Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 149： Beattie, Posobiec, Koffler： Russia Annexes Parts Of Ukraine Just Before Winter

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:14.940 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the

00:00:21.960 authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just

00:00:27.860 like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and

00:00:32.600 misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is

00:00:36.880 the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's

00:00:43.940 your host stephen k bannon we really want to have in our school starting from elementary school

00:00:50.800 do we want our kids to be imposed to the pervert values that lead to degradation and extinction

00:00:58.420 do we want them to impose this understanding that instead of males and females there are some

00:01:04.760 genders and do we really want them to go through gender change operations do we really want it for 1.00

00:01:12.520 our children it is unacceptable for us because we have the future of our own which is different

00:01:18.280 and the western elites they are working against all the communities against the peoples of the western

00:01:26.100 countries as well it is against everyone they want to bring back all the traditional values

00:01:34.340 traditional faith and it's like the religion upside down looks like blatant satinism so the rhetoric

00:01:43.060 continues uh from uh president putin i mean the reality is and there's there are concerts now in

00:01:49.440 in moscow uh crowds uh brought in encouraged to come you could say uh by the kremlin uh in order to

00:01:58.260 uh sort of celebrate this moment of annexation just the same as we saw in 2014 when

00:02:03.280 crimea was annexed uh so all that all of that is happening but but it doesn't really disguise that

00:02:07.940 the reality that this is the biggest uh political crisis for president putin that he's ever faced

00:02:13.360 uh the the simple uh political challenge for him really the thing that goes to the heart of his

00:02:19.300 problem to be honest is the mobilization that he announced because we are hearing from villages and

00:02:24.120 towns in russia of deep deep disquiet places that i have been to many times just to paint a picture

00:02:29.880 the kinds of places where people watch watch uh cable the russian version of cable or satellite tv

00:02:36.480 uh the the russian channels that are piping out propaganda and are very much in support of

00:02:42.980 president putin those kinds of places are now learning that their sons and brothers and fathers

00:02:48.700 are going to have to go and fight and of course politics it can be so simple in many ways can't it and

00:02:55.200 and everybody will recognize that politically when a decision by a leader reaches right into your

00:03:01.700 family into the heart of your community it has a real impact in the people around the people that

00:03:05.920 you love that has a real impact on what people think now president putin still has a lot of support

00:03:10.760 in russia but again this is a you could easily say a crisis for him the question uh the question for

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00:04:21.660 years happen and there are years in which nothing happens. And so we're living in one of those what

00:04:27.620 months feel like years. I want to go, we're going to talk about the geostrategic implications of

00:04:34.220 what has happened over the last couple of days, really a tale of two cities, and really the

00:04:38.480 interpretation coming from that. I guess a tale of three cities. I would say Moscow, Kiev, and

00:04:45.280 Washington, D.C. I want to bring you Rebecca. We've got Rebecca Koffler, Jack Posovic from Human

00:04:50.080 Events Daily, Darren Beattie, founder and publisher, editor of Revolver.news. I want to start with

00:04:56.040 Rebecca. Rebecca, just put it in perspective. You're the Putin watcher. You wrote Putin's secret plan,

00:05:01.760 which a lot of people when it first came out said, hey, why should we even care about Putin? He's

00:05:05.160 obviously now asserted, inserted himself into the geostrategic equation. How these annexations,

00:05:12.780 they had a plebiscite. Of course, people are saying it was corrupt and, you know, they were forcing

00:05:16.300 people to vote, but they had a plebiscite or a referendum overwhelmingly passed. They are now

00:05:21.400 in the process to now say they're annexing it. And I think it's up to 25, almost a third of 30% of

00:05:28.360 the Ukraine or 25% of the Ukraine, all the eastern Russian speaking provinces. How big a deal is that?

00:05:35.060 And is there any possibility, even decades from now, that those territories will ever get back

00:05:41.980 under Ukrainian or whatever Kyiv's control is, ma'am?

00:05:47.640 This is a huge deal, Steve, of strategic significance, because the minute that he has

00:05:56.260 proclaimed that these four territories that Putin seized in his special operations are now part of

00:06:03.320 Russia, he has cleared the justification based on the Russian doctrine to defend these newly Russian 0.96

00:06:11.680 territories with nuclear weapons. That's implication number one. Implication number three, about which

00:06:20.640 he actually just warned us last week in a veiled thread that he will indeed use those weapons if he is faced

00:06:30.480 with the defeat in this war, and if these regions are attacked. The second implication is this.

00:06:40.420 Putin drew the red line for Ukraine as far as NATO membership. And now with this annexation, Ukraine

00:06:49.540 cannot be part of NATO because there's a requirement in order to be a member that you cannot, as a country,

00:06:57.860 you have to have sovereignty and territorial integrity, meaning an absence of an ongoing conflict.

00:07:04.020 So in this way, yes, Zelensky wants to become a NATO member, but he can't, unless they change the law.

00:07:13.140 And then the final implication, he basically announced an outright war onto the West. He called out the Western elites,

00:07:22.260 who are causing the degradation of our society. He called it Satanism. He called out the woke ideology.

00:07:29.860 And there's no stopping back. He basically is on a war path.

00:07:35.140 Rebekah, and by the way, the book is Putin's playbook. And it's quite, you do an amazing

00:07:42.820 psychological and really action analysis of Putin. So you really feel like you get to know him.

00:07:48.020 I recommend everybody, if people had read this, maybe at the White House early on,

00:07:52.100 we wouldn't have put Ukraine in this situation because I think Ukraine is the ones that suffered

00:07:57.220 here because of the Western aggression. Rebecca, hang on. We're going to get, 0.63

00:08:01.460 let's get Darren Beattie into this mix. Darren, you've been following this very closely.

00:08:06.660 I know you have very strong opinions over a revolver. Give us your assessment of the speech

00:08:11.220 and the action today, sir. Well, I'd say all of this marks a giant leap toward Armageddon.

00:08:22.260 The speech itself has a lot of fascinating components, but it didn't occur out of a vacuum.

00:08:29.060 It occurred in the aftermath of what might be one of the most significant attacks on

00:08:36.980 European infrastructure in several decades. And that was the sabotage of major pipeline from Russia

00:08:44.500 to Germany, the Nord Stream pipeline. And that, in my view, marked a dramatic escalation

00:08:51.620 the Europeans all kind of quietly understand that this is likely at the hands of

00:08:58.980 NATO allies itself. That's why they're being good little vassal states and not making a lot of noise

00:09:04.740 about it. But Putin, in his speech...

00:09:08.180 Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:09:13.060 You're saying that Germany and others have acquiesced to the fact that other NATO allies

00:09:19.140 actually blew up North Stream? Can you please cite a reference, sir?

00:09:23.300 Well, I think the fact that, you know, in any ordinary circumstance, an attack of that magnitude

00:09:30.420 on such a significant piece of infrastructure...

00:09:32.260 I didn't say that. I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that. You just asserted that

00:09:36.900 NATO allies understood that this attack was another by another NATO ally. That's a pretty explosive

00:09:43.300 assertion. Can you back that up? Or is that just your opinion?

00:09:46.180 Well, it's an informed opinion based on reasonable inferences from the behavior

00:09:53.460 of the affected countries themselves. My point is that I think we can all agree this is a major

00:09:59.380 and significant attack on a piece of infrastructure. That is the pipeline, especially...

00:10:06.260 It's an act of... Let's be blunt. It's an act of war against the German people. 0.93

00:10:11.300 My point is, in any other circumstance, the Germans would be making a very big deal about it. 0.75

00:10:20.100 You're saying the passivity of German elites in the German military of not being saying,

00:10:26.500 hey, Russia, you did this. You've blown this thing up. We're 24 hours away. This is guns of 1.00

00:10:32.340 August moment for us. You're saying the basic crickets coming from that means or implies to you

00:10:40.260 that a NATO ally would do this. And I take it you would say that NATO ally was the United States

00:10:46.420 or somebody in concert with the United States?

00:10:48.100 Yes, I would say the United States or NATO-aligned proxies. I'm not saying necessarily it was

00:10:55.700 the Navy directly that did it, but I think it's a very reasonable inference given the motivation,

00:11:03.060 given who benefits and given the reaction to the sabotage by European countries themselves,

00:11:09.620 including, by the way, by a Polish political official who apparently was so excited and didn't

00:11:17.060 get the memo that he took to Twitter immediately to thank the United States for doing this.

00:11:23.380 Hold it. Hold it. I might want to add to our audience. Hang on. I want to add to our audience,

00:11:28.660 not just any anybody knows Matthew Tierman that comes on here, not just any Polish official,

00:11:33.860 the husband and Applebaum, who obviously the editor of the Atlantic that may be the biggest cheerleader

00:11:40.500 for the war in Ukraine and the U.S. support of the war in Ukraine. Am I overstating that?

00:11:45.540 Am I overstating that? Her husband tweeted out, congratulations.

00:11:50.580 Right. And, you know, we can get to the speech, but just to break down the sort of

00:11:54.420 whodunit aspect of things that, you know, for anyone who's been following the buildup

00:12:00.420 to this war, this proxy war between the United States and Russia, Nord Stream 2 energy is an

00:12:08.420 indispensable component to understanding what it's all about. It's all about who runs Europe,

00:12:13.700 who controls Europe. Europe, we've since learned is even more of a vassal state of the United States

00:12:19.700 than we could have imagined. And one possible countervailing factor to that was the extreme

00:12:26.740 complementarity between Germany and Russia. Germany has a great economy. It needs energy

00:12:32.500 and Russia has cheap energy and they need to sell it. And it was a natural thing for Russians to provide 1.00

00:12:39.620 energy to Germany in the form of Nord Stream. But what that does is it undercuts United States

00:12:45.620 leverage, both geopolitically and economically, because we want to sell our far more expensive

00:12:52.660 LNG gas to Europe and have total leverage over Europe. And so Nord Stream 2 is always a major thorn

00:13:00.340 in the side of the United States military establishment, in particular that Atlanticist

00:13:05.780 faction of the establishment that's obsessed with destroying Russia and obsessed with maintaining

00:13:11.380 complete hegemony over Europe. And we've gone through a lot of activity, a lot of operations

00:13:19.060 to try to sanction the pipeline, to try to support the Green Party in Germany to be against the pipeline.

00:13:26.740 And all of those things didn't really work. And in the days leading up to the sabotage of the pipeline,

00:13:32.420 there are major demonstrations in Germany anticipating the energy problems this winter and saying, look,

00:13:38.900 we have this enormously expensive piece of infrastructure of this pipeline from Russia that

00:13:46.500 has the capacity to deliver cheap energy to us. We are facing a very difficult winter and energy

00:13:52.660 situation. The only thing stopping the activation of this pipeline is political hesitation on the part of

00:13:59.540 the chancellor of Germany, who again, as a head of a vassal state is totally beholden to US interests.

00:14:06.420 And the fact that the Nord Stream pipeline was sabotaged and destroyed takes that option off the table.

00:14:13.380 Now that piece of leverage that the Russians had, and frankly, also the Europeans had, 0.58

00:14:19.060 is gone and they're totally beholden to the United States. And again, if you look at the reactions of these

00:14:26.020 countries, notwithstanding the Polish official who just jumped the gun and thinks the United States,

00:14:33.540 not understanding that they're supposed to pretend that it's not us and that it's Russia for whatever reason,

00:14:39.780 notwithstanding that, you don't see the types of reactions that any reasonable sovereign state would have

00:14:46.900 to an attack on the infrastructure of that magnitude because they're in this awkward position of knowing

00:14:53.060 that it comes from the US or NATO proxies themselves. And their only option is really to put their tail

00:15:00.100 between the legs, put them, keep their heads down and shut up about it, which is more or less what they've been doing. 0.99

00:15:06.900 Okay. Hang on for one second. I want to get Jack Basova. He's going to join Rebecca Koffler and Darren Beattie. 0.97

00:15:14.020 Jack, this very dramatic speech that they had the plebiscite, they've officially announced the

00:15:19.380 annexation off of the plebiscite. And now they had this amazing event in Moscow today, including a total

00:15:27.060 throwdown against the elites of the West. Can you give us your perspective about the speech and really

00:15:32.020 NATO's reaction and the White House reaction to it, sir? Well, Steve, I think the speech itself

00:15:39.700 was pretty much what a lot of people were expecting. Of course, it was a speech where he was saying that

00:15:44.740 he was welcoming these regions of Ukraine back home into Russia. There's been some phrases going

00:15:51.940 around, of course, on Russian social media, on Telegram, talking about how this is the little

00:15:57.540 cubs coming back home to the mother, back to the mother bear. So this is, from their perspective,

00:16:04.580 a huge win. They're viewing this as a win and a victory. There was a massive rally outside

00:16:09.620 in Red Square immediately following this ceremony. And it was a huge ceremony right there in Moscow.

00:16:16.100 But one of the key phrases that I think that he made for from the West and which everyone should take 1.00

00:16:21.220 to heart very directly is that he said that the United States set a precedent when it used nuclear

00:16:29.140 weapons on Japan. And remember, what did we use those weapons for? The surrender, the surrender of

00:16:35.860 Imperial Japan, the surrender of Hirohito. His point was he's not bluffing. He's willing to use nuclear

00:16:44.420 weapons should it come to that. Zelensky now, the president of Ukraine, responds to all of this

00:16:50.180 by making a fast track approval into NATO, signs the document, goes out there. And of course,

00:16:56.900 was giving a big speech, interestingly enough, wearing a hoodie, because as we all know,

00:17:00.980 winter is coming. And certainly with everything that we've seen from these pipelines, at one point,

00:17:06.100 Putin was, of course, blaming the West. He specifically named Anglo-Saxons. That's really his term for

00:17:11.780 the Germany, U.S., Washington, D.C., and London access. So he's blaming them for the destruction

00:17:20.420 of Nord Stream 2 and Nord Stream 1. Zelensky putting up this approval for NATO. But then NATO comes out

00:17:27.620 and essentially says, well, we welcome your interest, but we're going to put this to a vote.

00:17:33.620 And there's a long process. We're not part of this. We're not a party to it. Because this is what they've

00:17:39.220 been trying to do from the start. NATO is trying to be involved without being involved. But the New

00:17:45.460 York Times just yesterday said that the Pentagon is going to be installing a new facility in Europe,

00:17:53.140 possibly within either Poland, Romania, maybe Germany, for the actual direct training of Ukrainian

00:17:59.460 soldiers. So, of course, that narrative has been out there about the West is willing to fight to

00:18:04.500 the last Ukrainian. But the question then becomes, how much will they go before it's considered in by

00:18:12.180 Lavrov, by the Kremlin, as tipping the scales into becoming an active participant in this fight?

00:18:19.940 Let me just, I'm going to get Koffler back here in a second. He would have never, this annexation is a

00:18:25.940 massive deal. Because no matter if you like it, you don't like it, it's legal, not legal.

00:18:30.820 I mean, now they consider this part of Russian territory. And I don't notice them giving up a

00:18:35.540 lot of Russian territory historically. It's not what they do. This could not have happened without 1.00

00:18:41.700 the sign off of President Xi of China. He's got to have an underwriting of this. The underwriting

00:18:48.100 has got to be Xi, because Xi would love to do the same thing with Taiwan. So now the Ukrainians have 0.97

00:18:53.380 been walked down the Primrose path by the West. And that tweet today, I don't know if we've got

00:18:58.020 it. I'll put it, I'll put it up on my getter. The tweet from Stoltenberg in the middle of all this,

00:19:03.620 where the guy's signing the documents as they speak to try to have a dramatic counterpart

00:19:07.940 to what Putin's doing, because Putin's calling the elites of the West Satan and evil, and he's

00:19:12.580 throwing his genderism in there and all the everything. He's putting the kitchen sink into this speech.

00:19:18.500 NATO comes out and says, oh, by the way, you know, we're 30 guys. It's got to be unanimous.

00:19:23.860 We'll certainly consider your filing when we get to it. I mean, it wasn't exactly

00:19:29.780 we're there, we're building a facility to train your troops. It was about as big a,

00:19:34.500 hey, you're not really in NATO. And then Biden, the very leading Biden, Biden came out and said,

00:19:39.220 we will defend every inch of NATO territory. So have the Ukrainians been walked down the Primrose

00:19:46.180 path as they were warned? What by Mersheimer at the University of Chicago, the elites are going to

00:19:52.900 walk you down the Primrose path into the charnel house of the killing fields of eastern Ukraine. 0.59

00:19:58.260 And when it gets to it, they're not going to back you up. So Szelinski's now got two thirds of a

00:20:03.300 country, right? Not the whole thing, at least how he defines it.

00:20:07.140 The Russians have annexed it. They have a history of not giving up what they get. 0.94

00:20:11.620 And now you get she in the background. How is this not all the analysts saying big loss for

00:20:16.100 Putin? He's got to get troops up there. He's got these draftees, people run around trying to leave

00:20:19.860 the country. How is this anything but a huge win for Putin? And given the fact that Nord Stream,

00:20:25.060 whoever did Nord Stream 2 is not going to happen. So the Germans are going to freeze this winter

00:20:29.380 and probably overthrow their government. How is this? What am I missing here about why this is not a huge win

00:20:34.580 for Putin? I'll start with Posovic, then Koffler, then Darren Beattie.

00:20:40.020 Well, Steve, you're exactly right in terms of the sense that they are the ones who are taking

00:20:44.820 territory here. It's not the it's not the Russians who are losing territory. This isn't the 1990s

00:20:49.060 anymore. And if you look at some of the things that she or that she and Putin have said outside of this

00:20:54.260 speech where he's talked about the sense that the unipolar world is over and now begins the rise of the

00:21:00.900 multipolar world. India plays a huge role in that as well, because India, of course, standing with

00:21:07.060 Russia, Russia using India to balance against China. Of course, India and China, that adversarial 0.99

00:21:12.340 nature has been going on prior even to World War Two. But really, what what what Putin is is getting

00:21:18.180 at here is this idea that World War Two ended. And when World War Two ended, it was the United States

00:21:25.300 that came out on top because we were the country that didn't become completely destroyed in that.

00:21:30.340 Yes, we had to submit to the war itself and we submitted many men and many blood, much blood

00:21:35.300 and treasure to it. But we the war was not fought on our territory, right, with the exception of Pearl

00:21:39.860 Harbor and a few of the islands in the Aleutians. So because of that, the rest of the world had to

00:21:45.460 essentially recover. What what he's getting at here is that the world has recovered and we are

00:21:50.740 throwing off the shackles of this idea of a one world order that's run out of Brussels, D.C.,

00:21:58.820 Davos, etc. That's why where he was getting at with talking about these these what he called the

00:22:04.100 experimentation on children, called it satanic. He said we're throwing out these ideas. He didn't

00:22:10.260 quite get into directly transhumanism, but you could kind of see some shades of that in the speech as well.

00:22:15.860 And so he's appealing making this appeal, obviously, to conservatives in all of those countries as well,

00:22:22.020 because he said there are people within your own countries who believe with what I'm saying right

00:22:26.900 now. You don't want this for your children. You don't want to be flying the flag of that regime as

00:22:32.180 you go forward. And when it comes down to it, look, the United States government, are we really willing

00:22:39.940 to go to World War three over the Donbass, Zaporizhia, Crescone and Crimea? I don't think so.

00:22:50.260 Jack, are we going to lose you or would you have you do we have you for a few more minutes? I know

00:22:53.860 you're under pressure to get to your show. Do we have you for a few minutes? No, no, no. I'm good. I'm

00:22:57.780 good. We're good.

00:23:00.020 Fine. I'm going to go to Rebecca Koffler. Rebecca, you've studied Putin for years.

00:23:04.740 You know, the mindset of the Kremlin. Is this is this a major strategic win for Putin and his

00:23:12.660 colleagues in the Kremlin? Or do you take the Western analysis with the we did the cold open where

00:23:19.300 there's all this pressure. People don't want to get drafted into the army. There's all this unrest.

00:23:22.900 They had to bust the crowd in for the big speech night. Who's right? Rebecca Koffler. 1.00

00:23:26.820 So this is a huge strategic win for Putin, but it's even a bigger win for China's Xi Jinping.

00:23:38.340 First, I'd like to say that I completely agree with with Jack and what he said about China and

00:23:45.540 Russia forming this very strategic alliance. Not only that, they are establishing an economic and

00:23:53.380 military architecture to support this alliance. Remember the Shanghai corporation organization

00:24:00.580 that not only includes Russia and China, but now Iran is joining in. India, they have established

00:24:09.140 an alternative, both countries to SWIFT and the mechanism to conduct business transactions in yuan and

00:24:17.860 ruble bypassing the dollar. This is a huge implication, long term implication, because Biden's incompetent

00:24:26.980 policies of sanctions have eroded the many countries' confidence in US dollar as the premier currency of

00:24:36.100 international reserves and medium of exchange. So now China's Xi. So once China's Mao Zedong

00:24:45.060 told this story about a monkey, a monkey in the Chinese culture is a symbol of wisdom, cleverness,

00:24:55.300 and power, right? So Mao Zedong said, a monkey is sitting atop of a mountain and watching down into the

00:25:03.060 valley as two tigers clashed in a bloody fight. So what Xi Jinping is right now witnessing, Steve,

00:25:13.620 is the United States and Russia are basically going at each other in a proxy war. The Pentagon has

00:25:23.700 decided to erode and deplete our own weapons supplies in order to degrade Russia's military,

00:25:31.860 as Secretary Lloyd Austin stated. And Biden confirmed that we are supposed to keep helping them,

00:25:40.180 and I already lost count the billions of dollars of US taxpayers' hard-earned money that we are pumping

00:25:47.220 into Ukraine. Biden has opened a spigot basically indefinitely. And so the two tigers, right, the two

00:25:56.820 most aggressive adversaries of the United States are now, I'm sorry, of China, right? Russia in the United 0.85

00:26:06.340 States are going at each other, destroying each other's capabilities. And how in the world are we

00:26:13.140 going to protect Taiwan from China? So this is a complete strategic incompetence of massive proportion

00:26:22.100 that the Biden administration is committing right here, in addition to putting us on the brink of nuclear

00:26:29.380 war as Jack's statement. You saw the preamble was the extraction from Afghanistan. Now we're seeing

00:26:37.140 the whole thing. Okay, Darren Beatty from Revolver, Jack Posobiec from Human Events Daily, the author of

00:26:43.140 Putin's playbook of Becker Koffler, all going to rejoin with us after a short commercial break.

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00:29:56.660 Warroom Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon.

00:30:01.760 Okay, welcome back. We have Posobiec, we have Beattie, we have Rebecca Koffler. I'm going to go

00:30:07.460 back to Darren Beattie. Darren, you said we are leaping into Armageddon.

00:30:12.540 That's a pretty bold statement coming from you, Darren Beattie. I'm going to bring you on,

00:30:16.560 give your response. Let's hear your thoughts. And then we're going to bring up both Posobiec and

00:30:21.100 Koffler. We want to have a little more of an open conversation. So what do you mean leaping into

00:30:25.440 Armageddon, sir, with what's happened over the last 72 hours?

00:30:29.660 Well, I mean, there's been major escalatory events. And I encourage everyone, go to revolver.news. We have

00:30:37.740 a white-hot piece on this very issue that looks into historical precedents, including a war between

00:30:44.800 the not-yet-empire of Russia and Sweden that has a lot of interesting parallels to our situation

00:30:52.020 today. But to get back to the question of whether this is a strategic victory for Putin,

00:31:00.360 I'd have to say I don't really entirely agree with your other guest on that matter. I think it's been,

00:31:09.380 this whole situation has been strategically calamitous for Putin and Russia. Putin's

00:31:17.220 playing the hand that he has now. But if you look at-

00:31:21.800 Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How can you say that? He just annexed a third of the country 0.92

00:31:27.820 that he was going in to do. He just annexed it with an overwhelming plebiscite and is daring the

00:31:33.900 West to do anything about it. And at least today, unless I'm missing it, the West look is feckless.

00:31:40.700 NATO look weak. The guy sent a message, hey, thanks for the application. We'll get back to you.

00:31:46.680 And Biden said, hey, we'll defend to the death every inch of NATO territory. He emphasized NATO

00:31:52.320 territory. How can Zelensky and these guys, on what level do you say it's not a major strategic win?

00:31:59.960 That's a great question. And let me preface it by saying many, I assume your listeners know,

00:32:06.840 I'm no fanboy for what I call the globalist American empire. Neither am I a fanboy for NATO.

00:32:13.020 So I'm not a fanboy for NATO.

00:32:15.240 I don't think we need an introduction to that. I think people, I think I did say Darren Beattie

00:32:20.780 of Revolver, didn't I? I think they know that, right? Tucker's wingman, let's say that.

00:32:25.540 But I have to be forthcoming about my objective assessment of the matter. And yes, Russia got to

00:32:36.600 annex some territories in the eastern part of Ukraine. We'll see ultimately how that

00:32:42.840 develops. But the question is, at what cost? Early on in this conflict, Revolver ran a bunch of

00:32:50.060 articles basically drawing parallels between the cancellation machinery visited on domestic

00:32:56.880 dissidents in the United States and the geopolitical cancellation machinery that's been marshaled against

00:33:03.140 Russia, which is absolutely severe. Russia has functionally become a global pariah on an order 0.85

00:33:10.680 that's virtually unprecedented in modern history. Hold it, hold it. Are you, hang over a second,

00:33:16.140 whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. They are partners now with probably the most powerful,

00:33:22.020 if you line up NATO in the United States versus what they have in the Eurasian landmass, the Chinese

00:33:26.840 Communist Party, North Korea, Pakistan, the mullahs in Iran, and let's throw in Erdogan in Turkey,

00:33:33.880 who's really their partner, and Russia on the Eurasian landmass. And by the way, all the Central

00:33:39.500 Asian countries are going to fall in with that. We're around the periphery with NATO in the United

00:33:45.120 States. How can they, they're a pariah in the third world. People are backing them nonstop. The 0.99

00:33:51.060 one belt won all the sub-Saharan Africa, even Latin America. Nobody's out there saying, and so I don't,

00:33:57.220 yeah, they're pariahs in Davos, they're pariahs in Brussels, they're pariah in London, they're pariah

00:34:02.760 in Washington, D.C., in New York, of which they were beforehand. I'm saying today, how can you not

00:34:08.060 say this is a, I'm missing something, and you're a brilliant guy. So, and I'm not rooting for Russia 0.97

00:34:13.680 at all. I think the KGB guys are as bad as they get, but my point is, I have argued for years,

00:34:17.860 the Chinese Communist Party is our existential threat, and we have force, because of our fecklessness, 0.98

00:34:24.500 haplessness, and incompetence, and malfeasance force these guys into a partnership that's going

00:34:30.320 to have implications for a hundred years. Right now, she just said it, the Shanghai

00:34:34.180 Cooperation Organization is now, I mean, it's the Mullahs in Iran, it's, you got Persia, Russia,

00:34:40.660 and China, three ancient civilizations that have now partnered against the West. How can you say

00:34:45.560 that this is a major strategic defeat for Russia? It may end up being, but as we sit here on the last

00:34:51.920 day of the third quarter, in 20, year of our Lord, 2022, it don't look like it to me, sir.

00:34:59.600 Okay, but you'll have to give me a couple minutes to run through it without, without interruption to

00:35:04.500 make the case. Just give me two minutes. Okay, we'll give it, but I got, hold it, two minutes,

00:35:08.860 then I got, I'm gonna let Pasovic and Koffler come in at two, because this is good. Go ahead, sir.

00:35:12.460 Okay, so the question is, Russia before this special operation, Russia after. You have to look at the

00:35:18.980 state of its alliances, the state of its financial position, the state of its political position.

00:35:23.900 It's basically been entirely canceled by all of the Western infrastructure, entirely canceled

00:35:31.100 financially, canceled politically and otherwise, and made a global pariah, with the exception of

00:35:37.420 the countries that you mentioned, and I'm going to address those soon. So for the, for, you know,

00:35:43.020 Russia and China always had an interesting sort of strategic calculus with one another.

00:35:48.200 There are always going to be dimensions in which they cooperate and places where they have,

00:35:53.980 you know, competing interests. What happened, though, is that by Russia getting totally slammed

00:36:01.000 by the entire Western architecture, it put Russia in a very vulnerable position where it was basically

00:36:07.700 forced to crawl into China's arms as a very weak junior partner. It eliminated whatever Russia had in 0.81

00:36:17.300 terms of leverage to negotiate its future relationship with China on stronger terms.

00:36:23.080 Now it's a very, very junior partner, and there's nothing they can do about it because China is the 1.00

00:36:28.580 only lifeline they have. Plus, China is not. 0.65

00:36:32.140 Yeah, but you assumed they weren't, but they weren't, they weren't a senior partner at the beginning.

00:36:36.060 The reason they had to crawl back to China and we shouldn't have done it is their tank column 1.00

00:36:39.800 didn't take Kiev, right? Hang on a second, Darren, because we love you and they have tremendous,

00:36:44.080 hang on, hang on one second. Let me bring Pesovic in for a couple of minutes and then Rebecca,

00:36:48.340 because this is getting hot as we wanted to hear in the warm Pesovic.

00:36:51.560 Your assessment of Darren Beattie's analysis, sir.

00:36:55.720 Well, I certainly understand what Darren's saying. Of course, it's the financial weight of China

00:37:01.860 that's given them any kind of lifeline. And Steve, you yourself pointed out that it was

00:37:06.000 Xi Jinping that underwrote this entire thing. They would not be doing this without the underwriting

00:37:11.160 of Xi Jinping. It's the only lifeline insurance policy that they have left, selling their oil to

00:37:16.960 Xi, selling their oil to eventually India, who they're also building a pipeline with. They would 0.87

00:37:21.720 not be able to do that otherwise. Now, with this idea of, and Putin mentioned it in his speech as

00:37:26.960 well, he said, I wanted a pan-European ideal. That was the point of Nord Stream. The idea was that

00:37:35.140 Russia and possibly Europe would be able to, you know, come back together again. Because there's

00:37:40.500 always been sort of these two Russias, right? There's European Russia and there's Asian Russia and

00:37:45.200 the Euro Mountain, split them in between. Yes. And it goes all the way back to Peter the Great, 0.90

00:37:49.580 Peter the Great, who rebuilt, you know, a one-for-one almost replica of Versailles.

00:37:54.600 That's my debate. That's my debate. That's my debate with Dugan. That's my debate with Dugan.

00:37:59.840 They get this Eurasian landmass of, you know, certain guys like Dugan, you know, and the

00:38:06.460 St. Petersburg crowd sees it as a European nation and combined with Europe.

00:38:10.900 Well, Stephen, hang on. We'll get to that. Do they look east or do they look west? That's the

00:38:15.700 debate. Do they look east or do they look west? Well, he just said that West shut the door. Real

00:38:19.980 quickly before I go to Rebecca, do you agree with Darren that this is a strategic, I don't say

00:38:24.240 defeat, but not a strategic victory? As we sit here on the last day of the third quarter, as Putin's 0.89

00:38:29.920 seen it, with all the problems he's got, financial, all that, with Europe shivering and going to be

00:38:35.580 kowtowing to him for the gas, is this a strategic defeat in the annexation of these provinces?

00:38:42.320 I think it's a mixed bag. I think it's mixed. I think he was not able to be shut out, obviously,

00:38:48.520 of Ukraine completely, which is what Zelensky and Biden, Blinken, have all been trying to say

00:38:52.720 while Biden is drooling. I mean, he's out there threatening tactical nuclear strikes while Biden

00:38:57.420 is dribbling into his creamed beets every morning. You know that Jill's spoon feeding him over there.

00:39:02.120 That being said, to Darren's point, they did also lose their leverage with Europe,

00:39:07.720 a massive part of their leverage with Europe, which is going to be an issue for them.

00:39:11.000 How did they lose their leverage? Please tell me how they lose their leverage. Okay, stop.

00:39:15.040 Their leverage with Europe is sitting at the bottom of the Baltic.

00:39:17.960 We tried to destroy. It's sitting at the bottom of the Baltic. Go take a look.

00:39:23.100 Look, okay, I know you're a naval officer, so am I, but they'll give up the Baltic fleet.

00:39:28.100 Listen, the West went in the first 30 or 60 days of the war and tried to destroy the central bank

00:39:36.000 of Russia. They tried to destroy the ruble. We did more economic warfare in the first 100 days

00:39:42.140 of this war than we did against the Nazis the entire time. We never tried to set down the central

00:39:47.080 bank of Germany during World War II, and we let the Germans, the Germans, we didn't try to destroy

00:39:52.200 the German currency, and we didn't even stop them taking their cash out and putting it in Switzerland.

00:39:55.980 They did more against Russia, and he kind of powered through it. They kind of powered through 0.70

00:40:00.100 it because he had the natural gas.

00:40:02.540 Steve, Lord Hastings Isley, the first Secretary General of NATO, and they asked him, they said,

00:40:06.540 what's the point of NATO? And he was very British, remember? And he had a very distinct answer,

00:40:11.640 infamous answer. He said, the point of NATO is this, to keep the Americans in, to keep the Russians

00:40:16.780 out, and to keep the Germans down. And if you look at what's happened, this follows every single 0.96

00:40:24.320 leg of the three legs of that statement.

00:40:28.500 Okay, let me go to Rebecca Koffler. Rebecca, Strategic, you study these guys inside the,

00:40:33.260 but when they're sitting there tonight drinking the cold vodka, do they think it's with all the

00:40:37.540 problems they got? Do you think they're sitting there going strategic win, or do you agree with

00:40:41.740 Darren Beatty that they've been shut out, they're a pariah, they got bigger problems, and this is

00:40:46.000 something they never, they never thought in six months or eight months into this war they'd be here,

00:40:50.980 ma'am. Well, I respectfully disagree with Darren. I believe the Russians view it as a strategic win,

00:40:58.840 and Putin has made a very calculated decision looking into the future, because losing leverage

00:41:05.820 with the Europeans was just a matter of time. Putin and his regime, all of the Syloviki, which by the 1.00

00:41:13.600 way, they support him 100%, right? They look at it this way. Basically, in the future, they view China and

00:41:26.740 Asia as their strongest partner. Russia has concluded that regardless of who is in charge in the White House,

00:41:35.660 whether it's Democrats or Republicans, we will still continue to fight them for control over the

00:41:44.240 Eurasian territory, which Russia views as a security perimeter on which it relied for centuries. And given

00:41:52.760 that right now, with the absorption of the Baltics into NATO, the distance between NATO forces and Moscow and

00:42:01.240 St. Petersburg has reduced from 1,000 miles to 1,300 miles back into the Cold War to 100 to 300 miles,

00:42:13.340 right? So that's a distance that's shorter than between Washington and New York. And so for Putin,

00:42:20.840 it's unacceptable. And that's why he kept saying it's a red line, it's a red line, it's a red line. And

00:42:25.380 finally, he enforced it today, by annexing this, this territory. So back into the China 0.95

00:42:34.660 point. So everything that Putin does, right, he has China in the back of his mind, because Russia

00:42:44.320 considers China as its geopolitical threat number two in the long term. Yes, they're presenting it to 0.97

00:42:51.460 the world. And they they are united. Is BD right? Is BD right? He's BD right that he's now the junior

00:43:01.040 partner and had to kind of go crawling on his knees to be the junior partner of Xi? Not quite, not not

00:43:07.880 quite. Here's why. I guess he's somewhat of a junior partner because Chinese economies and, you know,

00:43:15.360 is an upward trajectory and demographics. Russia's is on the down. But look at it this way. So China 0.93

00:43:22.460 and Russia share a 26 mile long border, right? And Putin is just showing 2,600 miles, 26, 20,

00:43:34.280 2,600, 2,600. I'm sorry if I said something different. So, so Putin just stated that he will use,

00:43:43.740 right? Nuclear, low yield nuclear weapons. He, they developed a very specific low yield nuclear

00:43:51.620 warhead that they believe is usable. That is, you know, under one kiloton compared to what we used

00:43:59.580 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which was 15 kiloton. And even then within a year, the cities went back to

00:44:07.440 life, right? So this is why Putin today, as Jack pointed it out, reminded us that the United States

00:44:13.640 is the one that set this precedent. Well, he's signaling to Xi. He's signaling to Xi. And this

00:44:21.180 is exactly why he developed the capability. And that's the capability that right now we don't have

00:44:27.220 because whatever President Trump authorized, the low yield nuclear tipped cruise missiles,

00:44:32.900 sea launch, Biden canceled it. So he's signaling to both, to us and to China. That's how far he's

00:44:40.960 willing to escalate. Okay. Hang on, hang on, hang on. I got to bring in Darren Beattie. Darren, I need,

00:44:48.080 I want you to come in hot and respond to all this. One thing I also, if, if Koffler and Posobiec have

00:44:52.560 taught me anything, is that Russia thinks in historical precedent, that there's a continuity of the way

00:44:58.320 they think, the ruling elites, although they overthrew the czars, they still think like this. And so

00:45:02.940 your, your Swedish and your Russian analysis, maybe. Maybe. So Darren, come in, come in, Darren,

00:45:13.940 come in hot and respond to both Koffler and Posobiec, sir. So I'll just sort of state my case

00:45:22.400 in the simplest terms possible. The question of whether Russia and Putin are in a better position

00:45:28.920 now than before the so-called special operation can be evaluated according to three dimensions,

00:45:36.760 the internal situation within Russia, the situation between Russia and Europe, the situation between

00:45:46.420 Russia and China, and I'll add a fourth between Russia and the United States. So let's take China 0.90

00:45:51.780 first. As I mentioned, just the nature of the situation is such that Russia is always going to be 1.00

00:45:58.340 a junior partner. But the question is how junior? There's a spectrum there. And the fact that Russia

00:46:04.700 became a global pariah from the standpoint of basically the entire Western economic structure

00:46:12.100 really severely crippled Russia's leverage with which it can make any kinds of arrangements with

00:46:18.900 China. They're literally their only lifeline in the lifeboat. And given how much they need China, 0.62

00:46:24.800 China has not actually been that solicitous in terms of what it's provided Russia both publicly

00:46:31.120 and privately. And so I think Russia's position with respect to China is weaker than it was before

00:46:37.420 the special operation. Let's look at Russia's position with respect to Europe. Jack put it beautifully.

00:46:44.100 Where's their leverage over Europe? It's sitting at the bottom of the Baltic. Literally,

00:46:49.220 the biggest piece of leverage that Russia has over Europe was energy. And by the fact that the United

00:46:56.500 States and its NATO proxies destroyed this piece of infrastructure makes it just tremendously worse

00:47:05.440 in terms of its position over Europe. Its leverage is gone. Zero. It doesn't exist. And for all the talk

00:47:11.860 about how Putin's being bold and doing this and that, Putin's not being bold at all. Let me remind

00:47:19.200 you what I just said. The U.S. and its NATO proxies basically declared war on Russia by destroying

00:47:27.480 Nord Stream and Putin's done nothing about it. And furthermore, let's look at the situation between

00:47:33.800 the United States and Russia. The United States got away with what it wanted all along was the destruction 0.89

00:47:39.380 of Nord Stream 2. Russia's not doing anything about it. And Europe's not doing anything about it.

00:47:45.800 If it was sort of an unspoken, tacit understanding before, it's now plain for everyone to see that there

00:47:53.440 are no genuinely sovereign countries in Europe. Europe is a vassal state. Europe is a slave state of

00:48:00.560 the United States. And Putin, in his speech, basically tried to shame them for doing that. The only problem is

00:48:05.640 the Germans have no shame. They have no pride. They have no underlying sense that they deserve to be 1.00

00:48:11.940 a sovereign nation. And that's why they're going to keep the tail between the legs and pretend like

00:48:18.080 nothing happened. On every single dimension that's centralized, Russia's in a worse position. I think

00:48:24.580 it's common sense. Okay, good. Hang on. I've only got a minute for each. Rebecca, only a minute to wrap

00:48:32.600 up. We're going to put up a link to Putin's A Secret Plan, Putin's Playbook. Real quickly,

00:48:39.560 your assessment of where Russia stands tonight as we close the show, ma'am.

00:48:44.780 Okay. I just want to point out, it is my professional intelligence assessment that it is Russia

00:48:50.560 that destroyed its own Nord Stream. I have an editorial coming out tomorrow at 7 a.m. on Fox

00:48:57.120 News, giving five top reasons. But I'm just going to mention one real quick. The Nord Stream pipelines

00:49:04.380 were not revenue producing at this point. The revenue is being replaced with $55 billion joint

00:49:11.420 Russia-China pipeline called the Power of Siberia and by other export earnings. Okay. And then you can,

00:49:18.640 so right now- I tell you what, I tell you what, hang on, hang on. I'm going to leave everybody,

00:49:23.420 hang on, hang on. I'm going to leave everybody hanging because I'm running out of time. We're

00:49:27.280 going to have you on about your piece on Fox tomorrow morning with our morning show. We're

00:49:33.340 going to be live. So you just hang on. Rebecca Koffler, Putin's Playbook. Everybody can get it.

00:49:39.920 Posobiec, you got 60 seconds, sir. Give me your assessment.

00:49:42.640 Well, I just go back to what I said before. I think Russia's leverage over Europe is completely

00:49:49.400 lying at the bottom of the Black Sea right now. I was at the Helsinki summit with President Trump

00:49:54.720 and Vladimir Putin. And this was the single biggest point of contention at that summit. Of course,

00:50:00.060 Jim Acosta and others couldn't understand what was going on around them because they don't

00:50:03.320 understand geopolitics. But the idea was, it's always been about who's going to sell fuel to Europe.

00:50:10.240 And at the end of the day, the Russians are- By the way, it's the Baltic, the Baltic, 0.80

00:50:13.860 the Baltic, not the black. I know you know that. There's a slip of time. We're going to be back

00:50:17.760 tomorrow. I'm going to pick this up. I'm going to reach out to Posobiec and reach out to Beattie.

00:50:22.100 We're going to try and get him on. We'll definitely have Rebecca Koffler on. I'll be at American Freedom

00:50:25.560 Alliance talking about geopolitics and the World Economic Forum in Davos, where they try to arrest

00:50:32.760 Jack Posobiec. Darren Beattie, thank you very much. Rebecca Koffler, thank you. Hopefully see you guys

00:50:37.860 tomorrow. Where? On the Saturday edition of The Word.

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WarRoom Battleground EP 149： Beattie, Posobiec, Koffler： Russia Annexes Parts Of Ukraine Just Before Winter

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