Henry Novak has been sentenced to life in prison for the murder of a defenseless 18-year-old student in the south of England, George Floyd. Bradley Thayer and Joseph Robertson, two of Steve's favourite commentators in the UK, join him to discuss the case and the reaction to the sentence.
00:09:42.800And he said, I've been stabbed four times.
00:09:46.180The gentleman who was saying he'd been hit on his eye, by all accounts, that was a total lie.
00:09:51.580um dr say i think you you and joseph between you will uncover the the the lies based around the
00:10:01.740um accusations that this that that he had that the murder had been racially assaulted but just
00:10:08.760tell us first of all your the view from your perch in the united states and how is this resonating
00:10:14.280With America that had lived through the whole of the George Floyd protests that culminated in the Black Lives Matter movement, things actually of consequence came out of that death.
00:10:33.500But I think the way that the respective establishments between the United States and the United Kingdom handled this and will handle the protests are very much different.
00:10:44.280Oh, well, they are, Ben. And thanks so much for calling attention to this. It's so appropriate.
00:10:51.800And it's horrifically poetic that you have the May 2020 death by a fentanyl overdose
00:11:00.040of George Floyd in Minneapolis. George Floyd was a criminal who was passing a counterfeit
00:11:08.160U.S. currency at a local mart in Minneapolis. And as a result of that, the police were called.
00:11:20.040And as a result of his consumption of fentanyl, he died. And those facts were made clear
00:11:26.860in the coroner's report. There's a new book by T.J. Harker called American Scapegoat,
00:11:33.420which looks at how the police officer who was convicted of the murder of George Floyd,
00:11:42.060a police officer named Derek Chauvin, was railroaded by the Justice Department.
00:11:49.120So the audience may find that book of great interest when it is released, I believe, later this month.
00:11:57.660So George Floyd was a criminal as a consequence, though, of his death,
00:12:02.040seized upon, of course, by the neo-Bolshevik progressives to accelerate the changes that
00:12:09.480they wanted in American society, but also in Western society. Who could forget the image
00:12:15.700of Keir Starmer taking the knee in 2020 as part of his performance of acknowledging the death
00:12:27.780of Floyd. Statues were torn down in the United States. That spread, sadly, to the UK.
00:12:36.500The police were defunded in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and other American cities.
00:12:43.240And there were a series of violent protests, riots, that occurred from Washington, D.C.,
00:12:49.820course. Very famously, President Trump toured one of the essentially very famous church near the
00:12:59.100White House that was damaged, but throughout American cities. The progressive left ran riot
00:13:06.380in the United States in that year to bring about the revolutionary change that the
00:13:12.540the neo-Bolshevik progressives wanted. Here, of course, as Joseph described, it is a different
00:13:20.360situation. And we have an event which is not in accord with the narrative of the neo-Bolsheviks,
00:13:29.060whether that's labor in the UK or their democratic allies in the United States.0.64
00:13:35.500So you have, again, these horrific events, both of them. In both instances, men died
00:13:44.060who shouldn't have. But the replications of both are really polar opposites.
00:13:51.660We see in the UK not the reaction. We see Farage's reaction, of course. The Tories have come in,
00:13:58.460And of course, Reform, Restore have come in, as even Starmer's government has come in to condemn
00:14:05.180the events. But both of these events really underscore how individuals are treated differently
00:14:11.920in modern Western societies, depending on whether they're privileged or whether they're
00:14:18.180oppressed. Floyd, of course, was privileged, and Novick was oppressed from those who have power
00:14:25.760in both of those societies and as a result you have very different consequences different
00:14:33.120consequences we'll be drilling on down on those consequences throughout the rest of the show
00:14:37.540standby dr thayer joseph uh back with you both in just a quick moment time now for a shout out for
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00:16:34.920Dr. Thay, I'll be back with you in one moment for you to continue your thesis here.
00:16:46.360Look, I'm not that old, but when I was a kid, the police were treated with respect as a source of authority.
00:16:57.760And that was almost universal just a couple of decades ago, a few decades ago. Now something has changed with regard to the UK's, the British people's relationship with the police. It's changed massively.
00:17:14.760and I think this is a this is the culmination of this the anger that we're seeing today is the
00:17:19.540culmination of this what do you think going forward is going to be the relationship between
00:17:24.180the British public and the police in light of this footage because I think everyone who's seen
00:17:29.820this footage now will be saying to themselves if it hadn't been for this footage I'm pretty sure
00:17:34.840the police would have lied about what happened where do you think things are going to go from
00:17:38.940here well let's put it into perspective we've been talking about two-tier justice now for
00:17:45.300you know a long while really since lockdown again i go back to covid and and the way that
00:17:50.700the protests against lockdown were policed then versus how the black lives matter protests were
00:17:56.340policed at the same time and as we know the uk now has the highest rate of arrests in the world
00:18:02.420by far beating even russia in terms of arrests for free speech for online posts which the police
00:18:10.380consider to be more important than solving real crimes we've seen the police gallivanting around
00:18:15.500in rainbow painted vehicles to celebrate pride while still failing to make the community safer
00:18:20.400my own phone was stolen just yesterday once again in london now a twice yearly occurrence to me i
00:18:26.220kind of just keep a burner at all times in case that happens you know really uh things are firing
00:18:31.720out of control as far as we can see. And again, going back to why reform is polling so well in
00:18:38.880the UK, partly because they've launched something called Operation Restoring Justice, which is not
00:18:43.700entirely to do with their main talking points about energy and immigration, it's to do with
00:18:48.100the fact we've lost control of our own streets. And this is something that deeply resonates with
00:18:52.640the British public, because the reality is that, you know, whether it's something on the scale of
00:18:57.240what's happened to poor Henry Novak or if it's just simply to do with local disorder the police
00:19:02.920simply aren't competent anymore they're not trained and when they are trained as we've just
00:19:06.740found out they're trained to deal with things disproportionately in terms of attitudes towards
00:19:12.100race gender or other protected characteristics rather than actual crimes and I think this is
00:19:17.380very similar really to what's happening with the transgender debate we're losing grip of what is0.63
00:19:22.300real and simply focusing on what is felt and this is the problem when you do this0.87
00:19:27.580real order starts to cave in and chaos is what follows
00:19:33.420you question um and it's not only you questioning the police's competence let's just say brutally
00:19:42.300what took place in this specific case that we know because we've seen that the
00:19:48.380the the the body cam footage of this the police handcuffed an 18 year old kid who
00:19:58.440was bleeding out in front of them and read him he could they arrested him for
00:20:04.700assault put handcuffs on him and read the rights the um the civil rights in
00:20:15.440America you know what commonly known as Miranda rights same principle in the UK
00:20:20.000they read him his rights as he was bleeding out and within seconds of that
00:20:26.800he'd be dead as his father says on the on the steps of the court those those
00:20:32.940words of him being read his rights what was the last thing he heard it does not
00:20:40.960seem to me to be cynically exploiting an opportunity to say that and question
00:20:47.320the police's competence. They effectively handcuffed a person not
00:20:54.100literally dead, seconds away from being dead and read him his rights as he'd
00:20:59.680said nine times I can't breathe and four times I've been stabbed. Some people
00:21:06.160have suggested the police involved there should be prosecuted. What's your view
00:21:10.840on that my view is that one prosecution isn't going to do much i agree that they should be
00:21:16.600prosecuted but ultimately this is systemic this is the way they're trained this is how they deal
00:21:21.840with incidents if there is a person of a different skin color they will prioritize the feelings needs
00:21:26.940and well-being of that person over what's happening in front of them if there is a person
00:21:31.420of a different sexual orientation they will prioritize the needs feelings wants of that
00:21:36.100individual over someone who doesn't have that particular bent or orientation this is the
00:21:41.840reality we have not moved towards equality under the law we've moved away from it we used to have
00:21:46.880equality under the law now people are treated completely differently depending on their skin
00:21:51.760color their sexual orientation their creed their belief what we're moving into is as you know to
00:21:58.200pick up on a point that was made earlier what we're really moving into is a soft form of communism0.58
00:22:03.880This is straight from the playbook of the Frankfurt School.
00:22:07.720This is dividing society along the baselines of colour and creed and trying to disrupt the units that make up society, being the family, being the nation state, being property, being equality under the law.0.85
00:22:21.180What we've really moved towards is quite sinister because it's not something that's the fault of one police officer.0.86
00:22:27.180It's not something that's the fault of an incompetent or badly trained police force.
00:22:30.980it's the result of a very very well trained police force to do exactly what they're told
00:22:36.100and this is not uh i don't think a necessarily just a responsibility of the individual officer
00:22:42.100did he behave appallingly yes was he trained to do so also yes so really the superior officers
00:22:49.140are the ones at fault here the ones who were not seen in that video footage all the way up to the
00:22:53.700lord chief justice lord hermer who of course is a fabian himself and i've talked about the fabian
00:22:58.440society at length on this show before um but we are moving into the territory where their plot is
00:23:05.120not just to do with the elites it's also to do with the with the way society is distributed at
00:23:09.460the lower echelons of society unfortunately fortunately nowadays we have cameras because
00:23:15.440if this happened in any other age we wouldn't be able to see what's really happening um0.59
00:23:21.580Now, Dr. Theo, Joseph Robertson's right, isn't he, when he indicates, I think, citing you yourself on this show, that this, you know, for years you've been banging the drum on the rise of neo-Bolshevism in the West, in the United States, in the UK.0.67
00:23:41.320this is a pretty much sad tragic vindication of your warnings this is evidence of a soft
00:23:49.120communism now that has taken root throughout the british and i think to some extent less in the
00:23:55.900u.s thanks to the trump resurgency but it is there present in both countries this is this would
00:24:01.620appear to be the evidence of that you have as you were saying earlier on the show you have very very
00:24:06.340similar cases here but because of the political bias of the regimes and the victims in either case
00:24:14.240very different responses. You mentioned Keir Starmer's taking the knee when he was leader
00:24:24.580of the opposition in solidarity with George Floyd. I think it took him a whole day to put out a
00:24:31.060statement on Twitter saying that he felt, it was quite a performative statement saying that he felt
00:24:35.140sick watching the footage, that I think this is what you've been highlighting, warning about
00:24:43.120for a number of years, right? Yes, Ben. We're seeing throughout the West,
00:24:49.040whether it's Australia or Canada, the United States, UK, Ireland, EU states, we're seeing0.66
00:24:55.640the triumph of neo-Bolshevik so-called progressivism in the West. And the fruits of it0.81
00:25:04.260are plentiful. We're seeing, of course, incidences of greater or lesser scale.
00:25:13.380We're seeing rioting. We're seeing great tensions that are existing in once very stable,
00:25:18.160high-trust societies that have been broken apart by the efforts of, again, that neo-Bolshevik0.83
00:25:27.860left, which started intentionally a civil war in Western civilization in a way to replace
00:25:37.540Western governance and replace it with neo-Bolshevik progressivism governance.
00:25:44.980So these events that we see, and there are quite a few of them, and the roots of this are deep
00:25:52.560going back decades. We could see after Stephen Lawrence's murder in the UK in 1993, we could see
00:25:59.280how tremendous power was brought to bear on the police to change, to my mind, principally, mostly
00:26:05.760for the worse, how policing was done in the UK. We saw that again after George Floyd.
00:26:12.160And we saw the sacrifice of Derek Chauvin, right? The victim was not George Floyd,
00:26:17.680again, tragically dying of an overdose. But Derek Chauvin, who was imprisoned,
00:26:21.840was the scapegoat for it, was railroaded by a judicial system, and has been assaulted,
00:26:28.960attacked, almost killed in penitentiary, a U.S. federal penitentiary. So,
00:26:36.400the fruits of the triumph of neo-Bolshevism are plentiful. We see this in endless immigration.1.00
00:26:42.720The idea that the UK cannot stop immigration0.98
00:26:46.720Illegal immigration or legal immigration0.78
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00:32:04.780the getter app now sign up for free and be part of the news absolutely shocked um as i'm sure
00:32:11.040everybody was shocked um in particular just hearing someone almost talking through their
00:32:18.820own death very very upsetting emotionally upsetting and I'm afraid I'm
00:32:25.600sure this same for other people I couldn't take my mind off the the face
00:32:30.940of the officer and this the sort of nonchalance if you like of what was
00:32:35.720happening that is not who we are in Britain in Britain we have a terrible
00:32:53.060case like Henry's case Henry Novak we react calmly as his family have done
00:33:02.200footage there of Sir Keir Starmer British Prime Minister reacting to the
00:33:08.760footage on George Floyd's death and reacting to the footage on Henry Novak's
00:33:15.600death I think the difference in tone and the emotional response is the same in
00:33:23.440both cases it's very different in both cases let's go back now to Joseph
00:33:30.520robertson director of the center for economic and social reform in the uk joseph just let me
00:33:38.260ask you a question um where are you on the death penalty you really want to go there ben um i mean
00:33:48.840uh let me let me put it very simply i i do think that there are cases which merit the death penalty
00:33:56.000You know, I don't think that it's the first thing on my policy agenda should a right wing government get into power in 27 or 29, whenever our next election is.
00:34:06.960But do I think it's something that we need to thoroughly look at and start to think about reintroducing?
00:34:12.060Yes, I'm going to be measured in the way I say that, because I do think there can be travesties of justice when it comes to the death penalty.
00:34:19.540but in the most extreme cases where an offender simply cannot be rehabilitated into society and
00:34:26.480where the crime simply outweighs uh the the justice and keeping them alive in prison then
00:34:32.200yes i do believe in the death penalty would this be one of those situations i mean just based on
00:34:37.160the way that individual was reacting articulously stabbing someone in the back so many times then
00:34:42.000i think we'd certainly uh be looking towards the more obvious end of the death penalty yes
00:34:49.000um speaking you're you're talking there to to vikram digwar the that the guy who wielded the
00:34:57.340knife it's important to note that when the police arrived his first positioning wasn't to say that
00:35:06.560he'd stabbed the guy in fact he just stood by silently as the police uh expressed their disbelief
00:35:15.040when Henry Novak said that he'd been stabbed.
00:35:20.220He claimed to have been racially attacked.
00:35:26.480Can I just say something there, Ben, as well?
00:35:28.340Sorry, not to break into your question.
00:35:31.920The fact that there were so many people around him backing him up
00:35:36.420when a young man is lying there on the ground,
00:35:39.600clearly either inebriated or, as we found out later, dying,
00:35:42.980surely that would put into the mind of a of a normal rational police officer that in a four
00:35:48.680or five or one scenario it's very unlikely that the young man lying on the ground would have done
00:35:53.320any damage and just look at the way they policed it from that point on this is what we really need
00:35:58.680to be talking about the fact that he was completely outnumbered let's just say he did
00:36:02.520punch the guy who eventually stabbed him the fact that there are four men standing around
00:36:08.440clearly all together clearly all of the same race standing there and the officer immediately moves
00:36:14.940to arrest the white young british lad lying on the floor that's what we should be talking about
00:36:21.140i think it's disgusting um but on on the and i'll go to dr thayer as an american to ask him
00:36:31.140his view understanding how american cultures what the issue what the interplay here would be with
00:36:36.700the death penalty um if this case had taken place in the united states i'll say this right
00:36:41.620if it had simply been a stabbing in a fight you can argue whether it was premeditated or not right
00:36:48.100the sword he was carrying was a ceremonial seek sword um so you you can make an i mean the death
00:36:56.220penalty is a pretty weighty thing to to be to be discussing to be wielding so you know you need to
00:37:01.720be certain of intention right so you can make the argument the the argument would almost certainly
00:37:06.480be made that he was carrying his ceremonial sword around for ceremonial reasons with no
00:37:12.600intention to use it. And to be fair, the Sikh community isn't particularly in position number
00:37:18.680one when it comes to knife crime in the UK anyway. The reason why I suggest I ask about1.00
00:37:25.740the death penalty because the actions that took place after the police arrived could
00:37:30.860or could not, if different things had been handled differently, Henry Novak could still
00:37:35.760be alive today he received no first aid to his repeated stabbings um and if the stabbing itself
00:37:44.880was unintentional unintention unintention the lies that took place afterwards were certainly
00:37:51.760intentioned and i think that's where the culpable responsibility for homicide would be in what
00:37:56.800happened after let's not forget if i have got the reconstruction of the events right then uh the
00:38:03.860The guy that the guy, Vikram Digwa, calls his brother, his brother comes, takes the sword, gives it to the mother or gives it to the mother who gives it to the brother.
00:38:14.700I mean, they all they've all been convicted.
00:38:17.500Now, I think that the family is waiting sentencing for various aspects of their involvement in this.
00:38:23.380But it was it was a clear, deliberate intent to remove the knife from the scene of the crime and a clear, deliberate intent to distract attention.
00:38:33.060from the stabbing and i think that's where the issue is bradley fair just tell me um
00:38:39.420you know as an american who who follows these things what would have been the response
00:38:46.220um do you think to the possibility the potential potential of um murder charges uh in the united
00:38:55.700states and you can pick whichever state you want in order to to make your analogy here what would
00:39:02.980have happened if a conviction on this had taken place in America? Well, it would depend, of course,
00:39:10.960Ben, as you well know, in the state and in the jurisdiction, because there's tremendous variation
00:39:16.600in the United States, of course, of whether the perpetrator, what race was the perpetrator,
00:39:25.480what gender was the perpetrator, were they of privileged groups, right? Again,
00:39:30.440the neo-Bolshevik progressive sees individuals in categories, and there are those who are
00:39:36.320privileged and those who are not. So if it were in Chicago or in New York City,
00:39:44.620and it was similar circumstances, prosecutors may not even brought charges in this instance.
00:39:52.600And if it were a white individual who killed a minority, prosecutors certainly would have brought
00:40:00.260charges. The death penalty might have been asked and additional hate crime elements certainly
00:40:07.540leveled against them. But that shows that's a symptom of where we are in the West and a symptom
00:40:14.640of how once liberal societies are very rapidly transforming into totalitarian societies very
00:40:26.480quickly and we're seeing this again throughout uh the west it's moving at an accelerated um uh pace
00:40:34.480so it all depends of course uh on the categories ben and who's you know lenin had the who whom
00:40:40.800right who rules over whom uh and that really captures it uh uh here it depends on the race
00:40:47.200of the individual um doctor there thanks standby just um we've got some footage of the the knife
00:40:56.080that was actually used in the murder which we're playing just in a couple of moments after this
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