, the ships going through and so on and so forth.

00:25:13.920 But if you think the Strait of Hormuz being shut for a few weeks is a big deal, wait until the Chinese control the Taiwan Strait and the South China Sea and the, you know, things like the Suez Canal or the Panama Canal, right?

00:25:29.400 So President Trump very smartly at the beginning of his second term here made serious inroads with the Panamanians to try to get Panama Canal back out of Chinese control.

00:25:41.880 Because what happened is there was this Hong Kong company called C.K. Hutchison. 0.60

00:25:45.840 Now, Hong Kong used to be independent from China, but not anymore. It's fallen totally.

00:25:49.880 The CCP totally controls Hong Kong now.

00:25:51.860 So there's this company called C.K. Hutchison that was controlling the port on both ends of the Panama Canal, right?

00:25:58.660 Like, and both ports.

00:26:00.900 So that's one of the most important seaways, if not the most important seaway in the Western

00:26:05.320 Hemisphere.

00:26:06.580 You know, if you want to ship stuff from the East Coast to the West Coast, rather than

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00:26:19.600 Okay.

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00:26:22.540 Matt just posted an interview with Salvini, one of the most powerful men, not just in Italy, but all of continental Europe, as the Secretary of State heads to have a meeting with the Pope and then Maloney on Friday, Pope on Thursday, Maloney on Friday.

00:26:41.200 Of course, our own Ben Harnwell gave his assessment from Rome this morning.

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00:33:07.080 Matt, you posted Salvini. Now, you did this interview around the time of the Olympics.

00:33:11.100 She posted it today because, obviously, a very complicated interview.

00:33:15.200 Give me your assessment.

00:33:16.580 Then I want to pivot to Rubio going, and I got Ben Harnwell.

00:33:19.060 He's quite negative on the trip.

00:33:20.700 But talk to me about Salvini.

00:33:22.480 Tell our audience who he is.

00:33:24.320 I mean, we've covered him for years, spent a lot of time with him in Italy,

00:33:28.100 one of the most important figures on the European continent.

00:33:31.220 Why did you interview him?

00:33:33.160 Yeah, well, I mean, honestly, he's one of the leaders of the populous,

00:33:38.900 European populous movement.

00:33:40.180 and has been on the cutting edge of this growing movement that we're talking about for a long time.

00:33:48.700 So it was, frankly, one of the most interesting interviews I've ever done.

00:33:53.840 We did it in the apartment of an Italian senator in Milan, which was a really, frankly,

00:34:01.020 it was a really fascinating interview, just the two of us sitting there with the senator.

00:34:05.660 um and so the uh in one of the in one of Salvini's aides and that's it that's all that was in the

00:34:11.860 room and this is the deputy prime minister the number two guy uh in the Italian government uh

00:34:16.740 and uh the he's super casual right like he's just a regular guy like you know um one of the things

00:34:23.300 that was fascinating when we did the interview I would ask the questions in English he understood

00:34:26.740 what I was saying and then he would answer in Italian and then the aide would translate

00:34:31.340 So part of the delay in getting the story out, which I wanted to have it out right after

00:34:35.500 we did the interview, but part of the delay was we had to do the more formal translation

00:34:39.960 and make sure that everything is right, getting it into English.

00:34:42.920 And then by the time we had that locked in, we were at war with Iran. 0.72

00:34:46.400 So the fact is that I was kind of looking for the right time over the last month or

00:34:52.140 so, last couple of months to put the interview out.

00:34:55.220 And I figure no better time than right now, right as it's announced that Rubio is headed

00:35:00.640 over there uh to smooth things over with the pope and with georgia maloney the the prime minister

00:35:05.800 of italy um so uh the so we did uh that whole uh is salvini is self is salvini trying to make a

00:35:14.880 move on maloney here because he's much more to the right and much more of a populist and much 1.00

00:35:19.620 more national she she's kind of become more of a standard stock politician although she came for 0.98

00:35:24.780 the most far right party the brothers of italy which is really the the old the league is maybe

00:35:30.720 more apart more far right than that so like or at least the salvini's version of the league right

00:35:36.520 like salvini took this like regional party and remade it into a major conservative force and

00:35:44.160 that's one of the deeper stories that i'm working on after this interview by the way if you haven't

00:35:48.560 noticed if I had an interview like this sitting in my notes for two months, I have a lot more

00:35:55.100 interviews and stories that I'm working on that as I get time to get them out and it makes sense

00:35:59.840 in the right time to put them out, we will put them out. But one of the things, you know, so I

00:36:03.960 ended up spending a lot of time at this Italian center. It was a really fascinating guy while I

00:36:08.900 was there around the Salvini interview. So we're working on a big profile on him. It's going to be

00:36:13.560 really, really interesting. He kind of mirrors the rise of populist politics in the world.

00:36:18.560 and in italy in particular but the fact is is that no so i don't know if there's a move getting made

00:36:23.640 on maloney or anything like that i wouldn't read too far into that because the fact is is that he

00:36:29.100 we did this interview back in february right like we just didn't publish it until now the um but the

00:36:34.040 fact is is that i do think that uh that contrast is pretty clear there though and president trump

00:36:40.240 posted the interview that we did with salvini on his true social yesterday uh which was really

00:36:46.340 fascinating. He put it up within like, you know, an hour or so of it going up. Like it wasn't that

00:36:51.580 long after the interview went up that President Trump posted. It was pretty fast. And so it got

00:36:57.360 a lot of attention across. It's like the front page of every Italian newspaper right now and

00:37:02.320 whatnot. But I think it's a good reminder to someone like Maloney that she needs to be more

00:37:06.980 accountable to the people of Italy, the conservative base that put her in power and that put Salvini

00:37:12.220 power and whatnot than to these globalist European leaders like Macron and MERS and

00:37:18.980 Starmer and whatnot, right?

00:37:20.660 And so maybe it's a reality check.

00:37:22.840 But it serves as that.

00:37:24.400 But I don't think you read into any moves or anything like that.

00:37:28.920 I don't think there's Game of Thrones going on.

00:37:30.480 So over the weekend, it was announced that Marco is going, Ben Harnwell, who holds our

00:37:36.780 international effort out of Rome, was on this morning.

00:37:40.540 Let's go ahead and hear from Ben. He was not a fan of this trip. Let's go ahead and hear it.

00:37:45.240 Asia. Ben Harnwell in Rome. The Secretary of State's heading over to see Maloney and the Pope.

00:37:51.700 Maloney specifically about NATO and very specifically Italy and the Italian Navy pitching in here.

00:37:58.660 Your thoughts on that. Didn't she already tell us, no, we're not interested, sir?

00:38:03.520 Well, I think what she's trying to do, it's not that Italy is saying, no, we're not interested.

00:38:08.200 It's no, we're not interested in U.S. leadership in this.

00:38:11.460 We're going to do it. We'll do it.

00:38:12.860 We'll try and guarantee freedom of travel in the Strait of Hormuz,

00:38:16.160 but we're going to do it with our EU partners.

00:38:18.520 We'll do this looking for a U.N. mandate.

00:38:21.660 And that's really, I think, the snub, the rebuff to U.S. leadership on this

00:38:27.600 from America's bridge to Europe.

00:38:31.820 With regards, however, to the visit, I think it's set to be the Pope on Thursday

00:38:36.760 and phony maloney herself on friday even though the official state department uh release said

00:38:43.680 they're going to see vatican leadership and then the equivalent uh representatives in the in the

00:38:49.620 italian government almost universally the press isn't sort of spinning this with regards to iran

00:38:56.820 or the gulf of hormuz but they're spinning this as effectively an apology tour marco rubio is going

00:39:04.700 is coming to europe to italy to restore the relationship after the uh hold it hang on

00:39:13.720 full stop full stop you're seeing an apology tour by the united states of america it's a groveling

00:39:19.700 on one's knees apology tour steve yeah groveling hang on hang on it's it's being presented by the

00:39:26.380 european media as a groveling tour of the united states the pope into maloney into the eu and

00:39:32.460 these deadbeats have done nothing to date, when they had every opportunity to help us out on a

00:39:37.620 straight in the Persian Gulf, which 100% in the Red Sea that supplies their economy and doesn't

00:39:44.040 really ply the United States with anything, they have the gall to do that? Perhaps I need to choose

00:39:50.740 my words a little better, Steve. It's a groveling, humiliating, prostrated, groveling tour by little

00:39:58.060 marco to to italy to rome that's how it's being presented um in the italian press for sure um and

00:40:06.220 i have to say right it seems to me that the state department is willingly allowing itself to be

00:40:13.900 played into that narrative and that's what's the most appalling thing about it okay let me explain

00:40:20.800 what i mean by that okay go ahead well let me explain what i mean by that um i personally as

00:40:29.900 are you as in anyone who's prepared to defend president trump and this administration publicly

00:40:36.880 here in continental europe and by that i mean the the uk everyone who does that is um used to a bit

00:40:45.780 of TDS. It's low level. It's always there. That's fine. I can quite easily cope with people

00:40:53.460 criticizing me for supporting the president. No problem at all. What really gets me, however,

00:41:00.520 is where this administration allows itself to be played and shows itself. And I'm not saying this

00:41:08.140 is the case. I'm saying this is the perception. It shows itself of not worthy of respect. That is

00:41:14.500 something i find far more difficult on personal interactions to defend um and i would if i were

00:41:20.760 marco rubio if i were the state government i would be i'd cancel i'd cancel the trip

00:41:25.140 on the basis of these headlines i'll say cancel you you you you want to repair this relationship

00:41:30.920 you come here you come to me you come to see me um in dc that's how we'll that's how we'll repair

00:41:37.960 this relationship because this relationship will be repaired by you understanding what president

00:41:44.120 trump meant by his criticisms by internalizing it and correcting your faulty behavior that's how we

00:41:51.820 repair this relationship coming here for a prostrated humiliating groveling apology tour

00:41:58.820 right and that as i repeat that is literally how la republica is playing this it's almost to the

00:42:04.320 to the word but is unacceptable it's absolutely unacceptable steve your your advice being in

00:42:10.740 your perch in rome is the way this is being played is that we're apologizing should both

00:42:16.640 of these meetings be canceled should both of these meetings be canceled immediately

00:42:20.220 without any doubt whatsoever of course absolutely um i think the state department has badly

00:42:26.740 presented or allow the reason why marco rubio is going to rome in the press uh and that i think

00:42:35.500 just signals American weakness

00:42:37.140 where it's absolutely not necessary.

00:42:39.980 So I have no hesitation.

00:42:41.660 Thank you, Denver.

00:42:43.520 Matt Ball, La Repubblica

00:42:45.240 is the center-right newspaper of Italy.

00:42:48.760 This is not a left-wing newspaper

00:42:49.980 coming after us. 0.86

00:42:52.080 And it's pretty definitive

00:42:54.420 that the State Department

00:42:55.580 has allowed itself to be played.

00:42:56.960 Your thoughts, sir?

00:42:58.720 Yeah, well, I think that everything

00:43:00.140 that Ben said there is right.

00:43:02.480 But the tell will be,

00:43:03.740 does rubio meet with salvini too while he's there right like and i think that if rubio he by the

00:43:11.720 way it's his job as secretary of state to go meet world leaders okay like to be clear uh you know

00:43:16.940 the the optics of this all aside uh you know the italians are a major part of what we're trying to

00:43:24.040 do around the world no doubt about it or what we were all talking about earlier but the fact is is

00:43:29.280 that as he heads there this week i doubt he's going to cancel it but hang on but hang on but

00:43:34.180 hang on but hang on but maloney has today we've sent to because of admiral cooper's as we talked

00:43:41.040 on the show this morning admiral cooper's presentation to president trump about his

00:43:44.440 range of options one of it was to force the action as we advocated in the straits of hormones

00:43:49.240 the persian gulf they've sent american combatants there to show that there's another path to get

00:43:54.020 the ships out there's 800 to 2 000 ships uh there they're they're starting to lead them out now

00:44:00.480 maybe not individually but as a collective group the the italians have been adamant they haven't

00:44:06.640 sent anybody to help us in the red sea they haven't sent anybody to help us in the strait

00:44:10.940 and they actually have a navy it's not a huge navy but maloney is there you see that they're

00:44:17.560 talking about an eu solution that has a un uh a un charter or un mandate to do that so the italians

00:44:25.020 to date as much as she's supposed to be the bridge you heard ben's shot at her no she puts herself

00:44:30.480 out to be the bridge between trump and maga and america first and uh in in the eu she hasn't been

00:44:36.820 she's very much a conventional eu leader in this regard has she not sir yeah she has been and so

00:44:43.920 So the big question, again, like I said, the biggest thing, I sent my interview and President Trump's true social post of it with Salvini to the State Department's senior staff with Secretary Rubio.

00:44:56.260 I've not heard back from them, but I recommend it to that secretary and his team that he meet with Salvini while he's there, because I think that that would be an important meeting for Secretary Rubio to take.

00:45:07.620 I do think he should go forward and go do all of the things that Ben is talking about there.

00:45:13.920 message wise. I think that's very smart. Why do you think he should meet with Salvini while he's

00:45:23.560 there in addition to Malone? Because I think that Salvini represents way bigger than just

00:45:29.660 the Italian government. Salvini represents a movement that's rising across Europe, whether

00:45:34.900 you see Gert Wilders in the Netherlands or Jordan Bardella in France. And frankly, all of our

00:45:41.720 friends that we're seeing in a lot of these other smaller countries on the eastern part of the

00:45:45.520 continent as well. Salvini is the leader of the economic nationalist movement in Europe. I mean,

00:45:53.720 and he is a check on these globalist losers, frankly, in Brussels. And frankly, Maloney is 0.97

00:45:59.680 thrown down with these globalist losers in Brussels for now. So maybe there's a way to 0.98

00:46:05.520 re-harness a lot of this stuff. Like, President Trump has deep, great personal relations with a

00:46:09.940 lot of these people. Okay. Like that's one of the things about him, even if he disagrees with them

00:46:14.180 and has a very different approach, Trump has a great personal relationship with like a guy like

00:46:18.840 Macron or, uh, you know, people like Ursula von der Leyen and whatnot. But the, the fact is,

00:46:24.560 is that, and even Maloney, uh, but the fact is, is that I think what we need to see here

00:46:29.620 is, is again, the American, uh, assertion of dominance. And, and, and this is what I mean

00:46:36.120 about when I was saying, even sometimes we have to drag our European friends kicking and screaming

00:46:41.040 our way. They face a choice here. If they want to go be globalist cocks, frankly, they're going to

00:46:48.220 get taken over by China. And we saw a taste of what that looked like in the year of COVID. Okay. 0.98

00:46:54.620 It's way worse than that. They're worried about the straighter her moves or worried about

00:46:58.500 masks and PPE. Wait till China controls everything. That is not good for them. That 1.00

00:47:04.220 It's not good for us.

00:47:05.440 So the point is that sometimes we have to force them to join us.

00:47:09.100 And this is one of those cases where I think Rubio can walk in there and really throw down on behalf of the president and the American government and make it clear that this is totally unacceptable and repair the relationship.

00:47:23.140 As for the Pope, by the way, I still think, I still think that the Pope has an enormous opportunity to do some things that we haven't seen from a Pope since John Paul in the 20th century.

00:47:37.440 He's not doing a lot of this stuff right now.

00:47:40.000 But when it comes to geopolitical stuff and combating communism and whatnot, I mean, look, Pope John Paul was critical to winning the Cold War, okay?

00:47:47.420 The Cold War one, right, against the Soviet Union, critical to winning the Cold War.

00:47:51.260 pope uh pope leo can can be that guy that helps us win cold war ii okay he can be uh and the

00:47:59.700 and the vatican has if he wasn't formal relations with taiwan if he wasn't he's not doing yeah is

00:48:07.240 when they decide to to basically make public the secret deal they have the chinese communist party

00:48:12.780 then i'll start to feel that he's on our side until then i don't matt i don't disagree

00:48:17.820 Matt, we've got to bounce, but you've got a lot of stuff coming up this week.

00:48:22.840 What's going on on Wednesday?

00:48:25.220 I think you're having an event on Wednesday, one of these special events that you guys put on.

00:48:30.320 We're doing a huge Breitbart News event with Ambassador Monica Crowley, the chief of protocol of the United States and the chief spokeswoman for the America 250 effort, all about America 250 and about her work as a chief of protocol.

00:48:42.080 She's the one who introduces President Trump to all the world leaders.

00:48:44.960 We're doing that Wednesday morning in Washington, D.C. 0.67

00:48:47.780 I think it's during war room.

00:48:49.380 So we will get you guys the coordinates if you want to carry it.

00:48:53.000 Yeah, we're going to stream it.

00:48:54.080 Is there ability for people?

00:48:57.320 Is it closed just to the media?

00:48:58.700 Is there ability for the average?

00:49:00.280 It's invite only, but if anybody out there wants to come in there in Washington, just reach out to me and I'll make it happen.

00:49:07.020 So I'll get them.

00:49:07.760 And where do people get your tweet?

00:49:09.880 You're putting up more of this great content on Salvini, all these things.

00:49:12.880 You're going to Greece back in a couple of weeks.

00:49:14.960 they've invited you back uh the eastern mediterranean is hot that's why kimberly

00:49:19.200 guildful is the ambassador there there was a reason that she went she's so close to the

00:49:22.720 president they understand you know tom barrack and turkey and special envoy for the entire levant

00:49:28.240 and kimberly and greece uh with with with crete and cyprus and everything going on it's uh between

00:49:34.400 rome and athens it's absolutely incredible important part of the world not just for our ancient

00:49:39.520 uh values and traditions we get from there but actually in modern history matt where do people

00:49:44.400 go to get all your writings and to see particularly about these special events that they want

00:49:49.540 to DM you.

00:49:50.740 Yeah, just Breitbart.com, also on X Twitter at mboy1 and on True Social at Real Matt Boyle.

00:49:58.660 Pretty impressive, Matt.

00:49:59.940 You put up the interview and the president puts on True Social virtually immediately.

00:50:04.940 Not too shabby, right?

00:50:06.700 Not too shabby.

00:50:07.640 Hey, world leaders, if you want to get a message in front of the president of the United States

00:50:11.140 in the White House, you know where to come.

00:50:12.520 The name is Matt Boyle. The paper is Breitbart. Matt Boyle, thank you so much. I appreciate you,

00:50:19.120 sir. You bet. Matt Boyle just took an hour with us. Incredible. I'm going to try to get Matt back

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Bannon's War Room - May 04, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 1002： The Rise Of The New Greek Superpower

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