Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 217： WEF Selling Digital Dehumanization

00:00:00.560 This is what you're fighting for. I mean, every day you're out there.

00:00:04.720 What they're doing is blowing people off.

00:00:08.480 If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors,

00:00:12.400 the authoritarians get total control and total power.

00:00:16.320 Because this is just like in Arizona. This is just like in Georgia. 0.64

00:00:19.120 It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.

00:00:24.080 This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. As we've told you, this is the fight.

00:00:27.840 All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.

00:00:32.240 War Room Battleground. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:38.480 Okay, welcome. You're in the War Room. It is Friday, January, year of war, 2023.

00:00:44.880 Two years ago today was the installation of the regime, right, as we talked about on the five o'clock hour.

00:00:52.560 A lot going on. Joe Allen's got a special report for us on Davos.

00:00:56.800 We're going to get to that in a moment, but I've got to start with this absolute throwdown brouhaha

00:01:02.400 regarding the RNC race for RNC chair. We're going to have, we're going to start with Anthony Sabatini.

00:01:10.400 Anthony, what happened today? There was, I guess, a meeting called an emergency meeting of the, what,

00:01:16.320 the executive board of the Florida GOP. I think it was down in Sarasota. Tell us what happened.

00:01:21.200 Well, Steve, last month we forced the state party into a no confidence vote on Ronna McDaniel.

00:01:28.720 And even though a super majority of our party wants her gone, just like most Republicans, 0.92

00:01:34.000 we still assembled the party here. The party leadership tried to draw down our numbers. They

00:01:38.640 actually put the vote on a Friday morning to try to get less people to come. They did it very early in

00:01:44.160 the morning. And so we weren't able to reach a quorum, but we did have a large number of party

00:01:50.560 members come. We had an informal vote and that informal vote ended up at 69 to two. So Ronna

00:01:57.200 McDaniel failed miserably with the people who did show up. And that's very reflective of not only

00:02:02.720 our state, but I think the whole country. And so we sent a very loud signal to the nation. More

00:02:07.280 importantly, we had about 300 people show up protesting Ronna McDaniel and demanding change

00:02:13.520 at the RNC. So we sent a loud signal to the whole country today that Florida has lost confidence in

00:02:19.200 Ronna McDaniel and it's time for fresh leadership.

00:02:23.680 What, how close, talk to me about the rules changes because they're making a big deal about it

00:02:28.240 that she actually won. You're saying from the people that showed up, the vote was 69 to two.

00:02:33.360 How, how close were you getting to a quorum? How did they, how did they work the rules? How

00:02:38.080 did they work the refs here so that you really couldn't have an official vote? 1.00

00:02:42.800 Well, they did a couple of things to mess with the quorum. For one, you know, Florida is an odd

00:02:46.720 state. We basically have a statute that puts dozens and dozens of people into the party for

00:02:52.160 purposes of the quorum who never come to any meetings, much less a special meeting, but almost

00:02:56.400 no meetings at all. So that jacked the number up. They, they said that the quorum should have been

00:03:00.960 one 29, really 40% of the bodies about 96. We ended up in the mid seventies. So we were 20 votes

00:03:07.120 shy of what traditionally would be a quorum. But they, let me tell you, Steve, they pulled every

00:03:12.080 shenanigan they could to try to mess with the numbers. They were phone calling folks, telling

00:03:16.080 them not to come. You know, it's, it's interesting. There's only a few people in Florida that support

00:03:20.560 Ronna McDaniel, but unfortunately one of them is the chairman of the state of Florida, Joe Gruter.

00:03:24.720 So one of the things he did was to try to draw down turnout, making it on a weekday, making phone

00:03:29.520 calls, uh, and doing different things. Thankfully we, once again, we still had upwards 70 people

00:03:35.360 drive across the state. Florida is a big state. Some people drove seven, eight hours to make their

00:03:39.440 voices heard and almost nobody voted for Ronna McDaniels. So still a win, but they, they do a lot

00:03:45.040 of shenanigans. Not every state by the way is that way. Some of the quorum is only 20%, 30%. And so you

00:03:50.800 could easily call a special meeting. It's just a little tougher here in Florida because of our statute.

00:03:54.560 What, um, you know, in Florida, it's, if you ask most people in the country, things are going

00:04:01.920 swimmingly. Florida, they're attracting people. You're building the Republican party every day.

00:04:08.000 You just had a couple of blowout wins. Uh, you added some house seats. What, I mean,

00:04:13.760 what's the beef? Why? And Gruters is a guy that's pretty dialed in. What's the beef with the grassroots

00:04:18.960 on, on Ronna McDaniel, that if you look to any success story, you could look to Florida.

00:04:24.080 You guys don't give her credit or there's got to be something because the grassroots are

00:04:28.480 on the other side of this trade. They're adamantly opposed to her. They're, they're adamantly opposed

00:04:33.520 to her in a state that seems to be doing okay. Well, listen, a lot of people are coming to Florida

00:04:39.040 for the right reasons. A lot of people are very MAGA here. They want new leadership, new change. But

00:04:44.800 the problem with our state chairman is the same with a lot of the Republicans that vote for Ronna.

00:04:48.640 They have a personal relationship with her and it's hard to get them to break away from these

00:04:52.960 personal ties and just be good delegates and reflect the will of the majority of their voters.

00:04:58.000 As you know, Trafalgar poll shows Ronna's at 6% approval rating, 20% undecided, 74% want her

00:05:05.040 gone. But some of the people in the RNC just feel a friendship to her from years past. And so they can't

00:05:11.040 break away. But, uh, like I said, most Floridians want her gone. It's just a couple of key people 0.91

00:05:16.240 in leadership that have ties to her.

00:05:20.240 How already, uh, how's the vote going to come out for Florida? You've got three votes. You get

00:05:24.240 the GOP chair. Have they moved that? So Gruters gets the vote or is it going to be Ziegler? And I

00:05:29.360 think Ziegler's pro, uh, uh, uh, uh, pro change, pro Harmeet or pro Mike Lindell. He's anti, he's anti,

00:05:36.800 um, um, um, McDaniels. So how's it, who's actually going to vote in this for, to represent Florida?

00:05:43.360 So like every state, we get three delegates. So our three are the state chairman, Joe Gruters,

00:05:48.160 who's for Ronna. Uh, our state national committee man, Peter Feeman is for Harmeet Dillon. Uh,

00:05:55.600 the swing vote really for us is going to be a woman named Kathleen King. She's our national 1.00

00:06:01.520 committee woman. She says she's going to vote for Ronna, but she's not very dug in. She's not

00:06:05.760 very strongly committed. In fact, she hasn't even publicly announced what her position is. And so

00:06:10.480 our pressure really is on her. That's kind of the whole purpose of our whole meeting.

00:06:14.640 And it's where our efforts are going to be for the next seven days. Over the next seven days,

00:06:18.240 we're going to be getting every grassroots patriot in the state and across the nation to hit her up on her 0.79

00:06:23.280 email and try to get her, uh, to flip her vote. You know, she's up for election as national

00:06:27.840 committee woman in two years. And the next 48 hours, we're going to announce the candidacy of

00:06:33.040 one of the female members of the state party as an opponent to her, a primary opponent to her in 24, 0.96

00:06:37.920 if she votes for Ronna. So that's going to be our focus, putting pressure on her to make sure

00:06:41.840 she goes to Harmeet, uh, on, on Friday of next week in California.

00:06:47.040 Okay. How can people follow, follow all this? Where do they go to get up to date with what's

00:06:50.560 happening in Florida on this topic? So I'm, I'm posting on this topic, probably two,

00:06:56.080 three times a day on my Twitter through Facebook pages. That's at Anthony Sabatini. You can find

00:07:01.600 me on any social media platform and I'm keeping people up to date. And today I'll post some

00:07:05.600 information about how to get in touch with our national committee woman, Kathleen King,

00:07:09.040 and try to put some pressure on her. Uh, Anthony Sabatini, thank you very much for

00:07:14.640 giving us a live report. Appreciate it. Thanks Steve.

00:07:17.280 From Florida. I want to go to Arizona. We have Kelly Ward. Uh, Kelly, uh, there was some

00:07:23.840 conversation today on the, on the morning show, uh, with Ronna, she was on specifically about

00:07:29.120 Arizona. Uh, I know you saw that. Do you have any observations on that, ma'am?

00:07:35.840 Well, it just sounds like a bunch of crap. Uh, she's blaming me. She's blaming our candidates. 0.99

00:07:42.080 She's blaming everybody except for who she sees in the mirror. And it is a shame that she says,

00:07:47.520 Kelly Ward is the reason that the rhinos wouldn't vote for the candidates. That is ridiculous. The 1.00

00:07:53.360 rhinos are the reason that the rhinos didn't vote for the candidates. Um, we had rhinos running. They

00:07:59.840 all lost. Republicans do not want rhinos. Maybe independence want rhinos. Maybe Democrats want 0.63

00:08:06.640 rhinos. But we who believe in faith, family, and freedom, who believe in small government and low

00:08:11.600 taxes and personal responsibility and following the United States constitution and having religious

00:08:16.880 freedom. We don't want the rhinos and people associate the rhinos with Ronna. I guess it's

00:08:23.840 because it starts with R Ronna, Rhino, Rhino, Ronna. I don't know. Somebody calls her Rona. They said,

00:08:30.160 Rona's not for Zona. Rona was not for Zona. She did not help Arizona. Between the 2018 election and

00:08:36.960 the 2022 election, we had 40% less investment in our state when we still had these big races going on

00:08:45.440 for the United States Senate, as well as for governor and all the way down the executive ballot.

00:08:52.720 She worked with the Republican Governors Association to have them redirect their funds to the Yuma County

00:09:00.480 Republican Party. Doesn't that sound impressive? Yuma County got over $8 million because the

00:09:08.800 consultants that used to be a part of the Republican Party of Arizona can't eat at our trough any longer

00:09:15.360 because I require a request for proposal and what we're going to get, what return on investment we're

00:09:21.120 going to get. In Yuma, those guys are able to put a lot of that money in their pocket. About $4 million of the

00:09:27.840 almost $8 million went into the pockets of consultants. And if you looked at what the

00:09:32.560 Republican Governors Association produced for Carrie Lake, our candidate and the person that 0.99

00:09:38.240 I believe won the governor's race here in November, it was also crap. We are all tired of the crap. 1.00

00:09:46.480 We want something different. We want changes that start at the RNC. We want the RNC to listen to the 0.99

00:09:52.480 grassroots. Stop plugging their ears. Stop being good old boys. Stop having backroom deals that give

00:10:00.640 somebody some kind of political gain, personal or political. And let's set this party straight so

00:10:07.120 that we can start winning elections.

00:10:09.200 Go to the ropes and lost the, uh, lost the, uh, primary loss and pretty decisively after she put 1.00

00:10:16.160 pressure on, uh, Carrie Lake to concede early in the evening when she was up 10 points or Carrie Lake 0.97

00:10:21.600 was down. Carrie Lake says, no, I think I'll stick. I'll stick. I think I'll stick with the grassroots.

00:10:25.520 I think we got this. I think she won by four or five at the end. Um, what about, why did Robes,

00:10:31.360 why did Robes not come in and endorse that? They talk about unity. They talk about wanting to work

00:10:36.160 together. That was, that was one of the keys of the Republican establishment going out of their way

00:10:41.280 not to back Carrie Lake because of her border policies, because of her, uh, election integrity 0.93

00:10:46.720 to see policies about her wanting to empower, uh, the grassroots and particularly the rural areas

00:10:51.920 of Arizona, ma'am. Right. Uh, why she didn't, I don't know. You'd have to ask Karen. Um, but I will

00:11:00.560 tell you that she went into hiding after the primary election, Karen, uh, Taylor Robeson.

00:11:05.840 She then came out of hiding to endorse, uh, uh, uh, for a ballot procedure that allowed for tuition 0.99

00:11:16.080 in state tuition for illegal aliens, something that is opposed in drastic measure to the Republican

00:11:24.320 party platform. We do not believe in rewarding people who have come to our country illegally,

00:11:30.160 whether it's the parents of people who brought people, you know, their kids here for no, no fault

00:11:36.480 of their own, but still they are benefiting by breaking our laws. And that was the thing that

00:11:42.400 Karen came out to support was break Arizona's laws, give good taxpayer money to illegal aliens, 1.00

00:11:50.160 make it harder for hardworking Arizonans and Americans to be able to get the college degree that

00:11:55.520 they want. Um, take more money out of our pocket. Did you want to see Doug Ducey indoors Carrie Lake?

00:12:02.480 Did you see him appear at any of her events? No, you saw him fighting for the rhino side,

00:12:09.120 working, shaking hands with, uh, you know, Joe Biden and, and Cindy McCain and Jeff Blake and, uh,

00:12:16.480 Stephen Richer and Bill Gates from Arizona, the little short guy, um, with, with, uh, small man

00:12:23.040 complex. Uh, these guys that want to say that it's my fault or it's your fault, Steve, or it's the fault

00:12:30.480 of the grassroots that people didn't win elections need to look in the mirror, get on board with what

00:12:36.560 we are trying to accomplish as America first Patriots to save not only Arizona, but this entire

00:12:42.720 great country that is under attack from Democrat policies that want to make us not only socialist,

00:12:48.880 but communist. And, um, our, our Republicans are not fighting back. They are not standing up

00:12:55.520 and the grassroots are holding them accountable finally. And so I hate to see everything have to

00:13:01.920 be broken apart to be able to build it back up. But I can tell you, we need new leadership at the

00:13:07.120 Republican national committee. It starts with Rana and it goes all the way down that ballot.

00:13:12.400 Chairman, co-chair, secretary, treasurer. We need new people.

00:13:16.320 Uh, Kelly, how do people will follow you, ma'am?

00:13:23.200 They can find me on all social media platforms at Kelly Ward, a Z Kelly with an I, because I care

00:13:29.840 about the people and I'm running for RNC secretary. So there is a chance that we might be able to have

00:13:35.920 a grassroots voice on that executive committee. And imagine if it was Harmeet or Mike and then a great

00:13:41.680 co-chair, uh, a great treasurer, uh, Casey Crosby from Kentucky and me as the secretary. Wow.

00:13:48.800 Would that give the grassroots hope? Would that make a difference in Republican turnout? I think

00:13:54.080 the answer is yes. Kelly Ward, thank you. And thank you for being a fighter and changing

00:13:59.600 your schedule up today to come on. Appreciate it. I love it. Thanks, Steve. Bye-bye.

00:14:06.640 Okay. We're scared. We're going to try and get Kurt Schlechter and Caroline Rand, but I want to go,

00:14:10.000 I want to take a, in the middle here, talk about Davos and big developments today. Can we go ahead and

00:14:15.040 play the open for Joe Allen? So one issue I'm particularly concerned about is, um, that AI may

00:14:21.440 be as good as humans at a certain point and certain tasks, but you need humans with lots of experience.

00:14:28.560 I would not advise just blindly turning it on and walking away. Um, these systems have too many

00:14:34.320 flaws. They don't understand truth very well. Um, they can, uh, hallucinate, uh, facts that aren't

00:14:40.880 really there. Are they going to improve over time? They are going to improve dramatically over time.

00:14:46.000 Certainly right now it would be just downright dangerous to use them without having a human in

00:14:51.200 the loop. But I think even going forward, we're going to develop a new job. You touched on this,

00:14:56.720 the job of prompt engineering. How many have heard of the word prompt engineering? A few,

00:15:00.640 a few people. You're all going to be hearing about it soon. Prompt engineering is the idea that when you

00:15:05.200 work with, uh, one of these large language models, you can write different kinds of queries. And it turns

00:15:10.720 out that depending on how you write the query, you get dramatically different results. Even the

00:15:15.360 inventors of these technologies are surprised at some of the things you can get them to do if you

00:15:20.400 ask the questions the right way. Eric, you made a point about radiologists and it's classic example.

00:15:26.160 Um, I don't want a computer telling me that my, that my scan was difficult, but I also don't know

00:15:31.120 that I need a doctor to do it. And we were talking about this beforehand, like doctors are AI is really

00:15:37.120 bad at, um, telling you you have cancer. Many doctors are pretty bad. Oh, I've had that experience.

00:15:43.840 So we were talking and I wonder if there isn't a job title, a new job called empathist. And I'm

00:15:48.800 going to trademark that. And in fairness, chat GPT apologized to me the other day, you know? And

00:15:53.360 so, I mean, it's, it's already better than the doctor. Yes. I'm not saying that it's developing

00:15:56.880 empathy. What do you get worried about? Um, one of the things I think, I think we've all begun to

00:16:02.720 be worried about is the ability of these, uh, tools to generate information and disinformation at scale.

00:16:10.160 Yeah. As an economist, if you set the price of generating disinformation to zero,

00:16:15.120 the quantity tends to go to a very large number. So we're all going to be flooded shortly with

00:16:20.800 enormous amounts of incoming, uh, tweets, posts, text messages, uh, press releases, et cetera,

00:16:28.000 that are bot generated. And it's going to be a flood of sometimes very interesting information,

00:16:34.320 sometimes completely made up false information. And we have to find a way to navigate that.

00:16:38.800 We're already seeing some of that happening. And, and I'm-

00:16:41.360 And is it fair to say that the Chinese have, I mean, our experience, the Chinese have leadership

00:16:45.600 in this area. Is that, is that your, do you agree with that?

00:16:48.880 Well, Chinese have some, they're very strong AI and lots of, uh, lots of these things. Many of the 0.80

00:16:54.240 fundamental breakthroughs were actually made in the United States and then perfected

00:16:58.240 with very large data sets in China.

00:17:00.400 Okay. I want to bring in, I'm the prompt engineer. I want to bring in, uh, Joe Allen. Joe, uh, this

00:17:08.240 morning, pretty controversial. In fact, I want to play that clip a little bit. Tell me what we just

00:17:12.160 saw there again at, at Davos. This, I hope the audience is fully gripped in the fact that AI is

00:17:19.120 coming, not just into your world, which it already is, but generative AI is coming in to your job

00:17:25.120 in your workplace. Joe Allen.

00:17:28.480 Yeah, that was one of the maybe duller panels, but what they're talking about is really, really

00:17:35.200 important. They're talking about in white collar jobs, the role of AI, and maybe more important,

00:17:41.520 the role of human beings in those jobs. So that, uh, man, we just heard from a Stanford professor,

00:17:48.320 Eric Brynjolfsson, he was describing this prompt engineering job, which is basically the human

00:17:56.960 who will interface with the machine, right? So with a large language model, it in the same way that

00:18:04.000 Google generates answers or generates, uh, you know, in the case of, say, chat GPT, it's generating a

00:18:10.960 piece of writing, or in the case of Dolly too, it's generating an image. The prompt engineer

00:18:16.880 basically is the person who is manipulating the computer to do what an, uh, what otherwise would

00:18:22.160 be a human job. And I think that when they're talking about, you know, creating empathists and

00:18:28.400 things like that, it's with this sort of foreknowledge, or at least in their projections, this idea in the

00:18:34.560 near future, many of the important human jobs where it's critical to have an expert, it's critical to

00:18:40.640 have somebody who has many years or decades of experience. Uh, they anticipate these jobs to be

00:18:46.800 winnowed away. And so what you're left with is the person who can basically punch in queries to the

00:18:53.040 machine and the empathist who can hold someone's hand while the machine, you know, works on their

00:18:59.840 body. I, I, you know, I am very, very skeptical as to how far these technologies can go to actually

00:19:06.640 replace machines. But what is really, really important as you hear these people in Davos

00:19:12.080 talking about it, as you hear Silicon Valley talking about it, as you hear people all over

00:19:16.720 the world in positions of power talking about it, they plan to implement these technologies.

00:19:23.120 They're talking about the risks and the mitigation, but ultimately their plan is to go forward

00:19:28.480 anyway, and they'll figure out the problems later. That's what's most concerning to me is they are

00:19:33.760 constructing a system which nor bin Laden, I think really put it. Well, their utopia is our dystopia. 1.00

00:19:42.320 They're constructing a system of control in which human beings are more and more irrelevant. And even

00:19:48.720 if they acknowledge that they plan to do it anyway.

00:19:51.920 Here's the thing. This is not, you're not looking at advanced R and D in a weapons lab,

00:19:59.120 or these are things that are about to go into production stage. This morning on the show,

00:20:02.800 talk about a minute about they're discussing the, the human with the chip robot AI interface as the,

00:20:12.320 as the production floor in the future, the manufacturing floor, plus the office, whether that's a,

00:20:17.440 uh, whether that's a law firm, uh, whether it's a medical, uh, you know, a medical office, uh,

00:20:23.760 whether it's a news desk, uh, they're, they're already planning on this and the venture capital,

00:20:29.120 private equity and hedge funds are lined up to invest in it. Joe Allen.

00:20:34.160 Yeah. And again, you know, that investment element is also really important.

00:20:38.000 The people that are speaking at Davos are basically putting out a sales pitch and they're

00:20:43.040 putting it out to the wealthiest people on earth. Some people are going to take it. Some people aren't,

00:20:47.600 but in the case of AI, especially in the case of generative AI, there is going to be massive

00:20:53.600 investment in this, meaning that it's going to roll out and be deployed anyway. Uh, it's not in

00:21:00.800 many ways, it will be very, very useful. I think that that's maybe one of the biggest problems is that

00:21:07.200 if you have, instead of having a team of designers or instead of having a team of copywriters,

00:21:14.000 you just have a prompt engineer who's best able to manipulate the machine to generate content,

00:21:19.920 then you a have saved money and B your output is going to far exceed other human based teams

00:21:27.760 in the sorts of quick, like fast paced corporate markets that they're talking about using these in

00:21:33.520 on top of that, uh, you know, just to veer away from the kind of corporate sector at the end there,

00:21:39.600 they're talking about how these bots are going to generate this information at scale. We already

00:21:46.320 have tons and tons of bots that have flooded social media. They call you all the time trying

00:21:51.520 to get you to give them their credit card, whatever it is. The difference between the bots that we have

00:21:56.240 now versus those that will be based on these more advanced large language models is that the large

00:22:02.240 language models will be able to hold conversations in ways that are much more convincing. You might be

00:22:08.240 able to trip them up. You might not. But as you heard, uh, Mr. Brynjolfsson say they are going to get

00:22:15.600 better and better and better. And so what it means is you end up in this kind of Philip K. Dick

00:22:21.440 illusory world where you're never really sure what you're looking at is real. People already, when,

00:22:28.080 when they see content online, they ask, is that a deep fake? Or they, they, they run into a

00:22:34.240 particularly obstinate human being online. You're like, is this a bot? Am I speaking to a bot?

00:22:39.600 You really can't tell in many of these situations. And I think that's another major, major danger that

00:22:45.440 we have is that people are going to become much more detached from reality, the more absorbed they are

00:22:52.320 in digital media and every force in our culture from education to the corporate sector, to the, the, the,

00:23:00.640 government and military, all of them are pushing us further and further into this sort of digital

00:23:06.000 existence. And so I, I, I, Steve, as much as I love to be an optimist, I do think that the coming wave is

00:23:14.400 going to generate more and more neuroses, more and more social pathologies. And on just a strictly economic

00:23:21.360 level, it's going to displace human value more and more. And they're going to find every possible

00:23:27.040 justification to go forward with it. We do know today that Alphabet or the parent company of Google

00:23:33.360 announced 12,000 homo sapiens were laid off. At the same time, we also know the two founders of Google

00:23:39.600 have been called back because of advances in AI that have gotten beyond Google. At, at Davis,

00:23:46.480 we're going to have two minutes on this, Joe, I'm going to pitch to you right now, is that whether

00:23:50.800 it was climate change, mental health, whatever aspect, chat, GPT, our generative artificial

00:23:56.480 intelligence was the thing, was the thing that drove Davos this time. Your thoughts?

00:24:03.360 Absolutely. And, you know, it may not seem directly connected, but the connection of the, the,

00:24:10.480 this sort of faith in artificial intelligence to organize society, and this conviction that the

00:24:16.560 climate is changing rapidly, it's a human danger, and we have to do something now. Those two ideas

00:24:23.600 are tightly coupled in practice. One of the many, there's a whole array of solutions that are AI-based,

00:24:31.440 data-based solutions, meaning that you use advanced AI systems to scrape the data of the entire population

00:24:40.080 to see who's producing the most carbon, and then you use AI systems to generate the most efficient ways

00:24:47.920 of getting rid of that excess carbon. So basically what we're seeing, to put it in very brief terms,

00:24:54.960 climate change is being used as a justification to further increase the rollout of digitization,

00:25:02.880 to roll out a fully digital society where everything is tracked, every move is, is tallied, and you are

00:25:11.200 under the control of that digital system. That is the dream of theirs that is our dystopia.

00:25:20.480 Joe, how do people get to all the social media and where you put the, where you put all your content

00:25:25.200 up for War Room? You can find me at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z on Gitter and Twitter,

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00:25:40.800 Norbin Lund, the entire team, we had Savannah, Hernandez, all of them from all the different

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00:25:50.560 Thank you very much, Steve.

00:25:54.080 Okay. First hour, we were all over this RNC fight. We started the show here with Sabatini

00:25:58.720 in Florida and Kelly Ward in Arizona. We're going to take a short commercial break. We're

00:26:03.440 going to bring in Kurt Schlichter, one of the top columnist, observers, and actual participants,

00:26:09.760 one of the combatants in this RNC fight, and also the one and only Caroline Wren. We're

00:26:14.400 going to take a short commercial break. Kurt Schlichter and Caroline Wren on this quite nasty,

00:26:19.440 personal fight for the chair of the RNC. Be back in a moment.

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00:30:44.560 Okay, welcome back. We have Kurt Schlichter, one of the top columnists around, novelist,

00:31:00.300 army officer. Kurt, you've been deeply involved in this from the beginning. Got to ask you, we had

00:31:06.500 Anthony Sabatini on to start the six o'clock show from Florida. They called this emergency meeting

00:31:14.180 of the executive committee of Florida. The establishment played around with, you know,

00:31:19.520 how to get a quorum. They failed to get a quorum, barely. But in the vote, it was 69 to two

00:31:26.000 against Ronald McDaniel. I want to pull the camera back for a second because we seem to have something,

00:31:31.340 we seem to have something. We just want to draw on. We seem to have something that the grassroots is

00:31:38.580 on fire about, right? That it's got to be change. And we had Kelly Ward on, you know, right afterwards

00:31:43.940 about Arizona, what happened with the Kelly, the Kerry Lake situation. You have major donors

00:31:49.480 like Dick Uline and Bernie Marcus, who are her two men of not just enormous wealth, but discernment,

00:31:56.920 judgment, wisdom, love, love the Republican party. And they've come out and say, hey, there's got to

00:32:01.680 be change. But it still looks like there's a fight at this and a big fight at these people that

00:32:08.260 represent it in the RNC itself. Walk the audience through in your judgment. What is at stake here?

00:32:15.660 And what are we seeing as we are now a week away from the vote?

00:32:20.760 Well, Steve, I think what we're seeing is a real test by the base, the people who get out there,

00:32:26.700 they knock on doors, they dial numbers, they write the small donor checks. Look,

00:32:31.160 the world you and I live in, the world these people live in, doesn't allow people with a track record

00:32:37.600 of failure to continue. Take you, for example, when you were in the finance markets, you wouldn't let

00:32:43.140 someone who failed five times in a row handle an account, they'd be making coffee. When you were a

00:32:48.760 surface warfare officer, you wouldn't let the guy who ran his ship aground five times steer the ship,

00:32:55.080 he'd be handing out volleyballs. We're not asking for any special treatment. We're not asking for any

00:33:02.840 standard that we don't meet ourselves. Get it done. It's not personal. I don't know, Rona.

00:33:09.620 Maybe she's a nice person. Maybe she's a bad person. I don't care. Her job is to win. She hasn't won.

00:33:17.160 She's had three chances. There's no indication that given a fourth term,

00:33:21.180 she's suddenly going to do a 180 and start putting the fear of God into the Democrats. 1.00

00:33:26.760 Now, here's a real test. The regime media is out there talking about how Rona's got this,

00:33:32.320 which she most certainly does not. But why would the regime media be nice to a Republican? Do you

00:33:41.540 think it's because she's a ruthless killer who leaves quivering pinkos in her weight? No, 1.00

00:33:47.520 it's because she loses and loses and loses. And they want us to keep on losing. The base is

00:33:54.640 demanding change, Steve. The base wants change, and it needs to get change.

00:34:02.160 I want to talk about that. She pitched unity today, but we've had unity in the Republican Party

00:34:07.120 in the past. It's controlled opposition. The reason we're here on the invasion of the southern border,

00:34:11.660 on the breakdown of cultural and societal norms, going after the family, what's happening in the

00:34:19.600 schools, the $30 trillion in debt, the out-of-control spending, as you know, the weaponization of the

00:34:25.440 FBI and DOJ against people. These things just didn't happen overnight. And they happened with a lot of

00:34:31.620 establishment Republicans. What is your message then when she says, hey, I'm just trying to unite

00:34:35.840 people? And there's Schlichters of the world and the Caroline Rens and the Bannons. These are all these 0.83

00:34:40.240 disruptors that are so MAGA and so Trump and so America first that they only have a slice of the

00:34:47.420 electorate, sir. Well, first of all, let's get the MAGA stuff out of the way. It's Donald Trump's

00:34:54.440 people who are out there, I've been told, lobbying corona, making calls and intervening. So I don't need

00:35:03.860 that. I don't work for anybody except America and American conservatism. I'm out there because

00:35:11.120 Rona keeps losing. I'm all for unity in the Republican Party, Steve. I want unity. We need

00:35:17.680 to unify around someone that the base wants. And that's Harmeet Dillon. And it's clearly Harmeet Dillon.

00:35:25.100 It's not even close. You go out there, you run a poll like Trafalgar did. 86% wanted Rona gone.

00:35:32.820 I've run polls on Twitter with between 3,500 and 6,000 voters. We're talking 2% support for Rona.

00:35:40.100 Let's get unity. Rona, do the right thing. Withdraw. You get a handshake. You get a nice gold watch.

00:35:47.200 You'll get our thanks. Again, nothing personal. You're just not good enough. So you need to go.

00:35:53.860 And let's unify around Harmeet Dillon, someone with a proven track record of failure, success as

00:36:01.160 opposed to failure, who understands what we need to do to change this, how we need to improve our

00:36:06.760 messaging, improve our organization, demonstrate transparency and financials, and be ready to

00:36:13.700 participate in lawfare. I remember rolling into Las Vegas a day after the election in 2020.

00:36:20.720 And I got there, and there was one lawyer on the ground. One in one of the top six cities.

00:36:29.140 Inexcusable. Inexcusable. We need accountability. We have failed five election cycles in a row,

00:36:37.240 including runoffs. No more. Someone has to go. That's Rona. She's in command. It's on.

00:36:43.920 I want to go back to that, because when you told that story the first time, the audience really

00:36:49.680 responded. When you showed up, and this is in 2020, there was only one other lawyer there,

00:36:55.140 and you were there for a week or so trying to sort that thing out and allow the true winner,

00:37:00.280 Donald Trump, to come forward. Had anything been done? How do we end up in that jam? Had anything been

00:37:07.660 done to make sure on election integrity, on mail-in ballots or anything up until that time? And since

00:37:14.520 we had fantastic Laxalt, Seagal lost as attorney general, we had Adam Laxalt lose. Had anything

00:37:24.760 been done successfully? Had the RNC been involved either in getting us prepared so it wouldn't happen

00:37:31.280 in 2020, fighting to the tooth and nail after 2020, or doing anything to prep for 2022, where we just

00:37:38.120 lost two very winnable seats. I mean, the Laxalt should be in the Senate, and Seagal Chata should

00:37:45.340 be the attorney general, sir. Absolutely. They are both great candidates. Look, the fight is won or

00:37:55.760 the legal fight is won or lost months before the first ballot is cast. You have to be on the ground

00:38:02.360 preparing the battle space legally. You have to think through your strategy, and you have to be

00:38:06.640 ready. Democrats have Perkins Coie, and they got Mark Elias' group, and they have an actual unit there

00:38:13.260 where you have everything, logistics, all that. We show up, and there's one guy, and he's a great

00:38:20.480 lawyer, and he did a great job, but he's one guy, okay? No logistics, no law firm. Where are the

00:38:30.640 paralegals? Who's got my copy paper? Instead, I'm running around doing that stuff, okay? Carolyn Wren,

00:38:37.460 who you'll be talking to in a minute, is trying to organize. We're trying to organize and execute at

00:38:42.940 once, which you know as a military guy, just a recipe for failure, okay? And we still had problems

00:38:49.100 in 2022. I didn't participate as a lawyer this time, but I didn't see any great game plan. I don't

00:38:57.080 know. What's the plan for 2024? What's the plan? Let me see the off order. I want to know how Rona

00:39:03.660 plans to execute, but she doesn't because she's too busy trying to preserve her job when she should 0.98

00:39:09.240 be saying, hey, I tried her meat. You got my total support. Let's move forward together, and she can go 0.99

00:39:15.500 keep contributing in a more appropriate fashion.

00:39:21.660 Kurt, how do people get to your books, your writings, and your social media, sir?

00:39:27.980 Well, look, you can find me writing as a senior columnist at Town Hall every Monday, Wednesday,

00:39:33.320 and Thursday. You can follow me on Twitter, at Kurt Schlicker, which I suggest you do, because

00:39:38.560 I'm frankly amazing. Again, no trial lawyer should ever be modest. If you find one who is,

00:39:43.740 don't believe him. You can get my books, including the new novel, Inferno. Just go on Amazon.

00:39:48.920 Great conservative stuff. Our mutual friend, Andrew Breitbart, inspired it. He said, we got to make

00:39:53.640 our culture. I said, gosh, maybe I'll write something I want to read, and I did. The Kelly

00:39:58.760 Turnbull People's Republic series, Inferno's number seven. I'm writing number eight.

00:40:05.800 Thank you very much. I'm honored to have you on here, sir. Thank you.

00:40:08.060 Thanks for having me.

00:40:12.280 Kurt Schlicker. Let's go to Caroline Wren. So, Caroline, here's the question. Kurt brought

00:40:16.480 it up, and the regime media, MSNBC and CNN's telling us every day this thing's over. Rana's

00:40:22.360 got a couple of hundred, you know, she's got 120 votes. Harmeet's a nice person, but somebody

00:40:29.200 played the religious card on her. Mike Lindell's nice, but he's not really a member of the RNC.

00:40:33.520 So, this is all a total waste of time. What's your response, ma'am?

00:40:38.760 Well, I mean, it's just not true, but, you know, the legacy media always lies to us, so

00:40:42.820 that's not really surprising. But, you know, I was watching her today. Like, do you remember

00:40:46.660 that scene in 127 Hours when James Franco amputates his own arm? That was easier to watch than

00:40:53.820 Rana McDaniel answer your questions today on War Room. It was just, I mean, you were asking

00:40:59.380 here, like, some of them were pretty easy. Like, they were softballs, and you could not get

00:41:02.840 a straight answer from her. And this is the problem that we're all having with it right

00:41:06.080 now. Like, they've got her in lockdown mode. I do appreciate she at least attempted to come

00:41:09.840 on and do an interview and answer some questions. But they're just hiding behind the consultants

00:41:14.380 people involved who are just telling reporters, oh, we have 107 votes, this thing's over, everybody

00:41:18.180 go away. Like, how dare you even question this? And the reality is, like, of course people

00:41:23.340 are going to question it. There's been five failed election cycles in a row. And the idea

00:41:28.280 that anyone would just coronate Rana McDaniel back into office is absurd. We should be having

00:41:32.960 these leadership debates in our party. It's healthy for our party. It's absolutely necessary.

00:41:36.680 And on top of all that, Harmeet is going to win. And so I don't, you know, I don't really

00:41:41.180 know where they get off saying this type of stuff. But that was a, like I said, that was

00:41:44.800 a very painful interview to have to watch as an audience member.

00:41:50.240 Let me, you know, it's obvious, and let's talk about Florida for a second, because I think

00:41:55.600 Florida's an example. Let me go in a different direction first. It's obvious from us at the

00:42:03.480 war room, as we watch, you know, the grassroots, we pride ourselves in being the platform for

00:42:09.320 the grassroots and the Trump movement and nationalism. There's overwhelming. I mean, every time we

00:42:13.360 put up a poll on Kurt's right, you know, we put up a poll, if we do it on Getter, if we

00:42:17.280 put up polls other where we've seen Trafalgar, I mean, it's overwhelming. And usually the split

00:42:22.120 is, you know, often as we put it up, it's 65% Mike, 35% Harmeet, 1% Rana. Other polls,

00:42:32.120 it's 70% Harmeet, you know, 29% Mike and 1% Rana. But the, it's always Rana at like 1%.

00:42:41.120 I see in donors who are real donors, because a lot of people pop up in the, as you know,

00:42:47.040 in these news stories all the time, they say they're donors, you never see where these guys

00:42:50.180 write a check, right? But you have two heavyweights like Dick Uline and, and, and Bernie

00:42:56.140 Marcus. And these are not people that come in and intrude in RNC chairman fights. I mean,

00:43:01.160 they're, they're at 10 levels above that for them to write letters. And I tell people for

00:43:06.440 a guy like Dick Uline and a, and a, and a, and a, and a, and a gentleman like, like Bernie

00:43:11.540 Marcus to write a letter and say specifically, Hey, you know, you've done a good job, but it's

00:43:16.660 time to move on. And we support Harmeet Dillon and we need to do it now. We can't, we're at a

00:43:20.620 crossroads and inflection point. That's like a papal bull. So you have the biggest, most important

00:43:26.240 donors who, who are never asking anything from themselves, but always trying to push forward

00:43:30.640 the country and the movement. And you have this just massive overwhelming, you know, outpouring

00:43:36.760 of the grassroots. I think Kurt did a good job of summarizing it. Why does it appear you may be

00:43:43.540 having problems with the 168 so hermetically sealed that, uh, that they're, they're impervious 0.77

00:43:51.240 to outside pressure, ma'am?

00:43:55.140 Well, I think that what had happened is Ronna told people two years ago that she was not

00:43:58.540 going to run for reelection again. So the, once again, they, they weren't expecting her

00:44:01.760 to, people thought that she was, she seemed ready to move on anyway as well. And then it

00:44:06.300 was kind of shocking then when November, when she announced she was running for reelection

00:44:09.220 and nobody, I guess in the two weeks stepped up and said, I'm running against you. And

00:44:13.740 so during that time, they announced 107, 168 members that endorsed her. A lot of them

00:44:18.580 we've talked to didn't even know they were on the letter said, Oh, okay. I mean, I did

00:44:21.680 say that because, you know, there was nobody else running. And so since then we, you know,

00:44:26.520 everyone's been chipping away from that number and you have to basically work backwards.

00:44:29.320 And so I, you know, I can't explain to you like why people want to stick with the status

00:44:33.600 quo here. Every, every one of these 168 members are individual people and have their

00:44:37.340 own reasoning, but I will tell you, there was a ton of them that are saying to us, look,

00:44:41.540 exactly what I said. I put my name down on her letter for like, frankly, I didn't think

00:44:44.500 anyone, I didn't even think she was going to run. I didn't think someone was going to 1.00

00:44:47.140 challenge her, but now I've, I've heard from you. And I think that you have some really

00:44:50.040 interesting ideas and I look forward to talking more in data point point. And, and I'm going

00:44:53.560 to make my decision there on the floor as to who I'm going to vote for. That's why I'm

00:44:56.640 saying this thing is extremely competitive. It should, frankly, it shouldn't be competitive.

00:45:00.680 Like it's, it's, it's quite overwhelming outside of the 168 that everyone wants change, but within

00:45:05.960 it, I think that it's just some people who are kind of, you know, just there's, they're

00:45:09.620 either scared because they gave their word to her or they just have, they're not used

00:45:12.600 to bucking systems or they've, when we, when we do say things like, oh, she's traded things.

00:45:16.980 I think, I think Rana brought this up today. How, how dare her meet or her deputies go out 1.00

00:45:21.500 there and say that we're, that I'm giving out, you know, different things. We're not saying

00:45:25.660 that Rana is going and handing them some sack of cash and bribing them, but what is happening

00:45:29.500 is people say, oh, well, Rana made me chair of the convention last time, or Rana put me on

00:45:33.040 rules committee or budget committee. That's fine. That is what the chair has the ability

00:45:36.500 to do that. Right? Like, so it's not, but that is why a lot of them are saying like,

00:45:41.000 I don't know if she was good to me because I got this position from her and like her meet

00:45:44.160 or Mike are not able to do that. Like we're not in the position. So we are just relying

00:45:48.600 on the grassroots to prop us up and are demanding up in these States to say, we want a change

00:45:53.780 in leadership. That's great that you got some position from Rana, but that things are not

00:45:58.940 going well. The, you know, the house is, is, is burning down around us and like, we've

00:46:03.200 got to have a change and we're demanding it.

00:46:07.420 I asked her about a Pyrrhic victory that if, that if she was able to pull this out next, 0.61

00:46:11.980 we will talk about the battle plan in a moment, but she was able to pull it out. You've got

00:46:16.080 all of Fox primetime. You have Charlie Crane. In fact, I've never seen unity in the people

00:46:21.080 I know, uh, except for this topic. I mean, you have the, you have primetime of Fox news.

00:46:26.880 You have Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Charlie Kirk. Um, you have the entire war room posse.

00:46:33.280 You've got, then you've got major donors. If she was to win, it's not like it's going

00:46:38.020 to go away. Correct. This is, people are kind of determined that there must be change.

00:46:42.720 Am I correct in that?

00:46:44.720 Cause I play anywhere. A few people reached out to me, other consultants, people in the

00:46:49.140 camp saying, Carolyn, you need to back down a little bit. You know, Rana is going to win 0.88

00:46:52.380 this thing and she's got to be able, you know, so we just, you need to stand down or else

00:46:56.260 it's going to start to cause problems for you or her. Everyone has different excuses.

00:47:00.120 And my point is I'm not backing down. This isn't some personal vendetta that I have against

00:47:04.520 Rana McDaniel. I'm trying to protect everyone in the party. The base is not going to accept

00:47:08.680 her. I mean, she talked today about how she's going to go around and open community centers

00:47:11.940 or, or go on some sort of grassroots tour. Like, I mean, 71 people showed up in Sarasota,

00:47:17.200 Florida on the middle of, on a work day, randomly just to protest vote from the executive

00:47:20.480 committee, Rana McDaniel. Like they're, they're not just all of a sudden in four months

00:47:24.440 going to be like, okay, great. Let's open an Asian American community center together,

00:47:27.460 Rana. Let's forgive and forget. The base has been upset with Rana since 2020, since they

00:47:32.800 felt that, you know, she said this on your show today, that the RNC could not do election

00:47:37.660 integrity in 2020 because of a, you know, some consent decree. Well then I think a lot of the

00:47:42.660 base and donors want to know why they received a hundred text messages and emails a day saying

00:47:47.200 triple X match, stand with Trump, defend election integrity. If they weren't even, I guess,

00:47:51.960 able to do election integrity, like where did that money go? And that was the tipping point

00:47:56.560 for Rana. They were willing, they did not hang 2018 on her. And after 2020 though, people did.

00:48:02.420 And it wasn't even all just about her. People are frustrated and angry. And then nothing was fixed,

00:48:08.300 even though we were all screaming it at her, like at everyone saying, guys, especially, I mean,

00:48:12.380 look at Arizona. If you do not fix the problems in our elections, then we will never be able to win

00:48:17.480 again. And then we get to 2022 and you have Rana out there saying, oh, we won the popular vote.

00:48:21.720 Like what, what popular vote? What does that even mean? Like we don't have a majority in the Senate

00:48:26.080 and we, we don't, we lost so many of these governors races that we should have won.

00:48:30.220 And we have a razor thin majority in the house and people are just done with the spin. They're done

00:48:35.660 with it. What's the battle plan? Uh, one week from today, you'll either have a new RNC chair,

00:48:43.440 they'll be in multiple ballots right now. Walk us through what we can anticipate and how this

00:48:47.860 audience can find out more. Well, it is. I mean, we are in a battle for our country anyway. I mean,

00:48:54.580 our liberty and sovereignty and our most fundamental rights are, they're being just like systematically

00:48:59.860 dismantled by an unholy alliance of these corrupt DC politicians, the biased media, and then a

00:49:06.020 compromised justice system that is punishing anyone in the conservative movement. And we have to

00:49:10.780 we are at war with the left and this, and this, this system. And the bottom line is that Ronna

00:49:16.500 McDaniel is not a general. That is very apparent to anyone who will watch. Harmeet and Mike Lindell

00:49:21.580 are both generals in this war. They could lead us to victory. And so we are going to go into next week

00:49:26.580 like it's a battle, like the way that we should be treating the left right now and our elections.

00:49:32.060 We need to stop just saying, we'll get it the next time. Oh, don't worry about it. No,

00:49:35.060 no, no. We will leave every single thing on the field and convince people that that that. I mean,

00:49:39.900 for me, Harmeet Dillon is the right person to lead this party. Here are the reasons why. Let's start

00:49:44.400 with some basic things such as she's a brilliant attorney that won three cases in front of the 0.99

00:49:48.700 Supreme Court last year alone. This is a woman who wins. She does not do anything unless she's going 1.00

00:49:53.560 to win. And so I would say that she would not be leaving her law practice and putting her life on

00:49:59.400 the line and going to Dana Point and to tell everyone to vote for me unless she knew she was going to win. 0.99

00:50:04.200 So we feel extremely confident and we get there on Tuesday. We're meeting with everyone Wednesday

00:50:08.880 and Thursday and the vote is Friday morning. That is a lot of time to sit across from people

00:50:13.100 and have Rana be doing the same. And Rana doesn't have anything to campaign on. So what is it that

00:50:18.940 she's going to tell these members were her success points outside of I opened a few community centers.

00:50:24.260 Harmeet Dillon is able to say, here are the accomplishments that I've had in my life. Here are

00:50:27.460 the ideas I have. Everyone should actually go today to read on Harmeet's Twitter account. You can go to

00:50:32.360 mine. She wrote the most beautiful op-ed on how we need to deal with election integrity. And it's

00:50:38.760 pretty long, saved some time, but it is a very detailed plan of here is the problems and here's

00:50:43.160 what I'm going to do. With people, we want plans. We want actual plans of action. Harmeet is willing

00:50:48.160 to deliver those plans. And a lot of those she's going to be unveiling next week in Dana Point at

00:50:52.720 this meeting. And she's going to, real quickly, she's going to be at this debate that John Fredericks

00:50:57.880 and Real America Voice is going to put on. Mike Lindell will be there. Is Harmeet going

00:51:02.080 to participate?

00:51:04.180 I don't know. I talked to John today and I'll be upfront with you. Rana McDaniel needs to show

00:51:10.120 up to this debate. There should be a public debate with people in person. Now, if I do

00:51:14.320 worry, if we take Harmeet and Mike Lindell away for an hour and a half in the middle of

00:51:20.140 this meeting to go and do a debate without Rana, what will Rana and her team do? How do we

00:51:25.680 know they won't call a snap election or something? I mean, that is a lot of time. It's 90 minutes

00:51:29.740 away. Rana needs to show up to this thing. It should be all three of them. And John and

00:51:34.060 everyone needs to continue to push and say, no, we will make ourselves available, Rana.

00:51:38.040 We will do whatever she said today. It's a time constraint. Well, you know what? Let's

00:51:42.200 do it Monday. Let's do it Tuesday. Let's do it at 10 p.m., 9 a.m. You need the time and

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Bannon's War Room - January 20, 2023

WarRoom Battleground EP 217： WEF Selling Digital Dehumanization

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