Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 218： Where Is The Money Going When Sent To Ukraine

00:00:00.000 This is what you're fighting for.

00:00:13.880 I mean, every day you're out there, what they're doing is blowing people off.

00:00:20.280 If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.

00:00:27.140 Because this is just like in Arizona. This is just like in Georgia. 0.64

00:00:31.280 It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.

00:00:36.380 This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. As we've told you, this is the fight.

00:00:40.560 All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.

00:00:44.480 War Room. Battleground. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:49.560 One month after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky embarked on an historic trip to Washington, D.C. to plead for more military aid,

00:00:56.520 it appears that Western allies are poised to grant his wish.

00:01:00.320 This week, several nations pledged an unprecedented amount of new aid packages to be sent to war-torn Ukraine.

00:01:06.220 Here's a snapshot of what certain countries are providing.

00:01:09.000 Denmark is pledging howitzer artillery systems and additional training for Ukraine's military.

00:01:13.940 Estonia plans to send howitzer artillery systems, other artillery ammunition, and M2 anti-tank grenade launchers.

00:01:21.660 Latvia is sending Stinger air defense systems, M-17 helicopters, machine guns with ammo, and unmanned aerial vehicles, drones, basically.

00:01:31.020 Lithuania has pledged L-70 anti-aircraft guns with ammo, M-18 helicopters, and $40 million in cash.

00:01:38.680 Poland says it will send S-60 anti-aircraft guns, more howitzers, and various types of ammunition.

00:01:44.520 Sweden has pledged an Archer artillery system, CV-90 armored vehicles, and portable anti-tank missiles.

00:01:50.680 The U.K. is sending Challenger 2 tanks, brimstone anti-tank munitions, AS-90 self-propelled guns, and armored and protected vehicles.

00:02:00.560 Last but certainly not least, the United States is committing 59 Bradley fighting vehicles, 90 striker combat vehicles,

00:02:07.360 53 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles, 350 Humvee armored vehicles, and hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition.

00:02:15.900 Now, I know it's a lot of information, but big picture, here's the point.

00:02:19.640 Ukraine is getting a lot of assistance that it badly needs.

00:02:22.220 However, these aid packages do fail to include the one specific item that Ukraine has been desperately seeking.

00:02:28.780 Sophisticated German-made Leopard 2 main battle tanks.

00:02:32.660 If leopards were sent to Ukraine, they would be a game-changer on the battlefield. 0.80

00:02:35.840 Representatives from 54 nations, part of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, gathered yesterday at the Ramstein Air Base in Germany

00:02:43.840 to hammer out what other aid should be provided for Ukraine.

00:02:47.200 But at the end of five hours of talks, Germany said it still remains undecided on whether to provide its Leopard 2 main battle tanks.

00:02:54.980 Germany's main concern is the risk that Russia will view providing heavy tanks as an escalation in the conflict,

00:03:00.400 putting Germany in the Kremlin's crosshairs.

00:03:02.620 Meanwhile, Reuters is reporting today that Ukraine has announced it will begin training its troops to use the Leopard tanks in Poland while it awaits a decision.

00:03:11.140 During Friday's meeting, Zelensky, who spoke via livestream, expressed a dire need for more sophisticated weaponry.

00:03:17.600 You hundreds of times, and it will be absolutely just and fair, given all that we have already done.

00:03:28.200 But hundreds of thank you are not hundreds of tanks.

00:03:34.520 All of us can use thousands of wars in discussions, but I cannot put wars instead of guns that are needed against Russian artillery.

00:03:42.900 Okay, it's 23 January in the year of our Lord, 2023.

00:03:50.540 It's Monday.

00:03:51.880 We're off to a very hot start this week already.

00:03:55.420 But we've got to pivot and really drill down on Ukraine.

00:03:58.700 Before we do that, I got Rebecca Koffler. 1.00

00:04:00.780 We're trying to get Rebecca on Saturday, and that was her cold open for Saturday. 0.96

00:04:04.640 Some things have changed.

00:04:05.880 Actually, the Germans say that they're telling the Poles they can give them the tanks, at least some of the tanks.

00:04:13.380 We're going to talk about all that here in a moment.

00:04:16.140 I want to start with John Mills, though, and I'll get Rebecca in for her opinion.

00:04:20.160 Major development today on – and John explained this to us – an arrest of an FBI counterintelligence officer that was part of the Trump investigation into the phony – the fake news phony investigation into Russian collusion.

00:04:33.940 And now a senior FBI agent is arrested, sir?

00:04:40.300 Yeah, Steve, I couldn't believe what I was reading.

00:04:44.520 This is stunning.

00:04:46.180 This is Charles McGonigal.

00:04:47.980 He retired in 2018.

00:04:50.740 But Kim – and I think this is almost even more disturbing – one of the courtroom reporters, who probably was a DOJ or FBI contractor,

00:05:00.480 and that's Sergei Shestakhan, was also arrested.

00:05:07.400 So there was two of them, and they were working together.

00:05:09.920 So he's – Charles is retired, and he's under the pay of one of these Russian oligarchs.

00:05:16.320 So essentially, this collapses everything, Russia, Russia, Russia.

00:05:22.440 This is stunning.

00:05:23.740 I mean, I don't – I can't believe this.

00:05:26.080 This is – everybody was shouting, Russia, Russia, Russia.

00:05:30.160 We have an FBI insider, a senior who was in on it, retires in 2018, and goes on the payroll of one of these Russian oligarchs that everybody was pointing to and shouting out about Donald J. Trump.

00:05:44.440 So this goes back – well, how long was he working for them?

00:05:47.720 This essentially taints everything the FBI has done on Russia, Russia, Russia, and I've looked up.

00:05:54.960 I mean, I just couldn't believe my eyes.

00:05:56.260 I looked up.

00:05:56.800 I wanted to make sure the DOJ has actually formally made their press release, and I think I just sent it to you.

00:06:04.100 Four hours ago, DOJ did an official press release.

00:06:07.520 This is real.

00:06:08.560 This is a stunning turn of events.

00:06:11.180 So they're in on it.

00:06:12.580 There is a deep state.

00:06:13.640 We have people inside the FBI who are bought off, inside the Department of Justice who are bought off, and he didn't – believe me, he didn't just retire and then think about working for this Russian oligarch.

00:06:26.060 This throws everything 20 years into the past in question.

00:06:29.460 I mean, this is – Jesus James Angleton always thought there was an insider at CIA during the Cold War, and he was wrong.

00:06:35.760 There was actually three, Larry Wu-Tai Chin, who committed suicide just down the road in the Prince William County Jail after he was arrested.

00:06:44.740 He was giving everything to China.

00:06:46.820 We had Alder James at the CIA giving everything to Russia.

00:06:50.080 And then even after the two of them were found, we had Robert Hansen at the FBI continuing, who wasn't arrested until 2001.

00:06:57.300 This shows that our deep state law enforcement and intelligence is just riddled, riddled with turncoats.

00:07:05.220 So everything Russia, Russia, Russia is now – 0.81

00:07:07.600 Was this – was he high enough level being a counter – I guess a counterintelligence officer?

00:07:15.640 You've got these things in the New York office.

00:07:17.400 You've got these field offices, and clearly New York is the center of counterintelligence, probably even more than Washington, D.C.

00:07:23.760 Was he senior enough, you think, to impact this?

00:07:26.500 I know the MSNBC and the people that are the Praetorian media guard for the national security state are kind of in shock today.

00:07:35.760 They weren't expecting this.

00:07:37.120 But is this guy that senior?

00:07:38.800 They could have done some real damage?

00:07:41.380 He's senior.

00:07:42.340 And then again, I really want to point to the arrest of that court recorder.

00:07:47.720 That shows they have a senior person and a line worker who is – who's actually doing the notes, Sergei Shestikov, who probably was a DOJ or FBI contractor, might even have been a governor himself.

00:08:02.820 This is stunning.

00:08:04.440 So not just one, but two.

00:08:06.220 This shows a RICO conspiracy inside of our – what's supposed to be our senior law enforcement.

00:08:13.260 And yes, to be the counterintelligence officer for the law enforcement.

00:08:17.720 And this will lead – and this will lead to other things.

00:08:21.060 Go back.

00:08:21.960 What – has it been – describe what he actually did on the Trump-Russia collusion investigation?

00:08:28.380 I know the headquarters for our campaign, of course, Trump's company is there, and he was a New York field officer, I think, or field agent.

00:08:36.640 Do we know the specifics of what he did on the Russia collusion part?

00:08:42.520 It doesn't say yet, and I'm looking through both the report and also the DOJ announcement.

00:08:50.420 But he was head, head of the counterintelligence.

00:08:53.760 So he probably has anywhere from 20 to 50 direct reports working for him in addition to running sources and being an FBI source as an official status.

00:09:07.020 So this guy probably has several dozen people working for him.

00:09:11.040 And, yeah, in 2015 – it was early 2016 where I realized something was up because all of a sudden inside at the top secret meetings, all of a sudden this teehee, teehee, the Russians – it was always the Russians. 0.99

00:09:25.600 For some reason, the Chinese were far more capable. 1.00

00:09:28.080 It was always the Russians are now spying on the campaigns, and then all of a sudden they're very interested in Donald J. Trump.

00:09:35.340 Well, how much of this was created by this senior special agent for the FBI?

00:09:42.700 The head of counterintelligence up there.

00:09:44.860 Real quickly, your – since you spent essentially a career in intelligence, give us your assessment of the Biden crime scene,

00:09:54.300 the top secret compartment at a crime scene that you've been seeing going on.

00:10:00.900 Well, this is a train wreck on top of a train wreck on top of a train wreck.

00:10:04.980 I mean, it doesn't get any better than this if they tried.

00:10:08.540 So now we're hearing that Merrick Garland, who originally I was giving a semi-kudos to for actually launching the special counsel,

00:10:20.100 but maybe he was pulling a George Gascon and just wanted to smother the story because it turns out that the FBI was at –

00:10:27.400 was actually – they want – they didn't want to disrupt anything.

00:10:31.480 They didn't want to unsettle the American public.

00:10:33.460 This was – you know, two – Americans were too busy trying to get their vaccine shot, so they couldn't – this would trigger them.

00:10:41.660 So even before the midterm election, we have the attorney general essentially negotiating with the White House.

00:10:49.540 You don't negotiate on a crime like this, and we're just having – this is called a spill, spill after spill after spill with Biden,

00:11:01.520 and it appears that Merrick Garland was actually aware of it, and they were behind the scenes negotiating even before the election.

00:11:09.940 This is a full-blown conspiracy on the top-secret documents.

00:11:16.380 There is no moral equivalency because they're saying, oh, this is no different than – or this is far different than Trump.

00:11:25.980 Yeah, it is far different.

00:11:27.020 It's far worse.

00:11:29.520 Yeah.

00:11:30.220 John, how do people get to the book, and then how do they get to all your writings?

00:11:33.540 How do they get to your – what are your coordinates on social media?

00:11:37.240 Yeah, thank you.

00:11:38.340 It's Colonel Rhett John on Getter, Colonel Rhett John on Getter, also on Truth.

00:11:43.860 And then the book, The Nation Will Follow is on thenationwillfollow.com, thenationwillfollow.com.

00:11:51.960 A very disturbing book about an insider's perspective on what's happened to this country.

00:11:57.360 John – Colonel John Mills, thank you very much, sir.

00:11:59.580 Appreciate it.

00:12:00.900 Thank you, Steve.

00:12:01.720 Rebecca Koffler.

00:12:04.860 First, I want to ask you, you were – John was Army, Intel, and in DIA.

00:12:10.800 You were DIA, Defense Intelligence.

00:12:14.580 Give me your assessment today of the importance and magnitude of this arrest of the FBI counterintelligence officer today in New York.

00:12:22.740 Well, this is effectively a smoking gun, Steve, that the real collusion hoax was concocted by the U.S. spy agencies, right?

00:12:35.440 It's not just the FBI and Jim Comey and his minions, but it's also former DNI, James Clapper, and former CIA director, John Brennan.

00:12:50.220 So, we called it back to the CIA, a self-licking ice cream cone.

00:12:56.840 What it seems like was happening was FBI was hiring Russian intelligence agents to write reports to them that they were putting in the intelligence stream.

00:13:10.520 So, this whole Russia conclusion is a hoax, and these people are treasonous because they wanted to remove a democratically elected president, Donald Trump, from power.

00:13:26.160 But the significance of this, Steve, is this, for the current conflict, and we are steadily sleepwalking into nuclear Armageddon with Russia. 0.87

00:13:36.780 And what happened was they misdirected tremendous resources on chasing the non-existent collusion instead of really following and providing indications and warnings about what the real Russian threat was.

00:13:56.300 So, the real threat and Putin's perception that NATO was going into war with Russia, which right now is actually backed up by the force posture and all the weaponry that we're sending to Ukraine.

00:14:15.280 This is how Putin is interpreting it, and he's preparing for an all-out war, and he's changing, you know, from the special military operations into a large-scale war, which the Russians predicted back 10 years ago.

00:14:34.520 So, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, slow down.

00:14:41.120 Let me go, first off, on the FBI side, I want to go back to that for a second.

00:14:46.300 Explain to the audience who the oligarch, because oligarchs, because we're going to get into a second, all of a sudden Ukraine, Zelensky's got old-time religion.

00:14:54.080 And so, let me connect some dots there.

00:14:56.640 The minister of interior, which is the guy that oversees the police and oversees all that, he mysteriously dies in an accidental helicopter crash into a, what, a school the other day.

00:15:08.460 Then Zelensky comes out, he's got old-time religion that corruption is now his number one priority, right?

00:15:13.900 Zero tolerance.

00:15:14.860 And he's got guys, his cabinet members tell the day we're going to start doing arrests of oligarchs.

00:15:19.300 I mean, this is all of a sudden, all of a sudden, that this is his number one priority.

00:15:24.260 So, the oligarchs on the Ukrainian side, and this is all because MAGA, we've made such a big deal of no more money to Ukraine, and any money that will ever be going has got to have an audit.

00:15:34.560 And, of course, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene and others are hammering every day about the audits, the audits.

00:15:40.380 So, all of a sudden, they've got religion, like, corruption's our number one priority. 0.97

00:15:43.940 But I want to talk about oligarchs on the other side.

00:15:45.820 Describe to our audience who this oligarch is that supposedly was paying this counterintelligence agent, and how does he fit into this narrative about Trump?

00:15:56.600 Well, basically, what is happening, the FBI is hiring these oligarchs, right, as sources, so that they can debrief them and create reports, intelligence reports, such as the Faith Steele dossier, right?

00:16:20.040 So, this is what this person was, and effectively, he was on the payroll, but also, it seems like the FBI was completely penetrated, as your previous guest, the colonel, noted.

00:16:36.500 So, it is riddled with spies.

00:16:40.100 So, it's basically conspiracy on top of a conspiracy on top of a conspiracy.

00:16:45.460 And so, this is what the American—

00:16:47.560 Are you saying, Derspinka, you're saying the Russian oligarch was actually in a working arrangement with the FBI to give him information?

00:16:56.160 That's what my intelligence analysis is telling me.

00:17:01.160 It's a similar thing that we had with Igor Derspinka.

00:17:05.120 Remember, Derspinka was on the payroll of the FBI, and our own U.S. citizen, Carter Page, as you remember, who actually himself was risking his life collecting intelligence to help the CIA.

00:17:21.500 So, he was put under surveillance, and he was doing all this work for free, while the Russian spy, who was connected to Russian intelligence, Igor Derspinka, was paid by the FBI.

00:17:35.300 You can't make this stuff up.

00:17:36.960 So, we have an analogous situation in this case.

00:17:40.860 Okay, let's go back to—how serious, by the way, given the level of seniority of the counterintelligence officer, how serious is this?

00:17:51.480 You believe this is the tip of something that shows that the FBI has been penetrated, particularly the Russian aspect of this, ma'am?

00:18:00.140 I do.

00:18:01.020 It's because the Russians have never really stopped their intelligence penetration of our efforts— 0.50

00:18:10.860 of our spy agencies, right?

00:18:12.900 Remember, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, everybody thought, oh, you know, we're all friends now.

00:18:19.640 Let's all sing Kumbaya.

00:18:21.600 And former U.S. President George Bush looked into Putin's eyes, by the way, when Condoleezza Rice was—he just penned an op-ed in the Washington Post, you know, with her infinite wisdom, right?

00:18:34.720 She was his advisor.

00:18:37.500 Bush saw some soul in Putin.

00:18:41.100 But at the same time, Putin sent 10 sleeper agents back in 2000 into the United States, and the FBI uncovered and had to pull the trigger, right, in 2010.

00:18:57.540 And stupidly, those people were sent back to Moscow instead of flipping them, right?

00:19:03.900 So the Russians never stopped their efforts to penetrate our spy agencies. 0.98

00:19:09.600 But it's not just the Russians.

00:19:12.120 Chinese as well, just like the colonel said. 0.97

00:19:15.660 And so very conveniently, these types of people are creating—meaning the Russian oligarchs, whom we're using as stupidly, as sources, right? 0.97

00:19:29.920 They are creating all of these anti-Trump, anti-U.S. president. 0.95

00:19:35.280 And it's not just—the Russians are agnostic, okay?

00:19:38.420 They view every U.S. president as a threat to Russia, right?

00:19:44.360 So they try to create—to foment discord.

00:19:49.320 They are targeting both sides, Republicans and Democrats.

00:19:52.500 But unfortunately, it's only Republicans, and especially the MAGA people, who understand the intricacies of what the Russians and the Ukrainians, in this case, are doing. 0.97

00:20:06.000 And they both are corrupt, by the way.

00:20:08.000 And so—but the Democrats, the liberals are drinking Kool-Aid, and they are, you know, decreasing the security of our own country by keeping, you know, the steady flow of this super superior weaponry into Ukraine and depleting our own weapons stockpile right now. 0.86

00:20:31.200 Okay, let's go back.

00:20:35.040 You've been arguing this for a while, and what you have been telling our audience is coming true.

00:20:41.500 I want to define the difference between a special military operation and large-scale war.

00:20:47.160 Because if you don't watch The War Room or Tucker Carlson, which I don't think the only two that really nail it, if you watch particularly MSNBC and CNN or read The New York Times and Washington Post, Putin's been losing.

00:21:01.380 You know, every two weeks he's supposed to be losing.

00:21:03.800 It's over.

00:21:04.480 It's a coup.

00:21:05.300 He's gone, et cetera.

00:21:06.620 And yet it looks like he's consolidated his—the tactical part of it in eastern Ukraine, right, and has him in Pleasant.

00:21:15.920 And I'm not saying it's justified or not, but it is what it is, and he obviously has control over Crimea.

00:21:22.040 What is this pivot that you've been calling for when you said that you don't understand Putin's mind?

00:21:26.720 He's going to pivot at one time to large-scale—a large-scale warfare.

00:21:32.080 What was the special military operation, and why do you see this change?

00:21:37.300 What's the evidence that you see that this transition is happening to what they're concerned about, this winter offensive that everybody believes is going to start here in the next couple of weeks, probably close to the first-year anniversary, that is going to shift now to large-scale warfare?

00:21:52.640 Exactly.

00:21:53.120 So the difference in the Russian doctrine between the special military operation and the large-scale war is this.

00:21:59.660 The operation that Putin launched on February 24th of last year had limited goal, okay?

00:22:08.080 He originally planned to establish control over Ukraine, remove Zelensky from power, but not actually own Ukraine as a country.

00:22:22.720 He didn't plan on occupying the entire Ukraine.

00:22:27.140 He simply wanted to install, you know, a pro-Russian puppet government whom he could control, okay?

00:22:36.820 He failed in achieving that goal, and so he scaled down his objectives.

00:22:43.360 He then proceeded to chop off 20% of Ukraine, annexed Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson, which are strategic areas, right, plus Crimea.

00:22:59.000 And he would be pleased if the West recognized that part as Russian, that the Russians believe the majority of Russians belong to Russia, that view it in Russia as Russian, especially Crimea, that for centuries belonged to Russia, okay?

00:23:19.920 So then we, the United States and NATO, we have expanded the scope and scale of the weaponry we are providing to Ukraine, what originated as, you know, blankets and night and vision goggles right now is effectively strategic type of military hardware, right?

00:23:41.900 We're talking Bradleys, which are tank killers, we're talking Patriot missiles.

00:23:50.200 So what Putin is seeing right now is what the Russian general staff predicted about a decade ago, and we knew it in the intelligence community.

00:24:00.580 And I personally briefed scores and scores of four stars, the combatant commands, including European command, strategic command, that's the one that's in charge of our nuclear weapons and systems, northern command, which is in charge of protecting the United States and Canada.

00:24:19.060 So I briefed NATO in the run-up to Putin's invasion of Crimea in September 2013.

00:24:25.860 Nobody wanted to do anything about it.

00:24:28.260 They saw it as Putin's bravado, but also they just didn't, you know, it's very easy to just react to everything instead of practically develop a deterrence strategy.

00:24:41.280 And so what Putin is now, he is confirming, it's bias confirmation, right?

00:24:49.300 In the intelligence business, we have something that's called confirmation bias, right?

00:24:53.660 So the general staff predicted that the war was inevitable between the United States and NATO on one side and Russia on the other side.

00:25:03.740 Why?

00:25:04.680 It's because we are fighting over control over the same territory.

00:25:09.560 Ukraine is part of Russia's strategic security perimeter on which it relied for centuries for its security, right?

00:25:17.680 So imagine if the Russians moved into Mexico.

00:25:21.780 So that's how Putin views it, not just Putin, the entire Moscow regime and security apparatus.

00:25:30.040 And so this is why he is doing the following things.

00:25:34.880 First, he has announced that between 2023 and 2026, he is going to beef up Russian armed forces to 1.5 million.

00:25:48.140 So they have already mobilized 315,000 in addition to the armed forces that are fighting in Ukraine, right?

00:25:56.200 And so he also authorized an additional half a million.

00:26:00.700 So these are the numbers that we are talking about.

00:26:03.860 Number two, you asked about all the evidence.

00:26:07.060 He just appointed Valery Gerasimov, who is the chief of Russian general staff.

00:26:12.360 He's Mark Milley's counterpart, right?

00:26:16.700 And so imagine if we appointed Milley to conduct, to be in charge of the operations in the theater, right?

00:26:24.640 Why is this significant?

00:26:25.880 It's significant because—

00:26:27.880 Rebecca, hang on one second.

00:26:30.260 We're going to take a short commercial break.

00:26:32.020 We're going to return with Rebecca Koffler.

00:26:33.700 We're going through the expanded—Ukraine is about to become not just a front-page story, a leading story, as large-scale warfare is about to break out.

00:26:44.920 Large-scale warfare—forget World War I. 0.82

00:26:47.580 Large-scale warfare has not been seen on the European continent since the Second World War.

00:26:52.120 And this is going to take place near Stalingrad curse, places that know what war is. 0.76

00:26:57.840 All next in the war room.

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00:31:07.520 I just want to, Rebecca Koffler is our guest, almost like a contributor.

00:31:16.480 She's been so dead spot on and so on so often.

00:31:19.400 Rebecca, before you can, you're giving the evidence.

00:31:21.200 I want to hear some more evidence, but I just want to alert our audience or give them a heads up that when you talk about the situation in NATO,

00:31:30.540 for the people that founded NATO and for the generals that fought, and I'm talking about Patton, Sir Bernard, Law Montgomery,

00:31:44.540 the other generals that fought for the British and for the Americans.

00:31:50.140 And as crazy as Winston Churchill was sometimes obsessed with the Balkans and the soft underbelly of Europe,

00:32:05.100 given the British experience in the Crimean War, right, Sevastopol, given that Yalta, the conference that, quite frankly,

00:32:14.720 we got double dealt by, you know, essentially forces in Roosevelt's White House not to take Berlin.

00:32:22.480 If you had told any of the generals, Rebecca, that fought on the continent of Europe in World War II,

00:32:28.760 and I'm talking about the top generals and the people that were there for the founding of NATO,

00:32:33.280 and if you had told them that we were going to be in, what, 60, 70 years, 80 years,

00:32:41.340 pushing to have Ukraine near Stalingrad and Kursk, we were going to have Ukraine as a member of NATO,

00:32:49.320 and we were about to go in and fight a proxy war that would lead to a large-scale war with the United States in Ukraine, 0.88

00:32:58.000 they would have said, are you nuts?

00:32:59.900 I mean, there was never any—this is why the Russian people and the Chinese people, 1.00

00:33:04.980 but the Russian people, not their leaders, but the Russian people were the great ally of the West and the Americans

00:33:11.100 because they took the brunt of the Wehrmacht in Operation Barbarossa,

00:33:18.360 and so much of that slaughter happened in the Ukraine.

00:33:21.180 It is inconceivable that the men who fought in World War II on the battlefield in Western Europe,

00:33:29.620 that the men who were there at the beginning of NATO—and I remember this as a naval officer

00:33:36.320 and then back in the Pentagon in the early 80s when President Reagan was there and, you know, Cap Weinberger,

00:33:43.500 he talked about the North German plane and the German—

00:33:46.180 even the concept that we would be arming Ukraine in a proxy war against the Russian military

00:33:55.260 and that we prepare—you know, they just had a quote-unquote AWOL Navy SEAL

00:33:59.360 that you would have special forces operators already in there

00:34:02.440 and to be risking an expanded large-scale war between the West and Russia in Ukraine is inconceivable.

00:34:10.780 People would go, are you not—am I wrong there, or is it just the overall set to know that—

00:34:16.880 and I'm not talking about the sovereignty of Ukraine, I'm not talking about it as a nation-state,

00:34:20.100 and, hey, the people are fighting, and if Europeans want to back them up, that's one thing,

00:34:23.360 but they're not an ally.

00:34:24.900 They're not an ally for a reason, right?

00:34:28.060 I mean, even when the Eastern Bloc fell, there was no even concept.

00:34:32.120 In fact, I think all the deals we cut specifically said we wouldn't be trying to get Ukraine.

00:34:36.340 That'd be like the Chinese Communist Party coming to Mexico and cutting a military alliance with Mexico

00:34:43.860 that you could put Chinese Communist missiles, you could put its equipment, 0.89

00:34:49.760 you could put even its troops into Mexico.

00:34:53.060 In fact, I'd say it even differently, and I know people's heads are going to blow up.

00:34:56.980 It would be like claiming the Gadsden Purchase really wasn't accurate,

00:35:01.640 and you put it in Arizona and parts into Mexico.

00:35:04.260 That'd be even worse.

00:35:05.380 Am I wrong in that?

00:35:07.320 Rebecca, you do this for a living. 1.00

00:35:08.960 Would the people that fought in World War II think that we'd ever be in Ukraine in a shooting war,

00:35:15.940 the scale that Putin is anticipating?

00:35:19.100 He's certainly going to drop on the West?

00:35:23.660 You're 1,000% correct, Steve.

00:35:26.160 These generals who fought these brutal wars, they would think it's nuts that we are right now weaponizing Ukraine

00:35:37.920 and using them effectively as cannon fodder to protect Europeans who refuse to pay for their own security.

00:35:47.780 It was very convenient to decrease the force posture during the Obama administration.

00:35:56.520 And that's why Putin developed his tactics and very special doctrine,

00:36:04.840 because he always knew that there will come a time, because he was watching what we're doing in the United States.

00:36:12.480 We're admitted the Baltics into NATO.

00:36:16.900 Okay, so what that did was it reduced the proximity between NATO forces and Moscow,

00:36:28.060 the heart of Putin's government, right?

00:36:32.360 From 1,000 miles to 100 miles, Moscow and St. Petersburg, the two largest cities.

00:36:41.340 And so that is an unacceptable proximity.

00:36:45.320 And any general would understand that, right?

00:36:47.800 We would do the same thing.

00:36:49.420 And it's because the politicians, they don't live in the real world.

00:36:54.360 The generals understand real politic.

00:36:57.640 And the politicians, they keep thinking how they're going to protect Europe

00:37:03.200 by continuing pumping up Ukraine with these strategic-level military hardware.

00:37:12.560 But nothing can be further from the truth.

00:37:15.120 It just escalates.

00:37:16.440 And besides, the argument that Putin somehow is going to invade a NATO country is completely nuts,

00:37:25.180 because if Putin has trouble prevailing conventionally, right, even in this conflict,

00:37:35.100 how in the world will he dare to invade Poland or any of these other countries,

00:37:40.480 because he knows it will trigger collective defense, Article 5, right?

00:37:47.020 And so this is the craziness that's going on.

00:37:50.100 But just to complete the thought, you asked me for evidence, right,

00:37:53.920 of why Putin is changing strategy from the special operation.

00:38:00.240 He's calling it war right now, okay?

00:38:02.940 And Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, just said just today

00:38:07.820 that the Russian-U.S. relations have changed from hybrid warfare into a real war.

00:38:16.380 And so here's the evidence one more time.

00:38:21.340 He's increasing because the large-scale war is demanding a lot more military forces, right?

00:38:30.640 Because every single war that the Russians have won, 0.85

00:38:33.240 they've won it through relentless attrition of manpower, right?

00:38:37.460 They've thrown people.

00:38:38.720 They've lost 20 million people, 25 million people in World War II.

00:38:43.360 So it's not an issue for them.

00:38:46.100 That's how they do it.

00:38:47.360 They just throw people into the meat grinder.

00:38:49.880 So number one, increasing the armed forces to 1.5 million,

00:38:54.980 augmenting naval, airspace, and nuclear forces, okay?

00:39:01.060 Nuclear forces remain on special combat alert to this day.

00:39:06.260 He appointed Gerasimov, which is the equivalent of General Milley,

00:39:12.340 our chairman of the Joint Chiefs, to command forces in Ukraine.

00:39:18.440 Who is Gerasimov?

00:39:19.800 Gerasimov was the field commander of the 58th Combined Arms Army between 1998 and 2003.

00:39:30.200 He responded to Putin's order to clean Grozny, the capital of Chechnya.

00:39:37.740 So what happened was the Russian forces just turned Grozny into rubble that prompted the United 0.97

00:39:44.760 Nations to designate Grozny as the most destroyed city in the world.

00:39:50.280 So my assessment is that Putin is preparing to Grozny-fy Ukraine, right?

00:39:57.440 Because he just simply cannot, you know, given that this is an existential threat for him,

00:40:02.500 he cannot allow Ukraine as being part of NATO.

00:40:05.100 And as long as he maintains conflict in Ukraine, Ukraine does not qualify for NATO

00:40:11.300 because there's a requirement absence of ongoing hostilities.

00:40:15.160 And so an evidence number, whatever, 304 is finally, because Putin understands that we may

00:40:24.280 react as he is demolishing Kiev and demolishing various parts of Ukraine to prevent it from

00:40:32.920 falling into our hands, finally, and securing final control and getting it into NATO.

00:40:38.580 So they're deploying right now Pantsir System 1 anti-aircraft system on rooftops across central

00:40:52.740 Moscow to include near the Kremlin, to include on top of the Russian Ministry of Defense and

00:41:01.180 near Putin's Valdai residence in Novgorod region.

00:41:05.220 Why is he doing it?

00:41:07.140 Because he's preparing for a large-scale war.

00:41:11.060 He is expecting, with this steady escalation that we are climbing with providing these weaponry,

00:41:18.720 he's expecting NATO to deploy forces potentially in retaliation of him Grozny-fying Ukraine.

00:41:30.960 So this is what's going on right now.

00:41:33.600 In your professional experience, outside of Vietnam, in Vietnam we did sign an alliance

00:41:40.780 with, but I don't think it made the formal treaty through the Senate and through the House,

00:41:45.440 but we worked at a military alliance and we had, you know, at one time I think 500,000

00:41:51.660 combat troops in Vietnam.

00:41:53.720 In Vietnam, you would have the head of the CIA and you would have the head of the Joint Chiefs

00:41:59.980 go over and brief their counterparts or the senior people in that country.

00:42:04.340 Outside of that, do you ever remember, have we ever sent the, has the United States government

00:42:10.160 ever had the head of the CIA and the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff ever go to a non-ally

00:42:15.800 and brief them?

00:42:17.720 Burns was in, was in Kiev last week and Milley was there a couple of days before him.

00:42:22.980 Has there, and General Alston obviously was there and the head of the, the head of the

00:42:28.000 Secretary of Defense before they went to this conference.

00:42:30.560 Has there any, has there ever been this type of involvement in a non-ally that you've seen

00:42:36.920 that the United States is, is in this escalation process, is engaged with direct counterparts

00:42:42.420 in Ukraine?

00:42:44.400 So I personally don't recall, right, especially in the escalation.

00:42:49.880 And that's an excellent point, Steve, is because that's just one of the things that,

00:42:55.580 one of the indications and warnings that Russians are marking, like as a checkbox, right? 0.90

00:43:01.440 The fact that these senior officials visited Kiev in the middle of ongoing hostilities,

00:43:11.180 it's yet another indicator to them that we are also preparing for a large-scale war.

00:43:18.080 Remember, the Russians don't think like Americans. 1.00

00:43:21.620 And that's what the Pentagon doesn't understand, the U.S., you know, intelligence community doesn't

00:43:26.600 understand, is that Putin is interpreting everything and his commanders within the prism of that

00:43:36.360 assessment that I just told you about, that they made about 10 years ago, that a war between

00:43:43.840 Russia and the U.S. slash NATO is inevitable. 0.72

00:43:48.300 And so every single step we take, whether it's, you know, we're providing javelins and stingers

00:43:55.840 and Patriot missiles, which is a very top-of-the-line, you know, strategic system that the Russians

00:44:06.480 perceive it as a strategic missile defense system.

00:44:10.340 And so everything, every step they're interpreting as yet another step on what they call the escalation

00:44:17.560 ladder.

00:44:17.900 And it may not mean anything to an average American or even to top brass in the Pentagon,

00:44:25.720 but to the Russians, it actually, it's like a piece of the puzzle that they are building.

00:44:34.540 And they're building this composite of what the threat looks like to them, and they are responding

00:44:40.740 to that threat.

00:44:41.740 And counterintuitively to Western analysts, the Russians believe that they're acting in

00:44:49.400 self-defense.

00:44:51.080 The fact that Putin is deploying, you know, air defense and missile defense to cover the

00:44:58.980 gaps that right now exist, that the U.S. satellites can see in Russian missile defense system, that

00:45:05.400 demonstrates that he is worried about an attack on Moscow, which, by the way, Ukrainian chief

00:45:15.880 of intelligence, Padalyak, stated a couple of weeks ago that they are going to strike deeper

00:45:23.800 and deeper into Russia.

00:45:26.320 And they have already done it, right?

00:45:28.160 Remember, they have targeted the Crimean Bridge.

00:45:31.400 I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

00:45:34.160 They've targeted strategic air bases, Angus, that where the Russians house their strategic 0.98

00:45:43.520 nuclear bombers, right?

00:45:45.160 So that is another indicator to them that we are also going to an all-out war.

00:45:51.340 And so Putin is reacting to all of this.

00:45:55.500 And so this is the nightmare that is about to unfold, you know, two nightmares.

00:46:00.860 It's unfolding as you speak.

00:46:04.060 How do people get to your book?

00:46:05.420 Because your book puts you inside the mind, puts you inside the mind of Putin.

00:46:09.580 How do they get to that and how people get to your writings?

00:46:12.820 Yeah.

00:46:13.220 So the book is Putin's playbook.

00:46:15.800 It's available anywhere on Amazon or in any bookstore.

00:46:19.860 I am on social media, Rebecca at 0132.

00:46:23.960 I am on Twitter, Getter, and on Truth Social, and I have a website, RebeccaKoffler.com.

00:46:31.380 But the book basically predicts the Ukraine conflict because, as I told you, we knew everything

00:46:39.980 about, you know, how Putin thinks, and yet we didn't do anything about it.

00:46:45.560 And instead of de-escalating, we are now escalating.

00:46:48.940 And Biden has no exit strategy at this point.

00:46:54.460 Every side is—

00:46:55.680 We'll deal with that.

00:46:56.080 We'll deal with this afterwards.

00:46:58.880 I got to jump.

00:46:59.860 Thank you, Rebecca Koffler.

00:47:00.740 Thank you so much.

00:47:01.400 Appreciate it.

00:47:02.860 Thank you, Steve.

00:47:03.960 God bless.

00:47:04.460 Let's play the cold open.

00:47:05.360 Thanks.

00:47:05.960 Let's play the cold open for Brandon.

00:47:10.580 Yeah.

00:47:11.120 Governor, on the AP African-American studies course that was rejected by the state,

00:47:15.880 there's been a lot of criticism of that move, people saying, you know, this is exactly what

00:47:20.840 we were fearing with the individual freedom bill.

00:47:23.560 I don't know if you or the commissioner could maybe expand a little bit more about what was

00:47:27.540 in that course.

00:47:28.040 So, you know, as you know, in the state of Florida, our education standards not only don't

00:47:33.700 prevent, but they require teaching black history, all the important things that's part

00:47:37.620 of our core curriculum.

00:47:38.840 This was a separate course on top of that for advanced placement credit, and the issue

00:47:44.020 is we have guidelines and standards in Florida.

00:47:47.380 We want education, not indoctrination.

00:47:49.840 If you fall on the side of indoctrination, we're going to decline.

00:47:53.180 If it's education, then we will do.

00:47:55.920 This course—so when I heard it didn't meet the standards, I figured, yeah, they may be

00:48:00.060 doing seriously.

00:48:00.740 It's way more than that.

00:48:02.040 This course on black history, what's one of the lessons about?

00:48:07.840 Queer theory. 0.71

00:48:09.700 Now, who would say that an important part of black history is queer theory? 0.97

00:48:15.460 That is somebody pushing an agenda on our kids. 0.98

00:48:18.520 And so when you look to see they have stuff about intersectionality, abolishing prisons,

00:48:24.100 that's a political agenda.

00:48:26.160 And so we're on—that's the wrong side of the line for Florida standards.

00:48:30.180 We believe in teaching kids facts and how to think, but we don't believe they should

00:48:35.580 have an agenda imposed on them.

00:48:37.840 When you try to use black history to shoehorn in queer theory, you are clearly trying to 0.97

00:48:44.380 use that for political purposes.

00:48:48.480 Brandon Sherwater, you've warned us about this.

00:48:51.260 Brandon Sherwater from the Christian Post, that this is what's going to incorporate and

00:48:54.720 inform everything.

00:48:56.060 You also have an update on the movie Dead Name.

00:48:58.580 We've got a couple of minutes.

00:48:59.280 Walk us through.

00:49:00.000 Is Ron DeSantis right?

00:49:02.320 Is he on to something there, sir?

00:49:05.220 I think he's correct.

00:49:06.680 And I think it's because of the larger theory.

00:49:10.280 That is, queer theory goes hand in hand with transgender activism because it is—it's a

00:49:16.380 deconstruction of the sexual binary.

00:49:19.640 That's the lie at the root of all of this.

00:49:21.480 But it doesn't surprise me to hear that even with such important things as black history, 0.96

00:49:26.720 that the shapers of today, the people, the powers that be within our education system

00:49:31.880 who are shaping the minds of the next generation are using this queer theory to subvert other 0.98

00:49:37.680 things because that is the be-all end-all for them.

00:49:39.940 That is at the root of all of these other changes that we're seeing, and it was showcased very

00:49:45.000 poignantly in the dead-name film that you mentioned.

00:49:48.460 Queer theory is the be-all end-all. 1.00

00:49:49.820 It percolates just about everywhere.

00:49:52.080 They insert this into children's programming, into books, into school curriculum, as Governor

00:49:56.860 DeSantis was just saying.

00:49:57.940 It's truly toxic stuff.

00:50:00.940 It's—a friend of mine calls it gender pseudoscience.

00:50:04.080 This stuff is everywhere, and we must keep a watchful eye on it because it's really destroying

00:50:09.340 lives.

00:50:09.580 We have to keep a watchful—we have to keep a watchful eye, and the audience was raving

00:50:14.540 about Dead Name.

00:50:15.340 We got about 90 seconds.

00:50:17.120 What happened to—what happened to the movie?

00:50:19.060 Where is it?

00:50:21.220 Well, deadnamedocumentary.com is its new home.

00:50:25.700 Vimeo, just this morning, took it down.

00:50:28.880 Poof, just—we don't—I mean, we're still trying to get answers.

00:50:33.320 The filmmaker with Brokenhearted Films, which you played the trailer and you're playing

00:50:37.540 it now, were three families ripped apart by this queer theory, transgender ideology, 0.99

00:50:44.340 and that's really—those two things are intricately related, but we don't know.

00:50:48.300 It's the censorship of, you know, not only will queer theorists and transgender activists

00:50:51.880 try to shoehorn, you know, black history, you know, use that as a cover to further queer 0.99

00:50:57.020 theory.

00:50:57.880 They have—clearly have allies at Vimeo and other media streaming platforms that will

00:51:03.120 censor any opposing view or anything else that tries to show a dissent or objection or

00:51:09.920 a critical, in this case, intimate portrait glimpse of what it's really like for families.

00:51:15.060 So they are censorious, but they don't get their way, and they'll use other things to

00:51:18.680 further their other ideological goals.

00:51:22.060 We got about 20 seconds.

00:51:23.900 How do people go get the film today?

00:51:25.560 Dead film—Deadname's still back up.

00:51:27.340 Where do people go?

00:51:28.680 It's getting back up.

00:51:30.320 They can go watch the trailer and see—keep checking this website, deadnamedocumentary.com.

00:51:35.920 That's its new home.

00:51:39.480 Brandon, fantastic reportage.

00:51:41.800 We're going to have you back on in a couple days, make sure everybody gets to see this film.

00:51:44.560 We're not going to allow these streaming services just to rip it down so people are going to

00:51:47.620 get it.

00:51:48.400 Brandon from the Christian Post.

00:51:50.220 Brandon Shorewater, thank you so much, and thank you for staying on top of this story.

00:51:53.920 Back here tomorrow morning, 10 a.m. Eastern Standard Time.

00:51:56.940 We're going to be on fire.

00:51:59.500 That, I can commit to you.

00:52:00.680 See you then.

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Bannon's War Room - January 24, 2023

WarRoom Battleground EP 218： Where Is The Money Going When Sent To Ukraine

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