Bannon's War Room - February 23, 2023


WarRoom Battleground EP 241： The Horror Of A China⧸Russia Partnership


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While President Biden continues his trip to Europe, China s top diplomat Wang Yi met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow. What's China up to now? What are they up to? And what are they trying to do about it?

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00:00:00.000 Go while President Biden finished his trip in Europe, China's top diplomat continued his tour
00:00:12.720 of Moscow. Chinese state counselor Wang Yi met with Russian President Vladimir Putin yesterday.
00:00:18.880 What's he doing? This is like going to Vegas right now and say, hey, you know what?
00:00:23.580 Can I bet on the Red Sox winning the World Series? I want to put all my money down on the Red Sox
00:00:27.600 winning the World Series. This is one day. It's not going to happen. After Putin delivered his
00:00:32.380 national address. What's China doing? During the portion of the meeting that was public,
00:00:38.600 weapons were not discussed. But U.S. officials have warned that China could seek support
00:00:43.500 to support Russia with weapons in its war on Ukraine. Instead, Putin highlighted their
00:00:49.460 economic partnership. Because, I mean, really seriously, you look at Russia,
00:00:54.100 Russia, a country that had a smaller GDP than Texas before the war started. I mean,
00:01:00.940 if he keeps going, it's going to be Mississippi. Lowest GDP in America.
00:01:05.200 Predicting China and Russia's trade volume could reach $200 billion this year, which would be up
00:01:11.180 from $185 billion last year. They expressed once again that their relationship is strong,
00:01:18.880 with Putin adding that he looks forward to welcoming his friend, Chinese President Xi Jinping to the
00:01:25.840 Kremlin soon. You know, the thing is, Willie, I can I can only guess I the Chinese, even though 0.97
00:01:32.300 they've been acting short sighted over the past several years and been doing things that have hurt
00:01:38.500 themselves internally and across the world. I can only guess that they're that this is a public and
00:01:44.320 outward facing show of support because they know it's in their best interest for this war to end
00:01:50.700 for them to be able. We talked about them trying to cobble back together their relationships
00:01:55.300 with European powers and to move beyond this war. Make no mistake of it for a country who is struggling
00:02:02.800 right now, as China is. This war makes absolutely no sense to them. And China may be the key eventually 0.89
00:02:10.420 to ending this war. But you're right. What strange timing on the one year anniversary of the failed military
00:02:17.340 invasion that has gutted Russia economically, brought on sanctions of the world, the condemnation of the West,
00:02:23.540 all these countries where that same guy, Wang Yi, was in Europe trying to assure European capitals that China
00:02:30.020 was with them to keep their business relationships alive. And then on the one year anniversary to be in Moscow and for
00:02:35.160 China to be conducting military exercises with Russia, setting that signal. We stand with Russia in this
00:02:41.940 failed war in which war crimes are being conducted. John, you kind of get got get away from the seating
00:02:49.280 arrangement at the Kremlin today, where President Putin had no problem sitting very close across that
00:02:55.200 table with Wang Yi, the high level diplomat, foreign policy diplomat there. And I know that the United States
00:03:01.980 and others are concerned about what China might do. Do you have any evidence that the Chinese government
00:03:08.100 has made a decision to send lethal aid to Russia? Have any private companies started helping Russian
00:03:15.660 companies or the Russian military with with with, you know, information, equipment, whatever they might need?
00:03:25.760 Christian, as you know, we've been having this conversation with the Chinese government,
00:03:30.860 including at the level of President Barack Biden and President Xi Jinping, starting from before the war
00:03:37.400 began, but including the meeting in Bali in November and my boss, Secretary Blinken's meeting with Wang Yi
00:03:45.640 in Munich just this week to say that you, China, claim to be neutral in this fight. You claim to support
00:03:52.040 UN charter principles of the sovereignty of states and non-aggression. So behave that way and do not
00:03:58.600 contribute to this fight. We have had some evidence that we have shared of some Chinese companies beginning to to
00:04:08.360 dally in this pond. As you may know, a couple of weeks ago, we sanctioned a Chinese company called Space City, which was
00:04:17.040 providing geolocation information to the Wagner Group, which is fighting in Bakhmut. That sanctioning, I think, caught the Chinese by surprise. We are also looking hard now at sanctions evasion by Chinese firms. And I think when you see the big package of new sanctions that we roll out tomorrow, you'll see us trying to go after those evasion targets. But what's most important is the conversation that we're having at top levels, where we're making clear that we're not going to be able to do it. And I think when you see the big package of new sanctions that we roll out tomorrow, you'll see us trying to go after those evasion targets.
00:04:47.040 I think that there will be very strong consequences in our bilateral relationship and in China's global reputation if it gets into this fight.
00:04:56.040 But it is getting into this fight, at least diplomatically, it's chosen on the eve of this war not to come here, but to go there and sit closely and talk about, you know, both, you know, the crisis that they need to exit from, you know, their eternal friendship. Why do you think, you know, strategically, diplomatically, China would take this decision to cozy up to what's now looks like a losing bet by Russia? Why?
00:05:26.040 Well, I'm not going to get into the heads of Chinese leaders. I do know that Putin for a very long time has been standing outside Xi Jinping's doorway asking him for more, more, more. And the Chinese have largely chosen not to answer that that call.
00:05:49.020 They do believe and claim that they can be peacemakers in this and that they will have some ideas unveiled tomorrow. Frankly, if the Chinese can get Putin to end this war and go home, I think we'd all be happy to give them a peace prize. But we have to see what these conversations are about.
00:06:08.380 The US is
00:06:33.680 据报道 二战结束以来 美国试图推翻五十多个外国政府 粗暴干涉至少三十个国家的选举 试图暗杀五十余位外国领导人 美国还是挑动阵营对立对抗的最大源头 美国领导下的北约对阿富汗 伊拉克 叙利亚的战争导致超过九十万人死亡 三千七百万人沦为难民
00:06:59.680 美国的霸权政策和好战倾向延续一天 世界就将一天不得安理
00:07:07.780 It's Thursday 23 February in the year of our Lord 2023. Open the second hour here. And we played Morning Joe because that's the mouthpiece of the conventional wisdom in your nation's capital. And also that's Victoria Nuland.
00:07:24.540 For those of you that are not watching us on streaming service or any of the Real America's Voice or Lindell TV or Hulu, wherever you see the TV version, if you listen to the podcast or to on radio, the second was Victoria Nuland.
00:07:41.340 And that was, she's the architect at the State Department of this entire fiasco. She's been on this for a decade.
00:07:50.560 I wanted to bring it up for the immaturity, the lack of historical understanding with people like Joe Scarborough, who's never been anywhere in the world, right?
00:08:02.340 Just a complete dangerous clown and more dangerous clown, Victoria Nuland. 1.00
00:08:08.220 This has been very well thought through by these regional power Russia and an emerging global power, the Chinese Communist Party.
00:08:18.400 This is a merger of the KGB and the CCP, two transnational criminal organizations that are in a very rapid movement to consolidate the Eurasian landmass.
00:08:27.720 And now with news we've got coming out of the Secretary of the Navy also to come at the United States with our Mahan strategy, the old British Royal Navy strategy of controlling the ports and the waterways and the straits, the choke points to come after us on our naval presence too.
00:08:45.340 We're going to get into all of it.
00:08:46.120 And in the meantime, Russia, which is just the regional power, as we've argued for years, a regional power, however, armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons, we brought that in. 0.89
00:08:57.720 I want to go, I've got, I've asked Bradley Thayer and Frank Gaffney are two of the smartest guys.
00:09:03.160 I know not just smart with knowledge, you see a lot of people on TV and they, they know all this stuff, but actually have wisdom, judgment, discernment.
00:09:10.620 Frank, you've been in this business a long time, right?
00:09:13.620 I mean, you were part of the Reagan administration over DOD.
00:09:16.420 You've been engaged.
00:09:17.620 I mean, this is what your professional life has been about.
00:09:20.520 Have you ever seen it more dangerous in your time as a, as a senior defense official and somebody who's been engaged in this for what, 40 years plus than it is right now?
00:09:33.120 And I'd like you to opine to the immaturity and lack of knowledge of, of like the people in Morning Joe.
00:09:40.080 And they spout this every day out there as like set doctrine.
00:09:43.540 Frank Gaffney.
00:09:46.020 Steve, I think this makes the Cold War at its height pale by comparison.
00:09:51.040 For the simple reason that we now are facing a Soviet Union style nuclear capability on steroids in Russia as a direct result of an immense buildup that has taken place.
00:10:07.060 I think the last count I heard was that there are something like 22 new nuclear systems of various characters and types that have been put into place by the Kremlin in the past 10 years or so.
00:10:23.440 So, including some that Putin has just announced are going to be either deployed like the Sarmat system, the huge heavy intercontinental range ballistic missile known in NATO as Satan 2, appropriately enough, capable of delivering 10 nuclear warheads and hypersonic missiles, both ground and sea launched and a new class of ballistic missile submarines.
00:10:51.860 But in addition to all of that, we're now looking at a whole nother superpower with similar kinds of advanced strategic and other nuclear weapons in the form of the Chinese Communist Party's strategic rockets and tactical and theater nuclear forces.
00:11:15.160 The worst of it is that these powers, the Russians on the one hand under Vladimir Putin, the Chinese under Xi Jinping, have in recent years been engaging in a series of strategic nuclear exercises in which they have simulated thermonuclear attacks against their common enemy, namely us.
00:11:39.200 That's a whole order of magnitude more dangerous situation than we've seen in the past, as well as the fact that these guys are rather insistently now talking up the idea of actually using these nuclear weapons against us.
00:11:52.460 Bradley, drafting over what Frank said, when you hear this thing about a failed war and why is China there and it's going to be ridiculous, you see the thought that the Chinese have.
00:12:05.460 And by the way, they've been working on this for years.
00:12:07.140 They signed this pact during the, I think, Winter Olympics last year, which I consider now what they're doing now, like the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
00:12:16.140 We're in 1939.
00:12:17.400 We're in 1938 with Hong Kong.
00:12:19.840 Nobody stood up there.
00:12:21.420 That was Czechoslovakia.
00:12:22.840 Now we're in 1939.
00:12:24.940 And people, I think, forget the history.
00:12:26.400 And when Molotov and Ribbentrop, the Germans and the Russians, signed the deal, their partnership, I think it was two and a half, three weeks later, Poland was invaded.
00:12:36.340 I mean, the official kickoff, I think World War II started earlier, but the official kickoff is one September 1939 in Poland.
00:12:42.840 It's right after the day, it's just right after they signed their deal to work together and pick apart Poland. 1.00
00:12:49.580 The immaturity of Victoria Nuland, the immaturity of Morning Joe, and then we ended that with a senior Chinese statement, a statement that just threw down and said, hey, the United States are warmongers. 0.74
00:13:02.340 You've only been at peace 16 years of your total existence.
00:13:05.320 After World War II, you overthrew 50 governments.
00:13:07.700 You've killed 50 leaders.
00:13:09.160 You're nothing but a bunch of warmongers.
00:13:11.580 What is your assessment, sir?
00:13:13.260 Well, my assessment with respect to that is I wish we added one more into the governments we've overthrown, and that was the Chinese Communist Party.
00:13:24.660 Sadly, we weren't able to do that, Steve.
00:13:27.480 And let's hope we're able to do that at some point in the not-too-distant future.
00:13:33.180 Look, these remarks are to be expected.
00:13:35.920 Frank's point is exactly right, that right now we're facing the combined—increasingly, we're facing the nuclear threats of Russia and China.
00:13:47.160 Our nuclear deterrent capabilities were really only designed to deal with one peer competitor, the Soviet Union, in the course of the Cold War, and Russia in the post-Cold War period.
00:13:57.640 Now, U.S. Strategic Command is having to think through in a way which is stressing the force, because we have too few nuclear weapons and too few conventional weapons to deal with the threats that we face from Russia as well as China.
00:14:16.480 And so it didn't have to be this way, certainly.
00:14:21.440 China is the existential threat that the United States faces. 1.00
00:14:24.860 If China does go ahead and arm Russia overtly, then, of course, that puts the engagement school in a box.
00:14:36.140 The engagement school wants to engage, cooperate with China, and it wants to fight its war with Russia.
00:14:42.620 If China overtly is arming Russia, then the engagers are going to have a major problem.
00:14:50.960 That may be a bridge too far, even for the engagement school.
00:14:54.860 Given their focus on Russia.
00:14:58.040 So, I think we need to recognize also, Steve, the fact that China probably has been covertly arming Russia.
00:15:07.260 And helping Russia in every way that they can.
00:15:10.680 Is China helping Russia?
00:15:12.320 Of course they are.
00:15:13.940 Diplomatically.
00:15:14.500 You remember in September of last year in Uzbekistan at the Samarkand meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, where Xi stood with Putin.
00:15:25.560 And as you've stressed many times, it was Xi that really gave the green light to Russia before the invasion of February of 21.
00:15:33.240 But we see diplomatically their assistance.
00:15:35.960 We see economically the assistance that China is giving.
00:15:39.300 So China is in the fight on Russia's side.
00:15:43.220 And we need to recognize that.
00:15:45.460 And that makes China very happy. 0.94
00:15:47.880 Because we are so focused on Ukraine.
00:15:51.560 And we're not focused on what China is doing around the world, particularly against Taiwan and our interests there.
00:15:58.960 Before I go back to Frank, I just want to reiterate something, is that they announced today, just a little while ago, that they were going to, if China had any more rubbing up and hugging on Putin, they were going to release intelligence to show that they had been arming them covertly.
00:16:17.320 Note to everybody in the world, as we have said, since they signed that pact, they have provided massive, non-lethal military assistance.
00:16:26.920 And I strongly believe, and I think we report here, they've been covertly sending military.
00:16:35.060 This is no surprise to anybody, Dr. Thayer, that is in this line of country, as I say, that works in this line of country.
00:16:43.260 This is only a surprise to the Victoria Nuland that comes on from the State Department to spread lies and misinformation, and people like the Morning Joe set. 0.88
00:16:53.160 Everybody that follows this understands their working partnership, do we not, Dr. Bradley Thayer?
00:17:00.960 That's right.
00:17:01.960 Steve, you're spot on.
00:17:04.600 China has been helping Russia in every way that it can.
00:17:07.600 And when the history of this war is written, we're going to, when the historians get into this, we're going to see that there was a lot of covert military support for Russia.
00:17:19.180 And it's just a question of when that becomes overt.
00:17:22.840 Again, the Chinese, of course, aren't going to do themselves any favors with the engagement school if they do make that overt military, essentially, if the overt military support to Russia.
00:17:37.600 But that's not going to stop them.
00:17:42.160 Frank, this is why the water under your keel that you've had is actually helpful here, because this is why I think it's much more dangerous than the height of the Cold War.
00:17:53.800 And I was, what, a naval officer from 76, I think, to 83 in that timeframe in the Western Pacific, in the Pentagon for the last couple of years, but the Western Pacific, South China Sea, Indian Ocean, on a destroyer, where the Soviet Union, our mission was to, you know, to track fast attack submarines that would challenge the battle group.
00:18:15.480 But even the debates we had at that time, there were debates, and some people, you know, they had the nuclear weapons that were put into Europe, and there were a million people marches and, you know, and protests, and we were warmongers, and Reagan's a warmonger.
00:18:28.080 But there's something deeper and more insidious here.
00:18:31.760 Even the American elite seem to at least be bound together with a set of principles, although there was vast disagreement.
00:18:37.820 There is something deeply wrong here.
00:18:40.640 This is just outright lying to the American people every day and treating them like schoolchildren every day on just some basic fundamental facts of this new axis, of the KGB, the CCP, the Ayatollahs and Mullahs in Persia, Erdogan in Turkey.
00:18:58.980 I don't care if he's in NATO.
00:18:59.880 Erdogan in Turkey throwing the House of Saudi Arabia, now Iraq, who just announced today they're going to take their big output deal with China.
00:19:06.580 They're going to use RMB to settle in it, not petrodollars, not U.S. dollars.
00:19:11.000 You're throwing Pakistan, and let's be throwing mini-me up in North Korea. 0.98
00:19:15.380 Did you ever see it where just the lies and misrepresentations of what the reality of the world is like, even in the worst, the most divisive parts of the Cold War?
00:19:27.220 Let me make three points real quick.
00:19:30.040 You're right.
00:19:30.860 That's a new sort of stage we're in.
00:19:34.300 Partly, the reason I say we're in far more dangerous waters than we were at the height of the Cold War is, in addition to the points I made about the Russian modernization, the Chinese modernization, we have not engaged in basically any modernization of our arsenal since I left the Pentagon back in 1988.
00:19:55.880 We haven't tested our nuclear weapons, we haven't tested our nuclear weapons, we haven't been serious about them.
00:20:01.180 Our defense industrial support for that critical deterrence has been essentially allowed to atrophy.
00:20:08.040 And every single one of these enemies, you mentioned a number of them besides the Russians and Chinese, have taken our measure. 0.65
00:20:14.080 And that's why deterrence is in extreme jeopardy.
00:20:18.060 And yes, are government officials lying to us?
00:20:21.900 You bet they are, in part because most of them are, I think, people who have betrayed our country to the Chinese Communist Party. 0.83
00:20:29.860 I used to say they were compromised, but that's too generous a term.
00:20:34.180 They've betrayed us.
00:20:35.380 And here's a thought on, just a thought experiment.
00:20:38.580 You talk about, and Brad's absolutely right, that Chinese have been helping the Russians all along. 1.00
00:20:44.560 I follow the money, is the famous expression.
00:20:47.600 That's our money.
00:20:48.700 I say this every time I'm on with you.
00:20:50.860 You can bet that what the Chinese are paying for oil and food and other commodities from the Russians is, at least in part, a function of our pension funds being used by them. 0.82
00:21:03.240 But here's the thought experiment, Steve.
00:21:06.140 If they wanted to send covert arms to the Russians, what would be better than taking some of those $85 billion worth of American arms that we surrendered to the Taliban with no Chinese fingerprints into the fray in the Ukraine?
00:21:26.640 I bet you dickles to dollars that's going to be found to have happened at some point.
00:21:32.060 But either that way or other ways, you can bet that they will be making it possible for the Ukrainian people to be further ground to a pulp by the Russians. 0.93
00:21:42.940 And we just did, by the way, a terrific webinar on this very subject.
00:21:46.500 It'll be posted at Present Danger China shortly.
00:21:49.820 I strongly commend it to all of your audience.
00:21:52.220 As I do with the new book that we've just written, with your encouragement, entitled The Indictment, which we hope to have out shortly.
00:21:59.060 We're going to get to the indictment in just a second.
00:22:02.660 Give me the name of the webinar.
00:22:04.000 I want to make sure everybody gets a push out.
00:22:05.420 What's the name of the webinar?
00:22:06.880 The webinar is the one that we'll post, I believe, probably later tonight.
00:22:10.620 And the title of it is, Is Ukraine the CCP's First Front?
00:22:18.240 The idea being that there will be a second in the Pacific.
00:22:21.180 Let's pivot for a second.
00:22:27.580 Bradley, I'll start with you, and I want to come back to Frank.
00:22:29.980 If you heard Morning Joe and you heard Victoria Nuland, give me the Dr. Bradley Thayer reality check.
00:22:36.320 Where, in your mind, exactly are we with the Chinese Communist Party right now and their involvement, this partnership with Russia and their evolving plan that they have for the consolidation of the Eurasian landmass?
00:22:51.580 And if you were on the set of Morning Joe today, what would be your response to what they put out?
00:22:56.420 Well, my response would be the following, in that the remarks that they're identifying or that Victoria Nuland is touting is simply wrong.
00:23:10.400 They've consistently threat deflated.
00:23:12.960 They consistently underestimate the China threat.
00:23:16.760 And they've done that for decades.
00:23:18.600 They've done that for years.
00:23:20.060 Their obsession, their day-fix is Russia. 0.94
00:23:23.740 And they continue to ignore the China threat, this existential threat that wants to kill us. 0.99
00:23:29.100 It wants to supplant the United States.
00:23:31.160 It wants to overturn our alliance relationships.
00:23:36.040 It wants to defeat the United States.
00:23:40.960 That is everything.
00:23:42.200 Steve, as you've stressed time and again, and so has Frank, that all of our energies have to be marshaled to deal with that threat, not sideshows like Russia or Ukraine.
00:23:56.460 Now, as a result of what the Biden administration has done, increasingly tightening the commitment to Ukraine, we're further down, we're further locked into a sideshow rather than being focused on China.
00:24:10.620 And China, of course, is dancing in the streets at continuation of U.S. strategic stupidity, at having its energy sucked up in Ukraine and the Russo-Ukrainian war, rather than focusing on it. 0.59
00:24:28.300 And, Steve, to the point that you made, and Frank did, too, this isn't the Cold War, because in the Cold War we had a nuclear infrastructure and a conventional defense industrial base that was responsive.
00:24:44.260 It actually could generate ships. 0.96
00:24:46.100 It could generate nuclear weapons.
00:24:47.840 We're not there anymore, right?
00:24:50.220 I mean, this is like going out to your garage and thinking that your 1952 Dodge is going to turn over, right?
00:24:56.960 You haven't done anything to it for a very long time, and it's not going to start, right?
00:25:02.540 You're going to have to invest a lot of money to getting that thing going again.
00:25:06.720 So, like, you know, as the Secretary of the Navy identified as stating the obvious, Chinese are cranking out ships at a pace, at a scale that we simply could not match. 0.98
00:25:20.520 And that's going to matter in a war of attrition against China, which, sadly, we may find ourselves in if deterrence fails.
00:25:28.800 And deterrence is failing because we haven't modernized our nukes, our nuclear weapons infrastructure, our nuclear capabilities, and our military, our conventional military.
00:25:38.980 So we're in a very dangerous situation.
00:25:42.520 It's very precarious.
00:25:43.700 The thing we never had in the Cold War after, I mean, we had Vietnam, we had Korea, but you never had the type of industrial war.
00:25:51.860 You've got an old-fashioned World War I, World War II war of attrition in Ukraine that is sucking all the resources. 1.00
00:25:59.100 And I say just not monetarily, but also in Frank Gaffney, I've known Frank for, I think, going on 20 years now.
00:26:05.480 Frank has preached the gospel of our industrial base and how we don't have it anymore.
00:26:10.180 And you've seen that.
00:26:10.720 I tell you, we're going to take a short commercial break.
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00:31:01.500 War Room Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon.
00:31:14.100 Okay.
00:31:14.620 I'm joined by Frank Gaffney and Dr. Bradley Thayer.
00:31:17.300 Frank, you have preached this for many, many years, and my dad did too, for years and years and years.
00:31:22.300 He said, hey, you're stripping your industrial base.
00:31:24.240 When it comes down to it, you're not going to be able to make the tanks, but you're particularly not going to be able to make the shells, the bullets, all of it, when you really have to fight a major war.
00:31:31.100 And people just, you know, laughed it off.
00:31:33.400 And then when you had the war of terror and then the conflicts we had in Iraq and Afghanistan, which were like skirmishes, not full-scale battles like they're having in Ukraine right now.
00:31:42.940 When Thayer says this, how bad is your assessment right now with the obligations and commitments this government's made to rearming Ukraine that is supposedly firing 5,000 shells a day, artillery shells, 5,000 a day?
00:31:59.280 The Russians are firing 20,000 a day.
00:32:01.560 I don't know how many of the Ukrainians are, the 5,000.
00:32:04.200 I think they may take a little off the top and monetize it somewhere else, just something for the effort.
00:32:10.020 But how bad is it right now, our industrial base, the ability to rearm our armed forces in the Pacific and particularly our allies in Taiwan?
00:32:18.780 Again, this comes down to deterrence, Steve.
00:32:23.300 The cumulative effects of what we have done.
00:32:26.240 And we talked about the atrophying of our nuclear enterprise.
00:32:30.140 It's just one example.
00:32:31.640 More generally, I remember that when Bill Clinton took office, he brought Les Aspen, one of the most leftist members of Congress, in as his secretary of defense.
00:32:41.440 And shortly after he got there, he held a confab with the defense contractors, the people who led what was still a pretty formidable Cold War residual industrial base.
00:32:53.360 And he said, there's not going to be enough money for all of you guys.
00:32:55.520 You're going to have to consolidate.
00:32:56.720 You're going to have to shrink.
00:32:57.560 Some of you are going to go out of business.
00:32:59.560 And that's what happened.
00:33:00.380 And as a result, we find ourselves confronting this problem that you talked about, which is we're sending much of what we have now.
00:33:08.800 And we've not only depleted our own arsenal here at home, we've been raiding what we have forward deployed in South Korea, which we may well need there shortly.
00:33:20.280 And Israel, which with Iran going nuclear any day now, we may well need there as well. 0.71
00:33:26.360 And we're putting that all into Ukraine.
00:33:28.360 Brad got it exactly right.
00:33:29.760 This is at the expense of our preparedness for dealing with China. 0.84
00:33:34.500 But more broadly, Steve, it's the combination of all of that and the obsolescence of an awful lot of what we have in the inventory today, particularly in the nuclear side, and the perception that the leadership of our country is now not simply going to be disinclined to defend us against China,
00:33:57.980 or China and Russia, or China and Russia, as the case may be, but are actively working with and for the Chinese Communist Party.
00:34:05.940 I mean, that's a sweeping allegation, but we're going to talk much more about it in the days to come.
00:34:11.020 Trust me on this, because the Congress is going to have to get into the elite capture, a centerpiece of the indictment, by the way, of what they've done to us and the leadership, not just in the political space, but in the business community, most especially on Wall Street, in media, in culture, on the academic campuses and so on.
00:34:32.760 This is the fruit of a long-term, patient effort to take us down.
00:34:39.940 It's well advanced, and I fear that we're at a point now where if we don't man up urgently and remove from office those who are currently batting for the other team,
00:34:52.700 the Chinese and the other enemies of this country will not only be emboldened to take us on, they will go for it. 1.00
00:34:59.360 Dr. Thayer, is the attitude they've taken, like the last individual we showed, saying the United States is a bunch of warmongers when they're supposed to be, you know, morning during, oh, they're in, they're going to be in Moscow, but nothing's going to happen.
00:35:16.580 Is the launch of the spy airship, is the, particularly on the 20th, when they knew we had it, but we're still going to try to go over, Blinken's still going to try to go over and have a meeting and kowtow to him.
00:35:28.080 Does the fact that we didn't send, as you wanted to, we didn't shut down the consulates, call the ambassador over, read him the riot act, you know, sanction the senior members of the Chinese Communist Party,
00:35:38.940 is all of these cumulative actions that we failed to do, do they so disrespect us now and think so little of us in your mind that they think of us as a tributary state?
00:35:47.940 We have a huge problem with our credibility under the Biden administration.
00:35:56.480 When this individual declares that we're warmongers, I think our response, of course, should be that we have liberated.
00:36:06.340 We are the greatest source of freedom in international politics, who've generated, essentially, the long peace.
00:36:14.160 We've generated a period of tremendous stability in international politics, and it was U.S. military power that really was the bedrock of that.
00:36:22.580 So far from being warmongers, we're the greatest source of peace and stability in international politics there is.
00:36:29.400 Now, when he's going on, the 11th commandment is not that the U.S. gets to be the dominant state forever, right?
00:36:37.100 The 11th commandment is not that if, you know, we don't have to do anything and all things will go our way.
00:36:44.100 We've lost tremendous credibility in our alliances and with China because of the fecklessness of Biden administration's actions, beginning at Anchorage, where the Chinese officials essentially read them the riot act, Anthony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, in a meeting at Anchorage, and they stayed there and took the abuse rather than walking out, which is what you should have done when the U.S. is insulted.
00:37:09.600 And we've seen this time and again, Afghanistan, we've seen this in the very weak response to a host of issues, the balloon simply, and most dramatically, we should have shot that thing down right when it entered our airspace, protecting our sovereignty. 0.82
00:37:30.980 And as you've noted, of course, we allowed that to flow, which was a very important political weapon directed by the Chinese Communist Party against us.
00:37:41.360 They're telling the American people that they can kill the American people, they have the ability to reach the homeland, and the Biden administration won't do anything about that, which hurts our alliance relationships.
00:37:52.720 There are countries like Japan and Australia looking to us, partners like Taiwan and India, and then, of course, that emboldens our enemies, like North Korea, Iran, and, of course, China.
00:38:05.200 China.
00:38:06.200 And then to have the Chinese essentially try to take a victory lap with the balloon, with the meetings essentially in Moscow, and then, of course, Xi's forthcoming meeting with Putin in the months to come.
00:38:24.600 it just shows the Biden administration is incredibly weak and needs to reverse course
00:38:30.740 immediately because deterrence is about fundamentally political calculations like
00:38:38.100 credibility the willingness to issue a threat and to have that believed and also military
00:38:45.760 capabilities our military capabilities are not what they should be and our political considerations
00:38:52.360 are weak because of the lack of credibility in this area so deterrence is under tremendous stress
00:39:01.360 with this administration and it has to be addressed immediately the reports of the Wall
00:39:08.700 Street Journal today that there are some U.S. troops overtly in Taiwan is a great first step but there
00:39:16.780 needs to be a lot more of that and soon and frankly as you've noted as Frank noted right the defense
00:39:25.620 industrial base can't produce the materials that we need soon enough and so you know even if we were
00:39:34.880 to go to ocean navy strategy which is what we should do going back to 1940 Steve as you've noted very
00:39:42.440 importantly to build the navy that can deal with the China threat as well as the other problems that
00:39:47.980 we have it's going to take time you just can't turn the essentially obviously the naval yards on like a
00:39:55.100 light switch it's going to take tremendous effort and it's going to take years of effort as del toro
00:40:00.900 identified today in order to bring about the force structure that we need and what's true of the navy
00:40:06.920 is true of the army it's true of the marine corps it's true of the air force uh as well all of the
00:40:12.560 services need to be augmented but we need to have leadership to do that and we need to have credible
00:40:18.800 leadership to do that and sadly uh this is failing with the biden administration
00:40:23.880 frank i got a couple of minutes i don't want to give away the punchline to the indictment but the
00:40:29.180 concept of the indictment what you're coming forward in and you're saying something different than just
00:40:34.220 incompetence and failure you're you and the committee on the present danger is making a more
00:40:39.960 fundamental basic and quite frankly scary case against the national security leadership of this
00:40:46.260 nation particularly the biden regime correct yeah it's really an indictment both of the chinese 0.93
00:40:51.920 communist party for the war crimes they've committed against our people unprovoked over a long period of 0.55
00:40:59.980 time to this point not of the kinetic kind to be sure but of a whole host of others and we enumerate
00:41:06.520 them very carefully but also uh the crimes against humanity that they've perpetrated mostly against
00:41:13.240 their own people but aspire to um perpetuate and uh impose elsewhere as well if they can become the
00:41:20.900 world's hegemon but it's also an indictment of their friends the people in this country who have
00:41:26.760 enabled all of that and i've mentioned a number of them in the sectors that they're in uh joe biden is
00:41:32.920 at the top of that list as the commander in chief it is a scandal of the highest order a national security
00:41:40.040 threat for that matter and we're arguing in the indictment that has nine separate charges against the
00:41:48.680 chinese communist party and its friends that there are some 20 steps at a minimum that need to be taken
00:41:55.460 now if we're to do the sorts of things that uh my friend and colleague brett thayer has just talked
00:42:01.340 about and more to try to right the ship to try to uh maximize deterrence to buy us time to stave off
00:42:09.840 possibly an imminent kinetic shooting war phase of this unrestricted war against us and thereby preserve
00:42:17.600 our country and enable us to bequeath to our children and our children's children of the freedoms that
00:42:24.580 we've enjoyed okay we're going to launch the indictment next week at cpac in a big launch and
00:42:30.360 we'll have more information about that frank how do people get to the committee in present danger how
00:42:34.000 they get to uh center for security policy your all your writings and particularly your uh your
00:42:39.820 social media thank you steve uh the book is really drawn from the best of the webinars that we've done
00:42:47.000 brad's been on some of them you have as well at present danger china.org the website for the center
00:42:53.040 for security policy which is one of the sponsors for the committee is secure freedom.org um our show
00:43:00.280 it's real america's voices at securing america.tv and i'm at frank gaffney all over the place
00:43:07.040 thank you frank honor to have you on here thank you for giving us your uh wisdom and your judgment
00:43:13.260 bradley thayer you give us your coordinates sir yes steve thanks uh i'm uh at b thayer at the
00:43:20.840 center for security policy and then bradley thayer and uh on social media uh thanks steve very much for
00:43:26.380 calling attention to this and continue to work the issue oh no every day this is my this is our calling
00:43:33.280 to take down the ccp to assist the lao baijing to take him down uh real quickly your the book uh you 0.80
00:43:38.660 and uh uh lin chow just came out was fantastic what's the title and and bradley thayer wrote
00:43:44.940 understanding the china threat lin chow is the best fantastic book i i devoured it in one sitting it
00:43:53.120 was that good thank you sir honor to have you on here thank you very much steve the third world war
00:44:00.140 is going to be quite different than the other wars that we fought you're still going to have the blood
00:44:04.080 and the uh and the tears and the agonies you see in uh in the ukraine every day uh in the constant
00:44:10.200 shelling it looks like world war one but it's also a battlefield that is enormously complicated and
00:44:15.920 sophisticated uh away from just the uh the old-fashioned uh artillery shells hitting you like
00:44:22.440 back in napoleon's war we got a cold open then we're gonna bring our own joe allen in to get us up to
00:44:26.760 speed just like any mobile device these days it has cameras and sensors and just like your phones
00:44:34.140 and social media apps it does facial recognition inside here is three grams of shaped explosive
00:44:43.040 explosive this is how it works did you see that that little bang is enough to penetrate the skull
00:45:04.640 and destroy the contents they used to say guns don't kill people people do well people don't
00:45:12.520 they get emotional disobey orders aim high let's watch the weapons make the decisions
00:45:20.840 now trust me these were all bad guys
00:45:25.840 now that is an airstrike of surgical precision
00:45:33.860 it's one of a range of products trained as a team they can penetrate buildings cars trains
00:45:42.040 evade people bullets pretty much any countermeasure they cannot be stopped
00:45:48.400 joe allen i knew a lot of this advanced technology we talk about all the time uh in in addition to
00:45:58.420 hurtling towards the singularity it was going to have a good old-fashioned uh swords not plowshares
00:46:04.160 uh involvement walk me through what we just saw it sounds beyond scary steve uh that's a film
00:46:11.920 slaughter bots produced by the future of life institute or future of uh is founded by max tegmark he's
00:46:19.200 basically a pro-transhumanism pro-ai pacifist but what the technologies they're warning about are in
00:46:28.480 development and there's really no way until they're deployed to know or or exhibited to know whether or not
00:46:37.140 anything like that is right around the corner or years on down the road or ever but you know we were
00:46:43.860 discussing uh about a week and a half ago eric schmidt and his argument that the real ai arms race
00:46:50.740 is between the west and the east between the u.s and china and eric schmidt has just started to back
00:46:58.860 a new company uh ishtari that company is working on drone technology very similar to what you saw there
00:47:06.880 uh if i could uh read a quote from a wired article the title of that wired article is eric schmidt
00:47:13.500 is building the perfect ai war fighting machine and the author of the article describes the project
00:47:21.200 that ishtari is basically an internet of things with a deadly twist and schmidt says it would build a
00:47:29.280 large number of inexpensive devices that were highly mobile that were attributable and those devices
00:47:36.240 or drones would have sensors or weapons and they would be networked together so basically what
00:47:43.800 they're working on is exactly that what was exhibited in that fictional film slaughterbots and the idea is
00:47:51.960 that instead of relying solely on old-fashioned weaponry the artillery uh old-fashioned uh war fighting jets
00:48:00.920 things like this and especially the sort of uh you know men going into combat in cities you would
00:48:07.380 be able to target specific individuals with these drones uh and because of the swarm technology you
00:48:14.380 would most likely be able to evade any sort of countermeasures that didn't involve scrambling the
00:48:19.920 signal now if i think that the tension that it highlights steve in this this ai race right the race to the
00:48:27.880 singularity is that there are i think legitimate reasons uh for developing and deploying these
00:48:35.020 things even if i myself am against them i do understand the motive and the incentive behind it
00:48:41.260 you have uh peter teal and uh alex carp at palantir doing very much the same you have darpa funding these
00:48:49.040 public private partnerships all over the place uh but i i i personally see it going nowhere but uh
00:48:56.120 towards tragedy it's still a tension that has to be addressed when you have an enemy like china that's 1.00
00:49:02.800 trying to develop something very much like that or if we end up in a shooting war with russia and they
00:49:07.520 have an ai uh driven ai guided torpedo nuclear tip torpedo like poseidon well then what do you do
00:49:15.780 so this is much like what we talked about yesterday with the tension between uh agi and world government
00:49:22.280 i think you also have a tension between trying to reduce the the amount of or reduce the advancement
00:49:28.620 of artificial intelligence put right face to face with the existential crises that we face
00:49:35.040 with uh adversaries like russia and china you know there's two things uh and we're going to get into
00:49:43.360 this more tomorrow um and over the weekend i think on saturday we're going to have an incredible just
00:49:49.240 a special on tying together exactly what's happening in the world in this third world war
00:49:53.480 two things number one we've already been not just accused i think we've admitted we're using
00:49:58.040 artificial intelligence to do advanced target acquisition for the ukrainians we're doing it from
00:50:04.040 remote locations probably in poland and in countries of nato maybe here in the u.s but we're actually a
00:50:10.040 combatant and we're doing we're using our ai technology it's one of the reasons that the
00:50:15.000 ukrainians with all their bravery and courage have been able to kind of hang on because they they've got
00:50:20.560 a order of magnitude more sophisticated at least in this ai on target acquisition that's what's being
00:50:24.980 talked about right now the other thing that's very disturbing is that peter yeah palantir the other
00:50:31.380 thing that's very disturbing is that um peter teal when he makes the argument i think it was at
00:50:36.380 oxford with this clip you had or he showed me the speech even at oxford he goes look i'm against ai
00:50:42.040 you got to really slow it down we got to you know this could be a problem there's some good
00:50:46.460 advances for humanity but you got to watch it however comma if uh we're going to have to continue
00:50:52.260 in the ai arms race because china is pretty far down the road so we still got to do this 1.00
00:50:57.180 what is your give me your assessment of of both of those we got about 45 seconds and we're going
00:51:01.720 to have you back tomorrow give me your assessment of that uh like i say steve i think that uh teal
00:51:07.400 schmidt as much as i oppose the projects they're working on and especially as much as i i have
00:51:12.520 misgivings about the direction that that ai development will go i do understand the motive
00:51:18.060 behind it just like i understand the economic and social motives behind things like the chatbots
00:51:22.960 i personally have the sense that this will end up in just the same sorts of kind of uh potentially
00:51:29.380 hellish scenarios that nuclear weapons have led us right to the edge of we'll see what happens
00:51:34.900 okay my man uh how do people get to you all your writings all your great material
00:51:41.620 jobot.xyz warroom.org under the transhumanism tab and my social media get her in twitter
00:51:48.560 at joe b-o-t-x-y-z thank you very much steve
00:51:52.660 joe allen thank you so much okay we're back here at 10 a.m eastern standard time tomorrow morning
00:51:59.520 i'll probably be up on getter throughout the evening check it out we'll see you back here
00:52:04.020 in the war room tomorrow morning 10 a.m eastern time
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