WarRoom Battleground EP 217： WEF Selling Digital Dehumanization
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On today's show, we have a special report from Florida on the latest shenanigans going on in the Republican National Committee, including a no confidence vote in Ronna McDaniel and a protest in Tallahassee, Florida.
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This is what you're fighting for. I mean, every day you're out there.
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If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors,
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the authoritarians get total control and total power.
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Because this is just like in Arizona. This is just like in Georgia.
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It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
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This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. As we've told you, this is the fight.
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
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War Room Battleground. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
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Okay, welcome. You're in the War Room. It is Friday, January, year of war, 2023.
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Two years ago today was the installation of the regime, right, as we talked about on the five o'clock hour.
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A lot going on. Joe Allen's got a special report for us on Davos.
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We're going to get to that in a moment, but I've got to start with this absolute throwdown brouhaha
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regarding the RNC race for RNC chair. We're going to have, we're going to start with Anthony Sabatini.
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Anthony, what happened today? There was, I guess, a meeting called an emergency meeting of the, what,
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the executive board of the Florida GOP. I think it was down in Sarasota. Tell us what happened.
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Well, Steve, last month we forced the state party into a no confidence vote on Ronna McDaniel.
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And even though a super majority of our party wants her gone, just like most Republicans,
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we still assembled the party here. The party leadership tried to draw down our numbers. They
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actually put the vote on a Friday morning to try to get less people to come. They did it very early in
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the morning. And so we weren't able to reach a quorum, but we did have a large number of party
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members come. We had an informal vote and that informal vote ended up at 69 to two. So Ronna
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McDaniel failed miserably with the people who did show up. And that's very reflective of not only
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our state, but I think the whole country. And so we sent a very loud signal to the nation. More
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importantly, we had about 300 people show up protesting Ronna McDaniel and demanding change
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at the RNC. So we sent a loud signal to the whole country today that Florida has lost confidence in
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Ronna McDaniel and it's time for fresh leadership.
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What, how close, talk to me about the rules changes because they're making a big deal about it
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that she actually won. You're saying from the people that showed up, the vote was 69 to two.
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How, how close were you getting to a quorum? How did they, how did they work the rules? How
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did they work the refs here so that you really couldn't have an official vote?
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Well, they did a couple of things to mess with the quorum. For one, you know, Florida is an odd
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state. We basically have a statute that puts dozens and dozens of people into the party for
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purposes of the quorum who never come to any meetings, much less a special meeting, but almost
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no meetings at all. So that jacked the number up. They, they said that the quorum should have been
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one 29, really 40% of the bodies about 96. We ended up in the mid seventies. So we were 20 votes
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shy of what traditionally would be a quorum. But they, let me tell you, Steve, they pulled every
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shenanigan they could to try to mess with the numbers. They were phone calling folks, telling
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them not to come. You know, it's, it's interesting. There's only a few people in Florida that support
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Ronna McDaniel, but unfortunately one of them is the chairman of the state of Florida, Joe Gruter.
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So one of the things he did was to try to draw down turnout, making it on a weekday, making phone
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calls, uh, and doing different things. Thankfully we, once again, we still had upwards 70 people
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drive across the state. Florida is a big state. Some people drove seven, eight hours to make their
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voices heard and almost nobody voted for Ronna McDaniels. So still a win, but they, they do a lot
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of shenanigans. Not every state by the way is that way. Some of the quorum is only 20%, 30%. And so you
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could easily call a special meeting. It's just a little tougher here in Florida because of our statute.
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What, um, you know, in Florida, it's, if you ask most people in the country, things are going
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swimmingly. Florida, they're attracting people. You're building the Republican party every day.
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You just had a couple of blowout wins. Uh, you added some house seats. What, I mean,
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what's the beef? Why? And Gruters is a guy that's pretty dialed in. What's the beef with the grassroots
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on, on Ronna McDaniel, that if you look to any success story, you could look to Florida.
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You guys don't give her credit or there's got to be something because the grassroots are
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on the other side of this trade. They're adamantly opposed to her. They're, they're adamantly opposed
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to her in a state that seems to be doing okay. Well, listen, a lot of people are coming to Florida
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for the right reasons. A lot of people are very MAGA here. They want new leadership, new change. But
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the problem with our state chairman is the same with a lot of the Republicans that vote for Ronna.
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They have a personal relationship with her and it's hard to get them to break away from these
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personal ties and just be good delegates and reflect the will of the majority of their voters.
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As you know, Trafalgar poll shows Ronna's at 6% approval rating, 20% undecided, 74% want her
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gone. But some of the people in the RNC just feel a friendship to her from years past. And so they can't
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break away. But, uh, like I said, most Floridians want her gone. It's just a couple of key people
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How already, uh, how's the vote going to come out for Florida? You've got three votes. You get
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the GOP chair. Have they moved that? So Gruters gets the vote or is it going to be Ziegler? And I
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think Ziegler's pro, uh, uh, uh, uh, pro change, pro Harmeet or pro Mike Lindell. He's anti, he's anti,
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um, um, um, McDaniels. So how's it, who's actually going to vote in this for, to represent Florida?
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So like every state, we get three delegates. So our three are the state chairman, Joe Gruters,
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who's for Ronna. Uh, our state national committee man, Peter Feeman is for Harmeet Dillon. Uh,
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the swing vote really for us is going to be a woman named Kathleen King. She's our national
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committee woman. She says she's going to vote for Ronna, but she's not very dug in. She's not
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very strongly committed. In fact, she hasn't even publicly announced what her position is. And so
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our pressure really is on her. That's kind of the whole purpose of our whole meeting.
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And it's where our efforts are going to be for the next seven days. Over the next seven days,
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we're going to be getting every grassroots patriot in the state and across the nation to hit her up on her
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email and try to get her, uh, to flip her vote. You know, she's up for election as national
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committee woman in two years. And the next 48 hours, we're going to announce the candidacy of
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one of the female members of the state party as an opponent to her, a primary opponent to her in 24,
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if she votes for Ronna. So that's going to be our focus, putting pressure on her to make sure
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she goes to Harmeet, uh, on, on Friday of next week in California.
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Okay. How can people follow, follow all this? Where do they go to get up to date with what's
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happening in Florida on this topic? So I'm, I'm posting on this topic, probably two,
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three times a day on my Twitter through Facebook pages. That's at Anthony Sabatini. You can find
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me on any social media platform and I'm keeping people up to date. And today I'll post some
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information about how to get in touch with our national committee woman, Kathleen King,
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and try to put some pressure on her. Uh, Anthony Sabatini, thank you very much for
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giving us a live report. Appreciate it. Thanks Steve.
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From Florida. I want to go to Arizona. We have Kelly Ward. Uh, Kelly, uh, there was some
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conversation today on the, on the morning show, uh, with Ronna, she was on specifically about
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Arizona. Uh, I know you saw that. Do you have any observations on that, ma'am?
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Well, it just sounds like a bunch of crap. Uh, she's blaming me. She's blaming our candidates.
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She's blaming everybody except for who she sees in the mirror. And it is a shame that she says,
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Kelly Ward is the reason that the rhinos wouldn't vote for the candidates. That is ridiculous. The
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rhinos are the reason that the rhinos didn't vote for the candidates. Um, we had rhinos running. They
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all lost. Republicans do not want rhinos. Maybe independence want rhinos. Maybe Democrats want
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rhinos. But we who believe in faith, family, and freedom, who believe in small government and low
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taxes and personal responsibility and following the United States constitution and having religious
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freedom. We don't want the rhinos and people associate the rhinos with Ronna. I guess it's
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because it starts with R Ronna, Rhino, Rhino, Ronna. I don't know. Somebody calls her Rona. They said,
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Rona's not for Zona. Rona was not for Zona. She did not help Arizona. Between the 2018 election and
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the 2022 election, we had 40% less investment in our state when we still had these big races going on
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for the United States Senate, as well as for governor and all the way down the executive ballot.
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She worked with the Republican Governors Association to have them redirect their funds to the Yuma County
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Republican Party. Doesn't that sound impressive? Yuma County got over $8 million because the
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consultants that used to be a part of the Republican Party of Arizona can't eat at our trough any longer
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because I require a request for proposal and what we're going to get, what return on investment we're
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going to get. In Yuma, those guys are able to put a lot of that money in their pocket. About $4 million of the
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almost $8 million went into the pockets of consultants. And if you looked at what the
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Republican Governors Association produced for Carrie Lake, our candidate and the person that
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I believe won the governor's race here in November, it was also crap. We are all tired of the crap.
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We want something different. We want changes that start at the RNC. We want the RNC to listen to the
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grassroots. Stop plugging their ears. Stop being good old boys. Stop having backroom deals that give
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somebody some kind of political gain, personal or political. And let's set this party straight so
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Go to the ropes and lost the, uh, lost the, uh, primary loss and pretty decisively after she put
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pressure on, uh, Carrie Lake to concede early in the evening when she was up 10 points or Carrie Lake
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was down. Carrie Lake says, no, I think I'll stick. I'll stick. I think I'll stick with the grassroots.
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I think we got this. I think she won by four or five at the end. Um, what about, why did Robes,
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why did Robes not come in and endorse that? They talk about unity. They talk about wanting to work
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together. That was, that was one of the keys of the Republican establishment going out of their way
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not to back Carrie Lake because of her border policies, because of her, uh, election integrity
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to see policies about her wanting to empower, uh, the grassroots and particularly the rural areas
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of Arizona, ma'am. Right. Uh, why she didn't, I don't know. You'd have to ask Karen. Um, but I will
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tell you that she went into hiding after the primary election, Karen, uh, Taylor Robeson.
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She then came out of hiding to endorse, uh, uh, uh, for a ballot procedure that allowed for tuition
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in state tuition for illegal aliens, something that is opposed in drastic measure to the Republican
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party platform. We do not believe in rewarding people who have come to our country illegally,
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whether it's the parents of people who brought people, you know, their kids here for no, no fault
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of their own, but still they are benefiting by breaking our laws. And that was the thing that
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Karen came out to support was break Arizona's laws, give good taxpayer money to illegal aliens,
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make it harder for hardworking Arizonans and Americans to be able to get the college degree that
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they want. Um, take more money out of our pocket. Did you want to see Doug Ducey indoors Carrie Lake?
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Did you see him appear at any of her events? No, you saw him fighting for the rhino side,
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working, shaking hands with, uh, you know, Joe Biden and, and Cindy McCain and Jeff Blake and, uh,
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Stephen Richer and Bill Gates from Arizona, the little short guy, um, with, with, uh, small man
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complex. Uh, these guys that want to say that it's my fault or it's your fault, Steve, or it's the fault
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of the grassroots that people didn't win elections need to look in the mirror, get on board with what
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we are trying to accomplish as America first Patriots to save not only Arizona, but this entire
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great country that is under attack from Democrat policies that want to make us not only socialist,
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but communist. And, um, our, our Republicans are not fighting back. They are not standing up
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and the grassroots are holding them accountable finally. And so I hate to see everything have to
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be broken apart to be able to build it back up. But I can tell you, we need new leadership at the
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Republican national committee. It starts with Rana and it goes all the way down that ballot.
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Chairman, co-chair, secretary, treasurer. We need new people.
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Uh, Kelly, how do people will follow you, ma'am?
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They can find me on all social media platforms at Kelly Ward, a Z Kelly with an I, because I care
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about the people and I'm running for RNC secretary. So there is a chance that we might be able to have
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a grassroots voice on that executive committee. And imagine if it was Harmeet or Mike and then a great
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co-chair, uh, a great treasurer, uh, Casey Crosby from Kentucky and me as the secretary. Wow.
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Would that give the grassroots hope? Would that make a difference in Republican turnout? I think
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the answer is yes. Kelly Ward, thank you. And thank you for being a fighter and changing
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your schedule up today to come on. Appreciate it. I love it. Thanks, Steve. Bye-bye.
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Okay. We're scared. We're going to try and get Kurt Schlechter and Caroline Rand, but I want to go,
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I want to take a, in the middle here, talk about Davos and big developments today. Can we go ahead and
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play the open for Joe Allen? So one issue I'm particularly concerned about is, um, that AI may
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be as good as humans at a certain point and certain tasks, but you need humans with lots of experience.
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I would not advise just blindly turning it on and walking away. Um, these systems have too many
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flaws. They don't understand truth very well. Um, they can, uh, hallucinate, uh, facts that aren't
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really there. Are they going to improve over time? They are going to improve dramatically over time.
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Certainly right now it would be just downright dangerous to use them without having a human in
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the loop. But I think even going forward, we're going to develop a new job. You touched on this,
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the job of prompt engineering. How many have heard of the word prompt engineering? A few,
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a few people. You're all going to be hearing about it soon. Prompt engineering is the idea that when you
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work with, uh, one of these large language models, you can write different kinds of queries. And it turns
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out that depending on how you write the query, you get dramatically different results. Even the
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inventors of these technologies are surprised at some of the things you can get them to do if you
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ask the questions the right way. Eric, you made a point about radiologists and it's classic example.
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Um, I don't want a computer telling me that my, that my scan was difficult, but I also don't know
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that I need a doctor to do it. And we were talking about this beforehand, like doctors are AI is really
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bad at, um, telling you you have cancer. Many doctors are pretty bad. Oh, I've had that experience.
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So we were talking and I wonder if there isn't a job title, a new job called empathist. And I'm
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going to trademark that. And in fairness, chat GPT apologized to me the other day, you know? And
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so, I mean, it's, it's already better than the doctor. Yes. I'm not saying that it's developing
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empathy. What do you get worried about? Um, one of the things I think, I think we've all begun to
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be worried about is the ability of these, uh, tools to generate information and disinformation at scale.
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Yeah. As an economist, if you set the price of generating disinformation to zero,
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the quantity tends to go to a very large number. So we're all going to be flooded shortly with
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enormous amounts of incoming, uh, tweets, posts, text messages, uh, press releases, et cetera,
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that are bot generated. And it's going to be a flood of sometimes very interesting information,
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sometimes completely made up false information. And we have to find a way to navigate that.
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We're already seeing some of that happening. And, and I'm-
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And is it fair to say that the Chinese have, I mean, our experience, the Chinese have leadership
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in this area. Is that, is that your, do you agree with that?
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Well, Chinese have some, they're very strong AI and lots of, uh, lots of these things. Many of the
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fundamental breakthroughs were actually made in the United States and then perfected
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Okay. I want to bring in, I'm the prompt engineer. I want to bring in, uh, Joe Allen. Joe, uh, this
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morning, pretty controversial. In fact, I want to play that clip a little bit. Tell me what we just
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saw there again at, at Davos. This, I hope the audience is fully gripped in the fact that AI is
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coming, not just into your world, which it already is, but generative AI is coming in to your job
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Yeah, that was one of the maybe duller panels, but what they're talking about is really, really
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important. They're talking about in white collar jobs, the role of AI, and maybe more important,
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the role of human beings in those jobs. So that, uh, man, we just heard from a Stanford professor,
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Eric Brynjolfsson, he was describing this prompt engineering job, which is basically the human
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who will interface with the machine, right? So with a large language model, it in the same way that
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Google generates answers or generates, uh, you know, in the case of, say, chat GPT, it's generating a
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piece of writing, or in the case of Dolly too, it's generating an image. The prompt engineer
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basically is the person who is manipulating the computer to do what an, uh, what otherwise would
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be a human job. And I think that when they're talking about, you know, creating empathists and
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things like that, it's with this sort of foreknowledge, or at least in their projections, this idea in the
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near future, many of the important human jobs where it's critical to have an expert, it's critical to
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have somebody who has many years or decades of experience. Uh, they anticipate these jobs to be
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winnowed away. And so what you're left with is the person who can basically punch in queries to the
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machine and the empathist who can hold someone's hand while the machine, you know, works on their
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body. I, I, you know, I am very, very skeptical as to how far these technologies can go to actually
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replace machines. But what is really, really important as you hear these people in Davos
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talking about it, as you hear Silicon Valley talking about it, as you hear people all over
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the world in positions of power talking about it, they plan to implement these technologies.
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They're talking about the risks and the mitigation, but ultimately their plan is to go forward
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anyway, and they'll figure out the problems later. That's what's most concerning to me is they are
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constructing a system which nor bin Laden, I think really put it. Well, their utopia is our dystopia.
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They're constructing a system of control in which human beings are more and more irrelevant. And even
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if they acknowledge that they plan to do it anyway.
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Here's the thing. This is not, you're not looking at advanced R and D in a weapons lab,
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or these are things that are about to go into production stage. This morning on the show,
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talk about a minute about they're discussing the, the human with the chip robot AI interface as the,
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as the production floor in the future, the manufacturing floor, plus the office, whether that's a,
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uh, whether that's a law firm, uh, whether it's a medical, uh, you know, a medical office, uh,
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whether it's a news desk, uh, they're, they're already planning on this and the venture capital,
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private equity and hedge funds are lined up to invest in it. Joe Allen.
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Yeah. And again, you know, that investment element is also really important.
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The people that are speaking at Davos are basically putting out a sales pitch and they're
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putting it out to the wealthiest people on earth. Some people are going to take it. Some people aren't,
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but in the case of AI, especially in the case of generative AI, there is going to be massive
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investment in this, meaning that it's going to roll out and be deployed anyway. Uh, it's not in
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many ways, it will be very, very useful. I think that that's maybe one of the biggest problems is that
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if you have, instead of having a team of designers or instead of having a team of copywriters,
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you just have a prompt engineer who's best able to manipulate the machine to generate content,
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then you a have saved money and B your output is going to far exceed other human based teams
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in the sorts of quick, like fast paced corporate markets that they're talking about using these in
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on top of that, uh, you know, just to veer away from the kind of corporate sector at the end there,
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they're talking about how these bots are going to generate this information at scale. We already
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have tons and tons of bots that have flooded social media. They call you all the time trying
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to get you to give them their credit card, whatever it is. The difference between the bots that we have
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now versus those that will be based on these more advanced large language models is that the large
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language models will be able to hold conversations in ways that are much more convincing. You might be
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able to trip them up. You might not. But as you heard, uh, Mr. Brynjolfsson say they are going to get
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better and better and better. And so what it means is you end up in this kind of Philip K. Dick
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illusory world where you're never really sure what you're looking at is real. People already, when,
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when they see content online, they ask, is that a deep fake? Or they, they, they run into a
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particularly obstinate human being online. You're like, is this a bot? Am I speaking to a bot?
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You really can't tell in many of these situations. And I think that's another major, major danger that
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we have is that people are going to become much more detached from reality, the more absorbed they are
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in digital media and every force in our culture from education to the corporate sector, to the, the, the,
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government and military, all of them are pushing us further and further into this sort of digital
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existence. And so I, I, I, Steve, as much as I love to be an optimist, I do think that the coming wave is
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going to generate more and more neuroses, more and more social pathologies. And on just a strictly economic
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level, it's going to displace human value more and more. And they're going to find every possible
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justification to go forward with it. We do know today that Alphabet or the parent company of Google
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announced 12,000 homo sapiens were laid off. At the same time, we also know the two founders of Google
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have been called back because of advances in AI that have gotten beyond Google. At, at Davis,
00:23:46.480
we're going to have two minutes on this, Joe, I'm going to pitch to you right now, is that whether
00:23:50.800
it was climate change, mental health, whatever aspect, chat, GPT, our generative artificial
00:23:56.480
intelligence was the thing, was the thing that drove Davos this time. Your thoughts?
00:24:03.360
Absolutely. And, you know, it may not seem directly connected, but the connection of the, the,
00:24:10.480
this sort of faith in artificial intelligence to organize society, and this conviction that the
00:24:16.560
climate is changing rapidly, it's a human danger, and we have to do something now. Those two ideas
00:24:23.600
are tightly coupled in practice. One of the many, there's a whole array of solutions that are AI-based,
00:24:31.440
data-based solutions, meaning that you use advanced AI systems to scrape the data of the entire population
00:24:40.080
to see who's producing the most carbon, and then you use AI systems to generate the most efficient ways
00:24:47.920
of getting rid of that excess carbon. So basically what we're seeing, to put it in very brief terms,
00:24:54.960
climate change is being used as a justification to further increase the rollout of digitization,
00:25:02.880
to roll out a fully digital society where everything is tracked, every move is, is tallied, and you are
00:25:11.200
under the control of that digital system. That is the dream of theirs that is our dystopia.
00:25:20.480
Joe, how do people get to all the social media and where you put the, where you put all your content
00:25:25.200
up for War Room? You can find me at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z on Gitter and Twitter,
00:25:31.840
JoeBot.X-Y-Z, or WarRoom.org under the Transhumanism tab.
00:25:40.800
Norbin Lund, the entire team, we had Savannah, Hernandez, all of them from all the different
00:25:46.320
news organizations in Davos. It was just incredible, incredible coverage. Thank you very much, sir.
00:25:54.080
Okay. First hour, we were all over this RNC fight. We started the show here with Sabatini
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in Florida and Kelly Ward in Arizona. We're going to take a short commercial break. We're
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going to bring in Kurt Schlichter, one of the top columnist, observers, and actual participants,
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one of the combatants in this RNC fight, and also the one and only Caroline Wren. We're
00:26:14.400
going to take a short commercial break. Kurt Schlichter and Caroline Wren on this quite nasty,
00:26:19.440
personal fight for the chair of the RNC. Be back in a moment.
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Okay, welcome back. We have Kurt Schlichter, one of the top columnists around, novelist,
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army officer. Kurt, you've been deeply involved in this from the beginning. Got to ask you, we had
00:31:06.500
Anthony Sabatini on to start the six o'clock show from Florida. They called this emergency meeting
00:31:14.180
of the executive committee of Florida. The establishment played around with, you know,
00:31:19.520
how to get a quorum. They failed to get a quorum, barely. But in the vote, it was 69 to two
00:31:26.000
against Ronald McDaniel. I want to pull the camera back for a second because we seem to have something,
00:31:31.340
we seem to have something. We just want to draw on. We seem to have something that the grassroots is
00:31:38.580
on fire about, right? That it's got to be change. And we had Kelly Ward on, you know, right afterwards
00:31:43.940
about Arizona, what happened with the Kelly, the Kerry Lake situation. You have major donors
00:31:49.480
like Dick Uline and Bernie Marcus, who are her two men of not just enormous wealth, but discernment,
00:31:56.920
judgment, wisdom, love, love the Republican party. And they've come out and say, hey, there's got to
00:32:01.680
be change. But it still looks like there's a fight at this and a big fight at these people that
00:32:08.260
represent it in the RNC itself. Walk the audience through in your judgment. What is at stake here?
00:32:15.660
And what are we seeing as we are now a week away from the vote?
00:32:20.760
Well, Steve, I think what we're seeing is a real test by the base, the people who get out there,
00:32:26.700
they knock on doors, they dial numbers, they write the small donor checks. Look,
00:32:31.160
the world you and I live in, the world these people live in, doesn't allow people with a track record
00:32:37.600
of failure to continue. Take you, for example, when you were in the finance markets, you wouldn't let
00:32:43.140
someone who failed five times in a row handle an account, they'd be making coffee. When you were a
00:32:48.760
surface warfare officer, you wouldn't let the guy who ran his ship aground five times steer the ship,
00:32:55.080
he'd be handing out volleyballs. We're not asking for any special treatment. We're not asking for any
00:33:02.840
standard that we don't meet ourselves. Get it done. It's not personal. I don't know, Rona.
00:33:09.620
Maybe she's a nice person. Maybe she's a bad person. I don't care. Her job is to win. She hasn't won.
00:33:17.160
She's had three chances. There's no indication that given a fourth term,
00:33:21.180
she's suddenly going to do a 180 and start putting the fear of God into the Democrats.
00:33:26.760
Now, here's a real test. The regime media is out there talking about how Rona's got this,
00:33:32.320
which she most certainly does not. But why would the regime media be nice to a Republican? Do you
00:33:41.540
think it's because she's a ruthless killer who leaves quivering pinkos in her weight? No,
00:33:47.520
it's because she loses and loses and loses. And they want us to keep on losing. The base is
00:33:54.640
demanding change, Steve. The base wants change, and it needs to get change.
00:34:02.160
I want to talk about that. She pitched unity today, but we've had unity in the Republican Party
00:34:07.120
in the past. It's controlled opposition. The reason we're here on the invasion of the southern border,
00:34:11.660
on the breakdown of cultural and societal norms, going after the family, what's happening in the
00:34:19.600
schools, the $30 trillion in debt, the out-of-control spending, as you know, the weaponization of the
00:34:25.440
FBI and DOJ against people. These things just didn't happen overnight. And they happened with a lot of
00:34:31.620
establishment Republicans. What is your message then when she says, hey, I'm just trying to unite
00:34:35.840
people? And there's Schlichters of the world and the Caroline Rens and the Bannons. These are all these
00:34:40.240
disruptors that are so MAGA and so Trump and so America first that they only have a slice of the
00:34:47.420
electorate, sir. Well, first of all, let's get the MAGA stuff out of the way. It's Donald Trump's
00:34:54.440
people who are out there, I've been told, lobbying corona, making calls and intervening. So I don't need
00:35:03.860
that. I don't work for anybody except America and American conservatism. I'm out there because
00:35:11.120
Rona keeps losing. I'm all for unity in the Republican Party, Steve. I want unity. We need
00:35:17.680
to unify around someone that the base wants. And that's Harmeet Dillon. And it's clearly Harmeet Dillon.
00:35:25.100
It's not even close. You go out there, you run a poll like Trafalgar did. 86% wanted Rona gone.
00:35:32.820
I've run polls on Twitter with between 3,500 and 6,000 voters. We're talking 2% support for Rona.
00:35:40.100
Let's get unity. Rona, do the right thing. Withdraw. You get a handshake. You get a nice gold watch.
00:35:47.200
You'll get our thanks. Again, nothing personal. You're just not good enough. So you need to go.
00:35:53.860
And let's unify around Harmeet Dillon, someone with a proven track record of failure, success as
00:36:01.160
opposed to failure, who understands what we need to do to change this, how we need to improve our
00:36:06.760
messaging, improve our organization, demonstrate transparency and financials, and be ready to
00:36:13.700
participate in lawfare. I remember rolling into Las Vegas a day after the election in 2020.
00:36:20.720
And I got there, and there was one lawyer on the ground. One in one of the top six cities.
00:36:29.140
Inexcusable. Inexcusable. We need accountability. We have failed five election cycles in a row,
00:36:37.240
including runoffs. No more. Someone has to go. That's Rona. She's in command. It's on.
00:36:43.920
I want to go back to that, because when you told that story the first time, the audience really
00:36:49.680
responded. When you showed up, and this is in 2020, there was only one other lawyer there,
00:36:55.140
and you were there for a week or so trying to sort that thing out and allow the true winner,
00:37:00.280
Donald Trump, to come forward. Had anything been done? How do we end up in that jam? Had anything been
00:37:07.660
done to make sure on election integrity, on mail-in ballots or anything up until that time? And since
00:37:14.520
we had fantastic Laxalt, Seagal lost as attorney general, we had Adam Laxalt lose. Had anything
00:37:24.760
been done successfully? Had the RNC been involved either in getting us prepared so it wouldn't happen
00:37:31.280
in 2020, fighting to the tooth and nail after 2020, or doing anything to prep for 2022, where we just
00:37:38.120
lost two very winnable seats. I mean, the Laxalt should be in the Senate, and Seagal Chata should
00:37:45.340
be the attorney general, sir. Absolutely. They are both great candidates. Look, the fight is won or
00:37:55.760
the legal fight is won or lost months before the first ballot is cast. You have to be on the ground
00:38:02.360
preparing the battle space legally. You have to think through your strategy, and you have to be
00:38:06.640
ready. Democrats have Perkins Coie, and they got Mark Elias' group, and they have an actual unit there
00:38:13.260
where you have everything, logistics, all that. We show up, and there's one guy, and he's a great
00:38:20.480
lawyer, and he did a great job, but he's one guy, okay? No logistics, no law firm. Where are the
00:38:30.640
paralegals? Who's got my copy paper? Instead, I'm running around doing that stuff, okay? Carolyn Wren,
00:38:37.460
who you'll be talking to in a minute, is trying to organize. We're trying to organize and execute at
00:38:42.940
once, which you know as a military guy, just a recipe for failure, okay? And we still had problems
00:38:49.100
in 2022. I didn't participate as a lawyer this time, but I didn't see any great game plan. I don't
00:38:57.080
know. What's the plan for 2024? What's the plan? Let me see the off order. I want to know how Rona
00:39:03.660
plans to execute, but she doesn't because she's too busy trying to preserve her job when she should
00:39:09.240
be saying, hey, I tried her meat. You got my total support. Let's move forward together, and she can go
00:39:15.500
keep contributing in a more appropriate fashion.
00:39:21.660
Kurt, how do people get to your books, your writings, and your social media, sir?
00:39:27.980
Well, look, you can find me writing as a senior columnist at Town Hall every Monday, Wednesday,
00:39:33.320
and Thursday. You can follow me on Twitter, at Kurt Schlicker, which I suggest you do, because
00:39:38.560
I'm frankly amazing. Again, no trial lawyer should ever be modest. If you find one who is,
00:39:43.740
don't believe him. You can get my books, including the new novel, Inferno. Just go on Amazon.
00:39:48.920
Great conservative stuff. Our mutual friend, Andrew Breitbart, inspired it. He said, we got to make
00:39:53.640
our culture. I said, gosh, maybe I'll write something I want to read, and I did. The Kelly
00:39:58.760
Turnbull People's Republic series, Inferno's number seven. I'm writing number eight.
00:40:05.800
Thank you very much. I'm honored to have you on here, sir. Thank you.
00:40:12.280
Kurt Schlicker. Let's go to Caroline Wren. So, Caroline, here's the question. Kurt brought
00:40:16.480
it up, and the regime media, MSNBC and CNN's telling us every day this thing's over. Rana's
00:40:22.360
got a couple of hundred, you know, she's got 120 votes. Harmeet's a nice person, but somebody
00:40:29.200
played the religious card on her. Mike Lindell's nice, but he's not really a member of the RNC.
00:40:33.520
So, this is all a total waste of time. What's your response, ma'am?
00:40:38.760
Well, I mean, it's just not true, but, you know, the legacy media always lies to us, so
00:40:42.820
that's not really surprising. But, you know, I was watching her today. Like, do you remember
00:40:46.660
that scene in 127 Hours when James Franco amputates his own arm? That was easier to watch than
00:40:53.820
Rana McDaniel answer your questions today on War Room. It was just, I mean, you were asking
00:40:59.380
here, like, some of them were pretty easy. Like, they were softballs, and you could not get
00:41:02.840
a straight answer from her. And this is the problem that we're all having with it right
00:41:06.080
now. Like, they've got her in lockdown mode. I do appreciate she at least attempted to come
00:41:09.840
on and do an interview and answer some questions. But they're just hiding behind the consultants
00:41:14.380
people involved who are just telling reporters, oh, we have 107 votes, this thing's over, everybody
00:41:18.180
go away. Like, how dare you even question this? And the reality is, like, of course people
00:41:23.340
are going to question it. There's been five failed election cycles in a row. And the idea
00:41:28.280
that anyone would just coronate Rana McDaniel back into office is absurd. We should be having
00:41:32.960
these leadership debates in our party. It's healthy for our party. It's absolutely necessary.
00:41:36.680
And on top of all that, Harmeet is going to win. And so I don't, you know, I don't really
00:41:41.180
know where they get off saying this type of stuff. But that was a, like I said, that was
00:41:44.800
a very painful interview to have to watch as an audience member.
00:41:50.240
Let me, you know, it's obvious, and let's talk about Florida for a second, because I think
00:41:55.600
Florida's an example. Let me go in a different direction first. It's obvious from us at the
00:42:03.480
war room, as we watch, you know, the grassroots, we pride ourselves in being the platform for
00:42:09.320
the grassroots and the Trump movement and nationalism. There's overwhelming. I mean, every time we
00:42:13.360
put up a poll on Kurt's right, you know, we put up a poll, if we do it on Getter, if we
00:42:17.280
put up polls other where we've seen Trafalgar, I mean, it's overwhelming. And usually the split
00:42:22.120
is, you know, often as we put it up, it's 65% Mike, 35% Harmeet, 1% Rana. Other polls,
00:42:32.120
it's 70% Harmeet, you know, 29% Mike and 1% Rana. But the, it's always Rana at like 1%.
00:42:41.120
I see in donors who are real donors, because a lot of people pop up in the, as you know,
00:42:47.040
in these news stories all the time, they say they're donors, you never see where these guys
00:42:50.180
write a check, right? But you have two heavyweights like Dick Uline and, and, and Bernie
00:42:56.140
Marcus. And these are not people that come in and intrude in RNC chairman fights. I mean,
00:43:01.160
they're, they're at 10 levels above that for them to write letters. And I tell people for
00:43:06.440
a guy like Dick Uline and a, and a, and a, and a, and a, and a gentleman like, like Bernie
00:43:11.540
Marcus to write a letter and say specifically, Hey, you know, you've done a good job, but it's
00:43:16.660
time to move on. And we support Harmeet Dillon and we need to do it now. We can't, we're at a
00:43:20.620
crossroads and inflection point. That's like a papal bull. So you have the biggest, most important
00:43:26.240
donors who, who are never asking anything from themselves, but always trying to push forward
00:43:30.640
the country and the movement. And you have this just massive overwhelming, you know, outpouring
00:43:36.760
of the grassroots. I think Kurt did a good job of summarizing it. Why does it appear you may be
00:43:43.540
having problems with the 168 so hermetically sealed that, uh, that they're, they're impervious
00:43:55.140
Well, I think that what had happened is Ronna told people two years ago that she was not
00:43:58.540
going to run for reelection again. So the, once again, they, they weren't expecting her
00:44:01.760
to, people thought that she was, she seemed ready to move on anyway as well. And then it
00:44:06.300
was kind of shocking then when November, when she announced she was running for reelection
00:44:09.220
and nobody, I guess in the two weeks stepped up and said, I'm running against you. And
00:44:13.740
so during that time, they announced 107, 168 members that endorsed her. A lot of them
00:44:18.580
we've talked to didn't even know they were on the letter said, Oh, okay. I mean, I did
00:44:21.680
say that because, you know, there was nobody else running. And so since then we, you know,
00:44:26.520
everyone's been chipping away from that number and you have to basically work backwards.
00:44:29.320
And so I, you know, I can't explain to you like why people want to stick with the status
00:44:33.600
quo here. Every, every one of these 168 members are individual people and have their
00:44:37.340
own reasoning, but I will tell you, there was a ton of them that are saying to us, look,
00:44:41.540
exactly what I said. I put my name down on her letter for like, frankly, I didn't think
00:44:44.500
anyone, I didn't even think she was going to run. I didn't think someone was going to
00:44:47.140
challenge her, but now I've, I've heard from you. And I think that you have some really
00:44:50.040
interesting ideas and I look forward to talking more in data point point. And, and I'm going
00:44:53.560
to make my decision there on the floor as to who I'm going to vote for. That's why I'm
00:44:56.640
saying this thing is extremely competitive. It should, frankly, it shouldn't be competitive.
00:45:00.680
Like it's, it's, it's quite overwhelming outside of the 168 that everyone wants change, but within
00:45:05.960
it, I think that it's just some people who are kind of, you know, just there's, they're
00:45:09.620
either scared because they gave their word to her or they just have, they're not used
00:45:12.600
to bucking systems or they've, when we, when we do say things like, oh, she's traded things.
00:45:16.980
I think, I think Rana brought this up today. How, how dare her meet or her deputies go out
00:45:21.500
there and say that we're, that I'm giving out, you know, different things. We're not saying
00:45:25.660
that Rana is going and handing them some sack of cash and bribing them, but what is happening
00:45:29.500
is people say, oh, well, Rana made me chair of the convention last time, or Rana put me on
00:45:33.040
rules committee or budget committee. That's fine. That is what the chair has the ability
00:45:36.500
to do that. Right? Like, so it's not, but that is why a lot of them are saying like,
00:45:41.000
I don't know if she was good to me because I got this position from her and like her meet
00:45:44.160
or Mike are not able to do that. Like we're not in the position. So we are just relying
00:45:48.600
on the grassroots to prop us up and are demanding up in these States to say, we want a change
00:45:53.780
in leadership. That's great that you got some position from Rana, but that things are not
00:45:58.940
going well. The, you know, the house is, is, is burning down around us and like, we've
00:46:07.420
I asked her about a Pyrrhic victory that if, that if she was able to pull this out next,
00:46:11.980
we will talk about the battle plan in a moment, but she was able to pull it out. You've got
00:46:16.080
all of Fox primetime. You have Charlie Crane. In fact, I've never seen unity in the people
00:46:21.080
I know, uh, except for this topic. I mean, you have the, you have primetime of Fox news.
00:46:26.880
You have Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Charlie Kirk. Um, you have the entire war room posse.
00:46:33.280
You've got, then you've got major donors. If she was to win, it's not like it's going
00:46:38.020
to go away. Correct. This is, people are kind of determined that there must be change.
00:46:44.720
Cause I play anywhere. A few people reached out to me, other consultants, people in the
00:46:49.140
camp saying, Carolyn, you need to back down a little bit. You know, Rana is going to win
00:46:52.380
this thing and she's got to be able, you know, so we just, you need to stand down or else
00:46:56.260
it's going to start to cause problems for you or her. Everyone has different excuses.
00:47:00.120
And my point is I'm not backing down. This isn't some personal vendetta that I have against
00:47:04.520
Rana McDaniel. I'm trying to protect everyone in the party. The base is not going to accept
00:47:08.680
her. I mean, she talked today about how she's going to go around and open community centers
00:47:11.940
or, or go on some sort of grassroots tour. Like, I mean, 71 people showed up in Sarasota,
00:47:17.200
Florida on the middle of, on a work day, randomly just to protest vote from the executive
00:47:20.480
committee, Rana McDaniel. Like they're, they're not just all of a sudden in four months
00:47:24.440
going to be like, okay, great. Let's open an Asian American community center together,
00:47:27.460
Rana. Let's forgive and forget. The base has been upset with Rana since 2020, since they
00:47:32.800
felt that, you know, she said this on your show today, that the RNC could not do election
00:47:37.660
integrity in 2020 because of a, you know, some consent decree. Well then I think a lot of the
00:47:42.660
base and donors want to know why they received a hundred text messages and emails a day saying
00:47:47.200
triple X match, stand with Trump, defend election integrity. If they weren't even, I guess,
00:47:51.960
able to do election integrity, like where did that money go? And that was the tipping point
00:47:56.560
for Rana. They were willing, they did not hang 2018 on her. And after 2020 though, people did.
00:48:02.420
And it wasn't even all just about her. People are frustrated and angry. And then nothing was fixed,
00:48:08.300
even though we were all screaming it at her, like at everyone saying, guys, especially, I mean,
00:48:12.380
look at Arizona. If you do not fix the problems in our elections, then we will never be able to win
00:48:17.480
again. And then we get to 2022 and you have Rana out there saying, oh, we won the popular vote.
00:48:21.720
Like what, what popular vote? What does that even mean? Like we don't have a majority in the Senate
00:48:26.080
and we, we don't, we lost so many of these governors races that we should have won.
00:48:30.220
And we have a razor thin majority in the house and people are just done with the spin. They're done
00:48:35.660
with it. What's the battle plan? Uh, one week from today, you'll either have a new RNC chair,
00:48:43.440
they'll be in multiple ballots right now. Walk us through what we can anticipate and how this
00:48:47.860
audience can find out more. Well, it is. I mean, we are in a battle for our country anyway. I mean,
00:48:54.580
our liberty and sovereignty and our most fundamental rights are, they're being just like systematically
00:48:59.860
dismantled by an unholy alliance of these corrupt DC politicians, the biased media, and then a
00:49:06.020
compromised justice system that is punishing anyone in the conservative movement. And we have to
00:49:10.780
we are at war with the left and this, and this, this system. And the bottom line is that Ronna
00:49:16.500
McDaniel is not a general. That is very apparent to anyone who will watch. Harmeet and Mike Lindell
00:49:21.580
are both generals in this war. They could lead us to victory. And so we are going to go into next week
00:49:26.580
like it's a battle, like the way that we should be treating the left right now and our elections.
00:49:32.060
We need to stop just saying, we'll get it the next time. Oh, don't worry about it. No,
00:49:35.060
no, no. We will leave every single thing on the field and convince people that that that. I mean,
00:49:39.900
for me, Harmeet Dillon is the right person to lead this party. Here are the reasons why. Let's start
00:49:44.400
with some basic things such as she's a brilliant attorney that won three cases in front of the
00:49:48.700
Supreme Court last year alone. This is a woman who wins. She does not do anything unless she's going
00:49:53.560
to win. And so I would say that she would not be leaving her law practice and putting her life on
00:49:59.400
the line and going to Dana Point and to tell everyone to vote for me unless she knew she was going to win.
00:50:04.200
So we feel extremely confident and we get there on Tuesday. We're meeting with everyone Wednesday
00:50:08.880
and Thursday and the vote is Friday morning. That is a lot of time to sit across from people
00:50:13.100
and have Rana be doing the same. And Rana doesn't have anything to campaign on. So what is it that
00:50:18.940
she's going to tell these members were her success points outside of I opened a few community centers.
00:50:24.260
Harmeet Dillon is able to say, here are the accomplishments that I've had in my life. Here are
00:50:27.460
the ideas I have. Everyone should actually go today to read on Harmeet's Twitter account. You can go to
00:50:32.360
mine. She wrote the most beautiful op-ed on how we need to deal with election integrity. And it's
00:50:38.760
pretty long, saved some time, but it is a very detailed plan of here is the problems and here's
00:50:43.160
what I'm going to do. With people, we want plans. We want actual plans of action. Harmeet is willing
00:50:48.160
to deliver those plans. And a lot of those she's going to be unveiling next week in Dana Point at
00:50:52.720
this meeting. And she's going to, real quickly, she's going to be at this debate that John Fredericks
00:50:57.880
and Real America Voice is going to put on. Mike Lindell will be there. Is Harmeet going
00:51:04.180
I don't know. I talked to John today and I'll be upfront with you. Rana McDaniel needs to show
00:51:10.120
up to this debate. There should be a public debate with people in person. Now, if I do
00:51:14.320
worry, if we take Harmeet and Mike Lindell away for an hour and a half in the middle of
00:51:20.140
this meeting to go and do a debate without Rana, what will Rana and her team do? How do we
00:51:25.680
know they won't call a snap election or something? I mean, that is a lot of time. It's 90 minutes
00:51:29.740
away. Rana needs to show up to this thing. It should be all three of them. And John and
00:51:34.060
everyone needs to continue to push and say, no, we will make ourselves available, Rana.
00:51:38.040
We will do whatever she said today. It's a time constraint. Well, you know what? Let's
00:51:42.200
do it Monday. Let's do it Tuesday. Let's do it at 10 p.m., 9 a.m. You need the time and
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