Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 1036： Cutting Off The CCP; Lies From The Obama White House

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.720 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.960 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.220 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.140 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.560 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.320 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.240 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.520 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.920 MAGA Media.

00:00:28.820 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.700 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.460 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.820 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:00:53.720 Welcome. Ben Harnwell joins us first.

00:00:55.960 So we talked about Brexit, England, this issue of migration.

00:01:02.940 Over the last couple of days, including the weekend, there's been a complete throwdown between Georgia Maloney, prime minister in Italy, and President Trump.

00:01:12.740 And first off, I want to get back to the G7 meeting last week, what happened there.

00:01:17.200 Also this rift between Maloney and Trump, but it's been there for a long time.

00:01:22.780 She continues to try to sell the Italian media and the European media, which buys this without asking questions.

00:01:31.980 She's the bridge between President Trump and the MAGA movement and the populist nationalist right in Europe.

00:01:40.640 Your thoughts about the entire thing?

00:01:41.820 Because it got pretty – over the weekend, it got a little nasty, didn't it, sir?

00:01:46.580 Okay, Steve.

00:01:47.680 Firstly, good evening to you.

00:01:49.280 Look, you're right about the mainstream media narrative on this, and without any irony whatsoever, they've segued from doing the bridge point to saying now that Trump has upset one of his great allies in Europe, which of course was never the case.

00:02:14.780 But never mind, put that aside. I mean, you've got all the press leading with headlines of that kind of nonsense.

00:02:24.180 Firstly, I want to say the point is, having studied President, I mean, you obviously know him very well, I've never met him,

00:02:30.620 but having studied him for the last, what, 10 years since he blazed onto the political scene,

00:02:39.120 And the one thing that really I find remarkable about his personal character, and this goes really very against the mainstream media caricature of him, Steve, is how magnanimous he is.

00:02:52.520 He doesn't bear grudges. So I have journalists here sort of calling me saying, is this permanently damaged his relationship?

00:03:02.520 And this is what I'm saying. President Trump, by everything I've seen of him, is a very magnanimous guy.

00:03:10.220 You can fall out with him. You can come back into the tent.

00:03:14.100 You can have supported other candidates in 2015. No problem whatsoever. Full endorsement.

00:03:21.840 I am more petty, right, when it comes to remembering slights and perceived slights than Donald Trump.

00:03:30.440 very magnanimous he expects one thing he expects the um the the respect due to him that that's what

00:03:38.580 he wants as far as i can tell um and if if if as long as you're prepared uh to on that relationship

00:03:45.260 he'll let he'll he'll let you in back in so i would say with regards to georgia maloney the ball

00:03:51.720 is in her court now some people have said to me okay harnwell um so how do you explain the fact

00:03:59.860 that he came out with these, with this.

00:04:02.460 And I'd say, firstly, don't over read what has happened

00:04:07.680 because Donald Trump, he can say these things

00:04:09.680 and then on a dime within 24 hours,

00:04:12.080 he can be putting out statements saying

00:04:13.740 they're the best person in the world.

00:04:15.040 So firstly, in context.

00:04:17.320 Second thing, yes, perhaps there's an element in there

00:04:22.160 that she denied the use of the Italian air bases

00:04:28.020 a couple of weeks ago, but so did Spain,

00:04:32.680 and they didn't come into anything.

00:04:35.160 Look at what President Trump did

00:04:36.820 when he released this very short interview

00:04:40.320 to the Italian television network, La Sette.

00:04:43.040 What did he do?

00:04:44.420 That wasn't just, he could have said these things

00:04:46.060 to any newspaper, right?

00:04:47.420 If he wanted to blow off steam or put her back in her box.

00:04:51.560 He didn't.

00:04:52.620 He released these comments to her own television,

00:04:55.540 basically network to her domestic orders he wanted the italians to hear what he had to say

00:05:01.180 this was this wasn't just a a love tap this was he did want to to humiliate her and for her to

00:05:08.680 feel humiliated in front of her own people and as i say he didn't do that to the other countries

00:05:13.800 that denied help so it does go beyond that and what i would suggest is this is what i'm saying

00:05:19.280 to a couple of journalists here in italy already steve is that you have a whole series of events

00:05:24.860 that have taken place over years that never really had a resolution.

00:05:28.340 We all remember, Steve, here in Italy,

00:05:31.560 that from the moment of the stolen election in 2020,

00:05:37.140 Georgia Maloney, even though she was leader of the opposition,

00:05:40.720 she dropped Donald Trump faster than a GOP senator, right? 0.91

00:05:44.960 It was like that.

00:05:46.320 And the moment he comes back on the political scene,

00:05:50.200 she's out wishing out there doing the air kisses

00:05:52.480 and the lovely lovies.

00:05:55.420 And worse than that, more gratuitous than that,

00:05:59.540 she's out doing the tour of the European capitals,

00:06:04.620 putting herself out as the bridge between the United States and Europe

00:06:11.140 based on the idea that she's the closest political ally that America has.

00:06:19.040 So you have those things,

00:06:20.220 And I think they required a resolution somewhat.

00:06:25.680 How do you see this playing out?

00:06:28.500 Because the basis, I understand Spain and even England, to a degree, I mean, Spain more in your face and England, you know, try to, oh, give us six hours.

00:06:36.720 But the Italians particularly, I think, hit him because he doesn't really have a relationship in Spain. 0.54

00:06:42.080 You know, Maloney supposedly says she's so close to him and she's always trying to kiss up to him and she's presenting himself in the media,

00:06:49.480 which he sees that. This one in Italy, and then how she came back and talked about Italian

00:06:54.520 sovereignty. And it plays right into the hands of those of us who say, look, this whole NATO thing,

00:07:01.160 it's just been a disaster now because the individual countries will not put up money

00:07:06.000 to defend themselves. They're still dependent by the United States, but it's contingent.

00:07:10.220 You know, we got to go beg them. We got to go be a supplicant, which is just not going to happen. 0.86

00:07:13.760 It's particularly not going to happen with Trump. How do you see this thing playing out? And how's

00:07:18.360 playing in domestic politics because now she's trying to spike the football saying hey you've 0.79

00:07:23.700 lost your popularity over here uh you're at eight percent i'm higher and uh you know worry about your

00:07:29.220 own popularity sir um well you mentioned pedro sanchez the appalling the quite appalling prime

00:07:38.080 minister in spain he didn't go around touting himself as the bridge between america and europe

00:07:46.340 And neither did Keir Starmer, because they both fundamentally had more respect for Donald Trump, even though disagreeing with him substantially on the same issues like Georgia Maloney.

00:07:57.120 They weren't so shameless. The thing is with Donald Trump, he values personal, direct, face-to-face relationships.

00:08:05.740 He doesn't need, he's never needed an interlocutor to interpose themselves and augmenting their own political credibility in doing so between Donald Trump and anyone else.

00:08:19.740 That, I think, was the really patronizing maneuver on her behalf.

00:08:24.520 You asked me where do I think this is going. 0.98

00:08:26.320 Well, first, I think the Italians should calm down a little bit and treat the president with more respect.

00:08:34.240 That is the most important thing. They need to treat Donald Trump with respect. And you see that they're not prepared to do that because the first thing on day one of this, who are Antonio Tajani, who's the foreign minister, member of the coalition, Berlusconi's air, political air from Forza Italia.

00:08:55.200 He said, I said, I'm quitting. I'm not going to go to America next week because he was going to go over for some bilaterals. He called it off. Right. This guy is an absolute scumbag. Former president of the European Parliament, former vice president of the European Commission, the European Union's Politburo.

00:09:13.500 this steve is the guy who cancelled on the day the back in the famous conference um the youth

00:09:22.120 conference for called atreu um which georgia maloney had you on as the keynote speaker back

00:09:29.800 when she was on three percent and i tell you folks having been there and watch it i have never seen

00:09:34.960 a press gaggle in my life as substantive and mobbing someone as they piled in on steve bannon

00:09:42.360 when he was there being welcomed at the gate by Georgia Maloney.

00:09:45.940 It was simply incredible to watch.

00:09:47.560 It was literally like a football star coming.

00:09:50.980 It was like the ticker tape parade from the kicks re-entering New York.

00:09:55.660 It was absolutely astonishing, right?

00:09:57.960 That aside, on that day, Antonio Tajani said,

00:10:01.940 okay, no, I'm not sharing a stage with Steve Bannon.

00:10:05.380 I'm cancelling my appearance.

00:10:07.000 That is this guy, and that is the guy who's pulled the same thing now

00:10:10.860 against Donald Trump.

00:10:11.720 That is not how you go about, and I'd like to gently suggest this, that is not how to go about gently repairing this relationship.

00:10:20.400 The Italians need to treat the president with a little bit more respect.

00:10:25.080 And as I say, he's a magnanimous guy. 0.98

00:10:27.660 I think if they offer, if they show a bit of angle, I'm sure he'll go back being sweet and cuddly.

00:10:36.120 Give the audience, I'm going to let you go, give the audience a minute or two on the general.

00:10:41.720 a new a player upon the scene that could be quite important because Salvini's in the government

00:10:47.520 um this guy's not in the government he's becoming a power kind of like the Tommy Robinson

00:10:54.920 power on the right in uh in the the United Kingdom uh tell the I want to get it on the

00:11:01.300 audience's radar about who this guy is because it'll be quite important General Vanacci is um

00:11:10.080 is a very interesting figure for an Italian politics

00:11:13.840 because he was a career general, very much respected.

00:11:18.380 The Italian military is very much respected

00:11:20.200 and it's one of the few institutions of public service

00:11:23.420 that is still very respected by Italians.

00:11:25.980 So he's a coherent, serious person.

00:11:31.400 And the importance that he has for the Italian domestic political situation,

00:11:36.880 and I wouldn't compare him to Tommy Robinson,

00:11:38.840 and I'd compare more to Rupert Lowe on this, is that he will act now,

00:11:44.120 and this is the importance, is that before he split out

00:11:49.900 from Matteo Salvini's Lega party on his own and created this new political movement,

00:11:56.800 there was nobody on the Italian political spectrum

00:11:59.940 to the right of the Fratelli d'Italia, Giorgio Meloni's party.

00:12:04.620 There was nobody there.

00:12:05.440 And certainly there was nobody there willing to criticise her and attack her because they were hoovered up into the coalition government. 0.64

00:12:15.820 The fact now that he is there as a credible person, as a credible alternative, will be interesting because what Georgia Maloney did from day one onwards was she pivoted.

00:12:27.160 She won the election and she then pivoted within 24 hours to the political centre.

00:12:32.660 um and that's where she's been since so now that there is somebody a credible figure on the right

00:12:39.580 that can that can uh challenge her her right flank is totally uh exposed to him that's going

00:12:45.720 to be interesting and that's why i make the comparison um to to rupert low i think he will

00:12:50.440 fulfill the same dynamic with regards to nigel farage's reform uk uh you're here on the war room

00:13:00.120 Monday excuse me Wednesday Thursday Friday the show is on fire if you want to understand the

00:13:05.960 world you have to come and listen to Ben and his guest Ben social media where can people put up

00:13:11.580 all your BD cynical BDI you know your cynical BDI analysis of news of the day sir thank you

00:13:19.720 for remembering the adjective this time around look for folks who came in and tuned in to the

00:13:25.660 Battleground Hour show on Friday last

00:13:27.660 week,

00:13:28.540 they heard the show,

00:13:31.560 myself

00:13:32.100 and my guest, Charles Cornishdale.

00:13:35.500 We were actually talking about

00:13:37.440 the probability that

00:13:39.660 Keir Starmer was going to be

00:13:43.500 displaced as Prime Minister by the

00:13:45.440 newly elected

00:13:46.480 Andy Burnham.

00:13:51.040 Steve,

00:13:51.660 that's a warm cold shot for you.

00:13:53.020 getter is my social media platform of choice at harnwell um and i also do have an account i'm not

00:14:01.660 going to promote it because i'm not going to promote elon musk's dirty work but i do have

00:14:05.420 an account on x and even though my analysis my original analysis goes out exclusively

00:14:11.440 on getter if you do want to to pick up my hits and media appearances then i do also post them

00:14:18.780 out on twitter on x thank you thanks steve thanks very much god bless appreciate you sir um

00:14:25.440 dr bradley thayer actually in the war room dr thayer um there's been this huge kind of firestorm

00:14:34.900 in the in the consulting class gop about the ccp and the data centers of course we're the leading

00:14:40.960 uh organization institution and i'm kind of the leader of the anti-ccp hardcore anti-ccp

00:14:46.960 pro-Laoboxin movement in the United States and probably arguably the world. And so we're

00:14:55.020 definitely anti-CCP. But right now, what you see here is the broligarchs wanting to defending their 1.00

00:15:00.460 privileges or saying, oh, let's start at the CCP. Clearly, the CCP is trying to do anything 0.97

00:15:06.260 possible to the detriment of the United States. And I want you to walk through. You're coming

00:15:10.720 out with a book on the 100-year fight we've had with communism. Mao and the Chinese Communist

00:15:16.580 Party take a major role in that. You're one of the country's leading experts. Andy Marshall,

00:15:21.160 who's one of the greatest strategists this country's ever had, commissioned you personally

00:15:26.100 to write a book about China and the Chinese Communist Party. That's how much the most

00:15:32.680 serious people in this country dealing with this issue, Andy Marshall and the net assessment group

00:15:36.880 over at the Pentagon or the Department of War, felt. Walk me through everything the CCP's doing,

00:15:43.220 And then let's put it in perspective, this data centers, because I'm sure they're trying to work the data centers against us, no doubt about it.

00:15:50.680 But the GOP consultants are really the running dogs of the of the broligarchs here. 0.82

00:15:58.820 They're avoiding the plank in our eye to look at a potential splinter.

00:16:03.780 Dr. Thayer, the floor is yours.

00:16:06.860 Steve, that's right.

00:16:08.060 that the CCP penetration of American politics, media, universities, Hollywood, business,

00:16:16.520 Wall Street, of course, is almost complete. And so we need to prioritize in order to deal with

00:16:26.420 the threat that we face. I agree with you 100 percent. Yes, the data centers is an issue,

00:16:32.780 but it's not the most important issue that we face. It needs to be addressed.

00:16:38.680 But fundamentally, we need to recognize the nature of that penetration. And that means

00:16:45.960 cutting off the CCP from American investment. Secondly, cutting off the CCP ability to steal

00:16:54.420 through illegal means or to take through legal means our intellectual capital. It means removing

00:17:01.280 the students here who are in American universities, in STEM disciplines, as well as others, the 500,000

00:17:12.080 Chinese students we've talked about many times on this show, and you've called attention to time

00:17:17.600 and again, to begin to reverse that penetration. Looking at, additionally, penetration in our media

00:17:25.680 is absolutely going to be essential as well.

00:17:30.800 So the data centers are important, but there are far, if you will,

00:17:36.700 bigger fish to fry in terms of reversing CCP penetration

00:17:40.280 and fundamentally getting the CCP on the back foot.

00:17:44.600 Let's stop playing defensive and let's go on the offensive against the CCP.

00:17:49.960 And that's the approach that we ought to take here, Steve.

00:17:52.520 so when you talk about that talk about going on the offense you you've written definitive books

00:17:59.140 about this a new book will come out later in the summer early in the fall

00:18:02.900 is another volume of this what when you say go on offense well and by the way if they have any

00:18:08.780 involvement in any of these front groups on the anti uh data centers that should be absolutely

00:18:14.000 found out and and broomed and criminal charges should be made but when you say going on offense

00:18:18.920 overall on the infiltration they've made in our cultural institutions, our political process,

00:18:25.200 our financial institutions, corporately, because right now they wouldn't be a player in artificial

00:18:31.480 intelligence, which they're arguing right now. Oh, they're trying to shut down the data centers

00:18:35.840 so they can take the lead. The only reason they're even close to being competitive

00:18:40.400 is because of equipment we've sold them, chips we've sold them, training we've given them,

00:18:45.840 education we've given them, et cetera. So when you say go on offense, Dr. Bradley Thayer,

00:18:51.460 people pay attention. What do you mean by that? So going on offense means first recognizing the

00:18:57.360 illegitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party. There's no reason whatsoever that the CCP should

00:19:03.180 be recognized as a legitimate government of China. Nobody voted for the CCP. Stalin put them in power.

00:19:10.220 It was a product of Soviet imperialism that put these guys in power, coupled with gross American strategic mistakes that we made at the end of World War II and in the immediate aftermath of World War II.

00:19:25.920 So that's the genesis of these guys. 0.51

00:19:29.340 We need to recognize, of course, that lack of legitimacy has important implications.

00:19:35.620 They should be treated as a pariah, and anybody interacting with them also should be treated as a pariah.

00:19:42.880 And, Steve, that means taking the bold steps necessary.

00:19:46.560 No investment, no intellectual transfer, no chips, and recognizing that because they're illegitimate, we need to start looking for alternatives.

00:19:58.600 We need to start looking for, as you've worked for many years, a new government of China that really meets the needs and reflects the Chinese people, not a Soviet product, not the product of Soviet imperialism, which these guys are.

00:20:17.180 And when we look at the situation that way, we can see that what needs to be done, right, that means a cold break with these guys.

00:20:27.340 That's going to require the United States to recognize once we see that they're illegitimate, all of the folks who profited from their relationship with the CCP need to be held to account.

00:20:41.220 And that's going to be a long list, but those bold steps are necessary to bring about really what is absolutely essential, recognizing the nature of the threat, recognizing that that threat thrives from its relationship with us, and it continues to oppress the Chinese people and target the American people.

00:21:04.560 Major national security threat directly and deliberately targeting the United States and the American people through military means, but also through fentanyl, through the steps that they've taken to strip our manufacturing, the way they have, frankly, bought off the American elite. 0.91

00:21:26.420 Again, in so many areas, whether that's in business or in politics, in our media, in our culture industry, and the ideas industry more broadly, universities, of course, K through 12 education.

00:21:42.940 So when we recognize that, we need to see what needs to be done.

00:21:46.940 We need to see how we need to change course and to recognize the immediacy, that this is an urgent problem that needs to be addressed.

00:21:57.940 And it's one which really, Steve, is one it's shared throughout the West.

00:22:03.320 our elites have broken the social contract with their peoples, whether we're talking about

00:22:09.120 Starmer in Great Britain or Andy Burnham in Great Britain, or we're talking about in the United

00:22:14.520 States. The elites really abandoned their peoples through links to the Chinese Communist Party and 0.75

00:22:24.300 taking the investment, the money from the Chinese Communist Party, facilitating mass immigration 0.91

00:22:30.800 into Western societies. When we see that, we can see nobody voted for this. We didn't sign up for

00:22:38.320 it. And it has to be reversed urgently. Social contract has to be restored between the peoples

00:22:46.560 of the West and their governments. That begins recognizing that the CCP is illegitimate. It's

00:22:54.520 worked with a lot of folks on the political left who are neo-Leninists like George Soros, his son,

00:23:02.200 and his institutions that he's created, Neville Roy Singham and his group, and the many really

00:23:09.620 hundreds of organizations that Singham has created and controls, and other actors as well. Steve

00:23:18.140 Jobs Widow, of course. Emerson Foundation is another group that's working in this area.

00:23:25.080 These folks are really working to undermine the peoples of the West, and they need to be held to

00:23:30.380 account, and it needs to be reversed. And we need to start talking about our agenda,

00:23:36.300 a nationalist agenda, which is going to be a big part of the antidote to what they're attempting

00:23:42.620 to achieve. If you talk about a nationalist agenda, how can I think there's a breaking

00:23:48.200 story today about West Germany selling equipment that the issue before us that has to be dealt

00:23:54.120 with immediately. And there's so many other deeper ones that they we've allowed them

00:23:57.760 to infiltrate this country. But the one that's before us right now is artificial intelligence

00:24:02.680 in the race for artificial intelligence. You could argue, oh, we had a Sputnik moment

00:24:07.400 And we now need to we now need to make sure we win this. 1.00

00:24:11.620 The Bologarics are doing this in fact, saying it. 0.97

00:24:14.580 Oh, we got to do it at the same time we arm the equivalent of the Russians in the race for the hydrogen bomb. 0.99

00:24:21.980 What say you? Clearly, we are supporting the CCP to what they couldn't do on their own to make them competitive in A.I.

00:24:30.240 And obviously, they've always wanted to break and decouple.

00:24:34.480 They're working on their own technology to surpass us.

00:24:37.080 But you saw the story today about Germany and other people selling them equipment.

00:24:40.720 What is your recommendation for us to absolutely make sure we shut down the CCP so there's no more conversation about them being competitive?

00:24:49.320 What would you do? And I'm going to hold you through the break.

00:24:51.440 We've got a couple of minutes here. What action would you take?

00:24:55.680 Well, the action is first to recognize the illegitimacy of it.

00:24:58.680 Once we recognize they're a pariah and they're not friendly in any way, shape, or form, they don't hold our best interests at heart, they are the existential threat that the United States faces and the West faces, that's the starting point.

00:25:13.840 Secondly, cutting them off from capital, the fact that they're still raising money.

00:25:18.480 We're still investing in, in essence, the Chinese Communist Party.

00:25:24.220 We're still allowing trade to occur.

00:25:28.940 We're still allowing ship.

00:25:30.780 You've paid so much attention to NVIDIA and Jensen Huang and called attention rightfully to his situation,

00:25:38.080 that he is in all but a name, it seems, an agent of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:25:44.320 We need to end the chip production.

00:25:46.700 We need to be very careful about technology that goes to the CCP.

00:25:50.700 The right amount of technology that goes to China is zero.

00:25:54.500 If it could be a negative number, that would be better, but it can't.

00:25:57.520 So the right amount is zero.

00:25:59.540 No technology should be flowing, no investment.

00:26:02.180 And then the intellectual capital too, Steve, stop training them.

00:26:06.760 Stop teaching them, stop training them.

00:26:09.340 Getting them out of labs and out of universities is absolutely essential.

00:26:13.840 Hang over something, Dr. Thayer.

00:26:15.300 I'm going to hold you through the break.

00:26:16.480 Also, we've got a very special guest we're going to bring in

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00:31:52.420 War Room.

00:31:53.480 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:31:58.740 Dr. Thayer, your War Against the Communist Party

00:32:01.300 comes out later, summer, early fall.

00:32:03.820 It's up on Amazon now for pre-order.

00:32:05.640 Can we get a copy?

00:32:06.460 Can we get a shot?

00:32:08.280 Why should people buy this book, sir?

00:32:12.300 Stephen, people should be interested in the book

00:32:15.160 for the following reasons.

00:32:16.640 First, it explains the ideological upheaval

00:32:19.160 that we face now in the U.S.? How is it that we have the rise of the election of these

00:32:24.940 so-called socialist mayors, the rise of a hard left in the Democratic Party?

00:32:32.260 That's the product of really a process which has been ongoing for 100 years

00:32:36.820 since the Bolsheviks came to power in the Soviet Union. They've been working to generate 0.91

00:32:42.280 the biggest external threats that we face, the Soviet Union and the Chinese Communist Party, 0.90

00:32:47.180 but they've also worked to undermine us at home in the United States by undermining our educational system, 0.88

00:32:54.860 by undermining our political system, and by attacking our identities and Western civilizations.

00:33:01.020 Secondly, if you want to understand the Chinese Communist Party, it's a great study to look at that.

00:33:06.020 And lastly, because the antidote to communism is American identity and the return of the embrace of Western civilization.

00:33:15.580 So understanding the American spirit and who we are really goes a long way in giving us the antidote that we need to have in order to win the hundred years that we've been fighting communism.

00:33:30.920 So the book is America's Hundred Years' War, How to Win Against Communism.

00:33:34.460 Thanks very much, Steve, for calling attention to it, and thank you for writing the foreword to it.

00:33:38.600 It's a great foreword. Folks should look at the book for that reason alone.

00:33:42.180 it's a it's a tough it's a tough book you take these guys on one more time where do people go

00:33:48.420 and what's your social media and folks can always find me at brad theron x and bradley

00:33:54.340 theron getter and the truth thank you brother appreciate you coming to the war room today i

00:33:58.980 know you're busy going on offense okay your heads are about to blow mike mccormick mike thank you

00:34:08.060 for joining us here on a Monday. Appreciate it. Yeah, it's Steve. Good to see you again.

00:34:13.320 So tell us, just get the audience up to speed, because I'm going to get into this Obama library,

00:34:17.800 but not the way other people are attacking it. What is your expertise given Biden, Obama?

00:34:23.440 Why are you a subject matter? Why are you considered a subject matter expert, sir?

00:34:29.160 Because I was there as a witness with Joe Biden when he traveled abroad through the Obama years

00:34:36.240 as vice president to China, to Ukraine, to Honduras, around the world. And I was there

00:34:44.740 with the press. My job as a stenographer, a white house stenographer, was to record whatever he said

00:34:49.880 in the press. But I traveled in the Air Force, too, with them. So I saw behind the scenes things.

00:34:55.140 What happened was, after the fraudulent 2020 election, I got a hold of the Hunter Biden

00:35:03.340 a laptop. Garrett Ziegler said, you should have this. Marco Polo's Garrett Ziegler gave me a copy

00:35:09.060 of that laptop. And what I was able to do was go through the laptop and see the email traffic that

00:35:15.100 was going on between Hunter and his investors or Hunter and his dad and compare it with my memories

00:35:21.660 of where we had been in Ukraine or China. And it all fit together in a gigantic timeline. So I

00:35:28.460 started writing a substack. The substack is Midnight in the Laptop of Good and Evil. And

00:35:34.560 out of that substack came two books, An Almost Insurmountable Evil and The Case to Impeach

00:35:42.240 and Imprisoned Joe Biden. And so those books were based on things that I had produced and

00:35:48.580 put into the Obama library through the Obama website. Obama had a whitehouse.gov website

00:35:55.380 for years and photos speeches transcripts of of interviews transcripts of white house briefings

00:36:03.700 were in that website what i found and put on my sub stacker last couple weeks is 95 percent of

00:36:11.680 the material i used to see on that website when i was researching these books is gone vanished

00:36:18.460 it all pertains to what joe biden did most of it is okay hold it hang on hang on slow down slow down

00:36:24.740 slow down slow down slow down oh i just want i just because they had the big celebration on on

00:36:31.360 friday to to right honor the stone i guess it's it's the architecture is also some ethiopian stone

00:36:37.740 or something along those lines they had they had that and now the thing's open for the people to go

00:36:44.220 or scholars can study because presidential libraries have two basic purposes the one of

00:36:49.840 purposes is to explain the presidency of whoever it is, George Bush or, and by the way, one of the

00:36:55.800 things we will cover this week is, I think it's next week, excuse me, the president is going

00:37:04.320 to, I think, plan to go to North Dakota for the Teddy Roosevelt Presidential Library, some aspect

00:37:09.860 of it. It is to explain that presidency and to explain it so people understand it in the current

00:37:16.220 time, the others to be an official housing mechanism or apparatus so that scholars can

00:37:22.240 go in and do deep dives on the papers and everything associated with it so they can

00:37:26.700 write up about it.

00:37:28.600 So online, for years, they've been looking for information to come in so they could have

00:37:34.800 the definitive collection of everything associated with President Obama.

00:37:39.540 Is that correct?

00:37:41.100 That's correct.

00:37:41.780 And this website that I'm referring to, this was the website that Obama used throughout his presidency, and on January 21st, 2017, at noon, and I was in the White House that day working on the first inaugural speech of President Trump, they froze that website in time and put it into a website that was managed by the National Archives.

00:38:06.740 It's just it's archived information. It was frozen in time. And now that's changed.

00:38:15.720 So hold it. How long did they start immediately that afternoon on the 20th of January 17 to have the archives and have that set up and people could put information in it?

00:38:27.720 Did it start at that time or did it start later when they realized they were going to have a presidential library?

00:38:32.360 no as soon as my understanding is someone we were told this when we worked in the white house by

00:38:38.980 obama people our website and everything all our materials gets frozen at noon when trump comes in

00:38:45.580 his website is now the new website you guys are going to submit your transcripts to that that

00:38:51.000 office and they'll load them into the website so that's how they did it and so the obama website

00:38:55.920 then went online. It stayed online. You could go to, you could Google Obama white house.gov

00:39:01.720 and find the entirety of the website. That was from 2017 through about a year ago. And all of a

00:39:08.440 sudden about a year ago, I started noticing as they were building this library, there were changes

00:39:13.620 in the website. There were things that were missing. And I contacted their librarian, their

00:39:19.140 archivist. And I said, there's something funny going on. I can't search. I can't go to this

00:39:24.360 website and search do a word search for say obama g like i did five years ago why is that and they

00:39:32.400 came back and they said we had a glitch we're setting it up and we had to redo it thanks for

00:39:37.920 the information well just recently i went back as they were launching this web this new library

00:39:43.380 hang on hang on hang on hang on so they acknowledged they acknowledged when you

00:39:49.440 contacted him and said, hey, I'm trying to, you know, do some stuff for Obama, Xi, for the

00:39:54.020 relations with China and, you know, the pivot to Asia, all these things he tried to do.

00:39:58.640 And I can't get access or it doesn't come up like it did in the years running up to that. And they

00:40:04.000 said, oh, we had a glitch. We're reworking it. Just, just stand by and we'll have this thing

00:40:09.840 sorted. It wasn't that it wasn't going to be accessible. They were essentially saying there's

00:40:14.500 some mechanical or technical problem. We'll work it out. We'll get back to you and you will have

00:40:19.160 full access at that time, right? That was the implication? That's correct. And I sub-stacked

00:40:24.400 about that. I sub-stacked about there's a problem at the website. And then I sub-stacked about I

00:40:29.740 contacted the people at the website and then they got back to me and I sub-stacked about

00:40:33.760 it looks like it's fixed. That was all a year ago in like August of 2025.

00:40:41.700 So talk to me about the fix. When you saw it fixed, were you able to get the kind of access

00:40:46.800 to the type of keyword searches that you wanted to have

00:40:51.600 or had something fundamentally changed

00:40:54.040 when they came back online?

00:40:55.800 They had removed a lot of the photos.

00:40:59.280 They had removed a lot of the sort of the architecture

00:41:04.320 of the website, how it was set up.

00:41:07.340 And so when they came back with We Fixed It,

00:41:09.900 they had replaced, and they took out word search.

00:41:12.440 So you couldn't go, there used to be a search mechanism.

00:41:14.840 I mean, you go in the search bar and type Biden, Ukraine, and there would be over a thousand items there.

00:41:20.640 Well, you couldn't even type search Biden, Ukraine.

00:41:24.800 There was no word search.

00:41:25.980 So that's they fixed that and they put that back in.

00:41:28.960 But a lot of it was missing.

00:41:31.120 And they were saying, well, you know, there's links are no longer working.

00:41:35.340 And some material is not the way it was.

00:41:38.200 Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:41:39.940 You're confusing me.

00:41:40.980 Hang on.

00:41:41.300 You said that when you went to do Biden-Ukraine, that was gone, and that used to be pretty robust.

00:41:48.200 Did they actually fix that one?

00:41:49.820 You said they fixed it.

00:41:50.680 Did they actually fix Biden-Ukraine when you brought that to their attention, or they did not?

00:41:55.100 To some extent.

00:41:56.040 You could do a search for Biden-Ukraine and see some material more than is there now, but much less than was there when I first started searching it in 2018, 2019.

00:42:10.060 Are you saying they selectively curated negative information and negative articles or articles that researchers could help take them in certain directions, that they curated that out of the archives of Obama?

00:42:26.080 Or they just do what archivists should do, which is, you know, I guess we can't have everything.

00:42:32.140 Some of this stuff is marginal, just took out the marginal.

00:42:35.340 Or do you think they actually broomed relevant, pertinent material?

00:42:38.640 Oh, they definitely curated relevant material. I mean, I wrote a sub stack today about it. And what I found in the sub stack was they actually hacked. So in these two books, book one on almost insurmountable evil, book two of my shoulder right there, the case in impeachment prison, Joe Biden.

00:42:58.360 In those two books, I took the links that I used when I was developing my material off of the Obama website that was working, and I put the links at the bottom.

00:43:10.200 I published that, published in text form the documents that were there, where there was a transcript of a gaggle.

00:43:18.780 There's a gaggle that Jake Sullivan did on Air Force Two in April of 2014 that's really significant.

00:43:25.680 And I took a text and I put that in my book.

00:43:28.980 Well, the link to that was also at the bottom of the book.

00:43:32.340 I've gone back in the recently and look, that link has been hacked.

00:43:36.720 It goes to no server available.

00:43:39.300 And the address of the link has changed.

00:43:41.580 It doesn't go to the Obama WhiteHouse.gov website.

00:43:45.400 It goes to the Obama WhiteHouse.gov website.

00:43:49.520 So if you didn't know what it was, you wouldn't really see it.

00:43:52.260 But I know what it is.

00:43:53.340 And that's why I'm like, wait a minute.

00:43:55.680 First, they took out pertinent materials, then they covered it with a hack of my materials that I published in these books.

00:44:02.540 These books are the only place you can see these documents right now, documents of Joe Biden being involved with Xi, documents of Lisa Monaco coming out in January of 2014 and saying we're going to have a global viral surveillance program.

00:44:20.400 She was involved in it right all through the Obama presidency and then the Biden presidency, covering up what happened with Joe Biden's involvement with this company Metabiota that Tulsi Gabbard released information on.

00:44:38.460 Metabiota was involved in the bio labs, and Lisa Monica was part of that, and part of the cover-up that occurred during Biden's presidency.

00:44:49.740 So first, there's a rollout of this information. And then Trump wins. They didn't expect Trump to win. So then they had to start this whole process behind the scenes of rolling out a fake pandemic, the plandemic. And that's what's in that book right there.

00:45:08.840 I'm sorry.

00:45:09.820 I just messed that up.

00:45:11.480 Anyway.

00:45:12.360 But hang on for a second.

00:45:14.320 Is what – first off, have you communicated this information to the officials actually at the Obama Library?

00:45:23.500 Have you made contact with them?

00:45:24.900 Have you tried to go to visit and say, hey, I'm a researcher that is a specialist in this area, in this era.

00:45:31.740 Have you contacted them?

00:45:33.180 Have they gotten back to you?

00:45:35.040 I sent them an email last Thursday.

00:45:36.920 I have not heard back yet.

00:45:38.340 well isn't i put that email i put the text of that email in my sub stack today

00:45:43.160 your but your accusations are such that are you going to try to reach out more you're going to

00:45:48.380 try to fly out there and say hey i want to see i want to see you's in charge because

00:45:54.840 don't you owe it at least to kind of say hey i'm an expert in this area these are the mistakes

00:46:00.320 you're making uh and you've got to correct these or i'm gonna come after you hard what i want to

00:46:06.740 do is go in front of a grand jury i think there should be an investigation of this i've been

00:46:11.380 trying to get this information in front of grand juries for four years um i've gone to the fbi

00:46:17.860 with the information i put in these books i've gone to congress with the information i put in

00:46:22.060 these books hang on hang on hang on hang on have you gone to cash but you've gone to cash patel's

00:46:26.620 fbi i went to the washington field office of the fbi in november of of december of 2025

00:46:35.700 and told them there is evidence of wrongdoing that I've covered that you guys need to cover.

00:46:43.500 I got a phone call back from that FBI, an FBI agent there that the day after I went in there,

00:46:50.060 and they just kind of laughed at me when I said I put it in a book.

00:46:53.500 I then went to the U.S. Attorney's Office.

00:46:55.580 Hold it. Hang on. Hang on. Slow down.

00:46:58.140 What do you mean they laughed? They laughed at you, actually?

00:47:01.000 Yeah, the agent called me back. She kind of chuckled when I said, I wrote a book.

00:47:04.220 She goes, you wrote a book about it? And I was like, yeah, it's in a book.

00:47:08.720 I put more information in my book that the FBI has raised about Joe Biden's corruption.

00:47:14.960 Okay, but when they called you back, when you called you back, what was the conversation?

00:47:20.200 It was very short.

00:47:22.920 You know, we'll look into it or, you know, I said, get in touch with me.

00:47:28.440 Okay, yeah, we'll get in touch with you. It was right before Christmas. I never heard back.

00:47:31.660 Do you have the agent's name?

00:47:36.200 I have the phone number.

00:47:38.360 Okay, fine.

00:47:41.140 So what have you done vis-a-vis?

00:47:43.260 You said Congress.

00:47:44.860 What have you done vis-a-vis Congress?

00:47:47.300 In June, May 2023, I was interviewed by investigators of the House Oversight Committee and the Homeland Security Governmental Affairs Committee.

00:48:00.000 What I knew about Joe Biden's corruption in Ukraine and the fact that the special counsel, David Weiss at the time, wasn't investigating him.

00:48:13.240 And I had reached out to him to investigate what I knew, interview me for, you know, what I can tell to the grand jury.

00:48:19.080 And so I talked to those investigators. They use some of my information to in interviews later of Devin Archer and Hunter Biden.

00:48:27.900 but they didn't use all of it. They kept some of it behind. And that's why I wrote the books

00:48:32.880 because they didn't come out with it. They didn't follow up on what I told them.

00:48:37.540 What did you do with the U.S. Attorneys? You said you went to the U.S. Attorney's Office.

00:48:42.540 I went there in January of this past January, 2026. And I said, look, I've got information.

00:48:50.100 They were investigating at the time, the Seditious Six. I said, part of the information I have

00:48:55.800 developed over the years is pertinent to the seditious six investigation. And I went to the

00:49:01.560 lobby. There was a sort of a witness, you know, receptionist in the lobby. And I sat there for

00:49:08.700 about half an hour. Finally, she comes out and sits down with me with a clipboard. I said,

00:49:12.700 I want to talk to somebody in the public corruption section. She goes, what do you want?

00:49:17.320 And I explained to her everything. She wrote it down on a clipboard. And then she said,

00:49:22.340 I will email this to the public corruption section.

00:49:24.960 I never heard back.

00:49:27.560 OK.

00:49:29.200 We will talk to you after the show.

00:49:31.660 Where do people go to get to the substack?

00:49:33.700 You got the books up there.

00:49:35.180 They can get the books through the substack.

00:49:36.740 But to get all the current information on this, where do we go?

00:49:41.780 Because I think the Obama library is going to be quite controversial.

00:49:45.880 I just have a feeling it's going to be quite controversial.

00:49:48.380 Very controversial.

00:49:49.320 very i mean the media is in these the media is in these documents that they're being

00:49:54.160 you know they're being zeroed out so you can go to me find me at unsubstack midnight in the

00:50:01.640 laptop of a good and evil i've got an author page um yeah i've got an author page author

00:50:09.100 mike formick.com you can order all my books there i got a great novel out that's you know

00:50:14.760 asymmetric warfare make you laugh and think about maga stuff it's great for the ladies

00:50:19.860 okay no big burn read the big burn it's a great book one one one more time the sub stack where

00:50:27.360 are they i love the title i guess that's a homage to the uh to the book that came out a few years

00:50:32.800 ago that's right midnight and the laptop of good and evil laptop of good and evil the laptop from

00:50:40.340 hell. Mike, thank you. I'll contact you after the show and we'll take it up from there. How's that

00:50:44.980 sound? Great. That's great. That sounds good, Steve. Thank you. I know that has not sated

00:50:51.700 the thirst that the war room posse has for the Obama library, but we'll try to get more into

00:50:59.800 that. It's always good to get into things about Obama. You never know what you're going to find.

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Bannon's War Room - June 23, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 1036： Cutting Off The CCP; Lies From The Obama White House

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