00:00:29.980regime pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people here's not got a free
00:00:37.780shot all these networks lying about the people the people have had a belly full of it i know you
00:00:43.460don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything in the world to stop that but you're
00:00:46.460not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like that go to share the big
00:00:50.860line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a conscience ask yourself
00:00:59.420what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country this country will
00:01:07.280be saved war room here's your host stephen k bannon
00:01:12.080friday 3rd of july anno domini 2000 and 26 hornwell here at the helm on steve bannon's
00:01:25.500war room i'm going to explain what that cold open was but not immediately i've got something else
00:01:31.740an announcement that i will start the show with today um regular viewers will know that we have
00:01:38.300on the show quite frequently a beloved figure in the english patriotic nationalist movement ryan
00:01:45.300bridge co-founder of raise the colors this is the organization that's going around the uk
00:01:52.880where it's not legally suppressed from doing so and simply raising the English flag,
00:02:00.160the flag of St. George, for which he has been arrested and suffered all sorts of ignominy.
00:02:09.680Right. And as befits a patriot, he therefore comes under attack quite regularly on this occasion here.
00:02:18.660Denny, if you wouldn't mind popping up that graphic on the screen for me, quite an appalling, brutal, savage attack by an organisation calling themselves Birmingham Anti-Fascists.
00:02:34.520Of course, their tactics are every bit from the fascist playbook.
00:02:42.080And I just want to say to these guys, because the issue here was that there was somebody in a Raise the Colors T-shirt causing some problems.
00:02:59.760And Ryan Bridge said he had no idea who this guy was.
00:03:02.480at an event um and had suggested on the war room that this was simply an infiltrator an antifa
00:03:11.000infiltrator who'd bought the merch and doing the usual stuff that antifa does and we'll get on
00:04:53.000there are few organizations in the uk that i have as much time and respect for as raise the colors
00:04:59.060go to go to raise the colors official.com um and throw them some help um they're doing great work
00:05:07.540okay so on with the show what was that we had in the the cold open just before the opening credits
00:05:14.840that was that took place in the european parliament a couple of weeks ago and the
00:05:21.440chanting you could hear there were the words send them back and they're talking they just passed a
00:05:29.120returns bill in the european parliament a huge majority numerical majority and so the right
00:05:38.660were shouting send them back and the left were shouting shame um what i would say about that
00:05:45.440And I have my reasons to believe that this is somewhat of a performative exercise, and one of those reasons is that the model that they're claiming they're basing this new returns policy on is based on the model established here in Italy by Prime Minister Giorgio Maloney,
00:06:11.160known to the war room audience as phony maloney why do we why are we so harsh on her why do we
00:06:19.080call her phony well this is a perfect example of why she spent over five years 800 billion
00:06:25.080excuse me 800 million euros that's about 900 million dollars0.59
00:06:31.840to send back to centers, return centers in Albania,
00:06:41.000what the Italian government was saying would be amount to about 36,000 invaders per year.
00:06:49.160And in five years, and phony maloney this September will reach the landmark
00:06:55.240of the longest surviving Italian government since the Second World War,0.98
00:06:59.600the foundation of the modern republic for those five years in power what does she have to show
00:07:05.120for that having trumpeted 36 000 per year 111 no not 111 000 111 invaders sent back for the grand
00:07:23.020total of 800 million euros and you have no idea how many press releases we have had to suffer here
00:07:32.120in italy as the government was trumpeting its seriousness getting to grips with the invasion
00:07:38.860issue um that's why i have a slight suspicion that this european parliament initiative is going to
00:07:45.400produce much with me to discuss that break this down is olivier bow who's the director of
00:07:55.240communications for order yours again one of my favorite organizations very happy to have spoken
00:08:01.060there in walsall um a couple of years ago olivier welcome back onto the show uh you guys were quite
00:08:08.460prophetic actually because um you hosted
00:08:13.760the polish translation of a report i think back in february that was actually written
00:08:22.600by our friends over at the matthias corinus college and the mcc that great organization
00:08:29.860that was uh supported very very very heavily by victor orban when he was in power um they
00:08:36.640produced a report you hosted the production of the polish version yeah and this was somewhat
00:08:45.520prophetic um not only anticipating the the vote in the european parliament last week but also
00:08:53.140i think you went far more structurally into this um and said hang on guys you know this as i say
00:09:00.400It was a report produced in sort of you were associated with it, with MCC.
00:09:05.480But I'll say you in this case, because you worked on the, you ever saw the Polish translation and you said, hang on, guys, hang on.
00:09:15.360Right. Actually, we ought not be looking so much to the European Union, to the European Commission, even to the European Parliament to resolve this issue,
00:09:25.140because the responsibility here never left the member states can you just say a bit more about
00:09:33.880that thesis because we're gonna have to break this down and ask if that is the case why have
00:09:39.400the member states been saying there's nothing we can do why is georgia maloney been saying there's
00:09:43.320nothing we can do it's all be it's all brussels responsibility tell us a bit about that report
00:09:49.180and then tell us the reaction to that because you guys have been pushing it quite hard and then tell
00:09:54.620me what you what you think uh about this return new returns policy as voted on in the european
00:10:01.180parliament uh about two weeks ago yes uh we our organization the order race institute actually
00:10:08.460contributed to this report on the merits but it was drafted by the mcc and the hungarian
00:10:19.100So, what we're saying in this report, and it's facts,
00:10:25.100it's that the migration policies have been taken over by Brussels,
00:10:32.100by the European Union institutions, by an evolution of the rules,
00:10:39.100by adopting different directives and regulations,
00:10:43.100Although in the European treaties, the main responsibility for migration policies rests in the nation-states, which are members of the European Union.
00:10:56.100Another thing is that the Court of Justice of the European Union often publish issues, rulings, which go further than they should, as per the Treaty on the European Union and the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
00:11:19.900An example, as you were talking about, Mrs. Melanie's attempt at sending incoming illegal immigrants to Albania while their asylum requests are processed, is a judgment by the Court of Justice of July last year, so a year ago,
00:11:46.880saying that any judge, I mean, a court should be allowed to question the list of safe states
00:11:58.780which are issued by national governments.
00:12:01.940Now, the member states have never transferred the competencies to the European Union
00:12:08.940to issue this kind of rulings, but this is what is happening.
00:12:13.660So the vote on June the 17th in the European Parliament was to give legal grounds which would allow member states again to have those hotspots outside of the European Union.
00:12:35.140Okay. Okay. Let's synthesize this. So you're saying that in the treatise that established the legal basis of the European Union with its legal personality, migration policy is clearly a member state's prerogative, right?
00:12:53.040if I understood what you were correcting
00:15:10.740However, in the European treaties, there is an obligation for EU countries to abide by the rulings of the European Court of Human Rights.
00:15:22.100So even if you change the rules at the EU level, you still have the problem of the ban on pushbacks and the ban on sending back migrants who are claiming for asylum.
00:15:40.740And by pushbacks, you mean the expulsion, the sending back of invaders out of the European Union member states.
00:15:51.800All right. OK. Of course, the European, for our largely American audience, I do want to make these distinctions.
00:16:00.660They're lost on a lot of Europeans as well.
00:16:03.220The European Court of Human Rights, whose judgments are binding on European Union member states,
00:16:10.180That European court in Strasbourg is not a European Union court, even though now to join the European Union, you must be a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights.
00:16:22.160It's a bit convoluted because, you know, it's a recognition of how the modern European Union came to be.
00:16:31.500But of course, signing that convention is now obligatory for EU members.
00:16:36.800And what Olivier is saying is that even if the European Union Court of Justice, which is the highest court in the European Union, like the US Supreme Court, even if that now recognizes the vote that took place in the European Parliament, that says quite clearly what Giorgia Maloney was trying to do in Italy of sending people back to these clearing centers in Albania.
00:17:00.060Even if the European Union Court of Justice says that is legal, if the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg says, no, no, you can't do that because that's against the invaders' human rights, that would be a ruling that would be binding on European Union member states.
00:17:17.980That just goes to show what a convoluted mess we are in in the European Union and how our own judiciaries can act against the democratic will of of of of the European peoples.
00:17:38.120And to some extent, it is I think the responsibility is at the governmental level, because it's at that level that you had these signatories, for example, with the Dublin Treaty, which famously said that migrants can legally claim if they are fleeing war asylum in countries.
00:17:58.440But that's the next, the most, the nearest stable and safe country that they arrive into after leaving their own war-torn territory.
00:18:09.040And of course, that's often used as a pretext for allowing people to stay.
00:18:14.300But of course, they've jumped over so many safe countries from getting from, I don't know, sub-Saharan Africa all the way up into the UK, for example.
00:18:22.760Well, you know, you've gone through all of the safe countries in Africa and then you've gone through all the countries in the Mediterranean on upwards, which just shows you what a whole hoax is.
00:18:32.000But there is as much as we can criticise the institutions of the European Union and courts which ostensibly exist to safeguard its citizens' human rights.
00:18:43.560Fundamentally, Olivier, I put the blame for this situation fair and square at the member states national government level, because it is convenient for them to, for various reasons, to promote pro-invasion policies and say, oh, there's nothing we can do about it because our hands are tied over in Brussels and at the court level.
00:19:07.140so it's a whole it's a whole mixture but um but for organizations like order your list
00:19:12.240that that's um that's why something's happening olivic bear with me two minutes i want to come
00:19:17.840back to you and then allow you to expand on um your thesis up until the end of this segment
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00:21:59.640July the 10th. That's when the offer ends. Alright, back to Olivier.
00:22:03.980So we agree on the thesis here that the responsibility
00:22:07.620is with the member states. Just tell me then a bit more
00:22:11.700about how this report that you sort of worked on um uh the translated in to polish released in
00:22:19.660to huge fanfare lots of uh senior polish politicians like saris volt saris volcy whose
00:22:26.680name even i recognize and i remember from from when i worked in the european parliament big
00:22:31.320luminaries there there was an important report just say what the fight just again the findings
00:22:37.200of this report once again, because this fundamentally, I think, changes the level of the debate,
00:22:43.420making sure that underlining that if member states want to take with both hands control
00:22:51.940over the invasion crisis besetting their country, they are fully entitled to do so.
00:22:59.360Just explain that thesis once again, if you wouldn't mind, Olivier.
00:23:02.380Yes. First, I'll add that it's also been translated into France by the NCC, which is important news, because it's probably France which is going to change the rules of the game next year, if the election goes as the opinion polls forecast.
00:25:19.520Just let me give me, because we've got like 90 seconds now until we have the hard out.
00:25:26.360Just give me 30 seconds. You flagged up the Geneva Convention.
00:25:29.700One of the speakers at the launch of the Polish version actually came out and said, you know, we need to leave the Geneva Convention. Do you add your voice to that? Is the issue of the Geneva Convention meddling with the rights of invaders so great now that it would make sense for certain member states to withdraw their signature from that document?
00:25:56.200yes exactly it was extended it was made for uh world war ii refugees when it was signed and then
00:26:06.440in 1967 it was expanded to all refugees around the world the situation was very different from
00:26:14.120us so we have to withdraw from this protocol olivier beau um as always very very grateful
00:26:22.680for you coming on the war in 20 seconds where do people go to learn more about what you're putting
00:26:27.300out incredible stuff at ordoyoris you go to the ordoyoris.pl website the english version which
00:26:38.220is available on this website and you write in the search engine taking back control from brussels
00:26:45.920or re-nationalization of migration policies,
00:26:49.840and you will find this report with all the proposals there.
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00:32:15.220secure that trouble will take place they're expecting 50 000 demonstrators of which
00:32:23.100in politico's own words 2500 of them are left-wing extremists so this is going to be the far
00:32:32.740left rabble-rousing antifa shock troops that is that's exactly what's going to be taking place
00:32:42.180now and these figures are apparently provided by the German secret services
00:32:50.160and which is unusual now Erin might correct me and explain why this is
00:32:55.920because these are the same people who are trying the same state organization
00:32:59.940which is trying to suppress the AFD as a political organization they're now
00:33:04.440coming out saying there's going to be trouble in Thuringia this weekend and
00:33:10.800And in fact, the German security apparatus has upgraded its warning and said that what was originally their worst case hypothesis is now the one they're actually expecting to take place.
00:33:30.100So, Aaron, why don't you just give me five minutes, explain what's taking place in Erfurt this weekend, why it's important, why the protesters are building.
00:33:38.740And then after that, in the second half of this segment, we're going to digest your article because you actually, in your usual structured way, you actually digest this and draw the relationship, which I've never seen before, between the firewall and the role that these protests have in maintaining that firewall,
00:34:01.900which is crucially important for anyone understanding the precarious situation that Germany is in now.
00:34:09.000But first of all, what's expected to happen this weekend and why is Politico and the German secret services coming out
00:34:17.180and telling everyone to pay attention to this?
00:34:23.020So what takes place this weekend in Erfurt is a party assembly,
00:34:27.980which for your audience may be best compared to an RNC.
00:34:33.340An RNC takes place annually and you have decisions which are made on a RNC,
00:34:40.480a candidate is nominated, and the German democracy parties
00:34:46.060play probably a much bigger role legally than in the US
00:34:50.360because there are laws specifically regulating what parties need to do
00:34:56.980and what they, for instance, must not do.
00:35:00.060And having a party assembly is actually something which is mandated
00:35:05.640by the German law, which is regulating political parties.
00:35:11.040So what the AFD is doing here is actually fulfilling its legal obligation
00:36:47.040And it is expected that you will have, not only in my words, not even in the words of conservative commentators, but, you know, in the words of people which are in the center, like Politico, civil war-like developments on Saturday and on Sunday.
00:37:08.740and there are so many things which, you know, need to be discussed
00:37:15.020because they are very interesting in particular for your audience in the U.S.
00:38:20.580That is the situation which we have here in Germany
00:38:23.560when the AfD just wants to gather freely and have a democratic event.
00:38:29.040And we'll talk about, you mentioned COVID, we're going to talk about that because you mentioned that in your article.
00:38:37.380Just, we'll do that in a couple of minutes.
00:38:40.260I just want to drill down on this point.
00:38:42.380What did these Antifa activists, paratroopers, stormtroopers, the Antifa stormtroopers, right?
00:38:50.800What do they hope to achieve by this display of violence and intimidation?
00:38:58.820When, as you say, the AFD is what, up 28% at the moment.
00:39:03.100Friedrich Merz, the chancellor, is down on 22%.
00:39:05.940So the AFD are by far and away the most popular political force at the moment.
00:39:11.220What do the Antifa think they are going to achieve?
00:39:14.120Correct me if I'm wrong, but they're planning up to 30 or so.
00:39:18.620The state authorities in Thuringia are expecting at least 30 or so roadblocks organized by the Antifa.
00:39:28.760They're planning on shutting the city down, right?
00:39:31.300This is going to be absolutely incredible.
00:39:34.580What do they hope to achieve by doing this?
00:39:36.480Yes, I can just say that I know that, you know, in political commentary, if you comment on politics nowadays, you can maybe be too dramatic.
00:39:50.220I can only say that you cannot overestimate what is going on tomorrow and on Sunday in Erfurt, because if you would have only 20 blockade attempts, this would be even, you know, probably the best case scenario.
00:40:04.100It will be much worse. And I really hope nobody, I really hope nobody will suffer. You know, I hope that no AFD person who probably will be attacked and there will be, unfortunately, attacks on AFD politicians by left wing operatives.
00:40:22.200I hope that from a medical point of view, there will be no harm done.
00:40:28.120You know, you asked me what they hope for.
00:40:34.200The Antifa operatives in Germany think that we are right now in the late 30s
00:40:39.720or in the beginning 30s of the Weimar Republic
00:40:42.780and the AfD is the Nazi Party essentially
00:40:46.500And Björn Höcke and Alice Weidel are, you know, kind of Adolf Hitler and they want to take over Germany.
00:40:54.320And one year after the AfD is elected into power, we will have Holocaust like, you know, developments here.
00:41:01.480This is, in fact, the result of many failures in German society, a failure of the education system in Germany, a failure on how political discourse was conducted in the last 20 years, where everybody and everything which is conservative or right from the center is automatically equated to being fascist.
00:41:26.760So let me just say this last sentence, because the Antifa operatives are, in my opinion, the victims of a totally failed education system, a totally failed society, which is not able to have a free and open discourse.
00:41:45.360erin you mentioned just now you go through the list of of failures but it's also a failure
00:41:52.260of those who have the constitutional authority to protect the values that the constitution wants to
00:41:59.180protect to protect those values right there's also that failure as well the constitution allows
00:42:04.460certain bodies no entrusts certain bodies to enforce its own values and those bodies are
00:42:11.500undermining the values of the constitution in the name of defending them is it it's it's paradoxical
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00:44:02.320so aryan last year i think it was the hungarian conservative you wrote about exactly uh the
00:44:09.660consequences of the political intimidation pushed by Antifa at the previous conference and you made
00:44:18.440the argument that these protests had a very structural role in justifying the firewall and
00:44:29.660applying political pressure to people who thought that the time was right to bring in the AFD from
00:44:38.660the cold and to work with them so it had that dual purpose and that's a sort of interesting
00:44:45.040argument which i hadn't seen before you also went through with your usual analytic narrative
00:44:53.180and explained how the state were was using third party activists in order to arrive at blatantly
00:45:04.560anti-constitutional ends from a hands-off distance in fact you you even coined um
00:45:11.780coined the word for that which which i which i will just um which i will just bring up now
00:45:17.380um and then i'll ask you to explain again uh what you think is going to happen this time
00:45:25.160around the expression was indirect perpetration that's the that's the the concept here indirect
00:45:32.460perpetration, where the state, in a hands-off way, gives the ability, the means, via taxpayer-funded
00:45:41.060private organizations to pursue a political agenda. Tell me more how that all ties together.
00:45:53.140You know, regularly, even by CDU politicians, the phrase is shared that Germany right now
00:46:02.280is in the midst of its most difficult financial and economic crisis
00:46:09.540since the end of the Second World War.
00:46:12.580And how is it possible that under such rough and difficult circumstances
00:46:18.300where the biggest German automaker VW just announced
00:46:24.340that probably more than 100,000 jobs are being laid off,
00:46:28.400How is it possible that under these circumstances where the cost of living is rising, people can just afford to travel from all over Germany to one town in their time and just blockade and attack people who exercise a constitutional right?
00:46:48.820It is possible because, for instance, the trade service union, Verdi, which is receiving taxpayer money, is financing the bus transfer from more than 30 cities in Germany of activists to the city where the AFD is holding the party assembly.
00:47:12.020So now just for a moment, digest this. The German taxpayer is subsidizing a union which has not only the expectation, but the actually legally mandate to represent all workers from all political background.
00:47:32.080However, this union is using its taxpayer money to finance buses to the AFD party assembly.
00:47:47.820And this is an indirect subsidization by the state.
00:47:53.460the same state which actually has the legal obligation