Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground eP 1027： The Current Crusade For The Christian Faith

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on

00:00:11.020 these people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have

00:00:17.600 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything

00:00:21.380 the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people

00:00:24.960 like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people

00:00:32.780 had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my

00:00:40.720 country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band

00:00:47.940 Tuesday, 9 June, Year of the Lord, 2026.

00:00:54.900 We're welcoming Raymond Ibrahim, one of our favorite guests here, actually in the war room today.

00:01:00.600 Raymond, you're back in D.C. for a major conference.

00:01:04.200 Walk people through, because, you know, we know you from your great books on the history of the War of Islam,

00:01:09.500 the 1400-year war of sword and scimitar of Islam versus the Christian West.

00:01:14.900 You've got the great heroes of the West, another one that goes back to the Middle Ages.

00:01:21.900 And you've got this amazing book on the military orders, which I love.

00:01:26.980 Just amazing.

00:01:28.020 A nice Templar and Knights Hospitallers of St. John.

00:01:32.440 But you're actually very involved in current national security, intelligence, and kind of this war against Christian communities.

00:01:38.880 What's this conference?

00:01:40.380 Who's at it?

00:01:41.080 Why is it important?

00:01:43.320 Yeah, Steve.

00:01:44.160 It's called—it's being hosted by Coptic Solidarity, an international human rights organization that primarily focuses on the persecution of Christians in the Middle East in general, in Egypt in particular, the Copts, because that's the largest concentration of Christian minorities in the Middle East.

00:01:59.500 And it's a two-day conference.

00:02:01.160 It has a lot of congressmen, congresswomen, analysts, experts, specialists, victims, testimonials.

00:02:08.040 Very interesting.

00:02:09.540 I'm invited.

00:02:10.280 I held a panel dealing with actually the attacks on the Coptic or Christian heritage in the Middle East,

00:02:17.860 such as the St. Catherine Monastery and also the Holy Family Trail in Egypt,

00:02:23.980 how they're being appropriated by the Egyptian state, essentially.

00:02:27.780 But lots of information is, you know, we spoke, one was an apostate from England,

00:02:33.800 a man of Pakistani heritage who shared his story, including images,

00:02:37.280 images and the man has been beaten several times almost near death just for leaving islam and of

00:02:43.800 course there's definitely a uh security and political dimension as well lots of experts

00:02:48.340 talking about those particular so this is something that's almost never talked about

00:02:53.160 and we do it a lot on the show but the war against christianity and christians and christian sites

00:02:57.440 all throughout the middle east and this is happening in israel now too this is why i'm a

00:03:01.860 huge advocate. We need a new Christian state of Jerusalem. The Muslims have Gaza. I mean,

00:03:09.400 Qatar's financing it. The Turks are going to provide security. I kept arguing the overreach 0.82

00:03:14.020 of the Greater Israel Project will lead to that, and President Trump's construct, the Board of

00:03:18.020 Peace, that's what's happening. You need a Christian state. But I want to go back to the

00:03:22.860 heritage, St. Catherine's Monastery and the Holy Family Trail. Let's start at St. Catherine's

00:03:28.020 monastery. What is it? When was it built? And what's the problem today? So this is basically,

00:03:36.380 I think, the oldest continuously run monastery in the world. And it was built, I think, during

00:03:42.960 Justinian the Great, the emperor. It was literally built before Islam came into being, 0.62

00:03:48.200 about a century or two before in the Sinai area, around the area where Moses, the burning bush,

00:03:54.220 and the Ten Commandments, Sinai, essentially.

00:03:56.800 So it was built to commemorate their very ancient, very holy site.

00:04:00.880 And ever since the Islamic Arab conquests of the 7th century,

00:04:05.520 it has been under attack.

00:04:07.040 It is in all sorts of ways burned and rebuilt.

00:04:10.360 And this goes for all monasteries and churches, of course.

00:04:14.200 But finally, after, you know, the vicissitudes of centuries of attacks

00:04:17.500 from different invading Islamic occupiers,

00:04:20.300 Arabs and Turks and Fatimids and Seljuks etc etc now it's finally you know in one piece and it's

00:04:28.520 a UNESCO heritage site and out of the blue the Egyptian state because a regular Muslim man and

00:04:35.780 Islamists according to the reports support him actually brought a territorial claim saying that

00:04:41.540 no no the land that the monastery is built on belongs to me and long story short a few months

00:04:46.580 ago the an egyptian court ruled that yes all the land around that monastery belongs to the state

00:04:52.060 and it's going to appropriate it and that of course created a lot of um a lash back especially

00:04:59.100 from the greek orthodox church who because it's an orthodox site it's essentially a greek orthodox

00:05:04.280 site and um you know eventually just to cover face the egyptian government said no no it's just a

00:05:10.640 technicality nothing's going to change it's still it's still a heritage site etc etc but you know

00:05:15.720 most observers myself included argue otherwise that it's essentially being appropriated and what

00:05:21.640 really gives credence to that is something very similar has happened since then and lesser known

00:05:25.880 which is in egypt there's what's known as the holy family trail which is at the time when joseph and

00:05:31.720 mary and baby jesus when they fled to egypt the for centuries it's been known where they went and

00:05:36.800 the coptic church has actually maintained it for spiritual and heritage reasons but now the egyptian

00:05:42.740 state is, again, appropriating everything, taking control of it. And keep in mind, you know, so the

00:05:48.040 Coptic church, the Christians, again, that whole, all those heritage sites were under attack by 0.99

00:05:53.640 Muslims. Now, however, because it can be used and exploited as a tourism site, basically the 0.99

00:05:59.460 Egyptian government's taking it, appropriating it, and of course, taking all the revenues that come

00:06:03.480 from it. And, you know, to fully understand this, if you want to really understand how bad it is,

00:06:08.840 because it's usually everything coming out from that region is bad anyway.

00:06:12.820 But to understand it by analogy, imagine or think about what the U.S. government is doing towards Native Americans.

00:06:18.640 The complete autonomy they have, the lands that they can keep, their sacred sites,

00:06:23.620 they keep all the revenue coming out of casinos and all that sort of thing.

00:06:28.000 Well, this is identical because the Copts are the indigenous inhabitants, as I mentioned, Sinai, Catherine.

00:06:33.540 And that was there centuries before Arabs and Muslims, before Muslims even existed, before Muhammad was born. 0.61

00:06:39.180 OK, and you can see the difference between how the U.S. government is, you know, at least allows the natives access and to profit from their own regions.

00:06:48.560 Whereas in Egypt and in the broader Middle East, Christians are completely being denied and their actual structures.

00:06:55.300 The Native Americans don't even have buildings that they built before the Europeans came.

00:06:59.900 Whereas in this case, you have actual monasteries and ancient sites, actual tangible assets, and lo and behold, here's the Egyptian government essentially taking over.

00:07:10.560 But here's what I don't get.

00:07:12.980 We give, because your Coptic conference has, you've got a lot of players there.

00:07:18.840 You've got guys from the administration.

00:07:21.040 I think you have the counterterrorism person over at the National Security Council.

00:07:24.500 You've got a number of prominent congressmen.

00:07:26.200 I mean, this issue of Christians being under attack is now starting to get the type of profile that we need.

00:07:33.920 And particularly people think, well, hold it.

00:07:36.120 Egypt is a—General Sisi is one of President Trump's closest guys in the region.

00:07:42.080 We give them, I think, $10 billion a year.

00:07:45.220 I think it was five.

00:07:46.560 I think it was up to $10 billion a year of monetary support for the government plus military support.

00:07:53.060 If we're giving them that kind of money, how can they, on the other hand, 0.91

00:07:56.040 be taking sites from the Greek Orthodox Church and from Christians,

00:08:00.560 particularly the land around it? 1.00

00:08:01.700 I mean, how are we allowing that?

00:08:02.700 We just call them up and say, hey, you want the $10 billion?

00:08:05.780 You've got to turn the land back over to this monastery that's been around

00:08:10.020 for over 1,000 years.

00:08:12.560 It's got to be hands-off, and the Holy Family Trail is going to be turned 0.99

00:08:15.160 back over to the Greek Orthodox Church, and we want the thing cleaned up,

00:08:18.340 protected, and security.

00:08:19.820 And don't tolerate any BS when they come back with it.

00:08:22.560 Why are we not doing that?

00:08:24.580 Well, that's exactly it, Steve.

00:08:26.440 You know, when you listen to any of these experts and analysts who speak at these conferences,

00:08:30.740 going way back since I've been attending them for like 15 years,

00:08:33.700 the number one thing that they always want to do is have the U.S. government pressure the nations that they give money to.

00:08:41.120 In this case, as you point out correctly, Egypt.

00:08:43.700 Okay? 1.00

00:08:44.020 And the fact is they don't.

00:08:45.560 They'll never say one word about this because you know if they did, it's such a minor thing.

00:08:52.000 they're not going to the egyptian government in this case would comply because it's such a minor

00:08:56.320 thing they're not going to risk those billions of dollars for that but it's ultimately a

00:09:00.740 testimonial to just how indifferent and apathetic most u.s governments and administrations are when

00:09:06.420 it comes to even speaking up on behalf of christians who are being persecuted because

00:09:10.660 it's already there we don't have to do a first crusade uh you know we don't have to send war 1.00

00:09:16.440 or send warriors because the Egyptians, the Muslims are abusing 1.00

00:09:21.840 and taking advantage of Christians, and there's nothing we can do 0.99

00:09:24.460 except go to war. 0.86

00:09:25.280 Actually, it's very simple, and it's just part of the package.

00:09:28.340 We're already paying you, and the least you can do is be civil 0.76

00:09:32.120 and treat these religious Christian minorities.

00:09:34.780 But why is that not happening now?

00:09:36.360 You've got all these major players from the administration.

00:09:38.160 Why is the Egyptian government, particularly their under, okay,

00:09:41.760 the Egyptian government is underwritten by the United States of America

00:09:44.500 and the Saudis. And the Saudis do it because the United States tells them, hey, you got to do it.

00:09:48.400 You got to have stability. This thing collapses. I think Egypt's got, what, 80? How many? Is that

00:09:53.760 100 million or over 100 million people that Egypt has? Yeah, over 100. Over 100, yeah.

00:09:59.200 And it's huge amounts of young people, you know, under 25 years old. Egypt's economy,

00:10:05.320 it's always been kind of the sick man as far as economically among the Arab nations. It's 1.00

00:10:10.240 finance basically in the West. We shouldn't tolerate any of this. Is this message getting

00:10:15.260 through, or is this why you've got the Coptic 26? Yeah. The message, look, the message is 1.00

00:10:25.260 understood by everyone who cares and who's advocating for this, but apparently the people

00:10:30.680 who are in charge, who can include in their package stipulations regarding not mistreating

00:10:37.500 their Christian minorities and, you know, hands off the St. Catherine Monastery and the Holy

00:10:43.020 Family Trail, obviously they're not doing it. That's the whole issue. If we could just get them 0.98

00:10:47.120 to put it in as part of the package, but it's just not worth it. They don't want to jeopardize

00:10:52.580 whatever deal they have. That particular factor is just not worth it. So that really underscores

00:10:59.040 how different the mentalities are of so-called Christians in the West in the 21st century 0.97

00:11:04.880 compared to their forebears.

00:11:09.000 For this aspect of it, where do people go?

00:11:11.260 I want people to get as much information,

00:11:12.840 particularly about St. Catherine's Monastery,

00:11:15.060 the Holy Family Trail.

00:11:16.040 You'll learn a lot. 0.80

00:11:16.680 You'll learn about the Desert Fathers.

00:11:19.100 You'll learn about the church.

00:11:20.100 Our church came out of the desert, right?

00:11:21.860 It's very important. 1.00

00:11:23.040 In the first century Christianity

00:11:24.560 up to the middle of the second century 0.53

00:11:26.760 was quite different than it is today. 0.99

00:11:29.160 It was very much a desert religion. 1.00

00:11:31.620 And it behooves us. 1.00

00:11:34.000 I tell people that St. Augustine, I think arguably the greatest of all the thinkers in the early church of the church fathers, was a Berber, right?

00:11:42.700 North African. He was a Berber. 1.00

00:11:47.200 And all the great church fathers in North Africa were North African, right? 0.99

00:11:53.620 Well, the chief articular of the Nicene Creed, the chief articular of the Nicene Creed, which all Christian denominations still now profess, was an Egyptian, Athanasius.

00:12:03.440 Yes. No, but we've got to know that history, and we've got to defend that heritage. Where do people just go for this?

00:12:10.980 Yeah, I think this organization, Coptic Solidarity, if you go to their website, they have a lot of resources, a lot of actual special reports, some of which I write myself, exclusive reports that deal with all of these topics, including the St. Catherine Monastery and the Holy Family Trail.

00:12:28.480 And there's petitions people can sign and ways to actually get involved in this, in helping set this wrong to right.

00:12:35.800 so let's pivot to uh the uh our subject for today is the first crusade we we we got the the call of

00:12:44.120 the crusade last time now the crusade is that it's been kicked around did the families it was

00:12:50.120 really a norman correct me if i'm wrong it's really a norman adventure they were the tip of

00:12:54.380 the spear with the norman families is this that they get motivated to do this that they have an

00:13:00.240 economic reason to do it i mean people don't realize the normans had already conquered i think

00:13:04.200 sicily uh malta uh i mean they're they're they're just not up it's just not vikings meeting french

00:13:11.320 girls in northwest uh northwest france these guys really spread out uh why did they why did

00:13:18.900 they go get the message to them first and did they embrace it they most certainly embraced it

00:13:25.620 and um i think because it was widely understood that the normans were essentially the ultimate

00:13:30.340 warrior aristocracy of Europe at the time, for the reasons that you mentioned. They were highly

00:13:34.820 active. They still maintained that sort of adventurous Viking spirit that saw the Vikings

00:13:39.340 go all over the place, but now through a sort of Christian paradigm and a Christian mentality. So

00:13:44.540 they were still fierce warriors, but they did it in the name of, on behalf of, and in defense of

00:13:50.800 Christendom. So I think that's why they were frequently targeted, and, you know, these messages

00:13:57.100 also very much resonated with them. And this was also a little bit after the popes had decreed,

00:14:03.300 you know, the peace, these peace treaties amongst Christians where, you know, in certain days you

00:14:11.200 can't fight. And so all this martial energy that had hitherto been, you know, exhausted on each

00:14:17.900 other because they were violent people was now kind of marshaled and directed towards a just

00:14:23.340 cause as it was seen, the First Crusade, which is helping these Christians who are being persecuted,

00:14:28.780 as we discussed in the previous episode, which was beyond horrific. You know, just earlier today,

00:14:33.420 I was looking over some notes, and I know I've many times regaled you with all the atrocities

00:14:38.720 that were being committed right before the First Crusade. And looking again at my notes and my

00:14:43.640 books, they're so much worse. You know, just the sheer amount, the horror, the actual widespread

00:14:49.240 amounts of savagery is mind-boggling. And so this is why it made sense that both the Normans and

00:14:57.280 among them, the Franks, of course, and the Franks is more of a generic term. And sometimes people

00:15:01.840 conflate the Normans with them, even though they are, of course, a separate group. But the Franks

00:15:06.200 is generally, you know, Francia, the French, but also all these other nations near them, Belgium

00:15:11.320 was conflated with them. Sometimes the Germans were seen as Franks as well. So that's why the

00:15:16.780 sources, both Muslim and frequently, even the Latin sources just talk about the Frankish people,

00:15:22.740 but definitely the spearhead was very oftentimes the Normans, and that comes out very clearly,

00:15:27.980 especially in the First Crusade. In the First Crusade, how do we get from motivated in the

00:15:33.940 speech in the field, you're up near where World War II invasion took place, you're in Normandy,

00:15:39.040 and how do you go from there? Constantinople, which made the call for help, is a long ways away,

00:15:45.440 And Jerusalem, if you're taking a land route around and not going by sea, is even further.

00:15:50.960 Tell me about the logistics.

00:15:52.140 How did they get started?

00:15:53.200 How did they get moving?

00:15:54.540 And were they going to go by sea and do a direct assault upon the Holy Land?

00:15:59.040 Or were they going to take the long way away and stop in Constantinople and actually really meet our allies for the first time?

00:16:09.260 Yeah, well, if you talk about the Crusades in general, it was often both.

00:16:12.360 And frequently later crusades were mostly seaborne adventures from Europe, possibly because they learned from the first crusade, which was all by land.

00:16:21.440 And it was just very exhausting and tiring.

00:16:24.360 You can imagine these are pilgrims, most of them unhorsed, walking thousands of miles from the middle of Europe, let's say, all the way to Constantinople.

00:16:34.000 And, yeah, the overwhelming majority of the first crusaders, I think all of them actually was by land.

00:16:39.080 and they went there and just you know by the time they got to constantinople it was already they've

00:16:44.280 been through all sorts of you know violence sometimes they provoked it because they didn't

00:16:49.600 have enough food and not enough resources and their logistics had failed um you know the the

00:16:55.460 people's crusades which is often you know highly condemned which preceded the it's part of the first

00:17:00.780 crusade but it happens very soon after the call at clermont by urban the second which we were

00:17:05.480 referencing. And, you know, they're the ones who we often hear went and started causing, you know,

00:17:10.820 chaos in the Rhine, attacking Jews, plundering, even fighting with fellow Christians. 0.95

00:17:16.280 Tell about that. That was the people's crusade. It was a Peter, Peter the Hermit, I think was the

00:17:21.820 Charles Crusade. This crusade was not organized along military lines with either the Franks or

00:17:28.740 the great Norman families. This is just people that got so motivated by the call that they,

00:17:34.400 and they started out they started out first correct and they're going to hoof it yes yeah

00:17:39.760 these were just very enthusiasts and you know it was often before we called it the people's crusade

00:17:44.640 was known as the peasants crusade so these were essentially peasants not part of the military class

00:17:49.520 uh who just got so inflamed with ardor hearing what's going on and uh taking it as a pilgrimage

00:17:56.080 they just they were the very first to take off and many people warned them not to and to wait for the

00:18:01.680 Because the professional armies needed time, of course, to get themselves together and raise resources and properly prepare because they know what war is.

00:18:10.220 Whereas the Peasants Crusades, it was just, you know, it was an act of extreme enthusiasm.

00:18:16.400 And they took off unprepared and very often, yeah, with Peter the Hermit, often he was their leader.

00:18:21.740 But there was also another one, I think Walter something.

00:18:24.860 And apparently he's one of the ones who, along the Rhine, when they were starving and there was no—because they didn't plan correctly and they left early.

00:18:33.960 They started basically saying, you know, why are we traveling all this distance to fight the Christ-haters, the infidels over there when they're right here, was his argument, basically, in reference to the Jews.

00:18:46.240 And so they attacked them, killed them, plundered them.

00:18:49.940 But it's notable, we should keep in mind, because many people always—this is the one instance that almost everyone knows about when we talk about the crusade and is always thrown out to basically discredit it.

00:18:59.720 But you have to keep in mind that the pope himself and the clergymen actually called it out, banned it, punished, and even anathematized many of the people who were involved in this, and when they could, would offer protection to the Jews.

00:19:13.360 So we can't say that that was part—it was definitely part of it.

00:19:17.060 It was a human aspect that went awry, but it was never sanctioned.

00:19:20.740 It was not seen as a good thing.

00:19:21.960 It was condemned officially by the church.

00:19:25.400 So that's important to keep in mind.

00:19:27.500 But again, it's a reflection of how unprepared and just this is not a warrior class.

00:19:32.620 It's just zealot people who are traveling and who have no money, who have no food and are getting desperate and figured, well, we're going to attack these rich Christ killers as it comes out in the sources.

00:19:44.680 the um whether it's the peasants crusade first or the or the real bulk of the army the the first

00:19:55.320 crusade if you don't go by sea you've got to go down through the balkans the the little towns

00:20:01.660 and villages and hungary and these other places are not uh you know what is yugoslavia i guess 0.74

00:20:06.700 they're not prepared for this there was a lot of consternation and and some of these crusaders

00:20:14.060 I mean, these were rough folks, right? I mean, these were warrior class. And they had, at first,

00:20:20.060 I think some of the times they were greeted favorably by towns. They were looking forward

00:20:24.940 to it. They were very enthusiastic about this. But after the word got that these guys would,

00:20:30.000 hey, kind of like take what they needed and, you know, we'll give you a Confederate dollar to pay

00:20:34.960 for it. They're not exactly giving you gold or silver. People started saying, hey, we got to

00:20:40.820 hide from these guys when they come and that word got to constantinople right that uh what they had

00:20:46.060 called for showed up which was a bunch of tough hombres but tough hombres being what they were

00:20:52.500 in those days they brought a little deal baggage with them right right well when the people's

00:20:59.580 crusade the peasant crusade they were the first to reach constantinople and alexius the emperor

00:21:03.700 he just ferried them over and he basically he warned them actually he told them no wait but

00:21:09.100 you know you can't wait here and they were again very enthusiastic and said no we want to go there

00:21:13.660 so he was like okay it's your head i warned you and he ferried them over and lo and behold they

00:21:17.780 got butchered to a man and uh in fact from the first when the when we say first crusaders we

00:21:23.520 usually do mean the warrior class the real crusade which sets which doesn't even start

00:21:27.520 setting out till 1090s late 1096 early 1097 uh whereas these guys were already right after the

00:21:34.340 call of clormont in 1095 by 1096 i think they were already at constantinople he ferried them over

00:21:40.740 that they just with peter the hermit and some others they were completely butchered to a man

00:21:45.620 and what and the women were enslaved and we have actually descriptions about what happened

00:21:49.460 and uh the first crusaders when they came to nico media which is one of the very first areas that

00:21:53.860 was once you cross from constantinople they actually encountered a massive pyramid of heads

00:21:59.460 and it was the it was the peasant crusaders who had been completely butchered and they made and 0.58

00:22:03.860 And the Turks made a pyramid of their head.

00:22:07.060 But when the first crusaders came, finally, they were definitely the tough hombres that Alexius was taken aback by. 0.77

00:22:14.960 And, you know, he kept parlaying with them, making, you know, trying to convince the leaders, the heads of the crusades, such as Godfrey and Raymond of Toulouse and all these other men to swear a sort of fealty to him.

00:22:29.780 And also to agree that whatever lands they conquer, they give it back to him.

00:22:34.120 And in return, he would give them support.

00:22:36.260 Because remember, the lands that they were entering into Anatolia, Asia Minor, were part of his entire empire.

00:22:42.100 But this is what I want to get the audience to understand.

00:22:45.560 After doing this march across Europe, down through, and you don't have super highways.

00:22:52.180 so you're take you're marching basically an army through unknown territory for them all the way

00:22:58.540 down through the balkans which is you know no easy task fighting a lot where you're going because

00:23:04.540 some of the locals are saying hey look you can't have my stuff they get to constantinople they're

00:23:10.240 not welcome with open arms it's not like hey come in we want to show you the city why don't you

00:23:14.300 we'll pass and review in front of the king they're kept really on the european side correct i mean

00:23:19.820 there's a whole debate about you know what we got to make it these the the head of the byzantines

00:23:26.900 has said um oh my god the the reputation of these guys we can't let him in so there's a whole

00:23:32.540 series of negotiations where they're not embraced correct yes this is true it took a long time uh

00:23:40.120 lots of back and forth lots of parlaying with him until he got some assurances and they got

00:23:44.820 some assurances and i think it's pretty notable that they even agreed to give uh the conquered

00:23:50.420 lands and they did as we will see until according to them and it depends on who you're going to

00:23:55.200 believe but according to the crusaders eventually alexius reneged during i think the siege of

00:24:00.060 antioch which was a little bit later um and so then at that point whatever they conquered they

00:24:05.480 just kept uh but you know honestly from alexius so the story goes is he did call for help uh from

00:24:12.860 the from the franks from the normans from pope urban and but he only expected a sort of highly

00:24:18.340 specialized elite warrior class he did not expect a mass movement this in fact the first crusade is

00:24:25.360 really seen as those kind of puzzling questions about how it became what it became just based on

00:24:31.420 preaching uh from pope urban people like peter the hermit everyone expected at best you know like

00:24:36.840 okay we'll raise an army and that would be the end of it but it became a mass human movement

00:24:41.940 if you look at the sources it literally talks about about a hundred thousand people women and

00:24:46.360 children old people it was it was because it was a pilgrimage it was an armed pilgrimage

00:24:51.140 and so apparently Alexius was not uh expecting that because it was such an overwhelming force

00:24:57.880 they had already created some damage as discussed on their way down to his region to Constantinople

00:25:04.240 and uh but in the end yes he agreed to it they made deals he ferried them over he did bring

00:25:10.220 supplies. And actually, the very first siege, which was Nicaea. So after the first crusaders

00:25:17.000 entered, and they saw the Pyramid of Skulls and Nicopolis, a little bit after they reached Nicaea,

00:25:22.660 where the aforementioned Nicene Creed that I talked about in the year 325 was articulated

00:25:27.900 under Constantine's first ecumenical council. And so Nicaea at this time is now controlled by the

00:25:33.880 Turks. And only recently, it was only recently probably conquered something like 10 years earlier,

00:25:38.280 maybe even less during the Turkish advance.

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00:32:56.600 Rabin, Abraham, they get there.

00:32:58.760 They see the Byzantine government, the folks running Constantinople are not excited about seeing them.

00:33:07.860 Don't they set up when they leave?

00:33:09.700 Because they never really bring them into the city.

00:33:11.320 I think maybe a couple of leaders go in.

00:33:13.320 But when this vast army leaves and swings around and starts going through Turkey, 0.67

00:33:17.300 heading towards uh the holy land are they not ambushed by the saracens are not ambushed by a

00:33:25.360 turkish army i think made up of kurds that it was kind of set up by even some of the guys in

00:33:32.320 constantinople who were in on the take of hey cut us in a piece of this because they are afraid

00:33:38.180 that those guys may eventually turn around and come back and conquer constantinople sir

00:33:43.540 yeah i'm familiar with that um story i think i may be wrong but i think it might be part of the

00:33:49.400 second crusade not the first and um it was an accusation that was made against uh alexius

00:33:55.440 um you know the byzantines have their reverse accusation and um exoneration but it's definitely

00:34:01.660 part of the um the narrative that the crusaders believed in um that uh but i don't think it's in

00:34:08.160 first one the first one the the main the main complaint was that after when they had finally

00:34:14.460 so this is important right when they get there i tell you know i told you they were besieging

00:34:18.800 nicaea and they actually conquered it and on one condition because they were the turks were so

00:34:24.900 terrified they had fought back and the you know these crusaders just had no compunction um the

00:34:30.480 things that they would do the turks were the sorts of things that turks would do but they were not 0.75

00:34:34.780 used to Byzantines doing. So for example, the Franks, after they saw that pyramid of skulls, 0.85

00:34:39.880 and now they besieged Nicaea, they started to actually in their catapults, when they were

00:34:45.240 bombarding Nicaea, hurl the heads of the Turks that they had killed. And they would impale the 0.62

00:34:51.040 Turks and put them in front of them. So in front of the walls of Nicaea. So at the very end, when 0.98

00:34:55.320 they couldn't take it anymore, the Turks agreed to surrender, only on condition that they'd

00:34:59.640 surrender to alexius basically they wanted the crusaders to leave and the crusaders uh you know

00:35:06.020 to their credit agreed to it and they gave nicaea to alexius even though it was their handiwork

00:35:11.240 their siege so up until this point they were still working together and alexius was it was it was it

00:35:17.720 was it could it would be fair to say that the level of violence the norman knights brought

00:35:23.000 uh actually the turks were as tough as you could get kind of shocked even the turks and they knew

00:35:29.060 they had, you know, they weren't dealing with the Byzantine guys anymore, they were dealing

00:35:34.500 with a whole new breed of cat, and these people scared them?

00:35:39.200 Yes, that actually does come out in the sources, it's pretty clear, explicitly and implicitly,

00:35:44.800 that, I mean, there's even anecdotes or speeches allotted to Kerboga, for example, he's one

00:35:51.240 of these Arabags who came to the relief of Antioch here in the First Crusade, and when 0.68

00:35:55.920 he parlayed with the crusaders he basically said we this land is ours we took it from a bunch of 0.90

00:36:00.520 effeminate uh effeminate men in reference to the byzantines um but when you look at what the

00:36:06.040 crusaders were doing they basically you know they it was tit for tat with them they were not going 0.77

00:36:10.420 to be cowed by sort of these sort of terror tactics that the muslims and the turks had long

00:36:15.560 been engaged in the beheading and that sort of thing so they frequently engaged in what you would 0.67

00:36:20.340 what we would call terror tactics beheading the turks and and also interestingly um i know at

00:36:26.420 least one source and i quote in sword and scimitar a contemporary who says they were doing that

00:36:31.300 literally as as a reciprocal treatment because they wanted to give as good as they were getting

00:36:36.020 and uh so they were not going to be cowed by these sorts of terror tactics if anything they

00:36:40.740 just said okay if you want to play that way we'll play that way um so yeah it was definitely a

00:36:45.780 different breed of christian than what the turks have hitherto been used to when you come through

00:36:51.620 turkey you've got you know you enter in the holy land you got syria get lebanon all the way down to

00:36:56.340 israel or judea and eventually jerusalem the target it's not a walk it's not just a pilgrimage

00:37:03.060 it's not a walk in the park you you've got these great cities of christendom that have been you

00:37:07.540 know like antioch and these others you have to go almost major town by major town and have a 1.00

00:37:13.620 a siege you have to take them back because you can't have the turks behind your flank as you 0.96

00:37:18.100 march what it wasn't one of the biggest hang-ups is that the battles they had to fight even before

00:37:23.420 they got to jerusalem in that heat with you know no logistics train surrounded uh in a hostile

00:37:30.060 environment isn't that what kind of drained out the crusaders oh yeah oh yeah that was probably 0.98

00:37:36.400 more uh you know uh harmful to the crusaders the first crusaders than the turks than the muslims 0.85

00:37:42.020 word themselves, nature, essentially. And in fact, right after the, we were talking about the Battle 0.83

00:37:46.840 of Nicaea or the Siege of Nicaea, which they gave to Alexius in 1097, then they continued their march

00:37:52.000 southward through Anatolia. And then one of the greatest battles, the Battle of Dorileum, took

00:37:57.080 place. And this was an ambush by the Turks. And it was their full force. In fact, the sources talk

00:38:02.600 about they had Arabs, they had, you know, Africans, of course, Turks, they had the Kurds. It was a 0.82

00:38:09.400 large muslim force that ambushed and it was supposed to put an end to the first crusaders

00:38:13.680 and that was a really pretty brutal savage battle because uh they were going through a pass very

00:38:18.880 empty pass and they were stretched thin and they came very heavily i believe on the rear guard of

00:38:24.720 the crusaders and um you look at the sources it was again what's really notable about the wars

00:38:30.540 of these first crusades is just the complete the the amazing fortitude of these first crusaders

00:38:35.540 Because as you're mentioning, during all this time, they are traveling, you know, hundreds and thousands of miles.

00:38:42.040 And oftentimes at this point, it's pretty barren region, mountainous region in Anatolia, where there's no one.

00:38:48.060 And then there's no water and the Turks were poisoning whatever water there was hard to find food.

00:38:53.740 So this so the travails that they experienced just from nature, you know, from hunger and famine and thirst and disease and pestilence,

00:39:01.680 That itself really took out probably more crusaders than the actual Turks did.

00:39:08.140 Yeah, it's Siege of Antioch, others.

00:39:10.380 Tasso, the great poet of, I think Italian poet of the Middle Ages, wrote this magnificent epic poem like the Iliad called Jerusalem Delivered.

00:39:20.080 Talk to me about when they finally, after Antioch and all these sieges, these horrible conditions of the heat, they got all their armor.

00:39:27.980 they're not meant they're meant to fight up in northwest france not in the deserts of uh of uh

00:39:34.780 of the holy land when they get to jerusalem talk to us about because the first crusade

00:39:39.100 is the one that delivered the goods they did take back the holy city of jerusalem

00:39:45.580 well if i have a few minutes there's a lot more important stuff actually uh jerusalem is certainly

00:39:49.900 the climax but uh after this battle dory lamb and the sufferings that they go through

00:39:54.780 Two notable things happened. One, the first actual conquest is the county of Edessa, which Baldwin, the brother of Godfrey, actually conquers.

00:40:03.520 And how he does it is very interesting because the Christians, the indigenous Christians, primarily Armenians, Syrians as well, who were living there, were so oppressed by the Muslims that when these newcomers from the West came and everyone was just startled by their very appearance, these giants in metal and iron walking around, but they noticed that they had crosses everywhere. 0.60

00:40:24.640 cross banners. And so these indigenous Christians, recognizing that mutual symbol, the cross,

00:40:33.320 would go up to them and throw themselves at their feet, kiss their feet, and just see them as their

00:40:38.100 deliverers. So they often help them, including in the conquest of Edessa. And so that's really

00:40:43.660 important to keep in mind, because oftentimes, you know, I've read a lot of historians who make

00:40:48.760 it sound like, oh, everything was fine in the Holy Land. Christians weren't suffering at all.

00:40:52.040 In fact, it permeates the sources about how all these Christians, wherever they were, Maronites in the mountains, when they'd find these men from the West come, always went to them and swore fealty and helped them, gave them food, gave them logistical help and advice and whatnot.

00:41:08.440 So I think that's very important.

00:41:09.560 And then the second thing is the siege of Antioch, which was in 1098, and that one was in many ways seen as more dramatic even than Jerusalem because that one was so long, so prolonged, and again, famine.

00:41:21.700 The crusaders were reduced to eating their own leather shoes, drinking their horses' blood, really desperate stuff.

00:41:29.360 And the walls of Antioch, Antioch was one of the—Antioch is where the word Christian was coined according to the book of Acts.

00:41:35.980 So it really was an important place for Christians to reconquer.

00:41:40.700 And long story short, they did manage to get it after, I think, eight grueling months where so many more Christians died.

00:41:46.340 Again, it's a testimony to their fortitude.

00:41:49.200 And again, the Christians who were living in Antioch helped them.

00:41:52.620 In fact, apparently the man that helped threw a rope and had them climb in at night through a tower is believed to have been an Armenian who had been forcibly converted to Islam.

00:42:03.320 and his wife had been seduced and taken by the ruler, the Muslim ruler,

00:42:07.060 and he was very bitter and vengeful.

00:42:09.720 And then after that, finally, you know, so many crusaders are dead.

00:42:13.960 So many had already quit.

00:42:15.420 So many and others stayed in Antioch.

00:42:17.880 And then finally, under primarily the leadership of Godfrey,

00:42:21.220 a very small band, finally went to the final goal,

00:42:24.680 which is the taking of Jerusalem.

00:42:28.200 And they went there, again, very grueling, very brutal.

00:42:31.980 it's just imagine it's so hard to imagine the life of these men these first crusaders it's just

00:42:36.680 non-stop war with no food no drink uh you know just the bare necessities if that and and enemies

00:42:45.580 from everywhere and at the same time you just see all the faith that they have uh you know someone

00:42:50.680 like godfrey during all this time he still kept a group of monks around him so he can celebrate mass

00:42:56.160 like every day um you know and that's what kept him going uh the battle of antioch which i didn't

00:43:01.560 even mention right after they conquered Antioch the crusaders a very large Muslim force came

00:43:06.580 it's the one I mentioned under Kerboga he was the Atabeg of Mosul and that that should have

00:43:12.120 been the end of it because they had just been besieging Antioch now they finally got in and 1.00

00:43:16.180 then the day later something like 40,000 Muslims come and there's no food in Antioch because the

00:43:21.400 Muslims there had already finished it during the siege and at that point the Christian just said 0.99

00:43:25.340 okay we're gonna die but we're gonna do one final sally we're gonna go out and give it our best 1.00

00:43:29.680 they were like outnumbered maybe something like one to seven and the other guys the muslims are

00:43:34.360 rested and well fed and these guys as i told you have been through what they have been through 0.99

00:43:38.500 they came out and fought like utter madmen again to the point that the muslims couldn't even believe 0.94

00:43:44.460 it the the descriptions of the crusaders are just they're fighting and they look like porcupines 0.97

00:43:48.500 they literally say that in the sources because of all the arrows sticking out of them and they're

00:43:53.180 still fighting most of them had no horses because they had eaten their horses already and they're

00:43:57.420 on foot and they would kill and defeat muslims and take their horses uh so really amazing stalwart 0.50

00:44:03.200 stuff and uh yeah then it culminates with the conquest of jerusalem i think around july 15 1099

00:44:10.340 and very similar same same same dynamic that i've been describing uh goes on it's it's prolonged

00:44:16.980 not as long as antioch actually and because at the time jerusalem wasn't that well prized or

00:44:21.720 well cared about that became an important place for muslims later on for symbolic reasons but

00:44:26.620 Even then, Antioch was a greater loss, actually, for the Muslims at the time. 0.98

00:44:32.080 And, yep, so they finally got it.

00:44:34.060 They finally mission accomplished.

00:44:36.400 And it's just amazing.

00:44:38.540 It's amazing by today's standards when we think about warfare and what drives men to war and what they fight for.

00:44:44.920 And just what these guys fought for was something so transcendent, it's hard to actually comprehend with our modern minds to see how it drove them to these amazing feats.

00:44:54.240 what was the the motivational force were they doing spiritual exercises were they

00:45:01.500 constantly having mass said were they uh having confessions and and or yeah the holy eucharist

00:45:08.080 what because when you read this it's all it's so unbelievable given the conditions given the

00:45:13.340 hostility given how far from home you are given how you're losing um uh you know compadres every

00:45:22.160 day, or some are just quitting and getting a boat, and they're not going to march back there

00:45:27.160 and take a boat and get to Italy. The ones that were there at the end are such heroes of such

00:45:33.380 scale. How did they do it? What was the motivating force that drove these against all odds to deliver

00:45:40.100 Jerusalem? I would argue it was love, believe it or not, because that's what they said. That's what

00:45:46.720 the sources show, that they actually were trying to follow Christ's commandment, which is love God

00:45:51.580 with all your mind and your heart and love your fellow man. And both were under extreme assault.

00:45:56.780 The Holy Land, the Holy Sepulchre had been destroyed even earlier, was again under attack.

00:46:01.920 And, you know, sacred sites is something very important to Christians back then,

00:46:05.520 just like it is today to Jews and Muslims, not Christians anymore, apparently. So it was very

00:46:10.660 important to go and recover the Holy Sepulchre because it was being desecrated and all the other

00:46:14.960 churches. So that was their expression of love for God, but also love for their fellow man,

00:46:20.180 the other Christians who were under assault, who were being killed. This is why these Christians,

00:46:24.280 as I said, when the crusaders did appear, went and threw themselves at their feet and thanked them.

00:46:29.120 Okay, so believe it or not, it was a very muscular kind of love, not the sort of love that, you know,

00:46:33.760 some sentimental, cloying kind of love that we talk about now. And that, I believe, is what

00:46:38.040 actuated them and, you know, kept them going as long as they could to engage and perform these

00:46:45.280 is essentially supernatural acts when you read them and you see what they were able to accomplish

00:46:50.420 with nothing literally no food even um and their fight and they're something you know they're

00:46:55.440 carrying from the sea carrying on their back for miles lumber so they can build uh catapults and

00:47:02.000 without food and with pestilence it's just really amazing you know what the human spirit can do when

00:47:06.940 it actually has something meaningful to fight for um i want to hold i want to hold and give the

00:47:14.640 details of actually the siege of Jerusalem. We'll come back to that, do a whole hour on that because

00:47:18.480 it's so unbelievable. Before I let you go, given the conference you're at today, given your

00:47:23.940 writings, all that, what are the lessons of the first crusade for young men you think in Christendom

00:47:31.200 today? Well, the lessons are, you know, times were really bad. Christians were under assault.

00:47:39.200 You know, there was all kinds of attacks, explicit, implicit attacks, inside, subversive

00:47:46.060 attacks, external attacks.

00:47:47.900 And this goes actually to my idea of the two swords of Christ, which we'll talk about

00:47:51.460 another time, how, you know, the Christians had to fight spiritual warfare, subversive

00:47:55.880 warfare, but also physical warfare. 0.90

00:47:58.520 And those Christians of the time, like I said, were very much actuated by the commandments 0.80

00:48:02.180 of Christ.

00:48:03.440 And, you know, the concept of love that they had is not what we have.

00:48:06.920 Like I said, we have this weird sentimental, it's like a feeling.

00:48:10.140 To them, love is what love really means, which is willing the good for the other.

00:48:14.340 And so I'm going to sacrifice myself for the love of the other so I can relieve the other from what he's suffering.

00:48:20.720 And I think that sort of thing was so motivating.

00:48:23.580 I think it would be motivating today to people if that's actually what they were fighting for.

00:48:28.300 Of course, our wars today have nothing to do with that.

00:48:30.960 And so I think the lesson is that when you actually have a true motivation, a true goal, something that's pious, something that's good, something that really jibes with the human spirit, you can do all sorts of things as long as it's there.

00:48:44.940 And, you know, nowadays, I don't think we have those kinds of motivations as much anyway.

00:48:51.280 Where do they get your three books? 0.78

00:48:52.840 Sword and Scimitar gives us the whole conflict between Islam since its rise and Christendom. 0.97

00:48:59.060 You've got Defenders of the West, which talks about these amazing figures, Richard the Lionheart, all the different, Godfrey of all the Crusades. 0.97

00:49:08.300 It's just incredible.

00:49:09.360 And then you've got the Two Swords of Christ, which are the military orders.

00:49:14.760 So I tell people, read all three of them, and you can start with any one.

00:49:18.760 They're all magnificent.

00:49:20.280 Where do they get your writings?

00:49:21.500 Where do they get your articles, Raymond?

00:49:23.320 because you're doing a tremendous public service

00:49:25.780 by writing these books like novels.

00:49:28.900 They're all page turners.

00:49:31.740 Thank you, Steve.

00:49:32.560 I appreciate that.

00:49:33.640 You know, all three books can,

00:49:35.000 you can get them easily on Amazon.

00:49:36.500 That's the easy place

00:49:37.480 or any other online bookstores.

00:49:39.000 Some bookstores like Barnes & Noble's

00:49:40.540 actually walk in and they'll have

00:49:42.140 at least usually stored in Scimitar they'll have.

00:49:44.640 And so you can get them there.

00:49:46.540 You can get them from my website.

00:49:47.880 You can get a signed copy,

00:49:49.020 which helps me out,

00:49:50.740 helps my website out as well.

00:49:52.380 Just go there.

00:49:53.120 You can get it there.

00:49:54.280 And also my writings, you can get them on my Substack,

00:49:56.780 which is just my name with Substack.

00:49:58.700 And also I have a YouTube channel.

00:50:00.180 I'm trying to now reach the younger generation

00:50:02.380 by putting all this information in video formats

00:50:05.220 and doing it that way.

00:50:07.780 That's amazing.

00:50:09.360 Raymond, I hope you had a great conference.

00:50:11.260 We want to get more information about that.

00:50:12.900 We'll promulgate it and push it all out.

00:50:14.400 And thank you for taking time away in D.C.

00:50:17.120 to come by the warrior himself

00:50:19.220 and walk us through the First Crusade.

00:50:21.060 We'll do a whole hour on just the taking of Jerusalem the first time.

00:50:25.360 So it's such an incredible story that it's just unbelievable.

00:50:28.960 The Tasso's poem, Jerusalem Delivered, I recommend to anybody.

00:50:32.080 You think that all the epic poems are just like the Iliad and the Odyssey or the Aeneid.

00:50:37.540 It's not.

00:50:37.940 They've got one about the first crusade, Jerusalem Delivered.

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00:50:42.020 Appreciate you being here.

00:50:43.060 Thanks very much, Steve.

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Bannon's War Room - June 09, 2026

WarRoom Battleground eP 1027： The Current Crusade For The Christian Faith

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