Bannon's War Room - May 20, 2026


WarRoom Battleground EP 1014： Primer on the SSPX Traditionalist Catholic bishop consecrations in July


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Ben Harnwell and Frank Walker join me in the ITP studio to talk about the decline of the Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council, and why it s time to ask the question: what happened to the good old days?

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00:00:44.580 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:00:48.020 Wednesday, 20th of May, Anno Domini, 2026.
00:01:00.180 Ben Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's war room.
00:01:04.600 Let's bring in Frank Walker straight away.
00:01:06.380 Frank, good evening to you.
00:01:09.100 Good evening.
00:01:09.520 So last week, folks, you might remember I was on assignment
00:01:13.800 back in my beloved homeland, the UK.
00:01:19.740 I'm back here, though, in the International Bureau studios for the show today.
00:01:24.780 We've got a lot to go through today.
00:01:27.360 First half, I think, of the show, we're going to talk about what's going on.
00:01:32.340 I think it's the big thing this year, the big, big thing for traditional Catholicism,
00:01:38.080 which is the Episcopal Consecrations by the Lefebvreists, the Society of Pope St. Pius X.
00:01:47.020 And why I say that's so big? Well, because it was the original Consecrations back in 1988 by the Archbishop himself
00:01:56.840 that led to the, inverted commas, excommunications under the JP2 regime
00:02:05.160 That really, I think, established in an institutional way the rebellion, the refusal on behalf of part of the hierarchy, whether it's validly consecrated or not, against the Second Vatican Council.
00:02:22.520 Now, there had been holdouts from the 60s onwards, the odd priest here, the odd bishop there, but it was really Archbishop Lefebvre taking forward his seminary and making four bishops without, consecrating four bishops,
00:02:39.760 without the Vatican's approval that really gave Catholics worldwide access, theoretically, to the sacraments as they had always more or less been celebrated.
00:02:57.000 At least, you know, we've got the canon of the mass, the Latin part of the canon of the mass that went back, I think, to the 4th century, unchanged until the vandalism of the Second Vatican Council.
00:03:09.760 which was really hijacked, I think, by modernists.
00:03:14.700 The great tragedy is it was all done.
00:03:17.300 Brunini, who was in charge, Father Brunini,
00:03:20.100 who was in charge of the so-called liturgical reforms,
00:03:23.720 he hoodwinked the then Pope, Paul VI,
00:03:28.560 by saying this is what we need to do
00:03:30.200 in order to have a greater rapprochement,
00:03:35.220 reunification with the Protestants,
00:03:37.680 which in and of itself is a worthy thing right but that wasn't what Benigni's intention was at all
00:03:47.600 it wasn't to bring the Catholics back with the reformed Catholics of Luther and the Reformation
00:03:55.240 onwards to bring them back into communion that wasn't it was that was the pretext what these 0.74
00:04:01.240 guys because they're all Freemasons right Frank what they really wanted to do was just destroy
00:04:05.300 everything that was Catholic in the Catholic Church and use reunification
00:04:10.480 with Protestants as the pretext within the Catholic hierarchy in order to
00:04:16.220 bulldoze that through. They had no intention of bringing the 0.97
00:04:20.660 Protestants in. That was already taking place in the 1950s, which is the
00:04:28.260 golden age of the Catholic Church, certainly in the United States. This is 0.87
00:04:32.040 the high point of Fulton Sheen, for those of a certain age, a certain generation, they'll
00:04:38.320 remember the 50s. The Catholic Church, with Bing Crosby, the Bells of St Mary's, and all
00:04:43.780 the rest of it, there were so many Protestants converting to the Catholic Church in the 50s,
00:04:53.100 the demographers, Frank Walker, said if this rate goes on within 100 years, there won't
00:04:57.600 be any Protestants left. The churches were being built, seminaries were being built,
00:05:02.040 convents and monasteries were being built. It was an absolute explosion.
00:05:06.080 And then between 62 and 65, they called the Second Vatican Council demolished
00:05:10.220 and vandalized everything that was Catholic about the Catholic Church
00:05:13.960 in the ostensible cause of reunification
00:05:18.560 with Protestants. And really, you look at all
00:05:22.180 the graphs. It was growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, 1962
00:05:25.380 to 65, and then decline, decline, decline. That's when they started closing
00:05:29.980 the monasteries closing the seminaries closing the convents um and we've uh but the but the one
00:05:38.080 flourishing and all the statistics and all the metrics the one thing that has absolutely been
00:05:43.480 flourishing in the catholic church uh since then since the the the only thing i think since the
00:05:51.640 second vatican council which has been an um an unarguable success is the traditionist movement
00:05:58.400 Those Catholics who never agreed to what was done by the bishops, by the cardinals, by the popes, they continued for many years going to masses in garages, right, in the States because they were locked out of all the churches.
00:06:15.780 These were the real heroic days, the days of heroic witness, when people would drive like for an hour or two with their 10 kids in the car, just able to have, to hear the old, the traditional Latin mass.
00:06:32.780 And out of that, I think Archbishop Lefebvre was able, which is really a French movement, was able to build on that requisite infrastructure across the West to give us the traditional church as it is today.
00:06:52.720 And here it is, Frank Walker, because of those four bishops, I think there are now only two left, two died, which meant that the society of Pope St. Pius X, the Lefebbrists, known as the SSPX colloquially, they had a decision to make.
00:07:11.240 Are they going to continue on the unicorn hunt of getting Rome to renounce its modernism and return to tradition?
00:07:25.200 Or are they going to make provision for the future?
00:07:27.860 And I say this as an introduction.
00:07:30.500 Most Catholics, I think, will be more or less aware of what the skeleton of the argument is.
00:07:34.800 But for evangelicals, it might seem slightly esoteric.
00:07:38.360 But in the Catholic Church, you have this concept of apostolic succession.
00:07:43.700 And there's every bishop in the Catholic Church today would have been consecrated,
00:07:47.580 would have had the imposition of hands at the consecration when they're raised, if you will, from being a priest to being a bishop.
00:07:56.580 And the bishop who puts his hands on the priest to consecrate him, also a bishop.
00:08:03.280 That bishop in his turn will have been consecrated by a bishop, who in his turn will be consecrated by a bishop.
00:08:10.240 And the laying of hands on hands on hands is an uninterrupted, continuous chain that goes back to the apostles.
00:08:18.320 That is apostolic succession.
00:08:21.180 And in Catholic theology, I say this to our largely evangelical audience, in Catholic theology,
00:08:26.940 um it's it's the it's a bishop the consecrated bishop who will ordain a man a priest so a bishop
00:08:34.740 ordains a priest um and a bishop consecrates a priest into being another bishop and then the
00:08:44.220 cardinals on top of that are the the um the helpers the assistants of um that's not that's
00:08:51.780 not a sacrament of the pope in rome and then you have the pope who is the the successor to
00:08:56.180 saint peter that's that's how catholics see the things so frank walker just to give that
00:09:01.420 explanation because i know we talk a lot in in inside baseball terms here but just to give that
00:09:07.900 background what is therefore why i say what is happening in july is is the big event in traditional
00:09:13.820 catholicism of the year is because the the sspx have realized that they're not going to get
00:09:20.780 anywhere with their dialogue with rome rome's not going to recant its modernism and in order to
00:09:26.300 provide provision for the future ordination of priests they need new bishops and therefore they
00:09:32.000 are consecrating i think four is it five um bishops in the first week of july i think it's
00:09:39.020 supposed to be four they haven't released the names of them yet but uh many people out there
00:09:44.100 say there should be a lot more i don't know why it needs to be a lot more that this four will be a
00:09:48.980 a step in and of itself.
00:09:51.300 You know, as you were mentioning about the laying of the hands,
00:09:54.140 when that happens, when you have apostolic succession
00:09:56.560 and a bishop is ordained, he is a real bishop.
00:09:59.920 Just because the pope may not want that to happen,
00:10:05.780 may disagree with, you know, legally what happened,
00:10:10.400 there's a reality that's passed on there
00:10:12.640 so that every priest that is made a priest by that bishop
00:10:15.700 is able to give you the sacraments,
00:10:18.580 is able to turn the bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, the soul and divinity,
00:10:24.560 which Catholics believe and have your sins forgiven through confession. All that depends
00:10:28.960 on what you just discussed. And all that will still happen. Even in this situation,
00:10:35.600 the SSPX has announced that they're going to do this specific thing. They always work from
00:10:40.860 the idea of necessity. And we absolutely have to be able to give these things to people for
00:10:46.100 the sake of their souls. This is an emergency. That's the way they've been all along. And that's
00:10:51.520 why in 1988, they made their own bishops. And so Cardinal Kissy, which is really quite ridiculous 0.70
00:10:57.000 because this cardinal is a clown and he's a very floaty, effeminate guy who's published all sorts 0.99
00:11:06.560 of pornographic books and things. He's the one that's going to say that you are excommunicated 0.99
00:11:13.040 if you do this. If you make these bishops, which we told you don't do, then you're excommunicated.
00:11:19.020 And they mentioned John Paul II, who did excommunicate them on the terms of schism.
00:11:24.820 It wasn't really a schism, because the schism says, I don't believe in the Pope. I don't believe
00:11:29.960 in the Church doctrine. I don't believe in these things. It's not these kinds of small disagreements.
00:11:35.520 But anyway, you're automatically excommunicated, Cardinal Fernandez says, and the Pope is asking
00:11:41.900 the Holy Spirit. They don't ask Jesus so much. They ask the Holy Spirit all the time to pray for
00:11:46.400 you that you'll change your mind. That's the story. And they're going to go forward with it.
00:11:51.620 And they say, because we have no choice. And they responded in this. And they've said, you know,
00:11:57.440 we want to be part of the body of Christ. We want to be united to Rome. But in order to be
00:12:05.480 united to the church, you have to have the faith. And if you don't have a faith, you're not part
00:12:11.880 of the church that's the way catholicism is that's why it's been so critical and and jesus said to
00:12:17.400 peter on this rock i will build my faith the popes have always had faith until for some weird reason
00:12:23.560 in 2013 we got popes who who were not catholic they were sort of anti-catholic and they don't
00:12:28.760 formally profess the faith so they say how can we be united when we don't share the faith and then
00:12:33.880 they go through and they've listed back to cardinal fernandez the sspx why you know mary is the soul
00:12:39.960 Mary helps mediate graces through God. We would be schismatic if we disagreed. You have to be a
00:12:49.100 member of the church in order to go to heaven. You may not agree with that, but that's what the
00:12:57.080 church teaches. Otherwise, why do we have the church? We need to be united to the church to
00:13:01.760 go to heaven. We need God to be—that's what God has said to us. That's a Catholic teaching
00:13:05.960 that they believe in. And so they can't be united to something that's not Catholic.
00:13:12.520 They say that the church has a unique form of worship. It has a mass that is Catholic.
00:13:21.300 And that's another thing that they've always believed. And the new mass is not Catholic,
00:13:26.520 they believe. And the new mass was never abrogated, as Benedict said. And we believe in the moral law.
00:13:32.200 you can't have, you can't be immoral. You can't have sins of impurity and say that God welcomes
00:13:37.540 them. Like all of this pro-gay stuff that's been happening. So they've listed every reason that 1.00
00:13:42.360 they rejected. And you're right. They started from, I mean, just 20 years ago, I looked at the
00:13:46.980 SSPX. I looked them up and I'm like, well, they're in a storage unit. I can't go to mass in a storage
00:13:51.440 unit. Something's got to be wrong. Now they have like nine churches in my state, you know, so they
00:13:56.840 have really grown and they've really gained legitimacy. My question is now that I wonder,
00:14:01.960 where will they go from here what kind of support will they get that's that's that's my question
00:14:08.640 it's so many things that you've said that you know literally could spend the rest of the show
00:14:14.440 um just just picking through and digesting everything that you just said that in your
00:14:19.560 analysis um let's start off with this because you you you intimated it and i want to break this down
00:14:27.340 for our audience what the difference is between validly ordained stroke
00:14:33.280 consecrated and illicitly because these these two concepts are pretty crucial
00:14:38.460 here and this is to do with effectively delegated or presumed consent from from
00:14:46.660 the from from the Pope and that is if if a priest is consecrated as a bishop
00:14:55.380 without the permission or the delegated permission of the Pope that is a valid
00:15:04.700 if all the other things if the if the if the sacrament is confected performed
00:15:12.260 correctly then that will be a valid consecration but it will be illicit I
00:15:19.760 think that's the difference Frank right that's what the canonists would say
00:15:23.100 valid it's a valid consecration that the church recognizes that these are validly consecrated
00:15:29.780 bishops but they are illicitly consecrated i think it's the same thing for ordination
00:15:34.260 if a guy is ordained as a priest um if he's done without the consent approval delegated approval
00:15:43.080 um by the by the pope it's a valid ordination but illicit and there are some consequences on that i
00:15:50.300 think to do with faculties you know when it comes to um uh hearing confession and all the rest of
00:15:56.860 but that would be too much to dig i dig in go into to the weeds on this the point is is that
00:16:04.140 the bishops uh these bishops the consecration started taking place in july as took place um
00:16:11.400 in uh 1988 those were valid consecrations but illicit and you know there there is an issue
00:16:20.080 here whether this is a seismatic act i mean you say it's not i i my in my default position is that
00:16:28.460 it is a seismatic act uh but so what i don't care um because at the moment because you know i
00:16:35.240 fundamentally think it's more important to have access to to sacraments that are undeniably valid
00:16:42.160 sort of validly confected masses and where the traditional catholic faith uh is being taught
00:16:51.420 than whether it's a formally schismatic act from an institution which in itself is anti-catholic
00:16:59.360 um you know i think that's a just i think that's a prudential call right whether you think um and
00:17:04.780 And here's the thing, right? This is why you said so many things in your analysis that are worth dealing with. Here's one thing, again, that you intimated it but didn't go into it, which is this is where Trad Inc. comes into play.
00:17:22.180 Because I say it's like a prudential issue. I think it's more important to have the security of validly consecrated priests to ensure the provision of the traditional unchanging Catholic faith than it is to be in communion with an anti-Catholic Rome.
00:17:42.620 And this is where you see, this is where it's like lifting the slab up on top of Trad Inc and looking at all the creepy crawlies that are lurking in the darkness beneath it, in the grime, in the damp beneath it.
00:17:55.300 Because that is pretty illustrative of the condition of Trad Inc.
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00:18:04.200 That's their mantra, Frank Walker, right?
00:18:07.200 It's all about the grift.
00:18:08.980 When it comes to the grift, these people are choir boys when it comes to the public appearance of the traditional Catholic faith.
00:18:20.200 But they're the first in the line to come out and put out on social media that the SSPX ought not go ahead with the consecrations,
00:18:27.700 but they should still continue.
00:18:29.480 What must they do with Pope Leo Frank?
00:18:32.320 They must give Leo time.
00:18:34.300 Don't bounce him into this.
00:18:35.560 that's where their loyalty is
00:18:40.300 that's their loyalty yeah
00:18:42.120 not to the faith
00:18:44.920 but to Leo
00:18:46.780 it's to the grift
00:18:48.700 it's to the grift
00:18:50.020 that's where their loyalty is to the grift
00:18:52.380 it's just for appearances
00:18:54.180 and the bishops have the same loyalty
00:18:56.800 you could say that too
00:18:58.580 I always think of them as like a neocon church
00:19:00.840 but I want your listeners 1.00
00:19:02.860 to know that when the SSPS
00:19:04.500 did this 88 years ago, a couple of years later, that excommunication was lifted that was put on
00:19:09.480 the bishops. And Francis, for all of his faults, he was very supportive of the SSBX, legitimizing
00:19:16.800 their sacraments in a way that, you know, I don't know if you could say Francis did that, but he was 0.79
00:19:22.100 supportive. I sat around with them and they were grateful for the support. So all of this time,
00:19:26.940 they have been really a part of the church, even though enemies will say that they haven't.
00:19:30.820 and they were even you know legitimized in many ways and and i who knows what will happen now
00:19:36.000 because they preserved a lot of things that are here now because they took a leap of faith
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00:22:41.660 Frank Walker, Bergoglio, better known by his stage name Pope Francis, of unhappy memory.
00:22:52.020 Strangely enough, as you say, a guy who had an absolute visceral hatred to anything Catholic, including Catholics, strangely enough, was the most open to the SSPX.
00:23:13.060 Now, let me throw this at you, and you tell me why you think this is, because everyone, every commentator tries to explain why that might be. I'll just say, because unlike Ratzinger, or even JP too, Bergoglio wasn't really interested in theology, and certainly wasn't particularly ideologically interested in the Second Vatican Council.
00:23:36.000 Though he, as a modernist, he was definitely in the camp of the modernists, it just wasn't something that rose his boat, if you will.
00:23:44.620 The Vatican II documents, I don't think he ever read them, don't think he's remotely interested in them.
00:23:49.140 So if you had the SSPX that reject them, the Bergoglio wasn't neither here nor there.
00:23:55.360 That's my reading on it, that's why he gave them back faculties, I think, to hear confession.
00:24:00.700 something that trad inc's favorite pope pope benedict the 16th never did um though as you
00:24:08.420 said i think back in 2010 he did lift the uh the excommunications um what just give me just before
00:24:15.600 we head into the commercial break in a couple minutes tell me what your reading is why how do
00:24:19.940 you square this off that the most um the the pope who hated catholicism the most was the most open
00:24:28.960 to the traditionalists what was what was your explanation for that well what they say was
00:24:36.040 because he had a friendly relationship with them in argentina and argentina is where the current
00:24:41.200 leader of the sspx is from now and you know the big trick that that people don't talk about but
00:24:47.780 maybe the the leader now who has helped select these new bishops maybe these guys are like
00:24:53.040 ringers maybe they have sound like good guys but they're little they're plants and down the road
00:24:58.820 They'll blow up the SSPX.
00:25:00.880 That's possible.
00:25:01.940 Doesn't sound like that's going to happen.
00:25:03.680 But, you know, remember Francis also gave us this thing called Truditiones Custodis, which severely limited the Latin masses all over the world. 0.57
00:25:12.680 So he did work against them.
00:25:14.000 He just, since the SSPX were sort of beyond his reach, you know, it didn't apply to them.
00:25:19.140 But Leo has only taken what Francis gave him and made it even worse.
00:25:24.720 The fact that one SSBX bishop fell down the stairs and died, and now they only have two and they can't continue, that's happened now.
00:25:32.640 Only now that they've had to go to Leo and do something about it.
00:25:36.400 They've always said that they thought that Leo and Francis were valid, even though they're not Catholic.
00:25:41.080 So they've always been, in their own way, supportive of the two of them.
00:25:45.480 I don't know why. Maybe they had something on Francis.
00:25:48.740 It's an enigma. Why did Francis support them?
00:25:51.120 I don't know. A lot of people have guessed. But when I was there that night sitting with these SSPX priests and they were talking about how supportive he'd been.
00:26:00.580 And I was just as shocked as anybody else. I was amazed to hear it coming from them.
00:26:04.860 But especially from Latin America, that's what they hear down there. That's what happened.
00:26:10.700 You mentioned the SSPX that have recognized the most recent popes as popes.
00:26:16.840 Lefebvre himself, back in the 70s, flitted in and out of saying he couldn't quite decide whether Paul VI was a Pope or an anti-Pope.
00:26:30.580 And he would swing between these two positions, which is why he was never definitive.
00:26:37.880 He never ruled and said, fellated, he kicked the set of accountists out.
00:26:43.120 But Lefebvre himself basically said the SSPX is agnostic on the said of Vecantus question.
00:26:50.040 Frank Walker, stand by. We're back in two minutes after this short commercial break.
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00:31:53.980 Welcome back, Frank Walker.
00:31:55.520 We are going to discuss other developments
00:31:58.100 on the show today but this thing is there's so many different things to say about these
00:32:02.560 consecrations you mentioned just before the break about tradiciones tradiciones custodes
00:32:08.220 which was the um the removal of the ability which the liberation which which benedict the 16th
00:32:16.100 widens said all priests any priests if they have a stable community they can celebrate the the
00:32:21.360 traditional latin mass the old mass they don't need any permissions from bishops or anything
00:32:25.860 like that. Benedict gave wide dispensation to all priests. And then Francis reined that
00:32:32.800 back in and squashed all over that. And you said that there's a tension, a contradiction
00:32:38.860 really between that. On the one hand, the SSPX, who don't fall in within the obedience
00:32:45.040 structure of the institutional Catholic Church, those were basically given permission again
00:32:53.780 to um to to hear confession um
00:32:58.620 but the priests and bishops um inside his obedience tent to call it like that
00:33:11.240 uh they were no longer allowed to celebrate the old mass and there is an unusual that that sort
00:33:17.240 of shows the the fact that everything that comes out of rome these days since the second vatican
00:33:22.560 hasn't been based on any point of principle but it's simply a power play you you are those who
00:33:29.440 are directly under obedience to you this is why did they're all psychopaths in the the the most 0.83
00:33:35.520 i would say 99 of catholic bishops are absolute passive aggressive psychopaths um but this is
00:33:42.880 their gameplay right to those who are who are under their uh their hierarchy of of obedience 0.68
00:33:50.320 so those who basically take vows of obedience as well the whole catholic church structure
00:33:55.200 is based on vows of obedience let's not forget that um that's crucial to understand because i
00:34:01.920 think it's been massively massively massively abused that um but that's an argument for another
00:34:07.360 day those who are inside the obedience superstructure of the institutional catholic church
00:34:12.400 those people are get the full um the full psychological torture those who are outside
00:34:19.840 with this system get the open arms oh you know uh we're all brothers sort of thing and that's
00:34:28.080 nowhere more to be seen than look at the split screen schizophrenia of of modern rome so on one
00:34:38.080 hand like a couple of weeks ago they get the um the arch layman of canterbury in sarah dulali or
00:34:46.640 whatever her name is open arms open arms let's have let's have prayers together look at look
00:34:52.880 leo what what what unites us is greater than what divides us and all the humbug you know all the
00:34:58.480 cliches all the platitudes you know church of england now you can have the argument whether
00:35:03.680 those consecrated whether their bishops are validly consecrated or not and the leo the 13th
00:35:09.360 absolutely unutterly void. No, they're not. But the Catholic Church today, in all the false
00:35:17.000 charity that it's capable of showing, doesn't tell the Anglicans, we don't recognise 0.92
00:35:24.320 your Episcopal consecrations, we think they're invalid, you're basically all just a bunch
00:35:29.380 of laymen. They don't say that, they give them their bishops, they don't say the Archlayman
00:35:34.260 of canterbury came came to rome to see the pope they say the archbishop of canterbury came to
00:35:39.620 rome they use these titles um so let's just assume that the titles are genuine of course though you
00:35:46.100 and i and the those who know what the catholic church teaches knows actually that's not true
00:35:53.620 the argument is is that you know the church of england does its episcopal consecrations without
00:35:59.140 any reference to Rome, and yet they all come over to Rome, they all schlep over to Rome
00:36:03.760 for the photo op with the Pope, and it's all open-armed greetings and hugs and air kisses.
00:36:10.360 The SSPX, right, which really is far closer in the substance of the faith than the Anglicans,
00:36:20.820 these, you know, they get the, they get the you're going to be excommunicated shtick from
00:36:27.660 kissy fernandez uh can you can you explain that to me that am i right frank walker when i say
00:36:34.840 since the second vatican council everything in the catholic church is a power play and there's
00:36:40.780 no actual principle involved am i right when i say that am i just being cynical no i don't think
00:36:46.820 you're being cynical about it at all i think that that's why it was essential to have a pope who is
00:36:52.240 Catholic, and a pope who is Catholic would not, because he rules everything. It's not a democracy.
00:36:58.580 And so it flows down from this thing that Jesus gave us, the reliability of a Catholic pope,
00:37:05.900 you know, and so everything falls apart. And I've heard many times how it's a sense,
00:37:10.340 because of the way that power is the only thing that matters in this, it's sort of an anti-church,
00:37:16.180 powers of everything that matters. The SSPX is resistance, you know, resistance. You know,
00:37:21.420 they, you know, Francis said that their confession, when they hear confession,
00:37:27.720 it was legal, but it was already valid. It's just licit by the Pope, you know. There's,
00:37:33.600 you know, the mass, to say this new mass that we all say, no, that's not necessarily,
00:37:38.580 you know, that's, that may be valid, but that's not licit, that's condemned. That's been condemned
00:37:44.620 by the other popes. A lot of things that happen are condemned. And the SSPX, you know, Leo is
00:37:50.760 all about scandal. Like you said, with the Anglican church, they should warn the Anglican church.
00:37:55.360 That's the only point of a church is souls. That's the supreme law of the church are that souls can
00:38:02.400 get to heaven. And all that the Leo church, the power hungry Leo church, all they do is they make 1.00
00:38:10.080 it so that souls don't go to heaven. They give scandal. And the SSB Act is saying, 0.95
00:38:13.900 we have to care about the people in our care. Those priests have given their lives for the
00:38:20.520 sake of these souls. And they're going to warn those Catholic souls about what it takes to go 0.84
00:38:27.120 to heaven and what will make it so that you don't get to heaven. Nothing since Vatican II 0.90
00:38:32.220 ever discusses that. Nobody ever, you know, heaven, if heaven just happens, if heaven is just
00:38:39.140 God's, you know, niceness, or we can't presume upon God's will, that's not what the Catholic
00:38:45.100 Church teaches. The Catholic Church teaches, no, God has been clear about what His will is.
00:38:50.620 If you're going to presume that you can flout His laws and you can flout God's will,
00:38:56.920 maybe God will do something that He didn't say He was going to do. Yes, He can do whatever He wants,
00:39:02.080 But what they do in Leo's church since Vatican II is very destructive to souls.
00:39:10.220 Souls, like Our Lady said at Fatima, are falling like leaves all over the place.
00:39:14.740 And that's why the Vatican is taking what they call, I mean, the SSPX, what they call emergency measures.
00:39:20.080 And if it weren't for them doing this in the first place, then they would never apply the pressure because only power pressure is the only thing that works.
00:39:27.460 Compliance never works.
00:39:28.760 because you're dealing with organizations
00:39:31.000 that's subservient to the world.
00:39:32.840 There are more powerful people above Pope Leo
00:39:35.540 that are not Catholic, that don't care about the church.
00:39:38.020 They're the ones making the decisions, you know?
00:39:40.520 So unless you resist, truly resist on Catholic grounds,
00:39:45.080 you're never going to have any effect on the church at all.
00:39:50.180 There.
00:39:54.080 I don't know where you got into the question.
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00:40:07.940 the bishops now because if the bishops aren't you know what did you say that isn't isn't that
00:40:12.760 isn't that the start the first canon in or is it the end the end canon of the church the the code
00:40:19.900 of canon law that the supreme law of the church is the salvation of souls that that you said that
00:40:24.560 That is the point of the Catholic Church.
00:40:27.600 But they don't care about the salvation of souls.
00:40:31.000 And that's why, as you point out, the bishops never talk about it.
00:40:34.480 Frank Walker, what do the bishops talk about these days?
00:40:39.180 Before we go to the shout out to one of our sponsors,
00:40:43.500 tell me something that the U.S. Catholic bishops are talking about at the moment.
00:40:49.420 It's not the salvation of souls.
00:40:50.780 Well, they care about money, and they get money from Democrat policy, because the church that's—the big, larger church is really just sort of an agent on behalf of the left, and that's what they are.
00:41:03.200 The bishops are, again, asking the Congress to approve a budget that isn't so heavy on enforcement of immigration law.
00:41:13.220 There's just too much of that.
00:41:14.260 What they need is more pastoral needs.
00:41:17.340 They need their fundamental rights.
00:41:23.200 They need reasonable conditions in their prisons, all these amorphous things that just really mean the bishops getting what they want, being able to come and go inside detention centers the way they want.
00:41:33.440 What they really want is they don't want any ice going anywhere near anything that they can call a Catholic property because they want to make those Catholic properties into huge, big kingdoms of illegal aliens that nobody can touch without getting a lot of political hot water.
00:41:49.820 This is what they do in other countries. 0.58
00:41:51.320 You know, there's a war, and this is really a war, this illegal flood.
00:41:55.120 In other countries, they have all of the bad guys.
00:41:58.020 It's an invasion. 0.89
00:41:59.340 And they take all the bad guys and they put them on church property.
00:42:02.940 The church has a lot of property and they have plenty of cash, you know, so and there's a lot of money that fight against this that they want that they want their ice nowhere near anything that has to do with the church.
00:42:14.760 It's important. But most of all, they don't want all this one sided money just for enforcement.
00:42:19.280 You know, 54 people have died in custody and that's as many as last four years.
00:42:24.120 But the last four years, there wasn't anybody in custody.
00:42:26.380 So what difference does it make?
00:42:28.060 You know, their arguments are always very, very, very thin.
00:42:31.460 and they're just floating them again looking for a budget yeah it's just like trad ink it's all
00:42:37.600 about the grift it's all about the money the um so the u.s catholic bishops don't talk about
00:42:43.360 salvation of souls is what you said because heaven's just god god's niceness right may
00:42:48.760 happen may not it's all just god as you said they're not interested really in preparing souls
00:42:53.380 for salvation what they what what they're interested in is the grift here here on earth
00:42:57.960 And therefore, there was a letter, this is what you're referring to, the letter signed by the Archbishop of Oklahoma City, Paul Coakley, who is the president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, and Bishop Brendan Carhill, who's the chair of the US CCB Committee on Migration.
00:43:22.400 They wrote a joint letter. This is where they're basically trying to lobby the US administration on the budget on immigration.
00:43:31.200 Here's what they say. Stop me when I get to their part about the salvation of souls.
00:43:40.420 I say that because you won't be stopping me.
00:43:42.320 Enforcement of immigration laws cannot truly advance the common good without reasonable conditions that ensure respect for the God-given dignity of each person, inherent in which is the exercise of certain fundamental rights.
00:43:59.060 That's basically gobbledygook. It's the veneer of Catholic theology. What they want are continuing access to the hundreds of billions of US taxpayer dollars per year to subsidize and sponsor the invasion. That's what it's about. 0.71
00:44:20.920 But also the moral law, they say that in the two.
00:44:24.720 And, you know, you mentioned on your show that Rubio going to meet the pope, that looked like a bit of a betrayal of the administration because, you know, it was a conflicting message.
00:44:35.980 Well, there's $100 million targeted at the Catholic Church on behalf of Cuba that's not supposed to have the Cuban government involved.
00:44:45.020 And a lot of people have been very excited about that.
00:44:47.980 And a lot of cardinals, Cardinal Cerny, Archbishop Wenske of Miami, the Pope himself met with a group of one of these Catholic organizations that's going to be spending this $100 billion.
00:45:03.500 You know, even the Trump White House is ready to pay off the Catholic Church to give them those holy dollars for human dignity and the moral law.
00:45:14.320 Well, I don't know where a lot of money is going to go, but it isn't like things are changing in the new church.
00:45:19.360 I just think it's interesting that maybe, you know, politically, I don't know what that means.
00:45:24.500 I don't know if you've noticed that or if you've read about that $100 million, but that's a new kind of grift, a Trump-era grift.
00:45:33.480 And Marco Rubio is—and at the same time, the bishops are still attacking Trump anyway.
00:45:39.600 because trump created the necessity for them to have to give that 100 million dollars to the
00:45:44.400 catholic church and also they can you know do the holy holy human dignity at cuba you know
00:45:50.360 it's not like he's getting any political benefit from that money he never does let's be honest
00:45:55.820 let's be honest the institutional catholic church which is not the mystical body of jesus christ
00:46:00.780 the institutional catholic church as in all these apostate hiling shepherd stroke bishop
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00:49:39.240 Let's just quickly talk about, folks might have heard about the Tommy Robinson march in London.
00:49:47.160 I know we covered it quite heavily on the war room.
00:49:50.460 In fact, the footage coming out from London as the millions of people were marching was being blocked by satellite.
00:49:57.280 People couldn't record it with their phones and upload it
00:49:59.480 because there were so many people there in the capital, in London,
00:50:04.720 trying, you know, when so many mobile phones in the same area,
00:50:08.020 the whole thing freezes.
00:50:09.380 Huge success.
00:50:11.220 And Tommy Robinson, before this, did something very interesting.
00:50:16.820 And I gather he converted in one of his,
00:50:19.440 when he was a political prisoner in prison in the UK,
00:50:24.460 he converted to Christianity.
00:50:25.620 He did something very interesting. Frank, just give me 30 seconds. What did he do before the Unite the Kingdom march? What did he post onto Twitter?
00:50:36.080 I don't know what he posted. I haven't been following it as much, but I did see something yesterday that was related to it definitely because I saw a woman crying her head off because I think she was in either Sweden or she was in the Netherlands because they had plunked down a facility for only male migrants right in her neighborhood.
00:50:55.620 And there was a protest, small protest of people in their neighborhood, and they were all scanned, and they were told that, and she was just sort of there with a friend, told that she was possibly going to have her children removed for having been there at that protest.
00:51:10.320 And she was just like, I wasn't really protesting, and I don't get to protest again, just leave me alone.
00:51:16.680 she's caught between dangerous men and and and a life of that and and and the government and
00:51:24.200 that's why they're having the streets of london are filled with people robinson it's it's satanic
00:51:31.900 they threatened to take they threatened to take a woman's kids away from her because she was present
00:51:37.680 at tommy robinson's valley it's satanic and what did tommy i'll tell you i'll tell you what he did
00:51:42.880 He posted to X that our Father, the Lord's Prayer, that's what he did, because the resurrection of the United Kingdom will only take place through full, sincere, committed faith in Jesus Christ.
00:51:59.180 Tommy Robinson knows that, and he's not ashamed to say it, and that's the only hope that Great Britain has these days.
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