Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 1011： Our Twin Existential Priorities： Stop The INVASION And DEPORT The Invaders

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00:00:44.780 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:00:48.020 Friday 15th of May, Anno Domini, 2026.

00:01:00.740 Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.

00:01:04.180 Good evening.

00:01:05.040 Well, big shocking news, I think, came out of Greece this week,

00:01:11.020 and that is the Greek Migration Minister, Thanos Plevris,

00:01:15.020 had said that his government, the Greek government, have estimated, according to their intelligence services,

00:01:23.100 operatives that are located all across the northern coast of Africa, especially in Libya and Tunisia,

00:01:30.680 that there are 550,000 invaders

00:01:36.480 sitting tight on standby,

00:01:40.740 waiting to illegally break in to continental Europe

00:01:44.320 on its southern flank.

00:01:47.540 What's happening right now isn't that they're coming in

00:01:50.340 through to Lampedusa, which is the island

00:01:53.980 of the south coast of the Italian peninsula.

00:02:00.240 They're coming in to Crete this time around in Greece, one of the islands of the Greek Archipelago, which is slightly strange because normally the western Libyan point of Tripoli was funneling people in to Italy, southern Italy.

00:02:21.120 and the eastern Libyan point Benghazi of Hillary Clinton fame

00:02:27.660 was funneling people in via the south of Greece. 0.67

00:02:31.680 This longer route means that at least something is being done

00:02:35.600 to make the entrance slightly more tortuous and, of course, to put people off.

00:02:42.580 So with me to talk about this, because we'll talk about this

00:02:45.980 in the second half of the first block of the show,

00:02:51.120 is Lorenzo Bernasconi of the Centre of Machiavellian Political Studies because this will fundamentally,

00:03:03.460 if this half a million invaders make it through into continental Europe, this will fundamentally transform the political spectrum.

00:03:12.020 We'll talk about that a little bit in just over a quarter of an hour. 0.77

00:03:16.820 But first, Lorenzo, thanks for coming on to the womb.

00:03:19.240 Tell me, please, what the news coming out of Greece is around this 550,000 projection.

00:03:28.400 Is it a serious, credible estimate? Are they overestimating? Are they underestimating?

00:03:33.200 Is this the Mitsotakis center-right, the Christian Democrat government, just being performative, putting pressure on to Brussels to wipe the Greek government's hands of the impending catastrophe?

00:03:50.020 Or are they really starting to do something about this now?

00:03:57.200 Good morning. Well, I think they are underestimating the threat. The threat is very serious.

00:04:02.020 everybody in europe now is speaking about the future hypothetical invasion from russia but

00:04:06.820 we are dealing with a real invasion from the southern flank of the continent the situation

00:04:13.780 is extremely serious and with the summer with the good weather that counts with the summer

00:04:20.580 it can only get worse and yes of course the greek government just as much as the spanish one and

00:04:28.260 And the Italian one is on the front line because everybody, at the end of the day, either lands in Italy or in Greece or in Spain.

00:04:37.480 But the real problem we have is that we have too many pull factors.

00:04:41.980 These people know that if they come, if they manage to get into Europe, they will not be expelled.

00:04:48.920 They will be able to get free money, free housing, pretty much any kind of benefit you can think of.

00:04:56.000 it is not possible

00:04:58.720 it is not logically possible to have

00:05:00.860 a European style welfare state

00:05:03.080 and open borders

00:05:04.220 it simply doesn't add up

00:05:06.820 alright

00:05:08.580 we're going to talk about this because

00:05:10.780 this is a mirror

00:05:12.720 situation I think of what is happening

00:05:14.660 right now over in Spain

00:05:17.020 with the

00:05:18.160 inverted commas

00:05:19.800 the regularization

00:05:21.840 of a similar number of people

00:05:23.780 500,000 0.81

00:05:24.920 giving those 500,000 invaders proper residency permits in Spain 1.00

00:05:31.820 will then mean that they can then disperse across the whole of continental Europe 1.00

00:05:37.680 the whole of the Schengen zone

00:05:39.340 obviously they're not allowed to do that

00:05:42.700 once you have the residency papers for Spain

00:05:46.760 you're supposed to stay in Spain

00:05:48.280 but you are allowed to travel with those documents

00:05:51.400 and then you just get a one-way flight and then you stay and you can choose

00:05:57.060 and you could go shopping for the best benefits system.

00:06:02.180 And that's exactly what's going to happen.

00:06:04.620 But you said something, Lorenzo, just a couple of moments ago.

00:06:09.140 Our audience, we do have an international worldwide audience,

00:06:12.540 but the lion's share of the war room is in the United States.

00:06:16.680 You mentioned something.

00:06:17.880 I wouldn't mind if you would just sort of explain the significance of this, because you said that the main crossing season is in the summer, and that's right, it's like between, I think, May and September, traditionally, at least into Italy, those are the main crossing times.

00:06:34.540 Just explain why that is, especially in the context, the present government here in Italy, the Giorgio Malone government of Fratelli d'Italia, says constantly that the numbers are down.

00:06:46.600 Well, of course, they are down because the last six months it hasn't been the migration season.

00:06:53.520 So it's somewhat, I think, distracting.

00:06:57.120 But just explain why that is, why the embarkations on these rubber dinghies

00:07:02.840 and overloaded fishing vessels take place at a specific point of the year.

00:07:11.280 Well, of course, the point is that despite it, when you read on European media

00:07:15.880 that a large boat has disembarked on the Italian coast with 200, 300 people.

00:07:23.160 It happens, but most of the people, in reality, come on small boats

00:07:28.100 that are not able to cross the Mediterranean with the winter weather.

00:07:35.140 So even if larger ships can get through the Mediterranean in the winter,

00:07:40.480 most of the people coming, it's not like one single group,

00:07:45.020 but many many group of 10 12 20 people but coming every day every day every night they try to land

00:07:52.860 at night as long as they can because they will not be found by the police it is easier just to

00:07:59.020 land on the desert shore and disappear and they have criminal contacts in the country of course

00:08:06.620 the italian mafia and some other criminal organizations are actively involved in this

00:08:13.420 trafficking because most of not most but many of these people the minute they land they get

00:08:20.940 recruited by these criminal networks in order to sell drugs to handle a prostitution business so

00:08:29.420 yes the in the summer uh the number of people coming increases dramatically and if you look

00:08:38.780 at the historical data it's always in the summer yes this winter was not that bad but no winter

00:08:44.780 in the past seven years was extremely critical from this point of view but you have to look

00:08:49.980 to the past summers and you will see what you can expect in the coming months just tell me what you

00:08:56.700 just happened to mention the mafia as a again to our largely american audience you mentioned

00:09:02.700 the mafia when people think of the godfather or goodfellas tell tell you can say this as an italian

00:09:10.300 say say a bit about these criminal networks because of course it's not just the mafia um

00:09:16.860 it's also the catholic church the institutional catholic church which creates a very unusual um

00:09:23.020 coalition of of interests both in it for the money but just just say just say a little bit

00:09:28.620 about the crime syndicates here in Italy, how they are involved in the human trafficking situation?

00:09:37.820 Well, mafia and similar criminal organization have changed a lot from what people can imagine

00:09:44.060 from movies like The Good Father or Good Palace. Well, now they have become a business and

00:09:50.940 most of their activity is recycling, cleaning up dirty money in legal activities and legal

00:09:58.060 businesses so they tend to outsource like small activities like small size drug dealing

00:10:06.060 prostitution etc to foreigners and the italians stay on the top of the organizations and

00:10:14.300 handle the more like the cleaner and more financial aspects of the activity so yes there is a sort of

00:10:22.060 agreement between the local mafia and the foreign and the foreign organization and also another

00:10:29.580 interesting fact that is not very well known about the largest foreign mafia in italy is the

00:10:36.780 nigerian one there is even a parliamentary committee that has published a very interesting 0.99

00:10:42.300 report on this issue because it's an extremely violent organization they mix some sort of tribal 0.98

00:10:51.900 believes tribal traditions drugs and extreme radical violence they deal mostly with drug

00:11:00.140 but also prostitution and weapon trafficking and they're they're extremely violent and our 1.00

00:11:07.180 police forces are not used to deal with this kind of phenomena and also the nigerian community is 0.99

00:11:15.980 extremely uh hard to to penetrate they don't don't trust italians they don't trust foreigners 0.56

00:11:24.060 and they are super scared of these criminals so it's hard to find someone that will cooperate

00:11:31.500 with the italian police authorities and yes you mentioned the catholic church that's another

00:11:36.300 interesting topic it is not just the church part of the church of course is supporting ideologically

00:11:42.380 unlimited immigration, but there are a lot of NGOs that take money from the state, they

00:11:48.460 get an incredible amount of public money, they spend a tiny percentage for actually

00:11:54.500 hosting these illegal immigrants, and they make a lot of profit. 0.97

00:11:59.500 So hosting immigrants has become a business. 0.95

00:12:03.020 And in 2018, when the first country government cut the funds for these NGOs,

00:12:11.440 none of them wanted to host immigrants anymore

00:12:15.620 because they were super happy to host more and more people 0.99

00:12:18.900 as long as the state was paying the bill.

00:12:21.740 When we said, okay, we will provide you the real cost

00:12:24.840 you're spending for hosting immigrants, 0.99

00:12:27.060 but you're not buying a Ferrari anymore

00:12:30.100 with the profit you make on this money,

00:12:33.020 these NGOs disappeared.

00:12:35.480 What a surprise.

00:12:37.680 It's funny that I don't mean to be cynical about this,

00:12:41.000 But the institutional Catholic Church, I always stress that I'm talking about, in my criticism of the Vatican, of the succession of popes, pro-invasion political policies, my criticisms are directed to the institution that is the Catholic Church, not to the Church comprised of believers comprising the mystical body of Jesus Christ.

00:13:08.940 It's important to stress that. But I don't mean to be cynical, but when the Catholic Church talks about the gospel imperative of welcoming the foreigner and the stranger,

00:13:21.940 is sort of sitting somewhat on, say, Mother Teresa's coattails

00:13:29.080 who had a worldwide, a beloved figure across the whole world

00:13:33.800 through genuinely living the gospel on the streets,

00:13:39.660 on the slum streets of Calcutta.

00:13:42.360 And, of course, Mother Teresa welcomed the poor, the dying,

00:13:46.840 bathed them, often with her own hands

00:13:49.280 for

00:13:50.560 60, 70 0.59

00:13:53.080 years, she did this out of

00:13:55.420 love for

00:13:56.400 the poor, seeing

00:13:59.380 in the poor person 0.78

00:14:00.580 the face of Jesus Christ

00:14:02.380 that is one of the most beautiful

00:14:04.440 witnesses

00:14:06.860 to the gospel, I think, in the 20th century

00:14:09.360 what she didn't then do

00:14:11.060 after that was send an invoice

00:14:12.780 via recorded

00:14:16.780 delivery to the Indian government and say,

00:14:18.840 cough up, pay up for my charity, for my services.

00:14:25.200 It was done out of the gospel. 0.54

00:14:27.040 What the Catholic Church is doing today,

00:14:29.380 it's using the same language and the same imagery,

00:14:33.080 but it's, you know, accolienza, the Italian word,

00:14:37.260 the welcoming, right?

00:14:38.660 But we'll do the welcoming of the invaders 0.94

00:14:43.680 and here's that invoice to the italian state you can pay us many hundreds of millions of euros per

00:14:50.880 year that's not charity that's not gospel living the gospel that is lorenzo as you are correctly

00:14:57.280 saying a business dig in slightly more on this point just after i give a quick shout out to one

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00:16:50.480 Bernasconi Lorenzo um something that we often say here on the war room is that

00:16:57.460 since Angela Merkel the center-right Chancellor in Germany letting one

00:17:05.200 million Syrians into Germany that created a transformation across the European

00:17:16.300 political spectrum back in 2015 I think Georgia Maloney was around 3% in the

00:17:24.880 polls, now she's on about 30%. And that has been mirrored right across. Every EU member

00:17:31.760 state has the same story. You have these small parties that you get under proportional representation

00:17:37.680 on 2 or 3% 10 years ago. Now they're between 25 and 30% across. And that is being driven

00:17:45.300 by an electoral response from the European peoples to this illegal third world invasion. 0.92

00:17:53.940 People don't want it. And they're quite happy. You know, they might have been browbeaten 10, 15 years ago away from supporting parties that the state and the authorities were calling far right or neo-fascist or what have you. 0.78

00:18:08.560 People don't care about that anymore. They know they're not fascist. They know they're not far right. They just want a political party that's going to do something serious about stopping the invasion and reversing it. The re-migration. I wonder if we'll have a moment to talk about that a little later in the show today because these two things go hand in hand. First stop the invasion and then start sending people back.

00:18:34.380 Tell me what your perspective is in your perch up in northern Italy.

00:18:39.240 You've been watching the political transformation take place here in Italy.

00:18:43.460 What do you think is going to happen to continental Europe, to the politics in continental Europe,

00:18:47.660 if the Greek government is correct in its estimate and 550,000 people are ready to disembark on European shores

00:18:58.900 now that the summer trafficking season is about to start?

00:19:03.480 I might add, just before you answer that question, that the United Nations itself, according to their figures, say there's something like 960,000 people in Libya waiting, potentially ready to come across.

00:19:17.760 That's nearly double the figure.

00:19:19.980 Tell me what you think is going to happen.

00:19:21.600 What's your prognosis for European politics?

00:19:25.620 Are we going to see a continuation of this trend from the hemorrhaging of support from what was once mainstream Christian democracy over to the populist, nationalist, inverted commas, far right? 0.90

00:19:42.900 Well, for sure, I expect a rise in the polls in Germany for Alternative for Deutschland, the right-wing party that has promised to put a stop to this illegal immigration. 0.97

00:19:54.880 And I expect that the Rezbollah national in France can go quite a lot as well, even if every time we have a new wave, a new large wave of illegal immigration, France basically closes the border with Germany and Italy to try to prevent these people from coming in. 0.97

00:20:15.780 Because the French government is very open to welcoming these illegals, but not in France, in other European countries. 1.00

00:20:24.880 But we have a huge problem with the European Commission, because the European Commission is pushing this idea of relocation, this idea that each European country must share the burden of illegal immigration. 0.58

00:20:38.520 But it's an extremely stupid approach, because the more, if you send a message to these people, okay, you will be relocated inside Europe, but you will stay somewhere in Europe, is the biggest pull factor you can imagine.

00:20:53.860 And people in Poland or in Hungary, they don't want, they travel inside Europe. 0.99

00:20:58.760 They see what Paris has become, what Berlin has become.

00:21:02.700 And they don't want the same situation in their countries.

00:21:06.220 And in Italy, we have a right-wing government at the moment that is trying to do something to reduce the phenomenon.

00:21:13.260 Of course, we are not geographically in a nice position because we are right on the front, on the southern coast of Europe.

00:21:23.260 And also, we have to live with this pressure from Brussels.

00:21:28.000 I think that sometimes our American friends don't fully understand

00:21:33.080 is how the European legislation impacts the capability of national governments to act.

00:21:43.480 Often, we have to fight legally with the European Union

00:21:48.480 to uphold our right to decide how to handle a lot of issues including immigration that

00:21:56.320 often we we lose this because year after year the european commission has tried to concentrate

00:22:05.200 more and more power inside uh inside the brussels not elected elite and taking this power away from

00:22:14.240 the nation states and away from the people so it's the legal framework we have at the moment

00:22:20.480 is extremely unfavorable also we have we have at the national level a problem that our courts

00:22:27.040 including the constitutional court has decided that any kind of benefit any kind of service we

00:22:32.880 provide to italian citizens we have to provide the same to these people even if they are not legal

00:22:39.440 like housing health care and of course that's not sustainable economically that that's not 1.00

00:22:44.960 sustainable because these people come here with nothing they come here they don't want to work

00:22:50.240 they they need everything from food housing health care and they don't contribute in any way to our

00:22:58.320 economy in the um in the the closing two minutes of this interview just give me your quick take on

00:23:07.840 on this because you and I have both worked in the European Parliament in

00:23:11.680 Brussels okay do you think that the Brussels establishment is and I'm

00:23:17.200 talking say Ursula von der Leyen and the Commission do you think the EU

00:23:25.520 establishment is prepared for the tsunami of

00:23:33.880 popular political rebellion that will wash over continental europe if they stand by and let half 1.00

00:23:41.220 a million sub-saharan africans into continental europe are they aware of it are they prepared 1.00

00:23:48.080 for it do you think have they correctly estimated the risk even to their own the the viability of 1.00

00:23:55.120 their own political

00:23:56.900 structures?

00:24:00.440 I think

00:24:01.200 they believe they can get away

00:24:02.900 criminalizing

00:24:04.000 dissenters. I think they have

00:24:06.940 learned the lesson of the UK. They think

00:24:08.920 if they criminalize any kind

00:24:10.980 of protest, any kind of

00:24:12.820 idea that is not

00:24:15.080 that is not

00:24:17.220 approved by their

00:24:19.060 plan, well, I

00:24:20.500 think they think they will be

00:24:23.040 able to discourage people from

00:24:24.980 protesting and they will be able to dismantle patriotic parties simply attacking at judicial

00:24:32.260 level at judiciary level their uh most prominent members but i i think they they got it wrong

00:24:38.740 because there will be millions millions of europeans that are fed up with this situation

00:24:44.660 and that will vote for right-wing parties all across europe and either they think they can jail

00:24:51.780 millions of europeans and they they don't have their in practical terms they don't have their

00:24:58.260 resources to do that in the and unless they are able to do that and they're not they will not

00:25:08.340 succeed i'm pretty sure they will not lorenzo um thanks very much for coming on the warm just tell

00:25:15.860 me before you go a little bit about the Centro Studi Politici e Strategici Machiavelli, about

00:25:22.180 your work, what the war in posse can, perhaps if they go onto your website, learn more about you.

00:25:29.700 Tell us a bit, just in 30 seconds, what you're doing there in Northern Italy.

00:25:35.300 Sure. We are the largest conservative editing tank in Italy. We cover a lot of many different

00:25:42.420 topics from geopolitics to ethics and moral issues cultural things defense as well and we

00:25:51.220 try to make our country and europe as a house for european and for free uh as a collective house of

00:26:02.820 three nations we try to make italy and europe great again and uh greater and less work because

00:26:10.900 walk is another is another issue that has got very big in the last years in europe and

00:26:19.220 as you know well when you go walk you go broke when you go work you go broke um very quickly

00:26:26.900 on uh on x where where do people go to find you on x or facebook

00:26:30.900 oh yes

00:26:35.900 where do people go

00:26:36.920 on x or facebook

00:26:38.260 yeah x facebook

00:26:41.140 instagram and tiktok

00:26:42.620 we are present on

00:26:43.860 all the main platforms

00:26:45.540 perfect

00:26:47.920 Lorenzo Bernasconi

00:26:49.960 thank you so much

00:26:51.200 for coming on the warm

00:26:51.860 come back again

00:26:52.800 especially I wouldn't

00:26:53.980 mind digging a little

00:26:54.720 deeper into the

00:26:56.260 domestic political

00:26:57.040 situation with you

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00:32:13.040 Welcome back, folks. Well, in the first half of the show, we were discussing the news that

00:32:17.900 the Greek government had identified 550,000 Sub-Saharan Africans waiting to

00:32:28.380 commence their voyage

00:32:31.960 into the southern flank

00:32:33.920 of Europe and I made the point 0.92

00:32:35.900 that stopping the 1.00

00:32:37.900 illegal third world invasion 0.94

00:32:39.780 is only half of 0.97

00:32:41.800 the challenge because the other half is

00:32:44.060 sending back

00:32:46.040 those who have illegally 1.00

00:32:46.920 come into continental Europe

00:32:50.040 and as I was talking

00:32:51.940 through with

00:32:53.680 the producer of this

00:32:56.160 show, the Friday show

00:32:57.920 that I do, Victoria and I was saying, we need someone on to talk about the re-migration aspect of this.

00:33:04.520 He said that every time we come up with an idea on the war and that we need to dive into something,

00:33:11.260 Arian Agashahi has already pipped us to the post with an article,

00:33:16.680 and indeed he has done yet again an incredible, incredible article in the Hungarian Conservative,

00:33:23.400 um which we're going to talk about with arian right now is always very very popular uh when

00:33:29.220 he comes on to our friday show arian thanks for coming on um what you have done here is simply

00:33:36.540 outstanding right i cannot compliment compliment meant it enough because you have in the when

00:33:43.120 people are talking about this you have so much performative exhibition exhibitionism on social

00:33:50.400 media. People are saying, oh, you know, send them back, it's terrible. But there's never really any

00:33:56.040 structural thought on exactly how what needs to be done here in a coordinated way. You have done

00:34:02.680 this. You have put the thought and the analysis into this. And I'd like to share this with the

00:34:09.760 war room posse today. I know that you've specifically developed your six pillars here,

00:34:17.620 framework within the German legal context. I will make the suggestion at the end that making the

00:34:26.120 necessary changes, this should be a blueprint for the whole of continental Europe. And I'll do what

00:34:31.780 I can to get this out to our political parties that we're in constant communication with across

00:34:38.300 the European Union. But first of all, just tell us very quickly about the article that you wrote,

00:34:45.460 well, way back in October of last year,

00:34:48.560 and then perhaps talk us through the six pillars

00:34:51.560 that you have identified.

00:34:55.660 Yes, thank you, first of all, for having me.

00:34:58.100 It's always a pleasure to join you.

00:34:59.900 Nice to see you again.

00:35:02.040 You know, generally speaking, I'm joining you from Germany

00:35:05.900 as someone who has spent years studying how migration reshapes

00:35:11.620 Not just numbers on chart, but the everyday reality of a country.

00:35:19.000 And because of my own biographical background, I have seen up close how quickly neighborhoods, institutions, and political culture can change once a state gives up control over its borders.

00:35:34.000 And before I start going through the six pillars you mentioned already, it's important to mention that I personally grew up watching how debates about integration, security and identity moved from the margins to the every center of political life, often only after problems had become impossible to ignore.

00:36:00.020 I think Germany is a textbook example for that.

00:36:04.140 And that experience has made me very skeptical of the comforting narratives that elites like to tell about manageable or enriching migration flows.

00:36:16.400 And from that vantage point, what I want to offer you right now is, as you mentioned, not another layer of rhetoric, but a concrete blueprint, six institutional pillars that would turn migration control from political theater into serious statecraft.

00:36:40.240 First in Germany, of course, the, you know, heart of the problem in Europe, at least,

00:36:45.460 but ultimately across Europe for any country that is still willing to govern rather than merely act.

00:36:54.820 Let's go for it. Let's go for it. Let's hit the first point now.

00:36:59.180 Yes. So the first pillar is a federal deportation and border agency with real teeth

00:37:06.180 designed to end the current fragmentation of responsibility.

00:37:12.140 In Germany today, enforcement is spread across 16 states

00:37:17.220 plus countless local authorities.

00:37:20.760 The police force in Germany, due to historical reasons,

00:37:25.360 is totally locally structured,

00:37:29.380 which means that whenever deportations fail

00:37:32.300 or when an obviously unenforceable tolerated status is extended again and again,

00:37:39.360 no one can really be held directly accountable.

00:37:43.080 And a central agency would reverse that.

00:37:45.980 It would have a clear constitutional mandate, like the German federal police,

00:37:52.200 a unified chain of command, its own training, data systems and personnel,

00:37:58.640 and the obligation to deliver measurable results in terms of removals and border integrity.

00:38:06.800 And, you know, this is not just about creating some exotic German special institution.

00:38:12.300 It is really about doing what every serious state does in the other fields.

00:38:17.500 You know, think about tax authorities or central banks and just apply the same logic to migration.

00:38:25.320 And this is the message.

00:38:26.780 Let me just stop you there, Ian.

00:38:27.960 Let me just stop you there. Does that mean that in Germany today, such a state heavy society as it is, there is no centrally organized police force that can work across all 16 states at a federal level, working together to send the millions of people who've come into the country illegally to send them back?

00:38:51.140 yeah basically that's true you know of course germany has the reputation of being heavily

00:38:58.360 state organized but not only due to our history in the short period in the second world war also

00:39:05.140 generally culturally germany is a really um is a federalist country in the sense of the federalism

00:39:13.900 in the u.s which means that the states have a very strong role and unfortunately with respect to

00:39:20.220 to immigration the individual states and the local police forces still have basically too

00:39:29.380 many layers of authority and we don't really have a federally organized centrally managed deportation

00:39:35.560 force okay um i had no idea that this i had no idea that the situation was so bad but it makes

00:39:44.320 sense it explains a few things so first of all then you you want something like the the american

00:39:49.800 ice basically that's there to working specifically across all the 16 lender to working together to

00:39:58.720 to to start the the repatriations the second point that you have here is is that you want

00:40:05.460 a modification within the judicial system uh in order to fast track the the legal appeals

00:40:13.080 and processes just give me two minutes on that yeah there you know one of the problems is that

00:40:19.080 you know, parties which rightly criticize the current status quo

00:40:24.240 do not offer really what needs to be changed legally.

00:40:29.700 So, therefore, the second pillar of such a concept must be

00:40:33.500 what actually needs to be done legally in the framework.

00:40:38.520 And in practice, you know, in our case,

00:40:41.580 that would mean that we need to rewrite the core migration statutes

00:40:47.860 so that deportation is defined as a federal duty, not a municipal courtesy that can be declined when it is politically inconvenient.

00:40:59.060 And, you know, detention prior to removal, for instance, should be the norm, actually.

00:41:04.780 And there should be constitutionally tested time limits, of course.

00:41:10.360 But what we currently have is actually like a cloudy toleration statutes and humanitarian extensions that allow people to remain in legal limbo for years.

00:41:24.760 And this needs to be abolished and radically narrowed so that every moment each individual is either in a clear procedure, in lawful detention or in the process of leaving.

00:41:37.900 so you want an end to the theatrics the performative oh the german political status

00:41:45.200 will send people back who shouldn't be here but knowing of course that outside of the political

00:41:50.280 framework you have the judicial framework um that that people can play invaders can play for years

00:41:58.580 and years and years and years and years um without anything happening happening so the second point

00:42:04.480 of your framework is you want the ability for people to game the judicial system, but

00:42:10.660 also the ability for the judges themselves to be somewhat constrained so that they have

00:42:15.980 to implement the laws as passed, right? We'll come back to your thematic sequences from

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00:43:33.480 tell them that steve bannon's war room shepherded you along back now to erin agashahi erin what's

00:43:41.420 your third item here on your your six pillars your blueprint i think this is you know one of

00:43:50.480 most important with respect to Germany, because for too long, European governments have treated

00:43:58.840 foreign aid. And I think Germany is really the textbook example for that. Just take a look in

00:44:04.640 our household and see the numbers here. They have treated foreign aid and market access

00:44:10.120 as almost unconditional moral gesture and entirely disconnected from the basic expectations that

00:44:19.300 partner stakes, take back their own citizens when they have no right to remain here.

00:44:25.940 And, you know, the third pillar is very straightforward.

00:44:30.740 Every major recipient of German or EU development assistance should be bound by cooperation

00:44:37.240 agreements that make readmission a central measurable objective.

00:44:42.860 In Germany, this would mean that the German development ministry would be required by

00:44:48.820 an amendment to its founding act to subordinate its programs to deportation compliance so that

00:44:56.080 funding volumes, project selection, and technical cooperation all depend on whether a state

00:45:02.360 reliably issues travel documents and accepts returnees. And countries that systematically

00:45:08.700 refuse to issue travel documents and accept returnees should face automatic consequences.

00:45:15.960 okay just to explain what this is about folks um in the european union i think pretty much all of

00:45:22.780 the member states have signed an agreement to give i think it's not off the top of my head it's

00:45:28.300 like 0.6 percent of their gdp in international foreign aid to developing countries um now put

00:45:37.840 that issue to the side one moment i personally don't think we should be giving anything whatsoever

00:45:41.580 But put that issue to one side for one moment. What Erin is saying here is that we're giving massive amounts of cash and budget support every year to developing countries, including those in Africa.

00:45:55.980 And what happens is once someone, an invader, has been through the system and the courts say, OK, this person has to go back, they're not a genuine asylum seeker, as rare as that is, it occasionally happens that the courts will say, OK, there's certainly no pretext here for us to argue that this guy has to go back.

00:46:16.780 the the the the the country of origin in africa will say we don't want we won't accept him we 0.88

00:46:22.860 don't want him because you know he's not going to add anything to our economy you pay for him

00:46:26.200 um so what erin is saying is we actually have leverage here in order to force these countries

00:46:31.760 because we give them a lot of money we actually should use that leverage and make these countries

00:46:37.640 take back their citizens i think i think president trump is actually doing something

00:46:42.940 on the American front

00:46:44.700 on that regard

00:46:45.460 Great, couldn't agree with you more

00:46:48.580 on that one, Aaron

00:46:49.980 Fourth point, moving ahead

00:46:51.980 see if we get all of these in the last five minutes

00:46:54.960 of the show, you said 0.95

00:46:56.240 that Germany needs to have

00:46:58.960 its own transport fleet

00:47:01.260 so it's not reliant

00:47:02.960 on commercial carriers to send

00:47:04.960 people back

00:47:05.680 Yeah, let me maybe

00:47:07.840 summarize

00:47:10.320 the fourth and the fifth point

00:47:12.860 because of the time issue.

00:47:14.440 So the fourth point is that, you know, the newly created agency I mentioned before

00:47:19.620 must command its own air transport fleet for removals

00:47:26.620 rather than begging commercial airlines to cooperate. 0.83

00:47:30.240 So we need a dedicated deportation air fleet created by amending aviation laws

00:47:37.720 so that the federal government can run its own charter operations for return flights, 0.70

00:47:44.020 you know, with crews, schedules and security fully under the authority of the German state.

00:47:49.860 And once you do that, you take the potations out of the hands of private carriers

00:47:55.000 that are vulnerable to activist pressure campaigns.

00:47:59.840 And the fifth one is a pillar which was kind of already implemented

00:48:07.040 which is probably because it's also the weakest pillar.

00:48:10.680 It's that we need biometric exit controls at all borders points

00:48:16.240 to track overstays and issue automatic deportation warrants.

00:48:20.040 If I'm not mistaken here, this was already introduced last year,

00:48:23.980 which was very interesting.

00:48:25.400 So around the same time when my article was published

00:48:29.680 and I started to travel doing international flights,

00:48:33.340 We already had this newly implemented biometric exits in all so-called Schengen exits, which was something new.

00:48:45.320 The entry and exit system, which I think they brought it in from 1st of April or something of this year.

00:48:52.720 It is now taking place.

00:48:54.160 But again, you're ahead of the game on this one, Erin.

00:48:56.960 You came up with the idea in October and now it has been implemented.

00:49:02.480 Finally, the sixth idea, you want an amendment to the Section 95 of the Residence Act, saying that illegals overstaying in Germany ought to be treated as a criminal offence rather than just an administrative offence.

00:49:21.940 absolutely i think that it has a populist flavor to it but i think it's very accurate

00:49:33.920 philosophically as well an illegal presence should really be considered as a criminal offense

00:49:42.120 not merely you know as an administrative violation so what we need to introduce is

00:49:48.800 mandatory minimum sentences of what I propose is six months of imprisonment, because this

00:49:57.160 is a deterrent for illegal aliens, and those who enter or remain illegally must face imprisonment 0.84

00:50:09.640 followed by permanent inadmissibility to Germany and the entire Schengen Zone under this enhanced

00:50:16.880 section of our act there you go folks you have the blueprint there and this is the time it was

00:50:27.780 profit I'll say prophetic it was providential area that you prepared this just sort of six

00:50:33.980 or so months ago because I tell you what folks if if the Greek government is correct and these 1.00

00:50:40.540 550,000 sub-Saharan Africans set sail and try to break in illegally into the southern 1.00

00:50:47.440 flank of continental Europe, there is going to be absolute, there's going to be an anger on behalf 0.98

00:50:54.100 of the people that will, I think, sweep what the press call the far rights to power, executive

00:51:01.800 power. And this is the blueprint to stop just simply the performative theatrics on social media

00:51:08.280 and actually do something fundamental about the problem. 0.52

00:51:12.580 Arian, you are the War Ribs' favourite Arian nationalist.

00:51:17.400 Thank you, as always, for coming on the show and sharing with us your analysis.

00:51:23.040 Great ideas here.

00:51:24.780 I say this in the Hungarian Conservative.

00:51:27.520 Folks, do get the article. We'll put it out.

00:51:30.300 And do have a look at studies it, share it, and forward it on.

00:51:34.060 And I know you are a fellow at the Danube Institute, run by the legendary John O'Sullivan, former speechwriter to Margaret Thatcher.

00:51:46.220 They're doing great work over there at the Danube Institute.

00:51:49.880 Where do people go on social media to keep up with all of your writings and analysis?

00:51:57.080 Arian underscore Germany on X or LinkedIn? 0.62

00:52:00.180 in that's perfect and that's where they and they can get um your article from the hungarian

00:52:06.960 um conservative there as well right absolutely perfect there it is perfect arian thanks thanks

00:52:14.440 as always uh for coming on the show folks i'll just give you the quick number again for birch

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Bannon's War Room - May 15, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 1011： Our Twin Existential Priorities： Stop The INVASION And DEPORT The Invaders

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