In this episode, we have a conversation with Sunil Pinnamaneni, CEO of VaynerSpeakers, a company that specialises in AI and machine learning. We talk about the benefits and risks of AI, how it will impact our daily lives, and what to do about it.
00:08:40.000I wanted to talk about who those players were, because as a matter of fact, what these people are saying is so revolutionary about the structure of human society and culture.
00:08:50.000They essentially said, and I want to make sure the artist understands this, and I can tell you by, and this is what we've warned about, that these things start accelerating at an accelerating rate.
00:09:01.000The pickup on artificial intelligence is ahead of the curve.
00:09:05.000What they're rolling out now, I think, is ahead of the curve where people thought it's going to be.
00:09:09.000And they're talking about, yes, people, the younger people, particularly in Africa and Asia, it's going to totally not just disrupt industries,
00:09:16.000it's going to disrupt the way you actually live, and that they're going to have to adapt to it.
00:09:21.000Just give me a quick summary of this panel, which was the most prestigious panel on artificial intelligence they had, where literally, if you're paying attention and understand the buried leads, they're dropping one bomb after the other.
00:10:00.000Julie Sweet, the head of Accenture, which is a metaverse company.
00:10:03.000They're one of the few metaverse companies that is actually thriving right now.
00:10:07.000And as you heard her talking about, the goal at this point isn't necessarily technological development, although there's some kinks to be ironed out.
00:10:15.000The big goal is to get adoption of these technologies.
00:10:20.000That's been the real resistance point.
00:10:22.000People have not been as interested in virtual conferences as they had hoped, although it should really be emphasized that these things have really taken off in the industrial sector and also in training.
00:10:35.000So like for mechanics, especially large scale machinery and also for medical school training.
00:10:42.000Virtual reality is used regularly just as a matter of practice.
00:10:46.000Then you had Arvind Krishna, the CEO of IBM.
00:10:51.000Of course, that's the company that created and now houses Watson, one of the most powerful artificial intelligence systems on Earth.
00:10:59.000And then, you know, the guy who is running the panel is Thompson, Nicholas Thompson, who's now CEO of the Atlantic, was the editor in chief of Wired magazine.
00:11:13.000He, you know, this is a guy who's been on top of technology basically his entire career.
00:11:19.000He is not being disingenuous when he says that these technologies really are on the up curve.
00:11:26.000Right. That this S curve that they keep talking about is just it's basically the exponential ramping up the technologies and then a sort of leveling off and continual improvement.
00:11:36.000Of course, the transhumanist goal and ideal is for that exponential increase to just keep going and going towards the singularity.
00:12:55.000Updated tools, molecular biology tools, CRISPR, things like genomic barcoding that allow you to now have way more control over where you want to insert DNA across an organism and DNA synthesis that allows you to make that DNA.
00:13:07.000Finally, the learning side of things is genomics.
00:13:11.000So because we've had a revolution in our ability to read DNA over the last 30 years, we now have huge corpuses of raw DNA data from nature that we can mine to find new biology to develop new products.
00:13:23.000You know, we have a very prolific drug discovery engine that, as I mentioned, takes advantage of all the biomedical data we can ingest over the past four and a half years.
00:13:33.000And it really gives scientists superpowers, especially the pandemic.
00:13:37.000You know, it is literally shown as a mirror.
00:13:39.000The power to leverage AI, the power to leverage quantum computing, the ability to harness, you know, augmented reality, combine it with, of course, the power of science, and enhance it by these technologies.
00:13:52.000I think you have a number of solutions even cutting across the first world, second world, and the third world.
00:13:58.000In the WEF, over the last three days, I don't think there's been a single session where climate change was not discussed.
00:14:03.000Industrial biotechnology, again, the power of industrial biotech to come out with resilient solutions, you know, to the climate changing situations is, again, hugely undermined and hugely underestimated.
00:14:14.000Particularly in the EU, there's a lot of, I mean, you know, climate is top priority.
00:14:18.000Actually, all the big regulations that are driving sustainable aviation fuel and all that stuff is coming out of the EU.
00:14:23.000The technology that's going to deliver that is industrial biotechnology.
00:14:58.000So, that gentleman that we just saw, Jason Kelly, head of Ginkgo Bioworks.
00:15:05.000People who have been watching the show for the last six, seven months will remember that Ginkgo Bioworks is the biotech corporation that Renee Wegrezen comes out of.
00:15:17.000Renee Wegrezen is now the director of the newly formed ARPA-H, the Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health.
00:15:26.000She has a long history with DARPA, the defense end of those research projects.
00:15:33.000And you'll also recall that Wegrezen openly acknowledges that biotechnology, particularly genetic engineering, is heading on a trajectory to create a sort of humanity 2.0,
00:15:48.000in which all the genetic flaws of human beings are ironed out and winnowed away, but also the enhancement of human beings for intelligence, for looks, for even mood patterns, things like that.
00:16:03.000You'll also recall that the Biden administration signed the biotechnology and biomanufacturing initiative, which used the same language they're talking about earlier, programming the genes in a cell as if you were programming software.
00:16:19.000This is the sort of hubris we're talking about, funded by the federal government, pushed by an up-and-coming biotech corporation that has these bio foundries, these sort of automated foundries that create and analyze all of these strands of DNA in order to find sort of the perfect brew for various applications in industry and elsewhere, and especially medicine.
00:16:46.560And then you have this guy on the stage at the world economic forum, talking about how the biotech at the core of his corporation will go forward to basically geoengineer the atmosphere.
00:17:00.820They hope to create plants that will be enhanced to draw carbon out of the atmosphere or bacteria to draw carbon out of the atmosphere,
00:17:10.540meaning that you're basically going to have to seed the earth or perhaps seed the ocean.
00:17:18.220There are many, many, many different sorts of schemes for this with mutant bacteria or mutant plants to draw the carbon out of the atmosphere,
00:17:26.760basically to put us in control of the weather.
00:17:30.480This is, I can't really emphasize enough how arrogant these people are.
00:17:36.820And you can really see it in the way, if you watch the entire segment, see it in the way he kind of batters the EU regulatory guy that was sitting next to him for not really being ahead of this.
00:17:47.460So they're pushing hard for regulation.
00:17:49.920But I think the big question in all of this is whose interests will those regulations serve?
00:17:55.540And I think it's pretty clear that the interests served will definitely be the wealthiest and also really the most kind of leftist inclined in our government and in the various other technology industries.
00:18:09.880Although we'll see in a moment, there are exceptions to that rule.
00:18:14.340If we do have a moment, actually, if we could go ahead and roll.
00:18:22.180I want to know at the very beginning, they talked about.
00:18:25.540The combination of my two favorite topics, artificial intelligence and CRISPR.
00:18:30.680Explain what they were discussing there, because it's very disturbing.
00:18:34.400Yeah, this is something we've covered a lot.
00:18:36.680And so what artificial intelligence does, it gives the corporations working on these sort of new novel proteins a way to predict how mutations will affect the organism in question.
00:18:58.060Google's alpha fold has been really pretty astonishing in its ability to go from just a raw gene and take that and predict how the protein will fold and therefore how the protein will behave.
00:19:13.760What this does is it allows, as he just mentioned, it allows computer scientists basically to do a lot of the work that would have otherwise had to be done in the lab.
00:19:26.640One of the most immediate impacts of this is going to be in the coming wave of mRNA vaccines.
00:19:32.820We've covered this a lot, how Moderna in particular has a philosophy in which they see the genetic code as software.
00:19:41.680They see the human body as a sort of operating system and they see vaccination, mRNA vaccination as information therapy, this sort of bio digital convergence.
00:19:55.280This blurring of the lines between the physical, digital and biological worlds, as Klaus Schwab would say, with the fourth industrial revolution.
00:20:05.520And make no mistake, whether or not these new vaccines work, just like we saw with the COVID vaccines, none of these people are admitting that they made a huge mistake there.
00:20:17.960None of these people are admitting the tremendous sort of overreach of the government and various corporations and forcing people to get these COVID mRNA based vaccines.
00:20:28.420And so you can be sure that this new wave coming out of Pfizer, coming out of Moderna, this new wave of mRNA based vaccines that are created on the back of all of these advancements in artificial intelligence are going to be, if not delivered to mass amounts of the population as a new human experiment, perhaps mandated on a large portion of the population.
00:20:52.320You can be sure in more oppressive countries, you can be sure in more oppressive countries, that is exactly what's going to happen.
00:20:57.020And unfortunately, the more oppressive country category may well include the U.S.
00:21:02.440It depends on who's controlling the government and who has the ability to put pressure on the corporations at this point.
00:21:09.860Let's go ahead and have Logan put up your next clip.
00:21:16.520And it seems when we look at the fourth industrial revolution, that now in technological development, when you look at the S-curve, we are really at the point where we have the exponential development.
00:21:33.000I sort of think about it as there's one S-curve where we are at the tip, where it's now about deployment, diffusion, mainstream.
00:21:42.660And then we now have essentially an emergence of a completely new set of technology, which I think is going to be a revolutionary.
00:21:51.260I think we all feel it will be a revolution, but there is a certain fear, particularly about artificial intelligence.
00:21:58.360People feel it dishumanizes us and so on.
00:22:01.920Now, what steps do we need, actually, to make sure that those technologies, particularly artificial intelligence, remain society-oriented and human-centered?
00:22:13.800Things we think a lot about is how to deploy this technology to empower human beings to do more.
00:22:22.660Maybe the cloud and mobile took 15 years.
00:22:25.920And now, I think we're talking months.
00:22:27.620We think of both the unintended consequences and the benefits both being something that we harness.
00:22:33.460So you feel that GPT and similar technology will become very fast, penetrating our lives, business lives, but also personal lives?
00:22:45.560We all remember in 2007, 2008, sort of that was the last time I would say we had major platforms being born, right?
00:22:53.960The mobile platform and the cloud platform.
00:22:57.280And, you know, in the last 15 years, they've gone mainstream.
00:23:00.680I think that the AI piece in this particular generation of AI is showing that type of, I would say, platform shift.
00:23:09.900We started the work with OpenAI, I would say, three and a half years ago, when we started building the AI supercomputer in Azure to train these large models.
00:23:19.960And when you look at GPT-3 to 3.5 to what's coming, these are non-linear developments.
00:23:37.980Explain the participants and what do they tell us?
00:23:42.120Of course, everybody knows our favorite Bond villain, Klaus Schwab.
00:23:47.820And that was CEO of Microsoft, Satya Nadella, who's very tightly coupled with the World Economic Forum on a number of projects and initiatives to basically push these sorts of technologies out.
00:24:03.500It's really important to remember that as people talk about ChatGPT, which is an artificial intelligence platform that allows people to ask it questions and they're doing their best and they've done a kind of a terrifying job at creating a platform that does give coherent answers, even if a lot of times those answers are ridiculous and wrong for now.
00:24:26.780And even if those answers tend to skew towards the sort of, you know, politically correct territory, that platform, OpenAI is the creator.
00:24:38.740And OpenAI, of course, initially funded by Elon Musk, has used Microsoft's cloud platform in order to be able to disseminate the apps to the million plus users that it's accumulated.
00:24:56.840And so, and Microsoft also is important to remember as just, I'm not sure where the deal stands at this moment, but they are looking to invest $10 billion into OpenAI for ChatGPT and Dolly2, integrating basically these artificial intelligence platforms into the larger corporate structure.
00:25:19.520The importance of all of this is that this wave is coming fast.
00:25:49.520They're going to be able to find out what they're going to do, they're going to do, they're going to pour the products of artificial intelligence-based intellects and creativity into the wider culture via the old smartphone, which basically everyone on the planet, you know, in the near future at least, certainly in America, everyone is absorbed in.
00:26:12.020They're trying to sell you on the idea that it's a good thing, that they overhype it plenty, but it is not overhyped enough for my comfort levels.
00:26:22.180Oh, no, it's a, it can go, it could become a dystopia quite quickly.
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00:31:32.760But I want to talk about it because one of the things coming out of Davos is how they think that the, you know,
00:31:39.820low-level paralegal type work for law firms can all be done by this now.
00:31:45.080But specifically what grabbed my attention was healthcare, that they think, particularly in regional locations, et cetera, where you're short of doctors,
00:31:53.100you'll be talking to a robot or to a computer with artificial intelligence, like a GPT,
00:31:58.740and they'll take care of the diagnosis on a lot, you know, much more accurate than a human being.
00:32:05.200You know, this is something else that we covered at this point probably two and a half years ago, the reliance on artificial intelligence in the healthcare industry.
00:32:16.980I'm actually right now here in the southeast.
00:32:19.340I'm around a lot of doctors who are talking about this, radiologists and so forth.
00:32:22.440And artificial intelligence is moving into the healthcare industry in two ways that I'll hit.
00:32:28.540One, what you just mentioned, telemedicine.
00:32:31.920So one aspect of telemedicine, which, of course, they really crammed down our throats with the pandemic
00:32:37.860because of the supposed fear of doctors contracting illness.
00:32:42.240Telemedicine means that you're either speaking to a doctor or, more likely, a nurse practitioner via Zoom or some other platform,
00:32:50.540or you're speaking directly to some sort of advanced large language model or chatbot that's able to give answers
00:32:59.300and organize, basically, the industry where you would have otherwise, like, you know, human beings doing it.
00:33:06.640And you also, with ChatGPT, one thing that a lot of people, I'm sure, have noticed,
00:33:11.060when you go to see your doctor, or especially if you go to see a nurse practitioner,
00:33:15.240oftentimes you tell them your symptoms and they'll just immediately go over to a computer and start looking it up.
00:33:20.540Now, that's good. I think it actually, you know, it has increased the accuracy of diagnoses.
00:33:26.680But what we're talking about, at least in certain people's ideals,
00:33:30.320is that the artificial intelligence systems, these large language models also being integrated with other systems,
00:33:38.260are going to creep in as a way to diagnose disease, to basically organize the problems
00:33:44.540and reach what they believe to be a superior solution.
00:33:48.000One other aspect, you know, we hit before, artificial intelligence systems have actually proven
00:33:54.040to be more accurate than human beings in many cases in identifying very small irregularities in a body system, right,
00:36:04.560I think we're seeing it almost take off in the industrial space faster than anywhere else.
00:36:10.400People need to collaborate when they're on a factory floor to repair machinery.
00:36:15.480And we've been embarked for, frankly, decades on a path where we've been able to collaborate more closely with new technologies.
00:36:24.060And we're seeing this, you know, obviously accelerate as a result of the pandemic.
00:36:29.740We all became accustomed to interacting through video.
00:36:33.620The metaverse is another and the next dimension to this.
00:36:37.080This particular project, in our view, is of enormous importance for the world because of the role that the World Economic Forum plays in the world.
00:36:49.440This is an opportunity to create a village without borders.
00:36:54.000Our aspiration now in 2023 is to take this from what we call private preview to what we always call in our industry GA or general availability.
00:37:05.640I have to say, for me, it was the first experience to use an avatar.
00:38:37.900And so, they're selling it as the future of collaboration and business.
00:38:42.920They're selling it as the future of –
00:38:43.580But let me just say, as a guy who was an investment banker, you know, you see industries and they start and they got a billion dollars in revenue or $3 billion of revenue or $5 or $10.
00:38:57.300My point is when they're selling this, they're talking about something that's such a game changer just even where business aligns itself.
00:39:04.340When they talk $3 billion in less than 24 months, that's unheard of.
00:39:09.580If you go into a pitch and hear, hey, this industry, this sub thing we're working on could be – even as gross as the thing could be a billion dollars in a couple of years, $5 billion in five years.
00:39:20.280Those even – you have to – when they walk in and say – and people that are credentialized and say $8 trillion in 24 months, you're going to have every venture.
00:39:29.560The point is it's just like in transhumanism.
00:39:33.680You're going to have a massive shift to capital.
00:39:35.520You're going to have people putting so much, and I mean hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars into this.
00:39:42.700And this gets back to the ARPA-H, while we have a whole-of-government approach, which is going to put billions of dollars through the weapons labs and everywhere else in this.
00:39:52.380The point – the aspirations of these people are breathtaking.
00:39:56.020From someone that's financed industries or financed companies and industries before, it is absolutely breathtaking.
00:40:02.080And when you think about the amount of money that's been either invested or lost to date, it's pretty audacious, sir.
00:40:07.820You know, we covered the metaverse a lot last year, a lot.
00:40:13.540And that was a time when all of these waves of propaganda were coming out about how the metaverse is the future of technology.
00:40:23.880And people saw meta tank, and so they thought to themselves, okay, well, that's it for the metaverse.
00:40:28.600But it's really important to remember, meta is not the metaverse.
00:40:32.700The metaverse is basically the entire sort of virtual or digital industry.
00:40:38.280So that you've got – it's the design of creating a sort of parallel universe in which people will exist through augmented reality, through virtual reality, through digital goods like NFTs and other sorts of – you know, the kind of cryptocurrency and things like this.
00:40:57.720And so it spreads across a lot of different aspects of the technology sector.
00:41:03.340And it has actually had a tremendous amount of success in education, particularly in medical education.
00:41:11.260It allows medical students basically to practice surgeries or to explore anatomy without actually having to get their hands dirty.
00:41:19.980And I've been told by a lot of people who work in various manufacturing or even warehouse sector or warehouse industries that you see augmented reality used all the time, not necessarily with glasses because the glasses are really expensive.
00:41:35.700Right now, Microsoft has the most advanced, the HoloLens 2, and last I checked, it was well over 1,000.
00:41:42.640I think it used to be 3,000, somewhere around there.
00:41:46.020But where they do use it, they use pads like iPads and things like that in order to examine machinery or in order to basically collaborate and show each other kind of what's going on in the machinery of a system.
00:41:58.980So just because they haven't really created a virtual reality goggle set and sort of, you know, the software framework that has appealed to the mass public yet, I think there is a huge desire on the part, especially of young people, especially young men, to have virtual worlds that they can immerse themselves into.
00:42:21.920You see it with video gaming right now, they don't have a virtual reality set that is superior to sitting in front of a big screen TV with a super complicated shooter game or, you know, swords and wizards game or whatever.
00:42:34.520But I see unless the technology just stalls and comes to a grinding halt, I see no reason why that demand won't be met by the next wave of kind of metaverse or virtual reality technologies.
00:42:48.160It's one of those things that we'll say, we'll see, but I really do think that as much as there is a desire, unless there's a technical limitation, it's coming.
00:42:59.280It's just a matter of getting the adoption as Julie Sweet, the Accenture CEO says.
00:43:07.300And if I could just say one thing about before we move on, whether it's artificial intelligence, whether it is bioengineering, especially engineering your own body, whether it is metaverse technologies or other forms of sort of sensory or mental augmentation.
00:43:24.720The argument made again and again, whether it's Elon Musk, whether it's Joe Rogan, whether it's Ray Kurzweil, Ben Gertzel, Hugo de Garris, any of these people on the kind of transhumanism wavelength, they all make the argument that those people in the long run over the next 10, 20, 30 years, those people who do not adopt
00:43:47.720and employ these technologies will be left behind, you will not be able to compete because the people who do adopt them will be superior to you, they'll get the better jobs, they'll be better on the battlefield, so on and so forth.
00:44:02.280It's really important to remember, though, when you look at this sort of argument from competition, a big part, a big reason why these sorts of technologies become necessary to compete with neighbors is because the technology corporations and those who lean towards these sort of transhumanist worldviews, they are ultimately trying to change the entire sort of ecosystem, so to speak, that we live in.
00:44:28.180They are trying to change the previous 250,000 year in the making organic human way of life and replace that environment with a new, entirely digitized, entirely technological way of life.
00:44:44.780And so, yes, of course, at the end of that, should that process actually seep into every aspect of society, then of course you're not going to be able to compete because those are the new rules of the game.
00:44:55.340And I think that's a really important point to remember, that they are transforming the world in a way that forces you to adopt these sorts of things in order to become or to be a part of society.
00:45:08.700You see that with digital currency, that's coming down the pike.
00:45:11.720And we saw it big time with the pandemic, those who would not take an experimental mRNA-based information therapy, as Moderna would put it, into their bodies were, at least for a time, and in some institutions still are, not able to participate in society.
00:45:31.740This would be a great point if we can go there, if we can go there, hit the Palantir.
00:45:39.020Let's go ahead and play the other clip.
00:46:14.920The In-Q-Tel gave us three pilots, one with the FBI, one with the agency, and one with a more classified part of the DoD, because they were struggling with finding out where terrorists were putting improvised explosives.
00:46:29.400And we figured that out in our product.
00:46:31.880By the way, and now it's not just American clandestine services.
00:46:35.520Probably the clandestine service, almost every, if you're in a Western country, it's your country as well, whether they tell you that or not.
00:46:41.040We want people who want to be on the side of the West, making the West a better society, more able to defend themselves, protect data protection.
00:46:50.660We have a product that is not well-known called MetaConstellation, and that product allows you to take, use algorithms on large data sets to hone in on adversaries over, say, for example, a whole country.
00:47:04.140And the integration of data from, the infusion of data from satellite, telephones, other sources, classified sources, and then the disambiguation of that so people only see what they are allowed to see on the battlefield.
00:47:15.080The Ukrainians, then we were asked if we were willing to supply our product philanthropically, basically, for free.
00:47:23.400And I was very in favor of this because our primary mission is, in fact, to set a global standard for the world for behavior.
00:47:29.860The product then allowed them, according to this article, to do targeting with, like, a factor of 20 better.
00:47:39.400The U.S. government has our software and uses it very aggressively.
00:47:46.580The great companies in military technology are going to be in Silicon Valley, the Ukraine, and Israel.
00:47:53.220We, in America, Western countries, we should learn also from the Ukrainians what actually worked on the battlefield.
00:48:03.220If that doesn't scare you to the core of your being, you will have to play for it again, Joe Allen.
00:48:09.200So, that, I think, really, really drives it home how that's where the rubber hits the road on the competitive edge.
00:48:19.080Because what Alex Karp is talking about there is if you are not able to afford or get access to Palantir-grade technologies, either through them or someone else, you are not going to be militarily competitive.
00:48:36.680And this is a point that Eric Schmidt has driven home again and again.
00:48:41.540And as I've said for a year now, it's one of the points that I agree with him with, agree with him on.
00:48:56.280The lead is, the buried lead is that it is being used against U.S. citizens.
00:49:01.380It is, I mean, he said the government has this software, exactly everything you're talking about.
00:49:06.680It can be and is being used against U.S. citizens.
00:49:09.680This is the whole reason we have the weaponization of government, you know, the Church Committee.
00:49:15.120This is what Frank Church, that conversation right there, if you juxtapose Frank Church talking to that press conference in, I think, 1973, 74,
00:49:25.740and warning about what the government had as far as technology then, and you hear Karp right then,
00:49:33.240Alex Karp's discussion with Rubenstein there at, that's David Rubenstein of Carlisle Group,
00:49:40.180the multi-headed octopus in Washington, D.C.
00:49:43.640It is exactly what Frank Church warned about.
00:49:47.720So I understand they're pitching, hey, don't be part of the CCP, be part of us, all that.
00:50:53.480You'll find the shortcuts at Twitter, same address.
00:50:56.620And, of course, you can find the work I've done to try to piece a lot of this together over the course of the last couple of years at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z.
00:51:06.040Steve, I got to say, you hit the nail on the head at the end there.
00:51:09.920I probably would have babbled forever before getting to it.
00:51:12.300And absolutely, our government is using these technologies against us.
00:51:19.160And they will, to the extent that they are allowed and to the extent these technologies give them the capability of doing so,
00:51:25.760will use it to crush resistance in any way possible.