Bannon's War Room - November 13, 2026


WarRoom Battleground EP 2027： EU Wants Jurisdiction Over Americans Living In America Posting On US Platforms Via US Owned Servers

WarRoom Battleground EP 2026： Protestants Oppose Abortion Propaganda In N. Ireland As Leo Pedals Lefty Platitudes In S. America

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00:00:00 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23 It's going to happen.
00:00:24 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27 Mega Media.
00:00:28 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:00:48 Thursday, 12th of November, Anno Domini, 2026.
00:00:58 Harnell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's war room.
00:01:02 Credit to the great folks over at Reason Magazine.
00:01:06 They have an astonishing article out today,
00:01:10 and it ought to be of interest to every American.
00:01:14 The pitch behind the article, which is perfectly true,
00:01:17 is that the European Union is leading the way on internet censorship
00:01:22 specifically via the instrument of anonymity.
00:01:28 They're trying to tackle down, wrestle to the ground with anonymity
00:01:33 in order to control free speech.
00:01:36 Of course, this being the European Union, the EUSSR as we like to call it,
00:01:44 This being the European Union, that's not what they're telling you they're doing.
00:01:48 They're telling you that they are interested in child safety and child protection.
00:01:54 That's part one of this.
00:01:57 The part two is that what the European Union is doing here,
00:02:02 and they are trying to bully America into co-opting the same means for fundamentally the same purpose,
00:02:10 is that they've been hit a wall of resistance from the Trump administration.
00:02:16 Andrea Seaman, who has been on the show many times before,
00:02:19 is going to join us now, talk us through this
00:02:21 and explain exactly what the strategy is
00:02:24 and how they will try to wait out the clock on President Trump
00:02:28 and then continue to push these same free speech concerns
00:02:34 via a compliant Congress and White House in two years' time.
00:02:41 Of course, the Democrats are going to do the fig leaf pretense
00:02:44 and say, no, no, we have a First Amendment.
00:02:47 We can't do this. It's not allowed.
00:02:49 They're going to go through the motions.
00:02:50 It will be performative, but really they're going to sign up to it.
00:02:54 Andrea, Managing Director of Bundeswehr der Freiheit,
00:03:00 height based in Switzerland, helping to promote free speech cases, even financially, across the
00:03:08 European Union. And we'll be giving an update towards the end of our briefing with Andrea.
00:03:15 But Andrea, is that synthesis broadly correct? That is what Ursula von der Leyen, the European
00:03:22 Commission, the European Union, that is exactly what they're trying to do. Folks might remember,
00:03:27 because i i really think for something so important there ought to be a lot more media
00:03:32 attention on this um and therefore this has been sort of passing all but the the civil liberties
00:03:39 warriors by on this i think i think a lot of people are asleep at the wheel but most people
00:03:45 at least people within the that the um the apple um eco system will be aware of this a few years
00:03:54 ago, because Apple, presumably at the behest of the European Union, had tried to implement
00:04:00 this mechanism under the outer guise of child protection of automatically scanning every
00:04:11 Apple user's phone that was on their phone.
00:04:16 So if you have like an iPhone and you take a photo of someone, then the child protection
00:04:22 mechanism would kick in and apple's computers would scan the photo its ai would kick in and
00:04:33 indicate whether there was anything child sexual abuse related that of course just being the
00:04:40 pretext and apple did back down on that and that was a couple of years ago again presumably that
00:04:46 will be on a shelf somewhere, Andrea Seaman, waiting to be dusted off and brought back into use.
00:04:55 Yes, as you correctly point out, when Trump came into office for the second time,
00:05:01 the EU backed off and was very shocked. So it relented from its incessant drive to censor
00:05:09 the internet within the EU and globally. However, if Trump now goes out of office and we see a
00:05:17 Congress dominated by the Democrats, and even if a person who is from the Democrats comes
00:05:24 into the office of US President, the EU will double down on its censorship agenda.
00:05:31 This is a terrible prospect. Now, it is obviously interesting what Reason magazine reports,
00:05:37 which is that the UK and the EU are using child protection as a pretext to censor European citizens' speech.
00:05:48 Now, the way they're doing it seems to be that they declare that something could potentially harm children
00:05:56 and that anything that possibly could harm or cause trauma to children is harmful content and therefore needs to be censored.
00:06:05 What we see basically, this is related to the Digital Services Act of the EU, is that the Digital Services Act obligates platforms such as X and Facebook and Instagram to delete so-called illegal content.
00:06:24 This is in principle and in practice a complete fiction.
00:06:28 When Facebook deletes your comment in the EU and calls it illegal, that is simply an allegation of illegality.
00:06:38 Facebook has said that your content is illegal, but allegedly illegal content is not illegal.
00:06:46 You can have this in the US, I think your viewers will understand.
00:06:49 An alleged murderer is an innocent man.
00:06:52 The same thing goes for illegal content.
00:06:55 Allegedly illegal is legal.
00:06:56 Therefore, what the EU is doing...
00:06:59 So you're talking effectively there about the total denial of due process, right?
00:07:04 About the right of being considered to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law,
00:07:11 preferably by a jury, where that still exists.
00:07:16 Yes, precisely. In the US, that would be a jury.
00:07:20 In Switzerland or in Germany, that would be a courtroom judge.
00:07:25 What I am suggesting is that the Digital Services Act of the EU, by definition, only censors legal content and nothing but legal content.
00:07:38 In other words, it is logically impossible for the Digital Services Act to delete or censor illegal content.
00:07:46 Why? Because the EU and the various countries which compose it already have laws on the books in their criminal codes which disallow, which ban illegal things which are found to be illegal by a courtroom judge to be illegal and then it must be banned.
00:08:05 This Digital Services Act, which was tested in its first instance in Germany under its own domestic law called the Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz, the Network Enforcement Act, was basically a trial run of it.
00:08:22 There already we saw that they were deleting only legal content.
00:08:26 Well, it's quite obvious, you see, if you already have laws on the books which prohibit illegal things, the only way to censor legal stuff is to make a separate act for it, which is what the DSA is.
00:08:42 Let's look a little bit about the situation in the UK, which is covered quite generously in the Reason magazine article here, citing specifically the 2023 Online Safety Act.
00:08:55 The figure here in the article is produced of 50,000 arrests per year in the UK for speech and conduct issues.
00:09:06 And allied to that, and this is absolutely horrific, and I didn't know this was the case,
00:09:13 but in the UK, you don't even, and I'm citing the article, which, as I say, we had it up on the screen.
00:09:19 We'll try and sort of get that out so people can see this.
00:09:22 in the uk and i quote in the uk you don't need to break the law to be arrested so someone says
00:09:29 that they feel that they've been harmed by what you've said then you can be arrested and if
00:09:34 someone says that what you said is deeply offensive and they're distressed by it then
00:09:38 you can be arrested um and of course the article goes on to explain how people have been imprisoned
00:09:45 for their social media publications.
00:09:48 One thing I liked about this article, Andrea Seaman,
00:09:51 is that it draws out quite clearly this is what happens
00:09:57 where you don't have first, in countries that don't have
00:10:00 First Amendment protections. 0.78
00:10:03 And that's absolutely true because prima facie,
00:10:06 this wouldn't be able to take place in the United States.
00:10:09 However, with the regulation of free speech via the abolition of anonymity, that is what you're going to get to via the backdoor.
00:10:22 Could you just break that down and explain what the mechanism is there on how the removal of total anonymity for social media communications is a backdoor route to controlling free speech?
00:10:41 well obviously in the past when we didn't yet have the internet a lot of dissidents who
00:10:48 criticized the government or the powers that be had to publish anonymously under pseudonyms and
00:10:56 so on to protect themselves from censorship or worse punishments which would follow if it ever
00:11:02 got to light that they were the people making all this havoc about the government's policies
00:11:07 Now, these days, the Internet with social media, of course, allows everyone to publish anything they like, which can be viewed a thousand times over across the globe.
00:11:17 So rather than censoring people, the government would rather first abolish anonymity online
00:11:26 by imposing things like digital ID and it also wants to impose upon people the obligation
00:11:34 to register themselves online under their proper real name.
00:11:39 So there go your pseudonyms.
00:11:42 So, you know, if the government...
00:11:44 That's digital ID, right?
00:11:45 that that's the digital id that they're trying to bring in exactly exactly in other words if
00:11:53 they want to send police to your house if you said something they don't like they first want
00:11:58 to know where you live and that is much easier to find out if they know what your name is in full
00:12:04 in britain of course this is happening all the time now in germany as well they wish to
00:12:13 implement, at least this is a plan, the politicians are proposing a digital ID in the sense of that
00:12:22 everyone has to declare their full name with the abolition of anonymity entailed in that proposal.
00:12:31 All right, look, hold on to this, we're going to pick this up and talk about a very specific
00:12:35 case that you have been involved with in Germany, because that's how this ties together really from
00:12:40 from the general and the theoretical to the absolutely specific and particular first of all
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00:15:36 now because you have been on the show before you have explained the situation with cj hopkins the
00:15:41 american award-winning playwright living in germany his front door was i think kicked down by
00:15:49 in germany by three armed policemen um sent because they didn't like the line he was pushing
00:15:58 on COVID. That's how all of these things are tied together. That's why freedom of speech
00:16:06 is so important. Of course, in America, most Americans will say, oh, well, we've got First
00:16:11 Amendment protections. This could never happen here. Andrea, what's the warning from continental
00:16:16 Europe that we can give to our American cousins on the other side of the Atlantic?
00:16:22 well cj hopkins has just been fined 4 800 euros which cannot be challenged anymore so he has to
00:16:34 pay it for two tweets basically which he posted on twitter in 2022 during the covid lockdown era
00:16:44 where he criticized the then german health minister carl lauterbach carl lauterbach said
00:16:51 something about masks are always a symbolic gesture. And C.J. Hopkins agreed with him,
00:16:57 saying, yes, masks are a symbol of conformity, Mr. Lauterbach. And then Mr. C.J. Hopkins also
00:17:05 added an image of the cover of his book, The Rise of the New Normal Reich. Now, as I explained
00:17:12 previously, when I was on the show a few weeks ago, this was basically a swastika on the cover
00:17:18 of the book, covered by a COVID mask. And you could see the swastika through the COVID mask.
00:17:24 He was basically saying, if you remove the mask from the COVID measures behind it, you will find
00:17:29 something very authoritarian. And yeah, he was accused by the state prosecutor in Berlin of
00:17:36 breaching the article in the criminal code, which is directed against the use of anti-constitutional
00:17:43 symbols. And now for that, he has been fined 4,800 euros. That is basically a warning to America
00:17:51 not to allow the kind of censorship, which is pretty crazy of speech, to ever occur in your
00:17:58 country. Americans should be aware of this. But even more importantly, the DSA is the next step.
00:18:05 Because formally, what C.J. Hopkins did was, you know, against an article in the criminal code
00:18:12 with the dsa no criminal code is needed to censor what you say online
00:18:18 he got off lightly then effectively um i don't want to be too breezy about it but
00:18:25 if all he did all he got out with was and it's obviously robbery and as you say it's sending out
00:18:32 um a signal but um he it could have finished far worse for him than just basically a 5 000
00:18:38 euro fine for two tweets they could have done far more to him than that here in continental europe
00:18:44 right oh yes i mean he could have been taken into custody god knows uh what could have happened if
00:18:53 you know we we have a case in germany right now not our organization but there is a famous one
00:18:58 in berlin where a critic of the government in berlin basically has been taken into custody he's
00:19:06 been in a jail cell basically now for the last 15 days because he criticized that an official in
00:19:12 Berlin had basically platformed a known paedophile who is also a drag queen after it was known that
00:19:21 it was an individual of paedophilic orientation. And this man, Paul Brandenburg, he basically 0.58
00:19:29 criticized that very harshly on the behalf of people with any sense. And he's been taken into
00:19:35 custody now so yes mr cj hopkins did get off lightly although actually he didn't get off that
00:19:41 lightly because he's now got a criminal record which means that finding a job or an apartment
00:19:47 in future will be almost impossible if you ask me so this is this is the point right so americans
00:19:54 listening to this they'll hear that cj who's american living in germany he's got a criminal
00:20:00 record has been fined what about five thousand dollars for two anti-covid tweets and americans
00:20:08 will think well okay this is this is happening to an american living in continental europe you know
00:20:13 you pays you pays you know what's the expression you pays him when he takes your choice that's
00:20:18 what happens when you live in continental europe it can never happen in the united states we have
00:20:23 the first amendment but of course what what the big tech organizations are doing pushed always
00:20:30 by Brussels, by the EU, is to try to undermine First Amendment protections for Americans
00:20:36 by introducing backdoor censorship.
00:20:39 So the big internet providers, for example, they are going to be held,
00:20:45 supposedly they're expected to be held, American companies in America
00:20:51 policing American content in order to satisfy UK domestic law.
00:20:57 Now, that sounds outrageous, but the UK government was trying it on.
00:21:03 Trump basically said no to that, so they took a pause.
00:21:07 But this is literally taking place right now.
00:21:10 And, of course, the UK, in pushing these things,
00:21:15 like you cited Twitter, for example, and Facebook,
00:21:17 the UK has passed a law, I think it's the same,
00:21:21 2023 Online Safety Act,
00:21:23 where they can tell the tech agencies that aren't based in the UK whatsoever
00:21:30 to hand over to the UK government the private DM chat and what have you,
00:21:37 the profile activity of Americans using American services like Twitter
00:21:45 or what have you, and to give that to the UK government.
00:21:48 And they did this when there was still Joe Biden in charge, and I call me cynical, Andrea, but my suspicion was that the UK government was simply being used as a willing cipher here on behalf of the US government administration and services.
00:22:08 They couldn't directly order this to take place without a warrant in the United States, not legally.
00:22:15 So they wanted to do it via the UK so that they could spy on Americans' activities on social media, on the Internet, and then get them via the UK government.
00:22:28 That's my theory. 0.78
00:22:29 There has been, in the closing minutes that we have you, Andrea, I'd like you just to outline a potential glimmer of hope, which is the Granite Act in the United States, which might actually protect Americans and give them some protections regarding this foreign pushed snooping on Americans' internet activities. 0.60
00:22:54 yes um so what you were basically saying and i'd agree with that your theory has some merit
00:23:02 that the american government or the american state or deep state was pushing for that in britain
00:23:07 to subvert the first amendment in the u.s um however one should never underestimate european
00:23:14 censors ambition to censor their own people and the entire world so i would say that you know
00:23:22 Glimmer of hope.
00:23:24 The Granite Act is, of course, very good, yes.
00:23:27 However, I would caution Americans to always inquire,
00:23:31 because the main point is that under the DSA, for instance,
00:23:35 if an American posts something, and he lives in New York, let's say,
00:23:38 and a British person in London can see it online on X,
00:23:43 what that American posted,
00:23:44 the EU then thinks that if it is visible in the EU,
00:23:49 then it falls under the jurisdiction of the EU and its DSA,
00:23:54 which is why it's pressuring these American companies to censor these things.
00:23:58 Now, the appropriate question there would be, if I were the American state,
00:24:03 was it ever found to be illegal by a judge?
00:24:07 If not, it is legal, in which case, what's the problem?
00:24:10 That is the fundamental question.
00:24:12 There is no justification, no good justification whatsoever,
00:24:16 accept the justification of gross tyranny to delete something which has never been found to be illegal
00:24:22 and therefore is legal, it's just unbelievably authoritarian and totalitarian. So I think that's
00:24:30 the way to fight this, to say that it is deleting legal things despite their legality. That is the
00:24:37 glimmer of hope by which we can destroy this entire legislative framework. Just give me 60
00:24:44 seconds before you go tell me what you would like to see because i know you're pretty hot on civil
00:24:50 liberties what would you like to what would be the dream um solution for for americans and europeans
00:24:58 in in order to preserve and protect their um their internet integrity and privacy just give
00:25:05 me 60 seconds if you wouldn't mind on that one well the dream solution is of course to have a
00:25:12 First Amendment and to say that only things are allowed to be deleted which have been found to
00:25:19 be illegal by a court, judge or jury, by an appropriate authority. Absent that, there is
00:25:26 no justification whatsoever for deleting lawful legal speech. And that is basically exactly what
00:25:33 we should aim for. It's a basic principle of the Enlightenment. You are innocent until proven
00:25:38 guilty and everything is legal until it has been declared illegal by an appropriate authority
00:25:44 all right um so it's basically just the protect two key protections here on um on due process
00:25:53 and on free speech applied also to europeans actually from the america proper american
00:26:00 understanding on that is that europeans already have those rights because they've given them to
00:26:05 god we just need to get our governments to recognize them and very seaman thanks as always
00:26:10 where do people go on the internet and on social media to find out more about bundness where to
00:26:16 freiheit and perhaps give you a follow or perhaps a financial donation because you pass that money
00:26:22 on to help the legal challenges of people like cj hopkins yes thank you very much um we are to be
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00:26:39 also find our donations page and our website and you can also find our youtube channel online
00:26:46 though it is mostly in german and we'd be very happy for the nations to come in because to fight
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00:32:15 The Agence France Press, the AFP, one of the three great, along with the Associated Press and Reuters,
00:32:24 one of the world's historic, one of the three great press agencies,
00:32:29 has a very interesting article out today talking about the summit
00:32:36 that's due to take place in China on the 18th and 19th of November
00:32:45 between the U.S., Russia, and China.
00:32:50 It's going to be held in Shenzhen.
00:32:52 And the AFP, their take on this is that this could potentially be a second Yalta.
00:33:05 Yalta, you will remember, is that, you have the photo here, the great summit in now Ukraine with Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin,
00:33:18 where they carved up Europe and said which of the sphere, 0.61
00:33:23 which of the countries would be abandoned into the clutches of the USSR,
00:33:28 which of the countries would be left into the Western European sphere.
00:33:36 And that's basically the demarcation around which the Cold War,
00:33:42 the conclusion of the Second World War some months later,
00:33:45 But that is basically where the Cold War picked off from.
00:33:52 Now, the war room's favourite personality,
00:33:59 Vladimir Zelensky, has raised the alarm on what's taking place.
00:34:04 I can see Dr. Thayer's laughing already.
00:34:09 Dear old President Zelensky has raised the alarm
00:34:14 because he feels that Shenson, the Shenson Summit, could be this Yalta-like redistribution of the spheres of influence for the 21st century.
00:34:25 So my opening question to you, Dr. Thayer, is, is he right to have that concern? And would that be such a bad thing?
00:34:36 I think he's not right to have that concern.
00:34:42 And I think that if Putin, Xi, and President Trump get together at the APEC summit next week, November 18th and 19th in communist China, they're going to have a lot to discuss.
00:35:01 Artificial intelligence, they're going to perhaps talk about nuclear issues as well.
00:35:06 inevitably, the war is going to come up, Ukraine-Russia war. Those three actors have
00:35:13 very different self-interests. Xi Jinping wants that war to continue. Ben, as you've argued time
00:35:22 and again for years now, Zelensky also wants that war to continue for his own selfish purposes,
00:35:31 for his political purposes. President Trump and Putin are a little bit closer together in terms
00:35:41 of their interest and desire, we would hope, to end the conflict in Putin's sense. Trump definitely
00:35:49 wants to end the conflict. So the three coming together, Putin, Xi Jinping, and President Trump,
00:35:56 are defined by two elements. One, they have differing incentives to end the conflict.
00:36:03 And secondly, they have different elements of power in international politics. President Trump
00:36:12 is far more powerful than Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping. So he's got and should have the dominant
00:36:20 voice. So is it like Yalta? No, it's not like Yalta. And Zelensky, of course, is fearful that
00:36:30 Trump and Putin may come together and actually work out some type of a modus vivendi, some type
00:36:37 of at least an ascent agreement that would allow a ceasefire that Zelensky does not want. Again,
00:36:48 And he wants that war to continue. 0.57
00:36:51 Don't you think a Yalta-like delineation formally agreed to by,
00:36:57 at least by America and China, but also by Russia,
00:37:04 don't you think that would have a stabilizing influence on the world
00:37:08 if everybody knew basically what the red lines were territorially?
00:37:14 um no because they never work don't you think that don't you think that this part of the strife
00:37:21 of the present situation is the ambiguity of which countries um are satellites which countries
00:37:28 are buffers you know and uh forces countries into um into taking risky adventurous behavior
00:37:37 and then other countries into defending their their national interests i mean the whole ukraine
00:37:43 thing is doesn't that arise out of nato basically overstepping the the prudential lines that were
00:37:53 somewhat ambiguously left yes and putin's folly his supreme folly in thinking that he could have
00:38:01 a quick and decisive victory in that conflict which turned into his world war one uh with
00:38:07 tremendous humanitarian consequences for the people of ukraine and the people of russia
00:38:12 and we're not out of the woods yet ben in this conflict it could escalate uh still so uh no i
00:38:21 i don't believe for a moment that things are clearer because spheres of influence are always
00:38:26 an illusion uh they're always violated uh so i don't i know what i know perfectly well why you're
00:38:35 not gonna buy the um spheres of influence thesis on this and we're going to come back to that in
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00:42:41 Dr. Thayer, so that is, I suppose, one of the reasons you're not going to buy into the Sphere of Influence thesis.
00:42:51 It's just one of the reasons why you won't want to be seeing a Yalta 2 emerge
00:42:56 out of Shenzhen next week in China because of Taiwan, right? 0.99
00:43:00 That's the elephant in the living room.
00:43:07 Well, no, no, because communist China is a communist dictatorship.
00:43:12 It's an illegitimate government.
00:43:14 So why would we respect the sphere of influence of that regime, of that evil totalitarian regime?
00:43:25 So I don't, for a moment, think that we should lay or abide by any effort that they're attempting to restrain us or to establish any type of equality.
00:43:37 They are an illegitimate regime that are beyond the bounds of international society, and they should be expelled from it.
00:43:44 And then as a practical matter, Ben, spheres of influence never work because by the laws of power politics that define a great power behavior, what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine, right?
00:44:00 Great powers have a tendency to be rapacious, and so respect for spheres of influence very seldom works.
00:44:14 So we should never respect—communist China is not the legitimate government of China.
00:44:21 It does not represent the people of China, and so we should not recognize that at all. 0.92
00:44:31 It's beyond the bounds of international society. 0.99
00:44:34 So from my perspective, we need to recognize that.
00:44:40 the true legitimate government of China is going to be determined by the Chinese people
00:44:46 themselves. And I think the sooner that we arrive at that conclusion and act like that,
00:44:53 that would be a very positive step for hastening the day when the Chinese Communist Party,
00:44:58 led by that Stalinist dictator, Xi Jinping, because this is a man who is purging his party.
00:45:05 This is a man who has ambitions that are rivaled only by Stalin and Mao, and that is very dangerous for the Chinese people, but also for American national security.
00:45:21 And we and, of course, other states and international politics need to recognize just how dangerous that man is, Xi Jinping.
00:45:31 Okay. On the likening, on the comparison of President Xi to Stalin,
00:45:40 the FT had a blinder of an article this week, quite an in-depth article,
00:45:48 talking about Xi's purges, and just recently for their fifth plenum of their Congress,
00:45:59 of their central committee there was um the the the interesting fact that the purges now have
00:46:06 reached the highest point going back 50 years in china what do you make of that um in terms of she's
00:46:14 trying so desperately to solidify his power within the within the ccp party um do you think there's
00:46:24 any potential, or at least that he fears that his fourth, his unprecedented fourth mandate
00:46:31 that I think is due to start, is it next year, the following year? Might that be 2027? Might
00:46:39 that be under threat? Are the purges increasing of the party apparatchiks, even at relatively
00:46:47 low level? Is this a sign of paranoia and desperation that she thinks his regime is
00:46:54 coming to an end? That's an interpretation which is certainly defensible when you're looking at
00:47:00 this. You could make a strong argument that he's fearful, and so he's purging. More purging
00:47:08 generates more fear of his own, and he needs to go further and purge more. I see it that what he's
00:47:17 attempting to do is the man truly is a communist. He believes in communist ideology. He believes
00:47:25 in political education and the importance of political education. And he is determined to
00:47:33 impose his will on the Chinese Communist Party and the People's Liberation Army.
00:47:39 And this is what we're witnessing. Ben, we've had remarkable events in the last two years, and particularly at the Fifth Plenum. You've had basically one quarter, one out of four members, whether they're voting members or non-voting members, did not show up to this.
00:48:03 And that is extraordinary. You know, if you are a member of the Central Committee, you show up unless you are extraordinary circumstances.
00:48:12 So it was basically it was basically empty. Right. The panel of the panel was was just empty spaces because they'd all been purged.
00:48:22 But let's look at the figures. It reminds you of the commissar vanishes. It reminds you of the commissar vanishes. Right. Folks are disappearing.
00:48:30 they're being airbrushed out in real time but under Xi's predecessor Hu Jintao that was the
00:48:39 guy if you remember the last congress he was escorted out um quite astonishing quite astonishing
00:48:45 and to this day Dr Thea I'm not sure we've ever been given the world or even the Chinese people
00:48:51 have ever been given an explanation as to why that took place they said at the time that he
00:48:56 was feeling unwell but he certainly didn't seem to be um in fact he was resisting uh his forcible
00:49:02 removal but still under the then president jintai um there was an average 145 000 per year
00:49:16 under president she in the middle of his unprecedented third term there's just a little
00:49:28 under a million these are that's to say a million purges of party apparatchiks these are huge huge
00:49:34 numbers dr bradley thayer and it strikes me that there is something else going on there than
00:49:41 simply the desire to stamp out corruption because corruption is rife, has always been
00:49:49 rife. And it is part of the reason that the CCP one party system exists. So when they're
00:49:56 throwing their hands up, it's like that scene in Casablanca, isn't it? When Captain Renault
00:50:01 closes down Rick's Casino, he says, I'm shocked, shocked that there's gambling going on here.
00:50:08 And just as the place is running up, someone goes, you're winning, Captain.
00:50:13 Thank you very much.
00:50:13 He says, pocketing it as he walks out.
00:50:15 That is how I see the situation here with President Xi throwing his hands in the air,
00:50:23 claiming he's shocked and disgusted at the corruption.
00:50:26 That is why the CCP exists.
00:50:29 So I think there's something else going on here.
00:50:30 Just give me one closing minute, if you wouldn't mind, on that and the dynamic in the CCP right now,
00:50:36 that one million purging of last year?
00:50:40 The world needs to see Xi Jinping in the same way they see Mao Zedong
00:50:44 or Joseph Stalin, communist tyrants who purged their parties ruthlessly
00:50:51 with an effectiveness which was terrifying, of course.
00:51:00 Xi Jinping is able to do it so effectively, Ben, because this communist China is a surveillance all the 24-7, of course, and he's able to police his cadres very effectively.
00:51:18 What has he done?
00:51:19 He's accomplished everything that Stalin did and that Mao did, and it's remarkable.
00:51:25 He has control over the PLA.
00:51:27 There are two members of the Central Military Commission, Xi Jinping as its chairman and one other member.
00:51:35 That is extraordinary.
00:51:37 And that is a demonstration that Xi does not care about the People's Liberation Army.
00:51:44 He is not going to give it a voice.
00:51:47 And so think of Stalin or Mao when you're thinking of Xi.
00:51:50 all right folks if you want more of this analysis from the guy that's just been expounding the
00:52:00 recent events in china this is a great book for you to get just very quickly dr bradley
00:52:06 where do people go um and broaden and deepen their knowledge
00:52:12 folks can find me at bradthera on x or bradley thera getter and truth and uh the book is
00:52:19 available at amazon thank you very much ben okay but there it is up on the screen america's 100
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