Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 1025： A Henry Nowak Special — WarRoom Looks Into What Lessons Can Be Learnt From This Appalling Tragedy

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

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00:00:12.940 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

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00:00:28.800 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.680 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.440 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.760 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:00:48.000 Friday 5th of June, Anno Domini, 2026.

00:00:59.600 Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's war room.

00:01:03.640 Good evening.

00:01:04.900 Special show today for you.

00:01:07.020 In fact, it's a Henry Novak special.

00:01:09.040 I think the world's media has been lit up by the sentencing this past week

00:01:14.120 of the murder, effectively, of this 18-year-old student

00:01:20.720 in the south of England.

00:01:23.880 And I've got two of my favourite commentators

00:01:26.300 to walk me through this, Bradley Thayer and Joseph Robertson.

00:01:31.500 Joseph, we'll start with you as the Brit in the UK.

00:01:37.760 This is a pretty astonishing...

00:01:40.640 I think the whole thing about this tragedy is astonishing, but the facts were widely known.

00:01:47.500 The murder, I think, took place in December 2025.

00:01:52.380 It's the sentence, it's the sentencing, the trial and the sentencing that's taken place now.

00:01:57.660 specifically in terms of social media it's been the release of the pre-police footage

00:02:05.040 um that has really i think captured the anger latent in the british population right now

00:02:13.040 lots of talk about the two-tier policing um tell me if you will what are the bare bones

00:02:18.880 of this case and what is the sentiment like in the uk right now well look first of all to put

00:02:27.860 this into context ben i think we need to go back six years to the murder of george floyd and

00:02:32.380 remember exactly what was happening specifically in the uk at that time let's forget the us we

00:02:36.800 know what happened there but all the way through lockdown the only um large-scale protests in some

00:02:43.280 cases riots that seem to be permitted were for the black lives matter movement fast forward six

00:02:49.700 years and we have a case which is far worse in my opinion far far worse regardless of what anyone

00:02:55.700 thought of that incident and which side they fell this was a completely unprovoked stabbing

00:03:01.300 it was in part i think racially motivated it was a uh sikh gentleman who was carrying a large

00:03:10.020 ceremonial knife or dagger as is permitted under british law foreseeks to do for religious purposes

00:03:16.580 who stabbed a defenseless young man in the back multiple times not just once until he ran away

00:03:24.820 eventually and managed to get away from the knife man and after having succumbed to his wounds fell

00:03:30.640 in front of the door of somebody's house upon the police's arrival we can hear from that awful

00:03:37.980 gruelling body camera footage of uh young henry novak saying that he had been stabbed and of the

00:03:45.380 police officer saying very callously i don't think you have mate upon which he was arrested and his

00:03:51.800 final words were i can't breathe where have we heard that before um so look the feeling right

00:03:58.760 now is is to echo the words of nigel farage uh pure cold rage um yeah he did he did say that

00:04:07.740 was the perfectly appropriate response from the british public to this you mentioned george

00:04:13.240 floyd that's exactly why we have dr thayer waiting in the wings he's going to come in

00:04:17.700 um and draw the parallels between the parallels and of course differences between these two cases

00:04:24.300 big difference i think in terms of how the respective establishments in either country

00:04:30.720 handled the situation and what came out of that in fact towards the end of the show i'm going to ask

00:04:35.800 both of you for your um for what you would like to see not just performative inquiries what you

00:04:42.760 would actually like to see in terms of substantial change so as horrific as this loss of life is

00:04:50.940 um something might come out of it and primarily that this never happens again i have my own ideas

00:04:58.420 we'll go to dr thay just a moment but seeing as you mentioned the footage let's take a look at it

00:05:03.520 before we roll the tape one quick alert to people this is gruesome and yeah

00:05:11.900 basically every network that's run this has put the disclaimer before and it's

00:05:15.760 like it is improved it is appropriate it is one of the most harrowing pieces of

00:05:21.820 footage you will see so caution is advised I'm giving you time now perhaps

00:05:28.780 just to put it on pause kill the sound wait for it to go and then resume if

00:05:34.120 that's what you want if you've got kids in the in the in the room gently

00:05:39.780 shuffle shuffle them out of the room and these are images that will stay with you

00:05:44.340 Okay, Denver, if you wouldn't mind, please, play the footage.

00:06:01.340 He keeps dropping side to side, so I'm just trying to keep him set up.

00:06:05.340 He's got a man full of blood, I don't want him...

00:06:09.340 He's jumped over these fences and stuff like that.

00:06:12.340 And he's up here. He's obviously fallen from there and slipped from there.

00:06:16.660 There's other shoes left over there, mate.

00:06:18.420 What's your name, mate?

00:06:19.460 Up here.

00:06:20.220 Huh?

00:06:23.540 Has anyone been hurt other than him?

00:06:25.220 Yeah, me.

00:06:26.220 He's grabbed my brother. He's took my turban off, so I grabbed him my head.

00:06:29.300 Are you injured?

00:06:30.140 Yeah, yeah, I've got swollen eyes, little bruises.

00:06:32.460 All right, just step back a little bit for me.

00:06:34.420 Someone flagged these down.

00:06:39.420 All right, let's get you out of there, shall we?

00:06:41.340 I was in bed to sleep, and if we just find that there's someone attached to it.

00:06:47.340 Grab his other arm.

00:06:53.340 What's happened to you, right?

00:06:55.340 You've been stabbed.

00:06:57.340 You've been stabbed? Whereabouts?

00:06:59.340 I don't think you have, mate.

00:07:07.340 Hand.

00:07:11.340 Put the hand in the cuff, mate.

00:07:25.340 You're into foot.

00:07:32.340 I'm saying he's been stabbed, so let's just check him.

00:07:34.340 Where do you think you've been stabbed? In the face?

00:07:37.340 Oh no, but we have to check, don't we?

00:07:39.340 in the face just get these back off get their details on that and I'll keep

00:07:45.480 hold of them keep you on your side mate better read reef then same time

00:07:55.660 keeping them on this side we were sat up when we had him here but he didn't like

00:08:00.160 it what's your name mate by the moment you are under arrest that's for assault

00:08:06.940 so you do not have to say anything, may harm my defence if you do not mention when questioned

00:08:10.180 so I'll switch you later in line of court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence, alright?

00:08:13.940 He's going to be sick I think.

00:08:27.940 They just want you to call it.

00:08:29.940 yeah um we've got this male he's just been beat up um are we able to get an ambulance

00:08:37.680 his pupils aren't even reacting

00:08:42.460 yeah

00:08:45.040 well by all accounts emily novak was alive

00:08:54.260 well we could see he was alive at the beginning of that footage by all accounts he was dead

00:08:59.760 by the end of it we were watching there someone dying in real time um so many things to say on

00:09:08.920 this incident um let's go to dr thayer um who's just gonna give a parallel a potted parallel

00:09:16.960 between this and george floyd the iconic i can't breathe uh last words as joseph mentioned earlier

00:09:27.460 By the way, as Henry's father said from the steps of the court after sentencing, he said, I can't breathe.

00:09:36.420 He said his son had said, I can't breathe nine times.

00:09:40.120 That was seen in that footage.

00:09:42.800 And he said, I've been stabbed four times.

00:09:46.180 The gentleman who was saying he'd been hit on his eye, by all accounts, that was a total lie.

00:09:51.580 um dr say i think you you and joseph between you will uncover the the the lies based around the

00:10:01.740 um accusations that this that that he had that the murder had been racially assaulted but just

00:10:08.760 tell us first of all your the view from your perch in the united states and how is this resonating

00:10:14.280 With America that had lived through the whole of the George Floyd protests that culminated in the Black Lives Matter movement, things actually of consequence came out of that death.

00:10:33.500 But I think the way that the respective establishments between the United States and the United Kingdom handled this and will handle the protests are very much different.

00:10:44.280 Oh, well, they are, Ben. And thanks so much for calling attention to this. It's so appropriate.

00:10:51.800 And it's horrifically poetic that you have the May 2020 death by a fentanyl overdose

00:11:00.040 of George Floyd in Minneapolis. George Floyd was a criminal who was passing a counterfeit

00:11:08.160 U.S. currency at a local mart in Minneapolis. And as a result of that, the police were called.

00:11:20.040 And as a result of his consumption of fentanyl, he died. And those facts were made clear

00:11:26.860 in the coroner's report. There's a new book by T.J. Harker called American Scapegoat,

00:11:33.420 which looks at how the police officer who was convicted of the murder of George Floyd,

00:11:42.060 a police officer named Derek Chauvin, was railroaded by the Justice Department.

00:11:49.120 So the audience may find that book of great interest when it is released, I believe, later this month.

00:11:57.660 So George Floyd was a criminal as a consequence, though, of his death,

00:12:02.040 seized upon, of course, by the neo-Bolshevik progressives to accelerate the changes that

00:12:09.480 they wanted in American society, but also in Western society. Who could forget the image

00:12:15.700 of Keir Starmer taking the knee in 2020 as part of his performance of acknowledging the death

00:12:27.780 of Floyd. Statues were torn down in the United States. That spread, sadly, to the UK.

00:12:36.500 The police were defunded in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and other American cities.

00:12:43.240 And there were a series of violent protests, riots, that occurred from Washington, D.C.,

00:12:49.820 course. Very famously, President Trump toured one of the essentially very famous church near the

00:12:59.100 White House that was damaged, but throughout American cities. The progressive left ran riot

00:13:06.380 in the United States in that year to bring about the revolutionary change that the

00:13:12.540 the neo-Bolshevik progressives wanted. Here, of course, as Joseph described, it is a different

00:13:20.360 situation. And we have an event which is not in accord with the narrative of the neo-Bolsheviks,

00:13:29.060 whether that's labor in the UK or their democratic allies in the United States. 0.64

00:13:35.500 So you have, again, these horrific events, both of them. In both instances, men died

00:13:44.060 who shouldn't have. But the replications of both are really polar opposites.

00:13:51.660 We see in the UK not the reaction. We see Farage's reaction, of course. The Tories have come in,

00:13:58.460 And of course, Reform, Restore have come in, as even Starmer's government has come in to condemn

00:14:05.180 the events. But both of these events really underscore how individuals are treated differently

00:14:11.920 in modern Western societies, depending on whether they're privileged or whether they're

00:14:18.180 oppressed. Floyd, of course, was privileged, and Novick was oppressed from those who have power

00:14:25.760 in both of those societies and as a result you have very different consequences different

00:14:33.120 consequences we'll be drilling on down on those consequences throughout the rest of the show

00:14:37.540 standby dr thayer joseph uh back with you both in just a quick moment time now for a shout out for

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00:16:34.920 Dr. Thay, I'll be back with you in one moment for you to continue your thesis here.

00:16:41.540 Joseph, tell me what do you think?

00:16:46.360 Look, I'm not that old, but when I was a kid, the police were treated with respect as a source of authority.

00:16:57.760 And that was almost universal just a couple of decades ago, a few decades ago. Now something has changed with regard to the UK's, the British people's relationship with the police. It's changed massively.

00:17:14.760 and I think this is a this is the culmination of this the anger that we're seeing today is the

00:17:19.540 culmination of this what do you think going forward is going to be the relationship between

00:17:24.180 the British public and the police in light of this footage because I think everyone who's seen

00:17:29.820 this footage now will be saying to themselves if it hadn't been for this footage I'm pretty sure

00:17:34.840 the police would have lied about what happened where do you think things are going to go from

00:17:38.940 here well let's put it into perspective we've been talking about two-tier justice now for

00:17:45.300 you know a long while really since lockdown again i go back to covid and and the way that

00:17:50.700 the protests against lockdown were policed then versus how the black lives matter protests were

00:17:56.340 policed at the same time and as we know the uk now has the highest rate of arrests in the world

00:18:02.420 by far beating even russia in terms of arrests for free speech for online posts which the police

00:18:10.380 consider to be more important than solving real crimes we've seen the police gallivanting around

00:18:15.500 in rainbow painted vehicles to celebrate pride while still failing to make the community safer

00:18:20.400 my own phone was stolen just yesterday once again in london now a twice yearly occurrence to me i

00:18:26.220 kind of just keep a burner at all times in case that happens you know really uh things are firing

00:18:31.720 out of control as far as we can see. And again, going back to why reform is polling so well in

00:18:38.880 the UK, partly because they've launched something called Operation Restoring Justice, which is not

00:18:43.700 entirely to do with their main talking points about energy and immigration, it's to do with

00:18:48.100 the fact we've lost control of our own streets. And this is something that deeply resonates with

00:18:52.640 the British public, because the reality is that, you know, whether it's something on the scale of

00:18:57.240 what's happened to poor Henry Novak or if it's just simply to do with local disorder the police

00:19:02.920 simply aren't competent anymore they're not trained and when they are trained as we've just

00:19:06.740 found out they're trained to deal with things disproportionately in terms of attitudes towards

00:19:12.100 race gender or other protected characteristics rather than actual crimes and I think this is

00:19:17.380 very similar really to what's happening with the transgender debate we're losing grip of what is 0.63

00:19:22.300 real and simply focusing on what is felt and this is the problem when you do this 0.87

00:19:27.580 real order starts to cave in and chaos is what follows

00:19:33.420 you question um and it's not only you questioning the police's competence let's just say brutally

00:19:42.300 what took place in this specific case that we know because we've seen that the

00:19:48.380 the the the body cam footage of this the police handcuffed an 18 year old kid who

00:19:58.440 was bleeding out in front of them and read him he could they arrested him for

00:20:04.700 assault put handcuffs on him and read the rights the um the civil rights in

00:20:15.440 America you know what commonly known as Miranda rights same principle in the UK

00:20:20.000 they read him his rights as he was bleeding out and within seconds of that

00:20:26.800 he'd be dead as his father says on the on the steps of the court those those

00:20:32.940 words of him being read his rights what was the last thing he heard it does not

00:20:40.960 seem to me to be cynically exploiting an opportunity to say that and question

00:20:47.320 the police's competence. They effectively handcuffed a person not

00:20:54.100 literally dead, seconds away from being dead and read him his rights as he'd

00:20:59.680 said nine times I can't breathe and four times I've been stabbed. Some people

00:21:06.160 have suggested the police involved there should be prosecuted. What's your view

00:21:10.840 on that my view is that one prosecution isn't going to do much i agree that they should be

00:21:16.600 prosecuted but ultimately this is systemic this is the way they're trained this is how they deal

00:21:21.840 with incidents if there is a person of a different skin color they will prioritize the feelings needs

00:21:26.940 and well-being of that person over what's happening in front of them if there is a person

00:21:31.420 of a different sexual orientation they will prioritize the needs feelings wants of that

00:21:36.100 individual over someone who doesn't have that particular bent or orientation this is the

00:21:41.840 reality we have not moved towards equality under the law we've moved away from it we used to have

00:21:46.880 equality under the law now people are treated completely differently depending on their skin

00:21:51.760 color their sexual orientation their creed their belief what we're moving into is as you know to

00:21:58.200 pick up on a point that was made earlier what we're really moving into is a soft form of communism 0.58

00:22:03.880 This is straight from the playbook of the Frankfurt School.

00:22:07.720 This is dividing society along the baselines of colour and creed and trying to disrupt the units that make up society, being the family, being the nation state, being property, being equality under the law. 0.85

00:22:21.180 What we've really moved towards is quite sinister because it's not something that's the fault of one police officer. 0.86

00:22:27.180 It's not something that's the fault of an incompetent or badly trained police force.

00:22:30.980 it's the result of a very very well trained police force to do exactly what they're told

00:22:36.100 and this is not uh i don't think a necessarily just a responsibility of the individual officer

00:22:42.100 did he behave appallingly yes was he trained to do so also yes so really the superior officers

00:22:49.140 are the ones at fault here the ones who were not seen in that video footage all the way up to the

00:22:53.700 lord chief justice lord hermer who of course is a fabian himself and i've talked about the fabian

00:22:58.440 society at length on this show before um but we are moving into the territory where their plot is

00:23:05.120 not just to do with the elites it's also to do with the with the way society is distributed at

00:23:09.460 the lower echelons of society unfortunately fortunately nowadays we have cameras because

00:23:15.440 if this happened in any other age we wouldn't be able to see what's really happening um 0.59

00:23:21.580 Now, Dr. Theo, Joseph Robertson's right, isn't he, when he indicates, I think, citing you yourself on this show, that this, you know, for years you've been banging the drum on the rise of neo-Bolshevism in the West, in the United States, in the UK. 0.67

00:23:41.320 this is a pretty much sad tragic vindication of your warnings this is evidence of a soft

00:23:49.120 communism now that has taken root throughout the british and i think to some extent less in the

00:23:55.900 u.s thanks to the trump resurgency but it is there present in both countries this is this would

00:24:01.620 appear to be the evidence of that you have as you were saying earlier on the show you have very very

00:24:06.340 similar cases here but because of the political bias of the regimes and the victims in either case

00:24:14.240 very different responses. You mentioned Keir Starmer's taking the knee when he was leader

00:24:24.580 of the opposition in solidarity with George Floyd. I think it took him a whole day to put out a

00:24:31.060 statement on Twitter saying that he felt, it was quite a performative statement saying that he felt

00:24:35.140 sick watching the footage, that I think this is what you've been highlighting, warning about

00:24:43.120 for a number of years, right? Yes, Ben. We're seeing throughout the West,

00:24:49.040 whether it's Australia or Canada, the United States, UK, Ireland, EU states, we're seeing 0.66

00:24:55.640 the triumph of neo-Bolshevik so-called progressivism in the West. And the fruits of it 0.81

00:25:04.260 are plentiful. We're seeing, of course, incidences of greater or lesser scale.

00:25:13.380 We're seeing rioting. We're seeing great tensions that are existing in once very stable,

00:25:18.160 high-trust societies that have been broken apart by the efforts of, again, that neo-Bolshevik 0.83

00:25:27.860 left, which started intentionally a civil war in Western civilization in a way to replace

00:25:37.540 Western governance and replace it with neo-Bolshevik progressivism governance.

00:25:44.980 So these events that we see, and there are quite a few of them, and the roots of this are deep

00:25:52.560 going back decades. We could see after Stephen Lawrence's murder in the UK in 1993, we could see

00:25:59.280 how tremendous power was brought to bear on the police to change, to my mind, principally, mostly

00:26:05.760 for the worse, how policing was done in the UK. We saw that again after George Floyd.

00:26:12.160 And we saw the sacrifice of Derek Chauvin, right? The victim was not George Floyd,

00:26:17.680 again, tragically dying of an overdose. But Derek Chauvin, who was imprisoned,

00:26:21.840 was the scapegoat for it, was railroaded by a judicial system, and has been assaulted,

00:26:28.960 attacked, almost killed in penitentiary, a U.S. federal penitentiary. So,

00:26:36.400 the fruits of the triumph of neo-Bolshevism are plentiful. We see this in endless immigration. 1.00

00:26:42.720 The idea that the UK cannot stop immigration 0.98

00:26:46.720 Illegal immigration or legal immigration 0.78

00:26:49.040 And year after year it continues

00:26:51.600 Without end

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00:32:04.780 the getter app now sign up for free and be part of the news absolutely shocked um as i'm sure

00:32:11.040 everybody was shocked um in particular just hearing someone almost talking through their

00:32:18.820 own death very very upsetting emotionally upsetting and I'm afraid I'm

00:32:25.600 sure this same for other people I couldn't take my mind off the the face

00:32:30.940 of the officer and this the sort of nonchalance if you like of what was

00:32:35.720 happening that is not who we are in Britain in Britain we have a terrible

00:32:53.060 case like Henry's case Henry Novak we react calmly as his family have done

00:33:02.200 footage there of Sir Keir Starmer British Prime Minister reacting to the

00:33:08.760 footage on George Floyd's death and reacting to the footage on Henry Novak's

00:33:15.600 death I think the difference in tone and the emotional response is the same in

00:33:23.440 both cases it's very different in both cases let's go back now to Joseph

00:33:30.520 robertson director of the center for economic and social reform in the uk joseph just let me

00:33:38.260 ask you a question um where are you on the death penalty you really want to go there ben um i mean

00:33:48.840 uh let me let me put it very simply i i do think that there are cases which merit the death penalty

00:33:56.000 You know, I don't think that it's the first thing on my policy agenda should a right wing government get into power in 27 or 29, whenever our next election is.

00:34:06.960 But do I think it's something that we need to thoroughly look at and start to think about reintroducing?

00:34:12.060 Yes, I'm going to be measured in the way I say that, because I do think there can be travesties of justice when it comes to the death penalty.

00:34:19.540 but in the most extreme cases where an offender simply cannot be rehabilitated into society and

00:34:26.480 where the crime simply outweighs uh the the justice and keeping them alive in prison then

00:34:32.200 yes i do believe in the death penalty would this be one of those situations i mean just based on

00:34:37.160 the way that individual was reacting articulously stabbing someone in the back so many times then

00:34:42.000 i think we'd certainly uh be looking towards the more obvious end of the death penalty yes

00:34:49.000 um speaking you're you're talking there to to vikram digwar the that the guy who wielded the

00:34:57.340 knife it's important to note that when the police arrived his first positioning wasn't to say that

00:35:06.560 he'd stabbed the guy in fact he just stood by silently as the police uh expressed their disbelief

00:35:15.040 when Henry Novak said that he'd been stabbed.

00:35:20.220 He claimed to have been racially attacked.

00:35:24.860 Now, I would suggest...

00:35:26.480 Can I just say something there, Ben, as well?

00:35:28.340 Sorry, not to break into your question.

00:35:31.920 The fact that there were so many people around him backing him up

00:35:36.420 when a young man is lying there on the ground,

00:35:39.600 clearly either inebriated or, as we found out later, dying,

00:35:42.980 surely that would put into the mind of a of a normal rational police officer that in a four

00:35:48.680 or five or one scenario it's very unlikely that the young man lying on the ground would have done

00:35:53.320 any damage and just look at the way they policed it from that point on this is what we really need

00:35:58.680 to be talking about the fact that he was completely outnumbered let's just say he did

00:36:02.520 punch the guy who eventually stabbed him the fact that there are four men standing around

00:36:08.440 clearly all together clearly all of the same race standing there and the officer immediately moves

00:36:14.940 to arrest the white young british lad lying on the floor that's what we should be talking about

00:36:21.140 i think it's disgusting um but on on the and i'll go to dr thayer as an american to ask him

00:36:31.140 his view understanding how american cultures what the issue what the interplay here would be with

00:36:36.700 the death penalty um if this case had taken place in the united states i'll say this right

00:36:41.620 if it had simply been a stabbing in a fight you can argue whether it was premeditated or not right

00:36:48.100 the sword he was carrying was a ceremonial seek sword um so you you can make an i mean the death

00:36:56.220 penalty is a pretty weighty thing to to be to be discussing to be wielding so you know you need to

00:37:01.720 be certain of intention right so you can make the argument the the argument would almost certainly

00:37:06.480 be made that he was carrying his ceremonial sword around for ceremonial reasons with no

00:37:12.600 intention to use it. And to be fair, the Sikh community isn't particularly in position number

00:37:18.680 one when it comes to knife crime in the UK anyway. The reason why I suggest I ask about 1.00

00:37:25.740 the death penalty because the actions that took place after the police arrived could

00:37:30.860 or could not, if different things had been handled differently, Henry Novak could still

00:37:35.760 be alive today he received no first aid to his repeated stabbings um and if the stabbing itself

00:37:44.880 was unintentional unintention unintention the lies that took place afterwards were certainly

00:37:51.760 intentioned and i think that's where the culpable responsibility for homicide would be in what

00:37:56.800 happened after let's not forget if i have got the reconstruction of the events right then uh the

00:38:03.860 The guy that the guy, Vikram Digwa, calls his brother, his brother comes, takes the sword, gives it to the mother or gives it to the mother who gives it to the brother.

00:38:14.700 I mean, they all they've all been convicted.

00:38:17.500 Now, I think that the family is waiting sentencing for various aspects of their involvement in this.

00:38:23.380 But it was it was a clear, deliberate intent to remove the knife from the scene of the crime and a clear, deliberate intent to distract attention.

00:38:33.060 from the stabbing and i think that's where the issue is bradley fair just tell me um

00:38:39.420 you know as an american who who follows these things what would have been the response

00:38:46.220 um do you think to the possibility the potential potential of um murder charges uh in the united

00:38:55.700 states and you can pick whichever state you want in order to to make your analogy here what would

00:39:02.980 have happened if a conviction on this had taken place in America? Well, it would depend, of course,

00:39:10.960 Ben, as you well know, in the state and in the jurisdiction, because there's tremendous variation

00:39:16.600 in the United States, of course, of whether the perpetrator, what race was the perpetrator,

00:39:25.480 what gender was the perpetrator, were they of privileged groups, right? Again,

00:39:30.440 the neo-Bolshevik progressive sees individuals in categories, and there are those who are

00:39:36.320 privileged and those who are not. So if it were in Chicago or in New York City,

00:39:44.620 and it was similar circumstances, prosecutors may not even brought charges in this instance.

00:39:52.600 And if it were a white individual who killed a minority, prosecutors certainly would have brought

00:40:00.260 charges. The death penalty might have been asked and additional hate crime elements certainly

00:40:07.540 leveled against them. But that shows that's a symptom of where we are in the West and a symptom

00:40:14.640 of how once liberal societies are very rapidly transforming into totalitarian societies very

00:40:26.480 quickly and we're seeing this again throughout uh the west it's moving at an accelerated um uh pace

00:40:34.480 so it all depends of course uh on the categories ben and who's you know lenin had the who whom

00:40:40.800 right who rules over whom uh and that really captures it uh uh here it depends on the race

00:40:47.200 of the individual um doctor there thanks standby just um we've got some footage of the the knife

00:40:56.080 that was actually used in the murder which we're playing just in a couple of moments after this

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00:42:38.180 Folks, Denver, if you wouldn't mind,

00:42:40.360 let's show the footage there so people can see exactly what was involved.

00:42:44.920 That was the horrific instrument there

00:42:47.180 that ended young 18-year-old student Henry Novak's life.

00:42:53.800 Okay, so in the final little under 10 minutes of the show,

00:42:58.840 what I would like to do is suggest, I've got my suggestions,

00:43:03.320 and I'll ask you both for your suggestions as well.

00:43:06.040 What good I would like to come out of this unspeakable tragedy.

00:43:11.720 And I've got a couple of suggestions.

00:43:13.380 First off, let me start with this.

00:43:15.080 i don't i don't think the british police should have the right to arrest anybody who is not to

00:43:23.000 handcuff excuse me anybody who is not resisting arrest that's the first thing they didn't arrest

00:43:29.540 um the murderer uh vikram digra they didn't arrest they didn't they didn't handcuff him

00:43:36.880 when they arrested him um at any stage so that's the first thing i would like to see out of this

00:43:42.500 in the UK. I don't see why America can't sort of draw the same conclusions. Nobody should be

00:43:48.100 handcuffed in an arrest if they are not resisting arrest at the time. I personally think

00:43:59.180 the death penalty should be back on the statute book in the UK. That is a longer policy debate

00:44:08.300 for a different time I'm not saying every time someone is killed they need to be hanged but I

00:44:14.740 certainly think the option should be available to a jury the third thing I would like to see out of

00:44:21.640 this and I by the way by the way I think the death penalty should have been on the table

00:44:28.440 if it were legalized in the UK in this case I think the jury should have considered it I think

00:44:34.280 what Vikram Degra did not just in the killing but in the immediate aftermath of the killing

00:44:44.160 should certainly have the death penalty on the table. Third suggestion then I'll hand over first

00:44:53.280 to you Joseph Robertson then to you Bradley Thayer I gather that mr. mr.

00:45:05.720 Digra Vikram Digra and his family were all born in the UK and there were there

00:45:13.340 are some suggestions on the internet that his mother might hold dual

00:45:18.060 citizenship in India. There's a whole debate taking place now on deporting people and I get

00:45:28.120 that you can only deport people realistically to countries they may have been born in before

00:45:34.560 coming to the West. However, I would like to throw this down as a suggestion. After sentences have

00:45:42.820 been served, and I think it would appear to me that everyone in the Diggler family needs to go

00:45:48.660 to prison at some point for their role in young Henry's murder. I think after a sentence is served, 0.55

00:45:59.060 if you cannot lawfully or physically deport somebody to another country, you can at least

00:46:05.160 tell them to quit the territory of the United Kingdom. That should be on the statute book. 0.56

00:46:12.140 um we know we're not going to send you to another to a third country but you can you choose where

00:46:18.820 you go but you can no longer stay here in this country and i think that would be inappropriate

00:46:23.300 if that were on the statute book i think that would be appropriate in this case a policy

00:46:29.220 suggestion i will call national eviction for want of a better term those are three things i would

00:46:34.840 like to see come out of this case um but it's going to be an ongoing discussion we've got about

00:46:40.600 like two and a half minutes each for for either of you for both of you for your comments and

00:46:45.680 suggestions as to what could come out of henry novak's murder joseph let's start with you

00:46:50.820 well firstly on the deportations point i think it's very simple you know if you have a dual

00:46:56.900 nationality and you commit a crime that's heinous uh within the uh jurisdiction of the united

00:47:03.100 kingdom you lose your right to citizenship if you hold your citizenship if you don't and you

00:47:08.480 are simply a subject of his majesty then you will be dealt with under british law i don't think that

00:47:13.120 deportation could be arbitrarily applied if you have a british passport at this stage um i don't

00:47:19.100 think that's something that should be on the table because it would complicate all kinds of family

00:47:22.720 arrangements but i do think that coming back to your first point about the death penalty one thing

00:47:28.880 i would add and the reason why i'd like to sit on the table this time is because let's say this

00:47:32.500 with self-defense you might expect one stab wound or two at most um you know an instinctive reaction

00:47:38.920 there was a weapon to hand and it wasn't necessarily premeditated it was homicide

00:47:43.060 but when that continues far far beyond the point of simply self-defense then we're moving from

00:47:50.420 homicide into premeditated murder and when you are also accompanied by a crowd of other people

00:47:55.780 who could have had your back in some way then it becomes even worse um in terms of what i would

00:48:00.500 like to see happen. I think simply that the police need to be retrained to put community needs first

00:48:06.260 and that doesn't mean becoming more lovey-dovey and spraying more pride flags all over their

00:48:10.880 vehicles. That means actually understanding the systemic differences between communities

00:48:16.880 in the areas that they have to police and that does mean getting tough in situations where they

00:48:22.680 may not want to and it does mean putting to one side protected characteristics. I think rescinding

00:48:27.900 the human uh the human rights act and also moving us out of the european convention on human rights

00:48:33.780 so two things we've talked about a lot in in the case of immigration and mass immigration how to

00:48:39.120 deal with that but that also comes into the way we police we're far too beholden to european

00:48:44.120 bureaucracy and to entangled legislation in this country and we need to get rid of that as soon as

00:48:50.160 possible um dr thea just i have to i know short kind of like two minutes for this i just want to

00:49:00.240 say i think that we have we ought to have the ability on the statute book to strip somebody

00:49:06.700 of their citizenship even if they were born in the country even if they have full illegitimate

00:49:12.080 citizenship and that's and certain crimes i think the community of the united kingdom should be able

00:49:18.820 to decide for itself, you are no longer, after you've served your sentence, you are no longer

00:49:23.340 going to be a citizen of this country. Go in peace, but to another country and do not come, 0.91

00:49:29.040 but you will not be allowed back in. Dr. Thayer, you have two minutes, thoughts and suggestions

00:49:32.860 following the brutal murder of Henry Novak. Well, to build on your excellent remarks,

00:49:38.660 Ben and Joseph's as well, I would simply add, and I recognise nothing will be done under a Labour

00:49:43.780 government along these lines, but how many of these incidences do we have to endure? Southport,

00:49:51.220 the horrific murders of the three girls, a wounding of, I believe, six other girls

00:49:57.940 at the dance studio and two adults, the anti-Semitic attack in London earlier.

00:50:04.980 How many of these incidences must we endure? How many? How much is enough?

00:50:09.540 so uh there's going to be another one in a month there's going to be another one next week

00:50:17.000 steve bannon says dr thayer this doesn't end until we end it i i think that has exhausted

00:50:25.220 the time for this show seeing as you have the word dr thayer i know you have a book coming out

00:50:30.660 um august the 18th i think it is just if people want to go onto amazon now get their orders in

00:50:36.500 Straight away, what are the details?

00:50:40.020 Well, Ben, thank you very much.

00:50:41.620 Steve Bannon wrote the foreword to it.

00:50:43.580 I'm very grateful to that.

00:50:44.700 It's America's Hundred Years' War,

00:50:46.960 How to Win Against Communism.

00:50:49.120 And it will be published in August,

00:50:51.920 and folks are able to go to Skyhorse

00:50:53.960 or to Amazon to find the book.

00:50:57.760 But this has to end, and it ends by ending it.

00:51:01.740 And that means holding people accountable

00:51:03.520 and including the police officers who did it.

00:51:08.040 Yes, they've been trained in a certain way,

00:51:09.960 but they're accountable nonetheless.

00:51:11.920 So individuals are accountable.

00:51:14.520 Organizations need to be accountable.

00:51:17.280 In so many respects, that needs to be done.

00:51:20.140 It's a great book.

00:51:21.220 It's a great book.

00:51:22.060 I heart-handedly recommend it.

00:51:25.000 Joseph Robertson, Director for Economic and Social Reform in the UK.

00:51:29.620 I noticed you're also very busy on CPAC UK coming up.

00:51:33.520 um in a month or so's time uh where would you direct people's attention to for that and also

00:51:40.440 your own social media yeah well of course as you know we've got cpac great britain for the first

00:51:46.540 time ever can't believe it's the first time ever 16th to 18th of july we're hoping many of our

00:51:50.360 american colleagues will come to help us save britain and the west and we'll be having people

00:51:54.380 from all over europe south america and of course the great united states and we hope to see you

00:51:59.200 There you can get tickets via the CPAC Great Britain website.

00:52:01.960 Just type it to Google.

00:52:03.400 You can catch me on at X or anywhere else at J.R. Ply.

00:52:08.000 Joseph Robertson, Dr. Bradley Thayer,

00:52:10.420 very, very grateful for you going through this evening,

00:52:15.520 this absolute tragedy of the death,

00:52:18.140 the unnecessary death of young Henry Novak,

00:52:21.360 stabbed in the back and not only metaphorically.

00:52:24.720 That is all we have time for today.

00:52:27.200 Steve, back in the chair, 10 a.m. tomorrow.

00:52:30.360 My thanks to Spencer, Real America's Voice, and to Vittorio Santifranco, who put the show together.

00:52:36.100 God bless for now. See you tomorrow.

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WarRoom Battleground EP 1025： A Henry Nowak Special — WarRoom Looks Into What Lessons Can Be Learnt From This Appalling Tragedy

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