Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 186： A Night Of Thanksgiving

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00:00:47.280 okay welcome uh to battleground this is our thanksgiving season special and i've asked dave

00:00:57.240 bratt uh the dean of business school of liberty university to join me here uh tomorrow of course

00:01:03.120 on thanksgiving morning we're going to have um a two-hour special and i've got uh larry swiker

00:01:09.460 the author the co-author of the patriots history of america that's joining me there and going to

00:01:14.960 go through uh some uh the background history motives of thanksgiving by s dave bratt dave you're down at

00:01:22.640 liberty i would argue that liberty is the leading if not one of the leading christian universities

00:01:29.680 in this nation also a huge believer in what your name says liberty that's the entire focus of the

00:01:36.040 program down there it's what reverend falwell uh wanted when he started that as a very small

00:01:42.200 college now it's a major university and what people i think don't realize is the reach you guys have

00:01:47.220 internationally i think somebody told me one time you have a hundred thousand students

00:01:51.380 through your uh remote learning program that's just absolutely incredible so for liberty from your

00:01:57.140 perspective um in liberties walk me through thanksgiving yeah well i'm glad to have your

00:02:05.080 you're having a uh patriot's guide to thanksgiving and the judeo-christian west because that will

00:02:10.560 actually be the proper history of the u.s and so i just kind of want to go through the basic

00:02:16.860 basics on thanksgiving and why i'm i'm utterly thankful i wake up uh with my health and things

00:02:23.160 we all take for granted uh in the u.s we still have first world problems we're fighting to preserve

00:02:28.880 those first world problems uh but when you think to thanksgiving everybody of course goes to the

00:02:34.280 pilgrims and the uh the mayflower compact and coming over half the people died on the voyage over

00:02:39.700 uh there's a modern historical debate on why they came over uh when you cross the sea for three months

00:02:45.720 uh it's not for uh minerals etc right they uh they were uh came out of uh amsterdam to uk and set out

00:02:56.540 for the u.s uh for religious reasons and so when they got there and they set up the traditions that uh

00:03:03.640 set up our country on the right footing and we can get to those later uh they gave thanks to god

00:03:09.820 and so we uh we go by that way too fast right in modern parlance then we get to the turkey real quick

00:03:16.560 and all that which is great uh but it's thanksgiving to god uh for god's divine providence

00:03:22.620 uh and those faithful people suffered like we cannot imagine suffering but through their faithfulness

00:03:30.520 uh they set up the the new jerusalem uh that we have had the privilege of living in

00:03:37.220 and now uh the the numbers are going down right the judeo-christian tradition the percentage of

00:03:43.440 christians are going down uh but i just want to encourage people right when the numbers go down

00:03:48.360 uh that's not a call to give up that's a call to for the faithful to be even more faithful you look at

00:03:55.140 a small number of pilgrims that came over and founded just a a new creation and so i just want to go

00:04:02.540 just keep drilling down on it why were they thankful right they weren't thankful for you know a

00:04:07.000 corn harvest which was more in abundance than they expected and they were able to share uh finally

00:04:13.540 some of a good bounteous year with the indian friends they made uh and uh you know that's the

00:04:19.960 story but they were truly thankful to god almighty for for his providence bringing them over but more

00:04:25.100 thankful in a christian tradition for for jesus christ and the work he did on the cross right

00:04:30.960 so that's the utter thankfulness right everybody knows we're all sinful uh i i'm proud of this show

00:04:37.720 for acknowledging reality on that score and so the death and resurrection of jesus christ is the

00:04:46.200 moment in the christian history of course for which we are utterly thankful and then the rest of the

00:04:52.280 judeo-christian west comes out of that and i say the judeo-christian west because in the hebrew

00:04:58.320 scriptures of course the central event of the hebrew scriptures is the exodus uh which resulted

00:05:03.560 in freedom uh from bondage and from the pharaoh etc and it's it's so central they say when your son and

00:05:09.580 now your daughters come to you uh because the daughters are now part of our modern government

00:05:13.940 uh and they tell them tell you what should we say to our sons you you should tell them hero israel the

00:05:21.060 lord our god is one he delivered us out of land of bondage uh into the promised land flowing with milk

00:05:27.260 honey uh and so that judeo-christian tradition uh has a few components that i want to just go over

00:05:35.700 with you i know you're well acquainted with all of them but first and foremost is the belief in a

00:05:40.280 transcendent realm hang on hang on hang on before we get ho ho ho hang on whoa whoa hang on slow down

00:05:48.140 before you get there why were they called the separate i want to go back so people understand about

00:05:53.700 the the lived experience of these people they the the um the church of england was formed in in part of

00:06:01.020 the reformation by henry the eighth because of a host of reasons henry eighth and the wanting assets

00:06:05.760 etc but one of it was they wanted more control of the church by the political authorities in england

00:06:12.540 so you had anglican church was very catholic in its services and and and much of it except that the

00:06:19.260 it the archbishop of canterbury reported to uh the the the king um the pilgrims and the or the

00:06:28.120 puritans of the pilgrims rejected catholicism but they also reject rejected the anglican church

00:06:34.680 and they were more congregational in other words they were more uh from the grassroots up they they

00:06:41.320 did not they did not want a hierarchy in their church tell us about the puritans and tell us about

00:06:46.420 the pilgrims because their beliefs were so powerful so strong that it was able to get them through uh

00:06:53.960 just horrific conditions horrific conditions on the sea voyage the 50 of the people dying barely

00:06:59.880 hanging on to the small coastal community this had a tiny foothold in a hostile you know primeval

00:07:07.060 forest right and able to hang on because of this deep belief that this was the new jerusalem so walk me

00:07:14.120 through who were they and tell me about their religious beliefs yeah well i think i think that

00:07:20.040 the major major revolution uh which stands uh right underneath them and right before them was uh

00:07:27.720 gutenberg and the printing press right and then you have the the protestant reformation

00:07:31.720 and sola scriptura you know the bible is the key and if you look at any of those pictures of the

00:07:37.760 pilgrims and and the history the the guys you'll have on and the women experts you'll have on

00:07:43.460 uh they'll check these people were people of the book for real i mean they knew the book they taught

00:07:48.800 the book and once you read the book it's very liberating and so the catholic church has a rich

00:07:55.220 tradition you're saying you're saying you're saying you're saying you're saying you're saying that the

00:07:59.640 gutenberg bible was that they could actually print the bible in the language of the people not the

00:08:05.780 vulgate latin of kind of the uh elites of the of the catholic church that you're everybody knew how to

00:08:11.840 speak latin but you actually got it in your native tongue whether that was german or whatever that

00:08:16.440 that revolution you're saying caused a revolution that led to the reformation and led to this kind of

00:08:22.660 different aspect of christianity yeah yeah and you know that the catholic church and the protestants

00:08:28.860 still share you know the apostles created the bible uh the nicene creed all these uh formal statements

00:08:34.940 of the faith uh are shared but the governance right peace and and you know we're all fallen people all

00:08:41.600 churches are fallen but there were debates over church governance and monopolies right i'm in general

00:08:46.200 not against monopolies in the corporate sector uh etc and so you've got good popes and you got bad

00:08:53.120 popes etc and you got central command and then in england you had the church and the founders you know

00:08:59.760 that's one of the hugest misconceptions over here this separation of church and state what they all

00:09:04.900 meant back then was they just did not want a monopoly church they wanted the freedom uh to choose the

00:09:11.780 church they wanted uh because in the jewish and the christian tradition it's vertical right it the

00:09:18.900 relationship is between you and god and as later folks luther the bondage of the will or even kant in

00:09:25.600 the secular tradition kant would go to say and he was a son of a pietist minister very religious you'll

00:09:30.680 never hear that these days but he said in secular terms the only thing that is categorically good

00:09:36.440 is the good will and the only one who knows the heart and your will uh is god almighty right and so you

00:09:44.280 can put on you know an act and machiavelli and all these guys would say to put on an act and you know

00:09:49.680 that sets up the modern world we're all living in it's hard to determine who the good guys and who the bad

00:09:53.660 guys are on a certain day uh but that freedom to read the book interpret it for yourself have your

00:09:58.480 own preacher uh and then ed christian education of course blew up right harvard was founded not too

00:10:05.260 far uh distant 1640 by john harvard a puritan uh trained in at cambridge a christian university that

00:10:14.500 was founded by the catholics and so uh you just get this historical continuity that i just want

00:10:20.980 everybody that doesn't know this story to encourage the young ones at home to get all over this if you

00:10:27.240 don't know every name i'm naming this is just the 101 course right you got to have this stuff down

00:10:33.380 cold uh to be an informed american this tradition has given you all the great uh universities all the

00:10:42.180 great hospitals all the great culture music art everything it's not some god of the gaps uh this

00:10:49.940 judeo-christian tradition is the west which founded science and freedom and the constitution

00:10:55.320 and everything we take for granted we just think it came easily uh in this modern world and there

00:11:00.940 were tremendous price paid for each of those moves

00:11:03.740 walk me through this concept you said they came here and they one of the reasons they sacrificed

00:11:10.300 they thought they were founding they thank divine providence right and one of the things they thank

00:11:16.120 for is that they believed and there was a very small number these people it was not a large number

00:11:20.300 but they believed they were founding a new jerusalem what does the concept of new jerusalem uh mean

00:11:25.840 yeah well it's uh if you you know it's the it's the third temple uh for the for the for the jewish

00:11:33.220 people uh where in the christian terms you're waiting for the uh the the coming of of christ uh the the

00:11:40.480 the next the second coming of christ uh but the new jerusalem uh just stands for god's ultimate

00:11:47.160 uh sovereignty and providence and promises uh for redemption where you can live out uh the law

00:11:56.560 in freedom uh worshiping uh god almighty right and you know the the founders uh were were geniuses and

00:12:06.060 were great they may have made a mistake uh they made the the sovereign in our constitution is we

00:12:13.320 the people right and this is right aligned with that they they gave sovereignty to we the people

00:12:18.880 with under the assumption that this judeo-christian tradition was so strong it could never falter uh and

00:12:26.320 now it's faltering right in our major ivy league institutions that call themselves elite uh they cannot

00:12:33.440 answer the fundamental question why is there something instead of nothing right they can't

00:12:39.140 answer the the primary what is ethics what is morality what is freedom is there freedom are we

00:12:45.000 locked in a deterministic uh void of newtonian mechanics uh or do we is there a realm of transcendence

00:12:52.560 and a realm of freedom and a realm of morality and this isn't new to me i'm not making this stuff up

00:13:00.260 right this is the judeo-christian west from moses uh to jesus to plato and the greek plato had the

00:13:08.600 transcendent uh without which you do not get morality and without which you do not get freedom

00:13:15.200 and then of course that continues into great philosophers like kant uh who was awoken from his

00:13:21.240 dogmatic slumbers uh by david hume who was an empiricist and they were serious back then right but

00:13:28.380 he so he was locked into newtonian mechanics uh which does if you're a straight empiricist and

00:13:34.460 knowledge is limited only to sense perception there's no realm there's no possibility for moral

00:13:41.000 freedom there's no realm for a transcendent god there's no room for morality and so the smart

00:13:46.460 people out there right that the folks in the suburbs i hope i'm hitting right now who think they know this

00:13:51.620 stuff uh but if you don't know where the sense of transcendence comes from uh you got some homework

00:13:57.920 to do and everybody believes it right at the time you're born uh you see the miracle everybody knows

00:14:05.360 that's a miracle uh when it's time to die everybody knows uh time to focus a little bit right uh everybody

00:14:13.360 knows there's an up and there's a down a deep in their souls uh but in the meantime we uh we create

00:14:19.420 false gods that we look at in the mirror all day long and so uh this country has been given all of

00:14:26.420 this tradition uh which has been examined by the greatest minds uh in theology and philosophy and

00:14:33.220 it's the only uh system left standing and i think that drives some folks on the but but but but but

00:14:40.960 but hang on a second hang on a second yeah you talked about the the um the products of the

00:14:47.060 judeo-christian west and how today people have taken it for granted and they think it was too easy

00:14:51.960 but all the great architecture and art and music and literature and philosophy is all informed

00:14:58.300 it came from that framework of the universities in the learning and this is why i want to go back to

00:15:04.340 the puritans and the pilgrims and why that voyage is so important such an inflection point in human

00:15:12.060 history of all the stuff that's going on it's one of the most important things and they're hanging on

00:15:15.980 barely in that vast wilderness in the in the deprivations they had in those first couple of

00:15:22.800 years and then the the the the um the act of thanksgiving they would say to you dave brad yes the

00:15:31.560 art the architecture the uh literature the music yes that forms a culture and civilization but we

00:15:39.960 reject that in fact if you look to them day one the concepts in america today of the modern world

00:15:45.340 modernity is the mainstream these people are outside the mainstream you know these deplorables are

00:15:50.180 outside the mainstream you could not get more outside the mainstream england was a christian nation it had

00:15:58.340 a state church that state church had the anglican church if you just go go back to the queen's burial

00:16:05.620 of all the pageantry and all the music and how beautiful it was and how everything that

00:16:11.200 the pilgrims are the puritans absolutely totally rejected not only did they reject essentially

00:16:17.620 because they were part of cromwell's uh you know the the what informed or the basis of the civil war

00:16:24.180 of rejection of even the cavaliers which essentially was jamestown the freebooters the entrepreneurs that

00:16:29.840 entrepreneurial spirit of the english the freebooter spirit of the english the pirate spirit of of drake

00:16:36.140 and all the you know great english sea captains right they rejected that they rejected your

00:16:41.480 theory of art they rejected your theory of of the fact they said all of the forms of this

00:16:46.000 they they were the ones about the stripping of the altars not like henry the eighth to basically steal

00:16:50.460 the assets of the church for himself for more uh of his personal depravity right but these were

00:16:57.520 these were people you couldn't even have i think it may say they didn't want to cross on the altar

00:17:01.860 and they wanted a they had a they had a such a a um a austere view of their religion and if you and

00:17:12.800 what strikes me is that i'm not sure that you could have survived up in massachusetts in those winters

00:17:21.460 to actually form this that um that you know unless you had that intense intense belief that you had the

00:17:31.660 answer and that answer rejected you just once again remember in all the beauty of english society that

00:17:37.420 we know and everything's been passed down in the pageantry and the great literature and everything

00:17:40.720 that informed our mother country our revolution was against kind of the economics and the in the

00:17:45.460 politics of it all the the oligarchs and the landed gentry and and how that this what these people at

00:17:51.360 our bases rejected the thing itself right and that's why they became their their their pilgrimage

00:17:57.080 is actually a world historical event they bred

00:18:01.660 yeah well they're they're the most serious of the most serious uh real deal christians right uh all

00:18:08.960 over the scripture right with the jewish people all the way up to jesus uh and and the teachings of

00:18:17.540 jesus god always chooses the lowly god god chooses the lowly and you know the the the seeming fools of

00:18:27.160 this world right that that seem uh not to understand the pageantry and all this stuff that doesn't matter

00:18:34.520 uh but their hearts are pure before god right the bible is just a continuous story of god choosing

00:18:41.340 the low over and over david david was the not the eldest son and he looks over all the samuel to anointing

00:18:50.820 king he says where is this all you got and then they pull in this ruddy little david guy and uh he's

00:18:57.400 god's anointed and uh goose up like everyone does but for for some reason and we know the reason he had

00:19:05.160 a true heart before god and so these pilgrims and the puritans who are mocked and scorned uh because they

00:19:14.240 knew what the truth was right and the and the jewish people before knew what the truth was they have

00:19:18.900 suffered and suffered over and over the the babylonian captivity for hundreds of years uh bad

00:19:26.060 kings bad choices uh and when uh nations uh turn their back on god god still loves us uh but when

00:19:34.740 you turn away from god you turn away from god and so the puritans did not they they were steel they were

00:19:41.260 made of steel in their faith something very few uh folks today right to get to that level of of faith

00:19:48.540 and determined like you're talking to be that determined uh to set up a a true uh new church

00:19:56.140 right i mean that's that's what they're going for right they're going for the the apostolic true church

00:20:01.100 right off the bat when jesus teaching doing the sermon on the mount and ethics that if you read that

00:20:06.900 right the sermon on the mount uh everyone read that try to live in that one out love your enemies

00:20:11.620 right it's man it's hard enough loving your friends on a good day right it that's some tough tough

00:20:16.900 teachings and the pilgrims believed every word of it and so yet they didn't i'm not resting my case on

00:20:23.340 the music and that culture and that's just the extra special sauce you get on top of it all uh that

00:20:29.080 comes with the rule of law and the puritans again as an example they knew that true freedom comes from

00:20:38.940 law right from obedience to god right in in the in the catholic baltimore catechism or the protestant

00:20:46.440 heidelberg catechism which no kids learn anymore no one even knows what it is anymore but uh centuries

00:20:52.180 of folks were trained in on these things and the q a the first question in both the catholic and the

00:20:56.980 protestant what is the chief end of man and the chief end of man is to glorify god and so that

00:21:04.040 it's not about me you anybody right every single thing we do here i heard a sermon last week in

00:21:10.560 church a great sermon uh even you know you have abraham isaac jacob joseph jacob was kind of a

00:21:16.800 prankster and a trickster and goofed up uh but then uh abraham isaac jacob and joseph comes along

00:21:22.800 and is uh pretty good uh in human terms and even he uh is made to live in a dungeon in a cell

00:21:33.140 after he lives a god life turns down the queen of egypt uh and her advances and uh delivers prophecies

00:21:41.760 but the guys forget about him he spends another seven years in there but out of him and his suffering

00:21:46.680 and his faith uh comes israel and moses and the judeo-christian west right so it's it's very hard

00:21:55.640 for us moderns right we i'm an economist i like calculating what's what's the benefit what's the

00:22:00.540 happiness to me right now uh god's time ain't that time and the uh the pilgrims knew it they knew it

00:22:07.520 wasn't about being rich and and having all the uh the the the you know all the wealth and all the

00:22:15.500 things that come with it right they knew what really constitutes life uh on this planet and that's

00:22:21.880 obedience and happiness in god right it's not a down story it's a story of freedom

00:22:28.500 uh and salvation and so they they were utterly thankful and they wanted to set up an order based

00:22:34.740 on that happiness talk about the the thanksgiving you're saying they didn't the the popular opinion

00:22:42.400 is that they had a couple of bad winners and then uh was it squanto came up and he spoke english because

00:22:48.520 he had learned it from a merchant man and he'd actually gone to england i think as a slave and

00:22:52.840 you know and he's with one tribe and there's a huge alliance very complex there's a very complex

00:22:58.800 alliance system and they were always at war with each other and they didn't see the whites as something

00:23:03.620 they should fear they saw the whites as a potential ally um but and then they held on and they had

00:23:09.140 surplus in one year and they decided to give thanks to god you're saying that's not actually the case

00:23:14.600 that that is a simplistic notion it wasn't about the surplus of their bounty of of of the farming

00:23:20.880 techniques that squanto taught them and this whole concept that they started as marxist and communists

00:23:26.420 and they actually went to individual um you know plots and the young men who have been kind of laying

00:23:32.040 around got got more engaged you're saying they gave thanks for something deeper than that what what

00:23:37.080 is your theory of the case yeah a good theory right so you can go into sociology and psychology and

00:23:44.980 economics and and stay about as deep as a waiting pool right those are secondary effects uh but if you

00:23:52.660 want to look at this system right their system is very well laid out it's called judeo-christian

00:23:59.060 theology right and it had been around for you know 3 000 years already and uh it it was getting more and

00:24:07.420 more developed with the reformation and the printing press and the reading etc but the uh that's what i was

00:24:14.320 getting at in terms of the the first principle of why we're all on the planet in the judeo-christian

00:24:20.660 tradition is to give glory to god every day for everything we have and the rest are afterthoughts

00:24:27.480 right some smart people on the bible have said if you if you had all the host of characters in the

00:24:32.460 bible uh without god uh it'd be uh you know a nice read of some history but there's nothing to it

00:24:41.160 right the whole point of the biblical narrative is from abraham abraham wasn't even jewish yet and he

00:24:47.280 got a call out of the land of ur and god calls him it says get up and take your whole family and out of

00:24:53.320 faith he does this right like the pilgrim and then right on abraham isaac just tremendous tremendous

00:25:01.100 uh sacrifice and then moses was placed in a high spot in egypt and gave it all up and had a passion

00:25:08.140 for his people and came back and delivered them out of bondage uh and then and then jesus uh christ in

00:25:15.280 in the new testament uh is born in a manger right the whole thing is the high becomes low it's all

00:25:23.760 inverted the logic of human thinking is inverted god almighty becomes man and chooses to live in a

00:25:33.020 manger uh for his birth the king of kings right the whole thing is upside down and that's meant to be

00:25:40.020 that way because it's the only thing that'll shock us out of our comfort systems right uh we have a

00:25:46.760 you know bad election cycle or something and everybody gets all upside down and bent out of

00:25:51.340 shape god's working out his plan there ain't no thwarting that right god's at work got for the good

00:25:56.900 of of his people and the faithful it there are promises in the bible you don't know god's timing

00:26:02.900 uh but if you stick to your faith uh god will listen god hears the cries of the orphans the

00:26:09.400 widows those in prison uh and god does answer right maybe not the way we expect or the way we want

00:26:15.000 but there is an answer and so the pilgrims are living out that logic

00:26:19.740 hang on one second hey yeah hang on we're gonna i want to get to that as as a punchline when we come

00:26:27.640 back we've got dave bratt dean of the business school uh from liberty university and you know

00:26:33.980 him as the economist that comes on here talks capital markets and economics but he also understands

00:26:38.060 particularly the moral and political philosophy of the judeo-christian west we're gonna get into it

00:26:44.600 next how did these uh very austere uh pilgrims how did they how did their thinking blend with the

00:26:52.500 children of the enlightenment that led to the revolution 170 years later next in the war room

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00:29:39.920 war room battleground with stephen k bannon

00:29:50.140 okay welcome back dave bratt is our guest uh we're having some a series of specials over the next couple

00:29:59.380 days to really get to the meaning of what these holidays are about and how they inform uh the

00:30:06.100 direction of the united states of america our beloved country um this concept of meta time or

00:30:11.760 the concept of uh time and i think this is quite important for for you to take a crack at to explain

00:30:17.060 the audience the pilgrims thought in or the period and start in longer reaches of time and that was

00:30:23.220 because of their deep study of the old testament and obviously the new testament but the old testament

00:30:29.960 also talked to us about i call it meta time you know we get caught up in new cycles and what's the

00:30:35.400 latest and we're on our phones and what's up on drudge and daily mail and what's breaking on politico

00:30:41.120 and then a two-year cycle for midterms now the presidency's kind of chopped up in two-year cycles

00:30:45.580 not four-year cycles we're completely we're the slaves of time they to a degree stood and tried to

00:30:53.860 stand out of time dave brad explain that to us yeah there's a uh a built-in conflict there right god's

00:31:03.680 ways are not our ways even the most astute of the pilgrims or uh you know moses moses himself was not

00:31:11.660 allowed to see the face of god right so god is infinite it's not even a good word is the sovereign

00:31:19.280 beyond sovereigns right uh not graspable by our our tiny finite little minds right and so that said

00:31:29.140 uh the pilgrims had the right sense that history is for god it's god's history and so they knew that

00:31:36.700 and so they lived out and did their part at their time the way they saw best to glorify god

00:31:43.140 and uh and so they're a good model uh for all of us that that basic uh step toward god as the first

00:31:51.440 principle because god is god's always been the first principle in in the liberal arts since the greeks

00:31:56.520 right the the quadrivium and the tribium all of that was based on it was god-centered until very modern

00:32:03.080 times when we hit the enlightenment uh and so they they view the long run of history and the building

00:32:11.280 of the kingdom of god right so the kingdom of god is in the first place in your heart right so jesus

00:32:17.440 taught over and over and over the central teaching of the new testament spent more time on the kingdom

00:32:22.280 of god than anything right the kingdom of god is like this it's like this seed the kingdom of god is like

00:32:28.060 this it's just over and over and over so go go read on that and you'll see most of it's internal

00:32:34.660 uh but jesus had a ministry that was unique we don't have that we're not uh called to die for the

00:32:40.960 sins of the earth so there's a wonderful exchange where christ takes our place uh for our sin and we get

00:32:48.800 what's called the wonderful exchange where we get to live out life in history now and so that

00:32:54.280 does pivot and and god made that creation for a reason we're supposed to be building the kingdom

00:33:00.320 on earth so we do have a responsibility in the earthly realm as well uh where god is sovereign over

00:33:07.280 every single piece of it and the end of pilgrims knew that full and well and that's part of their

00:33:12.420 upset with the uh the english royalty and whatever uh they didn't show uh quite enough due deference to

00:33:19.020 the idea that god is sovereign over all of your wealth uh your household your family your job

00:33:25.400 choice uh your health that every every aspect of modernity that uh we we just assume uh came along

00:33:33.580 because we built it and so you're right as we we flow through time our way emmanuel kant right the

00:33:40.980 great german philosopher uh at the end of the enlightenment uh saw the this long-run arc of

00:33:49.180 history and he was not happy with what you call scientism uh this this misunderstanding uh between

00:33:58.520 rationality and reason right plato saw a lot of this with just secular glasses on right he saw the realm

00:34:07.240 of the good uh he saw a realm of transcendence of freedom of ethics of morality at console all that

00:34:13.980 and tried to uh write up a secular system uh that would embed the judeo-christian system within a

00:34:22.340 philosophy that did not degrade christians from being fully reasonable right but rationality took

00:34:31.760 over right this uh trying to reduce everything all knowledge to just our sense perceptions

00:34:37.960 so i won't get in the weeds on that but folks that are interested you can look up bertrand russell

00:34:42.680 and the logical positivists and the vienna circle and carl popper and they were at least

00:34:48.400 academically uh serious they they tried to limit all knowledge to one-on-one matching between words and

00:34:54.540 sense perception uh to get rid of god right the intent of the enlightenment was to get rid of god

00:35:00.640 that was the first and foremost goal uh and it blew up on them because they had a little problem with

00:35:06.960 this thing called science and the theoretical terms necessary to do science have you ever seen a

00:35:12.780 science if you have please let me know what it looks like uh so there's a little summary snapshot

00:35:18.820 have you ever seen a hypothesis no those are terms created that are necessary to do science okay

00:35:25.160 so so so so with this don't seem to know their own limitations

00:35:29.140 with this austere version which they think is the is lived christianity right they think this is the

00:35:37.920 version that everything else is encumbered by things that are not the thing itself and they're going to

00:35:43.760 try to live among the precepts of the new testament particularly the sermon on the mount and it's

00:35:48.480 their interpretation of the teachings of christ is that it's very austere and everything is to

00:35:53.660 is about the kingdom of heaven which is quite internal but they're trying to build a new

00:35:58.020 jerusalem here as a framework that can propagate the the the the the kingdom of heaven but 150 years

00:36:06.700 later virtually on the same spot remember plymouth is just south of of boston relatively south of boston

00:36:13.860 and boston is the in that area becomes the the the the hotbed of revolution obviously my beloved

00:36:20.600 commonwealth of virginia is is is driving this and one of it but but the the more revolutionary

00:36:27.020 fervor at first is clearly coming from boston and that's the hot hits in the in the in the british know

00:36:33.280 this right and part of this is that is the uh that kevin phillips great book the cousins war that

00:36:38.720 more of the english civil war types went to the commonwealth of massachusetts and the bay colony and more of the

00:36:44.640 cavaliers and the and the people that supported the crown went to to jamestown uh and you had more

00:36:50.400 entrepreneurs and freebooters there but 150 years after the founding which they barely hang on you

00:36:56.500 have the children of the enlightenment right that really become the forefront of of this revolution

00:37:02.220 how did that happen how did you go from this austere belief in uh in in this impuritanism as

00:37:09.420 embodied by the pilgrims to really having the enlightenment have such a massive impact

00:37:14.360 on the foundation of america and particularly its revolutionary leaders

00:37:18.660 yeah well the brief answer is genesis 3 called the fall of man and women and the the longer extended

00:37:29.780 edition is you know the entire new testament teaching of jesus and paul and everybody is you

00:37:35.460 you die to your old self and you take on the new self in christ in this higher new realm of the the

00:37:43.620 kingdom of god well that's austere that is very demanding and so how do you go from that to full-on

00:37:53.600 enlightenment and the answer is the enlightenment was hugely successful there's no doubt about it on the

00:37:59.560 materialist plane uh humanity saw economic growth of food abundance energy technological innovation

00:38:09.600 medical breakthroughs educational breakthroughs scientific breakthroughs and if you'll notice all

00:38:16.860 those things uh are lacking any understanding of human nature right so where the success happens

00:38:23.360 uh is in the material realm uh is in the material realm anything that has to do with human nature like

00:38:28.420 the politics and economics somewhat the control of power theology deeper psychology than

00:38:35.220 freud and the simplistic drives uh failed and so we're still living that out right it the abundance

00:38:43.660 delivered uh makes it very easy to get lazy and just say hey i'm working uh i got a decent job i'm making a

00:38:51.100 good check that's all there is to life uh i'm i'm doing my calculations to see how much i got in my 401k

00:38:57.900 to see when i can retire uh the choice of what i do on this earth is irrelevant uh what i counsel my kids

00:39:04.720 to do you know i want them to just make a bunch of money uh if the market price dictates you have to leave

00:39:10.000 your family in your city that's what everybody does these days and so it was it it it we just made the

00:39:17.700 modern moves uh without taking the meaningful uh analysis of life of what really matters uh into

00:39:26.660 full context and building those into our cities and our nation etc and now uh things are flying apart

00:39:32.800 right the bolts are flying off the machine and people are after covid having depression and anxiety

00:39:39.680 and all sorts of terrible issues because uh they don't know where to go right people are lost and

00:39:47.520 so you know the the church and the synagogue should be the first place of just welcoming people into this

00:39:53.920 deeper community of commitments and responsibilities uh but unfortunately even even uh the some of the

00:40:01.380 churches uh have failed to deliver on that they're they're watching their their money as well

00:40:05.920 so particularly with the younger generation i mean you do agree that if you look at any statistic

00:40:14.160 that uh that there's less church attendance less focus on religious matters uh than ever before in

00:40:23.160 the united states they're actually referring to the united states as a pro post christian nation at the

00:40:27.660 same time they're they're they're they're arguing that the trump movement and anything related to

00:40:32.540 populist nationalists is really nothing more than a white supremacist christian nationalism how we've

00:40:38.920 gone through these periods here in the in america in the united states that have what are called great

00:40:44.320 awakenings those great awakens and a lot of it i think is is it awakening to try to harken back

00:40:50.040 to the spiritual purity and the spiritual energy and quite frankly the spiritual toughness

00:40:55.280 of really our forefathers which are the puritans is it to is it to harken back to that

00:41:02.540 uh yeah that that's right and it's just a matter of you know what uh what degree of uh

00:41:11.600 of uh wreckage do we have to see to turn back right the term repentance means to turn around and to turn

00:41:18.940 back uh to god how could you get any more how could you get any more wreckage tonight than today i mean

00:41:25.380 they're actually questioning not just the foundational tenets of the judeo-christian west they're they're

00:41:31.120 they're questioning the basics of biology i mean you have gender affirming surgery you have um

00:41:36.340 the most radical i mean what is being taught or being pushed by our elites in schools today for

00:41:43.460 school children is not just indoctrination it's something that's more radical than the french

00:41:47.580 revolution more radical than mal's revolution the culture revolution which are probably the two most

00:41:53.020 powerful cultural revolutions more than even the nazis or the fascists or the bolsheviks

00:41:58.260 these were these these radicals were absolutely they wanted to change all of society deeply how do

00:42:05.320 you sit there if you can't have and look at this as a sentient being and understand that what is

00:42:11.980 coming at you is so outside the mainstream quote unquote for what's ever happened in american society

00:42:18.540 or culture and how that would not drive a new great awakening yeah well it's uh every issue you just

00:42:27.480 mentioned is very clearly a god versus no god issue all of them right you just go right down the list

00:42:35.320 right and in this uh this attempt to uh mess with human sexuality uh the left and the ccp and the

00:42:43.420 marxists know exactly what they're doing they got to get rid of any challenge to national uh globalist

00:42:50.620 uh sovereignty right and so the first threat is the sovereignty of god and then you got the

00:42:55.120 sovereignty of of the family and then you got the sovereignty of the constitution and the rule of law

00:43:01.180 and interestingly all three of those are under attack uh simultaneously right now by the same crew

00:43:07.500 and this this this sexual assault i i've never even read about anything on this level but it's

00:43:14.780 calculated uh because it's the one drive uh that if you get to the kid right through the school

00:43:20.620 through the leftists uh it's powerful enough to drive them from their parents and so that's what

00:43:27.100 we're fighting uh right now it it's a disaster and it it it the basic trade-off is still right there

00:43:34.720 it's just a matter uh you you can't go to god lightly right if you go you got to go all in

00:43:42.080 right and and and it's free it's liberating right that's what the the left and the folks don't get

00:43:47.420 it's it's not there's no claim in the judeo-christian system that we're the holy rollers and everybody

00:43:53.860 else is awful uh christians still stay in sin and goof up regularly and we don't make that obvious

00:44:00.260 enough uh to the outside world we're just more thankful so hopefully we have smiles on our faces

00:44:06.140 but that's the move that when you say any sentient being obviously knows these things yes when

00:44:11.680 when they're getting ready to die these sentient beings all of a sudden uh have what are called

00:44:16.700 come to jesus moments right and uh we all pray for everybody uh in that respect uh and so it but

00:44:23.980 while you're on on the planet living out your life you have a choice to make kierkegaard all the great

00:44:31.180 thinkers right either or it's stark you got to make a choice uh to give up some of yourself uh to live

00:44:38.860 for god first and then for others which follows and that that can take that doesn't have to be

00:44:44.540 being a puritan right it can be your calling in health care it can be your calling as a police

00:44:50.220 officer it can be your calling uh being a a brick mason uh building beautiful things and giving glory

00:44:57.340 to god every day you do that uh right so there's no hierarchy of importance it's just that whatever you

00:45:04.300 do you do it for the right reason that your will is right your heart is right uh the puritans knew

00:45:10.400 that the pilgrims knew that a lot of americans still know that right they're just quiet our parents are

00:45:16.260 not courageous uh right now they're letting it go by they're going well you know it's just you know

00:45:21.400 the republicans take over for two years and then the democrats do and it's all honky dory uh no no no

00:45:26.040 this is this is way more serious folks uh this is some deep deep undercurrents cutting against you

00:45:32.460 your family your god your country and uh it's time to wake up and get serious with our lives

00:45:37.500 that over this thanksgiving holiday where people will have a moment maybe to reflect or make time

00:45:45.780 to reflect what are the two or three things that dave bratt would tell them to to reflect upon

00:45:51.760 that would prepare them you believe for the times ahead yeah uh i think you sit down and you read

00:46:02.360 the the uh matthew mark luke and john together as a family right uh open up the book read the book

00:46:09.720 reflect on it uh read a little bit about the pilgrims and see if it matches up with that book

00:46:15.420 uh see uh what those stories uh tell you and your family and your heart are you on track

00:46:21.700 are you off track uh but reflecting on you know just the big questions why am i here why am i on the

00:46:30.820 planet who created this thing the leftists have no answers for any of this where did morality come

00:46:37.420 from what is it what is ethics am i free am i really a free person is freedom important uh is it just

00:46:45.340 spiritual freedom uh should we just get run over by political forces all of the founders said

00:46:50.780 otherwise there are a ton of more clergy uh the civil war uh was a brutal awful uh mess because

00:46:58.120 there were great christians on both sides uh and so we we need to get uh serious and unfortunately a

00:47:07.140 lot of it has to do with eating your spinach right the kids have these games in their hands all day long

00:47:13.540 and uh all all the cultural stuff and you know i'm not a puritan to the extent that you got to get rid

00:47:19.360 of all that uh but if you don't know what's driving all that then your kids in for a long hard life of

00:47:25.920 suffering and you don't want that uh and so it's just that basic moral education and by moral education i

00:47:32.560 don't mean morality that it all comes uh from reading the good book uh that's what lit the puritans and the

00:47:40.860 pilgrims up their reading of that book lit them up and they set a forth on a journey that none of us

00:47:48.140 could imagine and the the dedication and the endurance and the perseverance and the strength

00:47:53.920 and the character of these people i look back and i don't know whether i could pull off half of it

00:47:59.240 because they were just incredible and then they're called terrible it's just the world's upside down

00:48:04.120 don't listen to it uh build a good faithful family and uh and get into the book uh together

00:48:10.640 and then get together with your church you do need to have a body of believers and friends around you

00:48:16.440 to support you uh when the going gets tough and if you build that up in advance you'll be very happy

00:48:22.500 you did that how to what what does liberty what type of resources how can people get access to

00:48:30.120 i know you guys have great learning there where where do people go uh besides just the reading of

00:48:35.780 the of the of the new testament scriptures where should people go yeah we have we have all sorts of

00:48:43.060 resources and we're you know a tech technologically savvy school everything's online on the web we have

00:48:49.320 support uh you can call uh the divinity school the the spiritual support centers the educational centers

00:48:57.120 uh the k to 12 uh kids uh schools or centers for support there the global outreach lu send uh

00:49:06.200 international student center if you're international and you want to talk to someone

00:49:10.260 because you feel something going on inside uh that something's resonating on this show or something

00:49:15.440 you've heard uh about thanksgiving or upcoming christmas and you know there's something there right

00:49:21.320 don't don't let it lay there go go explore uh and and you can do a lot right find a friend to share with

00:49:29.660 uh and that'll go a long way as well

00:49:32.400 dave bratt your personal where do people get all your personal uh social media

00:49:38.260 but mainly it's bratt economics but there's a lot of worldview uh woven in there on the judeo-christian

00:49:46.440 west so bratt economics on getter and then i'm on the third floor of the divinity school i have a lot

00:49:52.940 of your folks come up and say hi to me and it's always with a smile so uh keep doing what you're

00:49:58.940 doing uh god bless you god bless uh everybody listening out there and uh let's get on the right

00:50:05.240 track and take it all back to glorify god dean dave bratt former congressman thank you very much for

00:50:12.920 joining us over this thanksgiving holiday season to lay this out for the war room audience really

00:50:17.620 appreciate it thank you very much thank you want everybody to have a great thanksgiving the entire

00:50:23.580 weekend thanksgiving day and of course the days after the traditional thanksgiving weekend i want to

00:50:28.160 thank everybody in our crew everybody in memphis and of course the crew here in the war room

00:50:32.800 until tomorrow this is the war room

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Bannon's War Room - November 23, 2022

WarRoom Battleground EP 186： A Night Of Thanksgiving

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