Bannon's War Room - September 28, 2026


WarRoom Battleground EP 1095: 'America's Association Of Hireling Shepherds' Wants You To Know How Much It Hates You

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00:00:00 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23 It's going to happen.
00:00:24 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27 Mega Media.
00:00:28 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:48 hanwell here at the helm on steve bannon's war room later on in the show we'll be just talking
00:01:02 a little bit about the life of padre pia saint pio di pietra little china a great saint fascinating
00:01:10 story cabochon fire who had the stigmata and his uh the stories of his miraculous
00:01:20 intercessions both when he was alive and after his death are film many many volumes i think
00:01:29 everyone's got their favorite padre pio miracle i'll be telling what mine is um in about 35
00:01:37 minutes time as Jenny Holland views very potted history the life and times of Padre Pio first
00:01:48 up however the rest of the show has the unifying theme of this is how much your betters your your
00:01:59 social betters hate you first we'll do this in the sphere of the Catholic Church and then we'll
00:02:06 We'll enter with Frank and then we'll enter the political arena with Jenny.
00:02:10 OK, so this week, apparently, folks, is what is billed as National Migration Week, NMW.
00:02:23 And the American Association of Hiring Shepherds is going all in, as it does every year on this.
00:02:31 we're told to um to to learn the acronym acronym of this national migration reach as n to refer to
00:02:40 it colloquially as nmw folks um as far as i'm concerned nmw stands for not on my watch um
00:02:52 frank do you have in the um in the walker household have you put your tinsel up yet
00:02:58 to celebrate National Invader Week?
00:03:01 How are you celebrating National Invader Week this year? 0.93
00:03:06 Not an invader, Migration Week, okay?
00:03:09 Because every migrant is Jesus.
00:03:13 Every migrant is Jesus because Jesus said that welcome the stranger.
00:03:19 So they don't change their rhetoric too much.
00:03:23 They don't change their tactics.
00:03:24 They always referred to Mother Cabrini, who back in the 19th, you know, the last turn of the century, took care of legal immigrants who were brought in here by law from Europe, not who flooded in under the radar, picked up by all the cartels and all the children stolen and abused.
00:03:45 No, it was a different situation, but for the bishops and for Leo, because this is also Leo's worldwide migration week starting kicking off on, I think, Thursday at the end of this week, everyone is Jesus.
00:04:02 And it's also about children, the children migration, because Jesus said, let the children come to me, which means let the abandoned children of illegal aliens escape through government NGOs and Catholic charities into the hands of cartels.
00:04:23 That's what let the little children come to me means when Jesus said that in the Bible.
00:04:28 According to Leo and the bishops, it's also, you know, nicely timed for the midterms, of course.
00:04:36 So the bishops here and Leo are turning out everything that they can.
00:04:40 Leo says they are concrete faces, these children, who have unique stories and call on our conscience.
00:04:46 Every year, millions of children and adolescents are forced to leave their homeland because of war, poverty, violence, environmental disaster.
00:04:52 and other tragedies. Their numbers continue to grow sadly. So Trump is so bad, and the deportations
00:05:00 are so terrible, and Leo and his bishops want you to know that. The only problem is that Catholic 1.00
00:05:06 charities of the Rio Grande just a couple years ago have been given a six-year suspension on
00:05:12 getting government funding, and Sister Pimentel, or I call her that, Sister Pimentel, used to have
00:05:18 pictures of her surrounded by the children just like jesus meanwhile more than half of the um 0.88
00:05:25 the people that they she has claimed to serve in her terrible auditing don't don't even exist on
00:05:31 the dhs records on the government records so where are they coming from and the and the the tactics
00:05:37 that they used for entry and exit really dovetail well with the cartels and smugglers and so it just
00:05:44 can i tell you who else doesn't exist right let me tell you who else doesn't exist absolutely
00:05:51 invisible american taxpayers they don't exist they're nowhere to be seen in the thoughts and
00:05:58 considerations of the american association of hiring shepherds not a reference to
00:06:04 this campaign will work then you don't think the campaign will affect the people
00:06:09 it will work with the people it normally works with right and with the people who have switched
00:06:17 off and tuned out and now see the hoax and the charade for what it is and hopefully it will
00:06:23 cement them in the courage necessary to bring down the this this gaggle of usurpers um and do
00:06:32 what we say every week on this show which is for the catholic laity it's the only way out of this
00:06:36 folks, for the Catholic laity to take the running of this church out of the hands of
00:06:44 the hireling shepherds, cause correction, and then decide at some future point. 0.98
00:06:52 Yeah, I'm all for it.
00:06:54 You know, Ben, Ken Paxson, who's running for Senate, has sued the Catholic charities in 0.57
00:07:00 the Rio Grande Valley and saying that they're keeping stash houses of illegals and engage
00:07:05 human smuggling and facilitate illegal entry of migrants. And also there was a subcommittee just
00:07:12 at the beginning of this month where they had an expert on guarding against trafficking. And she
00:07:18 said during the prior administration, I would say lots of the NGOs that were granted millions and
00:07:23 billions of dollars in awards and mishandled these programs lost hundreds of thousands of children
00:07:27 and profited greatly. I mean, these are lives of children that are taken in by the cartels.
00:07:33 They even like coordinate with them with pamphlets. Catholic charities, half of the people that they use are not even part of the system, but their locks and keys are coordinated with the cartels.
00:07:46 And even the organ-donating Chinese organ-harvesting cartels are also listed in this report.
00:07:54 From time to time, it does make it out into the press, not often, not as often as it should be,
00:08:00 because the press is basically regime media in Italy as it is in America, as it is in the UK,
00:08:10 and they tow the regime line, but occasionally it breaks out
00:08:14 that the Catholic Church is actively, the institutional Catholic Church,
00:08:19 via the welcome, the accolienza, that they are complicit,
00:08:26 absolutely proactively complicit for many, for taxpayer euros
00:08:31 in human trafficking under the guise of welcoming the migrant 0.51
00:08:40 And it's a hoax. But one thing that I appreciated, Frank, in your analysis of this is just how all in and how invested the institutional Catholic Church is in keeping the invasion going. 0.78
00:08:56 And the reason for this, as you were saying, it's all to do with money and to get some people to fill out the threadbare abandoned pews with some pretty savvy invaders who understand how to play the game. 0.55
00:09:13 They've got to pretend to play the Christian game that they're fleeing persecution in their home country. 0.92
00:09:23 We'll dig into this later. 0.75
00:09:25 So one thing I want to say before we move on,
00:09:29 and I'll say the issues are the same
00:09:31 from what we're talking about here
00:09:33 with National Invasion Week
00:09:35 with the stories that Jenny's going to talk about
00:09:40 and the third story, Frank,
00:09:46 that you're going to talk about.
00:09:47 It's the elites hate us.
00:09:50 That's the running theme here.
00:09:52 They really hate us.
00:09:55 Let's just, while I have like two minutes left,
00:09:57 I want to make this point.
00:09:59 And it comes back in the point that you're going to do
00:10:04 about the rise of the inverted commas far right in the UK
00:10:09 and the use of Christian imagery.
00:10:14 There is a substitution.
00:10:16 It's like the bait and switch,
00:10:19 like the hazelnut shell game here,
00:10:21 the walnut shell game with the P.
00:10:24 they do this very quickly unless you stop freeze frame say stop hold on a minute they do this so
00:10:32 quick is it bombards you bombards the senses and one is unable to fight back the bait and switch
00:10:40 here is oh this is the the one of the most most appalling aspects of the invasion um and the fact 0.94
00:10:51 that it's sort of being pushed by the catholic church that's being done in the name of god in
00:10:56 the name of jesus in the name of the gospel the um pope leo has chosen the text from matthew 18
00:11:04 5 even just one of these children that is to say whoever welcomes one such child in my name
00:11:13 welcomes me so what what what am i talking about the walnut shell game here there's no argument
00:11:20 about welcoming right i think believing christians have demonstrated themselves over the past 2 000
00:11:28 years of human history to be the most welcoming adherence on the face of the planet the issue
00:11:36 isn't welcoming the issue is paying right because what the human traffickers and those who make
00:11:43 their money out of the trafficking of the vulnerable people including children
00:11:48 But the shtick is when you get the invaders into the West, you are then obliged to state and where this hasn't been achieved by legislation, it's been achieved by judicial activism.
00:11:59 Once the invader is in, you then have to spend funds on education and health care and all and accommodation and feeding and the whole gamut of the welfare state is therefore necessary. 0.53
00:12:16 The issue isn't welcoming.
00:12:19 The issue is paying.
00:12:21 No one would have a problem.
00:12:22 You see, here's the thing. 0.93
00:12:23 If we scrapped the welfare state provision, right, on invaders, 0.99
00:12:29 they wouldn't come across anyway. 0.96
00:12:30 And then you'd go back to the situation that we had decades before 0.92
00:12:35 when you actually had migrants coming in legally to contribute,
00:12:40 people interested in coming in, assimilating, and contributing.
00:12:44 That's not the phenomenon we have now.
00:12:47 We have people who are invaders. 0.97
00:12:48 They are coming in as invaders to live off our foolishness. 0.96
00:12:55 So the issue here, and folks, flag this up. 0.82
00:12:58 When you're at the bar, when you're at the restaurant,
00:13:00 or at the table, and someone bombards you saying,
00:13:03 oh, we know how can you be a Christian
00:13:04 if you're against welcoming the vulnerable?
00:13:07 The issue isn't welcoming.
00:13:08 The issue is paying for.
00:13:12 And in America, south of the border,
00:13:14 There are hundreds of millions of people from various third world countries
00:13:18 who would love to come across, who are coming across the border,
00:13:21 the southern border, and expecting to live free on your dime.
00:13:25 Same thing here in continental Europe.
00:13:28 A billion people in Africa would love to come across, 1.00
00:13:33 and they are coming across into Europe to live on the European taxpayer euro. 0.93
00:13:38 So unless your position is anybody who wants to, which is, by the way, the Catholic Church's position, anyone who wants to come in, you have a human right to invade another country and for them to pay for you.
00:13:52 That is your human God-given right. So do so and we'll pay for you and we'll help, we'll assist this.
00:13:58 Unless that is your position, you are going to have to say no at some point. Are you going to say no now?
00:14:07 Are you going to say no when a million people have come in
00:14:09 and brought the system to bankruptcy and social collapse?
00:14:14 Are you going to say no when 10 million people come in
00:14:17 and you're in Camp of the Saints territory?
00:14:19 Where are you going to say no?
00:14:21 If you're going to say no, be prudential about it.
00:14:25 That's the point.
00:14:25 It's not about welcoming.
00:14:27 The issue isn't about welcoming.
00:14:29 It's not about saying we refuse to recognize Jesus Christ
00:14:33 in the face of the poor and the vulnerable.
00:14:34 The issue is a prudential issue of paying for, and if you don't give every penny that you have in your pocket to a homeless person as you're walking by, because you prudentially decide you can spend that money on other just uncharitable causes, the state has no right to take that taxpayer dollar from you, forcibly, throwing you in prison if you refuse to do it, and to give it to the poor people you refuse to do to.
00:15:04 that is not an exercise of charity all right look i'm sorry to stay on this point it is absolutely
00:15:10 essential for the um for the defense of the judeo-christian west that we christians in public
00:15:18 life um encourage the faithful um to have that spine put back in their back so they can stand
00:15:26 up and resist and resist in christian terms with christian vocabulary what these people
00:15:32 who are not christians right are trying to foist on the faithful right okay sorry folks
00:15:40 that exposition um but this is important the defense of the judeo-christian west is at stake
00:15:47 here if there's if the um and we need to see the institutional catholic church for the enemy
00:15:52 that it is on this point all right okay um quick shout out to the show sponsor then back with
00:15:58 jenny and frank in just one quick moment uh birch gold group all you know for the last month we've
00:16:05 been pointing out now that the national debt in the united states is now at 4 40 trillion dollars
00:16:12 with the annualized interest rate repayments at 1.2 trillion dollars huge amount of money there
00:16:21 which is more than America is spending even on defense,
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00:16:33 This article here you see in front of you on the screen,
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00:17:16 the the requirements on the national debt um and that means if you have dollar savings those are
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00:18:19 some good news now coming out of oregon um a christian widow a mother a widow who had five
00:18:29 children of her own put up for wanted the license to be able to adopt and i'm guessing she answered
00:18:37 the questionnaire that had asked certain questions like would you encourage your children to to
00:18:42 transition would you take them to gay pride uh marches all of which she quite correctly and 0.77
00:18:49 courageously said no and oregon turned around said well in that case we're not going to put out any
00:18:54 children to you and she took the state of oregon to court um i think there was an intervening
00:19:04 district court judgment that in her favor now my reading of this journey is that this it didn't
00:19:11 this has resolved i i it appears to me in some kind of court supervised out of court settlement
00:19:20 that is i don't think the judge formally ruled i don't think it was pushed for for the judge to
00:19:26 formally rule in her favor um which would have set the judicial precedent um which would have
00:19:34 been useful oregon backed down this is my reading of this oregon had backed down before that took
00:19:39 place um and and they're backing down even agreeing to paying all of her legal fees
00:19:47 is is only to her it is a concession only to her and not to all christian parents on this situation
00:19:55 But I know, Jenny, you're following this quite a lot. It's still good news, right? It's still something that can be built on in the future when Christian parents, actively Christian, are being turned away from adoption because of the coherence to the faith.
00:20:14 It's not, the state doesn't have a lockdown on this, on the inevitability.
00:20:18 Yeah. Well, before we get into the details of the specific foster mother or prospective adoptive mother in Oregon, it's important to note that the Trump administration has really put its shoulder to the wheel on this case specifically.
00:20:36 And last September, in September 2025, one of the undersecretaries or deputy secretaries of the Administration for Children and Families, so part of the DHS, the Trump administration's DHS, sorry, DHS, Health and Human Services,
00:20:56 wrote to Oregon notifying it that it would begin an investigation into its policies of not letting basically Christian parents adopt and foster children in need
00:21:12 because of their refusal to uphold their respect, accept, and support sort of doctrine,
00:21:21 which included gender ideology and sexual orientation, as well as socioeconomic status
00:21:27 and race and spiritual beliefs, the whole bundle of woke identitarianism.
00:21:35 So Oregon was notified last year that it would be under investigation because of this policy.
00:21:41 It was told explicitly that millions of dollars of federal funding were on the line, and this was triggered by this woman's case specifically.
00:21:52 And yes, as you said, she's a widow with five children who wanted to adopt two children under nine.
00:22:00 And when asked about, as a hypothetical, would she agree to give children gender-affirming drugs, i.e. puberty blockers, medication that has been shown to sterilize young teens, essentially.
00:22:18 and would she sort of encourage them in their delusions that they were born in the wrong body, as they like to say,
00:22:27 and did she support the LGBTQ plus agenda?
00:22:32 She, according to her conscience, said no.
00:22:36 So I read it differently, actually, and I think it might still be unclear as to whether or not this applies just to her
00:22:47 or to all prospective parents, adoptive parents in Oregon.
00:22:52 I have read that it is, the whole clause is to be taken out
00:22:57 involving all the identities, including the gender dysphoria identity.
00:23:03 But I think that's something that needs to be kept an eye on
00:23:05 because it's not, I don't know if it's exactly clear yet.
00:23:10 But so it was absolutely a win for her.
00:23:12 Of course, the state of Oregon still has a carve out
00:23:15 in which it can still match parents to children who have gender dysphoria, so they can still
00:23:22 choose, select a gender-affirming family over a gender realism family, and so there's plenty
00:23:31 of workarounds, but it's really, really, really important to note for this audience in particular,
00:23:37 how many weeks are we away from the midterms? This is precisely the kind of thing, the kind
00:23:44 of incredibly important issue in which the Trump administration has absolutely moved the needle
00:23:52 and is really the only game in town. There is no alternative. And I will say this until I'm blue
00:23:59 in the face. I will go down with any ship on this because there is no one else coming to save us
00:24:05 other than this administration. So if you care about children having their lives destroyed
00:24:12 by deranged zealot social workers who believe that sterilizing children is a medical cure
00:24:20 for some made-up mental condition, then you really need to go out there in the midterms
00:24:29 and support your local Republican candidates.
00:24:32 Sorry to turn this into a party political platform.
00:24:35 No, no, no, Jenny.
00:24:36 No, you took away the point I had actually wanted to make on this,
00:24:42 and I haven't really got time to come up with a different point.
00:24:46 But that is absolutely it.
00:24:47 No, no, the point is absolutely it.
00:24:50 That's why the midterms are so important.
00:24:53 And everybody, right, I'm sure the four of us, everyone at home,
00:24:58 we all have things, pet bugbears,
00:25:02 that this administration has done that we really think it ought not have done.
00:25:05 um but when push comes to shove as you illustrate here that is why it's so important um the the
00:25:14 are so important can i just say i will add to what you said quickly yeah sorry yeah yeah of course
00:25:20 let me say this and then i'll give you the closing minute um this is how but this this is
00:25:27 the illustration of of how badly your elites hate you that as the alliance defending freedom which
00:25:35 was the organization that represented this mother and Jessica Bates pointed out in its statement
00:25:41 Oregon's dangerous gender ideology to young kids um about forcing them to take parents to take them 0.77
00:25:49 to parades um when Christians parents refuse to that that's that the state considers them unfit
00:25:58 to be parents that is the blowout point here right the state of oregon considers believing
00:26:05 christians fundamentally to be unfit parents look you've got 45 seconds the and it's not just
00:26:11 christians there was a case in oregon in 2024 where a 15 year old was taken from custody from
00:26:17 her parents home because her mother showed her videos arguing against gender ideology
00:26:23 The girl's therapist reported her to the social services, and the following day, upon this action of the therapist, the child was removed from the custody of the parents and has not been returned to their custody.
00:26:38 This is an incredibly serious issue.
00:26:42 No state is safe.
00:26:43 These similar things have happened in Montana and red states.
00:26:46 And really, the only party, the only political movement sticking up for parents' rights is MAGA.
00:26:56 Back with Jenny Holland and Frank Walker in two minutes after this quick commercial break.
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00:31:55 on to this piece that we wanted to hit last week with frank um but the time we we if you remember
00:32:02 we swallowed the whole of the um the first half half of the show on a separate story the daily
00:32:08 telegraph in the uk which is normally i suppose this is the case of the mask slipping the daily
00:32:15 telegraph is normally quite a reliable um anti-woke newspaper jenny i'm sure you'll agree in as far as
00:32:23 you can talk about any british main exemplar of the mainstream press in the uk as being um
00:32:31 anti-woke the telegraph would would traditionally have always held that that that that role
00:32:38 They have an article, however, you know, let's put this in the category of the mask slips.
00:32:44 They have this article out, Pearl Clutching, saying that the far right is seizing on Christianity for moral cover.
00:32:56 And it's a deconstruction as far as they attempt to do that, specifically picking on Tommy Robinson and the carol service that he did.
00:33:08 in the uk frank walker um you know something that we try whenever we can on the war room which is
00:33:19 to nudge the debate towards certainly believing christians both evangelicals and catholics who
00:33:27 follow this show to nudge them as we can towards the um christian nationalist movement um that's
00:33:37 the movement that's in the crosshairs of the the uk mainstream media and it's pretty clear
00:33:44 that the type of you know when they were the opening of the article frank walker is that the
00:33:50 misty-eyed references to the carol services that take place 50 000 or so of them um each year in
00:33:58 the in the uk that's what they want they want carol services mince pies um and they basically want
00:34:05 a cultural christianity where the rubber never hits the road and the idea of someone like
00:34:14 tommy robinson who by all accounts had some conversion or reversion public conversion
00:34:23 experience in prison when he was put in prison for a year and a half by the way by the way for
00:34:28 contempt of court i hope you see my my my scare quotes on that contempt of court they put tommy
00:34:34 robinson in prison for i think on an 18 month sentence that time and they tried to shut him
00:34:40 down before by sending him to prison and this time um he uh was clearly preached to heard the gospel
00:34:51 and was converted and he said he says in the organization of the carol service um last
00:35:00 christmas it wasn't a political event he didn't want it to be a political event he wanted it to
00:35:04 be a christian event well of course the reason being uh quite correctly is that tommy robinson
00:35:10 and he was sincere in that i think he he kept the politics out of it but he realizes that for
00:35:15 um as few people in the uk do realize he realizes now that the successful defense of the uk has a
00:35:24 spiritual that is a religious dimension to it and part of that therefore when our opposition
00:35:31 our religious opposition, Islam, clearly knows that it is fighting a religious war and understands what it's about. 0.93
00:35:38 Tommy Robinson realises, well, if we're going to have a chance of fighting back, 0.99
00:35:43 we also need to realise on our side what this is about.
00:35:47 And that's obviously what the regime doesn't want people to be thinking about.
00:35:52 Frank Walker, break down, if you wouldn't mind, the arguments in the UK press on this one
00:35:57 against tommy robinson and christian nationalism and the the use of christian imagery um in the
00:36:06 defense of christendom i remember when they were putting tommy robinson in jail and he looked
00:36:13 terrified for his life so i'm not surprised he had a conversion experience he's one of the most
00:36:19 hard-hitting people on X. His tweets are fantastic. So I think he's a brilliant leader
00:36:27 for this cause. And this piece here at the Holy Telegraph, the first person, Reverend Helen
00:36:36 Painter, she paints him as being sincere. And he did have a small rally, a Christian rally that was
00:36:43 not supposed to be religious, but it's grown. It's taken on a movement, and people responded
00:36:50 to it. So in a sincere love for the Christian religion, the followers of Tommy Robinson have
00:36:57 come together, and the most interesting thing that they mention is that they, and when you
00:37:01 see them at their rallies, they wear paramilitary-style uniforms and big crosses around their necks.
00:37:07 So they don't have a huge sense of Christian doctrine or Christian training, but they're sort of acting on instinct.
00:37:17 And the fascinating thing to me here is that they've been deprived of this, this aspect, this militant aspect of Catholic faith and manly love for your country and for your family and for your neighborhood and the people that you love.
00:37:35 this has been erased from the race of the human race. It's been taken away. And you can see that
00:37:41 in the response of the so-called experts, Tommy Robinson. Some of them say they sneer at him.
00:37:49 Some of them say, well, he's just ignorant or he's just political. And this has been going on 0.99
00:37:54 for a long, long time. But when they finally get to the right reverend, Rose Hudson Wilkin,
00:38:02 the Bishop of Dover, she really is angry. She's like, how many of them go to church and worship?
00:38:08 How many of them have the guts to shout loudly that the Lord has risen? So the institutional
00:38:13 church, and they're like, they don't even go to church. The institutional church is the enemy
00:38:18 of Tavi Robinson and these crusaders, this crusader aspect, this manly love of country,
00:38:25 This this idea of sacrifice is manifesting in the UK.
00:38:30 I know I know, you know, Ben, you're a Brit and Jen, you're in Northern Ireland.
00:38:34 You live this every day. You see how it's happening.
00:38:37 These these people want to defend their their God.
00:38:41 You know, we have a right to God. We have a right to religion.
00:38:44 They sneer at him as being using his religion as a as this some some kind of fake thing, just giving them cover.
00:38:50 But it's something that he truly believes.
00:38:53 And the people that are following him, they believe in Christianity, they want to follow, but they have no church.
00:38:59 You know, it reminds me of St. Joan of Arc.
00:39:01 She had her men go to confession every morning before they would go and fight.
00:39:06 And she was victorious that way through the sacraments and the love of a church.
00:39:11 And that's exactly what these men need.
00:39:14 They're ready to fight.
00:39:15 They just need actual, I'd say, actual Catholics in there praying with them and priests praying with them and giving them the sacraments and forgiving their sins. 0.89
00:39:25 And they'll be like, OK, I'm ready to take care of business because I know I'm going to go to heaven. 0.96
00:39:30 That's the kind of thing that's really missing.
00:39:34 So you've got these Carol concerts as the Daily Telegraph.
00:39:38 I think you called it the Holy Telegraph, which is quite cute in your analysis.
00:39:44 You've got the thousand or so, 20-year-old men in balaclavas
00:39:49 and paramilitary uniforms and crosses around their neck out there
00:39:53 singing Once in Royal David City and all the rest of it.
00:39:57 Tell me something.
00:39:58 Do you get in the States, do you get the Vicar of Dibley?
00:40:01 Do you know who the Vicar of Dibley is?
00:40:02 Is that something you get on television?
00:40:04 All right.
00:40:05 No, I'm good with that.
00:40:07 I won't.
00:40:08 Then you're blessed for that if you don't get that.
00:40:11 um and then that'll save me from from the anecdote i was going to give i'll just say this to jenny
00:40:17 you tell me jenny i don't think whether these 20 year old power sort of pseudo power militaries
00:40:22 in balaclavas are going to be converted by dawn french type uh bishops um with the bishop
00:40:32 the bid the bishopesses that's just that's not that's that she's sort of hiding to nothing there
00:40:39 That's not going to do the trick. This is the problem with the Church of England, the Anglican Highling Shepherds and Catholic Highling Shepherds for the last 50 or 60 years, having abandoned Christian doctrine in the public square and substituted it for pseudo-Marxist platitudes, people have just switched off.
00:41:00 And when you get to the second or third generation of Brits who have no experience of Christianity whatsoever, as Frank was saying, they might not be formed in Christian theology, but they sure as hell know what it's not.
00:41:14 and they see the pretense fake highling shepherds
00:41:18 and they dismiss them without them even opening their minds
00:41:22 because they've already said,
00:41:25 we might not have a background or tradition in our family
00:41:28 of going to Mass every Sunday.
00:41:32 We'd like that.
00:41:33 We'd like to become that.
00:41:34 We're on the path towards that.
00:41:36 But you guys, it's fine for religious figures,
00:41:42 for institutional religious figures.
00:41:44 to enter politics using Christian imagery.
00:41:47 It's not fine for the laity to do the same, right? 0.77
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00:43:39 Okay, so Jenny Holland, as we round out the show with you, September the 23rd this year is, as it is every year, the liturgical feast day of Padre Pio.
00:43:54 And I say this to our Protestant brothers and sisters who are following the show today, in the Catholic world, in the Catholic sphere, Padre Pio is so well known, even though he has now been canonized as Saint Pio of Pietrelcina, he's simply known still to this day as Padre Pio, or even among certain old Italians as Saint Padre Pio.
00:44:24 Um, Jenny Holland, um, tell us a bit, look, tell us a bit about Padre Pio.
00:44:30 And I will just tell you my favorite miracle of his when he was still alive.
00:44:36 A young girl called Gemma, Italian girl, was born blind with no, no pupils, no, no pupils in her eyes.
00:44:44 Congenital born blind, right?
00:44:46 I think she was like seven or eight years of age.
00:44:49 Her parents took her to Padre Pio to pray for her.
00:44:54 And I think on the train back, she started to detect some shades of light on her eyes.
00:45:00 And within a few days, she could see perfectly clearly.
00:45:06 And I say this is a miracle, and I think she's alive.
00:45:10 And I think she became a religious nun as well.
00:45:13 But to this day, or to the day, if she's no longer with us,
00:45:19 for the rest of her life, she could see perfectly clearly
00:45:23 after the interaction with Padre Pio.
00:45:25 And she never had ever pupils in her eyes.
00:45:29 Not before, not afterwards.
00:45:32 There are many, Padre Pio has a life full of those type anecdotes.
00:45:40 Just tell us very quickly in the final five minutes,
00:45:43 And I say this, I do have a personal devotion to Padre de Pio.
00:45:48 Tell us a bit, if you wouldn't mind, for our Protestant brothers and sisters, just a little bit about this great Italian Capuchin saint.
00:46:00 Well, you know, I don't think that I'm the person best placed to give the ins and outs of his biography.
00:46:07 Obviously, you and Frank would be better placed for that.
00:46:09 But any Catholic audience member would be able to do a better job than me.
00:46:17 But what I will say about Padre Pio is this, even in my own heathen upbringing as a very secular child of liberal lefty bohemians, Padre Pio had penetrated my consciousness because in Ireland he was a hugely beloved figure.
00:46:36 So friends who had very traditional Catholic parents, they would have Padre Pio stickers on their cars and images of him in the home and stuff like that.
00:46:45 And this interesting piece, again, marking his Saints Day, gives a lot of background into just the extraordinary phenomena that surrounded him, starting out, I mean, he was from a very, very humble peasant family, early 20th century, late 19th, early 20th century childhood.
00:47:07 He served in World War I and had suffered these sort of mysterious maladies as he was training, entering into the Capuchin order.
00:47:18 He was a Capuchin, eventually became a Capuchin friar.
00:47:22 And, you know, he he he was plagued by these sort of mysterious medical problems.
00:47:29 In fact, the article says it is almost as if someone or a force did not want him to join a religious order.
00:47:37 He then also got the stigmata and he he had these wounds, the hands, feet and inside wounds of the stigmata, I think, throughout his life.
00:47:49 Correct me if I'm wrong.
00:47:50 Um, and, you know, this scenario where we had, you know, medicine and doctors and, and nothing could ever really be fully explained, um, in any, in any material, uh, with any material explanation.
00:48:01 Now, I think what matters to today, to 2026, given all the things, the topics we've covered today, the Oregon social workers, the Church of England sneering at the religious devotion of young militant working class men.
00:48:21 And, you know, one of the most confounding and exceptional things about Catholicism in particular is that its sense of mystery and its miracles and also the idea of suffering.
00:48:39 This is the most sort of jarring part. For me personally, when I read about early Christianity specifically, I struggle with how this facet, which is foundational, it's not an element, it is the foundation of the Christian story as a whole, the suffering, not just of Jesus, but of his followers, and how this fits into the modern world, where our physical reality is incredibly comfortable.
00:49:09 Obviously, our moral, our spiritual, our emotional, our psychological condition is quite poor.
00:49:16 But as a whole, we have running water, we have central heating, we have comfortable clothes, we mostly have enough to eat.
00:49:23 We are not being put through the torments of the early saints.
00:49:28 And Padre Pio has a lot of the—I mean, obviously not to the extent of some of the really early Christians, but he suffered throughout his life.
00:49:36 This is the thing that certainly the Christian hierarchy, both Catholic and Anglican, has completely lost, this idea of suffering for your faith.
00:49:47 I personally don't know how to process that.
00:49:52 Both of you are in a better place to give your thoughts on that.
00:49:55 But that idea actually has, I think, growing appeal, especially amongst young men, people like Tommy Robinson, who is very much has the makings of a martyr.
00:50:07 Unfortunately, I hate to say that because I don't want him to suffer.
00:50:11 But, you know, he has he has suffered truly for his his beliefs in his in his nation.
00:50:17 He's a prison. He had to go into isolation because he was in danger from the rest of the prison population.
00:50:23 And he has endured these torments, but most of us haven't. I don't know how to, I don't know how this fits with our normal topics of conversation on this show, because in, you know, but I do know that the, that hard element, the hard Christianity, the hard line, the hard sort of manly, as Frank was saying, 0.59
00:50:53 defense of the realm, defense of the nation, defense of the family, that is growing in urgency
00:51:00 and importance, whilst at the same time, the hierarchy, both the Vatican, as we said with
00:51:06 the National Invaders Week, I love your phrase, I'm going to use it, and the Anglican, everything
00:51:13 they do, they are growing further away, they are growing softer, they are growing more spoiled,
00:51:19 They are growing more detached from Christian teaching, even as I understand them.
00:51:24 And this is going to come to a head eventually.
00:51:28 Jenny, I'll tell you how I answer it, how Padre de Peo integrates into the normal narrative of this.
00:51:36 We're in a spiritual war.
00:51:39 And the very fullness of the traditional Catholic faith, I think, illustrated its truth here in this world
00:51:47 through the visible, miraculous
00:51:49 intercessions of Padre de Pio.
00:51:52 Look, very, very quickly,
00:51:54 10 seconds each, Jenny, social media.
00:51:56 10 seconds.
00:51:58 Substack at JennyEHolland
00:52:00 on Substack.com
00:52:01 and on YouTube at Saving Culture
00:52:03 for Myself.
00:52:05 Frank Walker, 10 seconds.
00:52:08 10 to 12 and Daily Updates
00:52:09 in the right column and also at
00:52:11 Stumbling Block, Gloria TV and in Rumble.
00:52:15 Great job, guys.
00:52:16 many thanks steve back in the chair 10 a.m tomorrow and thanks to spencer at real america's voice
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