WarRoom Battleground EP 126： MAGA Turns Out In Droves In Michigan And Pennsylvania Over The Weekend; The MAGA Evengelicals And Catholics Are 'Too Hardcore' For The Mainstream
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In this episode, we have a special guest on the show, Kristine Caramo, the Democratic candidate for Secretary of State in Michigan, who is running to clean up the voter rolls and make them fair and transparent. She is running against the most lawless secretary of state in the history of the state, and the evidence is stacking against her.
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this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just
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like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is
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the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's
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your host stephen k bannon liberal democrats who are tired of the trifecta in this capital that
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is destroying our state and making life untenable for the people of michigan they are done with it
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they are done with not being served they are done with our corrupt and dishonest media that push
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democratic talking points i crack up at our quote unquote journalists who use things calling me an
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election denier now where did that talking point come from the only thing i'm denying is that jocelyn
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benson knows how to run a clean election she is the most lawless secretary of state in michigan's history
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as a matter of fact the judge just ruled against her because jocelyn benson does not want to clean
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dead people off the voter rolls now answer me this why wouldn't she want to clean dead people off the
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voter rolls it's clear because she wants to defraud the people of michigan of our voice
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she wants to defraud of our voice and it is a national security threat which she's up to and
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i'm not backing down from that point no matter how many people ask me to
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you know what's interesting i was talking to folks in detroit a couple weeks ago and they were sharing with
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me how they had friends these are democrats who showed up to the polls and were told they had
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already voted absentee so it's not just us it's not just the gop it's michigan who's tired of it
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and it's also how she's failed us regarding our branch offices which is a quality of life issue
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we pay way too much in the branch offices way too much for our sos services when you look at how much
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money that the secretary of state actually brings in and what they actually keep to run the department
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what they bring in only seven percent is needed to run the department based on how much revenue they
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bring in only seven percent of that 2.9 billion dollars but yet they want to constantly justify
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increasing fees to go blow it on progress from the degrees the palms of their friends we are done
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okay welcome you're in the war room monday 29 august year of our lord 2022
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that is uh i think gateway pundit calls her savage angel yesterday in michigan let's bring in christine
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caramo she's running for secretary of state uh pretty on fire christina tell us uh tell us the
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point that you are trying to make about your opponent who i still think refuses to debate you is that
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correct well we shall see it it seems as though she's trying to get me to go on some talking show
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probably so she can set the stage for herself to lie the thing about it is jocelyn benson is the
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most lawless secretary of state in the history of michigan that even democrats are tired of her as well
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because it is an attack on our national security is the attack on the control that we the people have
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over our government and the evidence is just stacking against her a judge just ruled last week
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against her when she was trying to convince a judge to drop a case that was going against her for
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her refusal to clean dead people off the voter rolls i mean this is common sense why does she want to
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keep dead people on the voter rolls she wants to bloat the boat voter rolls so they can operate those
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ballot muleing operations this is what i strongly believe based on the evidence that we have seen
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we have surveillance footage of individuals signing multiple ballots and then those same individuals
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going to drop multiple ballots inside ballot drop boxes this is an attack on our election system
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it's attack on the people of the state correct me if i'm wrong but aren't it looks like the from the
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polling independents and democrats agree with you that they want this all cleaned up they want fair
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and transparent there's a number of working class democrats particularly in detroit that want fair
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elections and don't want republicans trying to pull this nonsense so they want first off they want
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the voter rolls cleaned up they want a lot more transparency i mean isn't this a bipartisan issue right now
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it really is a bipartisan issue i was talking with democrats who tell me that they won't even vote
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absentee because they don't trust the process there's no apps there's no security of how your
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absentee ballot is being handled from the point you cast it till it arrives at the clerk's office to it
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being tabulated anything could occur there's a suburb by detroit where i was informed that when these
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individuals from the clerk's office were coming to the local post office to pick up absentee ballots
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they didn't have to provide any type of credential they didn't have to show any id just it just came
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said where they were from pick up the ballots and that was that this is not a partisan issue and
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you're right steve these kitchen table issues that people care about like ensuring that we actually
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have control over our government democrats do agree with this on you know what's so funny i was watching
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a clip from joe rogan who said vote republican joe rogan is not a republican but it's just that the
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democratic party who's been co-opted by marxists has totally ran our country into the ground they're
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intentionally trying to destroy our country and many true liberals are waking up and seeing what these
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people are about a lot of the social issues we disagree with they want to talk about later i just
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want to be able to ensure that i actually have a say in my government i want to be able to ensure
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that i actually can put my kids in school and pay for gas pay for food these basic issues that people
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care about and so we're going to see a massive victory come november a referendum on the craziness
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of the biden whitmer benson nestle administration we see here in michigan so we will be successful because
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at the end of the day people want problem solved they don't care what party you're from they want
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problem solved and those are the people who will vote for me come november
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do you think is there any three people that are more radical than the the than the democratic
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governor attorney general and secretary of state in any state and i include california in that
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is that the three most radical democrats running a state in this union ma'am
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well yes here's why steve number one our attorney general dana nestle claimed that i was engaging in
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a felony and could be criminally charged we have this on camera so it's not like when we say these
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things about these women we're just shouting things out or making claims my opponent has falsely
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claimed that armed protesters showed up at her home she falsely claimed that president trump wanted her
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to potentially be executed she has been caught multiple times lying about a variety of things and
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this shows us when you have people and the administrator and the executive branch who are calling for
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citizens to be criminally charged and benson echoes dana nestle's points that people should be criminally
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charged that it's voter suppression to point out her corruption this is what's going on you look at
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gretchen whitmer gretchen whitmer has blood on her hands she not only put covet patients in nursing homes
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but she also denied people life-saving medical treatment because it was politically advantageous for
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her to do so these people do not care about anybody and what the democrats are running on in this in
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this election is they're just fixated on abortion as though somehow that is the number one issue in
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our country i am pro-life conception till natural death however even amongst even pro-choice groups
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and voting blocs they still want to be able to feed their kids and be able to provide for their
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families on a basic level and as a matter of fact in michigan right now they're trying to push
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on in our state's constitution changes to our elections that will allow nine days of early in-person
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voting private money in elections when i speak with democrats the concept of private money in our
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elections terrifies people because you will be able to bribe folks if that's what they want to do
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permanent ballot drop boxes putting in our constitution getting away rid of voting id laws
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and as i talk to people and i know i keep injecting the point of talking to democrats so people can
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clearly understand these are just common sense issues nobody i know can understand why an adult wouldn't
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have an id and as a matter of fact as i've pointed out if you have large swaths of the population
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who do not have an id it is a job of the secretary of state to ensure people have ids i talked with
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someone who has experienced a couple of people who have known of non-citizens who've been registered
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to vote three people i've talked to regarding this three within the last i would say two weeks
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so this is a massive issue and these individuals do not want to fix it they're george soros puppets
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and their goal is to run michigan into the ground that's what their objective is i mean our attorney
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general said she wants a drag queen in every school i mean this is what these people are on to
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so you know in michigan we're going to see a massive referendum and we just have to make sure that we
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hear the gop get our act together and make sure that we're successful in november well let's talk
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about that for a second because all this discussion about the gop uh across the board not just in
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michigan but the establishment's not there for grassroots candidates that uh particularly candidates
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like yourself that have really bootstrapped your way up are not part of the club that they're they're
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just not interested in can you get us up to date on exactly where we are in the campaign and and where
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do you stand against uh benson and uh and how how are you going to run this thing because you are
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you're an inspiration for the entire country yeah you know what steve we have close to 1500 volunteers
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statewide we have so many people joining our campaign joining our movement to make sure that we're
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successful in november because we understand that we have to have honest servant leadership
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in our state to be successful the thing about it is the people who are occupying many of these spaces
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and power with various elected officials and especially in our executive branch it's not that
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these jobs are so complicated or so complex these people are just corrupt we have a criminal cartel
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but in our state that's what's going on and to your point we have talked to so many everyday people
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people across political affiliations who are supporting our campaign because they
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want just someone to do the right thing and so there are people who carry the title republican
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who just simply will not support me because like you said i'm not part of the club they don't they're
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not in this for the people of the state they're in this for themselves they're in this for their name
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they're in for power for money everything that makes politics toxic that's what they're in it for
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and we're just not about that we're about honest leadership we're about honestly taking back our state for the
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benefit of the people of michigan and not just our campaign but we're seeing so many people
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across the state everyday citizens who are running for office who are getting involved for the first
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time and this is what will make us successful so yeah we definitely need people support across
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america to help our campaign especially if you're in michigan please volunteer if you're even out
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state hey contribute because michigan is a battleground state this is why george soros and his secretary of
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state project intentionally targeted michigan my opponent is not even from michigan she's from
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pennsylvania she used to work for the southern poverty law center that tells you what she's about
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she wrote a book about the secretary of state's office and can't even do the job because she
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intentionally was placed in that office to corrupt the election system to defraud the people of
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michigan of their voice as i said in the speech i gave there was someone who shared with me that they
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had a friend who went to go vote these are democrats went to go vote in person and was told they already
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voted absentee i've heard that story multiple times across the state and so this is happening in
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elections everything down from 2020 down the city elections were having issues midterm elections were having
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issues we're seeing issues already with vincent what appears to be bloating the voter rolls
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so this is something that we have to take back and we will be successful
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give me a second give me a minute on this on your concept of servant leadership
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she's trying to paint you in the mainstream media msmbc is trying to paint you as a wild-eyed
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christian nationalist ma'am uh your response you know the thing about it is i am always going to be a
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follower of jesus christ i will not apologize for that you know steve to your point you know as a
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fellow christian these people were up against our seculars that's what they want they want a society
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absent of god i mean what kind of people advocate for abortion until birth that's something we're up
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against in michigan in the november election that they have a constitutional amendment where they want
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to legalize abortion up until birth and remove parental consent which opens the door for all types of
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other horrible things to happen to our children this is what seculars are about they want a society
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absent of god so when you have people such as myself and you and other people across america i know they
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said the same thing about doug mastriano in uh pennsylvania so when you are a christian and you are
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unapologetically a christian and you're running for public office these people want you gone because
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they have a hard time imposing their secularist agenda with you standing there and so they'd rather
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get on issues like my objections to darwinian evolution yes i have objections to darwinian evolution
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we can have a conversation about that but it has nothing to do with the secretary of state's office
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so they'd rather focus on all these other things that i've talked about on my christian podcast
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instead of talking about the office for secretary of state because they know if we talk about the
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issues toe for toe this is going to lose because she there is evidence this isn't just me saying
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things or making claims there's evidence of her being a corrupt and lawless individual but instead
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they rather distract on the fact that i'm a christian because this is part of a larger agenda
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to purge christians from society to make us so obsolete that not only do we not serve in public
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office and if there's a remnant of christians left we won't even speak about our faith and
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we're going to fight back i will never apologize for being a follower of christ and these people just
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need to go pound sand because we're not going anywhere and in fact we're going to grow our ranks
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uh can we uh can you give us your social media and how do people find out more about you and more
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about your campaign yeah christinacaramo.com we definitely need your financial support the thing
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about it is these people they are fixated on corrupting our election system and i would say
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that the secretary of state's race is the most important state important race in america because
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it's the only way that we the people maintain control of our government our elections is the
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heartbeat of our freedom that full heartbeat of our freedom no other way to have our freedom but
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our election system so please support us christinacaramo.com and we will be victorious in november
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and we will take back this day for all the people even those who don't like me
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christina thank you very much honored to have you on here thank you steve
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christina cromo a michigander fighting hard up there in the state of michigan let's i tell you we
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have a cold open this amazing rally on saturday in the commonwealth of pennsylvania let's go to that
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what a huge what a huge turnout there is amazing let's bring in sam fattis now sam what was the
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group that put it on what was the purpose of it uh how big they got it looked like it got a little
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rowdy got a little rowdy for the for the record by the way steve i would say i guess i am a christian
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nationalist since i'm a christian i love my country i'll leave the wild-eyed part up to somebody else
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to decide but uh that's not much of an accusation you're a christian i i i think i i think i i think
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i i think the 30 some years you spent in defense of your country working for the intelligence services
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took out the wild-eyed part of it sam so you're so you're steely-eyed steely-eyed let's say that
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i like that one better than the wild-eyed anyway uh this patriots coalition pennsylvania patriots
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coalition that we've put together now over 100 patriot groups across the state growing in number
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every day and we put together this rally in bloomsburg to kick off what is a statewide series
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of rallies town halls door knocking events a campaign of what we call relentless pressure
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on the legislature to back up our demand that they end this crazy experiment with mail-in voting and
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drop boxes and take us back to in-person voting had it outside of bloomsburg at an equestrian center
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at least a couple of thousand people present but again this is the first of i have no idea at this
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point i've lost count myself how many rallies are coming up i'm speaking i i think five times
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in the next week and there are plenty of rallies going on that i can't make it to
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i will be out in western pennsylvania next week for several days in succession
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doing more than one rally a day as as we ripple this thing all around the state
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well i want to make sure we get the uh the the uh website because i want to make sure everybody in
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the commonwealth of pennsylvania knows this because this is how we're going to win in november here's
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what i think it's confusing and we're gonna have tony shup on here from vote pa in a second stand but
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here's what i'm confused about i i thought didn't the commonwealth court say that the mail-in ballots
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were unconstitutional now realize had to where do you actually stand is is it according to the state
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constitution the commonwealth these mail-in ballots unconstitutional you you can't do this unless you
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change the constitution where are we actually in this process
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the commonwealth court which is this kind of weird intermediate appellate court that exists in
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pennsylvania and there's no comparable thing elsewhere voted that act 77 the bill that gave us mail-in
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voting was unconstitutional then the state supreme court which is stacked with democratic party hacks
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overturned that ruling and said yeah the legislature if you do whatever it wants basically which is
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absurd you read the constitution it says evident that a pennsylvania constitution it's as clear as day
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that this change could not be made without an amendment to the constitution but who cares
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they did it anyway tony shup by the way from audit the vote was the first speaker yesterday at this
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rally she's she's everywhere she's the leader as you know i think the single biggest patriot group in
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the whole state and her folks are part of this coalition that we've got going
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so what the patriot groups now you intend to have uh these rallies throughout say are you trying to
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motivate people to get to the polls on november 8th or is the principal thing to get to the legislature
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and to try to actually get something on the books that reverses because it can't be for this election
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but reverses for afterwards the mail-in voting what what what is like your your your target set
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the immediate demand is to lean on the legislature that's going to go back into session soon
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to repeal act 77 let's keep in mind the pennsylvania gop controlled legislature gave us
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mail-in voting and drop boxes so the folks we're leaning on are the gop establishment fix it you
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made this mess clean it up uh after that obviously we are all simultaneously pushing people to vote for
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doug mastriano but where this is really going long term steve is we're taking out the middle ground
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right we're saying to to all these folks again we're talking primarily to the gop there's a line
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on the ground you either get on one side of it with us and take us back to in-person voting
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or you stand against us and if you stand against us then come next primary you're going to be looking
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for work if they don't do what we want this all builds into just getting out a big room
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and sweeping the legislature clean that's where this is going
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sam hang on for a second i want to bring tony in right now tony you were the kickoff speaker on
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on saturday i know you've got some breaking news for us but but first walk us through all these
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patriot groups coming together you've been at the forefront of this uh what are you guys trying to
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do what are you trying to accomplish here we're trying to get the state legislators to listen to the
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people that put them there and take us back to in-person voting get rid of the mass mailing ballots
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get rid of the machines we want paper ballots counted by hand one day elections it's pretty
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simple we want a free fair honest transparent elections really not that hard
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when when sam talks about the establishment the republican establishment made this happen
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uh are do you believe that they're listening to you do you believe i know that overwhelmingly you
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guys uh we have a massive grassroots movement in pennsylvania it's essentially what got president
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trump elected in 2016 and to be brutally frank it's with real votes certifiable votes it's what got
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him to win pennsylvania in 2020 uh is the republican establishment listening to you do they fear you
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guys or is this just another group of uh tea party pest that's a good question i think would have to
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what we did do is put together a report we started working more on the local level after everything got
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ripped out from under us when late last summer when they removed mastriano from the committee and the
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forensic audit changed we went on a ground level and we put together a report based on all our
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investigative canvassing efforts of things that the counties can do that don't violate the pennsylvania
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election code these are things changes they can make right now before the november midterms to help
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secure it like banning ballot drop boxes there's nothing in the law that says we have to use those in fact
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one of the counties actually went up against the aclu right before the may primary lancaster county josh
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parsons he's a county commissioner aclu sued him twice in two weeks to try to force drop boxes in the
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county and he basically told him to go pound sand and put a statement out and said we're not going to
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use them the counties can do that the counties can stick the machines in the closet there's nothing in
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the pennsylvania law that says we have to use them it's just going to take somebody with some courage
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there's going to be backlash i mean there's risks we're dealing with a weaponized government which
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i don't have to tell you or anybody that watches your show that that's what we're dealing with so
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there's a risk there but there's nothing in the law that says we can't make these changes in our
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report that's on our website auditthevotepa.com so let's talk about that you're saying you have
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action items right now that if the county regardless of what the state legislature did regardless how
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bad this is and forget the constitutionality and these big issues that of the constitution you're
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saying there's practical things that can be done that they they have the authority to do
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quite frankly the responsibility to do but that they they don't need any waivers they don't need
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any legal opinions they can these county uh supervisors overseeing the elections can take
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these actions today they absolutely can they just need a backbone because they're going to get
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pressured from the state department but if you go to our website auditthevotepa.com under the reports
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media tab we put together a very good comprehensive analysis report with every link that backs up
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everything that we're recommending the counties do they can bring the mail-in ballots back to the
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precinct level they don't have to go to the centralized tabulating center where they go right
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now they need to go back to the individual precincts and they can be counted there that's all in there
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everything about the machines banning the ballot drop boxes other recommendations it's all there and
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it's all within their jurisdiction to make that decision again they just need some courage to do it
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about this the canvas and the things you did uh with your group what would it take to expand that
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to make that statewide is there is there enough grassroots effort out there enough people to
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actually do what you guys accomplished and to really take that and and get every county in the
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state and the commonwealth to actually do this that's another good question i would like to think so
00:23:26.520
i mean we started canvassing in 20 different counties we ended up with enough volunteers to get a
00:23:30.960
sample size in 12 counties which are the results that we released on our website i would like to
00:23:35.620
think at this point we've got enough effort grassroots wise to pull that off we have specifically
00:23:41.060
recently partnered with the america project to do a get out the vote effort it's our focus from now to
00:23:45.660
november we've got to massively overwhelm the system with as many in-person votes on election day as
00:23:50.360
possible and they're going to help provide some of the funds to a digital media campaign based on the
00:23:55.280
results that we get from a canvassing get out the vote effort so that's our next move
00:23:58.960
uh sam let me bring you back in here for a second um what what uh tony's talking about
00:24:07.080
is that a practical solution since obviously you can't get the assembly to to to uh reverse its
00:24:13.860
its uh law so far on uh on the mail-in ballots themselves are her practical things at the county
00:24:20.580
level is that something that in your mind is doable now
00:24:23.360
absolutely 100 doable and another thing that with the coalition we're trying to get going statewide
00:24:31.860
i mean what happens when you look at the map steve is you will see you know we got 100 groups 100
00:24:37.560
plus groups depending on how you count across the state of pennsylvania some places we got three or
00:24:42.420
four groups in accounting some places for whatever random series of reasons we don't have a group in
00:24:47.720
county so as part of this coalition it's not just bringing together existing groups it's creating
00:24:53.380
new groups it's expanding the coalition it's you know building muscle maps if you will for this thing
00:24:58.800
so we're in the process of a lot of organizational measures that are going on behind the curtain if
00:25:06.480
you will tony is also part of those building bylaws and corporation making this patriot coalition
00:25:12.060
into something that will exist and be permanent and continue to get stronger and more powerful
00:25:18.460
because you know how pa works this is an old school you know a backroom politics kind of place
00:25:25.460
in the end the only thing they understand this is the the commonwealth of pennsylvania the
00:25:32.780
political class are the original gangsters they're the ogs okay um sam how do people get to the
00:25:39.060
your site follow you ann magazine and how they get to the coalition
00:25:42.360
for me you can go to ann magazine at substack annmagazine.substack.com but right now the
00:25:50.260
coalition the best location is unite pda.net going forward we'll build that another website but right
00:25:58.280
now that's the best single point of contact unite pa.net okay i want everybody to go there thank you so
00:26:06.300
much tony how do people how do people get to you how they get to vote pa
00:26:09.500
audit the vote pa.com is our website you can follow us on we're on every social media platform that
00:26:16.640
exists we've got a rumble channel now that we do a weekly newsroom show on thursday nights at nine
00:26:21.300
o'clock follow us volunteer support us financially if you can we appreciate it and thank you sam for
00:26:26.600
partnering with us and helping us really get the job done
00:26:28.800
tony great work too you're you're a fighter i know you do great work tony because every time i have
00:26:35.780
you're on i'll get phone calls from from the establishment business guys going how can you
00:26:40.000
have tony choupon she's a killer you're doing fantastic work and we got to do everything the
00:26:45.120
warrior wants to do everything make sure the coalition is successful as possible so thank both
00:26:48.720
you guys for the work you're doing for coming on okay short break dave bratt joe allen next in the
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2022 i want to go to dave bratt who's the dean of the business school down at liberty and and dave
00:29:21.000
normally you you join us in the morning with cortez or in the afternoon we're talking charts we're
00:29:25.420
talking federal reserve the economy but i want to bring you on i i appreciate you changing your
00:29:31.200
schedule around to join us here in the battleground but president david french people remember david
00:29:36.540
french from his very successful run for the presidency in 2016 but david french has has been right a
00:29:43.260
series of our article the other day about um this rise of christian nationalism and we had christine
00:29:49.760
karamo on here to start the show she gets they they come after her with all get you know as hard
00:29:55.680
as they possibly can when she's talking about servant leadership and i think french's big hit on the
00:30:01.600
maga movement as far as the the uh the the christian uh backing of it and the way it's resonated with
00:30:08.900
evangelicals and traditional catholics i think his criticism is that we're not kind enough is that
00:30:15.680
that they hit i see he's taken that the evangelical christians in the maga movement the traditional
00:30:21.140
catholics lack kindness that comes from president in quotes david french uh dave bratt your your thoughts
00:30:28.640
yeah i think that's right i think you just characterized just right uh while he's hitting us
00:30:34.980
he's urging kindness from us so it's really a nice tap on the head it's like you people be quiet that's
00:30:42.620
the subtext right uh you be kind and you be quiet and he couches this not only in in christian terms but
00:30:49.200
i mean he's quoting the new testament i'll get to that in a minute notice uh there's no old testament and
00:30:55.900
i'm going to dig into that a bit uh but his kindness right and uh you just need to go back to like
00:31:01.980
reinhold niebuhr moral man and immoral society he was a serious liberal theologian who knew
00:31:08.100
human nature right and so his famous claim right is that is nations don't know how to love they're
00:31:14.780
not capable of love nor should they strive to love every nation is corrupt and evil right human nature
00:31:21.800
is bad enough by itself as individuals uh lump us all together and and throw in some fanaticism and
00:31:27.640
you get the 30s uh in germany and you get the 60s on the college campus uh a reaction of of the
00:31:35.460
passions against reason and the founding fathers and human rights claims and the judeo-christian west
00:31:43.560
the religious tradition along with human reason and so french knows what he's doing right he wants us to
00:31:49.960
be quiet and be kind and there's a there's a new line i think that's developing uh for for americans
00:31:57.400
it's we have been kind we're a very generous uh loving people we've been over backwards uh but now
00:32:04.400
the minority uh not only wants to be protected and they should be right madisonian democracy that's the
00:32:11.400
whole point is factions the minority faction is to be protected and so all of this has been covered
00:32:16.620
right and the uh the civil rights struggle came out of the founders hard heavy lifting uh and the
00:32:23.320
enlightenment uh folks back in you know 1776 and that finally you know toward the uh martin luther king
00:32:30.200
period met met some great resolution and but now the minority is going so far that kids right in school
00:32:38.500
k to k to five or just young kids are doing bodily mutilation uh we've got drag queens in the
00:32:46.300
classroom in the michigan you just heard the attorney general of michigan uh they want drag queens and
00:32:51.080
now it's not a protection of the minorities under equal rights right of life liberty pursuit happiness
00:32:56.300
it's the minority claims to want to run the country and so a a not even a percent i don't even think it's
00:33:03.700
a percent but they're allowed and they're well funded because it has to do with the destruction
00:33:08.240
of the judeo-christian tradition and free markets and the rule of law and constitution and human rights
00:33:13.580
claims right and so french should know better he claims to be you know he quasi serious i don't
00:33:19.900
think i think he's deep as a waiting pool if you read him right he doesn't understand human nature a
00:33:23.840
bit uh he doesn't understand christianity the way he expresses it and he ought to go read saint augustine
00:33:30.100
right on on just war right just war theory the whole idea there is yes individually christians right
00:33:36.040
if at all possible live at the sermon on the mount the i the ideal of the ideal who does that on a
00:33:41.840
daily basis who wakes up thinking about god all day from morning till night uh nobody right who
00:33:49.200
always puts other people's interests before themselves uh nobody jesus did that uniquely he's
00:33:55.180
the son of god right and so french is setting this thing up uh that our politics should be at that level
00:34:02.120
i mean it's just a a joke of political theory and so uh the most interesting thing about french is
00:34:09.780
he just quotes jesus in the new testament and we should all be loving and kind right should we also
00:34:16.680
be kind to hitler no that's where just war theory kicks in when the innocent are being harmed right
00:34:25.020
when minorities the jewish the gypsies when they're being harmed it's our duty and unfortunately the church
00:34:31.080
was asleep back then uh we were lacking a backbone the catholics and the protestants uh both totally
00:34:36.780
failed in germany and broader europe and even the u.s was slow to the punch uh but we got there we did
00:34:42.820
the right thing right and so french uh it just has it all upside down and then if you really want to go
00:34:48.920
into the god talk right uh push people to talk about god which god okay so he quotes a few lines from
00:34:55.580
jesus said we should all be kind and loving that's certainly in there right they love god love god
00:35:01.160
and love your neighbor as yourself right now we're warming up now if you want to go back to the jewish
00:35:06.660
text you want to know who god the father almighty is uh go watch uh harrison ford and raiders of the
00:35:13.280
lost ark the ark of the covenant uh when that ark when the top came off that ark uh that is a vision
00:35:21.500
of god the father almighty no one is allowed to see the face of the father period that's why jesus christ
00:35:27.160
is so essential in the in the christian tradition christ is the mediator who allows us to go before
00:35:32.720
the father and beg for the forgiveness of our sins so that we can approach god and we have to be uh
00:35:39.220
repent which means turning around not just saying i'm sorry you have to repent turn around and then be
00:35:45.100
obedient to god now this totally freaks out the left this is what's going on this was the 60s right
00:35:51.380
the fist uh upstairs to heaven no uh we reject it and that's the outgrowth of what you're seeing
00:35:58.840
right so the the enlightenment there was an attack on god the classical thinkers did not have this
00:36:04.220
uh similar uh attack right the uh socrates plato etc uh and then but even let's go to the new testament
00:36:12.260
right and uh the catholics are very familiar with the trinitarian theory it's been 1500 years matured
00:36:18.380
the trinity god the father the son and the holy spirit and so uh you know the the liberals of the
00:36:25.340
60s wanted to turn jesus into just a nice warm ethical teacher that's who jesus christ is no
00:36:33.540
uh wrong existentially uh kierkegaard wrote a book knowing full well about jesus and the father and it
00:36:43.040
was called fear and trembling uh knowing full well who jesus is as well and so what am i getting at
00:36:51.240
well for instance what jesus is loving and kind well jesus is also god in the godhead with the father
00:36:56.820
and when god almighty destroyed all human beings in the flood and took his own chosen people jewish
00:37:05.000
people to task and kicked them into the desert for 400 years for disobedience that is god that is the
00:37:11.400
father that is the son a holy god god's holiness cannot withstand uh us right when we turn our back
00:37:20.060
god's always there loving us but when we turn he'll let us off in the wilderness and i'm afraid that's
00:37:26.200
where our country is headed right now if we don't get our act together and so i'm glad you uh have had
00:37:32.220
me on to to to to kind of cover the basic trajectory but this idea it isn't but but what he's what he's
00:37:40.120
arguing but but but what but what he's arguing but what he's already hang on what he's arguing
00:37:45.280
is the mainstream churches and i the mainstream catholic church the mainstream protestant churches
00:37:52.340
don't want to don't want to contest this they're they're too afraid of being kicked out of the clubs
00:37:57.900
they're too afraid of being kicked out of the chamber of commerce they're too afraid of their kids not
00:38:01.340
getting into colleges that's why it's the more evangelical pentecostal traditional catholic
00:38:07.660
most of these from a lower socioeconomic class either the lower middle class or the working class
00:38:12.820
that are prepared to stand and fight on this david french is arguing i think uh what you see in the
00:38:20.000
mainstream protestant churches particularly in the northeast and in certain elements of the
00:38:24.360
the mid-atlantic states am i you see this all the time am i this is the even the southern baptist
00:38:29.400
convention this is why you're having these doctrinal issues right now that are really off
00:38:34.160
of the take away get away from the crisis that the country's going through dave brett yeah well
00:38:41.680
that that's exactly right and i i laid it out the way i did to kind of get at that point right
00:38:46.840
and now you've got even within uh some of the mainstream churches you got these what's what
00:38:52.660
are called these uh baby christians and so this is a nice way of welcoming and everybody and saying
00:38:59.020
god loves you and so do i that's great you want to meet people where they're at listen to them etc
00:39:03.700
but this is not a substitute for the gospel right jesus claim came and preached the gospel what is the
00:39:11.060
gospel the forgiveness of sin and so that is why jesus came right and so eventually you got to get
00:39:18.280
to the hard stuff that is the meat of christianity and so you're right that the mainstream the frozen
00:39:24.740
chosen are almost extinct right the uh the old uh the the mainstream uh intellectuals because
00:39:31.440
they have compromised way too much and so now you're right right the evangelical church is alive
00:39:37.920
and well and and in south america and in china and in africa etc and uh the left does not like this
00:39:45.980
right they're horrified and still you know just to get the basic numbers out we 70 of the country
00:39:51.620
still identifies as christian and even french has these graphs out in his writings not only 70 so
00:39:58.100
that's 200 million people claim uh to be followers of jesus christ uh well this baby christianity stuff
00:40:05.640
has to come to an end we have to get serious uh about what it is to be the church it's not a consumer
00:40:12.540
good where you go one hour a week uh to get psychological uh feel-good messages so you can go out and be a more
00:40:19.780
successful business person this is not the essence of christianity right when kierkegaard writes fear
00:40:25.960
and trembling uh it's not a uh prosperity gospel feel-good thing uh it's the most serious uh tradition
00:40:33.080
and you know with respect to the enlightenment and uh the transhumanism stuff you probably got up
00:40:39.060
by following me the enlightenment uh made a deal with the great philosophers right with socrates plato who
00:40:45.260
were in search of the good and the true and the beautiful and the vision of things and asked the
00:40:50.140
fundamental what is it to be man what is it what is it to be good a good human being the enlightenment
00:40:57.180
made a deal right with machiavelli and hobbes and the cartesian worldview etc and the enlightenment came
00:41:02.820
along and said uh hey uh you know that that reason of socrates we get it because we're these guys are
00:41:10.280
first class philosophers uh but it's not accessible uh to the layperson so what we're going to do is
00:41:15.140
we're going to bring you this enlightenment thing uh and the sciences are going to really improve your
00:41:19.500
life right we're going to extend your life uh in it with the cart with the uh with the hobbes we're
00:41:25.900
going to provide uh security and safety if you form the social contract and it all happened and it was
00:41:32.420
an incredible achievement but they didn't ask the main questions right and so that's why the social
00:41:38.140
sciences and the university these days are lost they don't ask the fundamental questions they don't
00:41:43.900
motivate the young scholars anymore about the central questions of what it is to be a human
00:41:48.840
and the fundamental issue of what it means to be a human that the classics knew is you will die
00:41:55.400
right we are finite we are human and that right there right Nietzsche knew it he was a genius guy he
00:42:03.560
all the brilliant ones go right there yeah hang over one second i'm gonna keep you on i want to
00:42:09.840
bring in joe allen do we have a cold open for joe allen because it gets right to this point
00:42:13.160
we play joe allen's cold open then we'll bring in joe right good good from uh you know the last year
00:42:19.120
the one thing i've tried to put a priority on since i left the white house was you know getting some
00:42:22.940
exercise in i think that there's a good probability that my generation is hopefully with the advances in
00:42:28.520
science either you know the the first generation to live forever or the last generation that's going to
00:42:33.320
die and so we need to keep ourselves in pretty good shape uh you talk about the idea of physical
00:42:39.920
immortality and you say that this is going to be possible by 2045 uh i talk about three bridges to
00:42:49.380
radical life extension i've written a few health books bridge one is what you can do right now to
00:42:54.420
stay healthy the old-fashioned way so that we can get to bridge two uh a key idea of mine is that
00:43:01.960
information technology progresses exponentially and health and medicine is now an information
00:43:07.360
technology and that was enabled by the genome project that's bridge two and that'll get us to
00:43:12.220
bridge three where we'll have medical nanorobots little robots that are computerized that are the
00:43:18.040
size of blood cells that basically finish the job of the immune system we can finish the job
00:43:23.800
uh with these medical nanorobots there's there are detailed designs actually how to go after every
00:43:30.020
disease once we have these devices that's a 2030 scenario so that's the third bridge ultimately we're
00:43:37.860
going to merge with artificial intelligence we can talk more about that well we start with the idea
00:43:42.560
of extending our mental capacity with ai so we've already done that you know most people if they leave
00:43:49.200
their cell phone they feel like they're incomplete so they're not yet inside our bodies and brains are
00:43:54.420
some people that have computers in their brains like parkinson's patients but that'll be routine in
00:43:59.520
the 2030s another application of these medical nanorobots will be to connect our neocortex that's the
00:44:05.640
outer layer of the brain that's where we do our thinking to the cloud we'll connect our neocortex
00:44:11.420
wirelessly to the cloud just the way your cell phone does it and so we will be a hybrid of biological
00:44:17.060
thinking and non-biological thinking which i believe has already started with these devices
00:44:22.400
outside our body and we'll become smarter by 2045 we'll expand our intelligence a billion fold that's
00:44:30.080
such a profound transformation that we borrow this metaphor from physics and call it a singular change
00:44:35.920
in human history okay welcome back that's about the singularity let's bring in joe allen joe can you
00:44:44.260
tell me uh exactly what we just saw there particularly the last part of it who's talking
00:44:48.560
and why is that important and i want to tie it back to dave bratt's uh exposition that he walked us
00:44:54.820
through well you know steve when uh media i tried to take you to task for calling jared kushner a
00:45:02.260
transhumanist i thought it pretty ridiculous and i was digging around in my uh cachet of ray
00:45:08.880
kurzweil interviews to see where direct links lie and i think you can hear it pretty clearly there
00:45:15.160
kushner simply says that technology will perhaps allow him to be part of the generation that either
00:45:21.420
lives forever or doesn't die i'm not really sure what the difference is and kurzweil is probably the
00:45:27.380
most outspoken kind of pop philosopher in that department uh the art transhumanist and he has laid
00:45:35.580
out in self-help books but also you know a really dense tome the singularity is near the path by which
00:45:42.900
human beings will use technology to become immortal the promise of almost every world religion
00:45:49.180
immortality is supposedly going to be provided via technology and you heard the first bridge is just
00:45:56.040
standard health care the second bridge uh starts creeping in more into the internet of bodies
00:46:01.820
and perhaps gene editing or gene therapies and surely the mrna vaccine and all other sorts of you know
00:46:09.340
genetic experiments on human beings fall into that category and then the third the nanobots the dream of
00:46:15.500
the all-powerful nanobots that will not only eradicate cancer and all other diseases and regenerate tissues
00:46:21.880
but he believes will allow us to commune directly with ai not unlike elon musk's neural link so
00:46:29.140
to dave bratt's point he is exactly right that uh human beings are simply destined to die each and every one of us
00:46:39.100
sooner or later hopefully later and i think that uh the sort of spiritual concept of immortality
00:46:46.880
has undoubtedly been hijacked by transhumanists or other sort of techno fetishists who believe that technology
00:46:53.720
will not only allow for indefinite life extension but some sort of de facto immortality it's delusional
00:47:00.960
and i think it needs to be taken very seriously i don't know if it's i don't yeah i don't know if
00:47:07.440
it's delusional because kurswell and remember kurswell what real quickly what is kurswell's current job
00:47:14.680
today what what is he's getting a paycheck for doing what yeah he's a top r&d director at google
00:47:21.680
so he is definitely and he is influence google google google owns google owns deep mind they own
00:47:28.540
all the they basically are probably as advanced as any weapons lab calico go ahead calico labs
00:47:35.120
an immortality project by google calico labs they also run that google is a publicly traded company
00:47:43.180
called alphabet publicly traded company hundreds of billions of dollars a market cap
00:47:47.980
many of the people in this audience right now own the stock okay you own the stock kurswell's a senior
00:47:54.280
head of kind of r&d he sets the kind of overall framework what he laid out there is the path to
00:48:01.120
the singularity with all these technologies whether it's it it uh artificial general intelligence whether
00:48:07.360
it's regenerative robotics was advanced chip design uh whether it's increases in artificial intelligence
00:48:12.680
and we didn't even talk about the biotech part uh which is crisper and part of that will be the
00:48:17.700
nanobots etc that's not a fantasy that is a research program and he lays out those bridges
00:48:23.580
hey it may not be 2045 it may be 2035 or it could be 2095 the point there's a plan and and and people
00:48:32.980
are building towards that plan and i'm not saying they're sitting in one room saying hey this is what
00:48:37.300
we have to do but in the research labs in asia uh in europe in the united states both in weapons labs
00:48:44.260
in uh in in in biotechnology weapons labs and in private labs throughout the world this is being
00:48:51.100
worked on so when dave brad talks about that this is not a fantasy this is something that's going to be
00:48:55.900
in the lived experience every person under 45 years old is going to live in a world where you're
00:49:02.640
going to have to make a decision between what's a homo sapient which is on this side of the line
00:49:06.400
this side of the singularity that would be everybody that's been born you know the 100
00:49:10.620
billion people have been born and then post homo sapien uh real quickly uh joe what is your uh give
00:49:16.400
your uh give your coordinates so people can get to you we gotta bounce at j-o-e-b-o-t-x-y-z
00:49:23.240
joebot.xyz and uh also warroom.org the transhumanism tab thanks a lot steve we're gonna pick this
00:49:31.240
we're gonna pick this back up tomorrow morning at 10 a.m uh dave bratt real quickly what's your social
00:49:35.200
media brother yeah bratt economics on getter i'm posting stuff look me up third floor at liberty
00:49:42.360
university come visit open door anytime man i feel a lot better after you gave us that talk today about
00:49:48.880
uh about liberty and about you down to that business school infused with the christian
00:49:53.520
ethos yeah thank you very much see you back here tomorrow morning at 10 a.m in the war room