Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 1047： WarRoom discusses Europe’s centre-right implosion with centre-right’s former parliamentary leader

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00:00:48.000 good evening ben harnell here at the helm on steve bannon's war room well i've got a very special

00:01:01.660 guest to joining us this evening someone i've been trying to get on the show for a very very

00:01:06.860 long time an old friend of mine someone i've known for around 20 years one of the youngest

00:01:12.260 in the past members of parliament in the italian uh parliament where he was the the leader of the

00:01:19.520 christian democrat group uh then he was the leader the majority leader in the council of europe

00:01:28.600 parliamentary assembly leader of the center-right the christian democrats the the european people's

00:01:34.520 party that long-standing viewers of the show will have heard me talk about luca voluntad luca

00:01:41.540 thank you very much for for joining this evening we have some great developments going on across

00:01:47.720 continental europe that i want to pick your brains about um i know that you are an expert on some of

00:01:54.660 these things i'll just say to our to our audience you were um in the years that i've known you when

00:02:00.920 you were in first in the italian parliament and then the leading the largest group in fact in the

00:02:07.040 European, the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly, you were really one of the global

00:02:14.340 leaders of the pro-life and pro-traditional family movement. You achieved a lot of good

00:02:23.000 in those roles and attracted a lot of enemies as well. And of course, attracting enemies is a sign

00:02:28.780 of uh of success i think let's go on um and discuss the first article you've written in

00:02:37.580 fact an article on this yourself for the for the for the new um the new daily compass la nuova

00:02:43.400 bustola quotidiana um as it's known in italian but it is a website that publishes both in italian

00:02:50.140 and uh and in english and you were you've um homed in on this development that 180 left-wing

00:03:01.580 members of the european parliament have gotten together uh and are forcing a resolution they've

00:03:10.440 written to the european commission they've written to the council of europe and they are presenting

00:03:15.240 a commission that will um presenting a resolution that if successful will result in the suppression

00:03:22.820 of the european of sovereign nations group and by effect as well probably that their real goal here

00:03:34.220 which is the um the european patriots which is victor orban's group um and they're doing this

00:03:41.360 in a very strategic way.

00:03:44.820 They're trying to attack the funding

00:03:46.340 of these parliamentary groups.

00:03:48.540 I'll just say 10 seconds in

00:03:50.480 and then I'll hand over the microphone to you.

00:03:52.220 But the way the European Parliament works

00:03:54.360 and there's huge funding,

00:03:56.580 tax pays money obviously available

00:03:58.340 to the large political groups.

00:04:00.380 But on the one hand,

00:04:01.300 you have the entity,

00:04:02.560 which is the group in parliament.

00:04:04.600 And then you have an identical party,

00:04:07.100 which is legally separate from the group,

00:04:09.260 but it's the party that receives the funding.

00:04:12.540 It's the party that's able to do the financing of events

00:04:16.220 back in the home countries and what have you,

00:04:19.240 that organises the publicity.

00:04:21.200 And what the left is trying to do is trying to go in

00:04:23.780 and decapitate the funding for these patriotic members

00:04:29.700 of the European Parliament.

00:04:30.680 Luca, the floor is yours. Tell us what's going on.

00:04:33.780 Start off and tell me, do you think that the left

00:04:36.720 will have a realistic chance of success

00:04:41.860 with what it's doing with this resolution here?

00:04:46.760 Unfortunately, the resolution was approved just two days ago.

00:04:52.280 On 7th of July, the same majority of the so-called Ursula coalition,

00:04:59.860 inspired by Ursula von der Leyen, 0.61

00:05:02.700 a popular party, socialist party, left, and Greens, so-called Greens, these sort of menons

00:05:10.480 or cocomerons, and liberals, they vote all together to approve this resolution that,

00:05:19.940 as you explained very well, that could open an investigation, an institutional investigation,

00:05:28.700 One very crucial question, ASN, Sovereignist and Nationalistic Party and Foundation, is

00:05:43.480 violating the European values, according to Article 2 of the European Treaty.

00:05:52.980 this authority will confirm that this political party and all the parties inside the political

00:06:02.820 group could violate this Article 2, the financial support will be broken, eliminated.

00:06:12.500 But we have different questions. The first question is why the European Union is moving

00:06:18.420 strongly against this patriotic nationalist and sovereignist and then probably patriotic

00:06:26.360 parties. And the second question is how we can interpret how the Article 2 of the European

00:06:36.800 Treaty is interpreted in favor of this liberal socialist ideology.

00:06:43.200 All right. You said, let me break down what you said then. You used an Italian expression.

00:06:50.740 You said that these, referring to the greens, you said that they were cocomer, which is

00:06:56.540 a watermelon, right? And the sense of that is red on the inside, green on the outside.

00:07:02.980 So these people are presenting themselves as, no, no, no. These are people who are presenting

00:07:10.360 themselves as fundamentally environmentalists but that is simply a veneer really it's green

00:07:17.520 on the outside red on the inside these people are are communists now when i worked some 20 or so

00:07:23.300 years ago in the european those guys in the european parliament who were um leading the uh

00:07:34.920 the the green movement were literally career former former communists just 20 years later

00:07:42.760 so the berlin wall fell you had all of these sort of hard left communist politicians they didn't

00:07:50.060 retire from public life they didn't say we're so sorry we were wrong about the soviet union they

00:07:55.980 just changed the branding and carried on their their political careers now i saw this 20 years

00:08:01.340 ago so it's green on the outside red on the inside and that's important to understand how

00:08:05.700 european politics works the first point lucan the second point is that you said that this was

00:08:10.760 the the factions who are pushing this are the ursula von der leyen coalition now we all know

00:08:17.120 ursula von der leyen the president of the european commission big proponent in the european union

00:08:23.000 of forcing the war, of bringing the Open Union behind the war in Ukraine.

00:08:30.620 This is interesting because Ursula von der Leyen is a career Christian Democrat.

00:08:36.000 Luca, this is your traditional political faction.

00:08:39.480 She was a career Christian Democrat, defense minister under Angela Merkel.

00:08:46.640 So she came into power.

00:08:48.960 This is her second mandate, I think unprecedented, to have a second mandate for the president of the commission, but pushed by the European People's Party.

00:08:57.980 Again, that's your political faction in Brussels.

00:09:02.500 So you have this interesting phenomenon.

00:09:04.560 You have this coalition between the Greens, which are basically former communists, and the Christian Democrats that are supposedly on paper sent to rights, but not particularly.

00:09:18.960 are ganging together with, let me come on to this.

00:09:26.260 You've got these two parties ganging together against the Patriots, right?

00:09:31.880 Now, the segment here that I do want to ask you about,

00:09:36.480 the group that's missing in all of this is the Conservatives and Reformists group,

00:09:41.100 the ECR group, which is Georgia Maloney's group.

00:09:45.680 They don't seem to be involved in this,

00:09:47.660 But the other patriots do. And I'd like to draw the dots here, because what unites the European patriots, which is Viktor Orban's faction in the European Parliament, which is, I think, the third largest group, and Europe's sovereign nations, which are probably to the right, I think it's fair to say, of the Orban faction, is that they are both extremely NATO sceptic.

00:10:13.660 and that's the difference between the other big nationalist faction which is the ecr group the

00:10:20.580 european conservatives and reformists which is maloney's faction she was the president of that

00:10:25.760 group um up until recently because that is not nato centric so i wonder here luke and i'd like

00:10:32.520 i let me get your take on this before we move on to the next story do you think that that is

00:10:37.000 a dynamic of what's going on here because increasingly the nationalist movements in

00:10:43.700 europe are trying to to to to to view nato with a certain degree of skepticism because what they

00:10:52.580 want to do is um withdraw from unnecessary military adventures and have their countries

00:11:00.860 promote effectively a policy of neutrality where necessary if no national interests are being

00:11:08.920 invoked here then like italy for example um to promote a policy of neutrality you know and we

00:11:16.120 can we can cite obviously the ever cited presence of russia here let's let me ask you that before

00:11:22.660 we move on do you think that that is um an establishment maneuver here the hard left

00:11:29.460 The centre-right, presumably Maloney's faction, is going to be neutral in this,

00:11:34.520 but specifically targeting the funding of the NATO sceptic political movements in Europe.

00:11:41.440 And what does that mean?

00:11:43.900 Yes, for sure. It's one possible evolution.

00:11:47.340 If you understand that, an example, the new prime minister of Slovenia,

00:11:54.960 Slovakia, Slovenia, sorry, and is a Christian Democrat and the Liberal Prime Minister, leader

00:12:06.480 of Anno Babis, and the Socialist Prime Minister of Slovakia.

00:12:12.060 There are three, four, generally, they were in three European different parties, but all

00:12:20.200 these free center europeans leaders are very skeptical about the enlargement of the european

00:12:28.680 union and nato toward ukrainia i think that the position that emerged during the discussion in

00:12:38.040 the recent nato debate especially improved by the president trump proposal and also

00:12:48.040 angry proposal is very right because it's interest of you european union having a more equilibrate

00:12:57.400 more balanced position very strong uh binded with the united states but very and more and more

00:13:09.320 neutral, considering the geographical and geopolitical position of Europe in respect

00:13:17.160 of Russia on one side and Turkey on the other side.

00:13:23.320 Especially for us, for Italy, it could be very interesting to develop the national army

00:13:30.560 and also the European Army, not against the United States proposal, but to have more protagonists

00:13:41.560 in the NATO.

00:13:43.560 Also, because considering the situation, President Trump has a lot of reason to say what was

00:13:50.560 affirmed in the last meeting, and the interest of the United States now is more focused on

00:13:58.560 as nation, but also South America and Central America

00:14:05.040 as natural geographical region where USA should determine

00:14:18.700 also the future of many, many countries.

00:14:22.920 All right, Luca, we're going to move on to the next story in our list.

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00:17:07.440 Luca Volontae. Luca, let me ask you, before I talk about this next development to do with Hungary,

00:17:17.240 let me ask you, as I mentioned in your introduction, your political background.

00:17:23.520 Now, you were first a member of parliament in Italy. I know you don't look nearly old enough,

00:17:28.160 but you were a member of parliament 30 years ago, first elected in 1996 in the Italian parliament.

00:17:35.660 And I mentioned that I think you were the leader of the Christian Democrats, which was then a political force, a historic post-war political force in Italy.

00:17:47.980 um why um and you were the leader on the basis of what you did in the italian parliament you

00:17:55.560 were then elected by the other christian democrat parties um in strasbourg to lead the group in the

00:18:05.700 council of europe parliamentary assembly so your background is firmly christian democrat

00:18:10.500 and european people's party both the story that we were talking about before however and the story

00:18:17.480 we're going to talk about now these are really stories that indicate um your support for the

00:18:26.160 political movements led for example by Viktor Orban um up until recently in Hungary his Fidesz

00:18:35.140 uh party um and you have some support for General Roberto Vanacci um here in Italy uh who's leading

00:18:46.420 the new faction to the right of Giorgia Maloney's Brothers of Italy.

00:18:53.600 Just tell me something about your political journey,

00:18:55.580 because we saw one another, we were still very much motivated

00:19:00.860 by the same principles that brought you into public life 30 years ago

00:19:06.440 as a disciple of Rocco Butiglione, who was also a mentor to me as well.

00:19:13.940 you're still very very much inspired by bringing these the catholic values of pro-life and pro-family

00:19:20.180 in the public square but why are you now sort of talking positively about for example general

00:19:28.300 vernacci or victor orban or the the european um uh the the european patriots in the in the

00:19:37.000 or the european sovereign nations in the european parliament that they're not political movements

00:19:41.780 that are traditionally your political family, their rivals.

00:19:46.480 What's going on there?

00:19:48.520 That's very clear.

00:19:49.740 In the last 20 years, the APP party lost their values,

00:19:55.400 especially the Christian values and the coherence with the Christian values.

00:19:59.500 They are still in the APP value manifest

00:20:05.120 because I contributed 20 years ago to amend the previous paper,

00:20:14.720 but they are not leaving the same values.

00:20:17.720 And so who could represent these values at European level?

00:20:22.920 Surely Patriot parties, they are very clear,

00:20:26.140 they pay their price to be coherent.

00:20:30.280 and surely some people in the ASN party that could represent values

00:20:39.240 that were teached to us by John Paul II, Benedict XVI and many others.

00:20:49.380 Let me just make sure I've got what you're saying right here.

00:20:54.800 So you're suggesting that the Catholic pro-life, pro-traditional family values that motivated you in politics that you were fighting for as a Christian Democrat,

00:21:06.780 you now see that the best possibility of fighting for those values would, say, perhaps be in the nationalist movements in Italy led by General Vernacci.

00:21:18.400 is that what you're saying

00:21:21.060 you see someone like

00:21:23.100 Vanacci as the natural heir

00:21:25.040 of those values

00:21:27.500 Vanacci

00:21:28.980 has this chance to represent these

00:21:31.080 values in Italy

00:21:32.560 to show that

00:21:34.440 people around him are

00:21:36.820 coherent with these values, for sure

00:21:38.820 after the

00:21:40.760 ABP party decided

00:21:42.500 to vote

00:21:44.740 in favour of the right

00:21:46.980 of abortion, an example. Two years ago, the European Parliament joined with Socialists

00:21:51.900 and Liberals, and Left and Greens, and many other resolutions very woke, very in favor 0.96

00:22:01.220 of LGBT values against the right of family, an example, the right of education, the right 0.56

00:22:07.740 of freedom of religion, and then these decisions were very clear.

00:22:16.680 I'm still in the same position, but now my position and the position, traditional position

00:22:22.060 of Christian Democrats, are better represented by, surely, ASN in European Parliament and

00:22:29.740 Patriots in particular.

00:22:32.300 I think that Banachi has a good chance, but should show that he merits this good chance,

00:22:38.380 not only affirming these values, but also having people that could coherently represent

00:22:44.880 these values in the next political campaign.

00:22:48.600 So you just said that you haven't actually changed your political values or your political

00:22:57.340 philosophies, right?

00:22:58.620 That's exactly as it was.

00:23:00.760 you've seen is that the that the outer political spectrum has moved it's the other parties have

00:23:05.820 moved perhaps your own party historic party um has moved um but you're still fighting for those

00:23:12.460 the same values that you were fighting for 30 years ago and it's not an endorsement you're not

00:23:18.200 yet giving an endorsement to general vanacci you're saying that he has a chance a very good chance

00:23:24.520 to to to pick up um the mantle and fight for those values but you're waiting to see whether

00:23:30.420 he actually does so yeah yeah i think that he could have a the best chance to represent these

00:23:37.920 values in the next political parliament in the next parliament but as i just told a few minutes

00:23:45.860 ago he should not only affirming these values but also a presenting person that could be very

00:23:52.400 credible to represent these values in the parliament okay so he needs he needs to be um

00:24:03.600 presenting candidates of of of credibility and coherence in order to um and let me ask you would

00:24:11.200 you um if the call came in would you be um would you be willing to serve and help take forward his

00:24:19.680 new national future political movement, if the call came in?

00:24:26.280 I'm here.

00:24:27.040 I'm here to serve my country.

00:24:29.140 And anyone call me for having suggestions or opinions, I'm here to help whoever wants

00:24:39.800 to improve these values and represent these values in the political life.

00:24:46.600 I just want to say, right?

00:24:49.680 The war room audience, our largely American audience, we have an international audience, but it's largely the lion's share of our audience is in America.

00:25:02.660 I have mentioned General Vanacci a bit on air. Steve has mentioned him.

00:25:08.500 That will probably, however, be a new name for our American audience that they won't necessarily be familiar with.

00:25:15.520 They will have heard of Matteo Salvini. They will have heard of Giorgia Maloney.

00:25:21.260 Those will probably be the two names that have the highest residence of Italian politicians in America.

00:25:28.460 They won't have heard necessarily of General Venacci.

00:25:33.180 One of the reasons I wanted you to come on today, Luca, was just to say a bit about this,

00:25:37.820 because this is a name that people should be listening out for.

00:25:40.820 Because if Italian politics goes in the way that many people are predicting, that his political movement, as I say, he's to the right of Giorgia Maloney.

00:25:53.380 And the press think that Giorgia Maloney is far right, incorrectly.

00:25:59.180 but the importance of his presence on the italian political scene is up until now georgia maloney

00:26:07.720 who in september will be italy's longest serving post-war prime minister she has never had anybody

00:26:14.740 on her right flank to challenge her and so basically the day after she became prime minister

00:26:20.400 she moved to the center now she has someone who's a former military general a paratrooper

00:26:25.780 commander very credible figure and the italian military's beloved um in italy this could be a

00:26:34.440 name general roberto vannacci could be a name to fundamentally transform a rather complacent

00:26:41.880 italian political structure we'll be back with luca volante in two minutes after this quick short break

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00:31:53.420 in-depth analysis with luca volunteer 30 years ago one of the youngest uh italian politicians

00:32:01.040 elected to parliament was the leader of the christian democrats um and then

00:32:06.760 was the parliamentary majority

00:32:12.320 for the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly.

00:32:18.560 Luca, let's talk now about this Hungarian story.

00:32:23.800 Everyone that was following the European Union manoeuvres

00:32:29.100 over the last couple of years

00:32:30.560 will have noticed how they were politically manipulating

00:32:36.060 the Viktor Orban government by withholding funds.

00:32:42.020 Billions of dollars they were withholding.

00:32:44.540 And these funds basically came from taxes

00:32:47.860 that were being raised at the member state level.

00:32:53.520 Just to zoom out for 30 seconds,

00:32:56.600 the European Union has no,

00:32:59.340 even though it's a sovereign authority

00:33:01.200 for all of its 27 member states and its laws,

00:33:04.720 but it doesn't have any direct tax raising authority that's the point here it relies on

00:33:11.100 its financing through taxes raised at the member states level okay and what they were doing to the

00:33:17.100 hungarian government is that they were withholding that the funds that they were supposed to give back

00:33:21.520 billions of dollars for spending in in in in hungary that's that's basically how it works

00:33:28.620 you don't need to go into it but that's how it works and they were using that as leverage to

00:33:32.800 to bully the government because the government was having a very was resisting was using its veto

00:33:38.180 powers um to block to some extent support to ukraine and to hold the line on the anti-immigration front 0.69

00:33:47.000 that's what they were doing right and one of the arguments that ursula von der leyen was using 0.76

00:33:53.580 in that maneuver well she was saying that the government was was politicizing the judiciary 0.99

00:34:00.340 in Hungary. That was the reason. Now, the day, literally the day, 24 hours after Viktor Orban

00:34:07.720 lost the parliamentary election two months ago, Peter Magyar was then catapulted in

00:34:13.980 from being relatively unknown. The European Union started saying, we'll release these billions of

00:34:21.360 dollars. Now, Luca, you are on top of this story. I want to know what's going on. How is this

00:34:28.960 possible because what Peter Magyar, the new Hungarian prime minister, has said he's going to do

00:34:33.760 is he's going to politicize the judiciary to do two things. One, to remove the president

00:34:41.500 of the Republic, of the Hungarian public, from office. And the second thing, he's going to

00:34:47.280 try to get out the president of the constitutional court of Hungary. That is a very clear and overt

00:34:55.260 politicization of the hungarian judiciary he's also going to try and get trying to reduce the

00:35:01.440 retirement age of judges so he can get a whole load of them off the bench luca you you're watching

00:35:08.700 this i'm watching this ursula von der leyen hasn't done anything she hasn't blocked hungary's funding

00:35:15.680 she hasn't withheld the billions what's going on here how can the european union have any

00:35:21.060 credibility at this point is it not pretty overt that its previous political positions

00:35:28.020 were deliberately trying to undermine the orban government rather than positions of any political

00:35:34.340 principle i'm totally agree with you only to resume the story of european union against

00:35:43.300 The story was, and we started in 2010, when Orban decided to reform completely the Constitution,

00:35:54.960 and the procedure was longer as three years.

00:35:59.800 The Orban government was obliged to discuss with the European Union, with Venice Commission,

00:36:07.700 and Council of Europe.

00:36:09.580 in the end was approved the new, totally new constitution, because the previous one was

00:36:15.080 the socialist constitution. 0.93

00:36:17.080 Polemics and stop.

00:36:19.480 Then the second time, the second half of the battle is what we have seen in the last few

00:36:27.080 months, and as you told us a few minutes ago, the same procedure used by the European Union

00:36:35.340 against the conservative party government in poland was is used against orban we hold

00:36:45.340 90 and more billion of financial support to hungary also post-covid financial support and

00:36:55.980 support this new candidate is a sort i call him a manchurian candidate totally invented totally

00:37:02.300 new totally create ex-novo by the european establishment this new government of peter

00:37:11.180 major has a two-thirds majority and he would like to transform with some amendment the constitution

00:37:21.580 violating especially the rule of rule of law and democratic states that is very clear because

00:37:30.540 is not a reform of constitution, is an amendment that could change the constitution to oblige

00:37:37.660 the President of the Republic and the President of the Constitutional Court to be substituted

00:37:44.380 by some major friends.

00:37:47.740 I'm very shocked that the European Union is quite silent, and totally silent, about this

00:37:54.780 coup d'etat, white coup d'etat we could call, because no army was used until now.

00:38:02.440 And it's totally silent and totally supporting this very explicit regulation of rule of law

00:38:11.880 and simple rule of democracy that were perpetrated by Peter Rond Marchand. 0.64

00:38:19.440 And I'm saying to you that the situation is so dangerous that the complicity of European

00:38:26.920 Union is so clear that just today, 9th of July, Euronews website very close to a European

00:38:38.640 affair in Brussels has quoted that tomorrow, tomorrow morning, the European Union financial

00:38:47.440 minister are deciding to deliver 10 billion of financial support of post-COVID budget to Hungary.

00:38:58.560 Just a few days after, Peter Magar has decided to present this new amendment to violate explicitly

00:39:08.560 and clearly rule of law in his country. That's the clear sign that I'm not against

00:39:15.520 Christian values or APP members. But I'm only observing the situation and also for, as we

00:39:24.740 told just a few minutes ago, the Christian democratic tradition, the respect of rule

00:39:30.560 of law is a basic principle. And now we have the president of European Commission on one

00:39:38.280 side, Ursula von der Leyen, and yesterday was also the president of the ADP party Manfred Weber,

00:39:45.640 that explicitly supports this violation of rule of law and democracy, basic rules in Hungary.

00:39:54.360 I just want to check that I heard you correctly. You called this a coup d'etat, right?

00:39:59.240 Yes.

00:40:00.240 You called it a coup, a coup d'etat.

00:40:03.240 A coup d'etat.

00:40:04.240 A coup d'etat.

00:40:05.240 A coup d'etat.

00:40:06.240 A coup d'etat.

00:40:07.240 A coup d'etat.

00:40:08.240 It's a push to change a government, you know.

00:40:13.240 Goal pour d'estat.

00:40:14.240 Yes.

00:40:15.240 A coup d'etat.

00:40:17.240 I just wanted to check that that's exactly what you called it.

00:40:22.240 I think you're right.

00:40:25.240 And I think it is shocking that the EU has, as of the present moment, chosen not to intervene because it just absolutely illustrates the hypocrisy of the EU's values that it claims to be defending.

00:40:42.900 It's the same values that the 180 left-wing MEPs that we were talking about in the beginning of the show, the violation of those never defined values, but it was the violation of those values that led these 180 left-wing MEPs to produce this resolution to suspend the financing of the patriots in the European Parliament.

00:41:10.540 So we get to see what really is just basically a naked push for power

00:41:16.100 masquerading itself under the pretext of political principle.

00:41:22.420 All right, Lucas, stay with me.

00:41:23.380 We're going to come back to you as we go,

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00:43:32.100 All right, Luca, we've got a chance now to hit one more story.

00:43:36.860 Let's do the one here about Sweden and Denmark,

00:43:43.980 two of the most archetypical Scandinavian countries 0.99

00:43:48.960 that are now open themselves to the re-migration politics 0.99

00:43:56.420 of sending back the invaders, people who shouldn't be here in continental Europe.

00:44:01.380 And Luca, look, you've been in politics quite some time. 0.96

00:44:04.220 I've been an observer in politics for a couple of decades.

00:44:07.800 If you just said to me 20 or 30 years ago that Sweden and Denmark,

00:44:13.520 of all countries, right, would be leading the way on this,

00:44:17.480 I wouldn't have believed you.

00:44:18.520 They are almost the archetype of the liberal, progressive Scandinavian mentality.

00:44:26.340 Not anymore. This is a sign of how fast and how far things are changing.

00:44:33.340 Tell me what's going on over there in our Scandinavian neighbors.

00:44:37.300 And tell me why all we're hearing here in Italy, when there is supposedly a far right government, is silence on this issue.

00:44:46.040 yeah that's exactly what i think when i i have a rating i read in the last few years especially in

00:44:57.800 the last few months the decision taken by the government in sweden where it could be clear

00:45:03.560 now the prime minister is a socialist very strong socially supported by other party in the parliament

00:45:11.320 and in sweden we have a conservative and liberal government supported by the

00:45:19.160 nationalist or sovereign so the government are totally different politically speaking 0.79

00:45:24.280 but they have the same problem invasion by muslims invasion by muslim there i have

00:45:31.320 not any respect about not only christian values or christian rule for these two countries but also

00:45:38.360 liberal groups, and they should be interesting to, for anyone in Europe.

00:45:46.320 So these two different governments are fighting for defending their liberal tradition and

00:45:52.280 their civil society or common good rules in their country.

00:46:00.000 Both are deciding to introduce step-by-step what we call re-immigration laws, some laws 0.70

00:46:11.200 that give the government the power to expel illegal immigrants when they are found guilty

00:46:27.560 or they are not accepted a simple civil law, or in Sweden, this proposal is to expel people

00:46:35.880 they are not good conduct under decision of the administrative powers.

00:46:46.880 And that could be very, very interesting, that Prime Minister, Danish Prime Minister

00:46:52.640 I haven't met Fredrick Spendt since the beginning of the discussion of a new part of immigration

00:47:01.880 on the table of conservatives and patriots to discuss these new decisions.

00:47:11.540 And what is very shocking is that on the other side, another socialist, in this case the

00:47:19.520 socialist Pedro Sanchez colleague in the same party of Fredrickson has legalized more than

00:47:29.120 one million point five thousand illegal immigrants to change the electoral basis and hoping to

00:47:38.020 win the next election.

00:47:39.960 They are the two different ways proposed by European countries.

00:47:48.140 Scandinavian and some patriots, the first one surely, Orban, that has opposed his government

00:47:56.200 in the last ten years for the migration invasion, and on the other side we have the classical

00:48:06.900 liberal socialist macron and sanchez way to give the illegal immigration to change the

00:48:18.020 society in their countries and the values inside their countries what is and finish what is very 0.94

00:48:25.940 stupid in my opinion is this prejudice in italy to discuss about the re-immigration 0.93

00:48:33.460 new norms. The proposal of law, the popular proposal of law has reached more than 132,000 0.99

00:48:46.360 signatures. And now we will see what happens. Some parties in the government also are studying

00:48:55.340 this proposal for proposing by themselves a new amendment we will see we should not

00:49:04.580 we should not follow the socialist and liberal mass media in Italy that describe

00:49:14.720 re-immigration as a barbaric solution it's very rational solution if you if 0.70

00:49:22.100 If an illegal immigrant don't want to integrate himself in a new society, 1.00

00:49:28.520 refusing values, Christian values in this case, or simple democratic rules, 1.00

00:49:33.780 we should ask him, with or without a crime, to come back to his proper country. 0.99

00:49:43.140 Look, we've got about 60 seconds left, but it strikes me,

00:49:47.880 how is it we have a socialist prime minister in Scandinavia

00:49:52.700 moving towards deportation, remigration,

00:49:59.500 but we have a supposedly far-right prime minister in Italy

00:50:02.720 that is hesitant.

00:50:06.180 She boasts about having spent 800 million euros

00:50:11.340 on building these processing centres in Albania,

00:50:14.960 But in five years, only 111 people have been sent to Albania, right?

00:50:20.860 So lots of press releases, lots of performative press releases, little action.

00:50:25.700 Just give me 30 seconds, Luca, will you? 30 seconds.

00:50:30.340 Why is that? I mean, I think she's afraid.

00:50:35.260 I think Georgia Maloney is afraid of going up too far against the institutional Catholic Church,

00:50:43.260 which is a factor here in domestic Italian politics,

00:50:47.620 which in a way that it's not in Scandinavia.

00:50:50.480 Just give me 30 seconds. Is that a reasonable conclusion?

00:50:54.800 That's reasonable, but George Meloni,

00:51:00.100 we should consider that some legal action

00:51:03.920 improved by the centre-right government

00:51:07.680 and also by George Meloni government

00:51:09.880 were totally blocked by this political left judicial power in Italy.

00:51:17.500 That is quite notorious, quite clear on one side.

00:51:22.600 On the other side, any idea to be prudent of this argument 0.90

00:51:27.600 because of Catholic Church in Italy is totally wrong

00:51:32.980 because Catholic Church in Italy is in favor of Socialist Party,

00:51:36.920 in favor of Liberal Party.

00:51:38.740 it's totally against christian democracy luca uh that's the end of the show very very quickly

00:51:44.580 where do people go on x on twitter to keep up with your analysis

00:51:51.700 ah they could come directly to volante luca point bronte luca or

00:51:57.220 they could be inside the that's facebook and we have also twitter that's it that's it luca

00:52:05.620 Luca Volunteer, very, very grateful for you spending some time with us tonight on the war room.

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Bannon's War Room - July 14, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 1047： WarRoom discusses Europe’s centre-right implosion with centre-right’s former parliamentary leader

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