00:05:10.920I'm not that autistic as to say, oh, no, you can't do that.
00:05:15.360I don't particularly find that sort of strange,
00:05:20.720though I would understand why some trads are uneasy about that.
00:05:28.320But on today of all days, I just thought it was a strange thing.
00:05:32.980Unless, of course, the suggestion is that this is fundamentally a Protestant act, a protesting act against the papal primacy.
00:05:44.960I don't know. I'm not going to dwell on it.
00:05:46.520I just thought it was a strange musical choice and these things, the symbolism is always important.
00:05:53.140OK, Frank Walker, let's break this down today. Why today is so important?
00:05:56.380So for our largely American audience, our largely evangelical audience, just to recap what traditionalism is in the Catholic context,
00:06:08.260the trad Catholics very jealously guard the idea that the Catholic Church is unchanging throughout time on all the essentials.0.64
00:06:21.240It teaches the same doctrines, dogmas, as were believed at the time of the apostles.0.74
00:06:28.700Some of these things have been formally defined by the church.
00:06:33.780But from the Catholic Church's understanding of what papal infallibility is when defining dogma,
00:06:45.480It's simply asserting that X has always been believed right from the beginning of the church.
00:06:51.980There's nothing new. This is what Catholics, traditional Catholics say.
00:06:57.780There's nothing new in what the church teaches about this.
00:07:03.680It might represent certain truths in new ways, according to the times.
00:07:10.000But on all the elements to do with faith and salvation, the substance is effectively unchanging because it comes from Christ.
00:07:21.140And then, of course, on top of that, you have certain things that have grown up throughout time because the Catholic Church has been a pilgrim church throughout human history.
00:07:31.580It has absorbed certain practices throughout the medieval period, for example, before that from the Dark Ages that are still extant today.
00:07:41.260And they're not essential to Catholic belief, but they're very dearly held on to by Catholics and quite properly wouldn't be discarded without good reason.
00:07:53.580and then the second vatican council which was the great rupture of the catholic church between
00:08:04.62060 62 65 um all of that changed really the the official justification especially in the liturgy
00:08:17.460but obviously not only in the liturgy also in terms of the substance of the faith
00:08:21.320the ostensible pretext was we're going to make the church we're going to eliminate all the
00:08:29.460differences between ourselves and the protestants and bring the protestants on board i say that was
00:08:35.440a pretext because i think it's pretty clear that the people who were pushing the second
00:08:40.640vatican council had no intention whatsoever of bringing the protestants on board they just
00:08:45.680wanted to stop the Catholics from believing0.99
00:09:45.500onwards go on go and thank you if you want to say something that's often lied about they they
00:09:52.480love to say the liberals love to say that this mass that you see here uh and with the sspx
00:09:58.380is just another version of the mass it's been going on for a long time and they like this piece
00:10:04.000of the new york times they says you know there was moving from greek to latin there were a lot
00:10:08.340of differences over time now a lot of people aren't european there's always differences in
00:10:13.480discussion. No, there's something fundamental about that Latin mass that goes back to Christ
00:10:20.420and the apostles. And you can't just, you know, we're talking about thousands and thousands and
00:10:25.960thousands of years. You can't just invent a completely new thing. That's not the way the
00:10:30.800church works. And I think that a lot of the confusion, like you mentioned here, they think
00:10:36.760of themselves as traditionalists. Even these Catholics will call themselves traditionalists.
00:10:41.460They're deferential to tradition, but really what they are is they're just Catholic and they're just going back to what is Catholic because God doesn't care about what's new or what's old.0.55
00:10:53.480God's always been there. And the church is very old. And so today we live in this world where all of the forces, all the powers constantly throwing new things on us.
00:11:02.740I mean, we're living in a world that's so completely new and invented.
00:11:22.040But that's not what this is about at all.
00:11:23.540This is just like, this is just about being a Catholic.
00:11:27.580Being a Catholic is something that goes way, way back.
00:11:31.020And like I think you mentioned last week, Ben, human nature is the same all the time, and people have the same problems, and they have the same solutions.
00:11:40.440So God is the same, human beings are the same, and the mass should be the same, what it always has been.
00:11:48.800And I think that people are responding to that, and they love to inflate, like you're mentioning, oh, just a tiny, and the New York Times say, oh, it's just a tiny fraction of people who are these traditionalists.0.53
00:11:59.360but they love to inflate how many people that they call it oh there's over a billion catholics out
00:12:05.260there well i mean do any of them go to church do any of them to believe the things that the
00:12:10.440church teaches because that's another aspect to it it's not just the mass it's do they believe
00:12:15.580the things that the church teaches it's not just about being traditional it's just about
00:12:18.860are you going to believe a religion that's new today and and completely different than it was
00:12:23.680yesterday no you're going to say well i'll believe whatever i think is best that's not how
00:12:28.140the catholic church works that's not how god works so many things that to um to go through
00:12:35.720right first thing first thing we'll talk more about this david gibson article and that just
00:12:41.640shows the malevolence of the new york times right on today of all days they go to david gibson
00:12:47.000um for this anti-catholic uh screed uh from one of the world's most notorious
00:12:55.340modernist catholics i mean honestly they could have given it to santigidio and it wouldn't have
00:13:00.220come out any more anti-catholic than that firstly the look at the cynicism i look we'll try and get
00:13:06.320the the link of this article out so people can read it themselves but look at the cynicism of
00:13:10.680what gibson's arguing there that um that the tridentine church is basically was was basically
00:13:17.780european well that that's a that's a that's a given fact of course it was the impetus of the
00:13:23.120pre-conciliar faith that pushed the church out to evangelize, to bring the gospel to Latin America
00:13:31.120and all sorts, Columbus and all sorts. So that's what happened under the pre-conciliar
00:13:38.700faith. People fulfilled the great commandment of Christ to take his teachings to all nations
00:13:50.660and baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
00:13:53.200It's under the post-conciliar church that what was set up by the pre-conciliar church has imploded.0.98
00:14:02.180And now the other religions are coming in.
00:14:04.900Jenny's got more about that, which will hit after the break.
00:14:07.780And I do need to quickly go to a shout out in one moment.
00:14:11.860But I want to say, OK, OK, the pre-conciliar church was European.
00:18:00.800Bannon to 9899. Frank Walker, let me come back to you and then I'm going to quickly go over to Jenny and get her reading on this. But what you were just saying right now, and that the traditionalists aren't just basically cultists over stuff because it's old, really we need to just give a shout out to what traditionalism is in the Catholic sense.
00:18:31.540It's not like in the secular sense where tradition is something,
00:18:34.220oh, let's put up tinsel at Christmas time, put tinsel on the tree because it's tradition.
00:18:41.960As in, like we did it last year, it's been done every year for a hundred years.
00:18:45.340You know, we'll put a mistletoe and kiss under the mistletoe because it's a tradition.0.98
00:18:48.860That's not what Catholics understand by tradition.
00:18:51.440For Catholics, tradition really comes from the Latin verb tradere, which means to hand on.
00:18:59.720And so when Catholics use the term tradition, the idea is that they are, as St. Paul said, passing on what they themselves have received in an unbroken chain that goes back to Christ and the apostles themselves.
00:19:14.660That's why Catholics or traditional Catholics are so reluctant to change and even less reluctant to embrace novelties.
00:19:26.540Before I go over to Jenny, Frank, I just want to run this past you
00:19:30.060because this is fundamentally the importance here.
00:19:32.760And you said this actually on previous Wednesdays,
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00:30:53.400Outside the church, there is no salvation.
00:30:56.500And that is really crystallized some of Christ's own teachings,
00:31:02.580like no one can come to the Father except through me, and what have you,
00:31:07.320to drive the missionary spirit of the church for 500 years.
00:31:11.920From when man was able to navigate the oceans in sailboats,
00:31:20.780the missionaries went out with the explorers on the necessary need
00:31:28.560to bring the gospel of our Lord to whatever peoples they might find
00:31:35.860in the corners of the world, as Christ said,
00:31:38.520go, therefore, to all nations, ad agentes.
00:31:43.000So what we were saying in the first half of the show,
00:31:50.480that after the Second Vatican Council,
00:31:54.140that direction, that momentum has inverted,
00:31:57.900and now other cultures are coming to the West.
00:32:01.820uh there is no clearer example of my thesis i i don't attribute it to frank walker as well
00:32:12.520um unless he wants to do that that the hierarchy of the catholic church is in the hands of usurpers
00:32:19.780that don't hold the catholic faith that hate the catholic faith than what took place recently in
00:32:24.540the vatican jenny holland's got the details here that the church welcomed representatives of the
00:32:31.320dharmic religions that is to say buddhists hindus and what have you um hosted by what i like to call
00:32:40.460the dicastery for the promotion of religious syncretism that is effectively effectively
00:32:47.240what it is we'll read through some of its the syncretic pronouncements in the declaration
00:32:52.380the the presiding cardinal released after this event um it's horrific to to see this um but it
00:33:00.060really does illustrate the absolute difference between the pre-concilia church and the post-concilia
00:33:05.260church because the pre-concilia church was interested in evangelization and did evangelization
00:33:11.340and racked up huge numbers of martyrs uh in doing so in taking the faith out to the peoples
00:33:18.760ad gentes the post-concilia church is interested in dialogue which isn't which has no end to it
00:33:27.500It's just a process, but pretty explicitly and obviously does not have, as it's focused, bringing the gospel of Christ to people who don't have it.
00:33:36.900Jenny, what took place in the Vatican under the patronage of the Vatican a couple of weeks ago?
00:33:45.020And what conclusions do you draw from that in the light of everything we've been discussing on the show today on our Cone special?
00:33:53.000yeah so as you said last week there was a um convening of faith leaders from the uh dharmic
00:34:02.800religion so the sub indian content the indian subcontinent hinduism uh buddhism sikhism and
00:34:09.800jainism um and they came and they sat and had a sort of talking shop with uh vatican the vatican
00:34:19.100through the dicastery of, oh, I'm blanking on the rest of the name, religious, interreligious
00:34:25.480dialogue. Thank you. Interreligious dialogue. So, I mean, my big picture, big picture as not,
00:34:32.540as not a non-Catholic and as the resident atheist of the show, I would put the big picture here is
00:34:40.500good, strong fences make good neighbors. As a general statement, I find this to be
00:34:47.180very, very accurate and very apt. Does Europe have strong fences at this particular time?
00:34:54.280No, it does not. So I think the idea of a happy, clappy, multi-faith gathering where everyone
00:35:03.560sits around and shares bread and wine and has great discussions and claps each other on the
00:35:11.160back, that's a wonderful idea when your own church is robust and confident and deeply rooted and
00:35:19.380deeply connected with the salt of the earth people who make up the church. And none of those things
00:35:25.280are the case for the Catholic Church today, as you were just going over in fascinating detail
00:35:30.460with Frank. So the dicastery, as you would probably be able to explain better than me, Ben,
00:35:36.960has sort of an appendage maybe from the Vatican two days and the kind of modernization of the
00:35:45.440church that is so much of the focus of your ire. And I believe rightly so. Again, not exactly
00:35:53.600having a dog in this fight. I think that the thing that makes the church most vibrant and
00:35:59.860most interesting today is not the elites hobnobbing and powwowing with each other
00:36:09.120in the halls of the Vatican and pretending like the population of Europe isn't facing
00:36:16.660a multitude of crises, many of which are directly tied to, let's call it, an abundance of diversity
00:36:26.540on the continent of Europe, instead of facing that reality and nurturing the tradition and the thing
00:36:34.640that makes the Catholic faith so revered and for centuries, for millennia, it's turning us back on
00:36:43.040those Assault of the Earth members and turning instead to kind of a globalist, you know, play
00:36:52.840acting. Everyone's pretending to be statesmen. Everyone's pretending to be Nelson Mandela.
00:36:57.320Everyone's pretending that it's all the Nobel Peace Prize. And isn't this great? And aren't
00:37:01.360we all so very civilized where conditions on the ground are becoming less civilized every
00:37:06.340passing day? I really think it's very interesting that this happened last week because something
00:37:12.240that I'm not sure has crossed your notice yet, Ben, but something happened last week with your
00:37:17.840King, King Charles, whose office released sort of a yearly statement, a kind of administrative
00:37:23.960account of the sovereign grant. And in the preamble or the introduction to this document,
00:37:31.360the language describing King Charles's role was changed from defender of faith to something like
00:37:41.640defender of religion in a multi-religion nation. I can get the exact language for you here now in
00:37:49.880a moment. But in so doing, basically, although this is not an official title change, like
00:37:56.980it's not going to be put on the pound coins or on the money anytime soon, but it is a bureaucratic
00:38:05.000tell that uh within the um what do you call it administration of king charles i'm not sure sorry
00:38:13.620i'm i'm an american as you can see from my shirt i don't have a king but um the uh well hang on
00:38:20.320we'll put the um the the what's that expression that the supreme court used this week the um
00:38:28.500the unitary theory of the executive to one side for a moment as we're talking about Americans
00:38:36.480not having kings. Please go on. Well, King Charles is now, his job is now to protect the space for
00:38:47.740faith within the multi-faith nation. So that is your king, Ben, claiming that he now protects
00:38:55.700the space for faith within the multi-faith nation. Once again, this is the same exact
00:39:02.940problem. This is the same exact theory of mind between the elites ruling Britain,
00:39:08.680including your own king and the Vatican. They are not interested in serving the people any longer.
00:39:18.340They are not interested in serving, in particular, the indigenous people or the original believers,0.94
00:39:24.060the people who built the church and stayed with the church for thousands of years through all
00:39:29.480sorts of terrible events. The elites are so ahead. They're so, as they say, they've lost the run of
00:39:37.320themselves, as we would say here in Ireland. They believe that they know better than the people.
00:39:42.140They believe that they are far, far above the people spiritually, and in fact, don't even need
00:39:48.740to deign to lead them any longer because their real audience, their true audience is not God.
00:39:56.120And it's certainly not the subject of the British crown. It is their fellow elites who are all
00:40:02.920buying into, if you want to be glib about it, this trend. I mean, I personally think it's deeper than
00:40:08.180that, but they sort of flounce around the world acting like it is some kind of trend in which
00:40:14.280They're all part of a special cast, not of Christians or Catholics or Church of England, but of rich elites.
00:40:22.800And it's a globalist cast and they share the values, but they are skinwalking on the old traditions and they are wrapping themselves in the mantle and the majesty and the authority of the old traditions whilst completely abandoning the people who make the traditions,
00:40:40.840who have made the traditions for thousands of years
00:40:43.880and also the very belief system that sustained those people.
00:40:48.640It's an absolute travesty on both counts.
00:40:53.280I learned something that I didn't know that perhaps I should have known
00:40:57.060from what you were saying, and that is that the palace has announced
00:41:01.480the revision of the Defensor Fidei title bestowed on,
00:42:32.420it would have said yeah less robotic this is full of some of these things like looking and i quote
00:42:38.860right uh looking to europe cardinal kovacad recalled the continent's cultural and religious
00:42:45.700heritage and its history of diverse groups living together amid migration globalization
00:42:51.560and demographic change what does that even mean right it's it's just like getting a random
00:42:59.000calculator of platitudes and throwing our buzzwords together um in grammatical order saying we've
00:43:05.180created a sentence it literally means nothing how about this uh the cardinal described europe as a
00:43:10.360rich melting pot in quote marks of ethnic groups languages and religious traditions really your
00:43:17.340emmons is that what you think europe is a heritage he said should be valued in order to build and i
00:43:23.840I quote, an inclusive, cohesive and harmonious society that respects human dignity and human rights, including Frank Walker, the right to profess and practice one's own religion.
00:43:35.740This is a fundamental division between the Preconcilia Catholic Church and the Postconcilia Expression, because the Preconcilia Church was very clear that you have no right to religious, basically to religious error.
00:43:54.980So you have no right to practice a false religion.
00:43:58.740If his eminence, Cardinal Kuvacad, was really pushed by charity, a true charity.
00:44:11.260I mean, the word fraternal is all over this.
00:44:13.300But if he was really pushed by fraternal charity, he would be bringing the truth to people who are in darkness, right?
00:44:23.640the fact that he's not doing and he's indulging them and allowing them to stay in darkness is an
00:44:29.000indication to me that his his charity is is somewhat fake and it's all as i say it's all
00:44:36.440by the way let me just read this to you because we've got to go on to the next story of jenny's
00:44:40.400right um they had this meeting this dicastery for the promotion of religious syncretism it was
00:44:47.480organized at um the pontifical university of saint thomas aquinas well that shows you that they've
00:44:52.820got a sense of humor right um under the theme and i quote and i quote so help me i quote buddhists
00:45:01.920christians hindus james and sikhs in europe colon building fraternity through dialogue and club
00:45:09.900collaboration really really you listed them vatican my dear vatican in that order right
00:45:17.460buddhist christians hindus jains and sikhs christianity is just one one yeah amongst
00:45:24.220many right the relativism here is in your face it's disgusting yes christ said right no one can0.68
00:45:32.200come to the father but through me and yet here these usurpers right render christ as just one
00:45:39.700holy itinerant prophet in a pantheon of false gods and we did see on the subject of which
00:45:47.640we didn't go through them just sitting with the finger at the ready to start going through
00:45:52.980all the photos of leo and and francis of unhappy memory bowing down to pachamama um the false idol
00:46:04.980um blessing blocks of ice this is where their heart is and yet when it comes to the sspx
00:46:12.640they demand obedience right i would not i i would not i do not i will not put my obedience in the0.56
00:46:19.880hands of these highling shepherds jenny quick shout out to to birch gold and then we'll come
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00:47:23.640two minutes and the subject that i've been waiting all show or um to come over to talk to you about
00:47:29.640a little village church in italy had in its vestibule if i'm not mistaken under the watchful
00:47:37.98024-hour day uh cctv camera a statue of saint pio padre pio uh di pietro da pietro china um