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00:00:48.080 friday 19th of june and no domini 2000 and 26.

00:01:00.700 Hanwell here at the helm on steve bannon's warm folks don't know how he did it made it through

00:01:05.840 to friday evening exhausting week as has been full of events we're going to start off today

00:01:11.520 because the populist nationalist revolution right across the world

00:01:17.780 that fundamentally was inaugurated by Donald Trump's assault

00:01:22.340 on the US political system in 2015-2016

00:01:25.660 has its parallel movements in other countries,

00:01:29.780 one of the leading ones of which is taking place in the UK right now.

00:01:34.520 There was a key by-election, which is, as Americans call,

00:01:37.920 special election yesterday in the UK,

00:01:40.500 And I'm going to, first of all, discuss that and then move on to the wider deterioration in France.

00:01:46.760 I've got Charles Cornish Dale with us.

00:01:48.980 Dr. Cornish Dale, doctor of philosophy, better known to the Twittersphere as raw egg nationalist.

00:02:00.700 Dr. Cornish Dale, very welcome on to the war room.

00:02:05.700 Um, firstly, now I have some takes myself about the Makerfield by election, but I want to hear

00:02:14.140 firstly what your assessment is. Some people are suggesting this is a huge disappointment

00:02:21.460 for Nigel Farage. Um, obviously he didn't win. There was some momentum after the local government

00:02:29.740 elections recently, um, and some anticipation that he was going to win. I never really thought

00:02:35.640 he was actually going to win this one, and I'll tell you why. First of all, you're there in the

00:02:40.500 UK. What's your assessment of this and what it means for the momentum behind reform right now?

00:02:48.160 And then we'll talk about the actual statistics and the breakdown of the results itself.

00:02:53.160 It's great to be back on the war room. Yeah, no, crucial by-election last night in Makerfield,

00:02:58.940 uh manchester area of the uk the north um it's a labor heartland i mean that's that's i think the

00:03:06.420 first thing to remember this is a labor heartland and the uh the seat i think has been in labor

00:03:12.200 hands for the best part of 100 years i mean this really is this really is a safe seat for labor

00:03:18.060 it's a seat where they can rely on generational uh loyalty to the party and i think that's what

00:03:25.580 they got with Andy Burnham. Andy Burnham got, I think, 50% of the vote. Reform got 35%.

00:03:33.720 The insurgent party, Restore, led by Rupert Lowe, who was kicked out of Reform last year

00:03:39.640 by Nigel Farage, got, I think, 7.8%. So, I mean, it was a very, very clear win for Andy Burnham,

00:03:48.680 who is currently mayor of Manchester. And the thing about, you know, the thing I think you have

00:03:54.580 to remember about mayors like the mayor of manchester is it's not particularly a difficult

00:04:00.080 job it's a job that it's it's easy to be popular when you are the mayor of a city like manchester

00:04:05.660 you know you put in some extra bus lanes you do some vanity infrastructure projects

00:04:10.580 um uh it's kind of softball politics really and so he's popular in the local area he's well known

00:04:17.640 he's referred to as andy he's referred to by his first name you know people see him as a member of

00:04:22.980 the community it was always going to be Labour's seat to lose so yes I mean I agree with your

00:04:30.080 assessment that actually it was unlikely that Nigel Farage's reform party with their candidate

00:04:36.100 Rob Kenyon were going to do all that well and I mean I don't think Rob Kenyon was a great

00:04:42.180 choice he's a local he's a plumber I mean he was a local local from the area but I don't think he

00:04:49.900 was a great candidate um uh there were some controversies about facebook posts that were

00:04:56.320 dug up where he said sort of derogatory things about a television presenter so they had some

00:05:02.260 problems and but nevertheless i think i think what happened is exactly what we should have

00:05:07.060 expected to happen yeah um firstly let's just go back a little bit because this needs to be dealt

00:05:16.320 with in the analysis the overall analysis of what this means for british politics

00:05:21.760 you mentioned that makerfield is a labour heartland and yet i think some people were

00:05:28.940 looking at the statistics and the results from the local government elections when reform did

00:05:33.020 very well and misinterpreted the the broader dynamics that allowed reform to do so well

00:05:40.880 in that context in in those local government elections tell me how in just the the span of

00:05:47.820 a couple of months that you can get that inversion uh and what the conclusion is that you draw from

00:05:53.900 that well i mean i think it's important not to confuse local elections which are often

00:06:01.560 they're often treated as a kind of protest vote you often get very different results in local

00:06:07.200 elections from national elections people will often go out and vote in local elections who

00:06:12.340 don't then go out and vote in parliamentary elections there's a there's an interesting

00:06:16.540 dynamic uh and so it's a it's a very very uh mistaken attitude to think that oh yes well

00:06:24.240 reform did amazingly well in the local elections which they really did i mean they swept the board

00:06:28.420 uh but it's a mistake to think okay well that's going to translate then to a clean sweep in a

00:06:34.300 general election or even a significant victory in a by-election so um yeah i mean it was it was easy

00:06:42.220 i think with all the enthusiasm behind reform as a result of the uh local council elections to think

00:06:49.200 oh this is going to be a queen a clean sweep too and it wasn't okay so let's um i want to run my

00:06:57.100 thesis behind you now this is my take question i'd like to know what what you think to my analysis

00:07:03.280 So there are a couple of takeaways here. First of all, it would appear from this election, the by-election, the special election to Parliament yesterday.

00:07:17.060 I just add for our largely American audience that in the UK, by tradition, elections, by-elections, general elections, they take place on Thursdays in the UK.

00:07:27.340 Firstly, the Tory party, the Conservative party,

00:07:34.200 Her Majesty's opposition in Parliament here in this election

00:07:38.280 was just basically slightly above a few points above statistical zero, right?

00:07:44.260 Two to three percent.

00:07:47.260 And Rupert Lowe's restore got, I think, three times,

00:07:50.720 just over three times what the Conservatives got.

00:07:54.220 As you point out, Nigel Farage's reform came in second, clear, clear, decisive second at around 35%.

00:08:03.540 So here's my takeaway. It would appear that on the basis of this, and people do vote differently in by-elections from the way they vote in general elections, but it would appear from this result, reform is now firmly positioned itself as the official opposition.

00:08:22.820 That would be the first thing I would say.

00:08:25.280 And it has supplanted, at least in the north of England,

00:08:29.460 and it absolutely supplanted the Tory party.

00:08:32.540 That said, there were two other by-elections that took place yesterday.

00:08:36.340 They weren't nearly as, I think it was Aberdeen, right?

00:08:40.640 Aberdeen South, up in Scotland,

00:08:42.840 that the Tory party won its first by-election in Scotland for 50 years.

00:08:48.960 And there was another election in Scotland, I think the SNP,

00:08:52.120 the Scottish Nationalist Party, maintained.

00:08:56.000 So those are the three results that took place yesterday.

00:09:00.060 Very different results in very different local contexts.

00:09:03.780 But we're focusing on Makerfield right now because that is pretty significant.

00:09:08.740 Significant for a number of reasons.

00:09:10.560 Okay, first of all, my first conclusion is on this, Charles,

00:09:16.160 is that it would appear that Nigel Farage's reform

00:09:21.200 is now firmly at the parliamentary level in number two position

00:09:25.140 or potentially number one, depending on their by-election and the context, point one.

00:09:29.860 Point two, for all the sustaining push of social media

00:09:35.140 and specifically Elon Musk behind Rupert Lowe

00:09:38.940 and Restore pushing hard in the algorithms,

00:09:43.440 didn't get more than seven percent okay and that that is important to say nigel farage

00:09:50.280 and i'm a great fan of his i you know a great great fan of it i've known him what 30 years

00:09:58.320 slightly but for 30 years um not a perfect individual none of us steve would say first

00:10:04.760 off about anyone not a perfect individual um but none of us are perfect nigel farage refused

00:10:12.880 to bend the knee to Elon Musk, who expected to be treated like a medieval king at court.

00:10:21.360 Nigel Farage refused to do that, refused to subjugate his movement and his political party

00:10:27.220 to the dictates of, as we call him here on the war, Elmo. So, you know, I'm leading,

00:10:33.940 I'm the leader of this political party, and that's the way, I'm not going to expect,

00:10:38.300 take orders from anyone else.

00:10:43.040 So one of the most important social media operations

00:10:45.900 that is pretty decisive in shifting public opinion

00:10:51.640 wasn't able to move the needle particularly

00:10:56.940 in favor of Elmo's personal deliberate spite project

00:11:03.080 to damage Nigel Farage and reform as much as he could

00:11:07.280 with all the resources that Twitter threw at it.

00:11:10.280 And that is an important, I think, takeaway.

00:11:15.940 My third observation, which is simply statistical,

00:11:19.860 is that neither will form, is that with restore standing,

00:11:24.920 it wasn't able to reform and restore together

00:11:28.180 wouldn't have been able to supplant Andy Burnham.

00:11:32.240 Okay, so those are my preliminary takeaways.

00:11:34.820 I will also add to that is that there's a consequence and I don't know if I'd have been

00:11:41.160 in Nigel Farage's boots I don't know if I would have fielded a candidate in this election for a

00:11:48.640 number of reasons not least because it has now set up at least the narrative that Andy Burnham

00:11:54.460 is the guy on behalf of the British establishment that can actually face Nigel Farage down

00:11:59.800 in a way that Kemi Badenuk, the leader of the Tory party,

00:12:03.360 is obviously unable and inadequate to be able to do.

00:12:07.960 But neither Keir Starmer, the present and one presumes outgoing prime minister,

00:12:13.420 is able to do either.

00:12:15.320 That's another takeaway.

00:12:16.680 That's going to develop in the British press 100% moving forward.

00:12:21.940 And I add for our American audience, you mentioned that he was the Andy Burnham.

00:12:27.000 Just finishing then, I guess he's going to close it.

00:12:29.140 He'll resign, I guess, as mayor of Manchester, which is one of the key cities in the north of England.

00:12:34.800 His popular nickname in the British press was King of the North.

00:12:41.440 And to some extent, that narrative is now going to be solidified.

00:12:45.700 So you have all these things coming together.

00:12:47.700 It was not the best result for reform, but is by no means the worst result.

00:12:53.520 I still think there's a lot of momentum in the UK.

00:12:56.700 A lot of love and support for Nigel Farage and for his movement probably wasn't the best instance to try and demonstrate that.

00:13:06.340 Because to come back to your beginning point, Charles, Makerfield is the most traditional Labour heartland imaginable.

00:13:14.580 Their voting for Nigel Farage in the local government elections in May wasn't so much a rejection of the Labour Party.

00:13:24.460 It was a rejection of Keir Starmer that was betraying a lot of what the old red Labour, the working class vote hoped for to see in the Labour Party and which to them Andy Burnham represented, which is why I was never particularly enthusiastic about Nigel Farage sort of going so big on this particular by-election.

00:13:50.320 It seemed pretty clear to me that that that that constituents at least was going to revert to type if they had a candidate that they could line up behind.

00:14:00.880 That was my takeaway. Before I go to a quick ad break, I'll just get your assessment on those various points, if I may.

00:14:08.660 Yeah, no, I think I think that's a that's a good series of points.

00:14:12.080 I think you are right about reform being the de facto number two de facto opposition.

00:14:17.820 now i don't think we can be in any doubt about that despite the quite surprising uh result in

00:14:25.200 the aberdeen by-election where the conservatives picked up this their first gain in scotland for

00:14:30.100 i think it was actually 60 years and what's more in a in a constituency that actually the

00:14:35.580 conservatives really shafted really you know uh helped to destroy by um destroying the north

00:14:42.800 the oil and gas industry. So that's interesting. But no, de facto number two, de facto opposition.

00:14:49.200 I think you're right, too, about the failure of social media and also the backing of Elon Musk

00:14:57.700 to project Restore into contention. I mean, my view about Restore has always been that they

00:15:04.580 should operate as a pressure group, that they could work on reform to ensure that Nigel Farage

00:15:12.020 doesn't deviate too far from the right, that he doesn't become too much of a centrist,

00:15:17.580 that he doesn't compromise too much, especially on matters like immigration.

00:15:22.860 And I think hopefully that's what Restore will go back to being and that they will do that

00:15:27.780 effectively. And I think also actually your point about fielding a candidate, about whether or not

00:15:35.000 Nigel Farage actually should have done that, is a point that a lot of people will miss. Farage

00:15:40.160 didn't have to field a candidate here and as you say it has actually made Andy Burnham look like

00:15:47.100 he might be the Nigel Farage slayer which Kemi Badenoch isn't and which Keir Starmer isn't and

00:15:53.400 that may very well propel him through a leadership contest we know he wants a leadership contest

00:15:59.240 the MP in Makerfield stood aside specifically so Andy Burnham could could become an MP and take a

00:16:06.540 leadership contest it may but that may very well propel him now to the uh office of prime minister

00:16:13.480 and then you know we could have a snap election called uh prime ministers or new prime ministers

00:16:19.840 always get a popularity bounce that's a guaranteed so this could very well be this could very well

00:16:27.880 lead actually to a new prime minister andy burnham and a renewed five years of labor

00:16:33.240 government. I hope not, but that could happen. Charles Cornish, you just say there something

00:16:39.700 which I didn't mention at the beginning, and I should have said that for a largely American

00:16:44.060 audience in terms of context. The reason why this by-election, and you just said it,

00:16:48.040 the reason why this by-election was so important for British politics is because Andy Burnham left

00:16:54.100 a key position in British politics, not in Parliament, but winning one of the UK's

00:17:00.640 great cities. He hasn't been in Parliament for nine years. The reason why the incumbent stood

00:17:07.020 down to let Andy Burnham stand in that seat was so that he could then launch a leadership

00:17:13.900 challenge to Keir Starmer. By all accounts, he has the 83, 81 signatures from the Parliamentary

00:17:21.460 Labour Party in order to formally challenge Keir Starmer. This is why this by-election is so

00:17:26.740 important. Under the Labour Party rules, you have to be in Parliament to challenge for the leadership

00:17:33.180 and therefore, seeing as they have the majority, to effectively become Prime Minister as well.

00:17:37.720 I think that those series of events are almost 100% certain to take place this year. I think

00:17:44.900 it'll be very quick, I think, very surgical, very clinical. I'd say within a few months,

00:17:52.320 Andy Burnham will be Prime Minister of the UK. That would be my expectation. And I'm glad that

00:17:57.820 you mentioned that that was the whole point, why it was so key that he was standing for election

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00:20:09.340 You know what? Before we discuss your article, Charles, in The Spectator, you just said something

00:20:14.560 which I want to about restore and its role in British politics. And I think it's pretty essential

00:20:22.300 because one of the reasons that the Tory party had become such a blancmange over decades really

00:20:28.660 since Margaret Thatcher onwards was because there was never really any political movement in our

00:20:33.280 effectively two-party system to the right of the Tory party acting as a gravitational pull

00:20:39.760 holding their feet to the fire and it's effectively ruined now it's beyond redeemable

00:20:45.760 purpose. And your argument about Restore, I think, is absolutely perfect. I did call it earlier

00:20:52.360 a spite project, a vendetta project of Elon Musk against Nigel Farage. That said, Rupert Lowy

00:21:02.940 himself, some of the things he stands for, and I know this for the war room that follows

00:21:08.540 these things, the war room posse that follows some of these things, they'll be a little bit

00:21:13.280 more engaged to what Rupert Lowe is saying indeed than what Nigel Farage is saying himself especially

00:21:20.380 as you singled it out on the immigration issue which we are going to be talking about in a few

00:21:28.500 moments and I just wanted to get that absolutely clear the Restore movement I think it's basically

00:21:36.540 a spoiler project of elon musk but let's not discount the fact that it is it has a very useful

00:21:44.100 function to play holding the um holding reform and nigel farage to it to the position the path

00:21:53.100 that it's been tracing and setting up so that it doesn't follow the tory party too closely to the

00:21:59.320 to the um to the center if you just wouldn't mind give me your your response to that um if you

00:22:03.980 wouldn't mind please yes no i mean that's that's how i've always envisaged restore from the

00:22:10.900 beginning i mean look it's very very difficult to bootstrap a new party uh the british electoral

00:22:17.960 system the political system makes it very difficult to start new parties and nigel farage

00:22:23.680 has been remarkably successful with reform creating a credible alternative to the conservative party

00:22:30.580 an alternative to the right of the Conservative Party, because like you say, the Conservative

00:22:35.640 Party really does need to be consigned to the dustbin of history. It's done whatever good work

00:22:41.540 it could have done. It's done. And now it's now it's junk. Now it's absolute junk. So, you know,

00:22:49.780 bootstrapping a second party, a second right wing party was always going to be hard. And it was

00:22:56.760 always going to be fraught with accusations that the purpose was really just to split the right

00:23:03.660 wing vote and you have to remember there is a significant personal animus between Rupert Lowe

00:23:09.780 and Nigel Farage they fell out royally and Nigel Farage expelled Rupert Lowe from reform there was

00:23:18.780 all sorts of you know it was it was quite a nasty affair Rupert Lowe really does not like Nigel

00:23:24.000 Farage and a lot of people who now back restore including very powerful people like Elon Musk

00:23:30.840 don't like Nigel Farage and so there is this unavoidable sense that actually there is a kind

00:23:38.820 of a big element of spite to it and it's not it's not really what the country needs I certainly don't

00:23:44.460 think it's what the country needs I don't think that the right wing needs to be divided on the

00:23:48.960 basis of personal animus at a time when the demographic situation is so bad and could end up

00:23:56.980 within, you know, a period of a few years being irreversible. And, you know, the country is

00:24:02.080 essentially really lost forever. So my view is always that, look, Restore can do a valuable job.

00:24:11.120 They can keep Nigel Farage on the straight and narrow. And in fact, when Restore became a party,

00:24:15.980 you saw this kind of salutary effect overnight where actually there was a very visible hardening

00:24:21.900 of the reform policy on immigration on deportations in particular and so it was i mean i saw that and

00:24:28.840 i i remember writing a post on twitter and saying look this is great okay this is what we need yes

00:24:34.100 we need an insurgent party that can apply pressure in the right places make sure that nigel farage

00:24:40.820 isn't deviating from the core mission

00:24:43.660 and from the will of the British people.

00:24:46.780 But I think that the project has taken on

00:24:50.160 pretenses and kind of greater proportions

00:24:53.980 than it should have.

00:24:55.720 And hopefully, my hope is that actually

00:24:57.800 the Makerfield result will now send Restore

00:25:01.260 back to the drawing board and that they'll realise,

00:25:03.640 look, OK, we can't be a national party

00:25:07.500 to compete with Labour and reform and the Conservatives,

00:25:10.040 But we can be a very powerful pressure group acting in the true interests of the British right.

00:25:16.060 And so hopefully that will happen.

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00:25:36.980 uh i mean uh it's it's really kind of it's destroyed the country i mean it really has

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00:26:10.340 from what you're saying are you a proponent of proportional representation or do you prefer the

00:26:16.460 first past the post system i think proportional representation leads to coalitions too often

00:26:23.140 uh first past the post generally leads to stronger government than if you get a good strong

00:26:28.860 government that's much better but of course it does keep it does keep sort of pressure movements

00:26:34.960 as it were locked out of the political system uh back with dr charles cornish dale in two minutes

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00:31:50.860 Charles Cornish Dale, key analyst on British politics and politics generally, known more widely in social media as raw egg nationalist, Dr. Cornish Dale.

00:32:08.560 So you have written this article in The Spectator.

00:32:12.940 It's funny how it's a sign of the times, because 10 years ago, this would have been sort of really edgy themes that you were touching here.

00:32:23.160 And today is an indication of how how the political discourse is moving, how the Overton window itself is moving.

00:32:31.600 It's it's yeah, that's all right. I can agree with that.

00:32:35.240 And you're basically talking about France and the demographic changes that it's been witnessing really from North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa over recent decades.

00:32:49.640 And you're citing Renaud Camus, the great French public intellectual behind the great replacement theory here.

00:32:59.980 One of the things that you said in your article, which I thought was particularly spot on, certainly for France, and might sort of, also for the UK, but in a different way for the UK, is that you say that France hasn't been able to truly grapple the significance of the great replacement.

00:33:24.920 because, and I quote, you're saying your attribution to French law and custom

00:33:30.900 preventing the full understanding of these changes.

00:33:34.340 That's crucially important.

00:33:36.320 I think it's more probably of the law prohibition,

00:33:40.100 and I'm going to ask you to say a bit more about that in terms of the French constitution.

00:33:45.900 On our side, I think it's probably more custom that prevents serious analysis of these points.

00:33:54.340 But when you write that, because I think it is spot on, could you just talk through with the Warren Posse exactly what you mean by that?

00:34:01.860 Why do you say French law and custom prevents a full understanding of the demographic changes over there under the side of the English Channel?

00:34:12.760 Yeah, so this is an interesting thing about the French system.

00:34:16.140 So, I mean, a lot of governments across the Western world and certainly in Europe do their very best to hide immigration statistics.

00:34:24.520 You know, they they they stop recording the ethnicity of crime perpetrators, for example,

00:34:31.440 so that, you know, people can't point out that there's a vast disparity in terms of violent crime.

00:34:36.820 You know, that immigrants, for example, you know, commit rape or murder, violent theft, etc., at a vastly disproportional rate.

00:34:46.140 In France, it's always been the case that the government hasn't been allowed to take census statistics on the basis of race and ethnicity.

00:34:57.200 So it's built into the French constitution.

00:35:00.720 It's seen as being a threat to the notion that France is a republic that is indivisible and the people are indivisible.

00:35:09.680 You are all citizens equally. And if the government were to start sort of treating you differently on the basis of ethnicity or race, even simply by, you know, collecting racial or ethnic statistics, that will be a threat to the integrity of the republic.

00:35:26.580 And that was, you know, that's rooted also, I think, in the French experience of World War Two, the fate of France's Jews during World War Two.

00:35:38.160 There's a sense, you know, that we don't want to go back to a state where actually the government could actively persecute minorities.

00:35:46.220 And there are data protection laws in France as well that bolster these legal positions.

00:35:54.100 You know, it just is. It's just illegal to take ethnic and racial statistics.

00:36:00.160 And so it's very difficult. Everybody knows that demographic change is happening.

00:36:05.100 You know, I mean, one of the great French authors, Michel Welbeck, you know, has written extensively about in his novels about demographic change submission, in particular 2015.

00:36:17.360 you know, this novel about an Islamized France. No Frenchman can deny that the demographics of

00:36:23.800 France are changing like the demographics of other countries in Europe, and that they're

00:36:27.680 changing significantly. But what's been difficult has been actually, you know, giving a precise

00:36:34.920 understanding of the change, you know, what what percentage of the French population

00:36:40.260 are immigrants or descendants of recent immigrants? Well, the piece that I wrote for

00:36:46.900 the spectator in particular focuses on a new study that was carried out by france's premier

00:36:52.680 demographic institute where they did thousands and thousands of interviews over a period of sort

00:36:57.980 of four or five years and were able to quantify for the first time really the exact proportion of

00:37:04.180 uh the population that is immigrants or the recent descendants of immigrants on that point

00:37:10.780 because this is the National Institute of Demographic Studies, the IEDD,

00:37:16.560 and they did an interview over many years, I think,

00:37:21.260 over the last six, seven years, talking to 30,000 people individually.

00:37:26.700 How were they able to do that with the constitutional prohibition

00:37:30.840 on data collection by ethnic categories?

00:37:34.920 Does that constitutional prohibition apply only to the, I guess,

00:37:39.700 the french equivalent of the federal government but other organizations are allowed to do that

00:37:44.680 is that is that the case there yes basically so this is a this is a non-governmental think tank

00:37:51.420 as far as i'm aware and so yeah the the constitutional prohibitions uh don't extend

00:37:58.060 beyond the government so yeah so they they've been able to do this they've been able to carry

00:38:03.040 out this extensive uh series of interviews and surveys 30 000 people over a period of

00:38:09.440 at least you know half a decade specifically about ethnicity uh and race and and dissent but

00:38:16.580 the french government wouldn't be able to do that but because this isn't a government body then they

00:38:21.420 have been able to do it all right so on the basis of this report by the ined it says and it's pretty

00:38:30.740 comprehensive it's a pool of as i was saying 30 000 different people they say 34 this is the

00:38:38.560 headline figure right the headline takeaway of this report 34 percent of France's population

00:38:43.780 just over one-third are either immigrants or the children or grandchildren of immigrants now at

00:38:51.000 this point you might remember that a similar debate was taking place a couple of years ago

00:38:56.280 on Twitter that I noticed um about the UK context and some statistic was cited with regards to the

00:39:04.920 uk and if i'm not mistaken it was saeed kamal now lord kamal former member of the european

00:39:11.460 parliament for london basically responded so what um and i think it was i think it was

00:39:19.040 saeed kamal and i don't think from my memory of the the twitter exchange that anyone was

00:39:27.520 really able to respond to him in a way that i thought um was was uh was sufficient so i'd like

00:39:38.340 to give you i'd like to come i'd like to pose to you the lord kamal response there and and ask you

00:39:45.940 to to suggest why that is important so here we go 34 of france's population is either immigrants

00:39:55.280 or children or grandchildren of immigrants and the saeed kamar response is so what could you break

00:40:02.560 that down for me because most people i have struggled to be able to to respond to that and

00:40:08.180 in their struggle to be able to respond to that they have the doubt that will perhaps or perhaps

00:40:12.440 you know it's just it's just a racist reflex but of course well i'm not a racist so um i'll

00:40:18.300 shy away from trying to respond to it um and i don't think the objection i really don't think

00:40:26.060 the reject the objection to this needs to be along racist lines i'm going to say i oppose the

00:40:31.780 lord kamal so what to you and and see uh why you tell me that this is actually important

00:40:37.960 well one thing i would say first of all is nobody's ever been asked

00:40:43.340 These, you know, the decision to fundamentally alter the demographics of Western nations was not a consensual one.

00:40:53.600 The people of France weren't ever asked, well, you know, would you like to change the demographics of France this fundamentally?

00:41:03.260 Is this what you want?

00:41:04.220 The people of Britain weren't asked either. When Tony Blair in 1997, the new Labour government decided that mass immigration was going to be the policy and famously that it was going to be done to rub the right's nose in diversity.

00:41:20.260 That was a that was a revelation that came out. Andrew Nether, former government advisor, advisor to Peter Mandelson, I believe, said that's why mass immigration was done. 0.55

00:41:31.100 It was done for political social reasons to change the country irretrievably.

00:41:36.440 But the fundamental point, I think, really is just that, look, a country, a country changes when you change the people. 0.89

00:41:43.940 OK, I mean, this bizarre notion that you can just take someone from the other side of the world and plonk them in Europe, and so long as they adhere to certain values, so long as they have a piece of paper that says they are French or British or Danish or Norwegian or Spanish, then they are of that nationality is a nonsense, is a nonsense. 0.94

00:42:09.180 And I mean, I think one of the failures of the right actually has been across Europe has actually been in making the case that actually all of the negative changes that we've seen across Europe, the declining living standards, growing taxes, increasing crime, the changing culture, all of this is tied to mass immigration. 0.97

00:42:32.240 Because when you change the people of a nation, you change the nation fundamentally. 0.56

00:42:39.320 So, I mean, that's why it matters, because, you know, if the people of France, the actual French people want France to remain France, then they need to take they need to pay attention to demographics.

00:42:54.080 And the same is true for England and for Germany and for every other nation across Europe.

00:42:59.200 you know if you don't want your nations to change fundamentally then you have to be interested in

00:43:04.860 demographics do you think that um that france has reached the point of no return

00:43:14.620 i mean i i'm not a demographer so i can't tell you what things are going to look like in a

00:43:21.960 generation or five years or ten years but i mean i certainly know that in a country like the uk

00:43:27.760 then the birth rate situation is pretty dire and we have already or we are coming up on the point

00:43:34.380 where actually uh less than fewer than 50 percent of all births are going to be white british

00:43:41.580 children uh and that obviously must be some kind of uh demographic tipping point uh i mean

00:43:50.100 you know you see on twitter a lot of posts about you know you'll see these videos they're kind of

00:43:55.220 rage bait videos of Paris, and there are migrants everywhere. And there are sort of tents and

00:44:00.240 cardboard boxes and rubbish. And people say, oh, Paris has fallen, France has fallen. I mean,

00:44:06.340 I've been to Paris a few times recently. It's a lovely city. And actually, the demographic change

00:44:11.920 isn't quite as visible as it's often made out to be. But nevertheless, two thirds of the population

00:44:20.060 now are not of an immigrant background and i mean those changes i think are going to accelerate

00:44:27.320 they are going to get worse unless you have a change in policy unless the government stops

00:44:33.100 importing hundreds of thousands of uh immigrants a year you know france the french government has

00:44:39.000 a mass immigration policy likely english government does as well do you believe the statistics that

00:44:46.560 are coming out from the Office of National Statistics, the ONS, in the UK, when it's

00:44:51.200 talking about ethnic minority composition of the UK being, what, about 10%? 1.00

00:44:59.560 Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's a good question. I mean, I'm not particularly inclined to trust 1.00

00:45:06.900 the government about statistics, no. And I mean, I certainly, I get the impression,

00:45:14.280 And I actually get the impression with the UK that the government doesn't even know how many people are in the UK.

00:45:20.080 This has been this has been speculated for a long time, actually, that the population of the UK could be as much as 10 million higher than is officially recorded in the census.

00:45:32.080 Supermarket data famously seem to indicate, you know, so consumption patterns within supermarkets, which actually appear to be a better indicator of how many people are in the country.

00:45:44.280 have suggested, I think, for the better part of 15, maybe even 20 years,

00:45:48.120 that there are millions and millions more people in the country than the government acknowledges.

00:45:53.440 So no, I don't have a great deal of faith in the figures.

00:45:58.260 I think it's a straight up lie.

00:46:00.340 I don't know where in the UK, if you go on any bus and look out the window around any city centre, 1.00

00:46:05.860 I have no idea in the UK where the ethnic minority composition is 10%.

00:46:10.080 I doubt it's even 10% on the Isle of Man.

00:46:12.220 I think it's an in your face, straight up lie. And if people knew exactly what the situation was, I don't think even the police would be able to control the situation, not even the suppression and imprisoning people for that for their racy and spicy tweets would be able to control the situation.

00:46:32.720 I think it's up in your face to lie.

00:46:36.260 Charles Cornish, they'll stay with me just for 60 seconds.

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00:49:23.300 finishing off now the last two minutes of the show with Dr. Charles Cornish Dale

00:49:29.160 raw egg nationalist listen I never got to ask you why do you call yourself raw egg nationalist

00:49:34.720 yeah it's it's a it's a long story so there was a i mean i started out as an anonymous twitter

00:49:41.840 poster and there was a hashtag going around hashtag raw egg nationalism that was about

00:49:48.560 drinking raw eggs slonking is the technical term like a sort of 1950s 1960s bodybuilder

00:49:55.220 and being a nationalist it was about the relationship between health and politics

00:50:01.420 And that really, you know, has been one of the touchstones, actually, of my work over the last six years has been the way in which or the ways in which politics and health and fitness are implicated.

00:50:14.120 And we've seen that come to the fore with the Make America Healthy Again movement under RFK Jr.

00:50:20.920 Well, on that point, it's the first opportunity to talk about your book, The Last Men, Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity.

00:50:30.520 I guess it's all tied together.

00:50:32.780 Tell us just a quick, in the final 60 seconds of the show,

00:50:39.020 give us a quick synthesis of the book and why the war and posse,

00:50:42.720 if they've engaged with what you've been saying here,

00:50:45.820 should be interested in going out to Skyhorse Publishing

00:50:49.640 and picking up a copy of this book.

00:50:52.280 So the book follows on from a documentary,

00:50:55.660 a Tucker Carlson documentary I was in in 2022,

00:50:57.940 the end of men with robert f kennedy jr about testosterone decline testosterone is declining at

00:51:05.060 a civilizational rate one percent year on year for decades uh we are facing a future in which

00:51:12.420 testosterone will be a very very scare thing uh scarce thing the master male hormone that makes

00:51:18.400 men men uh and that has serious political implications you know if men can't be men

00:51:25.760 because they don't have testosterone what's going to happen to society what's going to happen to us

00:51:31.860 and that really is the fundamental issue at the heart of the book it covers all sorts of stuff

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