00:03:24.220They always referred to Mother Cabrini, who back in the 19th, you know, the last turn of the century, took care of legal immigrants who were brought in here by law from Europe, not who flooded in under the radar, picked up by all the cartels and all the children stolen and abused.
00:03:45.500No, it was a different situation, but for the bishops and for Leo, because this is also Leo's worldwide migration week starting kicking off on, I think, Thursday at the end of this week, everyone is Jesus.
00:04:02.700And it's also about children, the children migration, because Jesus said, let the children come to me, which means let the abandoned children of illegal aliens escape through government NGOs and Catholic charities into the hands of cartels.
00:04:23.360That's what let the little children come to me means when Jesus said that in the Bible.
00:04:28.400According to Leo and the bishops, it's also, you know, nicely timed for the midterms, of course.
00:04:36.580So the bishops here and Leo are turning out everything that they can.
00:04:40.820Leo says they are concrete faces, these children, who have unique stories and call on our conscience.
00:04:46.340Every year, millions of children and adolescents are forced to leave their homeland because of war, poverty, violence, environmental disaster.
00:04:52.820and other tragedies. Their numbers continue to grow sadly. So Trump is so bad, and the deportations
00:05:00.340are so terrible, and Leo and his bishops want you to know that. The only problem is that Catholic1.00
00:05:06.420charities of the Rio Grande just a couple years ago have been given a six-year suspension on
00:05:12.280getting government funding, and Sister Pimentel, or I call her that, Sister Pimentel, used to have
00:05:18.680pictures of her surrounded by the children just like jesus meanwhile more than half of the um0.88
00:05:25.820the people that they she has claimed to serve in her terrible auditing don't don't even exist on
00:05:31.520the dhs records on the government records so where are they coming from and the and the the tactics
00:05:37.160that they used for entry and exit really dovetail well with the cartels and smugglers and so it just
00:05:44.280can i tell you who else doesn't exist right let me tell you who else doesn't exist absolutely
00:05:51.460invisible american taxpayers they don't exist they're nowhere to be seen in the thoughts and
00:05:58.600considerations of the american association of hiring shepherds not a reference to
00:06:04.280this campaign will work then you don't think the campaign will affect the people
00:06:09.600it will work with the people it normally works with right and with the people who have switched
00:06:17.380off and tuned out and now see the hoax and the charade for what it is and hopefully it will
00:06:23.600cement them in the courage necessary to bring down the this this gaggle of usurpers um and do
00:06:32.520what we say every week on this show which is for the catholic laity it's the only way out of this
00:06:36.920folks, for the Catholic laity to take the running of this church out of the hands of
00:06:44.440the hireling shepherds, cause correction, and then decide at some future point.0.98
00:06:54.980You know, Ben, Ken Paxson, who's running for Senate, has sued the Catholic charities in0.57
00:07:00.740the Rio Grande Valley and saying that they're keeping stash houses of illegals and engage
00:07:05.480human smuggling and facilitate illegal entry of migrants. And also there was a subcommittee just
00:07:12.500at the beginning of this month where they had an expert on guarding against trafficking. And she
00:07:18.160said during the prior administration, I would say lots of the NGOs that were granted millions and
00:07:23.060billions of dollars in awards and mishandled these programs lost hundreds of thousands of children
00:07:27.680and profited greatly. I mean, these are lives of children that are taken in by the cartels.
00:07:33.720They even like coordinate with them with pamphlets. Catholic charities, half of the people that they use are not even part of the system, but their locks and keys are coordinated with the cartels.
00:07:46.200And even the organ-donating Chinese organ-harvesting cartels are also listed in this report.
00:07:54.600From time to time, it does make it out into the press, not often, not as often as it should be,
00:08:00.260because the press is basically regime media in Italy as it is in America, as it is in the UK,
00:08:10.300and they tow the regime line, but occasionally it breaks out
00:08:14.360that the Catholic Church is actively, the institutional Catholic Church,
00:08:19.000via the welcome, the accolienza, that they are complicit,
00:08:26.460absolutely proactively complicit for many, for taxpayer euros
00:08:31.100in human trafficking under the guise of welcoming the migrant0.51
00:08:40.040And it's a hoax. But one thing that I appreciated, Frank, in your analysis of this is just how all in and how invested the institutional Catholic Church is in keeping the invasion going.0.78
00:08:56.500And the reason for this, as you were saying, it's all to do with money and to get some people to fill out the threadbare abandoned pews with some pretty savvy invaders who understand how to play the game.0.55
00:09:13.360They've got to pretend to play the Christian game that they're fleeing persecution in their home country.0.92
00:10:24.300they do this very quickly unless you stop freeze frame say stop hold on a minute they do this so
00:10:32.880quick is it bombards you bombards the senses and one is unable to fight back the bait and switch
00:10:40.100here is oh this is the the one of the most most appalling aspects of the invasion um and the fact0.94
00:10:51.000that it's sort of being pushed by the catholic church that's being done in the name of god in
00:10:56.400the name of jesus in the name of the gospel the um pope leo has chosen the text from matthew 18
00:11:04.0005 even just one of these children that is to say whoever welcomes one such child in my name
00:11:13.480welcomes me so what what what am i talking about the walnut shell game here there's no argument
00:11:20.620about welcoming right i think believing christians have demonstrated themselves over the past 2 000
00:11:28.660years of human history to be the most welcoming adherence on the face of the planet the issue
00:11:36.580isn't welcoming the issue is paying right because what the human traffickers and those who make
00:11:43.780their money out of the trafficking of the vulnerable people including children
00:11:48.120But the shtick is when you get the invaders into the West, you are then obliged to state and where this hasn't been achieved by legislation, it's been achieved by judicial activism.
00:11:59.720Once the invader is in, you then have to spend funds on education and health care and all and accommodation and feeding and the whole gamut of the welfare state is therefore necessary.0.53
00:13:14.640There are hundreds of millions of people from various third world countries
00:13:18.160who would love to come across, who are coming across the border,
00:13:21.280the southern border, and expecting to live free on your dime.
00:13:25.160Same thing here in continental Europe.
00:13:28.680A billion people in Africa would love to come across,1.00
00:13:33.020and they are coming across into Europe to live on the European taxpayer euro.0.93
00:13:38.380So unless your position is anybody who wants to, which is, by the way, the Catholic Church's position, anyone who wants to come in, you have a human right to invade another country and for them to pay for you.
00:13:52.140That is your human God-given right. So do so and we'll pay for you and we'll help, we'll assist this.
00:13:58.880Unless that is your position, you are going to have to say no at some point. Are you going to say no now?
00:14:07.240Are you going to say no when a million people have come in
00:14:09.520and brought the system to bankruptcy and social collapse?
00:14:14.340Are you going to say no when 10 million people come in
00:14:17.060and you're in Camp of the Saints territory?
00:14:29.280It's not about saying we refuse to recognize Jesus Christ
00:14:33.140in the face of the poor and the vulnerable.
00:14:34.940The issue is a prudential issue of paying for, and if you don't give every penny that you have in your pocket to a homeless person as you're walking by, because you prudentially decide you can spend that money on other just uncharitable causes, the state has no right to take that taxpayer dollar from you, forcibly, throwing you in prison if you refuse to do it, and to give it to the poor people you refuse to do to.
00:15:04.220that is not an exercise of charity all right look i'm sorry to stay on this point it is absolutely
00:15:10.180essential for the um for the defense of the judeo-christian west that we christians in public
00:15:18.000life um encourage the faithful um to have that spine put back in their back so they can stand
00:15:26.560up and resist and resist in christian terms with christian vocabulary what these people
00:15:32.740who are not christians right are trying to foist on the faithful right okay sorry folks
00:15:40.100that exposition um but this is important the defense of the judeo-christian west is at stake
00:15:47.060here if there's if the um and we need to see the institutional catholic church for the enemy
00:15:52.440that it is on this point all right okay um quick shout out to the show sponsor then back with
00:15:58.860jenny and frank in just one quick moment uh birch gold group all you know for the last month we've
00:16:05.540been pointing out now that the national debt in the united states is now at 4 40 trillion dollars
00:16:12.080with the annualized interest rate repayments at 1.2 trillion dollars huge amount of money there
00:16:21.020which is more than America is spending even on defense,
00:16:28.560which is not bad for the world's largest military industrial complex.
00:16:33.880This article here you see in front of you on the screen,
00:16:37.840I flagged that up from the Financial Times this week,
00:16:41.960says that Wall Street expects the US to issue about $1 trillion of short-term debt
00:16:48.700we are heading into times of turbulence folks if you have dollar savings those are going to be
00:16:56.240whittled away as it doesn't matter who's in the white house whoever is in the white house so
00:17:02.160this donald trump or anyone else is all almost a certain degree has their hands tied on this one
00:17:09.400they are going to confiscate wealth from whatever area of the economy that it is in order to pay off
00:17:16.960the the requirements on the national debt um and that means if you have dollar savings those are
00:17:23.120going to be whittled away as well via inflation so speak to philip patrick and his team at birch
00:17:32.000gold group if you haven't done it already now you can see now that the the the headlines are
00:17:39.640absolutely clear especially in the financial press of what is going to happen now over the next few
00:17:45.540years speak to philip patrick and his team text bannon b-a-double-n-o-n to 989898 or go to
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00:18:01.320stroke bannon because um as they say if you're hoping that it's all peter's dan without having
00:18:10.860any negative consequence on your savings hope is not a strategy all right okay jenny holland um
00:18:19.660some good news now coming out of oregon um a christian widow a mother a widow who had five
00:18:29.660children of her own put up for wanted the license to be able to adopt and i'm guessing she answered
00:18:37.020the questionnaire that had asked certain questions like would you encourage your children to to
00:18:42.380transition would you take them to gay pride uh marches all of which she quite correctly and0.77
00:18:49.300courageously said no and oregon turned around said well in that case we're not going to put out any
00:18:54.840children to you and she took the state of oregon to court um i think there was an intervening
00:19:04.200district court judgment that in her favor now my reading of this journey is that this it didn't
00:19:11.420this has resolved i i it appears to me in some kind of court supervised out of court settlement
00:19:20.660that is i don't think the judge formally ruled i don't think it was pushed for for the judge to
00:19:26.860formally rule in her favor um which would have set the judicial precedent um which would have
00:19:34.260been useful oregon backed down this is my reading of this oregon had backed down before that took
00:19:39.900place um and and they're backing down even agreeing to paying all of her legal fees
00:19:47.600is is only to her it is a concession only to her and not to all christian parents on this situation
00:19:55.900But I know, Jenny, you're following this quite a lot. It's still good news, right? It's still something that can be built on in the future when Christian parents, actively Christian, are being turned away from adoption because of the coherence to the faith.
00:20:14.460It's not, the state doesn't have a lockdown on this, on the inevitability.
00:20:18.600Yeah. Well, before we get into the details of the specific foster mother or prospective adoptive mother in Oregon, it's important to note that the Trump administration has really put its shoulder to the wheel on this case specifically.
00:20:36.900And last September, in September 2025, one of the undersecretaries or deputy secretaries of the Administration for Children and Families, so part of the DHS, the Trump administration's DHS, sorry, DHS, Health and Human Services,
00:20:56.940wrote to Oregon notifying it that it would begin an investigation into its policies of not letting basically Christian parents adopt and foster children in need
00:21:12.500because of their refusal to uphold their respect, accept, and support sort of doctrine,
00:21:21.000which included gender ideology and sexual orientation, as well as socioeconomic status
00:21:27.220and race and spiritual beliefs, the whole bundle of woke identitarianism.
00:21:35.100So Oregon was notified last year that it would be under investigation because of this policy.
00:21:41.220It was told explicitly that millions of dollars of federal funding were on the line, and this was triggered by this woman's case specifically.
00:21:52.620And yes, as you said, she's a widow with five children who wanted to adopt two children under nine.
00:22:00.200And when asked about, as a hypothetical, would she agree to give children gender-affirming drugs, i.e. puberty blockers, medication that has been shown to sterilize young teens, essentially.
00:22:18.060and would she sort of encourage them in their delusions that they were born in the wrong body, as they like to say,
00:22:27.600and did she support the LGBTQ plus agenda?
00:22:32.000She, according to her conscience, said no.
00:22:36.000So I read it differently, actually, and I think it might still be unclear as to whether or not this applies just to her
00:22:47.160or to all prospective parents, adoptive parents in Oregon.
00:22:52.560I have read that it is, the whole clause is to be taken out
00:22:57.100involving all the identities, including the gender dysphoria identity.
00:23:03.040But I think that's something that needs to be kept an eye on
00:23:05.920because it's not, I don't know if it's exactly clear yet.
00:23:10.040But so it was absolutely a win for her.
00:23:12.480Of course, the state of Oregon still has a carve out
00:23:15.080in which it can still match parents to children who have gender dysphoria, so they can still
00:23:22.900choose, select a gender-affirming family over a gender realism family, and so there's plenty
00:23:31.820of workarounds, but it's really, really, really important to note for this audience in particular,
00:23:37.520how many weeks are we away from the midterms? This is precisely the kind of thing, the kind
00:23:44.880of incredibly important issue in which the Trump administration has absolutely moved the needle
00:23:52.560and is really the only game in town. There is no alternative. And I will say this until I'm blue
00:23:59.140in the face. I will go down with any ship on this because there is no one else coming to save us
00:24:05.280other than this administration. So if you care about children having their lives destroyed
00:24:12.040by deranged zealot social workers who believe that sterilizing children is a medical cure
00:24:20.100for some made-up mental condition, then you really need to go out there in the midterms
00:24:29.600and support your local Republican candidates.
00:24:32.100Sorry to turn this into a party political platform.
00:25:02.160that this administration has done that we really think it ought not have done.
00:25:05.980um but when push comes to shove as you illustrate here that is why it's so important um the the
00:25:14.200are so important can i just say i will add to what you said quickly yeah sorry yeah yeah of course
00:25:20.220let me say this and then i'll give you the closing minute um this is how but this this is
00:25:27.800the illustration of of how badly your elites hate you that as the alliance defending freedom which
00:25:35.120was the organization that represented this mother and Jessica Bates pointed out in its statement
00:25:41.580Oregon's dangerous gender ideology to young kids um about forcing them to take parents to take them0.77
00:25:49.480to parades um when Christians parents refuse to that that's that the state considers them unfit
00:25:58.700to be parents that is the blowout point here right the state of oregon considers believing
00:26:05.580christians fundamentally to be unfit parents look you've got 45 seconds the and it's not just
00:26:11.880christians there was a case in oregon in 2024 where a 15 year old was taken from custody from
00:26:17.880her parents home because her mother showed her videos arguing against gender ideology
00:26:23.720The girl's therapist reported her to the social services, and the following day, upon this action of the therapist, the child was removed from the custody of the parents and has not been returned to their custody.
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00:31:55.680on to this piece that we wanted to hit last week with frank um but the time we we if you remember
00:32:02.740we swallowed the whole of the um the first half half of the show on a separate story the daily
00:32:08.720telegraph in the uk which is normally i suppose this is the case of the mask slipping the daily
00:32:15.520telegraph is normally quite a reliable um anti-woke newspaper jenny i'm sure you'll agree in as far as
00:32:23.280you can talk about any british main exemplar of the mainstream press in the uk as being um
00:32:31.680anti-woke the telegraph would would traditionally have always held that that that that role
00:32:38.720They have an article, however, you know, let's put this in the category of the mask slips.
00:32:44.260They have this article out, Pearl Clutching, saying that the far right is seizing on Christianity for moral cover.
00:32:56.160And it's a deconstruction as far as they attempt to do that, specifically picking on Tommy Robinson and the carol service that he did.
00:33:08.720in the uk frank walker um you know something that we try whenever we can on the war room which is
00:33:19.840to nudge the debate towards certainly believing christians both evangelicals and catholics who
00:33:27.460follow this show to nudge them as we can towards the um christian nationalist movement um that's
00:33:37.900the movement that's in the crosshairs of the the uk mainstream media and it's pretty clear
00:33:44.860that the type of you know when they were the opening of the article frank walker is that the
00:33:50.920misty-eyed references to the carol services that take place 50 000 or so of them um each year in
00:33:58.080the in the uk that's what they want they want carol services mince pies um and they basically want
00:34:05.040a cultural christianity where the rubber never hits the road and the idea of someone like
00:34:14.320tommy robinson who by all accounts had some conversion or reversion public conversion
00:34:23.240experience in prison when he was put in prison for a year and a half by the way by the way for
00:34:28.680contempt of court i hope you see my my my scare quotes on that contempt of court they put tommy
00:34:34.520robinson in prison for i think on an 18 month sentence that time and they tried to shut him
00:34:40.620down before by sending him to prison and this time um he uh was clearly preached to heard the gospel
00:34:51.080and was converted and he said he says in the organization of the carol service um last
00:35:00.180christmas it wasn't a political event he didn't want it to be a political event he wanted it to
00:35:04.220be a christian event well of course the reason being uh quite correctly is that tommy robinson
00:35:10.260and he was sincere in that i think he he kept the politics out of it but he realizes that for
00:35:15.480um as few people in the uk do realize he realizes now that the successful defense of the uk has a
00:35:24.080spiritual that is a religious dimension to it and part of that therefore when our opposition
00:35:31.260our religious opposition, Islam, clearly knows that it is fighting a religious war and understands what it's about.0.93
00:35:38.580Tommy Robinson realises, well, if we're going to have a chance of fighting back,0.99
00:35:43.380we also need to realise on our side what this is about.
00:35:47.820And that's obviously what the regime doesn't want people to be thinking about.
00:35:52.560Frank Walker, break down, if you wouldn't mind, the arguments in the UK press on this one
00:35:57.000against tommy robinson and christian nationalism and the the use of christian imagery um in the
00:36:06.740defense of christendom i remember when they were putting tommy robinson in jail and he looked
00:36:13.620terrified for his life so i'm not surprised he had a conversion experience he's one of the most
00:36:19.100hard-hitting people on X. His tweets are fantastic. So I think he's a brilliant leader
00:36:27.280for this cause. And this piece here at the Holy Telegraph, the first person, Reverend Helen
00:36:36.360Painter, she paints him as being sincere. And he did have a small rally, a Christian rally that was
00:36:43.880not supposed to be religious, but it's grown. It's taken on a movement, and people responded
00:36:50.660to it. So in a sincere love for the Christian religion, the followers of Tommy Robinson have
00:36:57.500come together, and the most interesting thing that they mention is that they, and when you
00:37:01.880see them at their rallies, they wear paramilitary-style uniforms and big crosses around their necks.
00:37:07.560So they don't have a huge sense of Christian doctrine or Christian training, but they're sort of acting on instinct.
00:37:17.320And the fascinating thing to me here is that they've been deprived of this, this aspect, this militant aspect of Catholic faith and manly love for your country and for your family and for your neighborhood and the people that you love.
00:37:35.880this has been erased from the race of the human race. It's been taken away. And you can see that
00:37:41.980in the response of the so-called experts, Tommy Robinson. Some of them say they sneer at him.
00:37:49.480Some of them say, well, he's just ignorant or he's just political. And this has been going on0.99
00:37:54.280for a long, long time. But when they finally get to the right reverend, Rose Hudson Wilkin,
00:38:02.100the Bishop of Dover, she really is angry. She's like, how many of them go to church and worship?
00:38:08.280How many of them have the guts to shout loudly that the Lord has risen? So the institutional
00:38:13.640church, and they're like, they don't even go to church. The institutional church is the enemy
00:38:18.500of Tavi Robinson and these crusaders, this crusader aspect, this manly love of country,
00:38:25.640This this idea of sacrifice is manifesting in the UK.
00:38:30.120I know I know, you know, Ben, you're a Brit and Jen, you're in Northern Ireland.
00:38:34.580You live this every day. You see how it's happening.
00:38:37.640These these people want to defend their their God.
00:38:41.760You know, we have a right to God. We have a right to religion.
00:38:44.700They sneer at him as being using his religion as a as this some some kind of fake thing, just giving them cover.
00:38:50.880But it's something that he truly believes.
00:38:53.260And the people that are following him, they believe in Christianity, they want to follow, but they have no church.
00:38:59.060You know, it reminds me of St. Joan of Arc.
00:39:01.220She had her men go to confession every morning before they would go and fight.
00:39:06.480And she was victorious that way through the sacraments and the love of a church.
00:39:11.680And that's exactly what these men need.
00:39:15.480They just need actual, I'd say, actual Catholics in there praying with them and priests praying with them and giving them the sacraments and forgiving their sins.0.89
00:39:25.840And they'll be like, OK, I'm ready to take care of business because I know I'm going to go to heaven.0.96
00:39:30.560That's the kind of thing that's really missing.
00:39:34.340So you've got these Carol concerts as the Daily Telegraph.
00:39:38.920I think you called it the Holy Telegraph, which is quite cute in your analysis.
00:39:44.480You've got the thousand or so, 20-year-old men in balaclavas
00:39:49.400and paramilitary uniforms and crosses around their neck out there
00:39:53.540singing Once in Royal David City and all the rest of it.
00:40:08.440Then you're blessed for that if you don't get that.
00:40:11.760um and then that'll save me from from the anecdote i was going to give i'll just say this to jenny
00:40:17.180you tell me jenny i don't think whether these 20 year old power sort of pseudo power militaries
00:40:22.800in balaclavas are going to be converted by dawn french type uh bishops um with the bishop
00:40:32.540the bid the bishopesses that's just that's not that's that she's sort of hiding to nothing there
00:40:39.340That's not going to do the trick. This is the problem with the Church of England, the Anglican Highling Shepherds and Catholic Highling Shepherds for the last 50 or 60 years, having abandoned Christian doctrine in the public square and substituted it for pseudo-Marxist platitudes, people have just switched off.
00:41:00.220And when you get to the second or third generation of Brits who have no experience of Christianity whatsoever, as Frank was saying, they might not be formed in Christian theology, but they sure as hell know what it's not.
00:41:14.580and they see the pretense fake highling shepherds
00:41:18.740and they dismiss them without them even opening their minds
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00:43:39.700Okay, so Jenny Holland, as we round out the show with you, September the 23rd this year is, as it is every year, the liturgical feast day of Padre Pio.
00:43:54.080And I say this to our Protestant brothers and sisters who are following the show today, in the Catholic world, in the Catholic sphere, Padre Pio is so well known, even though he has now been canonized as Saint Pio of Pietrelcina, he's simply known still to this day as Padre Pio, or even among certain old Italians as Saint Padre Pio.
00:44:24.080Um, Jenny Holland, um, tell us a bit, look, tell us a bit about Padre Pio.
00:44:30.900And I will just tell you my favorite miracle of his when he was still alive.
00:44:36.200A young girl called Gemma, Italian girl, was born blind with no, no pupils, no, no pupils in her eyes.
00:45:32.320There are many, Padre Pio has a life full of those type anecdotes.
00:45:40.160Just tell us very quickly in the final five minutes,
00:45:43.320And I say this, I do have a personal devotion to Padre de Pio.
00:45:48.000Tell us a bit, if you wouldn't mind, for our Protestant brothers and sisters, just a little bit about this great Italian Capuchin saint.
00:46:00.400Well, you know, I don't think that I'm the person best placed to give the ins and outs of his biography.
00:46:07.080Obviously, you and Frank would be better placed for that.
00:46:09.340But any Catholic audience member would be able to do a better job than me.
00:46:17.020But what I will say about Padre Pio is this, even in my own heathen upbringing as a very secular child of liberal lefty bohemians, Padre Pio had penetrated my consciousness because in Ireland he was a hugely beloved figure.
00:46:36.460So friends who had very traditional Catholic parents, they would have Padre Pio stickers on their cars and images of him in the home and stuff like that.
00:46:45.220And this interesting piece, again, marking his Saints Day, gives a lot of background into just the extraordinary phenomena that surrounded him, starting out, I mean, he was from a very, very humble peasant family, early 20th century, late 19th, early 20th century childhood.
00:47:07.060He served in World War I and had suffered these sort of mysterious maladies as he was training, entering into the Capuchin order.
00:47:18.780He was a Capuchin, eventually became a Capuchin friar.
00:47:22.740And, you know, he he he was plagued by these sort of mysterious medical problems.
00:47:29.780In fact, the article says it is almost as if someone or a force did not want him to join a religious order.
00:47:37.720He then also got the stigmata and he he had these wounds, the hands, feet and inside wounds of the stigmata, I think, throughout his life.
00:47:50.000Um, and, you know, this scenario where we had, you know, medicine and doctors and, and nothing could ever really be fully explained, um, in any, in any material, uh, with any material explanation.
00:48:01.760Now, I think what matters to today, to 2026, given all the things, the topics we've covered today, the Oregon social workers, the Church of England sneering at the religious devotion of young militant working class men.
00:48:21.160And, you know, one of the most confounding and exceptional things about Catholicism in particular is that its sense of mystery and its miracles and also the idea of suffering.
00:48:39.900This is the most sort of jarring part. For me personally, when I read about early Christianity specifically, I struggle with how this facet, which is foundational, it's not an element, it is the foundation of the Christian story as a whole, the suffering, not just of Jesus, but of his followers, and how this fits into the modern world, where our physical reality is incredibly comfortable.
00:49:16.420But as a whole, we have running water, we have central heating, we have comfortable clothes, we mostly have enough to eat.
00:49:23.480We are not being put through the torments of the early saints.
00:49:28.760And Padre Pio has a lot of the—I mean, obviously not to the extent of some of the really early Christians, but he suffered throughout his life.
00:49:36.780This is the thing that certainly the Christian hierarchy, both Catholic and Anglican, has completely lost, this idea of suffering for your faith.
00:49:47.220I personally don't know how to process that.
00:49:52.000Both of you are in a better place to give your thoughts on that.
00:49:55.100But that idea actually has, I think, growing appeal, especially amongst young men, people like Tommy Robinson, who is very much has the makings of a martyr.
00:50:07.840Unfortunately, I hate to say that because I don't want him to suffer.
00:50:11.780But, you know, he has he has suffered truly for his his beliefs in his in his nation.
00:50:17.880He's a prison. He had to go into isolation because he was in danger from the rest of the prison population.
00:50:23.920And he has endured these torments, but most of us haven't. I don't know how to, I don't know how this fits with our normal topics of conversation on this show, because in, you know, but I do know that the, that hard element, the hard Christianity, the hard line, the hard sort of manly, as Frank was saying,0.59
00:50:53.920defense of the realm, defense of the nation, defense of the family, that is growing in urgency
00:51:00.240and importance, whilst at the same time, the hierarchy, both the Vatican, as we said with
00:51:06.740the National Invaders Week, I love your phrase, I'm going to use it, and the Anglican, everything
00:51:13.860they do, they are growing further away, they are growing softer, they are growing more spoiled,
00:51:19.440They are growing more detached from Christian teaching, even as I understand them.
00:51:24.940And this is going to come to a head eventually.
00:51:28.920Jenny, I'll tell you how I answer it, how Padre de Peo integrates into the normal narrative of this.