Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 1004： Young Guys Who’ve Been In The Church Five Minutes Talk More Compellingly About Christ Than Bishops

00:00:00.000 You know, Tremaine really doesn't like conflict. 1.00

00:00:03.960 And what I didn't expect coming into Christianity 0.94

00:00:06.400 is how much conflict there was going to be.

00:00:11.640 Jesus says that he is the Prince of Peace,

00:00:14.360 and I fully believe that.

00:00:16.640 I also fully believe and understand now what he means

00:00:20.580 by people will hate you for my name's sake.

00:00:22.960 What I've come to recognize and what my journey

00:00:25.200 through Christianity has been, literally from the start, 0.70

00:00:27.200 has just been like violent whiplash. 1.00

00:00:30.000 the more I learn

00:00:32.680 the more I know

00:00:33.340 the more it feels

00:00:34.820 kind of lonely

00:00:35.460 the more I kind of

00:00:37.600 get sad

00:00:38.140 like I learned today 0.99

00:00:38.920 what Catholics view

00:00:39.740 on salvation is

00:00:40.620 I just feel grieved

00:00:42.560 I feel grieved

00:00:44.300 because I feel like

00:00:44.980 I'm holding on

00:00:45.520 to this thing

00:00:46.020 that I want to share

00:00:46.760 with people

00:00:47.380 and the majority

00:00:50.200 of people are going

00:00:50.780 to tell me I'm crazy

00:00:51.700 that's really sad

00:01:02.080 I don't know how to explain that feeling dude

00:01:04.040 to feel like you're grasping it

00:01:06.040 you've got this thing dude

00:01:07.340 you want other people to have

00:01:09.060 and not only do they reject it

00:01:11.720 but they hate you for it 0.63

00:01:14.000 they think you're crazy 0.95

00:01:15.020 they think you're just some 0.87

00:01:15.960 it's hard to swallow her okay tell me if it's just me but i really feel like i've been lied to

00:01:28.240 i was told it didn't matter where in the world i went every catholic church will be teaching the

00:01:32.600 same thing on the same day and upholding the same morals and values i have been to mass five times

00:01:37.700 at five different catholic churches now and so far that claim remains a hundred percent accurate

00:01:42.080 And that really bothers me, because you can't say that about any modern-day denomination.

00:01:47.820 And we see this in real time.

00:01:49.500 I made a video saying, I'm leaving the Protestant church, here is why.

00:01:52.580 There is a very fair amount of modern-day denominational Christians saying,

00:01:56.480 yeah, but that was just that one church, try another one of the same denomination.

00:02:00.540 I've been going to the same denomination as you for five years and had a completely different experience.

00:02:04.720 And it's like, why does that not bother y'all?

00:02:06.540 You are not only admitting that you know, but you are defending the fact

00:02:09.820 There are potentially millions of other Christians going to the same denominational church as you,

00:02:14.420 yet are having completely different experiences and realistically being taught completely different interpretations of the Bible,

00:02:21.140 all based on the pastor's own personal interpretation.

00:02:24.120 It's like at that point, you can't call it the truth anymore.

00:02:26.820 And in that same comment section, you see Protestants arguing with Catholics, Methodists arguing with Catholics,

00:02:31.120 all modern day denominations arguing with Catholics.

00:02:33.700 But not only that, you see Protestants arguing with other Protestants.

00:02:37.260 You see Methodists arguing with other Methodists. 0.63

00:02:39.960 The only ones not arguing with each other are the Catholics.

00:02:43.180 And it's because all modern-day denominations, realistically, there's like a 90% chance the pastor is teaching you their own personal interpretation of Scripture.

00:02:51.460 And personal interpretation is not truth.

00:02:53.700 The truth is universal. That's why it's called the truth.

00:02:56.040 So because of that, the church teaching the truth needs to remain universal.

00:02:59.940 And if your church, down the street from another church that is the same denomination, are not teaching the same thing,

00:03:05.960 then you are not being taught truth.

00:03:08.280 I don't know, man.

00:03:09.040 Honestly, the more I research and the more I see it with my own eyes,

00:03:11.760 I think I'm just stalling and I think I just need to dive headfirst

00:03:14.180 and fully commit myself to becoming Catholic.

00:03:19.200 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:03:24.120 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:03:29.340 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:03:33.600 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:03:35.480 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:03:36.940 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:03:38.700 but you're not going to stop it.

00:03:39.640 It's going to happen.

00:03:40.900 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:03:44.300 Mega Media.

00:03:45.640 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:03:51.040 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:03:54.860 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:04:01.040 War Room.

00:04:02.060 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.

00:04:05.100 harnwell here at the helm on steve bannon's war room let me just call up our guests straight

00:04:15.100 away before we move on jenny holland frank walker um jenny had the idea you might have noticed this

00:04:21.020 folks for recent shows we've been putting up often contributions on social media coming out of gen

00:04:27.580 gen x young guys gen x talking about their faith um and though jenny's chosen all the ones that

00:04:34.140 we've had i think over the last couple of months i chose these two uh myself i'm rather proud of

00:04:40.460 myself for that um very moving i uh i thought uh and you know i'm not looking for basically social

00:04:48.940 influencers talking about their faith i'm talking about just people who aren't influencers but just

00:04:55.580 ordinary regular people guys and girls just talking about their faith in an authentic way

00:05:02.460 Because I think that's what carries weight.

00:05:04.640 People might switch off, I think,

00:05:07.460 when they're hearing sort of influencers pushing the latest thing. 0.96

00:05:11.660 Christianity does appear to be the latest thing.

00:05:14.800 That's, I think, the running theme that ties the articles,

00:05:18.160 the developments, the stories that we're going to go through tonight,

00:05:20.480 I think is the fact that Generation Z especially is calling out 0.52

00:05:27.120 for actual red meat Christianity and all they're being fobbed off with.

00:05:32.460 is the modernism and syncretism especially in the catholic church that the bishops have been

00:05:39.700 pushing out for the last 65 years and if they've done their best to stamp out the faith in the last

00:05:47.820 65 years they're going to certainly continue that now with this revival that's taking place

00:05:56.240 This is something we've been highlighting every Wednesday. Frank, Jenny, good evening to you both.

00:06:05.180 Let's talk about this first important story.

00:06:10.460 It's an indication, a document that's come out, I think, of the two study groups to do with the synodal process,

00:06:19.780 which is this big thing in the Catholic Church.

00:06:22.800 It's been taking place under the direction of the late Unlamented Pope Francis, supposedly to give greater voice, I think, collegiality amongst the bishops and voice to the laity in the running of the church.

00:06:38.660 just like the the second vatican council itself though it seems to be simply a front for the

00:06:45.920 for the opportunity of people who hate the catholic faith to implement innovations never

00:06:53.660 seen before in the 2000 history of the church on the church under the name under the under the

00:07:00.020 banner under the veneer of listening to where the faithful are um that said frank walker and i this

00:07:06.880 I particularly want your reading on this story. I think that's exactly the case with this new

00:07:13.280 document that's coming out on choosing bishops. It's really what the revolutionary movement

00:07:21.440 in the church, the modernist movement in the church that isn't Catholic, is trying to use

00:07:27.040 for the nomination of new bishops, which generationally, as we have seen, fundamentally

00:07:34.720 is capable of moving the church because out of the bishops you get the cardinals and out of the

00:07:39.680 cardinals you get the the pope that said frank walker there is parts of this document which

00:07:51.280 i very much like to see and even if the modernists who are pushing this don't have

00:07:57.600 have the war room agenda at heart. There's no reason why the faithful can't hijack this

00:08:05.220 back from the hijackers, basically. And that is, as I think we've both said, the faithful

00:08:15.420 really need to take the running of the church out of the hands of the modernists who've

00:08:21.200 been driving the church into the ground to set it on the correct path. What happens after 0.90

00:08:26.560 But that, whether we move back to this sort of medieval model of the laity supinely bowing down to the episcopacy, to the bishops, I don't know.

00:08:40.100 And because this will be a long generational change, I probably won't be around over the next 50 to 100 years.

00:08:47.820 But I think the taking the levers of control of the church in the hands of the faithful is absolutely essential.

00:08:54.520 and there's parts of this document i think that that leads into that agenda if the faithful are

00:09:00.240 prepared to move in exactly the same way basically that um that the membership the activists have

00:09:06.980 taken control of the gop of the last 10 years to a large extent there's still work to be done

00:09:13.440 obviously is is is the war impossible no that tunes into the show especially the morning show

00:09:19.480 every day there's still much work to be done but that is very much what has happened in the gop

00:09:24.260 The activist, the MAGA movement, has taken over control of the Republican Party. 0.66

00:09:30.840 And I suggest something in the institutional Catholic Church would be just as necessary and healthy were it to take place.

00:09:39.280 Tell us, Frank, what's the document and some of the things that it highlights?

00:09:45.680 Well, it's the most recent Synod document that's been released.

00:09:49.840 And I thought, well, go take a look at it directly.

00:09:52.020 And it's huge.

00:09:53.560 you know it's huge and full of blather but what it really does is like you're saying i think

00:09:58.080 you see the hope in this but i think you're maybe a few steps ahead because they're kind of

00:10:03.200 democratizing the process um you know just on on those two wonderful speeches that you had there

00:10:09.300 at the beginning i talked to a priest this weekend it said in our diocese the most it ever had was

00:10:14.360 400 new catechumens this year this year they had 1100 and something like 38 and they had to divide

00:10:21.520 The bishop usually brings them together. He had to divide it into three different churches.

00:10:25.780 I mean, that was amazing. I've been sort of like, you know, hedging and about the all these new stats and comparing them.

00:10:31.840 But I mean, just in my local parish, that's quite a reality.

00:10:35.020 And to see these young people. So if you put together this democratic process that they're putting together here and change it around.

00:10:42.120 But I don't think that's what they have in mind. I don't think that's what these Sinatars have in mind for the process. 1.00

00:10:46.860 They want to, you know, as many Catholics will tell you, democratic processes can be hijacked by, you know, people sort of behind the scenes. 1.00

00:10:56.060 And that's really kind of what they have in mind. 0.68

00:10:58.480 The Synod documents are very blatherous. 0.90

00:11:01.200 They're full of blatherous. 0.99

00:11:01.960 So I'm going to give you a couple. 1.00

00:11:03.100 You have to pour through and find the quotes, a couple that are meaningful here.

00:11:07.740 Discernment lies at the heart of selecting a bishop, a motif in line with the wider Synod emphasis on listening and participation.

00:11:13.940 So what they're doing, this is really sort of a many-pronged attack on the rights of the bishop.

00:11:20.480 A bishop has the right to help decide who his successor is, to have a set of priests in his diocese that are after his own liking, and to protect as an apostle to defend the faith.

00:11:32.360 And this article here at this great site, Advaticum, I think is what this is, that really kind of addresses both those things, not just in making bishops, but also there's parts in this document about gay sex, where they're using this democratic process to apply it to not only how does a bishop make new bishops, but how do they address doctrinal questions.

00:11:58.360 and the synod process is just corrosive um they want to annuncio is to adopt a synodal and

00:12:04.660 missionary profile annuncio helps to select new bishops they want to have a presbyterial council

00:12:09.680 and a diocesan pastoral council and submit to the bishop a sealed envelope with the names of priests

00:12:15.200 that they would like so they're involving all of these people powerful people in the parish

00:12:19.820 lay people people of the local community donors and things to submit names that's how they have

00:12:25.940 done in china in the past you submit a few names and then the pope will look at a couple of them

00:12:31.200 pick out one or the pope will submit a couple names and they'll pick now it's just they pick

00:12:34.800 whatever one they want really but this is a tried and true old method um they're also going to

00:12:41.500 include general chapters in the finance council lay council representatives of consecrated peoples

00:12:47.000 young people and the poor the poor have to be involved frank um you mentioned china let's let's

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00:14:04.860 frank walker you mentioned china in here the um and this is why i think actually uh it's one of

00:14:11.800 the reasons i think the um the vatican um is opening itself up in a runnable way uh because

00:14:20.560 they are the hijackers here they have the modernists who have the catholic church in

00:14:25.300 their hands the institutional catholic church not the mystical body of jesus christ the

00:14:29.840 institutional church the hijackers have hijacked the institutional church 65 years ago and i think

00:14:35.800 this document here offers a way for the faithful to hijack the church back.

00:14:44.980 You're quite right, however, to, you mentioned China, right? 0.99

00:14:49.940 I can't help but think the most notorious, perhaps,

00:14:57.200 Episcopal consecrations that are viewed on the horizon

00:15:01.640 are set to take place in about a month's time in the first week

00:15:05.500 of june in the sspx the lefebvreists um and i sort of think reading this document ticking these

00:15:14.620 things off to in my head um i don't see how what the sspx is doing here on its in a local democratized

00:15:23.740 sense uh consulting amongst themselves uh goes against this document and you mentioned china

00:15:30.820 China's the big reveal here, because this secret Vatican Beijing CCP document, the text of which has never been made public because it's so scandalous to Catholics, effectively gives the CCP the right to pick bishops.

00:15:51.120 And all I'm saying is, if it's okay for CCP generals to basically spend all day out in the field raising churches and raising cathedrals and then come back to their desk at the end of the hard day's work and nominate bishops for the Catholic Church, then surely it's okay for the Catholic laity to have exactly the same prerogative. 0.54

00:16:16.520 That's my point here, and I'm never going to be dissuaded off that point.

00:16:19.700 They have a voice, you're saying

00:16:23.420 They have a voice in the church

00:16:25.200 And where they had no voice whatsoever

00:16:27.780 We're trapped, we're putting up with this stuff

00:16:30.400 That's not the way the church is set up though

00:16:33.720 You have a hierarchical system in the church

00:16:36.620 But maybe just for now, while we have this church 0.97

00:16:39.320 That is no longer Catholic 0.99

00:16:40.740 It would be an effective way to take it back 0.85

00:16:43.840 And maybe eventually bring back the hierarchical

00:16:47.780 You know, the structure of the church was really undermined when you started having these popes in the last two popes have been not Catholic.

00:16:54.240 What are we supposed to do now? The whole thing falls apart.

00:16:57.020 And so to give voice to actual Catholics, men like you just put up there, young, these young, if these young people are joining the church, they're going to find a church that isn't really what they're looking for. 0.72

00:17:08.340 Maybe they'll be inspired to join these.

00:17:11.020 You know, they they're going to have diocesan committees that consult with the nuncio and they're going to have the Vatican review their procedure.

00:17:19.100 So it's more like a company. It's more like a corporation.

00:17:21.800 So there's going to be a lot of ways for them to undermine the voice of the people that actually there. 0.59

00:17:26.540 And then here in this document also talks about theological discernment, where they say begin a people's lived experience to serve as a starting point for lived experience of gay people.

00:17:37.660 Well, they have – you know, they want to balance – I forget, there's a quote in here somewhere about a gay person that says that –

00:17:44.080 I've got it. I've got it, Frank. I've got it. I've got it. I've got the quote.

00:17:47.540 I have the quote because you and I have basically underlined the same shocking elements of this.

00:17:55.080 What it's talked about in this section on Catholics with homosexual tendencies, it emphasizes the importance of this report by the General Secretariat of the Synod for Bishops, emphasizes the importance of testimony, stating that lived experience should serve as, and I quote, the starting point for paths of ethical and theological discernment.

00:18:23.080 discernment frank walker let me put this hypothesis to you right i actually i'm actually

00:18:28.040 open to the mind to the argument that this document was written under the direction of

00:18:33.560 the holy spirit um because and here's why no no no here's why it's a serious thing right

00:18:41.240 here's why because i'm reading this document i think whoever wrote this was talking in tongues

00:18:47.960 And what I mean by that is that it's absolute senseless gobbledygook. What on earth does this mean that the lived experience should serve as the starting point for paths of ethical and theological discernment?

00:19:03.960 discernment i mean it's almost literally meaningless but to go to go to some of the

00:19:09.160 other things that it calls for it wants a change of paradigm it says uh that that in it's in setting

00:19:16.660 out the the qualities expected of of candidates for the episcopacy that is a priest to to be made

00:19:24.880 bishops and put in charge of diocese it says um it looks for the qualities including the ability to

00:19:32.800 And I quote, build communion, exchange, excuse me, engage in dialogue and demonstrate deep knowledge of local cultures.

00:19:42.620 There's nothing to do with the gospel here.

00:19:45.940 There's no profound immersion in the gospel of Jesus Christ, is there?

00:19:51.980 There's no talk of conversion and the fruits of conversion, which you will see that in the cold open that we had before the show,

00:19:59.700 these two new catholics spoke incredibly compelling about that's why i said i want these

00:20:07.580 i want this show on these when we do these wednesday shows i'd like to put at the beginning

00:20:12.700 and i'm active uh i do look at scout for these things on social media i do want to find young

00:20:18.220 20 year old guys new to the faith they have more catholic sense than people who've been priests and

00:20:26.640 bishops for 40 years right what does that tell you it just tells you that the holy spirit is

00:20:33.540 working like you said they're working directly going around the church right into the hearts

00:20:38.840 of the people because the you know god is going to eventually have his way this green shoots will

00:20:45.460 grow because the church is a living thing it's amazing they say that bishops should they look at

00:20:50.700 look at these kinds of doctrinal heresies as like opportunities and developments the words they use 0.62

00:20:56.080 are just terrible and they even actually have case studies with the type of people of gay people

00:21:00.700 that they should listen to and they have a quote there where a gay man says my what i do is not a 0.86

00:21:05.280 sin and uh and i would i would choose this uh to be even if i weren't born that way i would choose

00:21:11.480 that way so i'm not born that way but i would choose that way this is the type of person that's

00:21:16.160 supposed to be a starting point for doctrine and they want to change canon law according to these

00:21:21.540 synodal processes even like you know even at local levels it's incredible let me go back and

00:21:26.860 let me go back to that let me go back to that because that is exactly what they say they say

00:21:31.540 here that um that canon law needs to be um it needs to be subjected subjected i think i think

00:21:42.260 i think is the word here that they asked for canon law to be subjected to um this this discernment

00:21:50.280 process which is astonishing um yes astonishing thing for them to say

00:21:55.140 the real sin was not my love but i could trust in his desire for my fulfilled life because the

00:22:03.580 holy spirit god would always want me to be fulfilled this is the starting point of how

00:22:09.600 they're supposed to they're supposed to look at theological questions i've got it i've got the

00:22:14.240 quote i've got the quote that the subordination of canon law to inverted quotes the synodal spirit

00:22:22.260 reverses the traditional order um well that's that's one way of putting it right the subordination

00:22:29.480 of canon law to a synodal spirit um and of course the the quote you were talking about the the gay

00:22:36.480 guy at the end from portugal um he says uh the real sin was not my love but my lack of trust

00:22:43.300 in his God's desire for my fulfilled life.

00:22:47.960 It describes a same-sex partner as a husband

00:22:50.620 and rejects approaches centered on chastity.

00:22:54.780 And the annex two here from the United States is more explicit.

00:22:59.080 My sexuality isn't a perversion, disorder, or cross.

00:23:02.480 It's a gift from God.

00:23:04.660 If I could choose to be gay, I would.

00:23:06.800 And this is the starting point that they want for the discernment of bishops. 0.87

00:23:11.120 if they get their way on this frank walker the young guys that that we that we're showing the

00:23:17.980 beginning of the show talking about their discovery of the faith those those guys are

00:23:21.960 going to win a mile but of course that's exactly that that's exactly the objective of this isn't

00:23:27.080 it the objective is to create a church so scandalously not in tune with the gospel 0.90

00:23:33.520 but in tune absolutely with the unconverted world would be the quickest way to tell people who are

00:23:40.620 catholic curious do not cross this threshold because it will poison your faith right yes

00:23:48.200 yes thank god for the traditional uh churches out there that they can still go to and hopefully

00:23:53.680 that they'll continue to grow and do through shows like yours they'll be able to find them too

00:23:59.020 because when you see that when you see what the guy where god's working you know and and all the

00:24:04.600 in the even in the novus ordo churches all around the world that are putting up with these these

00:24:09.340 sit on things there are priests and nuns that are flying under the radar they're out there still

00:24:14.580 they just don't you know they're up against this but they're still out there and they'll find those

00:24:18.820 young people well that's that's the work of the holy spirit right that's what we need that we have

00:24:25.220 to be willing and able informed in the faith in order to help scatter the seed uh in in um

00:24:34.140 in coordination with the holy spirit because the conversion is the holy is the work of the holy

00:24:39.180 spirit right we're just we're just um local agents for that conversion process we're cooperating with

00:24:46.500 the holy spirit but it's the holy spirit that's that's that's the actual engine and motor of the

00:24:51.240 conversion process yes and hopefully like you say this will be avenue for for these people to have

00:24:57.900 a little bit of a voice bishop strickland as you know who has canceled he has come out against us

00:25:02.800 If you look at his site, he'll give it a clear, puts it in its place for what it is.

00:25:07.340 He is a bishop.

00:25:09.380 Let's just say two quick things then, two quick points before we go to the ad break.

00:25:15.380 First point, if you ask me, I actually think the priests of the diocese should be responsible for electing of their own number the bishop.

00:25:25.140 That's what I would like to see, the priests of the diocese electing one of their own number for the role of the bishop.

00:25:36.960 That wouldn't be a new thing, not at all.

00:25:41.300 It would be going back to the way the early church did it.

00:25:45.480 The Pope can, of course, ratify that and consent that and give his warrant or mandate to that.

00:25:51.920 I also think, moving forward, the worldwide episcopacy needs to fight back against the Vatican in its ability to remove bishops on spurious ground.

00:26:05.020 That is somewhat of a positivist novelty, and it's what's done it for Bishop Strickland.

00:26:11.620 He should never have been removed, and he should never have been allowed to be removed.

00:26:16.440 Rome never traditionally had that power. It's a new thing.

00:26:20.040 yes i know it's it's sort of a nazification of the church of this these lawless people in the

00:26:26.640 vatican you know they don't really care what the church law is and they don't care about the rights

00:26:30.320 of bishops and that's why they've come up with these synodal things the bishops have certain

00:26:34.040 rights because they're apostles and they're catholics and because you're a faithful cat

00:26:38.660 when you're a faithful catholic you have a freedom that comes with that that's that's

00:26:43.480 being completely ignored in this process okay i've got a point to add i'll add it straight

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00:31:44.920 i don't want to dive too deep into this one um for our largely evangelical audience this i think

00:31:55.740 the most important trad catholic show on television and our audience is largely evangelical

00:32:01.920 um it's one of the ironies of um of fate but i do want to say just for clarity and i wasn't

00:32:08.620 time before the break that traditionally the pope had the power to remove bishops around the world

00:32:15.820 if they were heretics that's why the pope has that ability um like the holy spirit given the

00:32:22.540 the pope that that um that authority to remove heretical bishops from office there's there's

00:32:29.300 there's no in the historical precedent of the church up until like the last century last few

00:32:35.200 decades there's no real practice of a pope removing a bishop just because

00:32:41.040 they were too orthodox and and the pope wanted to sort of parachute into the seat

00:32:50.180 another fellow heretic that simply hasn't existed in in the history of the church

00:32:55.760 um and that's what i say the laity should rise up or the episcopacy the bishops themselves should

00:33:02.300 should clarify this I've ever what the Pope's powers are Jenny Holland you've

00:33:10.820 been listening attentively to this discussion as we call you now Gen Z

00:33:16.160 right on the show that's your new nickname Gen Z interesting report that's

00:33:22.580 out well you're you're you are a very intelligent commentator on gen z right um there is there's

00:33:33.320 an interesting report out that seems to confirm the war room's thesis that it's the faithless

00:33:40.620 cultural catholics that are leaving the church in huge numbers but being replaced by by a far

00:33:51.200 smaller proportion but by people who are actually converting to the faith tell us a bit i saw some

00:33:58.660 statistics here which leapt out in me quoting from the religious landscape study the historical one

00:34:04.300 over many decades that said for for every six and a half people leaving the church one person was

00:34:10.580 entering and that's been updated a few years ago to to 8.4 leaving for everyone coming in i have to

00:34:17.780 say um and i know you'll probably talk about this as well as the report itself does that these are

00:34:23.020 people basically who are cultural catholics baptized perhaps as catholic but really fallen

00:34:28.520 away from practice who are actually leaving the church now um i have to say the quality of the

00:34:35.860 people coming in if the ratio is widening um the the quality of the people coming in i think is

00:34:44.060 unprecedented people who really understand as you saw from the um from the the two clips in the

00:34:50.600 cold open people who not only are informed as to what the church teaches but they have an emotional

00:34:56.900 response to it and are able to communicate that to their peers tell us about the um this uh this

00:35:04.140 report as i say i think it very much confirms what we've been saying now over the last year

00:35:08.040 on this show yeah um so it was written by a young man called david paul dievel uh who's a

00:35:16.240 associate professor of theology at the university of saint thomas in texas in houston texas um and

00:35:23.780 this whole piece is perfectly aligned with the entire show that you have run so far starting

00:35:31.600 with the cold open with those two social media posts by those two young men, recent, I'm

00:35:38.340 assuming, converts, and this discussion that you were just having with Frank about changes

00:35:43.680 to the bishop-laity dynamic.

00:35:47.820 And the first half of the article really covers all the ground that we cover regularly here,

00:35:52.760 the increase in interest in Catholicism among young people and how that is counterbalanced

00:36:03.280 by the exodus, mass exodus of the church, the collapse in numbers, the collapse in attendance,

00:36:11.160 the collapse in baptisms, more broadly speaking. And he comes to the same conclusions that we do,

00:36:18.680 essentially he also comes to the same conclusions that the two young men in the cold open come to

00:36:24.540 and that is that um what people are looking for is a robust um ecclesiastical or scriptural i

00:36:35.820 should say traditional catholicism that is based in belief and he contrasts that with a what he

00:36:43.740 calls the suburban right version of catholicism right being rite um which is he calls therapeutic

00:36:51.700 with boring um rituals um and this is exactly this this was this has tended to be my experience

00:36:59.260 going to mass for family occasions here in ireland and in the united states um all throughout my life

00:37:06.940 Even in Italy, they're sort of tepid, and they are a little bit vapid, actually.

00:37:14.900 And you find yourself wondering, like, what is really, why am I here?

00:37:20.020 Those two young men in the cold open were expressing something far deeper.

00:37:25.220 The second man talked about the truth, and the truth being universal.

00:37:30.320 the first man discussed how believing, how belief, when you come to your moment of belief

00:37:39.320 in the story of Christ on the cross and the Bible as is presented, when you come to that

00:37:46.100 moment of belief, you yourself are then burdened going forward, which is something then, so you

00:37:51.100 have to carry that cross just as Jesus carried the cross. And that is a very difficult, very

00:37:56.560 taxing, very trying, very lonely experience. It is not therapeutic. It is not about self-love and

00:38:03.160 it's not about validation and it's not about self-worth, um, which is, which is exactly what

00:38:08.440 those little bureaucratic changes being proposed in that article that you talked about with Frank

00:38:13.960 is, is edging towards, right. They're trying to say, I mean, to, to say, to replace, um, or to,

00:38:21.260 to equate lived experience with theological learning is an extraordinary thing to suggest.

00:38:34.140 Those are, I'm sorry, was I wrong in thinking that theology was based in scripture and lived

00:38:39.640 experience is based in whatever the hell you do on any given day? And those two things are not at

00:38:43.940 all the same. So again, it's a bit like why you prune fruit trees. You cut off the dead weight

00:38:53.760 branches so that the regrowth will be stronger and more robust and more long-lasting. And this

00:39:01.280 is the process that is happening now. I would actually even quibble with, Ben, your description

00:39:05.620 of the cultural Catholics leaving. I don't even think they are cultural Catholics. I think they

00:39:10.800 are secularists and they see no value in it anymore because it doesn't present any value.

00:39:17.460 One other thing that's really important to say that I think is driving these young people to

00:39:21.500 make these sacrifices, these moral sacrifices, like that man said about what the man who looked

00:39:27.440 a bit like Jesus was saying how difficult it was to carry around these beliefs because they

00:39:33.760 represent heavy truths and responsibilities. I think one of the things driving people in

00:39:40.700 this secular world where we have all material comforts, we have endless entertainment, we have

00:39:45.840 endless options, it seems. But what happens is that when we live a normal life, just minding

00:39:51.340 our business and thinking that things are still the way they used to be, and we run up against

00:39:56.400 the kind of quiet cultural revolution that's happened, we don't realize until we're in the

00:40:02.880 thick of it, in a battle with some woke bureaucrat teacher or family member or professor, that there

00:40:10.240 is absolute they give you no quarter they will give you no quarter so it's a very much you're

00:40:16.200 either with us or against us movement um and that has pushed a lot of people away um still the

00:40:22.840 minority because it's very hard to go off and wander in the desert it's very hard to abandon

00:40:28.680 you know everything you thought was normal your whole life and say no actually i think all of you

00:40:34.240 are wrong and i'm going to do something of my own that my own conscience is telling me that's all

00:40:39.720 people like that have always been in the minority. Um, but I think that sort of hearkening back to

00:40:44.720 the early days, you know, of the earliest days of this faith, when these people were wandering

00:40:49.840 around saying crazy things, like I am the son of God. Um, and everyone thought, Oh my God,

00:40:56.280 you're insane. And we're going to crucify you. I mean, this is, it's very interesting to me, 1.00

00:41:00.640 the sort of narrative parallels. Um, and it's very moving as well. I think it's very moving.

00:41:06.400 And whilst I think there's a lot of dark days ahead for the church and for everyone, really, who's caught up in the cultural revolution, I see this article in particular and those young men that you showcased at the beginning to be an extremely positive and reassuring sign.

00:41:30.140 um i'll add now um because you are active on x we'll give your social media in a few moments

00:41:40.400 at the end of the show um folks if you see in the algorithm if the algorithm presents to you

00:41:48.040 something we should have on the show send it through to jenny because she is there she's the

00:41:52.340 expert at picking the the best ones i am on x but i don't even think i have my dms activated

00:41:58.440 send them through to jenny reach out to jenny um because she normally picks the ones for the show

00:42:03.780 and thank you jenny by the way for introducing that that that tradition that we have on the

00:42:09.620 now to start off with with with the jennyx uh witness they're very very powerful by the way

00:42:17.580 catholic or or or evangelical or protestant it what if you think it's sincere and authentic

00:42:24.220 and truthful um send it through to jenny um i'll say this in response to what you said it can be

00:42:31.540 lonely right it can be a lonely experience to to go against the stream and it's one of the

00:42:39.000 unexpected blessings of social media jenny is it not um that actually you can see other people

00:42:49.800 perhaps of your same age or same background saying what you thought you might have only

00:42:57.060 you might be sat there in the church by yourself thinking you know i don't really agree with any

00:43:01.620 of this but it just it just must be me because i'm clearly the only one you know who doesn't

00:43:06.560 agree with and then you go on to social media and if the algorithm tunes it well for you

00:43:10.680 you'll realize not only are you not the only one there are so many other people all basically sort

00:43:16.420 of awakening saying you know i thought i was the only one who thought this um and now i'm not and

00:43:23.200 it's another as i say a very unexpected blessing of social media because we know about the filth

00:43:28.400 and the poison and the soul destroying uh stuff that the vile stuff that's out there and it is

00:43:35.140 out there um but there's the other side to the seesaw right the other the other side that there

00:43:42.080 is unexpectedly um a great virtue that social media is providing and that's putting everyone

00:43:48.720 in in touch with one another because that that helps to diminish the sense of loneliness and

00:43:54.600 isolation and build a sense of community um we're gonna sadly we've only got a few short minutes

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00:46:35.200 final frank walker sometimes you see a story and you think to yourself

00:46:44.660 No, this can't be. But it is. This is when hashtag not my Pope turns into a parody of himself.

00:46:57.120 For the sedate folk down in West Virginia, the Pope has appointed a new bishop who is, as the Guardian says, laconically, a former undocumented immigrant.

00:47:13.160 folks this is an invader who was by his own telling as a kid smuggled in the back trunk of

00:47:23.280 a car across the border into the united states and got in on his third attempt um and now

00:47:30.660 pope leo whom trad inc is trying to tell you to give just give leo a chance look because he wears

00:47:39.100 that he wore the vestment on the loja, right?

00:47:41.420 He had the mozzette to give the guy a chance.

00:47:46.780 This guy is a radical pro-invasion advocate.

00:47:51.940 Frank Walker, just in the final three minutes,

00:47:55.500 give us the full nature of horror

00:47:59.260 of what the Vatican has inflicted on the good folk

00:48:04.780 of, as Steve says, West by God, Virginia.

00:48:09.100 Bishop Menhevar Ayala was an auxiliary in Washington, D.C., but they had him there a couple of years already.

00:48:15.580 That's the swamp.

00:48:17.000 He was ordained by Uncle Ted McCarrick.

00:48:19.240 And who ordained you is very important.

00:48:21.980 Also, who's there while you're made a bishop is very important.

00:48:24.800 You know, not in any way.

00:48:26.640 It's just important to the people that do it.

00:48:28.740 And so, yeah, he's been put in West Virginia where they voted 70 percent Trump.

00:48:32.500 And he's full of stories.

00:48:34.520 And he's very much a radical.

00:48:36.160 and he's there to push against the Trump agenda.

00:48:40.980 That's why he's there, just like Leo.

00:48:42.600 He's there for that.

00:48:43.540 And he says that when he was young,

00:48:45.400 he fled out of El Salvador during the Civil War

00:48:48.320 where the government was shot at him

00:48:51.080 while he was trying to flee his house.

00:48:53.100 And the government was backed by Reagan's United States.

00:48:57.740 And the side that this guy was on were the communists.

00:49:00.860 And that's the kind of guy he is.

00:49:02.260 He's like a banana republic, liberation theology communist

00:49:06.080 And he's not the only one. I mean, I know they've done one. They're doing them all over the country. 0.67

00:49:10.980 People from Latin America have come here. Uncle Ted, priests that have become bishops.

00:49:15.760 And West Virginia is not the place for him. So he's getting so much pushback from actual conservatives and Christians.

00:49:25.220 He said he came with a backpack with one suit of clothes in it, but it was full of dreams because you launch yourself with confidence in God when you're a legal alien.

00:49:34.200 And he's full of this kind of propaganda.

00:49:37.700 And I'm noticing in the press, people are fighting back very hard.

00:49:43.860 And it really dovetails with all these stories about now every day,

00:49:47.440 Leo is attacking Trump and it's back and forth, back and forth.

00:49:50.040 And people can see that this is a political operation.

00:49:53.820 And all this does is bring enemies to the church.

00:49:56.860 In fact, in West Virginia, where they're putting this guy now, 0.51

00:49:59.000 The evangelicals are already advertising

00:50:02.000 And using this as an opportunity

00:50:04.180 To get more peoples

00:50:04.920 Which is what it did in Latin America too 0.98

00:50:06.680 When they did this down there

00:50:07.800 It really does drop the population of the church

00:50:11.260 Because it's plain for them to see

00:50:13.180 You know they're saying that Trump lied

00:50:15.200 It's in your face

00:50:15.940 It's in your face 0.65

00:50:17.660 It's like Obama tactics

00:50:21.780 Is really what it is

00:50:22.840 It's political tactics

00:50:24.460 Go ahead

00:50:27.940 No no

00:50:28.920 So he says he gives thanks to Leo as the first American pope.

00:50:34.080 Well, I naturally question the degree to which Leo can be considered a pope.

00:50:39.120 I certainly question the degree to which he can be considered American, because he's not.

00:50:44.760 His formation is Latin American. 0.97

00:50:47.000 And you said it absolutely right, Frank Walker. 0.99

00:50:49.940 He doesn't belong in West Virginia, but that's why he's there.

00:50:54.220 so he can turn West Virginia into a local variant

00:50:58.280 of every other sanctuary city disaster.

00:51:01.540 Folks, you hear the music in the background.

00:51:03.200 That's all we have time for.

00:51:05.580 Frank Wolkoff, social media, where do people go for you?

00:51:08.860 Canon 212, and you can see the daily video at Rumble

00:51:12.420 and at Gloria TV, and on Twitter, it's Canon 212 spelled out.

00:51:16.240 That's where you can see it.

00:51:18.120 And you do do a marvellous, Dave, summary,

00:51:20.960 which I think you upload as well onto stumblingblock.com, right?

00:51:25.700 Yes, that's right.

00:51:26.520 Every day, there's about a 10-minute update of the daily headlines.

00:51:31.000 Definitely worth doing.

00:51:33.440 Jenny Holland.

00:51:35.320 You can find me on Substack at jennieeholland.substack.com,

00:51:40.400 on YouTube at Saving Culture From Itself,

00:51:44.480 and on X at Semper Femina 21.

00:51:48.620 and folks do send your your clips for consideration for the show through to jenny on x and she'll

00:51:57.340 pick the best ones to drop them in to the feed i'm on getter i'm also by the way on x not

00:52:03.120 particularly active on there but i am there if you want to check out the uh check out my feed

00:52:07.520 that's all we've got time for folks steve will be back 10 a.m tomorrow my thanks to kyle in the

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WarRoom Battleground EP 1004： Young Guys Who’ve Been In The Church Five Minutes Talk More Compellingly About Christ Than Bishops

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