Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 1030： GIDEON ROSE, Author Of How Wars End, Explains His Thesis “Similar Wars End In Similar Ways”

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00:00:47.940 Friday 12th of June, Anno Domini, 2026.

00:00:54.820 Hanwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.

00:00:58.320 Well, one of the things I really do enjoy when I'm presenting the show

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00:01:12.780 Very occasionally, not every Friday evening,

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00:01:42.500 First, however, we have tapped for you this evening Gideon Rose, who is an associate senior fellow at, hold your breath folks, clutch your pearls here, at the Council on Foreign Relations, who's writing in Foreign Affairs, which is, as Steve Bannon often says on The Morning Show, it is the world's most prestigious and informed magazine, quarterly magazine, on foreign events.

00:02:12.500 So Gideon, thanks for coming on the show. You've put out an absolutely corker of an article, which I have read and underlined in many places. Iran as Vietnam, Ukraine as Korea. And you sort of point some of the similarities in a very strategic and structural way.

00:02:32.900 and your analysis on this the reason why you've done this is because you have written a book and

00:02:38.060 i'll give the link to that at the end of the show how wars end and it's essentially your thesis that

00:02:44.080 if you understand what the structures are of these similarities if policy makers understand that then

00:02:50.280 you have a better insight as to how these uh things might conclude and that's why i think

00:02:56.160 you've written the book that's why you've written this article um why don't you just start off

00:03:00.720 perhaps uh and go through because we've got 20 or so minutes to do this go through perhaps um let's

00:03:07.700 start with um your thesis that iran is vietnam uh and ukraine as as korea we'll do that

00:03:16.840 afterwards just go through if you wouldn't mind this is what your article does so well the

00:03:23.040 narrative here of exactly how the united states found itself in vietnam um and wasn't really able

00:03:30.460 And you sort of mentioned the five steps here, entry, escalation, frustrated stalemate, negotiations, and then finally extrication.

00:03:41.000 And I know you're going to paint this picture with a light brush.

00:03:45.660 You're not going to be too heavy on saying, OK, so this maps totally to the present day.

00:03:51.700 But I think the thesis is interesting.

00:03:53.320 Steve often mentioned this, has done from the beginning on February the 28th, the parallels.

00:03:58.620 I'd like to hear your perspective here. Perhaps start off with exactly, as I was saying, how America found itself in Vietnam and how it wasn't able to extricate itself, even though it tried to de-escalate strategy. Gideon, the microphone is yours.

00:04:15.940 Great. Thanks for being here. The basic point that I try to make is that there's a structure to reality that's independent of us. And if you're a policymaker, you are trying to change the world from where it is, but you have to deal with where it is in order to change it accurately.

00:04:36.080 Because if you try to bump up against a structure that can't be changed, you're not going to be successful.

00:04:43.580 And what happened in Vietnam was that the local government we were supporting, the non-communist government in the south of Vietnam, was not particularly effective, was not particularly beloved, was not particularly strong.

00:05:01.000 And there was a communist movement and a local insurgent sort of handmaiden of that in the north and in the rural areas of the south that was more motivated, probably better led than our South Korean allies, sorry, South Vietnamese allies, and was gaining ground.

00:05:23.280 And so when Lyndon Johnson came into power after the assassination of both President Kennedy and the assassination of President Diem in Vietnam, the question was, what should the United States do?

00:05:41.160 Because if you did nothing, it looked like the South Vietnamese would ultimately lose their local civil war, that the North Vietnamese and their guerrilla allies in the South would ultimately beat the non-communist South Vietnamese regime.

00:06:04.820 And so the Johnson administration decided to keep American policy the same, which was make sure that South Vietnam didn't fall to the communists, but they didn't really have a good answer for how to do that in the long run.

00:06:24.440 So what they adopted was a policy of give help to South Vietnam, help them fend off the attacks from the North, and hope that in the long run, that would be enough to get the North to cease and desist.

00:06:41.900 So at the very start, we sent advisors and aid. And that went okay, but it didn't really

00:06:51.780 help the South win. And the North just kept coming. And so we ended up bombing. And we

00:07:00.860 ended up sending U.S. troops in first to protect the airfields from which we were bombing,

00:07:05.660 and then to engage in fighting itself.

00:07:09.800 And again, the hope was we would use our power 0.72

00:07:14.240 to frustrate the North and the communists 0.53

00:07:17.220 and help the South,

00:07:19.060 and that that would eventually lead to a Southern victory

00:07:22.680 and preserve the South's independence.

00:07:26.860 But the North kept coming,

00:07:29.040 and we kept matching and upping our involvement.

00:07:35.660 And after several years, we had half a million troops. 0.71

00:07:41.460 We were bombing the hell out of the North.

00:07:45.620 And yet, it still wasn't enough to get the North to stop.

00:07:50.880 And at this point, we didn't really know what to do.

00:07:55.200 And so the Johnson administration basically finally said,

00:08:00.440 our strategy isn't working, but we don't know what's going to work and we're not going to

00:08:06.660 lose or we're willing to walk away. So I'm just going to cap it where it is. Johnson in 68

00:08:12.500 essentially says, we're going to unilaterally pause our bombing. We're going to keep fighting.

00:08:18.880 We're not going to give in, but we're going to also start some negotiations. I'm going to withdraw

00:08:24.220 off from politics, not run for another term, and kick the can to my successor. That turns out to

00:08:30.460 be Richard Nixon, who along with Henry Kissinger inherits war leadership in early 1969, and

00:08:39.400 basically tries to do the same thing, but it doesn't work. And so he's faced with a problem

00:08:47.100 very similar to what we have sort of now a little bit, which is we have a strategy that's not really

00:08:53.880 seeming to work but we don't really know what to do differently so to use your schema the mapping

00:09:00.640 would be what you've just described through then is the entry part we're not necessarily really at

00:09:06.400 the escalation uh full-on at the moment but when the entry a little bit of escalation um in order

00:09:14.240 to know because you have a reputation to to defend obviously and into the sort of uh the frustrated

00:09:20.300 stalemate part right and then of course with kissinger there's the idea okay what we've got

00:09:25.300 to do is basically bomb the hell out of them and amp up the escalatory aspects now before we go

00:09:32.040 on to that would you just give me sort of just two minutes as i say paint with a light brush on this

00:09:37.080 one but give me just just map the the the concept the concepts here if you wouldn't mind to the

00:09:43.480 present Iran situation, up to the present point transpired? After last year's attacks by the

00:09:50.900 United States and Israel on the Iranian nuclear program, there was a lot of damage done. But the

00:09:57.160 Iranians were rebuilding their conventional military defenses and their missile programs.

00:10:05.740 And the United States and Israel worried in early 2026 that if we didn't do anything, the Iranians would get to the point where they could ultimately have a shield around their nuclear program that would enable them to restart their nuclear program that would ultimately enable them to be a major power in the region, threaten Israel, threaten us, do other things, etc.

00:10:33.280 And so in that sense, there was a similarity in the sense that the trends were against us. 0.71

00:10:39.740 And in order to halt those trends, the United States and Israel attacked in February.

00:10:47.100 And the idea, there were multiple potential goals.

00:10:50.580 We still don't know the whole story. 0.79

00:10:52.400 But at the minimum, the idea was knock them back militarily, what the Israelis call mowing 0.82

00:10:58.340 the lawn. 0.67

00:10:58.780 And at a maximum, it was hoped that your decapitation strike would collapse the regime and end the problem.

00:11:07.020 And so let me just stop you here, because I just the first observation is that both of the primary causes for U.S. involvement here, they're not without merit.

00:11:18.860 But in either case, not with Vietnam, not with the Israeli-American initiation here in Iran.

00:11:28.060 You can make an argument to say both of these things. 0.69

00:11:32.700 There's a logic and a merit to them.

00:11:35.060 Obviously, there are arguments that go against this.

00:11:37.280 You know, you can sort of introduce other factors, perhaps that weren't really being considered in depth at the time.

00:11:43.360 But first off, I've seen military, I've seen military adventurers in the past that have less moral sustenance behind them than this.

00:11:54.280 There was a credible argument to be made.

00:11:57.240 I was personally against it.

00:11:58.860 A lot of the, you know, quite a few commentators were against the February 28th bombing of Tehran, wiping out the Itala and what have you. 1.00

00:12:11.560 But be that as it may, one can recognize the legitimate arguments at that time. 0.62

00:12:17.880 So here you've mapped out the entry, the small scale escalation so far, rather than escalation as a desperate strategy.

00:12:29.140 You've mentioned what you call here the terms frustrated stalemate now.

00:12:33.640 And I would segue from frustrated stalemate into frustrated negotiations to a certain extent.

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00:14:34.980 associate senior fellow at the council on foreign relations the enemy as we often like to

00:14:42.420 throw pot shots richard has whenever we see him on the television um writing getting you you just

00:14:50.020 for folks who are joining us now you've written this incredible article in um the uh foreign

00:14:55.460 Affairs, entitled Iran as Vietnam, Ukraine as Korea. So pick up then where you were saying

00:15:03.720 where we are in the stages now in the Iranian narrative. So when I teach foreign policy to my

00:15:10.480 students, I start with what I call Rose's first law of foreign policy. And Rose's first law of

00:15:16.940 foreign policy is that all policies suck, but some suck more than others. And the job of the 0.97

00:15:23.160 policymaker is basically trying to find the least sucky solution to a problem, given your interests,

00:15:31.080 your capabilities, your objectives, etc. Both Vietnam and Iran posed great problems. 0.83

00:15:42.520 But unfortunately, the world doesn't always have great solutions to the problems it throws at you.

00:15:48.820 And so in both Vietnam and Iran, the trends were going against us, and the question was, do you accept those trends and the losses that would come with it and the further problems that would flow, or do you try to intervene in some way to solve the problem or just to make it a little better?

00:16:09.920 And so what happened in Iran was that we went in trying to either solve the problem at its root by getting rid of the regime, or at least deal a setback to it by knocking back their military and knocking back their ability to strike other people in the region.

00:16:30.080 The administration hoped that the Iranian regime would fall. 0.65

00:16:34.280 It didn't fall.

00:16:35.780 It seems to have dug itself in.

00:16:38.000 And not only that, but it was able to strike back at its regional neighbors, the energy infrastructure of the Gulf, the shipping through the Strait of Hormuz.

00:16:48.820 And so after about a month into the war, the administration, the Trump administration, found itself in a pickle because it had hurt the Iranians. 0.56

00:17:00.700 It had dealt a real blow to their capabilities, but it hadn't knocked the regime out.

00:17:07.060 and the regime had punches that it could still throw. And so each side, we could blow

00:17:14.280 off the face of the earth, but they could also destroy the GCC and the oil in the region, 0.74

00:17:22.220 which we didn't want to have happen. And so both sides realized this isn't particularly going

00:17:27.820 anywhere good for either of us. We don't like what's happening, but we really don't like what

00:17:32.360 might be coming if it escalates further. So let's go into negotiations and see if we can agree to

00:17:38.780 some kind of standoff compromise deal that essentially cuts things back to where they were

00:17:46.900 sort of before. Neither side wanted a compromise. Neither side wanted to give up hopes of victory,

00:17:53.160 but also neither side wanted to suffer the costs of a really major escalation or ongoing war.

00:18:00.800 And so ever since then, you've been having these negotiations under a sort of ceasefire that's basically held in which you're trying to get each side to come to grips with the unfortunate, unpleasant compromises that will probably have to be made in order for this phase of the conflict between the United States and Iran to end and go on to some more normal situation.

00:18:30.540 in which oil can flow out of the Gulf

00:18:32.440 and we can get back to our lives

00:18:35.060 and the gas prices can go down and so forth.

00:18:41.720 First, I want to tip my hat to you

00:18:43.800 because when we reached out to you

00:18:45.700 to get you on the show,

00:18:46.940 it was on the back of this article

00:18:48.520 that you actually published three weeks ago,

00:18:50.680 around May the 20th.

00:18:51.920 It's incredible as we're now discussing

00:18:53.640 the negotiation stage

00:18:56.020 and the headlines that are breaking

00:18:57.620 um every every day right now it is incredible how much what you've written here has mapped out

00:19:03.280 the present situation talking now you know i will ask you just to give me two minutes to

00:19:08.180 finish off the narrative when you were talking about the the negotiation and um extrication

00:19:13.240 stage of um uh of vietnam but whilst we're here on this subject right now in in the current debate

00:19:21.340 about this um ceasefire and some there's some speculation that something might even be signed

00:19:26.280 in geneva this weekend i i don't hold out on that but but that's that's the the present um that's

00:19:33.060 the present buzz going on right now do you foresee and this is like a break in the narrative of what

00:19:39.160 you're saying in the moment but it is a question on my mind just give me a yes or no on this that

00:19:43.060 do you foresee what's going to happen now as an actual move a movement in the short to medium

00:19:50.280 term towards a permanent ceasefire or do you do you envisage on the base of what you're saying

00:19:55.660 a compromised 60-day MOU ceasefire,

00:20:02.460 which will just peter off indefinitely.

00:20:06.220 And as you pointed out in your analysis,

00:20:09.820 both with the Vietnam situation,

00:20:11.780 also with the Iranian situation,

00:20:13.820 leaving the fundamentals that were originally,

00:20:15.800 that sparked off this initiative

00:20:17.520 to far, far further down the road for dealing with.

00:20:22.980 That would be my guess.

00:20:24.280 When Nixon came into power, he first thought, I'm going to achieve the goals that Johnson wanted, full victory, the North backing off, South Vietnam protected, because I've got more balls and I am more threatening and I'm willing to be much tougher than Johnson.

00:20:43.540 And so he threatened, he did the madman theory, he increased bombing and said he's going to increase it more.

00:20:49.180 But ultimately, the North Vietnamese called his bluff. And so Nixon and Kissinger were forced to basically recognize that the ultimate goals they wanted weren't really going to be achievable without a huge investment and escalation that there was no domestic support for.

00:21:07.560 And so they shifted to trying to get out of the war. And so essentially what they crafted

00:21:14.700 was a deal in 1973 in which the United States could walk away, in which we could get our

00:21:21.700 prisoners back, in which the U.S. involvement could basically end, but that the underlying

00:21:29.220 conflict between North and South Vietnam would ultimately keep going. And in fact, ultimately,

00:21:34.840 the North won a couple of years later. Unfortunately, that's probably what we're

00:21:39.520 going to see now, which is the ultimate fate of the Iranian regime is not going to be decided

00:21:46.020 in the next month or so. The ultimate fate of the Iranian nuclear program is almost certainly

00:21:51.820 not going to be decided in the next month or so. But it is possible that we may well get an

00:21:57.500 agreement that allows the opening of the Strait of Pormuz, some kind of controls on the nuclear

00:22:05.400 program, and some kind of end to the immediate round of fighting. And then you end up, in effect,

00:22:13.700 agreeing to continue conflict, low-level conflict, special operations, negotiations, other stuff

00:22:21.000 on these other questions, even as this particular war ends for right now.

00:22:27.500 um one of the things here that you report and i think henry kissinger was both um um national um

00:22:36.540 national security advisor and secretary of state at the same time and seeming yeah that's right

00:22:45.160 that's right that's right um um seemingly then with all that information and all the experts

00:22:53.560 double-hatting as he was at his disposal, he was genuinely amazed. He says, I can't believe

00:23:00.040 that a fourth-rate power like North Vietnam doesn't have a breaking point. And of everything 0.99

00:23:06.020 that you wrote here in this article, you can almost sort of perceive the same incomprehension,

00:23:12.260 if you will, coming out of the administration at the moment. Of course, that was the sparking

00:23:17.320 point, if I've understood the historical points correctly, that was the leap point to then have

00:23:25.180 a serious escalation, which needed to work itself through the system, which we haven't really had

00:23:31.260 in the present iteration of the Middle East conflict right now.

00:23:37.760 Yeah, because it's very, very costly. Look, everybody, not everybody, but many people start

00:23:44.280 wars, thinking it would be relatively easy to use force to achieve political ends.

00:23:52.600 It turns out to be relatively easy to use force, but a lot harder to connect that to

00:23:58.440 the achievement of political ends. 0.64

00:24:01.000 And so you often, you're seeing this in Ukraine, you see it in, again, the North Koreans saw

00:24:06.000 it in Korea.

00:24:07.160 We saw it in Vietnam.

00:24:08.600 We're seeing it in Iran. 0.92

00:24:09.560 the Israelis found it. Hamas found it on October 7th. The Israelis found it when they went back

00:24:16.700 into Gaza. It's often very hard, even if you have a lot of power, to turn that power into a stable,

00:24:24.660 durable political settlement. And ironically, this is one of the things I think that

00:24:30.120 the MAGA movement got sort of correct about Afghanistan and Iraq, which was we had gone

00:24:38.660 into those conflicts, naively thinking that we could achieve results fairly easily and then got

00:24:45.600 stuck. And so thinking carefully about when to engage is often, you know, something that should

00:24:53.780 be done, but rarely is. I quite agree with you again, with that, with your, with your, with your,

00:25:01.340 that's really the America first faction within MAGA, which I think that's spot on.

00:25:08.260 I just want to close here in the final 60 seconds of the show, you close the article here, which I was referring to by suggesting that even if there's some kind of negotiation, which isn't ideal from the US perspective, that doesn't mean the end of American power.

00:25:24.080 And you're saying here, you close by saying there are no guarantees of another of another such geopolitical revival, because you say that after Vietnam, America just grew from strength to strength.

00:25:34.980 But the creative dynamism of American capitalism and the regenerative capacities of American democracy have pulled rabbits out of hats for centuries and are unlikely to stop doing so now.

00:25:48.680 Which I think is a beautiful point to end on.

00:25:51.080 Gideon Rose, very grateful for you to, like Daniel, step into the lion's den, come on to the war room, talk through your thesis with us today.

00:25:58.580 very quickly on social media where do people go to to keep up with your analysis or perhaps to

00:26:04.200 look more uh into the book that you wrote how wars end i post my stuff on linkedin um social media

00:26:11.640 you can just find me on the council's website um look i've got i've got i've got the um the the x

00:26:18.940 uh code is cfr.org stroke expert stroke gideon rose and you're on linkedin as well gideon was

00:26:25.720 very grateful perhaps i might invite you now come back on at a future point we'll reach out

00:26:30.020 talk about the um the korea um the korean analysis the parallels along with ukraine which we also

00:26:38.060 need to dig into getting rose very very grateful for you to come on the show catch up again with

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00:32:29.540 Welcome back.

00:32:34.620 Well, there's really no better way to kick off the weekend on a late Friday evening

00:32:40.620 than talking to one of the most beloved figures in the English patriotic movement,

00:32:46.860 Ryan Bridge, co-founder of Raves the Colors.

00:32:49.920 Always busy, always out there fighting for his love of England.

00:32:56.500 Ryan, welcome, as always, onto the show.

00:32:58.820 you flagged up a number of things that we're going to go through with now and each one of them

00:33:02.900 is more unbelievable than the next but it just shows gives an indication of the absolute decline

00:33:08.660 of the the uk the present uk political class or all iterations of it it's all much of the same

00:33:15.540 um let's start off with because it's so current and we've been covering this quite a lot over the

00:33:21.760 last few days what's going on in belfast one of your colleagues um you were banned you were trying

00:33:27.620 to go over there whilst you were on the runway your your own flight was grounded um you have a

00:33:34.420 colleague over there who's who's is not even coming back to the uk because she's been told

00:33:40.020 she could be arrested what's going on over there yeah hi good to see so thanks for having us on

00:33:46.900 again um so yeah obviously this week's news we've been um the balfast you know it's another

00:33:54.220 that astonishing numbness to us that we're sadly getting used to week by week day by day where

00:34:02.020 um we hear of an unvetted guy who's crossed borders and you know he's bludgeoned somebody

00:34:10.080 they've lost their eye you know we've all seen it on the news how horrendous it was he's tried

00:34:15.040 to cut the man's head off people have talked to the streets and um you know people went to

00:34:20.260 Belfast to support the people off Belfast and Northern Ireland.

00:34:23.820 I myself tried to go over there, and all of a sudden I was literally

00:34:27.960 on the flight, and they said, this flight's going absolutely nowhere.

00:34:31.540 Took us all off, made us wait another four or five hours,

00:34:34.420 another six hours, and then they said Belfast Airport was closed.

00:34:38.500 So it just nulled the wave of people that wanted to support

00:34:45.020 our fellow patriots and just fellow human beings, really.

00:34:50.260 In Belfast, you know, I didn't trust you what happened,

00:34:53.480 but what really alarmed me and what really shocked me is...

00:34:56.000 Sorry, before you talk now about your colleague,

00:35:00.420 let me just underline that.

00:35:02.500 Steve would say, let's not bury the lead here.

00:35:05.440 Is it your suspicion that this flight was both grounded

00:35:11.960 and the subsequent flight cancelled

00:35:14.180 because of the closure of Belfast Airport

00:35:16.320 because they didn't want you and your fellow English patriots

00:35:19.140 to go over to Northern Ireland

00:35:21.120 to offer the moral support of your presence there

00:35:24.380 as Northern Ireland patriots are fighting

00:35:27.680 for their own culture and identity?

00:35:30.340 Is that your thesis?

00:35:31.940 That is my gut feeling.

00:35:36.360 That is my gut feeling.

00:35:37.560 That is my British-English gut feeling

00:35:39.880 that these people knew what was going on

00:35:42.600 and they did not want people coming over.

00:35:46.980 I think they've seen an influx in flights

00:35:48.780 and I think they could see that people were booking up all the flights

00:35:51.700 and I think that old Slippery Starmer

00:35:54.440 has obviously put the nail in that coffin as well

00:35:58.920 so we couldn't go over there and support

00:36:00.380 and I was literally branded in the airport for hours upon end.

00:36:04.380 There was other counter-flash protests that happened

00:36:06.860 all around the UK on that evening.

00:36:11.000 You know, little to none coverage on them as usual

00:36:14.400 and then my colleagues that were over there in Belfast

00:36:17.440 have been told that if they were live-streaming,

00:36:21.340 it's inciting violence, inciting riots,

00:36:24.320 and they can get arrested and get five years in a prison in Belfast

00:36:27.840 that will be remanded in custody straight away.

00:36:31.860 And what's the present situation then of your colleague?

00:36:35.700 So my colleague at the moment is in northern Belfast

00:36:40.380 and is literally sitting it out

00:36:43.760 and is, you know, feeling that she's going to be under arrest.

00:36:47.440 for going to support fellow patriots um the government are very very good at silencing the

00:36:54.360 likes of of the patriot movement they're very very good at silencing the likes of um people that are

00:37:02.080 reporting on these four platforms like yourself and and they don't like it and they don't like us

00:37:08.340 being out there and they don't like us getting the truth out and that's what we're there to do

00:37:12.500 of course they don't like it um because they know that the situation is slipping out of their

00:37:19.760 hands um tell me because we've got a couple of things to go through not very much time to do it

00:37:25.580 tell me um about that the asylum officers being told that they can't wear english flags um because

00:37:34.800 that might and i quote intimidate before we move on to that point sorry before we move on to that

00:37:40.400 point i just want to um reiterate that the morning of that of what's happened the next morning after

00:37:47.880 belfast these guys literally our government i mean literally have spoke to the french the

00:37:57.120 french government have put armed military on the beach commandos with rifles and we've haven't had

00:38:03.560 any crossings so it just proves that when the people did take to the street like they did this

00:38:08.780 week we've had no crossings this week of illegal invaders coming into our country on the small

00:38:13.780 boats it was all designed from the very first moment and that all the phony opposition was

00:38:20.400 only ever performative that fact which i wasn't aware of just underlines it entirely they could

00:38:25.540 have stopped this at any single moment had the political will have been there uh tell me quickly

00:38:31.000 about the asylum officers not being allowed

00:38:35.780 to have England flags? 0.79

00:38:38.040 We call them detention centres.

00:38:39.520 They're five-star hotels with three meals a day.

00:38:42.420 And in those venues, we've got obviously the security guards.

00:38:49.380 Now, the asylum and the human rights for these people

00:38:52.640 have said that the illegal invaders coming in

00:38:55.300 feel threatened by the guards

00:38:59.600 that are wearing just an emblem or, you know, the poppy for Armistice Day

00:39:04.380 or the emblem of Great Britain, and if they're wearing that on their uniforms,

00:39:08.160 they can't wear the badge of their country, a pin badge.

00:39:11.100 So that's now been banned from our country.

00:39:14.300 It's getting that woke and left and out of control.

00:39:17.960 It's unbelievable, Ben.

00:39:20.700 Well, yeah, as I say, they are running scared now,

00:39:24.120 and I've seen a level of anger coming out of Northern Ireland,

00:39:27.380 which i never thought i would see in my lifetime uh people are at breaking point that that is

00:39:32.600 absolutely clear um so the detention centers or the five-star hotels let's call this be honest as

00:39:38.360 you say uh staff there the officers there aren't allowed to wear um england badges because that

00:39:44.360 might and i have to quote this intimidate the invaders who are um staying at taxpayers expense

00:39:51.640 there um but on the same theme as that as we come up now to the world cup certain town councils in

00:39:59.220 england have actually banned the the hoisting of the england flag during the world cup right

00:40:04.880 astonishing it's it's it's just it's a full ban um starmer's trying to say now that you can get

00:40:12.440 two and a half thousand pound fine for sticking an article on a lamppost yeah when star starmer's

00:40:18.280 labour council go out there doing their campaigning they are flooding um areas and and villages in the

00:40:26.400 uk with with banners of vote labour you know vote vote conservative for example those are on the on

00:40:32.960 the lamppost but yeah you fly the flag of your country in your country and they don't like it

00:40:37.800 here they really don't like it it's a it's it's such a shame and i'm absolutely devastated at

00:40:43.120 the way the country's going has there been any popular opposition to the prohibiting of flying

00:40:51.820 the english flag the union jack as we call it either the union jack or the uh the union flag

00:40:58.480 or the english flag has there been any um popular opposition obviously because it's at this moment

00:41:04.860 in time it's the flag of saint george which is the white background with the red cross

00:41:09.060 and that is literally we've just had St George's Day

00:41:13.300 which you guys covered for us

00:41:15.380 and a lot of the St George's Day flags are still up

00:41:19.560 and it looks absolutely beautiful in some parts of the country

00:41:22.760 and we're, you know, normal pubs, beer gardens, event centres

00:41:29.480 are sort of keeping things low key

00:41:32.200 as opposed, I mean this is a World Cup

00:41:34.420 this is, you know, it's the home of football, our country

00:41:37.200 we invented the game um we've only ever hosted it once in 66 the year that we won the thing

00:41:43.920 um you know mexico's had it in their country three times now and and i just think that we

00:41:50.040 are getting that far distance away from our identity of of great britain of england that

00:41:57.960 it's it's just getting out of control we're getting numb to so many things on the way home

00:42:03.180 tonight the motorways um which we've got here three lane motorways there was some guys on there

00:42:09.280 they look like they're from south sudanera treya and they're literally riding down there on push

00:42:14.040 bikes um on line bikes that you know when you put the you put the things in on the line bikes

00:42:19.840 they're riding down the middle of the highway on them it's just like crazy these people are from a 0.98

00:42:24.360 third world and they're bringing their traits into our country and our government are pondering to 0.99

00:42:28.940 this hence the detention centers can't wear a badge of their own country to let these people 0.95

00:42:35.600 know that you're in this country now it's just crazy import the third world become the third

00:42:41.740 world so i'll tell you i'll just list out some of these these um councils that have um prohibited

00:42:49.760 the flying of english flags the flag of saint george as you point out local authorities such

00:42:55.240 as Bristol, Wiltshire, South Gloucestershire have all issued notices on the grounds of,

00:43:07.720 and I quote, these aren't scare quotes, these are actual quotes, community cohesion and health and safety,

00:43:15.960 which just goes to indicate the Alice in Wonderland absolute insanity in the UK right now.

00:43:22.820 Ryan Bridge, stay with us for a moment or two as I give a shout out to the sponsor of the second half of this show and then tell us what you're going to be doing this weekend because it's absolutely fascinating.

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00:44:49.520 Okay, back now to Ryan Bridge. You are involved, sir, in the great coordination of popular anger uprising, and you're going to the heart of the beast in Brighton down on the south coast, a place in the UK where you haven't yet been banned from entering.

00:45:06.560 um and there was like um and there was 20 local organizations or being i say local being shipped

00:45:14.860 in of so-called anti-fascists who are agitating to come in exactly the same place to protest

00:45:21.040 it would seem to me if the local authorities allow this to take place they are deliberately

00:45:25.400 provoking um i think they're deliberately allowing for the incitement of violence there

00:45:30.840 that they can say look look at these guys we need to suppress them tell me what's going on this

00:45:34.960 weekend at brighton folks listening in the uk how do they come down and show up and give you support

00:45:41.140 what's going on please i mean this is the fun part now because we are really looking forward

00:45:46.880 to a carnival peaceful atmosphere nobody from the from the right side of of this country has ever

00:45:53.000 gone through brighton they call it lefty central they call it uh the home of antifa antifa headquarters

00:46:00.000 and all the rest of those names but we're not interested in those types of people we're

00:46:04.060 interested in in our flag our country our togetherness and we want to show the people

00:46:10.020 of brighton that that do that do live under the rules of of you know our country and our flag that

00:46:16.360 we are there for them and that we believe in borders and we don't believe that there should 1.00

00:46:20.980 be open borders and people from the third world walking around our country so we are going to go 1.00

00:46:25.520 there bright and we're going to meet at 12 o'clock at the station um my very good friends there liam 0.99

00:46:30.240 and shana they have put this on there from the southeast patriots and they've invited us from

00:46:35.180 raise the colors down there there's some great speakers going to be down there um we're gonna

00:46:40.000 have siobhan white there who is um the mother of of um rest in peace riannon white who died to the

00:46:47.940 hands of a of a sudanese migrant when he bludgeoned her 23 times with a screwdriver and she's going

00:46:53.260 to be talking about her her journey with her daughter and the campaign to keep her daughter's

00:46:59.100 memory alive due to starmer and our government will not speak to her at all um so we're going

00:47:05.020 to be going down there we're going to be sort of supporting her and the people of brighton and

00:47:07.840 we're going to be we're going to be marching through brighton we're going to be waving our

00:47:10.760 flags we're having a great day and a great time i welcome everybody to come in the uk um and i

00:47:16.600 just think we're going to have a a real good thing but the problem we've got is now these left are

00:47:21.900 counter protesting against what we're doing and this isn't race religion color creed it doesn't

00:47:27.580 matter this is about people that should be in our country and shouldn't be in our country and you

00:47:32.720 can see that brighton hove news are trying to bring people from all fractions of the left wing

00:47:39.480 to come down and go to counter protest against us and we've been reading the comments um you know

00:47:44.900 they want to fill water balloons with urine and paint and throw them at us and this that and the

00:47:49.560 other we're not going to be getting involved in any of that we're just going to be walking through

00:47:52.800 loud and proud uh raising the colors and we're gonna have a great time tomorrow and i'm really

00:47:58.480 looking forward to it hopefully i won't get arrested hopefully i will be able to see this

00:48:03.040 one hey um you know because they seem to just take me off the streets before i do anything

00:48:07.780 ryan i have to say if you do get arrested make sure you've got one of your colleagues

00:48:13.980 videoing it with their phone you worry we're all set up you'll be getting exclusive footage

00:48:17.960 yeah give me some material for next friday um the more the more out right um great actually i hope

00:48:26.720 you don't take don't take this the wrong way i actually hope you get arrested um that's just

00:48:30.600 well i'm sure we can i'm sure somebody will so if they do that we'll buy me and behind me we'll get

00:48:36.940 that sorted but um i just want to see what these loony left lefties are going to be doing to us

00:48:41.720 because for them to come out like this i mean this is the height of summer here in in the uk it's

00:48:46.220 lovely and tomorrow everybody's really looking forward to this one so we're going to go out there 0.87

00:48:51.700 for the people of brighton and jokes aside there's there's a 30 year old vulnerable woman that was

00:48:57.020 led down to the beach by three men that came over unvetted on a small boat dinghy and and they've

00:49:04.180 raped and done done what they had to do with this woman and we're going to go down there to support 1.00

00:49:08.400 people like that to say that these people from the third world shouldn't be in there and you 1.00

00:49:12.080 shouldn't be scared to go on the beach at brighton um and that's what we're doing so we're going to 1.00

00:49:16.960 go down there tomorrow we're gonna have a great time and um we'll see what it brings and hopefully

00:49:22.320 i'm sure we'll get some footage for next friday there make sure you do make sure you do um there's

00:49:29.780 you mentioned the comments in these articles and i wanted to um to come back to having read

00:49:35.760 the articles and the comments myself uh earlier on this afternoon i tell you what ryan what

00:49:41.540 surprised me is the degree there were some left-wing agitators there for sure doing the

00:49:50.120 trolling but there were a lot of people coming out defending you and the principles of your um

00:49:56.180 of your presence in brighton saying that you should absolutely be free to come and protest

00:50:01.520 because a lot of people are upset ordinary we know this is paid we know these people are

00:50:07.080 busking and shifting by the left we know how it goes all across europe and the us and we know that

00:50:12.840 we know that these these people um you know congress together and we'll go to different

00:50:19.440 parts of the uk where we just want to show a bit of unity and love and show that we're all together

00:50:25.020 under the banner of our country um you know and starmer's made the division with uk and the us

00:50:31.400 which is strongly against what anybody from the right side of these countries about and we we

00:50:37.980 just we just want to have a great day but these people will come tomorrow they will antagonize

00:50:42.520 they will have their masks on they will have their their covers um and they will be you know

00:50:48.920 shouting and screaming and bawling and doing what they do and hopefully they don't attack us like

00:50:52.920 they do but we've got to remember that i think that these are the 10 of the uk um it just seems

00:50:59.420 they look a lot bigger yeah and as i was saying the comments are showing uh an unprecedented

00:51:07.840 level of popular support for what you're doing um in mainstream press that shows how engaged

00:51:14.180 people are so once again very quickly we've got 60 seconds where do people go um on social media

00:51:20.440 to find out about your presence in brighton tomorrow what time is it what time do they

00:51:26.200 you need to get the trains to roll in

00:51:28.380 and give you support? Yeah, get the trains

00:51:30.340 to roll in. If you can get to the station, just be

00:51:32.320 very, very careful because of these counter

00:51:34.140 protests. We've heard by

00:51:36.200 from the police, it's going to be very, very lively.

00:51:38.620 We're going to be at Brighton train

00:51:40.060 station at 12 o'clock and we're going to

00:51:42.200 be looking to leave in Brighton

00:51:43.660 at...

00:51:45.200 We're going to be leaving Brighton train

00:51:48.220 station for 12.45. We're going to be

00:51:50.120 marching and then we've got some speakers

00:51:52.060 on after that. We're going to be having a great day.

00:51:53.740 I'm really looking forward to it.

00:51:54.660 And on social, 10 seconds, social media,

00:51:57.060 where do people go to find out more information?

00:51:58.820 Raisethecolors.org.uk.

00:52:00.760 Raisethecolors.org.uk.

00:52:02.420 You can get your merchandise at raisethecolorsofficial.com.

00:52:07.320 I'm going to go on, get my credit card out.

00:52:09.340 I'll make a book.

00:52:09.980 Please, I want to see you jump for next Friday.

00:52:12.980 Ryan Bridge, God bless you.

00:52:14.520 All the best.

00:52:15.240 Hope it goes well.

00:52:16.000 Be in touch with what happens.

00:52:17.380 That's it, Steve.

00:52:18.080 Back in the chair at 10 a.m. tomorrow.

00:52:19.820 My thanks to Rob at Real America's Voice

00:52:21.800 and Vittorio Santifranco for putting this show together.

00:52:25.360 God bless for now.

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