00:01:44.760Look, let's start straight away because there are so many interesting and important themes that you raise in this book.
00:01:50.960Let me start off with a thesis that we mentioned on yesterday's evening show of The War Room with macroeconomist Philip Pilkington.
00:02:05.980And he made the suggestion, I thought, you know what, who better to ask, bounce this one off than Dr. Thayer.
00:02:13.800He made the suggestion that however communist the CCP actually is ideologically at the moment, and he wasn't trying by any stretch to defend the CCP in this comparison, but he said that the West is today, in 2026, far more ideologically Marxist than the CCP,
00:02:42.840which is in fact in the process of sort of assuring China back towards its Confucian roots.
00:02:54.340And if you will, the ideology, the communist ideology of the CCP is simply the vehicle to hold the regime together,
00:03:02.340to have everyone sort of, it's useful for wielding power because, of course, communism goes so against human nature.
00:03:10.880You need a totalitarian type regime to make it work.
00:03:21.100Do you take Philip Pilkington's view on this, that the West now, certainly after the fall of the Berlin War, the end of the Cold War,
00:03:30.780we've sort of lost somewhat what that ideological fight was between the Judeo-Christian capitalist West
00:03:38.920and the godless atheism of the Soviet Union.
00:03:43.400And I know you contrast this point head on when you say that communism hasn't really been defeated.
00:03:52.200But when the Cold War dynamic, let's say when the Soviet form of communism was vanquished, do you think we've lost in the West the discipline of that existential battle and losing the focus of what we're fighting against?
00:04:12.300we have allowed the enemies the fifth column the ideological fifth column in the west
00:04:18.420in academia in the media what have you to be far more successful now on this on the spreading of
00:04:25.340cultural marxism so that pilkington's point is actually essentially true there's a greater
00:04:31.200because i make the point that the only time i've actually met in principle communists the sort of
00:04:37.000people actually do believe das Kapital, our function is in the Vatican.
00:04:44.500So, I mean, that would probably be, that's my empirical experience on this.
00:04:54.420Having spent years in Parliament, British Parliament and European Parliament,
00:04:58.600fighting against people who claim to be in the communist tradition,
00:05:03.060I actually think the real ideological communists today that I have come across personally on face-to-face are in the Vatican, but of course they're deeply entrenched in areas that I have less expertise on, that you will have greater expertise in, academia, for example.
00:05:19.720Do you think Percutin's point, therefore, is true that ideological Marxism is more prevalent in the West than, for example, amongst the apparatchiks of the CCP? Not in any way to diminish the threat that the CCP poses, obviously, and what have you. But I'd like your reaction on that as we start off to discuss your book.
00:05:44.780Good evening, Ben. It's great to join you and, of course, the audience as well this evening.
00:05:51.440Well, Ben, I would say they're both very dangerous. The CCP, of course, to my mind,
00:05:59.300is a Leninist organization, a product of Soviet imperialism, as I argue in the book.
00:06:04.300And under Xi Jinping, the CCP is moving in a very, if you will, neo-Stalinist direction under Xi's rule.
00:06:16.300So I would see the Chinese Communist Party as being very much a Leninist organization,
00:06:24.300organization, striving to maintain control and working through United Front tactics to support
00:06:30.260communism in the United States. Equally, we have in the West, as you well know, and have stressed
00:06:37.200so many times on all of your media on this program, you have, if you will, a neo-Leninist,
00:06:46.560very much a neo-Leninist activity in the European Union or in the UK under the Labour Party,
00:06:53.520or, of course, in the United States, through the inner party, if you will, of the Democratic Party.
00:07:00.100So to my mind, it's very difficult to disaggregate which is worse.
00:07:06.300I see them as being really one fight that we've been waging 100 years' war, of course, against this ideology.
00:07:15.540Sadly, we fought it better in the past than we are today, in no small measure, because the ideas industry has been captured by the Leninists.
00:07:26.560That is, the K-12 education system, the colleges, universities, our museums, even NGOs, think tanks, have been captured, as Orwell identified, if you own the present, if you control the present, you're able to rewrite history.0.56
00:07:42.860That is the past. And if you can rewrite history, you own the future. That is, by educating the youth, you're going to be able to dominate the future. So sadly, that's the situation I see presently.
00:07:55.060Okay, so your thesis then, and this is obviously in the book, that the CCP is very much a Leninist-inspired organization, neo-Leninist organization. Tell me about the Marxism, therefore the ideological Marxism in the West.
00:08:14.700Well, certainly. I prefer the term Leninism to Marxism, Ben. I'm happy to explain why.
00:08:24.460But you do see a flowering, really, of neo-Leninist parties in the West, in the UK,
00:08:33.420in the United States, Canada, Australia, certainly. So when we're talking about these ideologies,
00:08:41.900I see Marx as a very important figure, certainly with Engels, no doubt about it,
00:08:47.740principally a theorist, a very important one, as well as, to a degree, a practitioner. But it is
00:08:54.220Lenin who brings the theory and the practice together. It is Lenin who explains how communism
00:09:02.140is going to advance in the West, as well as elsewhere, through his really three-pronged
00:09:17.340in 1917. Secondly, through the Red Army. And providentially, of course, the Red Army was
00:09:24.140stopped outside of Warsaw by the Poles in a heroic battle, the Battle of Warsaw in 1920,
00:09:30.940which kept the Bolsheviks from reaching Germany, which would have led to a supernova,0.58
00:09:36.060Really, I think of Bolshevism at that time. Thirdly, through the United Front.0.67
00:09:42.540Lenin, in his writings, explained in conjunction with Zinoviev and other very important Bolsheviks
00:09:49.020that the way to spread communism, if a coup d'etat is not possible and if the Red Army is not
00:09:54.700possible, was to bore from within, to concentrate on institutions that exist, for example, the ideas
00:10:02.060industry the culture industry and others to work from within to undermine them to bring about the
00:10:09.400revolution okay so so let me ask you because you you do write about this quite clearly quite
00:10:16.000beautifully in fact in your book um around pages off the top of my head 167 and then 170 onward
00:10:23.420and you're talking um really about and now you say you prefer the term leninism to marxism
00:10:29.680But in a sense, you draw the line between Leninism and cultural Marxism as pursued by Gramsci and the Frankfurt School and that project.
00:10:40.740And when you talk about the ability around the world to launch direct coup d'etat against the state, you confront Lenin's quite candid admission that really the working class in the West isn't poor enough, isn't downtrodden enough as it is in Russia.
00:11:08.700And therefore, it's not particularly fertile ground for a revolution simply because it's not, you know, the working class in the West realizes that that communism is actually not going to be in their interest because they're moving ahead via the free market capitalist system.
00:11:25.200Perhaps a little too slowly than one would like, but they're certainly moving ahead, which wasn't the case for the serfs and the industrial base in Russia at that time.
00:11:36.000So if you want, I'll give a quick shout out, as I must, to our sponsor in just a moment.0.56
00:11:41.980But let me bring this point to you then about the cultural Marxism as a continuation of Lenin's sort of perhaps greater, more sophisticated appraisal of things than Stalin.
00:11:56.060Stalin was very good, I think, at ruling through fear, right?
00:11:59.720He had that down to a T in the cynicism and the purges.
00:12:05.420But I think intellectually, Lenin's grasp of things was was pretty superior.
00:12:12.620Tell me then about his before we move on about his grasp of these things on the importance of this, this, this, this cultural approach, which has been attributed, some people say erroneously to Gramsci about the long march through the institutions.
00:12:31.360Well, Lenin's idea was use whatever works, given local conditions. So in a very important document,
00:12:39.800left-wing communism in infantile disorder, where he explained where really what Rosa Luxemburg and
00:12:47.560Karl Liebknecht wanted, Marx's vision of an uprising by the working class is just not going
00:12:52.520to happen. The party has to make it happen, Ben, as you said, right? The West is not going to move0.78
00:12:59.480towards revolution, so the party has to drive it. And the party will be working through the United
00:13:04.700Front, front organizations, fellow travelers, communist parties, and others to bring about
00:13:11.020this revolution. Now, those ideas inspired the Frankfurt School and Gromsky. And of course,
00:13:16.780they're important figures, to be sure. But Lenin is driving this. Lenin gives you the tools.
00:13:23.400He gives you the toolkit. He gives you the roadmap. He tells you what to do to bring about
00:13:29.080this revolution. And so it's far more, if you will, parsimonious, I think, inaccurate to say
00:13:34.660it's really Lenin who's driving this, and he's pointed us in the direction. That is,
00:13:41.700those who want to bring about a revolution can do so, because Lenin is driven by an incandescent
00:13:48.860hatred for the West, for Western civilization, for liberal democracy, for democracy of all types.
00:13:56.240And he's determined to destroy it, and without exaggeration, to remake everything, which, of course, is the Bolshevik intent to destroy the church, to destroy the family, to destroy civil society, to destroy journalism, to destroy how we think of our past and how we think about our future.
00:14:17.660So when we recognize that he's driven by this incandescent hatred and his intent is to remake0.56
00:14:22.780everything, we can understand the situation today in the West. You have individuals, we are truly in
00:14:30.380a revolutionary time in the West, in the UK, and in the United States, and they are very close,
00:14:37.180if you will, on the cusp of realizing their last stage of the revolution,
00:14:41.740which is through the tool of immigration, which is to bring in mass immigration to provide mass,
00:14:48.860which is something that they've lacked thus far. At the elite level, they've triumphed. They own
00:14:53.820the ideas industry. They own the culture industry. They operate, if you will, seamlessly across that,
00:15:01.340but they don't have numbers because of the American spirit or of the spirit, of course,
00:15:07.740we identify in the West, that too many Westerners don't want to have a Leninist government,
00:15:16.700certainly by their desire. But Lenin doesn't care. He doesn't care what you want. This is moving
00:15:24.620ahead and it's going to happen. And the last component, mass, is going to be resolved with
00:16:00.620I published an article earlier this week revealing that in the United States today, the annualized interest rates on the national debt of the $40 trillion worth of national debt, the interest repayments have reached $1.2 trillion.
00:16:20.760And to put that into perspective, this is simply servicing the interest on the debt. This isn't paying back the debt. To put that into perspective, America is the largest military industrial complex the world has ever known.
00:16:41.060And yet, and yet America is spending more money on servicing its national debt than it is spending on defence stroke warfare at 1.2 trillion. That's a heck of a lot of money.
00:16:56.480And if you're asking yourselves, folks, well, how is the federal government going to continue to be able to do this?
00:17:05.900Especially, of course, if interest rates start to rise.
00:17:09.300Well, the last thing the government is going to do is to meet its obligations here by straight up raising taxes.
00:17:19.880So one of the factors that the United States will do to kick the ball down the field is to print money.
00:17:34.240And that will have the consequence of increasing the trends already seen over the last 15 years of creating an escalatory asset bubble, asset bubbles.
00:17:55.540If you want to get your dollars out of savings, where they're going to be inflated away, and try and get them into an asset whose price is going to go up, speak to Philip Patrick about buying gold, physical gold.
00:18:15.540because gold is already in the last couple of months
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00:18:28.440$5,400 an ounce a couple of weeks ago about a month or so
00:18:34.280it goes down to $4,000 already it's back up to $4,500
00:18:38.540the escalation in the spot price of gold is already underway
00:18:44.860So if you want to get in on this and the only thing stopping you is you don't know how to do it technically, how to go about, for example, setting up an IRA in physical gold and to have that hedge in times of turbulence, speak to someone who does know.
00:19:08.300And that would be Philip Patrick and his team at Birch Gold Group. Text Bannon, B-A-N-N-O-N, to 989898. They're there, standing by, ready to field your calls. Once again, text Bannon, B-A-N-N-O-N, to 989898. Let's get back to Dr. Thayer.
00:19:29.200Dr. Thayer, so you just mentioned the invasion that's underway, and you said that that's one of the most active proponents now of trying to destabilize and cause to implode the West from within.
00:19:46.200Here's something that many people wrestle with. It's clear that this is being driven amongst the globalist elites, for sure, and the Chamber of Commerce brigade, for sure.
00:20:03.900But it's also being driven most strongly on the political spectrum by those proponents who identify themselves the most as being of the left.0.96
00:20:14.880And the more radically of the left they are, the more gung-ho they are about bringing in people, importing people in huge numbers from the third world.
00:20:23.480Help me here because how is it that these left-wing ideologues who most open, these are the guys who most openly embrace, say, the socialist name?0.91
00:20:41.560And where there's very little difference between communism and the positions held by some of these in America, socialist democrats.
00:20:51.320How is it that these, to call them communists, under a different name, are bringing about this substitute reserve working base, which was the very thing that Marx suggested existed to undermine the conditions of the working class?
00:21:16.620There is somewhat of a paradox here. And if you could help me just sort of throw some clarity and light on that in the final four minutes of this, this half of the show, I'd be very grateful.
00:21:29.100Well, certainly, Ben, I think we should think about mass immigration as Lenin calling in reinforcements to destabilize and destroy the West.0.53
00:21:38.340So we have in the West and throughout the West neo-Leninist parties which are driving0.72
00:21:46.420this mass immigration and who are determined never to end it. The solution to whatever0.68
00:21:52.580problem exists is more immigration and without end. And so we need to recognize Lenin's insight,
00:22:01.220the worse the better. The worst conditions are in the West, the worst conditions are for
00:22:06.660Western civilization, the better it is for the revolution, the communist revolution.
00:22:11.700And we have a situation like that, of course, in Europe and in the US today, where were the0.73
00:22:17.460Democrats to return to power, they would bring in 40, 60, 80 million more immigrants. You see
00:22:23.460that labor has no intention of stopping the boats of immigration, and you see the EU has no intention
00:22:30.420ever of stopping immigration. So the book puts that in some context. We can understand that now
00:22:38.480and understand why the book's solution, which is to have a renaissance, if you will, of American
00:22:44.960identity and of Western civilization more broadly, again, from Australia to Europe and from Canada,
00:22:52.120of course, to New Zealand, that's necessary to stop this. For individuals to recognize they're
00:22:59.660going to have to become involved in politics if this is going to be stopped, halted, and then if
00:23:06.680we can move to solutions to the problems that the Leninists have placed us. But if we don't do that,
00:23:15.000we're going to be in a very dire situation, and this revolution is actually going to be realized.
00:23:19.760We will be moving very quickly into totalitarianism, and that's a very dark future.
00:23:31.780OK, without sounding overly melodramatic, the things that the state does today routinely,
00:23:38.180we're not there to the level of literal purges, Stalin-esque purges yet, right?
00:23:46.320But the things that, like, going just back to COVID, right, the things that the state does today,0.70
00:23:51.560That would have been unthinkable in the Christian West, 100 years ago, locking everybody up in their own homes, forcing people to take experimental and dangerous vaccines.0.70
00:24:03.740No respect whatsoever for the integrity and sovereignty of the individual.0.93
00:24:10.000That is a presupposition on which totalitarianism is predicated, right?
00:24:19.200So we're well sort of moving into, you know, not all totalitarian regimes need to have people in one-party systems running around in political uniforms, right?
00:24:31.320Even if we are moving towards that uniparty thing by another name, right?
00:24:35.960But there are different ways of getting to the totalitarian, the total state thing.
00:24:41.800And the way that we're employing in the West is a pretty subtle way of doing it.
00:24:47.060Well, remember you're Lenin. Whatever works, right? Whatever works is what's going to happen. So, Ben, I think that's exactly right, that we are in a revolutionary time.
00:24:58.980The book explains why we're in that revolutionary time and the proper response to it.
00:25:07.280Identity, Western identity, American identity, traditional British identity, Irish identity, etc. are the solutions.
00:25:15.520The antidote to communism is a stronger American identity in Western civilization.
00:25:21.820The stronger those are, the weaker communism, which is why they've attacked those consistently.
00:25:25.980consistently as you cover again almost every episode it's looking at what is happening to
00:25:33.060destroy the west what's happening to destroy identity because the communists are driving that
00:25:38.020and the stronger of course their identity is the weaker uh western civilization is and and
00:25:45.100american identity so let's have a renaissance of this yeah and and to come back to the book one of
00:25:50.900The goals that has always been in the crosshairs of communism is Christianity.
00:25:56.860And that's why one of the things that we do point out on the war room as often as we can, because the point can never be forgotten,0.69
00:26:05.260is that the ideological communist infiltration of the Catholic Church is so fundamental to the possibility,
00:26:14.860the idea that you're proposing of having a renaissance of Christian values and American values.
00:26:20.900um as the the only antidote against ideological neo-leninism dr bradley thayer very quickly on
00:26:29.440social media where do people go to keep up with your analysis and where do they go to get this
00:26:33.920book america's 100 years war which is currently number one um in the rankings you've got the
00:26:40.720coveted orange label there on amazon where do people go to get hold of this folks can go to
00:26:46.820Amazon or Barnes and Noble or wherever you buy books.
00:26:49.180And you can find me at Brad Thayer on X
00:33:07.860I explained to them what happened, what's going on.
00:33:10.420Then they went to a disciplinary today.
00:33:12.580they called me in they chatted to me again i shouldn't stop this done and that i've explained
00:33:17.060everything to him to truthfully as i could i told him i know ryan for 10 15 years i haven't seen him
00:33:22.420i just pulled up say hello and that's it and i've thanked you for being friends with me yeah
00:33:29.540okay let's bring on ryan the lion bridge straight up uh ryan by the way you are
00:33:35.940we're just gonna explain exactly what took place there we've got a later part of that um later on
00:33:42.020in the show horrific story for our largely american audience the racs one of the the
00:33:47.560countries one of the uk is one of the two largest breakdown services right that that that most
00:33:54.080families will have insurance with one with either the aa or with um um the automobile association
00:34:01.780well they might have they might have one with both but the aa or the rac it's it's a household
00:34:09.420This pal of yours, Abdul, he basically was caught on social media in his own sort of, in his own name, as it were, appreciating your work, raising the flags.
00:34:24.120And he was sacked after having been a faithful employee of the RAC for the last six years.
00:34:32.080Sacked, summarily dismissed from one day to the next, simply for being associated with Ryan Bridge and raised the colours.
00:34:42.220It's an absolutely horrific story, but the reason I want to play this, and I did want to play that,
00:34:48.500And it's important that people see this, is it underlines the point, Ryan Bridge, that you raised repeatedly on this show, that Raise the Colors is not a front of a white nationalist racist organisation.
00:35:03.460The support from Britons of all backgrounds is behind RTC, is massive and growing every day.
00:35:15.820And this is the kind of thing, the penetration that you guys have now across all strata of British society is what I think the British establishment really fears the most.
00:35:27.260If you have a reaction to that or anything to say from the video to explain a bit of what we saw,
00:35:33.120and I'll play the second half of it because it is important that people see the degree of persecution.
00:35:38.820I mean, look, we know because we cover this every Friday what Ryan and his colleagues are up against
00:35:44.380with court hearings and being arrests and banned from whole counties, right?
00:35:52.420And countries, and you're just a private citizen.
00:35:55.120um but someone like abdul is someone who has no public no um background in fighting for these
00:36:03.480issues in the public square um so that you know a guy with a wife and kids and mortgage to pay
00:36:09.960that's just being thrown as he says thrown under the bus because of this it is absolutely horrific
00:36:15.180and it gives an indication i think uh of what you guys are up against every day simply for raising
00:36:22.340in a public space the flag of england correct i mean morning hello to everybody and hi ben thanks
00:36:32.240for having us on again um abdul i've known abdul i would say for near on 10 15 years he's he's in
00:36:39.680the car trade and i'm in the motor trade within my business um and the rac are one of the biggest
00:36:44.320breakdown and recovery companies in the country um like you say there's only two two two that are
00:36:50.540So, Abdul has obviously drove past and seen us raising the flags in our country, the flag of our country in our country, and the Union flag and the St George's Cross. As you can clearly see, Abdul's an Asian guy. And it looks like the woke liberal left do not like that we are coming together.
00:39:00.200The other thing is stopping the dingus, of which you do in your own private time to great effect.
00:39:07.620And in fact, by the way, you on Nick Ferrari, I think one, I would argue that the country's most important this week, you're on Nick Ferrari's show.
00:39:17.020I'd say without pretty much doubt, the most important radio DJ doing politics in the UK today.
00:39:23.740Very effectively, I think you communicated your points extremely effectively on that.
00:39:28.440And you were talking about what we're going to hit now, which is the fact that the UK Home Office has published what is being called an etiquette brochure for asylum seekers.
00:39:40.020Now, this is absolutely horrific. The fact that a taxpayer's expense is being put on a brochure basically to people.
00:39:49.400For example, Denver, if you wouldn't mind putting up the screen that has full of articles on how to survive. You are an illegal third world invader in the UK. You need to know how to comport yourself well. So in the UK, both people must say yes to sex.
00:40:08.660This is called consent because, of course, many of the illegal third world invaders won't know that.1.00
00:40:15.320And I don't particularly think they're going to be very much swayed by a home office brochure.1.00
00:40:23.200But I tell you what, I'm going to ask you to break this down.
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00:44:35.980so I'm Ryan I have to say when I was flicking through this atrocious
00:44:41.860document earlier I thought to myself you know what I don't even want these1.00
00:44:48.340These illegal third world invaders having sex with anyone in the UK with consent.1.00
00:44:58.420The last thing I want them to do is to start dropping one kid after another at taxpayer's expense, obviously, which will then be used and cited as reasons not to be deported.0.96
00:45:12.780these people they you know they shouldn't remain in the uk long enough to be having sex
00:45:18.900with or without consent am i going too far on that or do you think that's a perfectly
00:45:24.420a prudential position to be holding no no i mean ben i've just gone on about the government and how
00:45:31.020they're wasting money on producing these documents but let's look at let's look at some of the the
00:45:37.080terms that are in these documents so the viewers can see stopping women from working or studying
00:45:41.940controlling what they wear don't letting them see their friends and family decisions that women make
00:45:48.040are an agreeing with them it is it is beyond it's basically you know never physically or verbally
00:45:57.020abuse women never control a woman um treat your partner with respect it's things that you should
00:46:02.460know anyway you should always feel friendly if people um agree to have sex with you or not you
00:46:08.960you need to have something called consent it's it's ludicrous to think that these people don't
00:46:14.680know this already they should be in a camp it should be detained screen and deport these people
00:46:22.220are coming in illegally they shouldn't be given um these these pamphlets and booklets and i just
00:46:28.760think it's outrageous that somebody has got the power within our country to think and somebody's
00:46:34.740pass this off in the government and to think that this is what the general public are going to think
00:46:39.360oh at least the government are doing something we need to close the borders we need to get the navy
00:46:44.020the the royal navy in in the channel we need to stop the boats coming across we're going to go
00:46:49.340on to that now with the next thing but for them to say if someone you must stop having sex if they
00:46:54.800change their mind it's it's absolutely crazy to give these leaflets out to these these third0.81
00:47:01.540world invaders and i just don't agree with it and i can't see how the left can think that this is a1.00
00:47:07.160good idea to give these people a brochure of what we should expect because it's not in their country
00:47:12.420these countries are on red lists we're not allowed to go there so why should we let them0.96
00:47:16.920come here especially with no documents especially with no screening
00:47:21.240it's um it's performative that's right it's not like it's gonna have zero effect
00:47:27.460It's a performative gesture on behalf of the British government, so it can wash its hands of the huge spike in invader-related sexual crime against women and children, and boys as well, by the way.