WarRoom Battleground EP 149： Beattie, Posobiec, Koffler： Russia Annexes Parts Of Ukraine Just Before Winter
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In the wake of the annexation of eastern Ukraine by Russia, the question for the world is, what does Putin do next? What will he do next, and how will the world react? We talk to Rebecca Koffler, Jack Posovic, and Darren Beattie to try to answer that question.
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this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just
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like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is
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the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's
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your host stephen k bannon we really want to have in our school starting from elementary school
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do we want our kids to be imposed to the pervert values that lead to degradation and extinction
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do we want them to impose this understanding that instead of males and females there are some
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genders and do we really want them to go through gender change operations do we really want it for
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our children it is unacceptable for us because we have the future of our own which is different
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and the western elites they are working against all the communities against the peoples of the western
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countries as well it is against everyone they want to bring back all the traditional values
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traditional faith and it's like the religion upside down looks like blatant satinism so the rhetoric
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continues uh from uh president putin i mean the reality is and there's there are concerts now in
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in moscow uh crowds uh brought in encouraged to come you could say uh by the kremlin uh in order to
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uh sort of celebrate this moment of annexation just the same as we saw in 2014 when
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crimea was annexed uh so all that all of that is happening but but it doesn't really disguise that
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the reality that this is the biggest uh political crisis for president putin that he's ever faced
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uh the the simple uh political challenge for him really the thing that goes to the heart of his
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problem to be honest is the mobilization that he announced because we are hearing from villages and
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towns in russia of deep deep disquiet places that i have been to many times just to paint a picture
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the kinds of places where people watch watch uh cable the russian version of cable or satellite tv
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uh the the russian channels that are piping out propaganda and are very much in support of
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president putin those kinds of places are now learning that their sons and brothers and fathers
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are going to have to go and fight and of course politics it can be so simple in many ways can't it and
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and everybody will recognize that politically when a decision by a leader reaches right into your
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family into the heart of your community it has a real impact in the people around the people that
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you love that has a real impact on what people think now president putin still has a lot of support
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in russia but again this is a you could easily say a crisis for him the question uh the question for
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the world and it is a deeply disturbing question is what does he do a command in a shoot three
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years happen and there are years in which nothing happens. And so we're living in one of those what
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months feel like years. I want to go, we're going to talk about the geostrategic implications of
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what has happened over the last couple of days, really a tale of two cities, and really the
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interpretation coming from that. I guess a tale of three cities. I would say Moscow, Kiev, and
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Washington, D.C. I want to bring you Rebecca. We've got Rebecca Koffler, Jack Posovic from Human
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Events Daily, Darren Beattie, founder and publisher, editor of Revolver.news. I want to start with
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Rebecca. Rebecca, just put it in perspective. You're the Putin watcher. You wrote Putin's secret plan,
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which a lot of people when it first came out said, hey, why should we even care about Putin? He's
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obviously now asserted, inserted himself into the geostrategic equation. How these annexations,
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they had a plebiscite. Of course, people are saying it was corrupt and, you know, they were forcing
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people to vote, but they had a plebiscite or a referendum overwhelmingly passed. They are now
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in the process to now say they're annexing it. And I think it's up to 25, almost a third of 30% of
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the Ukraine or 25% of the Ukraine, all the eastern Russian speaking provinces. How big a deal is that?
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And is there any possibility, even decades from now, that those territories will ever get back
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under Ukrainian or whatever Kyiv's control is, ma'am?
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This is a huge deal, Steve, of strategic significance, because the minute that he has
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proclaimed that these four territories that Putin seized in his special operations are now part of
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Russia, he has cleared the justification based on the Russian doctrine to defend these newly Russian
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territories with nuclear weapons. That's implication number one. Implication number three, about which
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he actually just warned us last week in a veiled thread that he will indeed use those weapons if he is faced
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with the defeat in this war, and if these regions are attacked. The second implication is this.
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Putin drew the red line for Ukraine as far as NATO membership. And now with this annexation, Ukraine
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cannot be part of NATO because there's a requirement in order to be a member that you cannot, as a country,
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you have to have sovereignty and territorial integrity, meaning an absence of an ongoing conflict.
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So in this way, yes, Zelensky wants to become a NATO member, but he can't, unless they change the law.
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And then the final implication, he basically announced an outright war onto the West. He called out the Western elites,
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who are causing the degradation of our society. He called it Satanism. He called out the woke ideology.
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And there's no stopping back. He basically is on a war path.
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Rebekah, and by the way, the book is Putin's playbook. And it's quite, you do an amazing
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psychological and really action analysis of Putin. So you really feel like you get to know him.
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I recommend everybody, if people had read this, maybe at the White House early on,
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we wouldn't have put Ukraine in this situation because I think Ukraine is the ones that suffered
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here because of the Western aggression. Rebecca, hang on. We're going to get,
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let's get Darren Beattie into this mix. Darren, you've been following this very closely.
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I know you have very strong opinions over a revolver. Give us your assessment of the speech
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and the action today, sir. Well, I'd say all of this marks a giant leap toward Armageddon.
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The speech itself has a lot of fascinating components, but it didn't occur out of a vacuum.
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It occurred in the aftermath of what might be one of the most significant attacks on
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European infrastructure in several decades. And that was the sabotage of major pipeline from Russia
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to Germany, the Nord Stream pipeline. And that, in my view, marked a dramatic escalation
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the Europeans all kind of quietly understand that this is likely at the hands of
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NATO allies itself. That's why they're being good little vassal states and not making a lot of noise
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Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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You're saying that Germany and others have acquiesced to the fact that other NATO allies
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actually blew up North Stream? Can you please cite a reference, sir?
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Well, I think the fact that, you know, in any ordinary circumstance, an attack of that magnitude
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on such a significant piece of infrastructure...
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I didn't say that. I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that. You just asserted that
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NATO allies understood that this attack was another by another NATO ally. That's a pretty explosive
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assertion. Can you back that up? Or is that just your opinion?
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Well, it's an informed opinion based on reasonable inferences from the behavior
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of the affected countries themselves. My point is that I think we can all agree this is a major
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and significant attack on a piece of infrastructure. That is the pipeline, especially...
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It's an act of... Let's be blunt. It's an act of war against the German people.
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My point is, in any other circumstance, the Germans would be making a very big deal about it.
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You're saying the passivity of German elites in the German military of not being saying,
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hey, Russia, you did this. You've blown this thing up. We're 24 hours away. This is guns of
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August moment for us. You're saying the basic crickets coming from that means or implies to you
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that a NATO ally would do this. And I take it you would say that NATO ally was the United States
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Yes, I would say the United States or NATO-aligned proxies. I'm not saying necessarily it was
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the Navy directly that did it, but I think it's a very reasonable inference given the motivation,
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given who benefits and given the reaction to the sabotage by European countries themselves,
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including, by the way, by a Polish political official who apparently was so excited and didn't
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get the memo that he took to Twitter immediately to thank the United States for doing this.
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Hold it. Hold it. I might want to add to our audience. Hang on. I want to add to our audience,
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not just any anybody knows Matthew Tierman that comes on here, not just any Polish official,
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the husband and Applebaum, who obviously the editor of the Atlantic that may be the biggest cheerleader
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for the war in Ukraine and the U.S. support of the war in Ukraine. Am I overstating that?
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Am I overstating that? Her husband tweeted out, congratulations.
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Right. And, you know, we can get to the speech, but just to break down the sort of
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whodunit aspect of things that, you know, for anyone who's been following the buildup
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to this war, this proxy war between the United States and Russia, Nord Stream 2 energy is an
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indispensable component to understanding what it's all about. It's all about who runs Europe,
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who controls Europe. Europe, we've since learned is even more of a vassal state of the United States
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than we could have imagined. And one possible countervailing factor to that was the extreme
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complementarity between Germany and Russia. Germany has a great economy. It needs energy
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and Russia has cheap energy and they need to sell it. And it was a natural thing for Russians to provide
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energy to Germany in the form of Nord Stream. But what that does is it undercuts United States
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leverage, both geopolitically and economically, because we want to sell our far more expensive
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LNG gas to Europe and have total leverage over Europe. And so Nord Stream 2 is always a major thorn
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in the side of the United States military establishment, in particular that Atlanticist
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faction of the establishment that's obsessed with destroying Russia and obsessed with maintaining
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complete hegemony over Europe. And we've gone through a lot of activity, a lot of operations
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to try to sanction the pipeline, to try to support the Green Party in Germany to be against the pipeline.
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And all of those things didn't really work. And in the days leading up to the sabotage of the pipeline,
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there are major demonstrations in Germany anticipating the energy problems this winter and saying, look,
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we have this enormously expensive piece of infrastructure of this pipeline from Russia that
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has the capacity to deliver cheap energy to us. We are facing a very difficult winter and energy
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situation. The only thing stopping the activation of this pipeline is political hesitation on the part of
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the chancellor of Germany, who again, as a head of a vassal state is totally beholden to US interests.
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And the fact that the Nord Stream pipeline was sabotaged and destroyed takes that option off the table.
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Now that piece of leverage that the Russians had, and frankly, also the Europeans had,
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is gone and they're totally beholden to the United States. And again, if you look at the reactions of these
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countries, notwithstanding the Polish official who just jumped the gun and thinks the United States,
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not understanding that they're supposed to pretend that it's not us and that it's Russia for whatever reason,
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notwithstanding that, you don't see the types of reactions that any reasonable sovereign state would have
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to an attack on the infrastructure of that magnitude because they're in this awkward position of knowing
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that it comes from the US or NATO proxies themselves. And their only option is really to put their tail
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between the legs, put them, keep their heads down and shut up about it, which is more or less what they've been doing.
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Okay. Hang on for one second. I want to get Jack Basova. He's going to join Rebecca Koffler and Darren Beattie.
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Jack, this very dramatic speech that they had the plebiscite, they've officially announced the
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annexation off of the plebiscite. And now they had this amazing event in Moscow today, including a total
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throwdown against the elites of the West. Can you give us your perspective about the speech and really
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NATO's reaction and the White House reaction to it, sir? Well, Steve, I think the speech itself
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was pretty much what a lot of people were expecting. Of course, it was a speech where he was saying that
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he was welcoming these regions of Ukraine back home into Russia. There's been some phrases going
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around, of course, on Russian social media, on Telegram, talking about how this is the little
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cubs coming back home to the mother, back to the mother bear. So this is, from their perspective,
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a huge win. They're viewing this as a win and a victory. There was a massive rally outside
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in Red Square immediately following this ceremony. And it was a huge ceremony right there in Moscow.
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But one of the key phrases that I think that he made for from the West and which everyone should take
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to heart very directly is that he said that the United States set a precedent when it used nuclear
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weapons on Japan. And remember, what did we use those weapons for? The surrender, the surrender of
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Imperial Japan, the surrender of Hirohito. His point was he's not bluffing. He's willing to use nuclear
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weapons should it come to that. Zelensky now, the president of Ukraine, responds to all of this
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by making a fast track approval into NATO, signs the document, goes out there. And of course,
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was giving a big speech, interestingly enough, wearing a hoodie, because as we all know,
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winter is coming. And certainly with everything that we've seen from these pipelines, at one point,
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Putin was, of course, blaming the West. He specifically named Anglo-Saxons. That's really his term for
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the Germany, U.S., Washington, D.C., and London access. So he's blaming them for the destruction
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of Nord Stream 2 and Nord Stream 1. Zelensky putting up this approval for NATO. But then NATO comes out
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and essentially says, well, we welcome your interest, but we're going to put this to a vote.
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And there's a long process. We're not part of this. We're not a party to it. Because this is what they've
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been trying to do from the start. NATO is trying to be involved without being involved. But the New
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York Times just yesterday said that the Pentagon is going to be installing a new facility in Europe,
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possibly within either Poland, Romania, maybe Germany, for the actual direct training of Ukrainian
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soldiers. So, of course, that narrative has been out there about the West is willing to fight to
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the last Ukrainian. But the question then becomes, how much will they go before it's considered in by
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Lavrov, by the Kremlin, as tipping the scales into becoming an active participant in this fight?
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Let me just, I'm going to get Koffler back here in a second. He would have never, this annexation is a
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massive deal. Because no matter if you like it, you don't like it, it's legal, not legal.
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I mean, now they consider this part of Russian territory. And I don't notice them giving up a
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lot of Russian territory historically. It's not what they do. This could not have happened without
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the sign off of President Xi of China. He's got to have an underwriting of this. The underwriting
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has got to be Xi, because Xi would love to do the same thing with Taiwan. So now the Ukrainians have
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been walked down the Primrose path by the West. And that tweet today, I don't know if we've got
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it. I'll put it, I'll put it up on my getter. The tweet from Stoltenberg in the middle of all this,
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where the guy's signing the documents as they speak to try to have a dramatic counterpart
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to what Putin's doing, because Putin's calling the elites of the West Satan and evil, and he's
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throwing his genderism in there and all the everything. He's putting the kitchen sink into this speech.
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NATO comes out and says, oh, by the way, you know, we're 30 guys. It's got to be unanimous.
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We'll certainly consider your filing when we get to it. I mean, it wasn't exactly
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we're there, we're building a facility to train your troops. It was about as big a,
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hey, you're not really in NATO. And then Biden, the very leading Biden, Biden came out and said,
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we will defend every inch of NATO territory. So have the Ukrainians been walked down the Primrose
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path as they were warned? What by Mersheimer at the University of Chicago, the elites are going to
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walk you down the Primrose path into the charnel house of the killing fields of eastern Ukraine.
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And when it gets to it, they're not going to back you up. So Szelinski's now got two thirds of a
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country, right? Not the whole thing, at least how he defines it.
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The Russians have annexed it. They have a history of not giving up what they get.
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And now you get she in the background. How is this not all the analysts saying big loss for
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Putin? He's got to get troops up there. He's got these draftees, people run around trying to leave
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the country. How is this anything but a huge win for Putin? And given the fact that Nord Stream,
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whoever did Nord Stream 2 is not going to happen. So the Germans are going to freeze this winter
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and probably overthrow their government. How is this? What am I missing here about why this is not a huge win
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for Putin? I'll start with Posovic, then Koffler, then Darren Beattie.
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Well, Steve, you're exactly right in terms of the sense that they are the ones who are taking
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territory here. It's not the it's not the Russians who are losing territory. This isn't the 1990s
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anymore. And if you look at some of the things that she or that she and Putin have said outside of this
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speech where he's talked about the sense that the unipolar world is over and now begins the rise of the
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multipolar world. India plays a huge role in that as well, because India, of course, standing with
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Russia, Russia using India to balance against China. Of course, India and China, that adversarial
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nature has been going on prior even to World War Two. But really, what what what Putin is is getting
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at here is this idea that World War Two ended. And when World War Two ended, it was the United States
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that came out on top because we were the country that didn't become completely destroyed in that.
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Yes, we had to submit to the war itself and we submitted many men and many blood, much blood
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and treasure to it. But we the war was not fought on our territory, right, with the exception of Pearl
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Harbor and a few of the islands in the Aleutians. So because of that, the rest of the world had to
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essentially recover. What what he's getting at here is that the world has recovered and we are
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throwing off the shackles of this idea of a one world order that's run out of Brussels, D.C.,
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Davos, etc. That's why where he was getting at with talking about these these what he called the
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experimentation on children, called it satanic. He said we're throwing out these ideas. He didn't
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quite get into directly transhumanism, but you could kind of see some shades of that in the speech as well.
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And so he's appealing making this appeal, obviously, to conservatives in all of those countries as well,
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because he said there are people within your own countries who believe with what I'm saying right
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now. You don't want this for your children. You don't want to be flying the flag of that regime as
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you go forward. And when it comes down to it, look, the United States government, are we really willing
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to go to World War three over the Donbass, Zaporizhia, Crescone and Crimea? I don't think so.
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Jack, are we going to lose you or would you have you do we have you for a few more minutes? I know
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you're under pressure to get to your show. Do we have you for a few minutes? No, no, no. I'm good. I'm
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Fine. I'm going to go to Rebecca Koffler. Rebecca, you've studied Putin for years.
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You know, the mindset of the Kremlin. Is this is this a major strategic win for Putin and his
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colleagues in the Kremlin? Or do you take the Western analysis with the we did the cold open where
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there's all this pressure. People don't want to get drafted into the army. There's all this unrest.
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They had to bust the crowd in for the big speech night. Who's right? Rebecca Koffler.
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So this is a huge strategic win for Putin, but it's even a bigger win for China's Xi Jinping.
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First, I'd like to say that I completely agree with with Jack and what he said about China and
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Russia forming this very strategic alliance. Not only that, they are establishing an economic and
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military architecture to support this alliance. Remember the Shanghai corporation organization
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that not only includes Russia and China, but now Iran is joining in. India, they have established
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an alternative, both countries to SWIFT and the mechanism to conduct business transactions in yuan and
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ruble bypassing the dollar. This is a huge implication, long term implication, because Biden's incompetent
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policies of sanctions have eroded the many countries' confidence in US dollar as the premier currency of
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international reserves and medium of exchange. So now China's Xi. So once China's Mao Zedong
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told this story about a monkey, a monkey in the Chinese culture is a symbol of wisdom, cleverness,
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and power, right? So Mao Zedong said, a monkey is sitting atop of a mountain and watching down into the
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valley as two tigers clashed in a bloody fight. So what Xi Jinping is right now witnessing, Steve,
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is the United States and Russia are basically going at each other in a proxy war. The Pentagon has
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decided to erode and deplete our own weapons supplies in order to degrade Russia's military,
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as Secretary Lloyd Austin stated. And Biden confirmed that we are supposed to keep helping them,
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and I already lost count the billions of dollars of US taxpayers' hard-earned money that we are pumping
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into Ukraine. Biden has opened a spigot basically indefinitely. And so the two tigers, right, the two
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most aggressive adversaries of the United States are now, I'm sorry, of China, right? Russia in the United
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States are going at each other, destroying each other's capabilities. And how in the world are we
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going to protect Taiwan from China? So this is a complete strategic incompetence of massive proportion
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that the Biden administration is committing right here, in addition to putting us on the brink of nuclear
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war as Jack's statement. You saw the preamble was the extraction from Afghanistan. Now we're seeing
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the whole thing. Okay, Darren Beatty from Revolver, Jack Posobiec from Human Events Daily, the author of
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Putin's playbook of Becker Koffler, all going to rejoin with us after a short commercial break.
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Okay, welcome back. We have Posobiec, we have Beattie, we have Rebecca Koffler. I'm going to go
00:30:07.460
back to Darren Beattie. Darren, you said we are leaping into Armageddon.
00:30:12.540
That's a pretty bold statement coming from you, Darren Beattie. I'm going to bring you on,
00:30:16.560
give your response. Let's hear your thoughts. And then we're going to bring up both Posobiec and
00:30:21.100
Koffler. We want to have a little more of an open conversation. So what do you mean leaping into
00:30:25.440
Armageddon, sir, with what's happened over the last 72 hours?
00:30:29.660
Well, I mean, there's been major escalatory events. And I encourage everyone, go to revolver.news. We have
00:30:37.740
a white-hot piece on this very issue that looks into historical precedents, including a war between
00:30:44.800
the not-yet-empire of Russia and Sweden that has a lot of interesting parallels to our situation
00:30:52.020
today. But to get back to the question of whether this is a strategic victory for Putin,
00:31:00.360
I'd have to say I don't really entirely agree with your other guest on that matter. I think it's been,
00:31:09.380
this whole situation has been strategically calamitous for Putin and Russia. Putin's
00:31:17.220
playing the hand that he has now. But if you look at-
00:31:21.800
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How can you say that? He just annexed a third of the country
00:31:27.820
that he was going in to do. He just annexed it with an overwhelming plebiscite and is daring the
00:31:33.900
West to do anything about it. And at least today, unless I'm missing it, the West look is feckless.
00:31:40.700
NATO look weak. The guy sent a message, hey, thanks for the application. We'll get back to you.
00:31:46.680
And Biden said, hey, we'll defend to the death every inch of NATO territory. He emphasized NATO
00:31:52.320
territory. How can Zelensky and these guys, on what level do you say it's not a major strategic win?
00:31:59.960
That's a great question. And let me preface it by saying many, I assume your listeners know,
00:32:06.840
I'm no fanboy for what I call the globalist American empire. Neither am I a fanboy for NATO.
00:32:15.240
I don't think we need an introduction to that. I think people, I think I did say Darren Beattie
00:32:20.780
of Revolver, didn't I? I think they know that, right? Tucker's wingman, let's say that.
00:32:25.540
But I have to be forthcoming about my objective assessment of the matter. And yes, Russia got to
00:32:36.600
annex some territories in the eastern part of Ukraine. We'll see ultimately how that
00:32:42.840
develops. But the question is, at what cost? Early on in this conflict, Revolver ran a bunch of
00:32:50.060
articles basically drawing parallels between the cancellation machinery visited on domestic
00:32:56.880
dissidents in the United States and the geopolitical cancellation machinery that's been marshaled against
00:33:03.140
Russia, which is absolutely severe. Russia has functionally become a global pariah on an order
00:33:10.680
that's virtually unprecedented in modern history. Hold it, hold it. Are you, hang over a second,
00:33:16.140
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. They are partners now with probably the most powerful,
00:33:22.020
if you line up NATO in the United States versus what they have in the Eurasian landmass, the Chinese
00:33:26.840
Communist Party, North Korea, Pakistan, the mullahs in Iran, and let's throw in Erdogan in Turkey,
00:33:33.880
who's really their partner, and Russia on the Eurasian landmass. And by the way, all the Central
00:33:39.500
Asian countries are going to fall in with that. We're around the periphery with NATO in the United
00:33:45.120
States. How can they, they're a pariah in the third world. People are backing them nonstop. The
00:33:51.060
one belt won all the sub-Saharan Africa, even Latin America. Nobody's out there saying, and so I don't,
00:33:57.220
yeah, they're pariahs in Davos, they're pariahs in Brussels, they're pariah in London, they're pariah
00:34:02.760
in Washington, D.C., in New York, of which they were beforehand. I'm saying today, how can you not
00:34:08.060
say this is a, I'm missing something, and you're a brilliant guy. So, and I'm not rooting for Russia
00:34:13.680
at all. I think the KGB guys are as bad as they get, but my point is, I have argued for years,
00:34:17.860
the Chinese Communist Party is our existential threat, and we have force, because of our fecklessness,
00:34:24.500
haplessness, and incompetence, and malfeasance force these guys into a partnership that's going
00:34:30.320
to have implications for a hundred years. Right now, she just said it, the Shanghai
00:34:34.180
Cooperation Organization is now, I mean, it's the Mullahs in Iran, it's, you got Persia, Russia,
00:34:40.660
and China, three ancient civilizations that have now partnered against the West. How can you say
00:34:45.560
that this is a major strategic defeat for Russia? It may end up being, but as we sit here on the last
00:34:51.920
day of the third quarter, in 20, year of our Lord, 2022, it don't look like it to me, sir.
00:34:59.600
Okay, but you'll have to give me a couple minutes to run through it without, without interruption to
00:35:04.500
make the case. Just give me two minutes. Okay, we'll give it, but I got, hold it, two minutes,
00:35:08.860
then I got, I'm gonna let Pasovic and Koffler come in at two, because this is good. Go ahead, sir.
00:35:12.460
Okay, so the question is, Russia before this special operation, Russia after. You have to look at the
00:35:18.980
state of its alliances, the state of its financial position, the state of its political position.
00:35:23.900
It's basically been entirely canceled by all of the Western infrastructure, entirely canceled
00:35:31.100
financially, canceled politically and otherwise, and made a global pariah, with the exception of
00:35:37.420
the countries that you mentioned, and I'm going to address those soon. So for the, for, you know,
00:35:43.020
Russia and China always had an interesting sort of strategic calculus with one another.
00:35:48.200
There are always going to be dimensions in which they cooperate and places where they have,
00:35:53.980
you know, competing interests. What happened, though, is that by Russia getting totally slammed
00:36:01.000
by the entire Western architecture, it put Russia in a very vulnerable position where it was basically
00:36:07.700
forced to crawl into China's arms as a very weak junior partner. It eliminated whatever Russia had in
00:36:17.300
terms of leverage to negotiate its future relationship with China on stronger terms.
00:36:23.080
Now it's a very, very junior partner, and there's nothing they can do about it because China is the
00:36:32.140
Yeah, but you assumed they weren't, but they weren't, they weren't a senior partner at the beginning.
00:36:36.060
The reason they had to crawl back to China and we shouldn't have done it is their tank column
00:36:39.800
didn't take Kiev, right? Hang on a second, Darren, because we love you and they have tremendous,
00:36:44.080
hang on, hang on one second. Let me bring Pesovic in for a couple of minutes and then Rebecca,
00:36:48.340
because this is getting hot as we wanted to hear in the warm Pesovic.
00:36:51.560
Your assessment of Darren Beattie's analysis, sir.
00:36:55.720
Well, I certainly understand what Darren's saying. Of course, it's the financial weight of China
00:37:01.860
that's given them any kind of lifeline. And Steve, you yourself pointed out that it was
00:37:06.000
Xi Jinping that underwrote this entire thing. They would not be doing this without the underwriting
00:37:11.160
of Xi Jinping. It's the only lifeline insurance policy that they have left, selling their oil to
00:37:16.960
Xi, selling their oil to eventually India, who they're also building a pipeline with. They would
00:37:21.720
not be able to do that otherwise. Now, with this idea of, and Putin mentioned it in his speech as
00:37:26.960
well, he said, I wanted a pan-European ideal. That was the point of Nord Stream. The idea was that
00:37:35.140
Russia and possibly Europe would be able to, you know, come back together again. Because there's
00:37:40.500
always been sort of these two Russias, right? There's European Russia and there's Asian Russia and
00:37:45.200
the Euro Mountain, split them in between. Yes. And it goes all the way back to Peter the Great,
00:37:49.580
Peter the Great, who rebuilt, you know, a one-for-one almost replica of Versailles.
00:37:54.600
That's my debate. That's my debate. That's my debate with Dugan. That's my debate with Dugan.
00:37:59.840
They get this Eurasian landmass of, you know, certain guys like Dugan, you know, and the
00:38:06.460
St. Petersburg crowd sees it as a European nation and combined with Europe.
00:38:10.900
Well, Stephen, hang on. We'll get to that. Do they look east or do they look west? That's the
00:38:15.700
debate. Do they look east or do they look west? Well, he just said that West shut the door. Real
00:38:19.980
quickly before I go to Rebecca, do you agree with Darren that this is a strategic, I don't say
00:38:24.240
defeat, but not a strategic victory? As we sit here on the last day of the third quarter, as Putin's
00:38:29.920
seen it, with all the problems he's got, financial, all that, with Europe shivering and going to be
00:38:35.580
kowtowing to him for the gas, is this a strategic defeat in the annexation of these provinces?
00:38:42.320
I think it's a mixed bag. I think it's mixed. I think he was not able to be shut out, obviously,
00:38:48.520
of Ukraine completely, which is what Zelensky and Biden, Blinken, have all been trying to say
00:38:52.720
while Biden is drooling. I mean, he's out there threatening tactical nuclear strikes while Biden
00:38:57.420
is dribbling into his creamed beets every morning. You know that Jill's spoon feeding him over there.
00:39:02.120
That being said, to Darren's point, they did also lose their leverage with Europe,
00:39:07.720
a massive part of their leverage with Europe, which is going to be an issue for them.
00:39:11.000
How did they lose their leverage? Please tell me how they lose their leverage. Okay, stop.
00:39:15.040
Their leverage with Europe is sitting at the bottom of the Baltic.
00:39:17.960
We tried to destroy. It's sitting at the bottom of the Baltic. Go take a look.
00:39:23.100
Look, okay, I know you're a naval officer, so am I, but they'll give up the Baltic fleet.
00:39:28.100
Listen, the West went in the first 30 or 60 days of the war and tried to destroy the central bank
00:39:36.000
of Russia. They tried to destroy the ruble. We did more economic warfare in the first 100 days
00:39:42.140
of this war than we did against the Nazis the entire time. We never tried to set down the central
00:39:47.080
bank of Germany during World War II, and we let the Germans, the Germans, we didn't try to destroy
00:39:52.200
the German currency, and we didn't even stop them taking their cash out and putting it in Switzerland.
00:39:55.980
They did more against Russia, and he kind of powered through it. They kind of powered through
00:40:02.540
Steve, Lord Hastings Isley, the first Secretary General of NATO, and they asked him, they said,
00:40:06.540
what's the point of NATO? And he was very British, remember? And he had a very distinct answer,
00:40:11.640
infamous answer. He said, the point of NATO is this, to keep the Americans in, to keep the Russians
00:40:16.780
out, and to keep the Germans down. And if you look at what's happened, this follows every single
00:40:28.500
Okay, let me go to Rebecca Koffler. Rebecca, Strategic, you study these guys inside the,
00:40:33.260
but when they're sitting there tonight drinking the cold vodka, do they think it's with all the
00:40:37.540
problems they got? Do you think they're sitting there going strategic win, or do you agree with
00:40:41.740
Darren Beatty that they've been shut out, they're a pariah, they got bigger problems, and this is
00:40:46.000
something they never, they never thought in six months or eight months into this war they'd be here,
00:40:50.980
ma'am. Well, I respectfully disagree with Darren. I believe the Russians view it as a strategic win,
00:40:58.840
and Putin has made a very calculated decision looking into the future, because losing leverage
00:41:05.820
with the Europeans was just a matter of time. Putin and his regime, all of the Syloviki, which by the
00:41:13.600
way, they support him 100%, right? They look at it this way. Basically, in the future, they view China and
00:41:26.740
Asia as their strongest partner. Russia has concluded that regardless of who is in charge in the White House,
00:41:35.660
whether it's Democrats or Republicans, we will still continue to fight them for control over the
00:41:44.240
Eurasian territory, which Russia views as a security perimeter on which it relied for centuries. And given
00:41:52.760
that right now, with the absorption of the Baltics into NATO, the distance between NATO forces and Moscow and
00:42:01.240
St. Petersburg has reduced from 1,000 miles to 1,300 miles back into the Cold War to 100 to 300 miles,
00:42:13.340
right? So that's a distance that's shorter than between Washington and New York. And so for Putin,
00:42:20.840
it's unacceptable. And that's why he kept saying it's a red line, it's a red line, it's a red line. And
00:42:25.380
finally, he enforced it today, by annexing this, this territory. So back into the China
00:42:34.660
point. So everything that Putin does, right, he has China in the back of his mind, because Russia
00:42:44.320
considers China as its geopolitical threat number two in the long term. Yes, they're presenting it to
00:42:51.460
the world. And they they are united. Is BD right? Is BD right? He's BD right that he's now the junior
00:43:01.040
partner and had to kind of go crawling on his knees to be the junior partner of Xi? Not quite, not not
00:43:07.880
quite. Here's why. I guess he's somewhat of a junior partner because Chinese economies and, you know,
00:43:15.360
is an upward trajectory and demographics. Russia's is on the down. But look at it this way. So China
00:43:22.460
and Russia share a 26 mile long border, right? And Putin is just showing 2,600 miles, 26, 20,
00:43:34.280
2,600, 2,600. I'm sorry if I said something different. So, so Putin just stated that he will use,
00:43:43.740
right? Nuclear, low yield nuclear weapons. He, they developed a very specific low yield nuclear
00:43:51.620
warhead that they believe is usable. That is, you know, under one kiloton compared to what we used
00:43:59.580
in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which was 15 kiloton. And even then within a year, the cities went back to
00:44:07.440
life, right? So this is why Putin today, as Jack pointed it out, reminded us that the United States
00:44:13.640
is the one that set this precedent. Well, he's signaling to Xi. He's signaling to Xi. And this
00:44:21.180
is exactly why he developed the capability. And that's the capability that right now we don't have
00:44:27.220
because whatever President Trump authorized, the low yield nuclear tipped cruise missiles,
00:44:32.900
sea launch, Biden canceled it. So he's signaling to both, to us and to China. That's how far he's
00:44:40.960
willing to escalate. Okay. Hang on, hang on, hang on. I got to bring in Darren Beattie. Darren, I need,
00:44:48.080
I want you to come in hot and respond to all this. One thing I also, if, if Koffler and Posobiec have
00:44:52.560
taught me anything, is that Russia thinks in historical precedent, that there's a continuity of the way
00:44:58.320
they think, the ruling elites, although they overthrew the czars, they still think like this. And so
00:45:02.940
your, your Swedish and your Russian analysis, maybe. Maybe. So Darren, come in, come in, Darren,
00:45:13.940
come in hot and respond to both Koffler and Posobiec, sir. So I'll just sort of state my case
00:45:22.400
in the simplest terms possible. The question of whether Russia and Putin are in a better position
00:45:28.920
now than before the so-called special operation can be evaluated according to three dimensions,
00:45:36.760
the internal situation within Russia, the situation between Russia and Europe, the situation between
00:45:46.420
Russia and China, and I'll add a fourth between Russia and the United States. So let's take China
00:45:51.780
first. As I mentioned, just the nature of the situation is such that Russia is always going to be
00:45:58.340
a junior partner. But the question is how junior? There's a spectrum there. And the fact that Russia
00:46:04.700
became a global pariah from the standpoint of basically the entire Western economic structure
00:46:12.100
really severely crippled Russia's leverage with which it can make any kinds of arrangements with
00:46:18.900
China. They're literally their only lifeline in the lifeboat. And given how much they need China,
00:46:24.800
China has not actually been that solicitous in terms of what it's provided Russia both publicly
00:46:31.120
and privately. And so I think Russia's position with respect to China is weaker than it was before
00:46:37.420
the special operation. Let's look at Russia's position with respect to Europe. Jack put it beautifully.
00:46:44.100
Where's their leverage over Europe? It's sitting at the bottom of the Baltic. Literally,
00:46:49.220
the biggest piece of leverage that Russia has over Europe was energy. And by the fact that the United
00:46:56.500
States and its NATO proxies destroyed this piece of infrastructure makes it just tremendously worse
00:47:05.440
in terms of its position over Europe. Its leverage is gone. Zero. It doesn't exist. And for all the talk
00:47:11.860
about how Putin's being bold and doing this and that, Putin's not being bold at all. Let me remind
00:47:19.200
you what I just said. The U.S. and its NATO proxies basically declared war on Russia by destroying
00:47:27.480
Nord Stream and Putin's done nothing about it. And furthermore, let's look at the situation between
00:47:33.800
the United States and Russia. The United States got away with what it wanted all along was the destruction
00:47:39.380
of Nord Stream 2. Russia's not doing anything about it. And Europe's not doing anything about it.
00:47:45.800
If it was sort of an unspoken, tacit understanding before, it's now plain for everyone to see that there
00:47:53.440
are no genuinely sovereign countries in Europe. Europe is a vassal state. Europe is a slave state of
00:48:00.560
the United States. And Putin, in his speech, basically tried to shame them for doing that. The only problem is
00:48:05.640
the Germans have no shame. They have no pride. They have no underlying sense that they deserve to be
00:48:11.940
a sovereign nation. And that's why they're going to keep the tail between the legs and pretend like
00:48:18.080
nothing happened. On every single dimension that's centralized, Russia's in a worse position. I think
00:48:24.580
it's common sense. Okay, good. Hang on. I've only got a minute for each. Rebecca, only a minute to wrap
00:48:32.600
up. We're going to put up a link to Putin's A Secret Plan, Putin's Playbook. Real quickly,
00:48:39.560
your assessment of where Russia stands tonight as we close the show, ma'am.
00:48:44.780
Okay. I just want to point out, it is my professional intelligence assessment that it is Russia
00:48:50.560
that destroyed its own Nord Stream. I have an editorial coming out tomorrow at 7 a.m. on Fox
00:48:57.120
News, giving five top reasons. But I'm just going to mention one real quick. The Nord Stream pipelines
00:49:04.380
were not revenue producing at this point. The revenue is being replaced with $55 billion joint
00:49:11.420
Russia-China pipeline called the Power of Siberia and by other export earnings. Okay. And then you can,
00:49:18.640
so right now- I tell you what, I tell you what, hang on, hang on. I'm going to leave everybody,
00:49:23.420
hang on, hang on. I'm going to leave everybody hanging because I'm running out of time. We're
00:49:27.280
going to have you on about your piece on Fox tomorrow morning with our morning show. We're
00:49:33.340
going to be live. So you just hang on. Rebecca Koffler, Putin's Playbook. Everybody can get it.
00:49:39.920
Posobiec, you got 60 seconds, sir. Give me your assessment.
00:49:42.640
Well, I just go back to what I said before. I think Russia's leverage over Europe is completely
00:49:49.400
lying at the bottom of the Black Sea right now. I was at the Helsinki summit with President Trump
00:49:54.720
and Vladimir Putin. And this was the single biggest point of contention at that summit. Of course,
00:50:00.060
Jim Acosta and others couldn't understand what was going on around them because they don't
00:50:03.320
understand geopolitics. But the idea was, it's always been about who's going to sell fuel to Europe.
00:50:10.240
And at the end of the day, the Russians are- By the way, it's the Baltic, the Baltic,
00:50:13.860
the Baltic, not the black. I know you know that. There's a slip of time. We're going to be back
00:50:17.760
tomorrow. I'm going to pick this up. I'm going to reach out to Posobiec and reach out to Beattie.
00:50:22.100
We're going to try and get him on. We'll definitely have Rebecca Koffler on. I'll be at American Freedom
00:50:25.560
Alliance talking about geopolitics and the World Economic Forum in Davos, where they try to arrest
00:50:32.760
Jack Posobiec. Darren Beattie, thank you very much. Rebecca Koffler, thank you. Hopefully see you guys
00:50:37.860
tomorrow. Where? On the Saturday edition of The Word.