Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 2003： Gonzalo Martin Deputy Leadership Of Democracia Nacional, Explains The Massive Popular Protests In Spain

00:00:00.000 I decided to invite a minister and ministers this morning to disolver the general court

00:00:08.000 and to invite some general elections.

00:00:30.000 The 87-year-old woman whose eviction from her long-time home in Madrid

00:00:47.800 has sparked nationwide protests across the country,

00:00:50.520 unleashing a political crisis, has died in hospital.

00:00:53.800 Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez leading the way on social media,

00:00:57.460 offering his condolences.

00:00:59.260 It comes as Spain's main unions call a general strike for November the 11th

00:01:03.500 with the aim of ratcheting up pressure over housing and wages

00:01:06.900 before the country holds a snap general election at the end of the month.

00:01:13.080 Let us make the November the 11th general strike a great leap forward,

00:01:17.580 a powerful mobilisation in defence of the right to housing

00:01:20.560 and in defence of working class rights.

00:01:22.680 For Marie Carmen, for everyone, for the working class.

00:01:29.480 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. 0.96

00:01:34.340 Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.

00:01:39.560 Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:01:43.820 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:01:45.740 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:01:47.180 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:01:49.860 It's going to happen.

00:01:51.120 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:01:54.520 Mega Media.

00:01:55.440 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:02:01.300 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:02:05.060 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:02:11.400 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:02:14.640 thursday 8th of october and dominie 2026 harnwell here at the helm on steve bannon's

00:02:28.140 war room good evening well those fig those scenes that you were watching just before

00:02:34.840 the title rolled many people looking at those will have thought we're talking about france today

00:02:41.560 But those scenes, those protests didn't take place in France. They took place in Spain. And it's my opinion this week that the key development across Europe hasn't been the protests in France, but the protests in Spain.

00:03:01.440 I think they're more important. They've certainly had a greater consequence, given that Pedro Sanchez, the socialist prime minister of Spain, announced early elections. He's brought forward the elections that were set for, I think, around summer or so of 2020.

00:03:23.480 and he brought them forward eight months early that now take place at the very end of

00:03:28.600 november now here in continental europe i know in the states you have basically elections that

00:03:36.160 they set the dates of those elections are set in tab tablets of stone here in continental europe

00:03:43.000 it's not quite so straightforward the governing party tends to have the discretion to to call

00:03:51.200 to set the date for the elections.

00:03:52.980 And they have that, that gives an advantage

00:03:55.580 to whatever the governing party is.

00:03:58.260 And there's really only one reason why a party would do this,

00:04:01.240 why a party would say, we're not going to go the full mandate,

00:04:05.160 we're going to have early elections.

00:04:06.960 And that's because it's expecting a pretty bad situation

00:04:11.660 if the mandate of the parliament were to go full course.

00:04:17.620 So in order to head off that, to have a less bad scenario, or even from their perspective, if they're optimistic, a better scenario, a good scenario, a good outcome, they'll call the elections early.

00:04:29.900 In Spain, the situation has been pretty bad for a number of reasons.

00:04:35.660 And it's clear that Pedro Sanchez has called these elections, not because he expects a huge majority.

00:04:43.740 He's in a minority at the moment.

00:04:45.340 In calling these elections eight months early, he's expecting to head off the worst result for his party if he went full term.

00:04:55.880 So what are the issues in Spain that has made his party, his government, so unpopular?

00:05:02.520 They have a housing crisis.

00:05:03.960 I'm going to talk about that right now with Gonzalo Martin, the deputy leader of Democracy and Latino.

00:05:10.160 Gonzalo, welcome, as always, onto the show.

00:05:12.760 So there's a housing crisis, right, in Spain.

00:05:17.720 You have the Feuta crisis in the province of north coast of Africa,

00:05:26.520 that Spanish enclave, sovereign Spanish territory for the last 500 years,

00:05:30.540 surrounded by Morocco. 1.00

00:05:32.360 You have that situation, the absolute disaster there. 1.00

00:05:35.980 And principally, there was the situation of the 87-year-old pensioner,

00:05:41.780 which we're going to be talking about in about a quarter of an hour's time.

00:05:45.640 There's been a very sad development on that.

00:05:47.520 First of all, let me just talk about the protests that we have seen in Spain.

00:05:53.140 We'll hold the other things further on into the show.

00:05:55.460 We'll do each thing in turn.

00:05:57.300 We've seen the protests.

00:05:58.560 The only difference, I mean, I would suggest the underlying calls

00:06:03.380 between the protests in France and Spain are very similar,

00:06:09.780 very related, even though they're manifesting themselves differently.

00:06:15.800 I make Gonzalo Montenaro, I will make this difference.

00:06:20.380 However, looking at these, the images of these protests,

00:06:25.300 the protests in Spain are clearly being peopled by Spanish.

00:06:35.540 The Spanish, it is the Spanish themselves who are coming out and protesting.

00:06:39.220 You can see that quite clearly in the footage.

00:06:43.860 In France, it's different.

00:06:45.820 I don't want to get into the argument now.

00:06:48.740 It's a necessary argument, but we'll do it at a later stage,

00:06:52.040 over who is protesting in France.

00:06:57.820 There is some suggestion in some quarters, especially on social media,

00:07:01.920 that it's not the proper French who are coming out and protesting.

00:07:06.960 we'll get it's a necessary conversation but we won't do that one right now but in spain you can

00:07:14.040 see that these are the spanish who are coming out to protest against their government

00:07:17.820 has the fact and as i say we'll talk about maria carmen abascal the pensioner in just a moment

00:07:27.120 but first of all has the fact that pedro sanchez has announced the surprise early elections in

00:07:35.400 November. Has that done anything to diminish the anger that is building up, has been building up

00:07:42.500 for many months in Spain right now because of the housing crisis? Or has it only encouraged the anger

00:07:51.060 on behalf of the Spanish people to apply always more pressure onto the political system over the

00:07:58.500 next month and three weeks. 0.74

00:08:04.340 Yes, you are totally right.

00:08:06.720 This is a strategy from Pedro Sánchez.

00:08:09.280 He's the master of strategy.

00:08:11.940 And he sees that the situation is impossible to control due to the fact that the government

00:08:19.140 of Pedro Sánchez is made out of the votes of many different parties, even separatist

00:08:24.060 parties.

00:08:24.400 So with all the crisis we're having in Spain, economic, housing, immigration invasion, he knows that it's inevitable that the next government will be probably right wing.

00:08:38.640 So what he was doing during the last eight years, the streets were, let's say, calm, because in Spain in general and many other countries, the radical left is controlling the protests in the streets.

00:08:52.320 So what he did, he was to awake all those leftists in order to exercise for the next

00:09:04.100 four years in case there is a right-wing government.

00:09:07.100 So he was doing this a little bit earlier, taking the skews of Marie Cavanagh, we'll

00:09:12.320 talk about her later, because he's preparing the people, the radical left, to invade the

00:09:17.080 street in order to have protests every week for the next four years till the right-wing

00:09:24.300 party, the right-wing government, probably a coalition between the popular party and

00:09:29.060 Vox, will be no longer able to work together. There will be too much pressure in the streets.

00:09:34.720 There will be, again, elections probably earlier than the four years of mandate that they will

00:09:40.580 have. And then Pedro Sánchez will come back as the messiah of Spain, the saver of Spain,

00:09:49.240 the one who will save Spain from the really bad fascist intolerance and anti-immigration.

00:09:55.540 So I think there's a strategy of Pedro Sánchez. Of course, the situation was very bad in Spain,

00:10:01.880 but the left will never protest against the government. And even one of the ministers of

00:10:08.100 Pedro Sánchez, who was saying in public yesterday, that the protest and the manifestation and

00:10:14.000 the generalist strike of Spain that will take place next 11th of November is against

00:10:19.500 the opposition, not against the government.

00:10:21.880 So this is a little bit crazy, because who is in power is responsible for the laws that

00:10:26.640 have been approved in the parliament and for everything that is going on in Spain the last

00:10:31.440 eight years.

00:10:32.340 But they're organizing the protest against the opposition, because they know the opposition

00:10:36.480 will be in power probably after the next election.

00:10:40.900 So it's everything a strategy from Pedro Sanchez.

00:10:44.360 So we have this talk, I think it's about a month's time,

00:10:47.700 the general strike, first week of November,

00:10:49.500 first week or so of November,

00:10:51.560 a general strike across the whole of the public service,

00:10:55.720 the public sector in Spain.

00:10:58.620 Between now and then, is it possible that the direction

00:11:02.740 of that strike might metastasize into something that is overtly considered to be,

00:11:09.140 openly considered to be, explicitly considered to be as a direct strike

00:11:14.580 against the actions of the government.

00:11:16.620 And around that, and I have to go back to the housing crisis issue here,

00:11:22.960 the Guardian newspaper, which is a left-wing newspaper in the UK,

00:11:28.420 establishment, left-wing newspaper, reported that over the course

00:11:34.820 of the last decade, the average price of rent has risen

00:11:41.020 by approximately 80% over the past 10 years, right?

00:11:46.920 Whereas the average salary now approaches the price of the rent.

00:11:56.320 So rents have been increasing by 80%.

00:11:59.660 Salary hasn't been increasing by the same proportion.

00:12:04.400 And therefore, for the average under 30 worker, this is The Guardian, which is not a right-wing newspaper.

00:12:10.560 The Guardian is saying for the average under 30 worker, the entirety of their salary is going simply to service the rent.

00:12:22.260 And this is a direct consequence.

00:12:24.280 The reason rents are so high is a direct consequence of government's own attempts at regulating the socialist government's attempts at regulating the housing market.

00:12:36.400 So you've got these two things. You've got the general strike coming up in November, and I think that's going to be quite serious for this government.

00:12:43.840 You also have the anger, the popular anger on the housing market score.

00:12:49.700 Where do you think, between now and this general strike, how do you think these two issues are going to come together in terms of popular anger and popular demonstration?

00:13:02.000 Well, the problem is, of course, it's the fault of the government, but it's not only because of over-regulation.

00:13:07.780 The main problem is that in the last eight years, we received in Spain 8 million of immigrants.

00:13:13.740 So there is not lack of buildings or housing in Spain. 1.00

00:13:18.420 There are too many immigrants that most of them, they are not working. 1.00

00:13:22.020 They are living from the social health, and this will go back to the country. 1.00

00:13:25.700 So it's not a matter about how many houses can we build in the next years. 0.99

00:13:31.180 It's about remigration. 1.00

00:13:33.160 We need that most of these people that they tend to spend illegally, they go back to the country. 0.98

00:13:38.040 So people, of course, they don't want to talk about the elephant in the living room.

00:13:41.140 It's so obvious in all the debates, they just talk about the regulation, as you said,

00:13:45.500 and they talk about the problem of the salaries.

00:13:47.940 But the salaries are low because they are coming 0.54

00:13:50.040 in a lot of cheap labour hands from the third world countries. 1.00

00:13:53.180 And these people, they need a roof. 0.99

00:13:56.420 And of course, they live in an apartment of three rooms,

00:13:59.820 three families, while before in that apartment

00:14:02.120 live just one Spanish family.

00:14:05.560 Gonzalo, let me just confirm that statistic. 0.99

00:14:10.080 It's horrific, right?

00:14:11.800 Let me confirm this.

00:14:12.840 over the past 12 months is that what you said over the past 12 months spain has admitted 8

00:14:21.280 million invaders but did i get that correct no in the last eight years of socialist government

00:14:27.320 eight years the last eight years yes now in spain we have the last um 10 million 10 million legal

00:14:34.560 immigrants plus 2 million of the immigrants that were born in spain plus 2 million of illegal

00:14:39.040 immigrants we got 14 million immigrants in spain eight eight eight eight eight million illegal

00:14:48.020 eight million illegal and and six million six million legal is that correct no the the law

00:14:58.520 in spain is tricky they come as a tourist they stay illegally in spain and after a few months

00:15:04.180 they start the papers to be a legal immigrant so when they enter to spain they are not a legal

00:15:08.620 immigrants because they are tourists. But once after three months for South Americans staying

00:15:14.460 in Spain, they are staying illegally, but they don't count them as illegal. So that's the trick.

00:15:21.000 So in total in Spain, since 1995, we got now 10 million of legal immigrants, that they had

00:15:29.240 2 million of children in Spain, plus 2 million of illegal immigrants now that they are searching

00:15:35.440 to be they're looking to be regulated so in total so that's around 14 14 million of 14 in spain

00:15:43.060 14 14 million in general since 1995 what is the problem since 95 since 95 of the last 30 years

00:15:55.480 30 years 30 years wow 30 years what what is the problem what's the um what's the population of

00:16:03.440 Spain is around 40 million.

00:16:05.860 49 now.

00:16:07.960 49 million.

00:16:08.980 Almost 50.

00:16:09.460 Of Spanish? 1.00

00:16:12.460 No, everything together. 0.94

00:16:14.520 All the immigrants and Spanish Spanish.

00:16:17.500 So it's about 40 million Spanish 1.00

00:16:19.960 plus 10 million something invaders. 0.98

00:16:23.440 I think it's 35 million Spanish 0.81

00:16:26.960 plus 14 million invaders. 1.00

00:16:29.620 And the problem is crazy. 0.62

00:16:35.260 The problem of these 14 million of invaders born in Spain or not,

00:16:42.160 only 3.5 million of them are paying taxes, are working. 0.66

00:16:49.800 And those are official statistics you can look on internet.

00:16:53.140 um so they are only in the only paying taxes 3.5 million immigrants three and a half million

00:17:02.680 immigrants and there are around 14 million immigrants in spain so of course we have a 1.00

00:17:09.100 housing problem because these people they need a roof to leave what is logic and what is happening 1.00

00:17:14.840 they are destroying the market of rent because in the apartment where before there was a spanish

00:17:20.880 family with two children, a two or three-room apartment. Now, in that apartment with three 0.98

00:17:26.560 rooms, in each of these rooms lives one immigrant family. So, of course, before a Spanish family 1.00

00:17:33.340 was able to pay 600, 700 euros of rent per month, now these people, they pay for each

00:17:39.720 room 600, 700 euros of rent. Of course, of course.

00:17:43.220 Of course, there is speculation from owners of real estate, but there is a problem that

00:17:49.140 it's impossible to build all the

00:17:51.460 houses we need if they keep 1.00

00:17:53.300 coming every year, one million immigrants. 1.00

00:17:55.700 It's impossible that we do this. 1.00

00:17:57.660 And this is what they know, they don't talk about this.

00:18:00.360 The leftists don't talk about

00:18:01.500 this because they want immigrants in order

00:18:03.300 to get future voters.

00:18:05.400 And the right-wing parties

00:18:07.180 and people, they don't talk about this because

00:18:09.340 the entrepreneurs, many of them, they

00:18:11.280 want cheap labor hunts.

00:18:13.180 And other people, they say that

00:18:14.960 they are mostly from South America.

00:18:16.580 it's this it's the same thing in the united states it's the same thing in the uk exactly

00:18:22.880 the same dynamic gonzonzonz let me just confirm this okay right folks this is astonishing 0.84

00:18:31.000 it isn't you know gonzonzonz when you lay these figures out like this it's clear to see why the 0.94

00:18:37.720 government has called an early election because it knows what's going to happen um all right so

00:18:44.680 so this is the situation 30 years ago 1995 you had 35 million ethnic spanish right 30 years later

00:18:55.300 39 they died

00:18:57.680 39 million spanish in 1990 in 1995 right um 30 years later between a mixture of people who who

00:19:11.660 entered legally, but the majority who entered illegally on tourist visas then overstayed and

00:19:18.200 then regularised themselves with the government. There's now around 14 million invaders.

00:19:26.160 So 39 million, let's say 40 million, let's say 40 million ethnic Spanish and 15 million,

00:19:32.200 just to round it, about 15 million invaders. Of the 14 million invaders, only 3.5% are paying

00:19:41.560 taxes so the welfare of everyone else who's not who's not even contributing who's you know those 0.98

00:19:48.780 3.5 who are working and paying taxes are obviously taking jobs from from the spanish but put that

00:19:54.640 aside put put that aside because they're paying taxes right at least i mean obviously democracia

00:20:00.680 national would say everyone whether they're paying tax or not whether they enter legal or not

00:20:06.520 time pack your bags and leave right but let's just take the statistics the statistics as you

00:20:13.980 mentioned them that who has to pay for the um 10 million or so invaders who aren't working or not

00:20:23.680 paying taxes not working in the black that said they might be working in the black market but 0.82

00:20:28.700 they're not paying taxes who's paying for them for their health care for their education and all

00:20:33.560 the rest of it, the ordinary average Spanish worker.

00:20:37.300 So not only does the ordinary Spanish worker have to compete 0.59

00:20:41.400 in terms of wage competition with invaders,

00:20:48.360 they have to compete for the housing as well.

00:20:52.580 So the invaders are driving wages down, 0.88

00:20:56.120 and they're driving the price of accommodation up. 0.97

00:20:59.540 That's why, over the past decade, rents have risen 80%, so high, so that the average under 30-year-old labourer in Spain now has an absurd situation where the entirety of their salary goes on paying the rent.

00:21:17.980 That is the situation. That is why we saw the pictures at the beginning of the show, the protests, the anger. That is what is driving this.

00:21:28.620 The Spanish media aren't telling people that, and to the extent that this is being covered in the international media, the international media aren't covering it as well.

00:21:38.620 But I think this is the more important story than what's taking place in France, as important as France is.

00:21:45.000 Give a quick shout out, and I'll go back to Gonzalo Martín in just a quick moment to continue this analysis.

00:21:51.060 And this is really a horrific story, as we can see, of what's taking place in Spain right now.

00:22:01.460 All right. So I put out earlier on, folks, just for you, this article that I saw on CNBC.

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00:22:13.120 10-year Treasury yield backs off from a 24-year high

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00:22:30.080 Very smart guy, knows how markets work,

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00:22:40.560 Might not be enough.

00:22:41.560 uh it is absolutely clear that america is heading into as is the rest of the world

00:22:48.680 economically as you know we're seeing this in france we're seeing this in spain

00:22:52.920 you have the or that one what's driving what's fundamentally driving this the french protests

00:22:59.680 whether the kids protesting or not realize this is the austerity which is being imposed imposed

00:23:05.620 on the French government by the European Union.

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00:24:41.640 All right, back now to Gonzalo Martín, the deputy leader.

00:24:48.240 There's going to be a lot of talk, Gonzalo, in the Western media about Vox.

00:24:52.780 that's going to capitalise on the present unpopularity

00:25:00.640 of the socialist government.

00:25:03.340 I think this is a perfect opportunity just for you to set out the difference,

00:25:07.440 the full difference between Vox and Democrazia Nacional,

00:25:11.020 not least in respect, whereas both of your political parties

00:25:14.980 are absolutely against the invasion and stopping the invasion. 0.84

00:25:19.580 I think it's Democracy and Latino, which is the most serious proposition of doing the second part of what is necessary, which is sending the invaders back. 0.96

00:25:30.820 Just give me 60 seconds, one minute on that, the difference between you and Vox now, so that our American audience might know how to compartmentalize the two of you. 0.80

00:25:41.180 And we'll pick up with Maria Carmen Abascal after the commercial break.

00:25:45.980 Just right now, the difference between you and Vox.

00:25:50.920 Well, Vox is openly pro-monarchy.

00:25:54.500 We are not against the monarchy, but we are against this monarchy.

00:25:58.100 They are openly defending the constitution.

00:26:00.580 We are against this constitution.

00:26:02.200 We want to renovate the constitution.

00:26:03.800 We want to ban all the separatist parties and all the communist parties that they want to destroy Spain. 0.64

00:26:10.620 Vox is mainly against Muslim immigration. 0.71

00:26:15.100 but they don't want to talk about south american immigration because they say they are

00:26:19.700 our family because of the spanish empire and we are against immigration doesn't matter from what

00:26:25.860 is coming we are pro-european but you're but you're but but but you're pro-remigration right 0.53

00:26:32.880 yes we are migration yeah and box is talking about remigrate only thieves and people that

00:26:41.260 They're not adapting killers, et cetera.

00:26:44.140 And we're all remigration. 0.75

00:26:47.080 This difference could not be more important.

00:26:50.500 I'm going to get to say a few words about this after the commercial break.

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00:31:12.560 All right, I'm going to postpone by just two minutes what I was going to talk about with

00:31:29.180 Gonzalo, because this trend that is happening across continental Europe is so important.

00:31:36.180 I just want to mention it explicitly how this works.

00:31:39.260 I know we talk about it here and there, but I want to just illustrate what's taking place here.

00:31:45.480 So the political spectrum, right, starting the left there and the right there, the political spectrum in Europe basically works like this.

00:31:55.380 You have the hard left, which is the sort of the communists, then the reformed communists that present themselves as greens.

00:32:03.120 And basically the Vatican is in that section as well.

00:32:06.200 Then you have the centre-left, which is sort of socialist, neoliberal, if you will.

00:32:18.060 Then you cross over the midpoint, the traditional midpoint to the centre-right, which would be neoliberal, but basically socialist.

00:32:25.160 So that's why we call it the uniparty.

00:32:27.180 There's very little difference between the conventional centre-left and the conventional centre-right these days.

00:32:33.440 It's Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

00:32:36.560 Then moving further to the right, you have the conventional,

00:32:42.160 there are conventional now, the conventional populist nationalist iterations, right?

00:32:51.360 And what we're seeing now, and this is why I want to make this analysis,

00:32:54.820 what we're seeing now is something to the right of those populist nationalist iterations emerging.

00:33:00.100 And it's very important that we understand what is taking place and why it is taking place.

00:33:05.120 So the conventional populist nationalist iterations, these are the parties that were on 3% 10, 15 years ago.

00:33:12.960 They're now 25%, 30% country by country.

00:33:16.080 The conventional populist nationalist iterations, you've got Fratelli d'Italia here in Italy.

00:33:25.840 You know, you're going to have Nigel Farage in the UK, you've got the AFD in Germany, you've got Vox in Spain, so on and so forth.

00:33:38.460 And all of these parties are pretty much saying in one way or another, according to their own national context, we have to stop the invasion.

00:33:45.260 What we are seeing now, to the right of those, is a new phenomenon that is saying, yes, we have to stop the invasion, but at the same time as we're stopping the invasion, we need to send back the invaders who already came.

00:34:04.720 That is an absolutely essential voice for the political spectrum.

00:34:13.500 Absolutely essential, I think, for public policy.

00:34:16.380 And you're seeing this here in Italy.

00:34:18.700 You've got General Vanacci now.

00:34:24.080 There's about 10% here in Italy with his approach.

00:34:28.900 Maloney wants to stop the invasion.

00:34:31.480 Vanacci wants to stop the invasion and send them back.

00:34:33.880 In Portugal, we had a couple of weeks on the show, the founder of this new political movement, Reconquista, Afonso Gonçalves, the young Portuguese guy, hasn't even registered his political movement yet with the authorities.

00:34:49.920 He's already on 5%, according to the reputable polls in Portugal.

00:34:56.420 He suggests quite reasonably he's actually on a lot higher than 5% for a political party that hasn't even been officially registered.

00:35:03.880 And here in Spain, we have Democrazia Nacional,

00:35:07.720 which is to the right of Vox.

00:35:11.080 Both parties say we need to stop the invasion.

00:35:15.700 But Vox is a little bit lukewarm about actually sending people back

00:35:19.980 if they've been in the country for a few years,

00:35:22.800 if they regularise, if they're paying taxes.

00:35:25.380 Democrazia Nacional, like General Vernacci here in Italy,

00:35:29.400 like Afonso Gonçal-Rouge's Reconquista in Portugal.

00:35:36.140 These political movements are doing something new

00:35:39.080 and something essential.

00:35:40.980 And that is fine, we stop the invasion,

00:35:44.260 but let's also talk equally about re-migration.

00:35:48.260 And I hand over to Gonzalo on this point

00:35:50.860 because 10, 15 years ago, to say publicly,

00:35:54.640 this too much invasion was edgy.

00:35:56.640 It was at the edge of a loud political debate.

00:36:01.080 Saying it now is mainstream.

00:36:02.620 It's not enough for a political movement that says it's firmly in the traditional Christian, 0.64

00:36:09.200 the Christian nationalist right to say we need to stop the invasion. 0.78

00:36:13.740 That's just, it's not enough for the job. 0.90

00:36:17.180 It's stop the invasion and send back the people who illegally entered one's country. 0.92

00:36:24.100 all right um and that's the difference i think because people are going to be as we're moving

00:36:28.820 towards these elections in spain now next the end of november we're going to hear a lot of people

00:36:34.260 talking about vox and i'm just trying to say vox is fine but if you really know vox is simply going

00:36:40.640 to stop the invasion if you want to do something about the 14 or so million people who invaded

00:36:47.740 Spain over the last 30 years, then you need to take a serious look at democracia, national.

00:36:55.300 All right. Okay. So let's talk about what happened this week. I think it was yesterday. In fact,

00:37:01.940 you mentioned when you were on the show a couple of weeks ago, Gonzalo, that you are actually from

00:37:07.980 the neighborhood of the 87 year old Maria Carmen Abascal. Folks, you might remember this was the

00:37:16.400 lady who'd been in her

00:37:18.040 flat for

00:37:19.780 about 60 or 70 years. It was originally

00:37:22.360 the

00:37:24.200 original signatory, the leaseholder,

00:37:26.300 was her father who died.

00:37:28.280 She took it over from him. She was

00:37:30.000 cleared out

00:37:30.920 and in the

00:37:34.300 same way she was cleared out

00:37:35.640 by the landlord 0.99

00:37:39.620 because of the government's

00:37:42.140 latest maneuverings

00:37:44.640 in the same week that Pedro Sanchez said that they were going to find 10,000 homes

00:37:53.480 for the invaders in Feuta by the end of the year.

00:38:01.880 So housing shortage for Spanish, no housing shortage for invaders.

00:38:08.720 This lady, this 87-year-old pensioner, Maria Carmen Abascal Gonzalo Martín from your very neighbourhood in Madrid, very sadly passed away in hospital within the last 24 hours. 0.93

00:38:26.820 And quite rightly, people are basically accusing the socialist government of having killed her.

00:38:31.680 Tell me how she is now becoming a martyr symbol for the resistance of the Spanish against the socialist government.

00:38:43.080 Well, it's taken as a martyr from all the leftists because they say it was the fault of the City Hall of Madrid,

00:38:51.920 the right wing from the Popular Party, and the regional government of Madrid,

00:38:56.660 that they are speculators, they are people in favor of privatizing everything, and they

00:39:04.600 were responsible that they kick out from her house Marie Carmen.

00:39:09.260 Why is not true?

00:39:10.960 Because the law that was applied in this case for kicking out Marie Carmen from her apartment,

00:39:17.000 it was approved by the socialist government, the socialist party, two years ago.

00:39:21.640 So it's not true.

00:39:22.640 course, the government of Madrid is the strongest from the popular party in Spain, from the

00:39:27.900 regional government, and they are organizing the protests in Madrid, while there are many

00:39:32.840 cases like Marie Carmen in other regions, but where the separatists are in power or

00:39:38.980 the socialists are in power, like the case of Catalonia.

00:39:43.020 So that's why they are using this in Madrid, because they want to destabilize and they

00:39:48.300 want to attack the regional government of Madrid because it's right-wing.

00:39:52.240 So it has nothing to do with Marie Carmen.

00:39:54.000 It has to do with political strategy.

00:39:56.140 And I personally believe by my party that they knew, the Chinese government,

00:40:01.720 that Marie Carmen had a really bad health condition.

00:40:04.900 And they were, of course, they were all the time controlling what is happening in the hospital.

00:40:10.840 And we believe that they knew that the doctor said that she has just a few days left of life

00:40:18.480 because she had cancer.

00:40:20.620 And that's why Pedro Sánchez convoked the election, because he knew that this will be a symbol for the electoral campaign for the Socialist Party.

00:40:31.240 Look how the right-wing parties kick out a poor old lady, and because of all this mess, a few days later, she died.

00:40:39.720 So we believe this is a strategy for the Socialist Party that they knew that Marie Carmen will die soon,

00:40:45.100 and that's why Pedro Sánchez announced that we are running for election.

00:40:49.960 So it's all a strategy from Pedro Sánchez.

00:40:53.360 And now the radical left is in the street.

00:40:56.960 They are trying to control the street.

00:40:58.560 They are organizing a general strike, not against the government,

00:41:02.040 that they have the capacity for eight years of building many houses

00:41:06.060 or managing, in general, Spain and controlling the situation of the real estate in Spain.

00:41:15.600 But they are doing this because they are preparing four years of protest every week against the future government, right-wing, probably, Popular Party plus Vox.

00:41:26.760 So this is all political strategy from Pedro Sánchez.

00:41:29.880 It's what we believe.

00:41:31.780 But how are the Spanish people themselves seeing this?

00:41:35.720 Is the government's line landing with the Spanish or are they now rejecting it because it's too big a request to ask in disbelief?

00:41:50.600 So the society is totally divided now.

00:41:53.620 We see a society that is totally divided and we are getting a polarization of the Spanish people.

00:42:01.600 There are people that are totally against all these protests because they see that they are organizing all these protests and strikes at the end of the mandate of Pedro Sánchez, while they have eight years to protest, to organize general strikes.

00:42:17.080 And they are doing it now because they need the people to have some, they call it, revolutionary exercise in order to get ready for protesting during the next four years, making it impossible for the future government to control Spain.

00:42:34.860 And this is what they are trying.

00:42:35.920 So the leftists, they are with the government.

00:42:39.700 They say that the fault of the right is the fault of the foreign powers in investing in Spain.

00:42:47.080 And the right-wing people, they are saying that this is a manipulation from the left, and they don't care about Marie Carmen, and they don't care about Spanish people struggling with paying the rent or the mortgage.

00:43:02.680 Because in Spain, as you probably know, by law, if somebody enters your house, you cannot kick them out, and sometimes it takes even more than one year to kick them out.

00:43:11.600 So what people are saying, right-wing people, is that if Marie Carmen would have gone on holidays

00:43:17.500 and some lefties or some immigrants would have entered illegally in her apartment

00:43:22.720 and they would have occupied the apartment, the same people that are demonstrating in favor of Marie Carmen,

00:43:27.880 they will be demonstrating against Marie Carmen in order to not be kicked out from the apartment of Marie Carmen

00:43:34.680 those people who enter illegally.

00:43:37.280 So this is so focused from the left.

00:43:41.600 So is it accurate to say that in Spain right now invaders not only have the legal protections to invade the country, to invade Spain themselves,

00:43:53.800 once they have successfully invaded and entered and broken into the country,

00:43:58.520 they then have the legal protections to break into people's private properties and squat. 0.82

00:44:04.980 So that's accurate, right?

00:44:07.020 yes so in the house where you live the procedure is faster but if you have a second house in the

00:44:14.600 mountain or at the beach for example that they use you use only for the weekends or from time

00:44:19.840 to time if they take if they enter in your house and they occupied it and they are for example 0.97

00:44:24.720 illegal immigrants they can apply that they are vulnerable that they have children and you cannot 0.96

00:44:30.280 take them out and you cannot cut the water you cannot cut the heat the electricity you have to 0.94

00:44:36.820 still paying what they are consuming without paying rent.

00:44:40.980 And this is what is happening in Spain.

00:44:42.380 We call this occupas because they are occupying your house.

00:44:45.420 So this is what the government with the radical left,

00:44:49.200 they are trying to approve this law that you cannot kick out a family

00:44:53.900 from your property, even if you don't pay for years,

00:44:57.280 because they are vulnerable.

00:44:58.740 And this is a big problem because all this legislation,

00:45:02.540 what it will do, it will make the situation worse

00:45:04.760 because nobody will put the department to rent

00:45:09.540 because there will be a threat that they occupy your apartment,

00:45:12.840 they don't pay you the rent, and you cannot kick them out.

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00:47:45.000 okay back in the closing minutes with Gonzalo Martin deputy leader of democracia national so

00:47:51.500 So the Guardian's analysis, Gonzalo, is it puts these two protests together and says that the ruling parties must prove that they can give young protesters hope, clearly because it's the youth that is being hit most by this.

00:48:07.640 It does not seem to me to be very likely that the mainstream parties are going to give the youth much hope because it's their own policies that have created this crisis in the first place.

00:48:20.220 And lest we forget the very situation with Maria Carmen Abascal's, that her rent was increased by 230 percent. Right. Huge statistic. And Gonzalo, I think you spoke quite eloquently as to how the government, Pedro Sanchez, the master strategist, was manipulating that situation for his own party's political ends.

00:48:45.920 But look, in the final couple of minutes, as an astute analyst of politics in your own country, could you just tell me why you think what the Guardian is saying here, that the mainstream political parties need to respond to young protesters' hopes, why the mainstream political parties aren't going to deliver on that?

00:49:10.220 And they need to really be looking at democracia nacional, at the very least, to respond to their hopes and fears.

00:49:21.040 Well, they say that these people are protesting and they are claiming the government to do something for them.

00:49:28.440 But we know the situation is coming from the same parties that they are, in the case of Spain, in power.

00:49:34.660 So it makes no sense.

00:49:35.640 Of course, there are many younger Spanish that they are waking up and they are not leftist and they are becoming, let's say, even radical patriots because the situation is very radical.

00:49:48.380 So we're seeing people that are younger than 25 years old that at least 30 percent, they said they will be happy to vote for Vox.

00:49:55.140 What it means, knowing that Vox is not a real national option, but people believe that Vox will deport most of the immigrants as we want, it means that there are many young people that they don't have any more of this complex, that we have to stop for the past generation. 0.55

00:50:15.400 So what I'm seeing in Spain and in France is a division and a polarization of the society. 0.79

00:50:22.040 It's true that in the case of France, 90% of protesters are children of immigrants.

00:50:29.000 They are third or fourth generation.

00:50:30.820 While in Spain, still 90% are Spaniards. 0.99

00:50:33.700 Because in the case of Spain, immigrants, they don't get involved so much in politics. 0.99

00:50:38.340 Not yet. 1.00

00:50:39.060 But they will, of course.

00:50:40.020 We have already some deputies.

00:50:42.060 and these people, they are going to destroy

00:50:44.380 Europe, that's the point 0.51

00:50:45.600 Gonzalo Martins, always a great

00:50:50.440 pleasure to have you on the war

00:50:52.400 and to break this down, give us your first person

00:50:54.400 perspective, you're right there at the heart of things

00:50:56.460 both as Deputy Leader

00:50:58.180 of Democracy in Atena, but also

00:51:00.340 right there in the very heart of Madrid

00:51:02.480 where everything is taking place right now

00:51:04.560 very quickly on social media, where do people

00:51:06.640 go if they want to check out

00:51:08.500 your political party

00:51:10.500 It's a very important political movement

00:51:26.220 as you say, radical patriots

00:51:27.940 That's all we have time for now

00:51:29.400 folks, Steve back in the chair

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Bannon's War Room - October 08, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 2003： Gonzalo Martin Deputy Leadership Of Democracia Nacional, Explains The Massive Popular Protests In Spain

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