Bannon's War Room - February 10, 2023


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In this episode of the War Room, we have a very special hour ahead of us with a visit from a man who has been a long time friend of mine, a man with a lot of wisdom and a lot to say. His name is Vranijan Ramaswamy, and he is a man of many talents. He is a political philosopher, an intellectual, a writer, a humanist, a philosopher, a thinker, a poet, a nationalist, a student of history, and an admirer of the arts. He has been with me for many years, and I have always been fascinated by his wisdom, and in this hour he joins me to talk about his views on the current events in the world, including the current situation in Ukraine, and the situation in Europe.

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00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
00:00:17.600 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the authoritarians
00:00:25.360 get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just like in georgia
00:00:31.120 it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations
00:00:36.160 that's why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the fight
00:00:40.480 all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your host
00:00:47.200 stephen k bannon okay it's thursday 9 february year of alert 2023 we've got a very special hour ahead
00:00:56.080 of us uh vivic ramaswamy is going to join us an incredibly powerful talk in that we're going to
00:01:01.120 get into all that but i've given the hour uh i had so much to go through this morning i wanted to get
00:01:06.320 back on one of the evening shows was uh ben harnwell ben just in summary um that the jets mean a whole
00:01:13.920 different type of warfare and you left the morning show by talking about hey you don't think they're
00:01:19.040 going to be around in six months etc but is that the thinking in europe is that what you're coming
00:01:24.720 up with because they're dug in now and they're saying hey we can hold them off in eastern ukraine
00:01:30.000 and we're going to pivot to go liberate crimea all we need is fighter aircraft what's your assessment
00:01:35.760 um well to riff off what i said earlier on in the morning show steve it's that the um the western
00:01:45.040 governments have so hyped the moral necessity to give ukraine every aid conceivable in its war
00:01:53.120 to defend itself against russia it's not very difficult because they did it on the base the basis of 0.95
00:01:59.040 of moral necessity they never explained as you said tirelessly and repeatedly they never made the
00:02:04.720 case in in um in no capital in the west did did the government go and explain to its people
00:02:12.400 the necessity to that country of why its interests were at stake here it was just presented as as a moral
00:02:19.440 a morally necessary um maneuver um almost as if we almost as if we were compelled to to go
00:02:28.880 to the defense of a fellow nato country i mean that was the the level of the imperative here so how
00:02:36.160 how when the war is you know the war was basically said for a whole year that it's going to be very
00:02:41.520 difficult and impossible for for ukraine to win this so given that reality given the fact that that the
00:02:50.080 economic snap starting to to bite and peoples are starting to to show their their dissatisfaction
00:02:58.800 in the opinion process and to show this very clearly how do the governments right having
00:03:03.920 hyped up a situation uh to this extent talk themselves off the ledge how do they get back
00:03:09.760 into the window um back into the the building and and talk like reasonable adults that's very difficult
00:03:17.360 for them so one of the ways i would suggest that they're going to try to do this and is respond to
00:03:22.800 to realities on the ground uh which is why i think considering that that president macron has said this
00:03:30.160 explicitly and and um and biden and he's more or less sort of semi-senile uh mode has said out of both
00:03:41.040 sides of his mouth that they won't use nuclear uh weapons if if russia does so on ukraine um which is
00:03:52.880 really i mean that's that of the two of ways this war ends one of them is in nuclear armageddon and the
00:04:00.880 other is that the war will peter out because one of the two sides can't afford it anymore one of one of
00:04:07.280 both sides can't afford it anymore and therefore they need to at some point go to the negotiating
00:04:13.280 table if it is the latter which is the negotiating table and not nuclear armageddon then given the
00:04:21.360 hype that the western governments have put into this they need they really need to say well you know
00:04:25.840 this is the situation the reality is that uh following the hype the hype the polling you talk
00:04:32.320 yeah but the polling the polling you talked about this morning shows you the reality the reality is
00:04:36.640 that people now understand the sacrifice they have to make for this the polling the the polling in
00:04:42.240 germany is shocking only 45 of the people would come to the defense of a nato ally forget a non-nato
00:04:50.000 ally like ukraine but a nato ally this is what i keep saying about the nato treaty you don't really
00:04:54.720 have the buy-in of the people this is why they continue to say hey we can't get to two percent of
00:04:58.880 gdp i've i've sat in a room with these guys said we can't do that our populations would would throw
00:05:03.920 us out of office and i go well this is the point it's not really an alliance it's a protectorate
00:05:08.160 and the american people and this is why this resolution that gates is putting forward now
00:05:12.960 to take funding of this down to zero the conscripts the reason i'm putting this conscripts up
00:05:17.920 there was a uh there was a poll put up in the guardian two weeks ago three weeks ago showed that i don't
00:05:22.960 know the the biggest number in history of german young men are becoming uh conscientious objectors
00:05:29.360 they don't want to volunteer for the military so that's why they've got to go to they got to go to
00:05:33.040 basically the british royal navy's press gangs shortly to get people to sign up to this
00:05:39.520 but i want to go to georgia maloney because for a lot of people she has been quite a disappointment in
00:05:44.400 the fact that she's bought in so heavily into the uh into the uh into the the french german the
00:05:50.320 franco-german uh defense pact here she was so they went to the city of london they went and saw the
00:05:57.440 king he went to ricky soon then he went to bros then they go to a private dinner with macron and then
00:06:02.480 they dropped the bomb that that schultz flew over him joining for dinner they elbowed her out why is 1.00
00:06:09.120 georgia maloney who's really bought into this better than anybody why is she the odd man out here why is
00:06:13.920 italy the odd man out steve can i answer that question but can i um can i just respond
00:06:20.160 if i may because you were talking about the german situation these things that the the political
00:06:25.840 reality on the ground is fundamental uh here to what how this war finishes right that the political
00:06:32.400 reality on the ground in the western states that are supporting ukraine that's where this war is going
00:06:37.840 to be won or lost it's not on the battlefield um in ukraine right here's another poll having
00:06:44.160 mentioned that the german poll earlier right here's another poll this is from gallop this was out today
00:06:48.400 steve um 50 percent of americans have told gallop that they're financially worse off and now than
00:06:57.440 they were uh 12 months ago last year this is so this is in the united states and the economic realities
00:07:04.480 are starting to kick in and when economic realities kick in political realities won't be that far behind
00:07:10.960 and therefore military realities um will follow sooner or later after the political realities
00:07:16.880 um that you know both the german situation and the the american domestic situation are um are
00:07:24.800 broadly what's happening here in italy as well to come out to georgia maloney and there's been
00:07:30.640 criticism as we did suggest um yesterday uh here in italy over the lack of a visit by
00:07:40.960 um by the the the the the globalist pop star to to rome he didn't come um and there was criticism
00:07:48.720 uh of that uh because it obviously illustrates a certain lack of importance for
00:07:56.080 uh did we just uh did we just he just froze okay um we're going to get back to ben uh here in a
00:08:07.920 moment let's go ahead and play by the way so here's the update is that uh maloney who has bought into
00:08:13.440 this entire you know situation in ukraine and you know against her kind of more populist uh nationalist
00:08:20.320 uh tendencies and what she really came to power about has really bought into the entire 1.00
00:08:24.960 uh eu nato um okay ben's back uh so i understand why he might not want to go uh ben hornwell particularly
00:08:34.080 since the the first cancellation he's had was the cancellation of this music festival which is kind
00:08:39.440 of a humiliation they didn't want to have his video played and that was in your face but i don't
00:08:45.120 understand why she's not invited to paris with macron and the germans unless she should get the message
00:08:50.800 that hey this really is a franco-german the nato is a franco-german deal and so is the eu is a
00:08:56.480 franco-german deal a ben hornwell you know because and that's a good point um um i would add to that
00:09:05.680 and now sort of this is sort of speculation territory given what we spoke about yesterday about the seymour
00:09:13.120 hirsch thesis that uh it was the americans who or or let's be specific the the byron regime that
00:09:21.760 bombed the nordstrom pipelines and given the fact that georgia maloney has given every indication 1.00
00:09:30.480 possible of wanting to to walk in lock lockstep with the um the the us military industrial complex
00:09:38.480 let's let's not forget this thing was organized very very recently and the the zelensky visit and
00:09:46.240 it's possible right i'm speculating possible that the german that the olaf schultz didn't want her
00:09:53.200 there he might have thought she was in on this this plot because it is let's not forget this was an
00:09:58.320 act of you know let's not exaggerate but let's not underestimate this was an unprovoked um act of
00:10:06.240 warfare by the united states on what is germ germany's um vital national security interest that
00:10:13.600 is that it's access to to energy um and america did that blocked blew those pipes up exactly um because
00:10:22.240 it didn't want germany drifting off into the russian sphere of influence right so it's possible by the
00:10:28.800 way the poll the underlying the underlying polling would show you that jake sullivan this guy's
00:10:33.280 understood that back in december 2021 if you take the polling head of germany today they know that
00:10:39.600 there's very little support or it's on the margin support for nato and that's before anybody has to
00:10:45.040 really pay the price for it i just want to make sure the seymour hirsch piece has not been that has not
00:10:51.520 been independently verified although um mike lee in the senate said hey he's asked a bunch of senate
00:10:58.240 colleagues has been been briefed and of course because of the fact they use navy divers and not
00:11:03.200 didn't use uh special warfare you did need a gang of eight briefing beforehand so that's still very
00:11:09.760 controversial but i agree with you ben i i gotta we gotta bounce but you're you're reporting on this
00:11:14.720 your analysis of this has been incredible and uh people should know now that the gates now that the
00:11:19.760 gates um resolution is up this is going to get a lot more heated because there's a lot of people here
00:11:24.400 in the country just like there are a lot of people in germany saying what are we doing here
00:11:28.480 right is this helping the ukrainian people i mean is your assessment right now of the ukrainian people
00:11:34.240 are you still with mersheimer this is a great power struggle and they're being led into the charnel
00:11:38.400 house as mersheimer university of chicago said they're being led down the primrose path to their
00:11:44.160 destruction sir that that guy needs to get some kind of nobel prize for his foresight because he was on to
00:11:52.160 this in 2014 every single word that he said has been has come to pass uh and he you know to show you
00:11:59.520 how morally corrupt the the the globalist um policy uh uh infrastructure is they've given him no credit
00:12:08.480 for him for being right all they've done now is is moved on on a dime to to criticizing and accusing
00:12:16.400 of being putin's of being putin's stooge of putin asset um and all this guy had ever did was say if we
00:12:22.480 do this russia will respond like that yes enough to answer your question i'm a hundred percent behind
00:12:28.400 john shimer's uh thesis that ukraine was walked down the primrose path in um uh um it with its um with its uh
00:12:40.880 uh uh um declared intention to to join nato and the european union what has changed and i indicated this
00:12:52.720 yesterday on the show uh is the reason for that because i i'd always assumed that this war was
00:13:00.160 engineered by nato to seek a post-cold war relevance and because nato is obviously a product of the cold
00:13:08.800 war when the cold war isn't around anymore two decades three decades on what is the purpose of
00:13:14.000 nato so i thought it's the behind the scenes it had manufactured this war in order to to have new
00:13:20.880 relevance and of course it does have new relevance and let's not let's not deny that that it that it
00:13:25.760 didn't have this time uh 12 months ago but merging the mere shimer thesis that this war was manufactured
00:13:33.920 with the seymour hirsch thesis and looking at the dates that are there in that article um i would
00:13:41.680 speculate that uh that this war was engineered not to give nato a new purpose but simply because russia
00:13:49.440 because the united states wanted to take out those gas pipelines to germany um two reasons it didn't want
00:13:57.760 uh germany to be uh under the under too much under russian influence because it was a very vulnerable
00:14:05.360 position being dependent on russian energy and the second reason is that i think it fancied itself as
00:14:10.240 being an energy provider to continental europe and both of those things have have now come to pass you
00:14:17.600 quite correctly said that this is a thesis it's been unverified um seymour hirsch's article but if i might
00:14:26.160 close with this those that with this um recollection and those with longer memories remember this i think
00:14:33.600 it was the obama white house regime that was caught wiretapping um angela merkel's chancellery uh
00:14:42.240 the espionage level so it's not beyond americans you know no i bow to no one for my love of the united
00:14:51.040 states however its military industrial complex is not it's not synonymous with the united states as a
00:14:57.680 people and as a culture and i think it's it's reasonable to criticize uh what what what the cia
00:15:03.840 does around the world without any um disrespect to the american people i hope i can tread that line and
00:15:10.080 make it clear why i'm coming from there and it is clear that that that the americans were spying on
00:15:16.720 on on on germany and under obama so i don't think it's beyond a nato ally by the way um so i don't
00:15:24.240 think it's beyond the the realms of possibility that the united states took out these these gas pipelines
00:15:31.440 because it certainly wasn't russia um how do people get to uh war room rome how they get to your content
00:15:40.080 thank you so much yep uh i'm exclusively on getter as my preferred platform simply because the
00:15:46.080 the quality of the social engagement and interaction is is unmatched on any other platform and and if you
00:15:53.280 just uh folks simply want to go to my surname harnwell and they're at harnwell on getter and i'll be
00:15:59.520 pushing out um of this and i put out a great story earlier on steve i just could give a quick mention of
00:16:05.120 it to do with the fbi that weaponized data uh collection privacy smashing uh armor of of the federal
00:16:15.760 government they've um astonishingly had uh produced a memo less than a month ago uh where they basically
00:16:24.000 accused tradition rather what they call a term i'm unfamiliar with but uh radicalized traditionalist
00:16:30.640 catholics as being a security concern for the state uh so folks want to to read more about that uh go to
00:16:38.960 my getter feed at harnwell uh on getter at harnwell this is my son that was my that that's my that's my
00:16:45.920 hometown uh that the fbi field office in and that is the uh i am sure about the little church that my
00:16:53.440 parents uh started with some benedictine monks that's say the latin mass when the vatican allowed
00:16:58.880 it back i think in the late 70s early 80s so no that's uh that's very close to home and i'm sure it's
00:17:03.680 not totally unrelated that that's steve bannon that was the parish that he grew up in so uh thank
00:17:09.600 you we're gonna have a lot more than that in the days to come ben harnwell thank you so much
00:17:13.280 appreciate you coming on thanks steve god bless okay uh i'm gonna play a cold open it's gonna take
00:17:20.400 a couple months pretty extraordinary i want everybody to see this start to finish and then
00:17:24.080 i'm gonna bring in the uh speaker next we have undermined america's greatest geopolitical asset
00:17:30.880 of all and that is not our nuclear arsenal it is our moral standing on the global stage
00:17:38.560 that's how you get disney who two years ago will say can't shoot a film in the state of georgia if
00:17:43.040 georgia passes an anti-abortion statute that says it cannot abide a new law in florida that prevents
00:17:48.000 public school teachers from teaching six-year-olds about transgenderism and gender identity but will
00:17:52.480 go in the same period to film mulan in the shanjang province of china literally ground zero of the 0.66
00:17:58.080 uyghur human rights crisis where there are over one million religious minorities enslaved in
00:18:03.440 concentration camps subject to forced sterilization communist indoctrination and worse without saying
00:18:10.400 a peep until the very end of the movie you could still see it in the credits today where they say we
00:18:15.760 thank the local authorities for allowing us the privilege of filming here reminds me of those trees in
00:18:21.760 harlem that was what disney got out of that trade but it turns out every other company is doing the
00:18:28.400 same thing nike blackrock airbnb jp morgan chase the nba why do they do it the answer is actually really
00:18:37.200 simple it comes down to money because if you're the ccp you build a great chinese wall that prevents you 1.00
00:18:45.280 from entering the chinese market if you criticize the ccp but if you criticize the united states or
00:18:52.080 hamstring its economy with those emissions caps we will roll out the red carpet and so companies do
00:18:57.440 what companies do that is why tim cook and larry fink are xi jinping's circus monkeys he will say jump
00:19:06.720 they will say how high because it comes down to their bottom line it is the direct product of a
00:19:13.520 bipartisan consensus in this country back in the 1990s conviction in the faith of democratic capitalism
00:19:22.400 the idea that somehow we could use capitalism as a vehicle to spread democracy to places like china
00:19:28.800 the idea that we could export big macs and happy meals and somehow that was going to spread freedom
00:19:34.960 well what they realized is they could turn that game on its head
00:19:38.560 we thought we could use our money to get them to be more like us
00:19:40.960 they realized they could use their money access to their market to get us to be more like them
00:19:50.480 or even one step better than that that they could use our money to get us to be more like them
00:19:56.800 sending back those disney movies and iphones as trojan horses to undermine the united states from within
00:20:03.360 so that is the problem as i see it the concentration of state power and corporate power that lends itself
00:20:11.200 to capture facing down a threat far more
00:20:16.800 deep and dangerous than we've anything we faced in our nation's history the soviet union did not supply 1.00
00:20:22.960 the shoes on our feet or the phones in our pocket that is what makes our unique moment far more
00:20:29.440 complicated than anything i think we faced in the latter half of the 20th century
00:20:35.360 i i want all the war room audience the cadre and the posse everybody to take this clip of this
00:20:41.360 part of the interview but plus that open and become a force multiplier everybody has to see that i think
00:20:47.200 it's the best succinct and i say this from a guy who's been doing this for a couple of three years i think
00:20:52.000 is the best most succinct um uh verbalization and thought about exactly where we stand and so vivek
00:21:01.040 ramaswamy uh joins us now vivek i could take this a two ways the ccp and the bigger geopolitical or
00:21:07.760 the corporate and i think the way i want to do it is is governor sununu of of new hampshire actually
00:21:13.520 has gone on abc and he's thinking of running for president and his big issue because he's trying to put a
00:21:17.920 shot across um uh the governor of florida's bow about his taking on disney and he doesn't think
00:21:25.840 it's right for politicians to be taking on uh a capitalist so he he's all over he's all over the
00:21:31.680 governor but he's really taking a shot at you he's saying hey you know uh the republican the republican
00:21:37.600 virtue is to let business be business and let the free market forces uh make changes here why is that
00:21:44.320 not just naive why is that why is that thinking uh uh dangerous when he he's he's really trying to
00:21:51.280 attack desantis but essentially he's attacking you because you're much at a much deeper level of this
00:21:57.680 about the real politics of global corporations sir yeah so i think that you can't recite slogans you
00:22:05.600 memorized in 1980 trying to pretend like we're in 1980 all right it's like what dorothy might have said
00:22:10.400 to the wizard you know in the wizard of oz we're not in 1980 anymore and the reality
00:22:14.240 is what that what we think of as the free market that is no longer the free market today steve the
00:22:19.280 free market cannot fix what it is not free to fix when it has been captured first of all just
00:22:24.320 domestically it's this new merger of state power and corporate power that's far more powerful than
00:22:29.440 either one alone i don't even call it for example in the realm of censorship big tech censorship anymore
00:22:35.040 your listenership stop calling it that it's not big tech censorship it is government tech censorship
00:22:40.560 right where government is using companies through the back door to do what it couldn't do through the
00:22:44.720 front door under the constitution the same thing with respect to the economy right alaskan drilling
00:22:50.160 arctic drilling perfectly legal why can no one lend to it because john kerry the climate czar went around
00:22:55.680 to private companies getting them to sign a climate pledge that got the green new deal done through the
00:23:00.160 back door they didn't need to pass it through congress so it's this merger i mean it's the classic
00:23:04.320 mussolini-esque definition of fascism the merger of state power and corporate power to do what neither
00:23:11.120 could on its own and then the american system is supposed to be based on distributed power anyway
00:23:15.680 right distributed political power through the political process distributed power through our
00:23:20.160 old vision of capitalism well when that power gets so concentrated the combination of state power and
00:23:26.000 corporate power that's what lends itself to capture right and that's what the ccp recognized 0.99
00:23:31.120 is that if we can then use these companies as trojan horses getting them to sort of jump to our carrots
00:23:37.360 and sticks saying you can't enter the lucrative chinese market unless you kowtow to the ccp you 1.00
00:23:43.520 can't enter the lucrative chinese market if you criticize the ccp but will actually open the door wide open 1.00
00:23:49.280 if you're critiquing the united states or applying constraints like emissions caps over there that
00:23:54.160 effectively turns these companies into trojan horses that advance the ccp's agenda from within 1.00
00:24:01.440 that's not free market capitalism that is a hollowed out husk of free market capitalism and just
00:24:06.400 because we recite the slogans and mantras does not make it true and there's nothing that irritates me
00:24:11.520 more than conservatives who wish for a reality that was actually the one that we faced in 1980
00:24:17.760 when there's a soviet union that we could enter a cold war with without making any real sacrifice
00:24:21.920 because we didn't depend on them to power a modern way of life when in fact the reality today is the
00:24:27.120 entire multinational corporation apparatus based even here in the united states is beholden to china 0.59
00:24:32.960 because xi jinping's boot is on their neck that's not free market capitalism that is a form of
00:24:39.120 corporatism that requires leadership and i think more precise state action doesn't mean i'm agreeing with
00:24:45.040 everything the senate has done down the line but his heart's in the right place to be able to take on
00:24:50.480 this marriage of corporate power and state power rather than just reciting something that ronald reagan
00:24:54.640 told us to remember for 40 years uh we got a couple minutes here i'm gonna hold you through the break
00:24:59.920 but but here because you make this very powerful thing is that we thought the opening up of world
00:25:04.640 trade organization and most favored nations would change them as liberal democratic capital it'd be the 1.00
00:25:10.160 end of history it turned out it when the berlin wall fell tianemont square happened shortly thereafter and we
00:25:16.080 had bush send scowcroft off and kind of made a devil's pack with the ccp they could have collapsed 1.00
00:25:21.600 right then how did it turn out that the history didn't end how did history not answer give me a
00:25:27.600 minute on that we're going to go to break how did history not end how the liberal order not actually
00:25:32.000 went out china was actually playing the long game is the answer they realized if you want to turn
00:25:36.960 capitalism into a vehicle to spread your values guess what we think in longer term time horizons than you do
00:25:42.640 we're going to use that same trojan horse of capitalism to export our values back to you
00:25:47.920 that's effectively what they did and it's not just the chinese spy balloon that then becomes
00:25:51.760 the trojan horse it's an iphone it's a disney movie it's tick tock where each of these companies
00:25:57.760 have to be able to advance an agenda to be able to do business in china have to be able to advance
00:26:02.800 their agenda over here and so they turned that whole game on its head where we thought we were going
00:26:07.360 to export those big macs and happy meals and spread democracy as i said in that video well they
00:26:12.160 realized they could do us up one better because capitalism can then be a two-way street for
00:26:16.080 advancing their values instead and that's been the story of the last 10 years we're only now
00:26:20.480 starting to wake up to it okay vivic ramaswamy is just not an analyst or a pundit he's actually a
00:26:27.120 man of action he's got a solution for this we're gonna take a short commercial break we're in return
00:26:31.360 with vivic he's gonna talk to us about what then is to be done also kelly chewbacca from alaska
00:26:36.480 joins us laura luma's got a rico suit i don't think a lot of people know about kelly's chewbacca's 0.96
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00:31:32.000 okay welcome back vivek given your analysis your theory of the case you're actually a man in the
00:31:38.960 capital markets every day people want to know what then is to be done i want to know both on the
00:31:42.800 investigation level we had to kick off the weaponization today of the government but both
00:31:47.520 on the investigation level in the legislative level but also if people want to put their capital
00:31:53.120 to work how can we what is your recommendation what has to be done so i think what needs to be
00:31:58.240 done in the policy level is we're going to have to make some sacrifices we got ourselves into this
00:32:02.240 mess because we wanted to buy cheap stuff quickly well unfortunately we got bed in bed with an enemy
00:32:07.200 that's using that back against us as their economic military weapon against the us so what does that
00:32:12.320 mean i mean i i think that a lot of people aren't going to like this but i think it means that businesses
00:32:16.640 should not us companies should not be allowed to do business in china until the ccp reforms its 1.00
00:32:22.480 behaviors intellectual property theft us user data theft their whole mercantilist agenda that has to
00:32:28.880 stop and that's going to come at some short-term pain but unfortunately that's the price we're going to
00:32:32.960 have to pay in order for having committed three decades of this sin of actually getting in bed
00:32:37.200 with an enemy and reliant on it i just i just want to put a pin in that in other words until
00:32:43.120 either ccp falls because you know we're the believers there's not the legitimate government
00:32:46.960 of the laobajing but you're now on the record of saying we should have 100 decoupling
00:32:54.880 until either they're removed or they have such a massive reform that they become
00:32:59.360 like one of the liberal democracies of the west is that essentially what you're saying total decoupling
00:33:03.920 that is what i'm saying and i'm not saying it just with some sort of protectionist economic
00:33:07.600 justification steve i'm saying it with a national security justification because let's wake up to the
00:33:12.800 actual national security threat it's not a military battle with china it is an economic war because in
00:33:18.000 china economic policy and military policy are two sides of the same coin we suffer this illusion in
00:33:24.240 this country that somehow the two are different as it relates to china they're not and i think that
00:33:28.720 that's going to involve some sacrifice i mean other things that we need to do you could i could go on
00:33:33.040 and on but i think accountability for the covet 19 pandemic is a must including even using financial
00:33:38.400 levers to do it including but not even limited to taking a look at the national debt held by china
00:33:43.840 specifically and have some detailed ideas on this but my general view is that it will require some
00:33:48.880 short-term pain in order to do over the long run what we're going to be required to do as a country
00:33:54.560 one of the easiest things we can do and this relates to some of my work too is abandon this global
00:33:59.280 climate religion that is shackling the u.s economy while leaving china untouched i'll give you one 0.97
00:34:05.760 example of this from my world is the black rocks of the world that are forcing companies like exxon and
00:34:11.520 chevron to drop oil production projects guess what who's picking up those same projects in the
00:34:16.560 sichuan province of china petro china's brought buying up a project that chevron dropped guess
00:34:21.840 who's one of the largest shareholders of petro china it's none other than you guessed it black
00:34:26.000 rock who gets a license to be the only foreign seller of mutual funds in china so that's how this game
00:34:31.840 is played so that's why i think they're using this as a vehicle to advance their geopolitical goals
00:34:37.280 that's not capitalism that is mercantilism and as long as they're playing the mercantilist game we can't
00:34:43.200 just pretend close our eyes sununu or whoever else wants us to do it and pretend like this is
00:34:48.160 true global free market capitalism we at least as it relates to china have to move to total decoupling
00:34:54.240 as i say it the declaration of independence of 2023 or the declaration of independence of 2024
00:34:59.920 is a declaration of independence from china it is a codependent relationship all codependent 0.70
00:35:07.440 relationships do not end well the only question is who ends it first i think the sooner we end it the
00:35:12.320 better for us the longer we wait the better for them so let's step up and act even though
00:35:17.200 it's going to require some measure of short-term sacrifice to do it that's where i am on the record
00:35:22.480 from a policy perspective of what we need to do and that gets to my deeper questions about if we
00:35:27.120 revive our sense of american national identity and believe in who we really are then guess what we
00:35:32.400 actually have something to make those sacrifices for rather than just going through the motions that
00:35:38.320 being said in the meantime i'm not in government but i am in the private sector i think that there
00:35:43.280 are opportunities and also ways to drive change through the private sector which is what i'm trying
00:35:47.920 to do by competing with these black rocks of the world by having started a firm strive that on day 1.00
00:35:52.800 one what i said we are not going to do business we're not going to build an asset management subsidiary
00:35:58.640 in china why is that because i dislike china maybe as a citizen i do but as a businessman that's not
00:36:04.080 why it's because you can't be a good fiduciary for a u.s client telling chevron and exxon how to behave
00:36:11.200 on behalf of shareholders if you are doing it under the under the boot on your neck of xi jinping i will 0.55
00:36:17.520 not be xi jinping circus monkey and in theory that should make firms like strive better vocal
00:36:23.120 fiduciaries for american clients because they don't have these mixed motives in china so i i think
00:36:28.480 private sector solutions can go you know so far steve but i'm not one of these people that just
00:36:32.880 because i'm doing it i'm going to tell you that that's the silver bullet it's not market solutions
00:36:37.360 are especially as it relates to china only going to go so far i'm doing what i can but i think that and
00:36:43.120 that's why i founded strive and i'm proud of it but that doesn't mean it's a panacea to the contrary i
00:36:48.480 think we're going to require not just some state governor one at a time doing some tokenist
00:36:52.880 things so that they can get a trend on twitter this is a national issue needs to be dealt with
00:36:57.120 by the next president united states because we all know the current one isn't going to do it
00:37:00.400 to be able to say that we're declaring independence from china not as a protectionist
00:37:04.880 coddling now they can get into that whole economic argument this is the national security threat that
00:37:09.920 we need to pay attention to ukraine or anything else as a sideshow this is what we need to wake up to
00:37:15.360 and the good news though is steve we have a window to do it because xi jinping has been a
00:37:20.080 has been self-defeating in the last year he's opened up this window for us he was obsessed
00:37:25.120 over getting his third term as all autocrats are he's an egomaniac he did some things to his
00:37:30.240 economy that leave them vulnerable now i think we have a short window to defeat china economically 1.00
00:37:36.560 so that we will never have to militarily because they are vulnerable now if we can rise to the occasion
00:37:43.040 and seize that window but that's going to require some sacrifice for us but it's going to come
00:37:48.080 at even greater pain for them that's what we're going to have to endure we don't need a neville 1.00
00:37:52.240 chamberlain here in america we actually need somebody who's going to be willing to lead on
00:37:55.600 the timescales of history rather than on the short-term timescales of electoral cycles
00:38:02.640 before i let you go a couple minutes you talked about this a brilliant analysis of really the greater
00:38:07.120 war with the ccp uh the existential threat to the american people and to lao baijing the chinese 1.00
00:38:12.240 people and our allies in japan india south korea all of it uh but talk to me about this this almost
00:38:19.040 theology of of climate change and how it manifests in esg at strive what is how do people fight that
00:38:26.400 we have a lot of people talking about it now but how do you actually because it is a that is a theology
00:38:32.800 that permeates every aspect of these folks walk us through that for a couple of minutes
00:38:37.280 it is a theology it is absolutely a religion you have my generation and younger that's so hungry
00:38:42.560 for a cause we don't believe in god or country anymore well you fill that vacuum with a new
00:38:46.720 religion instead and the hottest trending new one is climatism now that being said i'm you know
00:38:53.040 trying to fight this through the private sector right now with chevron trying to rescind a scope
00:38:58.160 three emissions proposal that they adopted in the year 2021 at the behest of folks like blackrock
00:39:04.720 state student vanguard using shareholder power to do it so you can read about that that's what i'm
00:39:08.720 doing at strive strive you know strive is a separate business effort on this front but let's just talk
00:39:13.760 about the broader issue of the climate religion here's the thing really wake up to this it has
00:39:20.080 nothing to do with the climate okay if it did the people who are calling for the us to stop production
00:39:26.560 here should be really concerned if petro china is picking up those projects because you know what
00:39:31.200 methane leakage which even if you subscribe to this religion religion is 80 times worse for global
00:39:36.000 warming then is even a unit of carbon dioxide they don't talk about that they just talk about
00:39:40.240 carbon emissions methane leakage is worse in china than it is here so if you really cared about
00:39:44.720 supposedly even the core tenet of your religion your god the climate you would have cared about
00:39:49.360 shifting that production to places like china because the projects are still proceeding but they don't
00:39:53.920 so that's clue number one here's clue number two if you really cared that much about so-called
00:39:59.120 carbon emissions you would be a proponent of nuclear energy and yet this esg movement vanguard's esg funds
00:40:05.760 for example exclude nuclear energy companies from their esg funds the esg movement is hostile to nuclear
00:40:12.400 energy what's going on there that's the second clue okay the problem with nuclear energy for this movement
00:40:18.320 is not that it is too bad but that it might be too good at solving their own in my opinion mostly
00:40:23.600 made up problem and so what does that tell you the e and the esg is really just a trojan horse for the
00:40:31.280 s the social prong the environmental prong is really just a trojan horse a vehicle a vector for the social
00:40:38.160 prong where what this is about is global equity it is about making the west and america in particular
00:40:45.360 repay its sins of the past for having achieved greatness and its exceptionalist status and its success
00:40:52.320 because what is this about if they would love nuclear energy but the problem with nuclear energy
00:40:56.240 is that might just allow a nations like america to continue to power themselves independently into
00:41:01.600 the future no no that's not what this agenda is about this agenda is about shackling the west
00:41:06.800 shackling america in particular so that the rest of the world can so-called catch up and you know who's
00:41:12.240 using that to advance their objective you guessed it none other than the ccp who's laughing at us and the 1.00
00:41:17.600 bitesuo the in their language the the useful idiot left in the united states to laugh their way to the 0.99
00:41:24.160 top because in these so-called climate negotiations they still this is staggering they still claim 0.99
00:41:30.240 developing nation status this is a foreign power that has a bigger navy than we do that flying spy
00:41:36.560 balloons over sovereign u.s territory without real punity for it to pay an economy that we're dependent
00:41:42.880 on and yet in the climate negotiations with john carrey or somebody else they claim developing nation
00:41:47.920 status this is laughable and that's because that's what the whole agenda was about climate change and
00:41:53.760 the climate change movement has nothing to do with the climate it has everything to do with global equity
00:42:00.720 and that is the religious fixation that could be the downfall of this country unless we wake up to that
00:42:06.240 and fill our hunger for religion our hunger for a belief in a higher power with something that is more
00:42:11.600 meaningful like say american identity itself which is what i spend my my waking hours trying to get
00:42:17.680 this country to wake up to vivek how do people get to your social media how they get to strive
00:42:23.280 how they find out more about you strive.com is strive at vivek g ramaswamy that's me on twitter
00:42:29.360 it's just spelled the usual way you know that usual at vivek g ramaswamy uh i have a website with
00:42:34.400 my books vivek ramaswamy.com we'll probably be updating that soon to include more you know more useful
00:42:39.600 information i haven't been very good at self-promotion i usually just care about ideas but you know i think
00:42:44.640 it's important to get these ideas out there now to reach more people so this is just the beginning
00:42:48.960 we will we will help we're just getting started we're just getting started yes sir no it's incredible
00:42:54.320 your your speech we're gonna push this out hard uh so uh trust me we'll take care of the marketing
00:42:58.880 part you just keep giving the ideas vivek ramaswamy incredible incredible thank you sir couldn't be
00:43:05.520 better tee up to kelly chewbacca kelly chewbacca these were her issues she should be in the united
00:43:10.000 states senate she ain't and we got to ask her why and what are you doing about it ma'am you're starting
00:43:15.040 a new group rank choice voting everything vivek just told us was really the platform you ran on
00:43:21.360 you should be in the united states senate we need your voice more than ever it's not because of you
00:43:26.640 won but you lost you won but they took the senate seat from you in rank choice voting walk us through
00:43:32.560 it and talk about your new group to try to fight this cancer throughout the nation it's great to be
00:43:38.640 with you steve thanks so much we've started a group called preserve democracy we're taking words from
00:43:44.320 the moderate and the left back for our purposes and it's to really work on election integrity that was
00:43:51.040 one of the things that we were running on as well we know that rank choice voting is a threat to our
00:43:56.160 system a threat to election integrity and it is spreading quickly through the united states
00:44:01.120 if we don't act now the entire u.s election system is about to change and that's the reality
00:44:07.680 rank choice voting is here in alaska and it is spreading already it's in 28 states across the
00:44:13.840 united states and 14 other states currently are looking at implementing it or expanding it even
00:44:20.720 u.s congress has looked at twice now making it mandatory in all 50 states and so we are currently on the
00:44:27.440 on the brink of having the entire u.s election system change to what we saw up here in alaska
00:44:32.800 this last election cycle and so how does this system work what happens is it comes with a blanket
00:44:38.480 primary parties no longer get to control who their candidates are by the way this is in direct violation
00:44:44.160 of a 2000 u.s supreme court case that said parties do get to control their candidates instead anybody can
00:44:50.240 run for office and call themselves whatever they want and everybody gets to vote on those candidates
00:44:55.520 democrats get to choose republican candidates republicans get to choose democrat candidates
00:45:00.000 you get the idea murkowski gets to call herself a republican even though she was censured and removed
00:45:05.440 from the republican party in alaska the candidates who get the most votes regardless of party get to go to
00:45:11.280 the top four or top three depending on the system uh general election and then voters get to rank their
00:45:19.040 their candidates in order of preference or they can choose to not rank the lowest candidates then drop off and
00:45:25.360 until there's top two candidates and the votes of the lower candidates if you voted for example a
00:45:31.360 candidate who dropped off your votes that you ranked lower they get redistributed to the upper candidates
00:45:37.040 are you confused yet if you didn't rank somebody then your vote just gets eliminated and then the votes get
00:45:42.960 redistributed and shuffled according to an algorithm that people don't have insight into and then all of a
00:45:48.480 sudden a new winner is declared that's ranked choice voting and this is what's sweeping across the united
00:45:54.400 states it's dangerous for several reasons number one it leads to voter suppression here in alaska we saw
00:46:01.440 the lowest voter turnout in the history of the state this past year steve we also see that the aclu has
00:46:08.880 testified that it leads to voter suppression in new york the head of the naacp is stating that this leads to
00:46:15.280 voter suppression i think that that's extremely dangerous and a concern to every american on top
00:46:20.400 of that in alaska the head of our division of elections has testified rank choice voting cannot
00:46:25.280 be audited and the results cannot be recounted and so we have huge distrust in rank choice voting same
00:46:32.720 thing in san francisco this past election cycle after the election was certified there was a rank choice
00:46:38.880 tallying error in the algorithm the wrong person was certified as the winner same thing in new york rank
00:46:44.400 choice voting was calculated wrong and it led to the wrong results and so we're seeing that we've got
00:46:49.280 problems with this rank choice algorithm that no human has insight into on top of that when maine used
00:46:55.200 their rank choice system in 2020 they said it is calculated instant and and actually verified proven
00:47:03.040 the most expensive and the most negative election that they've ever had rank choices voter suppression it's
00:47:10.000 voter integrity issues we do our election integrity issues it can't be audited it can't be recounted it's
00:47:16.000 the most expensive and the most negative and yet it's sweeping across and i'm telling people it is
00:47:22.320 sweeping it's in arizona it's everywhere i go in the country kelly we got to bounce but i need you to
00:47:26.800 give how do people get to you on social media how do they get to your website everybody wants to find
00:47:30.800 out about this it is sweeping the country and it's going to be everywhere unless we stop it
00:47:34.800 and this is going to be a fight where do they go kelly war room we need your help donating to this
00:47:39.360 preserve democracy.com preserve democracy.com because i need your help fighting rank choice
00:47:44.800 and increasing voter turnout preserve democracy.com please we can stop this movement but we need to
00:47:50.000 move now preserve democracy.com thanks your senate your your senate seat i want all the grace and
00:47:56.560 captain bennett get up in the chat rooms your your senate seat was stolen from you because of this and
00:48:00.880 we're going to get on top of this fighting it kelly chewbacca honor to have you on here ma'am thank
00:48:05.600 you thanks steve
00:48:09.760 preserve democracy i want everybody to get on top of that spread it out okay laura loomer you
00:48:13.360 know her as a fire brand and an incredible uh spot maker filmmaker but people don't know laura
00:48:19.040 thank you for joining us i got about four minutes i'm gonna turn it over to you people don't understand
00:48:22.880 that you've got with all this explosion testimony yesterday we had anna polina luna on this morning
00:48:28.160 you've actually got a very uh important uh quite frankly could be groundbreaking rico suit against
00:48:34.800 cnn walk us through what exactly you're doing against big tech and big media in in suppression
00:48:41.040 of you as a congressional candidate uh well thank you so much uh for having me on steve yeah it's
00:48:47.360 actually a rico lawsuit against uh twitter facebook jack dorsey mark zuckerberg uh png that's proctor
00:48:54.000 and gamble and then uh elements within the fbi and federal agencies within our government uh the way
00:49:01.200 that cnn has now recently gotten involved in this is because uh this lawsuit is progressing i filed this
00:49:08.320 lawsuit in may of 2022 prior to elon musk purchasing twitter and um my legal counsel and i uh john pierce who
00:49:17.760 uh has represented uh people like uh kyle rittenhouse carter page and uh george papadopoulos uh he uh received
00:49:25.920 notice from twitter uh notifying that they've just retained the general counsel and the woman who they've
00:49:32.320 retained who works for a company called uh a firm called wilkie and far uh you used to actually do pr for
00:49:39.200 cnn and so clearly uh this rico case uh has legs uh i filed this case in may of 2022 and it alleges the
00:49:49.040 conspiracy that we now know exists thanks to this twitter hearing yesterday that shows that companies
00:49:55.200 like facebook and twitter and the tech executives have been colluding in a coordinated conspiracy with
00:50:01.200 the fbi and other individuals to interfere illegally in our elections and so um i know that congresswoman 1.00
00:50:10.000 anna paulina from florida had retweeted my lawsuit and last night on tim pool's show she even 1.00
00:50:15.440 mentioned how her testimony yesterday where she uh provided evidence right of this cloud uh software
00:50:23.120 system that these companies and the fbi are utilizing to illegally coordinate together um and how
00:50:29.360 that directly relates to my lawsuit laura i asked on the show a reason we want to have you on for
00:50:35.520 evening we're going to have you back but i want everybody to go to your site uh with you and your
00:50:39.120 laurie about how you they assist here i asked her point blank i said in that back and forth do you
00:50:44.800 believe that the executives perjured themselves and she says there's no doubt in my mind and we're
00:50:50.400 going to go and prove that and that only gives more substance that only gives more substance to your
00:50:54.800 to your charges go ahead ma'am no absolutely they perjured themselves and now that i finally have
00:51:00.320 my twitter account back right after being banned for five years i was live tweeting the hearing
00:51:05.360 yesterday they perjured themselves multiple times when when yael said who gave the order to 0.88
00:51:11.440 censor the hunter biden story okay he said that it was uh del harvey and then when vagina was asked 0.71
00:51:17.120 right uh she had said that it was uh her so what is it it can't be both right it's one or the
00:51:22.720 other somebody's lying they've also been lying about their uh material aid and support for islamic
00:51:28.240 terrorist organizations which is another claim in my rico case and we saw they admitted yesterday
00:51:33.120 under oath that they've been providing access to the taliban we got we got to bounce but i want
00:51:39.040 everybody to get to the site how they find out more about your case more about you your twitter all
00:51:42.960 of it give it to us yeah they can go to lumered.com lumered.com and that's where you can uh donate to
00:51:49.440 my legal defense read about the rico case and follow me on twitter at laura luma
00:51:54.880 laura a lot of people laughed about this case for a long time they ain't laughing now and they're
00:51:58.320 particularly not laughing in silicon valley and in cnn laura luma a fire breather thank you so much
00:52:04.880 for coming on we're going to follow this one closely i want everybody to go to that site right
00:52:08.480 now also sign up follow her on twitter thank you very much for coming on 10 o'clock tomorrow morning
00:52:14.320 10 a.m we're going to be back at it make sure you're here right in the war room
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