Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 1042： Traditionalist Catholic “Schismatic” Consecrations In Ecône Switzerland Today

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00:00:27.100 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

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00:01:02.520 I know you don't like hearing that I know you try to do everything the world to stop that but you're

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00:01:10.700 line mega media I wish in my soul I wish that any of these people had a conscience ask yourself

00:01:19.260 What is my task and what is my purpose?

00:01:22.240 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:01:28.580 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:01:37.920 Wednesday, 1st of July, Anna Domini, 2026.

00:01:43.080 Hollandwell here at the helm.

00:01:44.180 Let's bring on Frank Walker and Jenny Holland straight away.

00:01:46.500 Hello, guys. Good evening to you both.

00:01:49.260 jenny's back after after her um has her skiving um welcome back on to the war room jenny hope

00:01:56.840 your skiving went well um okay so let's replay the um the uh the footage from associated press

00:02:06.540 that was their live five and a half hour feed today showing i think indicating the um the

00:02:12.380 seriousness um afforded to the consecrations today um that took place in a cone this is a

00:02:23.040 cone special uh 40 years basically frank walker in the making we've been talking about this every

00:02:30.860 wednesday for the last few months this is probably no this is without any doubt in my mind the most

00:02:37.340 important event in traditional Catholicism. Not this year, this decade, probably in the last

00:02:47.860 four decades since the last Episcopal Consecration. Folks, we're going to break this down for you

00:02:53.220 and explain over the course of this show today why what has happened today is so important for

00:03:01.220 traditionalism as a concept certainly for the catholic church um but before i do that

00:03:08.120 denver if you wouldn't mind would you just play a couple of seconds of that footage once again

00:03:13.520 because something struck struck out at me and i thought it was odd and i will ask my fellow

00:03:20.520 panelists opinion on this whether perhaps they just think i'm autistic uh let's go for it denver

00:03:25.720 if you wouldn't mind just playing a couple of seconds of that once again

00:03:29.360 does anything strike either of you about curious about that now i don't know if that

00:03:50.140 was the music that was being played

00:03:51.880 in the church today

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00:03:58.320 added that in as background.

00:04:01.840 It's Bach.

00:04:02.820 It's his pasticalia.

00:04:04.940 BWV 582 in C minor.

00:04:09.260 Now, the last time I checked,

00:04:12.440 Bach died in 1750, right?

00:04:19.720 The last time I checked, he was still dead, and he was a lifelong Lutheran.

00:04:25.200 There were many, many great things about Lutheranism, right?

00:04:28.360 Barc was probably all of them, but he's a Lutheran. 0.84

00:04:33.640 Strange choice of music to accompany what is the most overtly Catholic act, I think, since the Counter-Reformation. 0.93

00:04:50.420 Strange choice of music. 0.92

00:04:51.720 That's all I'm going to.

00:04:52.400 I'm just going to flag that up.

00:04:55.160 I'm not going to say there's some people, trads, who say you shouldn't have Bach played at all on the church organ.

00:05:03.640 in Catholic liturgical settings, because he was a Lutheran.

00:05:07.860 I get where they're coming from.

00:05:10.920 I'm not that autistic as to say, oh, no, you can't do that.

00:05:15.360 I don't particularly find that sort of strange,

00:05:20.720 though I would understand why some trads are uneasy about that.

00:05:28.320 But on today of all days, I just thought it was a strange thing.

00:05:32.980 Unless, of course, the suggestion is that this is fundamentally a Protestant act, a protesting act against the papal primacy.

00:05:44.960 I don't know. I'm not going to dwell on it.

00:05:46.520 I just thought it was a strange musical choice and these things, the symbolism is always important.

00:05:53.140 OK, Frank Walker, let's break this down today. Why today is so important?

00:05:56.380 So for our largely American audience, our largely evangelical audience, just to recap what traditionalism is in the Catholic context,

00:06:08.260 the trad Catholics very jealously guard the idea that the Catholic Church is unchanging throughout time on all the essentials. 0.64

00:06:21.240 It teaches the same doctrines, dogmas, as were believed at the time of the apostles. 0.74

00:06:28.700 Some of these things have been formally defined by the church.

00:06:33.780 But from the Catholic Church's understanding of what papal infallibility is when defining dogma,

00:06:45.480 It's simply asserting that X has always been believed right from the beginning of the church.

00:06:51.980 There's nothing new. This is what Catholics, traditional Catholics say.

00:06:57.780 There's nothing new in what the church teaches about this.

00:07:03.680 It might represent certain truths in new ways, according to the times.

00:07:10.000 But on all the elements to do with faith and salvation, the substance is effectively unchanging because it comes from Christ.

00:07:21.140 And then, of course, on top of that, you have certain things that have grown up throughout time because the Catholic Church has been a pilgrim church throughout human history.

00:07:31.580 It has absorbed certain practices throughout the medieval period, for example, before that from the Dark Ages that are still extant today.

00:07:41.260 And they're not essential to Catholic belief, but they're very dearly held on to by Catholics and quite properly wouldn't be discarded without good reason.

00:07:53.580 and then the second vatican council which was the great rupture of the catholic church between

00:08:04.620 60 62 65 um all of that changed really the the official justification especially in the liturgy

00:08:17.460 but obviously not only in the liturgy also in terms of the substance of the faith

00:08:21.320 the ostensible pretext was we're going to make the church we're going to eliminate all the

00:08:29.460 differences between ourselves and the protestants and bring the protestants on board i say that was

00:08:35.440 a pretext because i think it's pretty clear that the people who were pushing the second

00:08:40.640 vatican council had no intention whatsoever of bringing the protestants on board they just

00:08:45.680 wanted to stop the Catholics from believing 0.99

00:08:47.500 the Catholic faith 1.00

00:08:49.280 and understood like that

00:08:51.420 I think it puts this very clearly on a

00:08:53.380 spiritual plane, what has been going on

00:08:55.400 and 70 years onwards

00:08:57.560 and after the Second Vatican

00:08:59.420 Council, there is a division

00:09:01.180 between the concilia Catholics

00:09:03.160 which is 99% 0.99

00:09:04.880 really of what

00:09:06.860 people will be familiar with

00:09:08.760 when they perhaps see the Catholic

00:09:11.520 Church in their village or what have you

00:09:13.480 or go to the Mass

00:09:15.500 on Sundays. And then

00:09:17.360 Frank is probably not even 1%.

00:09:19.600 Trad 0.98

00:09:21.100 Catholics, where 1.00

00:09:23.260 available, will go to the old 1.00

00:09:25.320 Latin Mass, the traditional Latin Mass,

00:09:27.440 the Tridentine Mass, which is

00:09:29.320 obviously a product of

00:09:31.500 the formalized

00:09:33.160 during the Counter-Reformation,

00:09:36.160 but the unchanging

00:09:37.620 elements of that, especially the canon

00:09:39.540 of the Mass itself, goes back to, I think,

00:09:41.500 the third century, right? Unchanged.

00:09:44.840 Yes.

00:09:45.500 onwards go on go and thank you if you want to say something that's often lied about they they

00:09:52.480 love to say the liberals love to say that this mass that you see here uh and with the sspx

00:09:58.380 is just another version of the mass it's been going on for a long time and they like this piece

00:10:04.000 of the new york times they says you know there was moving from greek to latin there were a lot

00:10:08.340 of differences over time now a lot of people aren't european there's always differences in

00:10:13.480 discussion. No, there's something fundamental about that Latin mass that goes back to Christ

00:10:20.420 and the apostles. And you can't just, you know, we're talking about thousands and thousands and

00:10:25.960 thousands of years. You can't just invent a completely new thing. That's not the way the

00:10:30.800 church works. And I think that a lot of the confusion, like you mentioned here, they think

00:10:36.760 of themselves as traditionalists. Even these Catholics will call themselves traditionalists.

00:10:41.460 They're deferential to tradition, but really what they are is they're just Catholic and they're just going back to what is Catholic because God doesn't care about what's new or what's old. 0.55

00:10:53.480 God's always been there. And the church is very old. And so today we live in this world where all of the forces, all the powers constantly throwing new things on us.

00:11:02.740 I mean, we're living in a world that's so completely new and invented.

00:11:06.480 We're living in this invented world.

00:11:08.800 And so we look like if you hang on to some things from the past, your deferential, for

00:11:14.840 instance, to marriage, for example, they tell you that you're a traditionalist, that you

00:11:19.500 just like old stuff.

00:11:22.040 But that's not what this is about at all.

00:11:23.540 This is just like, this is just about being a Catholic.

00:11:27.580 Being a Catholic is something that goes way, way back.

00:11:31.020 And like I think you mentioned last week, Ben, human nature is the same all the time, and people have the same problems, and they have the same solutions.

00:11:40.440 So God is the same, human beings are the same, and the mass should be the same, what it always has been.

00:11:48.800 And I think that people are responding to that, and they love to inflate, like you're mentioning, oh, just a tiny, and the New York Times say, oh, it's just a tiny fraction of people who are these traditionalists. 0.53

00:11:59.360 but they love to inflate how many people that they call it oh there's over a billion catholics out

00:12:05.260 there well i mean do any of them go to church do any of them to believe the things that the

00:12:10.440 church teaches because that's another aspect to it it's not just the mass it's do they believe

00:12:15.580 the things that the church teaches it's not just about being traditional it's just about

00:12:18.860 are you going to believe a religion that's new today and and completely different than it was

00:12:23.680 yesterday no you're going to say well i'll believe whatever i think is best that's not how

00:12:28.140 the catholic church works that's not how god works so many things that to um to go through

00:12:35.720 right first thing first thing we'll talk more about this david gibson article and that just

00:12:41.640 shows the malevolence of the new york times right on today of all days they go to david gibson

00:12:47.000 um for this anti-catholic uh screed uh from one of the world's most notorious

00:12:55.340 modernist catholics i mean honestly they could have given it to santigidio and it wouldn't have

00:13:00.220 come out any more anti-catholic than that firstly the look at the cynicism i look we'll try and get

00:13:06.320 the the link of this article out so people can read it themselves but look at the cynicism of

00:13:10.680 what gibson's arguing there that um that the tridentine church is basically was was basically

00:13:17.780 european well that that's a that's a that's a given fact of course it was the impetus of the

00:13:23.120 pre-conciliar faith that pushed the church out to evangelize, to bring the gospel to Latin America

00:13:31.120 and all sorts, Columbus and all sorts. So that's what happened under the pre-conciliar

00:13:38.700 faith. People fulfilled the great commandment of Christ to take his teachings to all nations

00:13:50.660 and baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

00:13:53.200 It's under the post-conciliar church that what was set up by the pre-conciliar church has imploded. 0.98

00:14:02.180 And now the other religions are coming in.

00:14:04.900 Jenny's got more about that, which will hit after the break.

00:14:07.780 And I do need to quickly go to a shout out in one moment.

00:14:11.860 But I want to say, OK, OK, the pre-conciliar church was European.

00:14:17.780 Fair enough.

00:14:18.580 Now, the bulk of believing Catholics are in the Southern Hemisphere. Fair enough, right? 0.99

00:14:27.040 When I say look at the cynicism of David Gibson, though, that is most stark, that reality of the contemporary Catholic Church,

00:14:37.160 that is most stark, the fact that the Church fundamentally right now in terms of numbers and vocations is in the Southern Hemisphere

00:14:45.160 on the teachings on sexual morality and the family, right?

00:14:50.700 That is where the conservatism in the Catholic Church

00:14:54.820 numerically is right now, Frank Walker.

00:14:57.360 It's in the Southern Hemisphere.

00:14:59.600 And we all remember how under Bergoglio's hijacking of the church,

00:15:05.820 under the outer aspects of synodality,

00:15:08.660 tried to impose the change on the church.

00:15:13.720 and Cardinal Casper gave an interview

00:15:18.520 and I talked to Edward Penton.

00:15:22.600 And then it was so bad, Casper denied ever saying it

00:15:26.940 and then Ed Penton produced the tapes.

00:15:30.920 He said, well, your eminence is you did say it.

00:15:32.660 What did he say?

00:15:33.580 Casper said that the African church

00:15:35.480 wasn't basically so important in his view on the synod.

00:15:39.920 So here's Gibson saying,

00:15:41.580 no, we need to widen the church's appeal 1.00

00:15:43.780 because the Preconcilia Church

00:15:45.600 was European. But actually these people

00:15:47.680 could not care less about

00:15:49.580 what the Southern

00:15:51.620 Hemispheric Church actually

00:15:53.660 believes. They could not care less. 0.95

00:15:55.520 That's why it's all of a pretext.

00:15:57.560 Frank Walker, I'm going to come back with you and finish

00:15:59.080 respond to what you were saying.

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00:18:00.800 Bannon to 9899. Frank Walker, let me come back to you and then I'm going to quickly go over to Jenny and get her reading on this. But what you were just saying right now, and that the traditionalists aren't just basically cultists over stuff because it's old, really we need to just give a shout out to what traditionalism is in the Catholic sense.

00:18:31.540 It's not like in the secular sense where tradition is something,

00:18:34.220 oh, let's put up tinsel at Christmas time, put tinsel on the tree because it's tradition.

00:18:41.960 As in, like we did it last year, it's been done every year for a hundred years.

00:18:45.340 You know, we'll put a mistletoe and kiss under the mistletoe because it's a tradition. 0.98

00:18:48.860 That's not what Catholics understand by tradition.

00:18:51.440 For Catholics, tradition really comes from the Latin verb tradere, which means to hand on.

00:18:59.720 And so when Catholics use the term tradition, the idea is that they are, as St. Paul said, passing on what they themselves have received in an unbroken chain that goes back to Christ and the apostles themselves.

00:19:14.660 That's why Catholics or traditional Catholics are so reluctant to change and even less reluctant to embrace novelties.

00:19:26.540 Before I go over to Jenny, Frank, I just want to run this past you

00:19:30.060 because this is fundamentally the importance here.

00:19:32.760 And you said this actually on previous Wednesdays,

00:19:36.220 but it is the most important point to make today of all days.

00:19:42.440 But not all, Tradi Inc. won't agree here, right?

00:19:47.580 The Latin mass is important.

00:19:49.920 It's the heart and soul of the traditionalist movement,

00:19:53.440 but it is not the full story right because if you're going to the latin mass because you like

00:19:58.740 the latin and you like to see your priest in late in lace but on the other hand you've wholesale

00:20:07.080 abandoned the faith that lies underneath that then what you are cultivating isn't the catholic faith

00:20:14.920 that is really that is cultish behavior right very few trads that i know uh do do that but there

00:20:22.120 are a few right there are a few the importance is that the traditional latin mass nourishes the

00:20:28.740 traditional catholic faith um because that is the faith that was passed on from saint paul david

00:20:35.000 frank i'll go to jenny but first if you if you want to respond to that because i know you do say

00:20:39.180 that constantly i'll just hand over the word quickly to you yes and um and ben you mentioned

00:20:45.260 that you didn't think that they would come down too hard on them because of this today looking at

00:20:49.780 the new yesterday leo was condemning them telling them to turn back and cardinal muller was calling

00:20:54.020 schismatic today like at the new york times it's a lament it's a lament they are terrified they're

00:21:00.600 terrified of what they did and the sspx they treated leo like well the more that you were you

00:21:05.180 act like say you're pope the more we're going to treat you like pope and expect you to be catholic

00:21:09.700 so even his political ploys like sending a letter telling him to turn back they come back with love

00:21:14.660 We know you can do it, Leo. We love you. They just give him Christian leadership.

00:21:21.380 And they are terrified at the deep state New York Times today.

00:21:25.700 They're like, the whole Leo stunt's over. It's a crisis.

00:21:29.060 These populists are going to rebel now.

00:21:32.120 Everybody is so upset because now there are six traditional bishops at the SSPX.

00:21:36.780 I think you're right. I don't think they're going to come down too hard on them.

00:21:40.020 It remains to be seen. They're hopeful. David Gibson is hopeful that Leo might come down hard

00:21:45.400 because he's not like a political guy. He's like a Nazi. He can do what he wants. But 0.97

00:21:49.980 this is the golden goose. When they lose the Catholics from the Leo church, then they have 1.00

00:21:55.740 nothing. They have no growth. And so I think that everybody is going to try to be very nice. 1.00

00:22:01.280 Cardinal Mueller is moving back to the Benedict era. He's turned into this nice guy when he was

00:22:06.660 attacking everybody yesterday. He's saying

00:22:08.740 Trudis Jonas Christos was bad. They shouldn't

00:22:10.840 have cancelled the Latin Mass. They should be

00:22:12.860 nicer. You know, it's just

00:22:14.460 today is a new day

00:22:16.540 after the courage that these Catholics

00:22:19.000 showed. You can see it all over

00:22:20.920 the world. That's so important. Jenny,

00:22:22.600 please bear with me

00:22:24.120 on this. I was going to come to you, but

00:22:26.860 look, we

00:22:28.920 really see today how badly

00:22:30.960 Trad Inc. has failed, right?

00:22:33.800 Too important, Frank, what you're

00:22:35.020 saying not to respond to this what have we seen the austrian school economists have a saying that

00:22:43.280 when the tide goes out you get to see who was swimming without any trunks on for 40 years we've

00:22:49.560 had trad inc who set themselves up as the arbiter of what is legitimate catholicism and what is not

00:22:57.040 they sit there on the you know as bet golly would have said on the judgment seat of moses and act as

00:23:02.520 arbiter right and as as the ultimate word in what traditionalism is i you and i are the same heart

00:23:11.840 of this we cannot have more contempt for these people the tide has gone out no one really expected

00:23:17.740 the sspx though you and i were calling for this basically since we started uh this show a year

00:23:24.640 ago that the sspx needed to provide for its future security and consecrate some bishops

00:23:29.660 But when they announced it a couple of months ago, it rather took the world by surprise.

00:23:37.440 And Trad Inc., right, almost universally has come down against this schismatic act, as Pope Leo called it yesterday.

00:23:48.780 And what has been even more discouraging, Frank Walker, is that all Trad Inc.'s,

00:23:55.440 and I'm not going to embarrass them and name them, right,

00:23:59.760 but all of Tradink's pocket cardinals, right,

00:24:03.740 all of them have come out and said the SSPX

00:24:08.100 shouldn't go through with the consecrations today.

00:24:11.540 By my counting, correct me if I'm wrong,

00:24:13.620 by my counting, there were only two bishops,

00:24:17.280 one bishop, one archbishop,

00:24:19.340 who came out and supported the SSPX.

00:24:23.460 bishop schneider right in kazakhstan an auxiliary bishop my god that god that that guy has courage

00:24:31.600 right that guy has courage to to do that bishop schneider um who's been on this show with steve

00:24:38.700 and archbishop vegano right um who has already been ex excommunicated by pope francis those are

00:24:47.180 the only two that hierarchs that i can name who who had the courage to come out and and support

00:24:53.500 that does not does not show the moral bankruptcy of trad inc who for the last 40 years have been

00:25:01.060 grifting a living of pretending to be trads of acting as the arbiter for what is legitimate

00:25:08.340 catholicism and when push comes to shove when the tide goes out we we have gotten to see who was

00:25:14.840 swimming in the seawaters of traditionalism without any trucks on, right? All of them,

00:25:20.600 basically. It was desperation. They went to them at the last minute, too, because they had nothing

00:25:26.240 else they can do. But even today, Cardinal Kissy Fernandez, who is supposed to be threatening

00:25:30.260 excommunication, says, well, maybe we can do some more dialogue. We haven't dialogued enough with

00:25:35.880 them. So I think that this is a great day for the Catholic Church. And with six bishops, the SSPX is

00:25:43.420 going to continue to grow, and hopefully they'll continue to work together with these guys and

00:25:47.960 help them to come more this way, which is what they're terrified about in the deep state.

00:25:53.440 Remember, they stick the FBI on the SSPX because they're so awfully afraid of them politically

00:25:59.920 that it's all about politics. They're afraid of these people that do not have this new Vatican

00:26:05.140 II world, this openness that they created, that they foisted on the church. They're rejecting

00:26:11.280 what's been placed on it and they're fake pope this is what the new york times gets right in

00:26:18.800 its headline that this is leo's first crisis right and the first crisis and we'll see how

00:26:25.240 he's going to handle it because correct me if i'm wrong but since we came on air there hasn't been

00:26:30.000 any note out from from the vatica to say that the sspx uh the bishops the the bishops who

00:26:36.860 consecrated the bishops who have been consecrated or even the laity who participated whether they

00:26:42.100 have been excommunicated you're right i did say previously i don't think though that they will be

00:26:48.400 but let's let's um let's wait and see i think leo wants to keep the game going of getting trad

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00:30:38.800 Well, I think it's called the Thrice Proclaimed Dogma

00:30:41.920 because it's found its way into three separate dogmatic pronouncements

00:30:48.240 over the 2,000 years of the church's history.

00:30:51.340 Extra ecclesiae nulla salus.

00:30:53.400 Outside the church, there is no salvation.

00:30:56.500 And that is really crystallized some of Christ's own teachings,

00:31:02.580 like no one can come to the Father except through me, and what have you,

00:31:07.320 to drive the missionary spirit of the church for 500 years.

00:31:11.920 From when man was able to navigate the oceans in sailboats,

00:31:20.780 the missionaries went out with the explorers on the necessary need

00:31:28.560 to bring the gospel of our Lord to whatever peoples they might find

00:31:35.860 in the corners of the world, as Christ said,

00:31:38.520 go, therefore, to all nations, ad agentes.

00:31:43.000 So what we were saying in the first half of the show,

00:31:50.480 that after the Second Vatican Council,

00:31:54.140 that direction, that momentum has inverted,

00:31:57.900 and now other cultures are coming to the West.

00:32:01.820 uh there is no clearer example of my thesis i i don't attribute it to frank walker as well

00:32:12.520 um unless he wants to do that that the hierarchy of the catholic church is in the hands of usurpers

00:32:19.780 that don't hold the catholic faith that hate the catholic faith than what took place recently in

00:32:24.540 the vatican jenny holland's got the details here that the church welcomed representatives of the

00:32:31.320 dharmic religions that is to say buddhists hindus and what have you um hosted by what i like to call

00:32:40.460 the dicastery for the promotion of religious syncretism that is effectively effectively

00:32:47.240 what it is we'll read through some of its the syncretic pronouncements in the declaration

00:32:52.380 the the presiding cardinal released after this event um it's horrific to to see this um but it

00:33:00.060 really does illustrate the absolute difference between the pre-concilia church and the post-concilia

00:33:05.260 church because the pre-concilia church was interested in evangelization and did evangelization

00:33:11.340 and racked up huge numbers of martyrs uh in doing so in taking the faith out to the peoples

00:33:18.760 ad gentes the post-concilia church is interested in dialogue which isn't which has no end to it

00:33:27.500 It's just a process, but pretty explicitly and obviously does not have, as it's focused, bringing the gospel of Christ to people who don't have it.

00:33:36.900 Jenny, what took place in the Vatican under the patronage of the Vatican a couple of weeks ago?

00:33:45.020 And what conclusions do you draw from that in the light of everything we've been discussing on the show today on our Cone special?

00:33:53.000 yeah so as you said last week there was a um convening of faith leaders from the uh dharmic

00:34:02.800 religion so the sub indian content the indian subcontinent hinduism uh buddhism sikhism and

00:34:09.800 jainism um and they came and they sat and had a sort of talking shop with uh vatican the vatican

00:34:19.100 through the dicastery of, oh, I'm blanking on the rest of the name, religious, interreligious

00:34:25.480 dialogue. Thank you. Interreligious dialogue. So, I mean, my big picture, big picture as not,

00:34:32.540 as not a non-Catholic and as the resident atheist of the show, I would put the big picture here is

00:34:40.500 good, strong fences make good neighbors. As a general statement, I find this to be

00:34:47.180 very, very accurate and very apt. Does Europe have strong fences at this particular time?

00:34:54.280 No, it does not. So I think the idea of a happy, clappy, multi-faith gathering where everyone

00:35:03.560 sits around and shares bread and wine and has great discussions and claps each other on the

00:35:11.160 back, that's a wonderful idea when your own church is robust and confident and deeply rooted and

00:35:19.380 deeply connected with the salt of the earth people who make up the church. And none of those things

00:35:25.280 are the case for the Catholic Church today, as you were just going over in fascinating detail

00:35:30.460 with Frank. So the dicastery, as you would probably be able to explain better than me, Ben,

00:35:36.960 has sort of an appendage maybe from the Vatican two days and the kind of modernization of the

00:35:45.440 church that is so much of the focus of your ire. And I believe rightly so. Again, not exactly

00:35:53.600 having a dog in this fight. I think that the thing that makes the church most vibrant and

00:35:59.860 most interesting today is not the elites hobnobbing and powwowing with each other

00:36:09.120 in the halls of the Vatican and pretending like the population of Europe isn't facing

00:36:16.660 a multitude of crises, many of which are directly tied to, let's call it, an abundance of diversity

00:36:26.540 on the continent of Europe, instead of facing that reality and nurturing the tradition and the thing

00:36:34.640 that makes the Catholic faith so revered and for centuries, for millennia, it's turning us back on

00:36:43.040 those Assault of the Earth members and turning instead to kind of a globalist, you know, play

00:36:52.840 acting. Everyone's pretending to be statesmen. Everyone's pretending to be Nelson Mandela.

00:36:57.320 Everyone's pretending that it's all the Nobel Peace Prize. And isn't this great? And aren't

00:37:01.360 we all so very civilized where conditions on the ground are becoming less civilized every

00:37:06.340 passing day? I really think it's very interesting that this happened last week because something

00:37:12.240 that I'm not sure has crossed your notice yet, Ben, but something happened last week with your

00:37:17.840 King, King Charles, whose office released sort of a yearly statement, a kind of administrative

00:37:23.960 account of the sovereign grant. And in the preamble or the introduction to this document,

00:37:31.360 the language describing King Charles's role was changed from defender of faith to something like

00:37:41.640 defender of religion in a multi-religion nation. I can get the exact language for you here now in

00:37:49.880 a moment. But in so doing, basically, although this is not an official title change, like

00:37:56.980 it's not going to be put on the pound coins or on the money anytime soon, but it is a bureaucratic

00:38:05.000 tell that uh within the um what do you call it administration of king charles i'm not sure sorry

00:38:13.620 i'm i'm an american as you can see from my shirt i don't have a king but um the uh well hang on

00:38:20.320 we'll put the um the the what's that expression that the supreme court used this week the um

00:38:28.500 the unitary theory of the executive to one side for a moment as we're talking about Americans

00:38:36.480 not having kings. Please go on. Well, King Charles is now, his job is now to protect the space for

00:38:47.740 faith within the multi-faith nation. So that is your king, Ben, claiming that he now protects

00:38:55.700 the space for faith within the multi-faith nation. Once again, this is the same exact

00:39:02.940 problem. This is the same exact theory of mind between the elites ruling Britain,

00:39:08.680 including your own king and the Vatican. They are not interested in serving the people any longer.

00:39:18.340 They are not interested in serving, in particular, the indigenous people or the original believers, 0.94

00:39:24.060 the people who built the church and stayed with the church for thousands of years through all

00:39:29.480 sorts of terrible events. The elites are so ahead. They're so, as they say, they've lost the run of

00:39:37.320 themselves, as we would say here in Ireland. They believe that they know better than the people.

00:39:42.140 They believe that they are far, far above the people spiritually, and in fact, don't even need

00:39:48.740 to deign to lead them any longer because their real audience, their true audience is not God.

00:39:56.120 And it's certainly not the subject of the British crown. It is their fellow elites who are all

00:40:02.920 buying into, if you want to be glib about it, this trend. I mean, I personally think it's deeper than

00:40:08.180 that, but they sort of flounce around the world acting like it is some kind of trend in which

00:40:14.280 They're all part of a special cast, not of Christians or Catholics or Church of England, but of rich elites.

00:40:22.800 And it's a globalist cast and they share the values, but they are skinwalking on the old traditions and they are wrapping themselves in the mantle and the majesty and the authority of the old traditions whilst completely abandoning the people who make the traditions,

00:40:40.840 who have made the traditions for thousands of years

00:40:43.880 and also the very belief system that sustained those people.

00:40:48.640 It's an absolute travesty on both counts.

00:40:53.280 I learned something that I didn't know that perhaps I should have known

00:40:57.060 from what you were saying, and that is that the palace has announced

00:41:01.480 the revision of the Defensor Fidei title bestowed on,

00:41:08.480 was it Henry VIII?

00:41:11.160 I think it might have been Henry VIII,

00:41:12.440 Defender of the Faith by Pope Leo X,

00:41:17.820 and to which all of Henry VIII's heirs and successes

00:41:22.160 have, down to Charles,

00:41:25.820 have also used that title Defender of the Faith,

00:41:28.240 which will probably kick off a huge debate,

00:41:32.100 an existential debate in the UK.

00:41:35.520 that came from

00:41:37.700 the Pope that bestowed

00:41:40.160 it on the English monarch and the English monarch

00:41:42.320 then passed it down

00:41:44.000 to his heirs and successors

00:41:46.260 and now he's changed it

00:41:49.740 okay but you know what you're saying

00:41:52.220 the statement that the palace put out

00:41:54.340 justifying that change

00:41:56.260 is very similar is it not

00:41:58.360 to what the Vatican was saying

00:42:00.040 in this meeting with the Dharmic religions

00:42:02.600 let's have a look at what

00:42:04.180 Cardinal Kuvacad, open brackets, crazy name, crazy guy, close brackets, said, because it's a whole load of cliches and platitudes.

00:42:16.720 Look, I read this statement. I went through it with my markup pen. And I tell you this, right?

00:42:23.660 AI wouldn't have written something. If AI had been charged of writing something, it wouldn't have written something so bad.

00:42:30.440 It would have sounded more human.

00:42:32.420 it would have said yeah less robotic this is full of some of these things like looking and i quote

00:42:38.860 right uh looking to europe cardinal kovacad recalled the continent's cultural and religious

00:42:45.700 heritage and its history of diverse groups living together amid migration globalization

00:42:51.560 and demographic change what does that even mean right it's it's just like getting a random

00:42:59.000 calculator of platitudes and throwing our buzzwords together um in grammatical order saying we've

00:43:05.180 created a sentence it literally means nothing how about this uh the cardinal described europe as a

00:43:10.360 rich melting pot in quote marks of ethnic groups languages and religious traditions really your

00:43:17.340 emmons is that what you think europe is a heritage he said should be valued in order to build and i

00:43:23.840 I quote, an inclusive, cohesive and harmonious society that respects human dignity and human rights, including Frank Walker, the right to profess and practice one's own religion.

00:43:35.740 This is a fundamental division between the Preconcilia Catholic Church and the Postconcilia Expression, because the Preconcilia Church was very clear that you have no right to religious, basically to religious error.

00:43:54.980 So you have no right to practice a false religion.

00:43:58.740 If his eminence, Cardinal Kuvacad, was really pushed by charity, a true charity.

00:44:11.260 I mean, the word fraternal is all over this.

00:44:13.300 But if he was really pushed by fraternal charity, he would be bringing the truth to people who are in darkness, right?

00:44:23.640 the fact that he's not doing and he's indulging them and allowing them to stay in darkness is an

00:44:29.000 indication to me that his his charity is is somewhat fake and it's all as i say it's all

00:44:36.440 by the way let me just read this to you because we've got to go on to the next story of jenny's

00:44:40.400 right um they had this meeting this dicastery for the promotion of religious syncretism it was

00:44:47.480 organized at um the pontifical university of saint thomas aquinas well that shows you that they've

00:44:52.820 got a sense of humor right um under the theme and i quote and i quote so help me i quote buddhists

00:45:01.920 christians hindus james and sikhs in europe colon building fraternity through dialogue and club

00:45:09.900 collaboration really really you listed them vatican my dear vatican in that order right

00:45:17.460 buddhist christians hindus jains and sikhs christianity is just one one yeah amongst

00:45:24.220 many right the relativism here is in your face it's disgusting yes christ said right no one can 0.68

00:45:32.200 come to the father but through me and yet here these usurpers right render christ as just one

00:45:39.700 holy itinerant prophet in a pantheon of false gods and we did see on the subject of which

00:45:47.640 we didn't go through them just sitting with the finger at the ready to start going through

00:45:52.980 all the photos of leo and and francis of unhappy memory bowing down to pachamama um the false idol

00:46:04.980 um blessing blocks of ice this is where their heart is and yet when it comes to the sspx

00:46:12.640 they demand obedience right i would not i i would not i do not i will not put my obedience in the 0.56

00:46:19.880 hands of these highling shepherds jenny quick shout out to to birch gold and then we'll come

00:46:25.320 to you for the for the concluding story because we have three minutes left uh folks get your

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00:47:17.960 talk you through what your options are Bannon B-A-N-N-O-N to 9-8-9-8-9-8-9-8 Jenny we've got

00:47:23.640 two minutes and the subject that i've been waiting all show or um to come over to talk to you about

00:47:29.640 a little village church in italy had in its vestibule if i'm not mistaken under the watchful

00:47:37.980 24-hour day uh cctv camera a statue of saint pio padre pio uh di pietro da pietro china um

00:47:49.620 there was a blood tear

00:47:51.560 emerged on his face and the priest

00:47:53.980 went back, bizarrely tried to

00:47:56.000 wipe it off

00:47:56.720 first, then went back, checked the footage

00:48:00.020 and nobody

00:48:03.220 was seen

00:48:06.080 on that footage going on and applying this

00:48:07.840 the folks

00:48:09.900 at home, even if they're not Catholic

00:48:11.840 might be interested in this story

00:48:14.000 can you just give the bare essentials

00:48:15.800 as we leap towards

00:48:18.040 the closing seconds of the show so it's a small town near naples called casalba i believe and

00:48:25.640 yeah exactly as you said the statue which is made of fiberglass was seen to have produce a single

00:48:34.180 sort of track of a tear and the priest described it as so precise in its sort of path along the

00:48:40.840 face of padre pio that it couldn't it could not have even been put there by michelangelo that's

00:48:47.580 how that's how specific and so tidy it was um and they have sent the in addition to checking the

00:48:54.500 cctv footage which showed no one interfering with the statue and putting the putting material on it

00:49:01.860 they have sent the um what they think might be blood off to a lab to get tested um and so you

00:49:09.060 know as i've seen with other similar stories the the priest is not making a big sort of sort of

00:49:15.160 carnival-esque show about this. In fact, they seem to be treating it with some kind of caution

00:49:19.740 and not kind of running with a fake miracle kind of angle. And I mean, that's kind of how I approach

00:49:28.800 all of these when you send them my way, is sort of skeptical but curious, because I still live

00:49:34.480 in the material modern reality world where all my life I've been told that those things were

00:49:40.280 superstitions from the past and from mountain people and unsophisticated people who didn't

00:49:44.760 know how to read and didn't know the science tm peace be upon it and all that kind of stuff

00:49:50.640 um and yet i find that with these crazy upside down times we live in now i find myself much

00:49:59.420 more open to these possible miracles simply because um well if we live in a world where

00:50:07.520 smart quote-unquote educated people can believe men can lactate and have babies then why can't

00:50:13.060 god produce miracles i think god producing miracles seems a lot more likely and less

00:50:17.800 crazy um and so we'll see i mean jenny 10 seconds social media where do people go sorry to cut

00:50:25.800 into you we've got a hard out here where do people go on social media uh best place is

00:50:30.680 youtube at saving culture from itself and save and on substack uh jenny e holland does substack

00:50:37.760 uh and semper femina um onyx uh frank walker 10 seconds social media and in 212 and it's all

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00:51:00.980 fallout on the sspx consecrations that's all folks back uh next wednesday thanks to will

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