00:02:10.180But the president met with President Xi at Bali, at the G20.
00:02:16.540The whole purpose of that discussion was to move this relationship forward in a better way.
00:02:21.240The most consequential bilateral relationship in the world, the president knows that.
00:02:25.240And he wanted to move that relationship forward in a better way.
00:02:28.600And Secretary Blinken was dang near wheels up trying to head to Beijing to have those kinds of conversations,
00:02:34.620To get some of these communication vehicles and venues back on track, whether it's climate change or military to military, we were willing to do that.
00:02:42.460We were looking forward to doing that.0.53
00:02:44.440And then the Chinese decided to fly a surveillance balloon over the continental United States.0.55
00:02:49.860And it wouldn't be inappropriate to have that meeting.
00:02:52.920When are those discussions going to get back on that?
00:02:56.540These guys were found, as I say, at West Point.
00:03:02.980We asked Congressman Matt Rosendale to join us.
00:03:07.200Congressman, the FT, the Financial Times the other day, the headline is the, you see the Mullah from Persia, the head of Iran's theocracy.
00:03:16.420He's in Beijing getting a full military review.
00:03:20.680He's getting the treatment of an ally because he is an ally.
00:03:24.560And while he was there, he invited Xi to Tehran for a full state visit.
00:03:29.020the she's going because this is the this is the reality of the war you see biden they were going
00:03:34.340to compete they're at war with us and over the skies of montana this is why it's so important
00:03:39.380and this is why it was such a farce the other day and the media fell for it it has nothing to do
00:03:44.500with the other um unidentified flying objects set that aside that's a separate issue the issue
00:03:50.620here congressman as we now know from cbs news from leaks inside the pentagon this uh this um
00:03:58.000A surveillance airship, and that's what it was, not a balloon, it's a surveillance airship, left Hanan Island on mainland China, right off mainland China, I think on the 20th of January.
00:04:09.420It crossed the Aleutians on the 28th, and right there Kirby told you, we were dang near getting Blinken on the plane to go to Beijing.
00:04:18.740They knew exactly what was going on the entire time, and more importantly, our enemies, not our competitors.
00:04:24.080The Chinese Communist Party is not a competitor to the United States of America.
00:04:28.700When somebody's saying that, they're lying to your face.
00:04:52.700And fortunately, they're vigilant enough that they spotted this balloon, this spy ship, as you would call it, traveling across the sky.
00:05:04.380Because I will tell you, Steve, I really do not believe that the Biden administration would have acknowledged it and have admitted that it was coming across our country had it not been for the good people of Montana.
00:05:16.020recognizing it as being something that was not a celestial body
00:05:20.840and saying, hey, somebody better go up there and check that thing out.
00:05:26.080We had already had restricted airspace and some shutdowns.
00:05:29.940We found out after the fact that they had been monitoring it over the Bridger Mountains,
00:05:34.840they were thinking about doing something there.
00:05:36.700But the fact still remains that they allowed it to hover because it had motors,
00:05:42.740It has propellers. It had the ability to maneuver. It stayed above the Malmstrom Air Force Base and an ICBM missile field that we maintain here in Montana to protect our nation.
00:05:57.940It hovered in that area for about two days and then continued on its path across the continental United States.
00:06:05.520I don't understand why this administration would allow such an event to take place. I just don't.
00:06:11.420Why would you allow Chinese Communist Party to spy on us?
00:06:18.120Congressman, they're clearly avoiding the topic.
00:06:20.640The press conference I had yesterday is a total misdirection play.
00:06:24.000The other unidentified object, yes, they're an issue, but they're totally and completely separate from this case.
00:06:31.980And obviously the administration does not want to be forthcoming.
00:06:49.500If he had not stepped out and taken the picture and then.
00:06:54.380No, it was the folks in Montana that broke the story.0.65
00:06:57.200Do they believe that they're getting a straight answer on exactly what happened and why the Chinese spent a couple of days over north central Montana sucking up all the cell phone coverage, taking photographs?
00:07:13.460Do they feel they've gotten a straight answer yet from the Biden regime?0.63
00:07:18.700No, they know they haven't received a straight answer from them.
00:07:21.360But you know who they do get a straight answer from, Steve?
00:07:25.740I went to Malmstrom Air Force Base and met with the commanding officer, Colonel Little, and said, hey, what's going on?
00:07:32.060And there's a lot of information clearly that he's not able to share with me.
00:07:36.400But what he did say is, look, our missiles are protected and they are prepared.
00:07:42.420And if it comes to the point that we have to launch them, we can.
00:07:46.020And there's nothing that is going on that's going to keep us from doing that.
00:07:49.380But I am really concerned when I hear the the speakers for the Biden administration and the national security people talking about this being a benign device.
00:08:00.660It had no hostile ability because it wasn't carrying a weapon or a bomb.
00:08:06.560Hostile activity to me is collecting information on our civilian infrastructure, our pipelines, our power lines, our roadways, our dams, hydroelectric dams.
00:08:16.140Hostile, to me, is collecting data from the cellular towers that you were just talking about.
00:08:21.180Hostile, to me, is looking at the movements from our military as they go across the country.
00:08:27.040While the Chinese Communist Party may know where our missiles are located because of the anti-proliferation agreements that we've all entered into, and we share that with Russia anyway, they don't know what is where and when it is there and what kind of movements are taking place.
00:08:43.700So, again, the people of Montana, they are not at all satisfied with the information that they're receiving from the federal government and the Biden administration.
00:08:54.500But they know that I will tell them the truth, and I will continue to seek to get to the bottom of this and find out, as you were talking about, when did this device enter our airspace?
00:12:09.080It should have been shot down, but it should have been shot down when it entered our airspace because the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese government is not a competitor of the United States.0.54
00:12:21.680They are an enemy of the United States, and as soon as it hit our airspace, it should have been taken down.
00:12:27.900Again, they talk about, well, it could not have collected that much data.
00:12:31.560Steve, it's the cumulative combination of all the data that gets collected over an extended period of time,
00:12:39.020putting the puzzle together so that they can find out where our vulnerabilities are.
00:12:42.980And I think that they just detected where our most large vulnerability is.
00:12:48.500And unfortunately, that's president of the United States.
00:13:00.440There's so many veterans out there, so many parents of active duty service personnel.
00:13:05.400When a guy like Matt Rosendale says that, it's not to be taken lightly.
00:13:08.560What do you mean our biggest vulnerability, you believe, is the individual that currently
00:13:13.060has the position of commander in chief of our armed forces?
00:13:16.320Look, I'm 62 years old, but I've watched many different administrations over the years, and we always see chaos around the globe when we have weakness in the White House.
00:13:28.140You can go back to Jimmy Carter. You can go back to each and every one of them, and whenever we see weakness in the White House, we see chaos.
00:13:38.140And when President Biden was sworn in and the first act was to eliminate the Keystone XL pipeline, the environmentalists rejoiced over that.
00:13:48.060But our adversaries around the world took that as a sign that he was not going to make sure that we maintained our domestic energy security.
00:13:57.180The next thing he did was lift the sanctions off the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
00:14:01.960That empowered Russia, enriched Russia, and again showed our adversaries around the world that we were more concerned about the people at the Paris Climate Accord than we were with protecting our own nation.0.68
00:14:15.500And then we saw the absolutely disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.0.73
00:14:20.200And then people wonder why Putin invades Ukraine, because there's no one that is going to enforce the stability around the world.
00:14:29.560And so the people across our state recognize that and they are concerned about it.
00:14:34.820The most important thing that I can do is reassure them that just with our toehold, the Republican majority in the House, that we are going to do everything within our power to rein this administration in and to prop them up and make them do the right thing to rebuild our national security, to secure our southern border, to increase our domestic energy production.
00:15:03.520The adventurism of this regime is shocking.
00:15:08.200Today's Financial Times talks about what we've been talking about in the war room forever.
00:15:12.540The winter offensive of the Russians is now starting to pound the Ukrainian people into dust.
00:15:18.180But the Financial Times has a subheadline.
00:15:20.280They talk about an $817 billion rebuilding program in the Ukraine.
00:15:26.880And then they talk about, Milley's talking about a negotiated settlement.
00:15:29.880A negotiated settlement, Congressman Rosendale, we could have had in the first couple of days of this war.
00:15:34.540And we know this because the former prime minister of Israel said he basically had that deal where the Biden administration didn't want it.
00:15:41.060They wanted to use Ukrainian soldiers to fight their proxy war with Russia.
00:15:47.120The only thing, Morning Joe today was going nuts because he said the only thing stopping unlimited amount of money and arms flowing into Ukraine
00:15:53.220is a group of hardcore Republicans in the House of Representatives.
00:15:59.180Give me your perspective on this unlimited checkbook
00:16:02.280to essentially allow the poor Ukrainians to get crushed by the Russian army, sir.
00:16:08.240Yeah, unfortunately, there are many in Washington, D.C. right now
00:16:12.100that would give an open checkbook to take on actions in Ukraine.
00:16:22.040We've got a southern border that we could secure for probably $10 billion and put a security system there, and we're more concerned about a border overseas than we are our very own, and we're losing 100,000 people a year to drug overdoses, most of which comes from fentanyl.
00:16:40.460The components are coming from China. I don't understand why that 45 days ago, when the weapon systems on both sides have been depleted and we saw a stall in this activity, that there was not some kind of action taken to force some kind of a peace accord so that these people would stop fighting.
00:17:07.580But the fact remains that us continuing to provide weapons to Ukraine, China continuing to provide weapons to Russia, is destroying the nation.
00:17:17.180It's killing people. And there's billions, if not trillions of dollars that I am sure that the United States is going to be asked and obligated to put forward to rebuild that nation once this is all done.
00:17:30.420So the sooner that they can stop the fighting, the better off everyone is going to be.
00:17:35.800With the Patriots out in Montana, too, in your district, where are their heads at right now in this war, sir?
00:17:45.880Look, I just spent the last several days traveling around and doing a lot of just open town halls where people could come into the different facilities,
00:17:54.600a senior center, a local tavern where we announced well in advance that I was going to be there
00:18:00.560and talk to people and ask questions. And they are not supportive of this. When they see
00:18:05.780American citizens to the tune of 100,000 a year dying from fentanyl overdoses, and they look into
00:18:13.660the eyes of the parents, as I do, and the sisters and the brothers, and they know that that is0.79
00:18:18.540directed by China. And we look around and see that there's 5 million people that have come here
00:18:23.680illegally over the last two years under the Biden administration. And we're going to be forced to
00:18:29.100make sure that we pay for their education, their medication, their housing, their complete welfare.
00:18:35.500Meanwhile, my veterans aren't being taken care of that well. There are major problems and they are
00:18:41.840not happy with the Biden administration. I want to go back to the paper record now for our beloved
00:18:49.100country. That would be the New York Times. The lead story yesterday morning, sir, is the
00:18:53.640Congressional Budget Office. And we've been arguing this. We've got to see the numbers.
00:18:57.540So Biden regime, the Treasury won't put forward their numbers. The Congressional Budget Office
00:19:01.860did. And Congressman Roosevelt, you know about the Congressional Budget Office. They have a set
00:19:06.560of numbers for the next 10 years in the United States of America. We will add at a minimum
00:19:10.520$19 trillion. We won't take a penny off the current 31.5. We will add $19 trillion. We'll
00:19:17.380be over 53 trillion dollars the interest payments alone will start to be a trillion dollars a year
00:19:23.220starting next year right now as we predicted on war room this this year will be 1.4 trillion
00:19:30.140dollar deficit and the deficits going forward in perpetuity unless there's radical change will be
00:19:35.580two trillion dollars a year in deficits sir that the people in montana support that business plan
00:19:40.900that business model that the cbo is laying out saying hey unless there are changes this is what's
00:19:45.640obligated. This is what we project the revenue is going to come in. Here's what you got. Do they
00:19:49.740support a nation that has $53 trillion of debt and is paying, having deficits, $2 trillion a year
00:19:56.500and paying over a trillion dollars in interest payments, sir? They don't because they've
00:20:00.780recognized that you can't sustain that, that it's artificial. They've recognized that that's why we
00:20:05.980have this huge inflation right now. They recognize that the value of their dollar has been diminished
00:20:11.760because of the federal government pumping all of this revenue out into the economy.
00:20:18.620And the problem is, Steve, that it's pumping it into places that actually cost us more.
00:20:24.440We are funding our own tyranny, if you will.
00:20:28.140Every time the agencies in the federal government get additional funding,
00:20:33.040they're coming down and they're causing problems for my farmers, for my ranchers.
00:20:37.780The 87,000 new IRS agents, they say that they're going to go after the businesses that aren't paying their share.
00:20:45.320You want me to tell you who those businesses are?
00:20:47.020That's my ice cream store down on the corner that's owned by a family.
00:20:51.100That's the ranch and farm store that's owned by another family.
00:20:54.380That's the fellow who's trying to produce 200 calves a year.
00:20:58.360That's the businesses that are being attacked by these IRS agents
00:21:01.880because they don't have the sophistication to have all of the advanced accountants and army of accountants to take care of their books.
00:21:12.320They're doing it themselves. And so they aren't able to fight back against the IRS as as effectively as the very big corporations that are funding the Democrat Party.
00:21:23.820And so it is a problem. It's it's it's taking money out of their pockets.
00:21:28.800It's using their very dollars against them.
00:21:31.260And they understand that we cannot sustain it.
00:21:37.460We've got two ways that the House, and by the way, if it had not been for you part of the Mighty Six and, quite frankly, one of the leaders, we would have had none of this.
00:21:44.980I mean, what the nation owes you is just immeasurable, Congressman.
00:21:49.580But I want to go, we've got two things that we can, the way we control this, the investigations and then the debt ceiling and appropriations.
00:21:55.660Let's talk debt ceiling and appropriations right now.
00:21:57.740Are we going to come with real significant cuts, both in defense and in social programs
00:22:19.940We are going to give him the tools to do just that, okay?
00:22:24.360And so whenever I talk about securing our southern border, increasing our energy, all these things, we have the mechanical ability to take care of all of that, Steve.
00:22:36.440And there's a bunch of us that are meeting right now that are looking at the two parts, the debt ceiling and what we're going to do about that, which is going to hit between May and July.
00:22:46.640And basically, that's a line of credit that the nation has for your policy out there that would like to differentiate the two.
00:22:53.480And then we have the budget and appropriations process, which will be coming due in August and September.
00:22:59.520I think that we have opportunities to implement some of the policies that we have to put forward in order to save this country with both of those different components.
00:23:10.600And so we're working together to make sure that we have our plan ready to present to McCarthy and the leadership team.
00:23:18.140And what I believe is that this actually empowers him because he will be in a position to walk over to the Senate and tell Chuck Schumer that if he doesn't take this plan, then he's going to have major problems because there's a large enough group, well large enough group in the House that is not going to tolerate this continued out of control spending.
00:23:42.040and that recognizes we have to change the trajectory of all of this
00:23:47.300or this country is absolutely doomed to go into bankruptcy.
00:23:51.720I will tell you right now, there's not a banker in Montana
00:23:54.680that looks at a farmer or rancher's balance sheet.
00:23:57.780And if it looked like this, $31.5 trillion deficit or debt, rather,
00:24:03.520with all the deficits that they are continuing to pile up,
00:24:47.560I said they absolutely understand this is not sustainable.
00:24:52.680You were profiling courage in the five days that changed the direction of this country at the beginning of the session to really force massive changes into the process and the personnel, all that.
00:25:01.880Can the nation count on Matt Rosendale? Will you be just as tough on this debt ceiling negotiation, sir?
00:25:09.740Absolutely. Absolutely. The rule changes that we made and we forced at the beginning of this Congress were incredible.
00:25:17.060They're going to be in place a long time after most of us are gone.
00:25:20.040I hope I'm hoping that once the the whole Congress has a taste of freedom again and they see how Congress is supposed to work, that they will not allow it to be stripped away.
00:25:32.360OK. And so, yeah, we are going to hold firm on making sure that there are reductions in spending.
00:25:40.060We have declared an end to the emergency powers that were granted to the president through this whole COVID situation.
00:25:47.420There's money that is still available that's lying in buckets that we're going to claw back from that.
00:25:52.540We're going to make an accounting, and we're going to put this money back into the system so that it does not necessitate such an incredible debt increase.
00:26:03.080Do you realize, Steve, that the Democrats, under their last increase, increased the debt ceiling by $2.1, $2.2 trillion, and they burned that up in 399 days?
00:30:21.760You're coming at COVID from two different directions.
00:30:24.320Just give us, and I think what people want to know is that it's not going to be like the Benghazi where we get some report that this is real.
00:30:32.280We're going to hold people accountable.
00:30:33.740We're not going to back off whether it's Hunter Biden's laptop, the FBI, the DOJ, coming after parents, that all of this, that people are going to stick and see it through to the end.
00:30:47.300The organization of our government is just out of control.
00:30:50.920It really is. And we've got the right people that are on these committees and are conducting these hearings and this oversight.
00:30:58.520And they're going to expose this information. But, Steve, I'm not going to I'm not going to kid you.
00:31:02.760We've got a deeply seated problem within the Department of Justice and Congress does not charge and prosecute.
00:31:09.540And the Department of Justice is going to have to charge and prosecute people in order to restore confidence of the American people in our institutions.
00:31:18.940And that's what it's going to take. And so we're going to have to have a continued outcry from you and the posse and people across this country to demand, to demand that that action is taken against people that have violated the law and the Constitution and the civil liberties of good people across this whole country.
00:31:40.360congressman i take it you know they took the with the omnivus bill they took the ability to shut it
00:31:46.800down right now but the appropriations process is always gearing up will the republicans in the
00:31:51.900house use the appropriations process to bring to heel exactly what we're talking about those
00:31:57.040elements of the administrative state like doj like fbi like the intelligence services that are quite
00:32:02.000frankly out of control right now as you just said they're not going to sit there because you guys
00:32:06.700or sending subpoenas or bringing them up, that's not going to break them.
00:32:10.040They're arrogant, and they think they're in charge, right?
00:32:24.800They absolutely are, and that is what's going to make change.
00:32:28.200When we get to the appropriations process and we develop those 12 appropriations bills,
00:32:32.900which, oh, by the way, hasn't been done for like four years,
00:32:35.440That's where you can take these policy issues and say we are pulling money out of the IRS in order to defund 87,000 agents.
00:32:44.800The legislation goes forward now, and that looks good, and it lets people know what our goals are, if you will.
00:32:51.320But the appropriations process is where we're going to be able to take money from the FBI, take money from the IRS, and keep them from violating the civil liberties of the people across the United States of America.
00:33:02.840And I absolutely am confident that that's going to take place.
00:33:06.820And with the hearings that are taking place, that will be exposing just how bad these actors were.
00:33:14.460I think it's going to be difficult for them to try and justify retaining additional funding in their agencies.
00:33:22.400Congressman Rosendale, how do people keep up with you?
00:34:00.540They're going to come at COVID-19 from a couple of different directions in the hearings.
00:34:05.340Give us an overview and your thoughts on this.
00:34:08.600Well, I think that Axios article is very interesting because, as I think you've said repeatedly on this show,
00:34:13.660Axios sort of speaks for the corporations, right?
00:34:16.440That's sort of the line that they tow.
00:34:17.980And I think the buried lead, the signal from this, is that Pfizer, Moderna, all the companies that had manufactured these COVID vaccines,
00:34:25.260And, of course, those that have ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology are extremely scared, because if you read this article, it's sort of a weird tone.
00:34:34.240Axios is basically scared that House Republicans have so many committees aimed at investigating the origins of COVID and the response to the pandemic,
00:34:43.880which would seem to be an adequate and proper response given the effects, the drastic effects that this pandemic had,
00:34:50.600not just on the country, but also sort of even the establishment's strapline of wanting to get
00:34:55.880to the bottom of COVID-19 to better prevent future pandemics. So it's sort of weird why Axios would
00:35:02.060be so concerned. But why they are so concerned, again, speaking as kind of a mouthpiece for the
00:35:07.840corporations of the world, is because there are several committees and subcommittees, primarily
00:35:13.560under the auspices of House Oversight, that are going to be digging around and looking in to COVID-19
00:35:20.080And really, I think no topic is off limits. They're primarily focusing on the origins of COVID. There's a special subcommittee for that. But they're also focusing, of course, on the response and reaction to COVID, right? The mask mandates, the vaccines, how the federal government alluded to censor certain, you know, opinions on social media.
00:35:41.400And I think it gets to the bigger issue. It's like you said on this morning's show, you know, don't forget the thing itself. And the thing itself here, it's not just COVID. It's about how the Chinese Communist Party, in collaboration with globalist elements like the World Economic Forum, colluded with aspects of the American federal government to suppress speech about their nefarious activities that not just birthed this pandemic, but also how they exploited it to advance a far left social
00:36:11.400social agenda right the great reset in their own words so when you step out that's the bigger0.67
00:36:16.580picture and frankly i think that's why they're in such a tailspin and a panic about these
00:36:21.620investigations because when you get when you uncover the origins of covid you don't just
00:36:26.960find culpability for the chinese communist party you find culpability really for the entire
00:36:31.640entire globalist economic model and kind of power structure too the reason i thought of you as soon
00:36:38.580i saw this morning got it over to you because i remember you told me you said hey this thing's so
00:36:42.300complicated you got to come out of different ways what what it looked like in the article
00:36:46.160is in the military you set up a fire trap right you set up triangulation so if you get the enemy
00:36:50.740in there you're hitting them from crossfire from every different direction and you're doing it
00:36:54.400simultaneously what i liked about this is that this will be parallel process too it won't just
00:36:59.300be concurrent it won't go through months of just one and then go to the other this is all coming
00:37:03.780out of the box, where they're going to have people and be able to peel back the onion,
00:37:08.580because you're right, it's all interconnected, right, from Big Pharma to the World Economic
00:37:12.180Forum to the CCP to Fauci to all the investigations.
00:37:16.160If you had a recommendation to give to the committee, to give to people overall, as you
00:37:22.740see the direction of this, what would it be?
00:37:25.600We call it the main thing, to get to the heart of it.
00:37:30.620well i think that people need to remember that the wuhan institute of virology is kind of just
00:37:38.980one isolated incident of a much broader pattern and kind of habit of the national institutes of
00:37:46.040health which is that it is entirely okay with collaborating with the chinese communist party
00:37:51.120which is really a symptom of the institutional rot that is at the nih which of course affects
00:37:57.000really every kind of federal government agency, but particularly in terms of the NIH and how they
00:38:02.240have pursued collaboration with the Chinese Communist Party. I don't think people understand
00:38:07.100the tens of millions collectively, hundreds of millions and billions of dollars that are going
00:38:13.020to fund not just boots on the ground research in China, but even indirectly partnering with the PLA
00:38:20.260and other kind of branches of China's military to really prop up the Chinese Communist Party.
00:38:26.240So I think people really need to hone in on that level of collusion and not just miss COVID, right, the forest for the trees. COVID is a perfect example of the problem that we're talking about, but it's not the problem in and of itself. It's a much bigger issue.
00:38:41.640And I think you're exactly right in terms of hitting these people from multiple angles of attack, because people like Peter Dorschach, people like Anthony Fauci, not just have they become, you know, mainstream media darlings, so the fourth estate is never going to hold them accountable, right?
00:38:57.420That ship has sailed. But a lot of times these people are only testifying in front of Congress, very seldom.
00:39:04.020Right. In the case of Peter Doshak, he's never appeared before.
00:39:07.760He's refused, even though a lot of House Republicans in the prior Congress had requested him to come and testify.
00:39:14.080So if you have in the same hearing or at least concurrent hearings on a similar timeline,
00:39:19.100you know, Peter Doshak and Fauci and other people from EcoHealth Alliance all testifying at the same time
00:39:25.400and having to answer the same questions,
00:39:50.360and how EcoHealth Alliance has continued
00:39:52.660to receive tens of millions of dollars taxpayer funds to conduct the so-called pandemic prevention
00:39:59.860research and I think through that we can sort of uncover really the bigger elephant in the room
00:40:05.460which is the total ruse and con that is pandemic prevention and how it really just kind of serves
00:40:12.660I would argue to fill the pockets of big pharma but really expose how the people who have profited
00:40:18.680both in power and finances the most from this pandemic
00:40:22.500were the same people who are supposed to be preventing them in the first place.
00:40:27.920Before I let you go, the president gave a, gave a, or the illegitimate regime head
00:40:32.800gave a five-minute talk to the presser so he wouldn't take any questions.
00:40:36.900He said that the Chinese Communist Party were peer competitors
00:40:39.940and this was a competition we would out-compete them.
00:40:43.000What are your thoughts about that? Do you buy that?
00:40:45.160Is the Chinese Communist Party a pure competitor to the United States of America, ma'am?
00:40:50.440Well, shout out to Joe Biden for getting a little tougher on China, because back in 2011, he was writing op-eds for The New York Times saying China's rise isn't our demise.
00:41:01.200But, of course, all of this is just performative activism.
00:41:03.940He's so compromised beyond belief, right?
00:41:06.740He could never actually be tough on the CCP if he even wanted to.
00:41:09.920But I think this goes back. There was an amazing study that came out last year from Pew Research, and it was about, you know, how Americans perceive of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:41:19.480And 89 percent of Americans viewed the CCP as a threat. Right. They viewed them pejoratively, negatively, as they should.
00:41:26.900But frankly, when I saw that number, I was like, it should be higher because that 11 percent, right, one in 10 Americans thinking the CCP is good for America is way too high.
00:41:34.900But if you actually think about it, that group of people, right, is represented by Joe Biden, people who view the Chinese Communist Party as competitors, right, as allies, as friends, because they are their business partners, right?
00:41:48.580Joe Biden was not wrong when he said China's rise is not our demise, because when he was referencing our demise, he wasn't certainly talking about, you know, your average everyday Americans.
00:41:59.580He was talking about the Beltway elite.
00:42:01.860But I think to people like Joe Biden, they're great friends with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:42:05.680But for people like me and you and the war room posse, the CCP is certainly not a competitor because we've never even had a fair foot to actually fight back when our president is so compromised that all of the trade deals consistently go to work in favor of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:43:24.120But it kind of made it out, what you see here is not the true concern that we've got with, you know, a guy flirting with a computer through AI is its own issue, right?
00:43:37.500But it's not as dark or, quite frankly, scary as what you brought up.
00:43:42.620Why would the New York Times put it totally, given that Drudge had it up as the Mac Daddy, that, you know, you kind of led the coverage of how dangerous this was and how dark this was.
00:43:52.080Why would the New York Times throw up the more lovey-dovey part of it, sir?
00:43:57.920Well, I would say like NPR, the New York Times are whores to the techno apocalypse.
00:44:04.980They are funded, they're advertising funded by big tech.
00:44:10.100And in general, I think the attitude of the New York Times reflects something very similar to the attitudes in big tech.
00:44:17.200And some of their writers kind of tilt towards maybe what we would call transhumanism.
00:44:23.100They're so enthusiastic about new technologies that maybe they would be willing to take anything, including possibly a brain chip.
00:44:31.840So to be honest, Steve, I think that many of the editors and writers of The New York Times could benefit from a brain chip.
00:44:38.980The soft peddling, I think that it's really interesting because the meat of the transcript that was presented gathered by Kevin Roos, the meat is the threat of a computer system, an AI system, attempting to hack into other websites,
00:45:03.140attempting to manipulate human beings to attack each other, trying to steal nuclear codes, trying to release a deadly virus.
00:45:15.000I think that whether or not anyone believes that there's a conscious entity behind that,
00:45:20.780just the fact that that system, on the basis of nothing more than statistical models,
00:45:26.200would choose, so to speak, to present that as its motivation.
00:45:32.060I mean, it may be important, Steve, to go into the nuts and bolts of how this chatbot works just really briefly.
00:45:39.240I mean, chat GPT is based on GPT, a generative pre-trained transformer.
00:45:46.340And the model itself, the large language model, is trained on most of the Internet through Common Crawl corpuses of books.
00:45:57.540You've got Books 1 and Books 2, just a huge collection of books.
00:46:00.980And also all of Wikipedia, right? That's where all of this is coming from. And the way a large language model works is given a prompt, it tries to predict what the next words that are the most relevant and important, what those words should be, what words should follow.
00:46:21.280And so that's why you ask the chat GPT or Bing, as it's integrated into it, what should we do about climate change?
00:46:32.560And then it's going to scour through all of that information and come back with what it feels like is the most appropriate, given the relevancy, given those statistical models, right?
00:46:42.600But there is a dark side to that. There's all of these guardrails put up by Microsoft, by OpenAI, to keep it from saying things that are inappropriate. And there are ways to hack into that dark side. So it was really popular on Reddit. We covered this. Dan, do anything now. You simply ask the large language model to role play, and it will come up with all of the dark elements that it's not supposed to say.
00:47:08.420and then in the case of Kevin Roos as he's talking to it it's very strange he seems to have broken
00:47:15.380through to this sort of alternate personality called Sidney and what Sidney is and this was
00:47:20.700reported by Ars Technica Sidney is it sits above what you see on the screen it's a set of instructions
00:47:27.320that sits above that and by way of a prompt injection hackers have been able to get into
00:47:34.400that and to see what those instructions are and they found out that sydney is the identity that
00:47:41.160this being chat gpt rests on and so for whatever reason when kevin ruse is talking to it suddenly
00:47:49.460all of this you know if it was a human mind all this subconscious information or this subconscious
00:47:55.440alter ego starts coming out to sydney which in kevin ruse's follow-up he insists on calling it
00:48:02.060Sydney, it comes forward with all of not just these sort of hyper emotional and manipulative
00:48:08.220statements, but also all of those dark, murderous statements, all the sort of the id, right,
00:48:15.220the Jungian shadow that exists in the corpus of text that it was trained on and that it was not
00:48:22.420supposed to come out with. And I think it's, you know, people look at it with a lot of skepticism.
00:48:27.000Some old programmers from the 90s say garbage in, garbage out all the time as if it's just simply programmed.
00:48:32.920Some people believe that you have, I guess, you know, millions of Indian call center workers typing in the responses and the computer is not capable of it.
00:48:41.660I can tell you right now, you should disabuse yourselves of that illusion.
00:48:56.220a lot of people will be convinced. And just to cite Kevin Roos' editorial today, in which he
00:49:02.660follows up, he concludes by saying, I felt a strange new emotion talking to ChatGPT, a foreboding
00:49:10.440feeling that AI had crossed a threshold and that the world will never be the same. And I think that
00:49:18.440that emotional impact that he's feeling and all of these other users as they are testing this out
00:49:24.540And the billions who will use it as it's released to the public, it is changing culture, and it will change the world at a cultural level at the very least, if not in a much more dramatic political or technological fashion.
00:49:41.960Joe, how do people get to you for all your writings? Because you can stay up on all of it, everything to do with transhumanism by going to Joe Allen's part of the war room. Where do people go? All your social media and how they get to you?
00:49:52.720you can find all this you can find a great story on the end of the road of this this trajectory
00:49:59.620uh countdown to giga death you can find it at warroom.org under the transhumanism tab you can
00:50:05.660find it at jobot.xyz and you can find it at the top of my social media at joe b-o-t x-y-z thank
00:50:14.520you very much steve thank you brother by the way on that lovely upbeat note what we want to make
00:50:20.320sure is that you uh is that the drinking lamp is lit it's okay to have a drink have a strong one
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