00:00:29.000I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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00:00:44.740War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:48.040ben harnwell at the helm on steve bannon's ballroom good evening okay so let me bring
00:01:03.100on straight away jenny holland and frank walker our regular contributors good evening guys um
00:01:11.540What we're hitting tonight is something that I think Frank and I, we've been saying repeatedly on this, is the most important event in traditional Catholicism in 38 years, 40 years, which is the Episcopal consecrations of the Precie Society of Pius X, Pope St. Pius X.
00:01:39.080and as we covered last week with footage the the consecrations took place last Wednesday
00:01:47.300for shiny new bishops and Frank I remember asking you I don't think there's been any news yet from
00:01:58.180the Vatican on on the response to this and you said no no no there hasn't been well one day later
00:02:04.200the news came in, which was on the 2nd of July, the so-called excommunications.
00:02:14.220It's all a bit of a mess, really, Frank Walker, and I don't quite understand it
00:02:18.180because you had this decree coming out from the Vatican
00:02:21.260and then you had an explanatory note coming out.
00:02:24.360I think the decree relates to, effectively, the bishops
00:02:29.980that have been, inverted commas, excommunicated
00:02:33.080and the explanatory note, as incoherent and contradictory as it is, applies to the laity.
00:08:15.940And another thing is they say that they're guilty of schism.
00:08:20.040These priests and bishops are guilty of schism, but they recognize Leo as pope.
00:08:24.960You know, other traditionalists don't recognize Leo as pope,
00:08:27.580but they recognize him and they treat him respectfully,
00:08:30.500and they say oh holy father we you know we we're asking you could you please you know do these
00:08:36.040things with us so they actually if they're not if they were schismatic they would be not sharing
00:08:41.640the faith and they do they're accused of it but they they do share the catholic faith and they
00:08:46.560wouldn't think leo was the pope or had a right to be pope or the pope mattered like for like the
00:08:51.540like for example the orthodox they're not like that so you you have to i suppose you have to
00:08:59.500decide for yourself. Now, the people at SSPX, the young people who've seen him with John Henry
00:09:03.600Weston had a great piece from Switzerland at the event, and they're very positive. They say,
00:09:09.560nobody can take away my right to be a Catholic. And that's the way they look at it. When you read
00:09:15.600the press, they're trying to scare people. They're saying, Leo has finally gotten firm
00:09:20.380and brought the hammer down, and people are going to have to decide at the SSPX. I can't personally
00:09:26.800imagine anyone at the sspx given the history that they have deciding that they would go to these0.97
00:09:33.560masses that are gay pride masses that are polka masses that are where they where they have this0.73
00:09:39.700whole different religion because of this uh because leo has laid down the law like at reuters and at0.87
00:09:46.800the washington post and all these leftists you know people that write for the national catholic
00:09:51.400reporter are praising leo's firmness here and and they're all of them to a t are worried about the
00:09:57.620politics of it because there are many right-wing politicians in europe and they don't mention so
00:10:03.000much in the united states but the sspx was very integral in getting us out of the lockdowns
00:10:07.660legally and and they were the ones that were confronted by the fbi and then the republicans
00:10:12.780in congress defended them so politically you know you're talking about maybe a hundred two
00:10:17.500hundred thousand people but they're you know you have uh you have uh the right wing in italy the
00:10:23.060right wing in france members of them are sspx some of them were there at the event this is what
00:10:28.860terrifies the mainline press the politics of it and uh they're trying to say leo is tough and
00:10:34.260drinking his I think it's kind of politically tone-deaf seeing a lot of people with his
00:10:46.120positions they hate the SSPX and why they're um they're so adamant on on saying this is like the
00:10:54.540greatest schism in history and everybody must now decide which way I think the SSPX have decided
00:10:59.840And in the months and the years coming forward with these new bishops, we'll see if there's growth, not just with them, but with the whole traditional movement, the ones that Leo still permits to live without attacking, and the people that are traditionalists that are not part of the SSPX.
00:11:15.360I would think that these people that we've been talking about, these young people, these Gen Azirs, are going to eventually bump into the experts, just maybe give it a try.
00:11:24.320And that's when they're going to find, a lot of them, what they really have been looking for all along.0.99
00:11:28.840you know the the masses that the novice sort of messes are just getting crazier and crazier and
00:11:33.780people are dropping like flies in terms of the numbers i want to bring jenny in in a moment
00:11:39.140um just after i give a shout out to our sponsors for the show on this point to do with the um the0.96
00:11:46.860numbers here because i've seen some novice order cheerleaders with the pom-poms and you know
00:11:52.960actually there aren't that many people laity going to the um to the sspx masses um
00:12:01.840what i'd like from these people are to run the actual numbers properly and apply the same degree
00:12:07.520of scrutiny to find out how many people are actually going to the novice auto masses on sunday
00:12:12.800please that is something i would like to know because the mainstream media always plays up its
00:12:17.600articles you know if you if you're a journalist you're going to write about something you have
00:12:20.240to show it has dramatic impact. So they say the Catholic Church has like 1.2
00:12:24.020billion adherents around the world. The Catholic Church does not, take it from me
00:12:31.520folks, our audience is a very large conservative evangelical sector of this
00:12:39.560audience, take it from me there are not 1.2 billion Catholics in the world. There
00:12:44.660might have been one point, there might be 1.2 billion people who are baptized as
00:12:49.160babies but that doesn't translate into going to mass every Sunday it doesn't
00:12:54.920translate to going to confession it doesn't translate to obeying and
00:13:00.740fulfilling in your own personal lives everything on the church has taught for
00:13:06.980the last 2,000 years as being true that number is a tiny tiny fraction and so
00:13:12.860when you have the mainstream because the Catholic Church the institutional
00:13:17.300Catholic Church and its Novus Ordo adherents. That has been in free fall
00:13:23.300since the Second Vatican Council. It would have perhaps been 1.2 billion mass
00:13:29.680goers every Sunday had it not been for the council, but the modernists have
00:13:35.420wrecked the Catholic Church's credibility, not even talking about
00:13:40.640the clerical sex abuse scandals as well. But they've been driving the church
00:13:45.740into the ground. So, you know, if you're going to have cheerleaders in the press saying,
00:13:49.640oh, the SSPX is actually quite small, you know, it might, the 600,000 figure or the
00:13:54.7001 million figure that those might be sort of slightly inflated, probably only 100,000.
00:13:59.600Let's have the same scrutiny of the Novus Ordo and compare like with like with the same degree
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00:18:03.760be the first to act okay um jenny holland you picked up an interesting insight let me bring
00:18:11.040you in now about that because you've been following this uh and i value what you think
00:18:15.600because whilst you you have repeatedly on this shown shown a great deal of grace and goodwill
00:18:22.100to the traditionalist catholic movement of which i don't think you would formally identify yourself
00:18:27.060as belonging um you have some insights to say from your perspective as a as um as someone who
00:18:36.600wouldn't consider themselves an expert on the canon law minutiae on this and uh give the
00:18:41.480microphone over to you now to to share uh this perspective certainly not i'm certainly not an
00:18:48.320expert uh on canon law um well i thought it was very interesting that the spectator magazine the
00:18:54.280UK-based spectator, which is sort of like a establishment Tory publication, came out very
00:19:03.320much in defense of the society, the SSPX. They published an opinion piece by a Canadian journalist
00:19:12.940calling Pope Leo's actions unconscionable. And it was very helpful for me to read it because
00:19:20.320um whilst you as you said i'm not a member of the catholic church i'm not catechized i've come
00:19:27.280from catholic family um but not a um not an official member um i'm more of a a a watcher
00:19:37.580um but my sympathies are with sspx for a very simple reason and that is because well first of
00:19:46.060I don't like double standards. But most more importantly, I feel that the true value of the
00:19:53.080church from a person from the point of view of someone who's very secular and has lived in a
00:19:58.240very secular world my whole life is precisely in the older traditions. That is where does talk like
00:20:08.100a Hollywood producer. That's where the magic happens. That is what people who are turning
00:20:12.720to the church i believe in my opinion are looking for they are not looking for the what you call the
00:20:18.480modernist church they're not looking for the um acoustic guitars on sunday and the um pride events
00:20:26.520we have enough of that secular society is full of that the protestant churches are full of that
00:20:31.960there's plenty of options for people who want that sort of watered down um christianity that
00:20:37.860makes accommodations to the worst of sort of secular life. So my sympathies are with SSPX,
00:20:47.600just strictly from an outsider's perspective. So it was very interesting to see the spectator,
00:20:54.360especially after I noticed on Twitter, a couple of right-wing Catholic accounts that I follow
00:21:00.840came out in support of Pope Leo. So I've been watching this from afar, very interested.
00:21:06.140And I just think that if you are going to accommodate the LGBTQ worldview and lifestyle and sort of apparatus, if you are going to accommodate the neoliberal globalist economic program, which we're going to be talking about more later,
00:21:29.260in terms of migrants and open and supporting open borders and chastising Trump for returning0.90
00:21:36.080illegal, as War Room calls them, invaders, then, and you're not, and you are going to punish in0.97
00:21:42.620the harshest possible way that a Catholic can be punished, the very people who are trying to keep0.99
00:21:48.980the flame, the tradition alive, which is, happens to be the very thing that new Catholics are
00:21:55.600looking for then this is a very dire situation uh it seems respectfully as an outsider that the
00:22:03.480church finds itself in it certainly makes no sense jenny um i've made a note of that people
00:22:10.380are not looking for acoustic guitars and pride flags on sunday the world is full of that very
00:22:15.440very astute point by the way winston churchill came up um said described of himself and his
00:22:21.760relationship to the church of england he said i'm not a pillar of the church i'm a flying buttress
00:22:28.200supporting the church on the outside i think i wouldn't say that's a total overlap from your
00:22:33.800positions i don't truly think you are an outsider as much as you like um to suggest for that thrill
00:22:40.760of controversy on air that you are um folks will remember that you came onto this show a year ago
00:22:46.400saying i'm an atheist but i'm praying the rosary every day and they've been following your spiritual
00:22:51.740journey along that with great interest, praying you along and willing you along. Folks, stay with
00:22:57.180us because after the break we're going to come back. Jenny's flagged up this horror story of a0.99
00:23:02.960priest that Pope Francis of unhappy memory shook hands with an invader who later not only killed
00:23:14.460a Catholic priest, but burnt down a cathedral church
00:23:18.340in France. And the horror story is that on
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00:39:06.580man after man after man after man after man after man.
00:39:10.500And then at the end, a couple of ladies
00:39:12.180and then one singular child um really on the 4th of july okay on the 4th of july on the 250th
00:39:20.420birthday of the united states of america and he is the first american pope and this is what he is
00:39:26.260uh taking to instagram taking to the gram to show the world really reminded me and i'm going to be
00:39:33.740very very sort of sassy here so brace yourselves everyone it really reminded me of like the scorned0.99
00:39:40.100girlfriend who is like look at me i'm living my best life i don't need you i don't need your damn0.96
00:39:45.660250th birthday party i don't care i have new friends that is the vibe that these these posts0.98
00:39:52.500are giving um and the in a more serious way all of these men man after man after man after man
00:40:00.140as someone who lives in the uk who has just been watching um crime after crime happen by
00:40:06.880allegedly carried out by men coming in into the country in similar ways to these gentlemen here.
00:40:17.880It's an incredibly bad look. I mean, talk about not being able to read the room, unless, of course,
00:40:23.700the room in question is the globalist room and not at all the sort of the salt of the earth
00:40:29.140catholic um community the actual parishioners the actual laity of the church um the people who
00:40:37.380make the church what it is he is pandering to the to everyone else he's pandering to the globalists0.90
00:40:44.140and the elites and he looks very silly he looks very uh like i am better i i don't care about0.84
00:40:51.300trump i don't care about trump i'm fine i'm fine um on the birthday of his own nation and he finds0.85
00:40:57.240himself in Lampedusa now wait a moment this is also a very bad look and very bad optics
00:41:04.960because of what you said back in 2020 a Rwandan man lit the cathedral of Nantes which is very
00:41:13.100beautiful I've been there on fire he was put into prison briefly he was released the following year
00:41:19.280and he was taken in sort of like a care in the community situation by the priest from the
00:41:25.620cathedral in Nantes and this Rwandan man had several years prior shook hands with Pope Leo
00:41:31.220at an event in Rome for the Fratelli year of something or other where it was an event specifically
00:41:37.480for the socially excluded he goes on to burn the church in Nantes when he gets out of prison for
00:41:43.640that he goes to the generosity of the priest and is housed by the generous priest of the same
00:41:49.420church that he burned and he murdered the priest and he is now serving 30 years in jail
00:41:55.480There is a reason that man was socially excluded, I would like to point out, to the Vatican. I'm sure there was a couple of wretches at that event for the socially excluded that were really hard done by, and everyone deserves mercy in God's eyes up to a point.
00:42:11.520but what about other people what about the victims of these people's crimes the crimes
00:42:17.420just keep happening the liberals become more and more suicidal with in terms of empathy or i would
00:42:24.100actually call it and this is this is really going to send me straight to hell this is the pope
00:42:29.320exhibiting moral vanity and it's appalling um and it's um it's hard to watch it's actually hard to
00:42:39.240watch okay all right and firstly denver could would you mind just you've got the um the article
00:42:44.860say that uh that jenny was referring to about the the burning of the church in nantes and um
00:42:51.500the murder of the priest the i think he was stabbed the brutal stabbing of of the priest you
00:42:56.880know it's a tragedy but at the end of the day you can only weep so many tears for people's0.99
00:43:02.560naive stupidity uh thanks very much that's it that's the horrific thing that that that church0.97
00:43:08.280I think is four times older than the United States, burnt down by an invader who went on to murder the priest who was the priest of that church, who gave him a roof over his head and he went on.0.98
00:43:22.760And this guy, I think you've got the photo of it, this guy, the guy who did this, the photos there of him shaking hands with Bergoglio, with Pope Francis when he was welcomed into the country.0.62
00:43:38.280Alright, that is a metaphor for the suicidal nature of the pro-invasion policy of the Vatican.
00:43:51.120Jenny, I have to again tip my hat to you.
00:43:54.160You have nailed it a thousand percent in your description of what Leo was doing on July 4th this year.
00:44:03.860It was exactly that. It was the scorned girlfriend posting under the assumption that her ex was going to be seeing and watching.
00:44:16.380And she's saying, look at me live my best life without you.
00:44:19.900That's what he was doing at Lampedusa when everybody of importance, every American of importance was in America celebrating the 250th birth of their anniversary.
00:44:32.320he did send some platitudinous um statement i thought which completely missed the point of
00:44:37.740america but it was it was it wasn't even platitudinous it was actually kind of borderline
00:44:42.240insulting it was it was contemptuous i mean it's really shocking that the first american
00:44:47.700pope did not return to america for such for such a momentous birthday i mean that is really
00:44:54.960that's that is such a uh slap in the face and such a misread when the American Catholic I mean you
00:45:05.780guys tell me my impression was the American Catholic uh community community the late the
00:45:11.500American lady is extremely um sort of influential and and and beloved um and I my understanding was
00:45:21.080that they were quite influential in even getting him into that position of pope maybe i'm wrong
00:45:25.900about that please correct me um but the you so on that day you don't even go to the american embassy
00:45:32.800in rome you go to lampedusa frank walker jenny's sticking her finger right in the raw wound of trad
00:45:42.940ink here because trad ink she's absolutely right trad ink had a had a role to play um in in the
00:45:50.840college of cardinals in the election of um the francis look um we've we've got five minutes left
00:45:59.240quick shout out and then we've got to come back uh to jenny's second story quick shout out once
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