Bannon's War Room - May 08, 2026


WarRoom Battleground EP 1006： The New Film “The Story Of Everything” Explores Evidence of Intentional Design Throughout Nature


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Dr. Douglas Axe, a contributor to the new film 'The God Hypothesis' joins me to talk about the making of the film and his thoughts on the subject matter of the new Steven Spielberg directed film.

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00:00:48.060 Friday, 8th of May, Anno Domini, 2026.
00:01:00.920 Ben Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.
00:01:04.340 Good evening.
00:01:05.820 Very, very interesting guest now, Dr. Douglas Axe,
00:01:11.000 who is a contributor to this new film.
00:01:13.500 You might already have seen some of the promotional literature,
00:01:16.140 the story of everything before we go into it and talk to dr axe about some of the things he's
00:01:22.440 expounding in that film let's have a quick look at the trailer
00:01:25.580 today i'm going to tell you a story which may seem very strange
00:01:37.500 Galileo
00:01:40.780 Kepler
00:01:42.120 Newton
00:01:43.520 Each tried to explain events in the history of the universe
00:01:47.180 Has the universe always been here?
00:01:49.440 Or is it finite?
00:01:50.940 Is there something else that would lay these questions to rest?
00:01:54.080 It reopens that question of ultimate meaning
00:01:56.360 How in the world did this start?
00:02:00.400 The simulation theory?
00:02:01.660 The multiverse
00:02:02.340 You can't trust what's in front of your eyes 0.95
00:02:04.040 Come on, that's ridiculous 0.98
00:02:05.380 That belongs in the movies
00:02:07.240 we want to take our metaphysical hypotheses and see what they point to and i can remember him
00:02:17.360 saying here is evidence for what can only be described as a supernatural event he himself
00:02:24.900 made a discovery that shook his personal philosophy the fact the universe sprang into
00:02:30.600 being at a definite moment seems to me theological and it is science that has revealed this
00:02:36.540 We were dealing with a system of manifold, complex design.
00:02:43.540 Turned out to be the tip of the iceberg.
00:02:50.540 We associate information with a rational intelligence behind it.
00:02:56.540 It had an uncanny resemblance to a digital bit string, very much like an information carrier.
00:03:03.540 You can read the same segment forward to get one protein and backwards to get another.
00:03:08.460 It struck us with a tremendous impact.
00:03:10.540 Without guidance, we would get a life unfriendly universe.
00:03:15.020 Many organisms have beauty beyond anything that's relevant for their survival value.
00:03:19.780 The concept of life as a cosmic phenomenon should have many consequences.
00:03:28.260 The question then was what does one do about it?
00:03:33.540 well there are trailers that make you go meh and there are trailers that you think
00:03:51.360 make you sit up in the seat and think i can't wait to see this film i think it was made for
00:03:56.720 the war room audience it's right there at the intersection i think of um where a lot of our
00:04:02.180 audience are huge overwhelmingly evangelical audience we do have a traditional catholic
00:04:08.040 following as well uh but rational and informed as well and i think this film will help to explain
00:04:16.720 um some of the things that everyday people when trying to communicate their faith in a secular
00:04:23.240 sphere uh might struggle if they're not professional scientists uh to convey this film might help arm
00:04:31.180 them towards that. Tell me a bit, Dr. Axe, you're in this film, you're a contributor in it. Tell me
00:04:36.280 a bit about the film more generally. Why was it made what it's hoping to achieve? And then I'm
00:04:41.740 going to dive in a little bit on your own particular thought. Yeah, well, my colleague
00:04:48.020 and close friend Steve Meyer has written three books, the most recent of which is The Return of
00:04:52.940 the God Hypothesis. So all of these are apologetic. They're scientific apologetic books in that
00:04:59.180 they are looking at the world that we observe as scientists and making the case that when you do
00:05:05.920 that carefully, the world and science as a study of the world actually reveals that we're not alone,
00:05:13.360 that God is over this thing that we're observing. And so the last one, The Return of the God
00:05:19.020 Hypothesis, is the one that inspired this film that has been in the works for some time.
00:05:24.060 And I was just really pleased to see how well they came together.
00:05:29.180 um tell us a bit about the there are two theories hypotheses that a lot of our
00:05:38.880 audience will be aware of without knowing perhaps in in depth uh creationism and intelligent design
00:05:48.420 i think this film is far more within the within the second category intelligent design just say
00:05:54.620 a little bit if you wouldn't mind a recap on what those two different philosophies or
00:05:59.600 theological approaches to philosophy are uh what the difference is and why this film
00:06:06.460 leans more towards intelligent design itself so creationism and intelligent design
00:06:11.760 i think creationism is a broad statement that people who believe that this is a
00:06:18.620 universe that we live in a world that has God created our creationists. So I'm a creationist,
00:06:24.360 but it's kind of an approach to how you bring that idea to science. And typically people who
00:06:31.880 call themselves young earth creationists or old earth creationists go about it one way. And people
00:06:38.860 who associate with the intelligent design movement tend to go about it another way. And the difference
00:06:43.900 is a creationist approach to science is trying to reconcile the Genesis account with scientific
00:06:53.940 data, with scientific observations. The intelligent design approach, while not bashing that at all,
00:07:00.780 is saying, well, what if we just do the science well? In other words, part of what's gone wrong
00:07:06.400 here is that people have brought baggage to the science and they've allowed that baggage to force
00:07:13.640 an interpretation that is not really there in the data. So what if we were just to do the science
00:07:19.120 well? That's the intelligent design approach. What would the science tell us? And indeed,
00:07:23.860 if you do it well, and this film shows this in a remarkably powerful way,
00:07:30.080 the science itself says God is over this. And so the film has scientists after scientists who
00:07:37.080 were atheists and their own fields got them to either drop their atheism or to hit pause and
00:07:43.980 wonder what's going on alan sandage robert jastra dean kenyon uh fred hoyle all figure prominently
00:07:50.700 in this film so would you say the film is made particularly within mind for a lay audience or
00:07:59.120 also are you trying to get arguments across to the scientific community as well i think it's one of
00:08:05.040 these things that can straddle the two. It's intended to be intelligible to people who don't
00:08:11.100 have a scientific background, but it also, for people who do have a scientific background, they
00:08:16.880 will appreciate the fact that it is touching on things that are very technical and doing a
00:08:21.820 reasonably good job of conveying them in simple terms. Could you just give, I've got to give a
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00:08:34.640 give perhaps an example of an area where you think scientific materialism struggles or
00:08:45.700 leans too far over its skis, if I might use that term, to try to explain something, whereas
00:08:53.900 you're suggesting the evidence of, if I might say God, just to use shorthand here, a direct
00:09:03.020 indication of the fingerprints of God is most clearly discernible?
00:09:09.960 Yeah. Well, one that figures prominently in the film is the fact that this universe clearly had
00:09:18.140 a beginning. There was a beginning. And the film does a good job of showing historically how there
00:09:24.180 was huge pushback from astronomers, cosmologists, physicists, who did not like the idea that the
00:09:31.300 universe has had a beginning. They wanted this to be an eternal universe. The universe has always
00:09:35.560 existed. And when they study, when you look at outer space and you see the redshift and all these
00:09:42.440 things coming together, it forced them to the conclusion that no, in fact, this universe did
00:09:48.380 have a beginning. This includes Albert Einstein. There's clips in the film of Albert Einstein
00:09:53.100 realizing, oops, part of his theory with the cosmological constant was wrong. And he later
00:09:59.760 called that the greatest mistake of his career something closer to my work though of leaning
00:10:04.920 too far over the skis is darwinism the claim that we have understood a natural process that can
00:10:09.940 produce all kinds of living things and that just turns out to be false if you do the science
00:10:15.560 correctly which i've devoted a good number of years to doing well as a as a molecular biologist
00:10:22.960 i'm going to come on to that in just a moment is it your have i understood what you're saying
00:10:28.780 correctly here because in in talking about the creation of the universe the start of the universe
00:10:33.960 and of course effectively the start of life itself these are two things and i can understand at least
00:10:39.220 with regards to the universe why people looking to decouple the existence in the universe from
00:10:49.520 from uh an explicitly or overtly theistic response will say oh it's just always been there it's
00:10:56.160 eternal right because otherwise you you come into the question of well you know if rational
00:11:01.440 scientist science scientism is predicated on the principle of nothing nothing happening without a
00:11:08.800 prior cause all you have to do is follow the the the chain the causal chain back and you're going
00:11:14.460 to have a problem of trying to explain something that isn't caused and that's not a new thought
00:11:19.440 right that goes back to the ancient greeks probably one of the great contributions of ancient greek
00:11:25.000 philosophy um to to to the the rigor the rigorous scientific approach and that's why the ancient
00:11:32.960 greeks at the very end of it um just before the the onset of christianity predicated this existence
00:11:39.520 of god as the prime mover the unmoved mover that started everything off because that was simply
00:11:46.100 a rational uh a working backwards is is that is that what you're suggesting here then um because
00:11:54.140 the science now so clearly indicates a sort of a creation of all time matter space energy out of
00:12:02.360 nothing uh there must be something if before that that made that happen because you can't have
00:12:07.980 something because otherwise it's a supernatural act right yeah well everything that comes into
00:12:12.480 existence has to have a cause and when it became clear from cosmology this wasn't people saying
00:12:18.700 look at genesis this is people saying look at the galaxies it became clear from uh actual
00:12:25.460 scientific observation and data that this universe had a beginning which raises the question well
00:12:30.760 what caused this universe to come into existence and whatever that whatever the answer that
00:12:35.400 question is cannot be something in the universe because physics uh space time matter and energy
00:12:44.380 came into existence at some point, so something not that, something outside of that must have
00:12:50.020 been the cause that brought it into existence. And that puts you very close to, and all these
00:12:54.960 people recognize that, even atheists, that takes you very close to admitting that God brought this
00:13:00.280 whole thing into existence. Stay with us, Dr. Axe. We'll be digging down further on that in just a
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00:14:17.620 folks i will give again at the end of the show back to dr douglas axe you know i was going to
00:14:23.840 ask you now dr axe about some of your own insights as a biologist as a molecular biologist before i
00:14:30.940 do that however because in talking about the creation of the universe was it was it emmanuel
00:14:36.340 kant who suggested that the stuff that one of the things that cause wonder in him is looking up at
00:14:42.460 the starry sky at night if it's not kant i i'll apologize um to whichever philosopher it was but
00:14:50.240 it's a strange intuition isn't it that the universe is is an indication of um of the the
00:14:59.300 the creative power of god and yet even non-believers when standing up and looking
00:15:05.480 at that same starry sky can feel the stirrings of something
00:15:09.980 indeed and this goes all the way back to i mean and scripture has references to this um the heavens
00:15:17.940 declare the glory of god i think glory of god people have not heard that and have not you know
00:15:22.660 have not seen or read scripture when you see a beautiful starry night, which you don't always
00:15:30.380 where I am in Los Angeles because of all the light pollution. But when you're out away from cities
00:15:35.340 and you see the night sky, you feel both very small and in a way, very blessed to be beholding
00:15:43.600 something that is so immense, so much larger than us. And I think all the way back that has
00:15:48.960 indicated to humans we are not alone we're in something very grand and someone very grand must
00:15:54.760 be behind this um tell us now then with with regards to your own background as a biologist
00:16:06.160 bringing some of your own insights now what first brought you in i if i'm not mistaken you didn't
00:16:11.900 start out believing um so rigorously in intelligent design but it was really the evidence itself
00:16:18.940 that was sort of starting to indicate that you could detect certain evidence of design, of intentional design.
00:16:28.100 Tell us a bit about that journey, if you wouldn't mind, in just a couple of minutes.
00:16:31.220 Sure. I started off by studying engineering.
00:16:34.860 So I majored in chemical engineering as an undergraduate.
00:16:39.280 I went to UC Berkeley to study that.
00:16:42.320 I started to become very interested in the possibility of, I had heard about Darwinism,
00:16:49.040 was not particularly interested in biology, but when I heard about Darwinism and was moving
00:16:53.700 toward graduate studies, I started to think that we need someone to do a careful scientific analysis
00:17:03.780 to see whether Darwinian evolution can actually work or not. And it occurred to me that the best
00:17:11.000 way to do that would be to look at single molecules that have function. And these are
00:17:15.580 protein molecules. They're mentioned in the story of everything. And you get pictures of them,
00:17:20.920 some nice animations as well. The question in my mind was, these are really the smallest things
00:17:27.400 that are clever inventions that are necessary for life. And because they're small, they are
00:17:34.740 encoded by single genes, it's possible to do a test of Darwin's idea on these single things.
00:17:41.940 In other words, because a single gene gives the genetic instructions for making one of these
00:17:48.360 little active machines inside a cell, one can ask how hard or how easy would it be for mutations
00:17:56.560 in DNA to produce a new version of one of these things? And so I set out to do that. This was in
00:18:04.200 the UK. There's work that started at Cambridge University in the Department of Chemistry and
00:18:10.340 ended up at the Medical Research Council Center in the UK. And I had several papers published on
00:18:16.140 this, but came up with a experiment, results from an experiment that allowed me to come up with a
00:18:25.160 number that you could interpret as a probability of a blind process stumbling upon the genetic
00:18:32.820 information for one of these things to work. And that number as published is one in 10 to the 77th
00:18:38.980 power. So one in 100,000 trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, which
00:18:45.420 is an astonishingly low probability. At that point, I thought there's no way that this process can
00:18:52.520 work. It can't even produce the very smallest things that are needed for life, much less entire
00:18:58.440 new life forms um so let me just get that right then that's the um so the probability
00:19:07.820 then or of is this what you're saying the probability of life occurring in the way that
00:19:14.220 you're studying it spontaneously is one times 10 raised to the power of 77 is that is that the
00:19:19.500 the hypothesis no something to get life is much worse than that i'm talking about getting one
00:19:25.460 little piece, one little active protein. And you would need hundreds of those and a lot more on
00:19:35.000 top of that to get a simple bacterial cell. So it's just staggeringly improbable. The film talks
00:19:42.500 about all kinds of improbabilities on top of this, like the improbability of having the very, very
00:19:48.820 low entropy that the beginning of the universe had, the improbability of having the fine tuning,
00:19:53.240 the Goldilocks universe, and then on top of that is the staggering improbabilities of the parts,
00:19:59.780 the molecules that are necessary for life to function.
00:20:03.800 Is it right to say that life itself somewhat contradicts the law of entropy, of expanding entropy?
00:20:13.080 Well, it's a jarring surprise if we live in a universe where there is no God
00:20:20.380 and everything is just sort of winding down, as it were.
00:20:24.760 So the law of entropy says that natural processes
00:20:29.100 tend toward higher entropy or higher disorder.
00:20:33.460 And certainly something happened on planet Earth
00:20:36.660 that violated that, that brought about extraordinary order.
00:20:42.440 And I know there are people who say,
00:20:44.740 well, but the sun is compensating for that
00:20:48.540 because the entropy overall of our solar system is increasing,
00:20:53.800 but that doesn't actually solve the problem
00:20:55.520 because simply having entropy increasing somewhere
00:20:58.760 does not give you astonishing complex order somewhere else.
00:21:02.880 So yes, there is something jarring that happened on planet Earth
00:21:06.440 if you're a materialist or a naturalist.
00:21:09.360 Obviously, if you're a theist, there's a very clear explanation.
00:21:13.420 Someone created this and Earth was created
00:21:16.600 and this solar system was created in order for us to be here um you said elsewhere that
00:21:24.820 living systems look less like chemistry and more like engineering so with both a chemist
00:21:32.960 chemistry and engineering background that's a pretty powerful claim to make right
00:21:39.720 Yes, and I actually, as a graduate student, having studied a branch of engineering or a discipline within engineering that's called process control.
00:21:52.460 And with that background, I was at Caltech doing grad studies, and there was a lecture on a genetic regulatory mechanism that had a feedback loop.
00:22:03.640 and this is a mechanism that's telling the cell whether it should make more of the amino acid
00:22:10.320 tryptophan or less and it's balance it's in a balance where it can go up or down and i was
00:22:16.060 watching the diagram that's being put on the board during this lecture and i thought this is this is
00:22:23.120 remarkable this is engineering and i know something about that but this is engineering implemented at
00:22:28.760 the single molecule level and we've never done anything like this in uh in human technology so
00:22:35.760 i was blown away and i thought there is a connection between engineering and life but
00:22:41.200 there's also more a more elegant version of engineering than you find
00:22:45.740 in anything that humans have produced is in life
00:22:48.240 um i think we've got time really for one more question then i'll just ask you to sum up a bit
00:22:55.840 about the film and indicate where people might go i think this came out on the 30th of april right
00:23:01.100 just my final question to you is that if you had i don't know a couple of hours alone with a young
00:23:07.360 scientist a young skeptical skeptical scientist um i could talk to them uh a length about everything
00:23:15.840 that you've learned and studies what would be the the one um error perhaps or common misconception
00:23:24.460 what would be the one misconception about intelligent design and or evolution that you
00:23:30.640 would like to talk to him or her about yeah so and there's quite a few people like this and i do try
00:23:38.100 i try to engage in these conversations um today it would be someone who's learned things from
00:23:45.020 youtube and chat gbt and has kind of a sort of generic understanding and probably is tempted
00:23:53.320 to dismiss the intelligent design movement because it's motivated by religious sentiments.
00:24:02.960 So there's a religious, one would think by consuming this kind of information, that
00:24:09.980 there's a religious agenda behind intelligent design.
00:24:13.480 The first conversation I would want to have, and we could spend a bit of time of our two
00:24:17.400 hours on this, is really everyone has a worldview, and a worldview brings a bias. And this is not a
00:24:26.560 Christian thing. This is a human thing. We all have a way of viewing reality, and we all have
00:24:31.760 a commitment, some degree of commitment to that way of viewing reality. And therefore, something
00:24:37.640 that challenges our view of reality is always resisted by humans to some degree. So part of
00:24:42.860 that conversation would be, you got that and I've got that. That's not a Christian thing. That is a 0.97
00:24:47.840 human thing. And once that's understood, I would start to try to show that it is possible for
00:24:55.160 entire communities of highly educated human beings to have something completely wrong.
00:25:01.360 And it's because humans follow the crowd. And so can there be a theory that is completely wrong
00:25:08.960 and always has been completely wrong that becomes adopted and becomes a standard way of thinking in
00:25:13.640 an entire field populated with PhD scientists? The answer is yes, it can, because humans are
00:25:20.380 political beings. We are prone to groupthink. We are concerned about the truth, but we're also
00:25:29.200 concerned about our own career progression, about fitting in, about power, about wealth.
00:25:36.340 And it's in that context that you can have an entire field go in the wrong direction for an arbitrarily long length of time.
00:25:46.020 And then I start talking specifics to say, no, actually, Darwin's theory is a failed theory.
00:25:52.440 And there are very few people who have the backbone to admit it.
00:25:56.100 But even the smart people who are not favoring intelligent design know that this theory has failed.
00:26:01.600 and they're the ones that you don't see defending it
00:26:04.100 but they don't promote intelligent design
00:26:06.480 Dr. Axel, that's all we've got time for
00:26:11.160 where do people go to see the film
00:26:13.540 The Story of Everything?
00:26:15.620 It's still out in theaters
00:26:17.040 so it's made into a second week
00:26:19.580 so go to thestoryoeverything.film
00:26:23.680 and do a search for theaters near you
00:26:26.560 it's still out
00:26:27.260 and obviously after it's done with theaters
00:26:30.300 will be able to see it
00:26:31.200 as a streaming film as well.
00:26:34.280 And I'd very strongly recommend
00:26:36.540 folks go to Amazon
00:26:37.860 and get a copy of Dr. Axe's
00:26:40.280 Undeniable How Biology Confirms
00:26:43.000 Our Intuition That Life Is Designed.
00:26:45.740 Dr. Axe, thanks very much indeed
00:26:47.360 for coming on the show.
00:26:48.700 I look forward to having you back again soon.
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00:32:07.900 Well, you might remember a couple of weeks ago, we were speaking with Filip Gaspar, who
00:32:11.500 was live from Zagreb at the conference hosted by Vigilare International.
00:32:16.640 Well, I'm very honoured to have Vincent Battarello, who's the chairman of Vigilare and the host
00:32:22.280 of the Tradfest conference in Croatia.
00:32:25.700 Vincent, thanks very much for coming on the show.
00:32:28.200 Tell us a bit firstly about Vigilare and the conference and what you were hoping to achieve
00:32:33.200 a few weeks ago.
00:32:35.180 Well, first of all, Ben, thanks for the invitation.
00:32:37.620 It's a privilege to be here on the ballroom, first of all, talking from Zagreb, Croatia.
00:32:43.840 Yeah, so I run one of the biggest conservative organizations in the country called Vigilare
00:32:49.760 or Vigilare.
00:32:50.880 And together with our partners Ordo Joris Croatia and the Heritage Foundation from the
00:32:57.140 United States, we had a conservative conference a couple of weeks ago called Treadfest.
00:33:03.820 as you can see there on the screen, 1.00
00:33:05.800 the fall of liberalism and the re-emergence of Christian nations. 0.95
00:33:09.440 So it was great fun just to get just conservatives in Croatia.
00:33:13.800 Now, don't forget, this is run by the civil society.
00:33:16.180 So this is civil society pushing conservatism, right-wing values,
00:33:22.480 Christian values.
00:33:23.860 We're very unapologetic in talking about and saying that we are Christian.
00:33:28.640 We're very proud of that and that we want Croatia to remain a Christian nation.
00:33:33.540 Some of your viewers might know, I mean, Croatia is a relatively small country.
00:33:38.200 It's very well known for its tourism.
00:33:41.020 But if you look at the history, you know, we were known as the Antimorale Christianitatis,
00:33:46.680 which means the bulwark of Christianity.
00:33:48.620 And we were given that grand title in 1519.
00:33:51.600 So we have this fighting spirit within us, which was to a certain extent expunged by
00:33:58.200 the communists after 1945.
00:33:59.800 but that fighting spirit has always remained and we're bringing it back and we're taking the silent
00:34:05.660 majority in croatia which is which is quite conservative and we're saying listen we need to
00:34:11.280 defend um our our identity our history our christian values our christian roots um and you
00:34:18.380 know we need to tell the politicians what we want not that the politicians tell us what what should
00:34:24.360 be done you know we we have a a so-called conservative government we have a soft conservative
00:34:29.280 government, you know, in the line of, you know, the Christian democratic kind of parties in Europe
00:34:35.240 and so forth. So they're OK. But as you might know, they're very pro-Brussels and they're very,
00:34:42.040 very Brussels and they're only EU. So, you know, we're trying to change that. We're saying we have
00:34:46.640 a lot of friends in America. We want to get on this so-called Trump wave. And the whole paradigm
00:34:52.400 in the world has changed. And we want Croatia to be part of that. And I think Croatia now is
00:34:57.600 becoming this this one of the new hubs of conservatism especially in eastern central
00:35:02.800 europe especially if i dare say my hungarian friends will probably get angry but you know the
00:35:08.120 fall of the fall of conservatism in hungary so um you know we we had a we had a friend from um
00:35:14.960 prime minister orban's office he was he was at the conference as well so we're bringing in all
00:35:19.680 all of our friends from poland from hungary from the united states and uh you know we want to offer
00:35:25.760 something new in europe vincent i'm gonna just after after the the ad read in a few moments i
00:35:32.500 want to talk a little bit about croatia uh and its catholic identity um with regards and that's
00:35:39.980 going to be very important to the war in posse which is the the illegal third world invasion
00:35:46.100 right across continental europe a an existential crisis but you mentioned the trump wave you
00:35:51.420 mentioned the presence of presence of president trump uh tell me how is his presence on the
00:35:58.180 international scene making a difference i hope one would hope a positive difference to to the fight
00:36:04.400 in croatia beyond the merely performative sort of uh christian democracy that you're mentioning but
00:36:12.100 the actual real substance of faith in jesus christ how is his presence leading the the most
00:36:18.600 culturally, economically, militarily powerful nation helping your fight in Croatia?
00:36:27.920 Well, I think the most important thing is that, you know, we've all been in these culture wars for
00:36:32.540 a long time. And before we were fighting against the political incorrectness. Now with, you know,
00:36:41.360 with the whole Trump effect, you know, we're seeing that, you know, culture is changing.
00:36:47.820 And it is changing for the better.
00:36:49.960 And as I said, I mean, you know, we can unapologetically be Christian. 0.92
00:36:55.280 And with this Christian civilisation, we can really, really change things.
00:36:59.340 Now, the Trump effect is, I think, in the main way,
00:37:04.980 it's quite simply garnering, I mean, giving people hope that they need to rise up,
00:37:12.120 they need to talk, and that they need to defend the interests of their country,
00:37:16.280 First and foremost, I think that's one of the things that Trump is showing.
00:37:20.820 Look to the interests of your country, but at the same time, we can develop very good relations with other countries who have a similar cultural background.
00:37:30.480 I mean, this was the greatness of Europe.
00:37:32.960 This was the greatness of Christendom.
00:37:35.280 And we actually believe that this is actually coming back.
00:37:38.860 And this is what we're fighting for in Croatia, that, you know, that this Christian identity is maintained.
00:37:47.080 And there have been a couple of things, events happening in Croatia.
00:37:51.620 I don't know if you know, for example, last year in summer, the biggest rock concert in human history took place in Zagreb by a singer called Thompson.
00:38:02.420 There was half a million people there.
00:38:04.500 And there were Christian symbols.
00:38:07.120 There was even a bishop who prayed there.
00:38:09.660 And by the way, you know, I was there.
00:38:12.480 I'm 57.
00:38:13.320 I was one of the old fellows there.
00:38:16.100 Most of them were Gen Z young people listening to rock music, praying.
00:38:21.340 And there was a drone.
00:38:22.500 There was a beautiful drone show with the cross and the Virgin Mary and so forth.
00:38:27.740 So, you know, I think what's happening is that conservatism is capturing the imagination of the young people.
00:38:33.780 And the left in Croatia has gone ballistic.
00:38:37.120 why because all the sociological studies are showing that you know um the young generation
00:38:42.980 the gen z are conservative like their grandparents um so and and we've captured the young people and
00:38:49.700 that's why they're so much they're so much on the attack um so you know we're leading the offensive 0.99
00:38:55.680 um so to speak we cover this um every wednesday evening we have a show a regular show where we
00:39:03.940 discuss exactly what this is what you're mentioning how this revival that is taking place amongst
00:39:10.460 gen z and guys as well like men basically young young men um which is quite remarkable um it's
00:39:19.200 quite remarkable what what's happening uh and i don't think sort of five ten years ago anyone
00:39:23.720 would have predicted this but there's a difference you say conservative like like their grandparents
00:39:28.980 grandparents had like a default setting towards participation uh going to church on sunday
00:39:39.040 very much part of the cultural identity um what's going on now is yes i mean the the values are the
00:39:48.060 same but the whole approach is absolutely different because now if you're a young guy
00:39:52.300 if you're a 20 year old gen z guy and you're doing shoots on social media talking about your your
00:39:58.480 faith your newly discovered faith people the difference between now and and 60 70 years ago
00:40:04.360 is that people have grown up now not as part of that culture but as the culture is overwhelmingly
00:40:09.740 secular and and to some degree intolerance of christianity and people have got over that and
00:40:16.320 they're ready to fight which even though it's numerically a lot smaller i actually have a lot
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00:43:30.620 Just let me ask you this.
00:43:31.440 when i was um a few years ago when i worked in the european parliament two countries were
00:43:36.040 particularly known for being catholic there was the catholic identity country and if we needed
00:43:43.300 something doing uh that involved that it was we go to the polish but if you really wanted that
00:43:48.380 the fighters who rolled up their sleeves um uh and wanted to get down in the role you know get
00:43:54.980 down in a fistfight is let's go to the croats um no no it's absolutely true the the the the catholic
00:44:03.120 identity in in croatia is something to behold and if folks if you're ever thinking about coming to
00:44:09.320 europe for um crossing the atlantic and coming to europe on holidays do do look at look at croatia
00:44:15.060 absolutely astonishingly staggeringly beautiful country um vincent though tell me because the
00:44:22.240 the issue here that is going to be of obsessive interest to the warring posse is how are we
00:44:30.180 folks in europe dealing with this illegal third world invasion taking place um and really one of
00:44:39.560 the consequences that we have to deal with um not so much in the united states but here in um 0.63
00:44:44.520 here in continental europe is the figure of the pope pope leo his unlamented predecessor
00:44:51.560 pope francis before him big drivers of the invasion how does croatia balance its catholicism
00:45:02.800 um on the one hand and its desire to preserve its national identity its christian catholic
00:45:11.820 identity on the one hand with the rather more unusual necessity of having to publicly resist
00:45:22.840 and oppose the Pope who's driving that invasion? Well, first of all, I have to say that in Croatia,
00:45:29.600 the whole issue of migrants is not that important. We're not in their main roots.
00:45:38.900 Although, having said that, we do have over between 100 and 150,000 foreign workers now working in a country of 4 million.
00:45:50.320 And we do have these leftist elites who are talking about the GDP and the GMP and whatever, you know, that we need to have more foreign workers.
00:45:59.820 So and it's usually these guys, we actually call it that, you know, it's not so much bringing foreign workers. 0.66
00:46:06.040 It's almost like human trafficking of bringing these people in, especially from Nepal, from Bangladesh.
00:46:12.340 And a lot of us here are asking, OK, what's going on? Do we actually need these workers?
00:46:17.380 And so there are now laws going through the Croatian parliament which do not allow their families to come and so forth.
00:46:25.380 So, you know, there is a pushback in society as in regards to the church.
00:46:31.740 The church has a very good position in Croatian society because, you know, during communism, during the times of oppression, the church was with the people.
00:46:40.320 So, you know, they had a lot of social credit coming from the people.
00:46:44.680 And to tell you the truth, our church doesn't really talk too much about, you know, these migrant issues.
00:46:50.740 Having said that, there's another part of the Croatian nation, which I'd like to talk about now, and that's the Croats that live in Bosnia, Herzegovina.
00:46:58.140 And we had at the Treadfest, this is connected a little bit to what just, because, you know, we know that most of the migrants which are coming into Europe are from Muslim countries. 0.91
00:47:09.220 For us, there was a greater problem that in the heart of Europe, in a country right next door to Croatia called Bosnia-Herzegovina, we have a Bosniak-Muslim elite which wants to spread Islam. 0.59
00:47:21.100 And at Tradfest, we had the Cardinal Emeritus Vinko Poglić. 0.97
00:47:26.100 Now, that cardinal is the cardinal that stood next to Pope Leo.
00:47:30.100 There's this famous picture of Pope Leo and the cardinals.
00:47:33.100 He's a smiling cardinal.
00:47:35.100 He was in Sarajevo for the duration of the whole war, never left.
00:47:40.100 He's a great hero. He's a great man.
00:47:42.100 He's a humble man, a real Catholic.
00:47:44.100 Anyway, he was at Tradfest and he was saying,
00:47:47.100 because the Croatians are being maligned in Bosnia-Herzegovina,
00:47:51.280 amongst other things, we are seeking a third Croat entity.
00:47:55.380 This is one of the main topics of the Treadfest.
00:47:58.360 And, you know, Zagreb in Croatia
00:47:59.840 is a Western Christian civilised country.
00:48:04.600 We were shocked by the media lynch
00:48:08.500 coming from political Sarajevo, from the Bosnian Muslims,
00:48:13.440 absolutely attacking the cardinal.
00:48:15.740 I mean, this has not happened in continental Europe, 0.73
00:48:19.140 that a Catholic cardinal is being attacked by an Islamic elite, 0.87
00:48:23.560 by media, politicians, and even one politician saw us
00:48:29.320 that the cardinal be brought in for questioning
00:48:31.980 for anti-state activities.
00:48:34.500 So, you know, you want to talk about migrants.
00:48:36.220 We can talk about, you know, the Bosniak Muslims right next door 1.00
00:48:39.600 who are causing problems with the Croat Catholics 1.00
00:48:43.300 and the Serbian Orthodox as well.
00:48:45.380 So what we would like, especially with our American friends and with the Trump administration, is to focus a little bit more onto Bosnia and, you know, solve the situation.
00:48:55.920 It is solvable.
00:48:57.180 This is something which Trump, Vice President Vance, Secretary Rubio, they can resolve this.
00:49:03.800 They can quite easily, through, you know, different procedures, just seek the creation of a third Croat entity, which will protect the Catholic Croats there and which will also protect Bosnia-Herzegovina.
00:49:19.380 Because, you know, then the Croats will have their rights and Serbs will have their rights and the Bosnian Muslims will also have their rights.
00:49:25.160 But as it stands now, this is not good and that needs to be fixed. 0.92
00:49:28.300 it's interesting that you've had um such a different experience of the catholic hierarchy
00:49:36.460 in croatia just there you are on the other side of the adriatic from italy so close in one sense
00:49:42.320 but your experience because the italian um hierarchy that the episcopacy here in italy
00:49:47.840 has a very different influence on on uh on politics here have you made any approach has
00:49:54.700 Has any approach been made to the American administration
00:50:00.440 for help in that direction, or for leadership in that direction?
00:50:05.820 Indirectly, there have been contacts,
00:50:08.620 and we expect that there will be more intensive contacts 1.00
00:50:12.300 in the next few months, because as Catholic Croats
00:50:18.300 living in Croatia, we're not going to watch our people 1.00
00:50:23.100 in Bosnia-Herzegovina being, you know, 0.99
00:50:26.980 trodden on by, you know, certain Islamist elites 0.98
00:50:31.340 in that country. 1.00
00:50:33.420 So, yes, we have and we will continue
00:50:36.140 to make steps towards the Trump administration.
00:50:40.900 And we call upon President Trump,
00:50:43.160 who has described himself as being the defender
00:50:45.840 of Christians around the world,
00:50:48.000 and we've seen what he's done in Nigeria.
00:50:50.160 We call upon President Trump
00:50:52.740 to also do the same for Croat Catholics in Bosnia-Herzegovina as well,
00:50:57.980 to take the lead, to take the lead and to resolve it.
00:51:02.620 Just give me 30 seconds because time is almost out.
00:51:06.700 You're clearly, how do I say this?
00:51:12.440 You're ethnically Croatian, but you grew up in Australia, right? 1.00
00:51:17.660 Too right, mate, yep. 1.00
00:51:19.980 Whereabouts in Australia?
00:51:21.060 in sydney in sydney in sydney australia i was i was in sydney um a couple of months ago in
00:51:28.100 february for the advance i don't know if you know the advance australia guys uh for concert i was
00:51:33.580 blown away by how beautiful sydney was um absolutely uh absolutely great fantastic
00:51:40.360 fantastic city great sense of uh spirit and life okay vincent bartorello thanks for coming on the
00:51:46.540 war room where do people go on social media perhaps to support vigilare and and your work
00:51:52.080 upholding christian identity in croatia sure it's just uh vigilare um dot hr or vigilare dot
00:52:00.940 o-r-g so that's that's that's where they go that's it the vigilare dot hr and that's the
00:52:09.180 We have all the talks there as well.
00:52:13.120 Great talks from American friends, Hungarian friends, Polish friends, and from Croatia.
00:52:19.800 So you can see everything there.
00:52:21.980 And that's our website.
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00:52:25.560 Thanks very much for coming on The Worm.
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