While President Biden continues his trip to Europe, China s top diplomat Wang Yi met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow. What's China up to now? What are they up to? And what are they trying to do about it?
00:00:00.000Go while President Biden finished his trip in Europe, China's top diplomat continued his tour
00:00:12.720of Moscow. Chinese state counselor Wang Yi met with Russian President Vladimir Putin yesterday.
00:00:18.880What's he doing? This is like going to Vegas right now and say, hey, you know what?
00:00:23.580Can I bet on the Red Sox winning the World Series? I want to put all my money down on the Red Sox
00:00:27.600winning the World Series. This is one day. It's not going to happen. After Putin delivered his
00:00:32.380national address. What's China doing? During the portion of the meeting that was public,
00:00:38.600weapons were not discussed. But U.S. officials have warned that China could seek support
00:00:43.500to support Russia with weapons in its war on Ukraine. Instead, Putin highlighted their
00:00:49.460economic partnership. Because, I mean, really seriously, you look at Russia,
00:00:54.100Russia, a country that had a smaller GDP than Texas before the war started. I mean,
00:01:00.940if he keeps going, it's going to be Mississippi. Lowest GDP in America.
00:01:05.200Predicting China and Russia's trade volume could reach $200 billion this year, which would be up
00:01:11.180from $185 billion last year. They expressed once again that their relationship is strong,
00:01:18.880with Putin adding that he looks forward to welcoming his friend, Chinese President Xi Jinping to the
00:01:25.840Kremlin soon. You know, the thing is, Willie, I can I can only guess I the Chinese, even though
00:01:32.300they've been acting short sighted over the past several years and been doing things that have hurt
00:01:38.500themselves internally and across the world. I can only guess that they're that this is a public and
00:01:44.320outward facing show of support because they know it's in their best interest for this war to end
00:01:50.700for them to be able. We talked about them trying to cobble back together their relationships
00:01:55.300with European powers and to move beyond this war. Make no mistake of it for a country who is struggling
00:02:02.800right now, as China is. This war makes absolutely no sense to them. And China may be the key eventually
00:02:10.420to ending this war. But you're right. What strange timing on the one year anniversary of the failed military
00:02:17.340invasion that has gutted Russia economically, brought on sanctions of the world, the condemnation of the West,
00:02:23.540all these countries where that same guy, Wang Yi, was in Europe trying to assure European capitals that China
00:02:30.020was with them to keep their business relationships alive. And then on the one year anniversary to be in Moscow and for
00:02:35.160China to be conducting military exercises with Russia, setting that signal. We stand with Russia in this
00:02:41.940failed war in which war crimes are being conducted. John, you kind of get got get away from the seating
00:02:49.280arrangement at the Kremlin today, where President Putin had no problem sitting very close across that
00:02:55.200table with Wang Yi, the high level diplomat, foreign policy diplomat there. And I know that the United States
00:03:01.980and others are concerned about what China might do. Do you have any evidence that the Chinese government
00:03:08.100has made a decision to send lethal aid to Russia? Have any private companies started helping Russian
00:03:15.660companies or the Russian military with with with, you know, information, equipment, whatever they might need?
00:03:25.760Christian, as you know, we've been having this conversation with the Chinese government,
00:03:30.860including at the level of President Barack Biden and President Xi Jinping, starting from before the war
00:03:37.400began, but including the meeting in Bali in November and my boss, Secretary Blinken's meeting with Wang Yi
00:03:45.640in Munich just this week to say that you, China, claim to be neutral in this fight. You claim to support
00:03:52.040UN charter principles of the sovereignty of states and non-aggression. So behave that way and do not
00:03:58.600contribute to this fight. We have had some evidence that we have shared of some Chinese companies beginning to to
00:04:08.360dally in this pond. As you may know, a couple of weeks ago, we sanctioned a Chinese company called Space City, which was
00:04:17.040providing geolocation information to the Wagner Group, which is fighting in Bakhmut. That sanctioning, I think, caught the Chinese by surprise. We are also looking hard now at sanctions evasion by Chinese firms. And I think when you see the big package of new sanctions that we roll out tomorrow, you'll see us trying to go after those evasion targets. But what's most important is the conversation that we're having at top levels, where we're making clear that we're not going to be able to do it. And I think when you see the big package of new sanctions that we roll out tomorrow, you'll see us trying to go after those evasion targets.
00:04:47.040I think that there will be very strong consequences in our bilateral relationship and in China's global reputation if it gets into this fight.
00:04:56.040But it is getting into this fight, at least diplomatically, it's chosen on the eve of this war not to come here, but to go there and sit closely and talk about, you know, both, you know, the crisis that they need to exit from, you know, their eternal friendship. Why do you think, you know, strategically, diplomatically, China would take this decision to cozy up to what's now looks like a losing bet by Russia? Why?
00:05:26.040Well, I'm not going to get into the heads of Chinese leaders. I do know that Putin for a very long time has been standing outside Xi Jinping's doorway asking him for more, more, more. And the Chinese have largely chosen not to answer that that call.
00:05:49.020They do believe and claim that they can be peacemakers in this and that they will have some ideas unveiled tomorrow. Frankly, if the Chinese can get Putin to end this war and go home, I think we'd all be happy to give them a peace prize. But we have to see what these conversations are about.
00:07:07.780It's Thursday 23 February in the year of our Lord 2023. Open the second hour here. And we played Morning Joe because that's the mouthpiece of the conventional wisdom in your nation's capital. And also that's Victoria Nuland.
00:07:24.540For those of you that are not watching us on streaming service or any of the Real America's Voice or Lindell TV or Hulu, wherever you see the TV version, if you listen to the podcast or to on radio, the second was Victoria Nuland.
00:07:41.340And that was, she's the architect at the State Department of this entire fiasco. She's been on this for a decade.
00:07:50.560I wanted to bring it up for the immaturity, the lack of historical understanding with people like Joe Scarborough, who's never been anywhere in the world, right?
00:08:02.340Just a complete dangerous clown and more dangerous clown, Victoria Nuland.
00:08:08.220This has been very well thought through by these regional power Russia and an emerging global power, the Chinese Communist Party.
00:08:18.400This is a merger of the KGB and the CCP, two transnational criminal organizations that are in a very rapid movement to consolidate the Eurasian landmass.
00:08:27.720And now with news we've got coming out of the Secretary of the Navy also to come at the United States with our Mahan strategy, the old British Royal Navy strategy of controlling the ports and the waterways and the straits, the choke points to come after us on our naval presence too.
00:08:46.120And in the meantime, Russia, which is just the regional power, as we've argued for years, a regional power, however, armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons, we brought that in.
00:08:57.720I want to go, I've got, I've asked Bradley Thayer and Frank Gaffney are two of the smartest guys.
00:09:03.160I know not just smart with knowledge, you see a lot of people on TV and they, they know all this stuff, but actually have wisdom, judgment, discernment.
00:09:10.620Frank, you've been in this business a long time, right?
00:09:13.620I mean, you were part of the Reagan administration over DOD.
00:09:17.620I mean, this is what your professional life has been about.
00:09:20.520Have you ever seen it more dangerous in your time as a, as a senior defense official and somebody who's been engaged in this for what, 40 years plus than it is right now?
00:09:33.120And I'd like you to opine to the immaturity and lack of knowledge of, of like the people in Morning Joe.
00:09:40.080And they spout this every day out there as like set doctrine.
00:09:46.020Steve, I think this makes the Cold War at its height pale by comparison.
00:09:51.040For the simple reason that we now are facing a Soviet Union style nuclear capability on steroids in Russia as a direct result of an immense buildup that has taken place.
00:10:07.060I think the last count I heard was that there are something like 22 new nuclear systems of various characters and types that have been put into place by the Kremlin in the past 10 years or so.
00:10:23.440So, including some that Putin has just announced are going to be either deployed like the Sarmat system, the huge heavy intercontinental range ballistic missile known in NATO as Satan 2, appropriately enough, capable of delivering 10 nuclear warheads and hypersonic missiles, both ground and sea launched and a new class of ballistic missile submarines.
00:10:51.860But in addition to all of that, we're now looking at a whole nother superpower with similar kinds of advanced strategic and other nuclear weapons in the form of the Chinese Communist Party's strategic rockets and tactical and theater nuclear forces.
00:11:15.160The worst of it is that these powers, the Russians on the one hand under Vladimir Putin, the Chinese under Xi Jinping, have in recent years been engaging in a series of strategic nuclear exercises in which they have simulated thermonuclear attacks against their common enemy, namely us.
00:11:39.200That's a whole order of magnitude more dangerous situation than we've seen in the past, as well as the fact that these guys are rather insistently now talking up the idea of actually using these nuclear weapons against us.
00:11:52.460Bradley, drafting over what Frank said, when you hear this thing about a failed war and why is China there and it's going to be ridiculous, you see the thought that the Chinese have.
00:12:05.460And by the way, they've been working on this for years.
00:12:07.140They signed this pact during the, I think, Winter Olympics last year, which I consider now what they're doing now, like the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
00:12:24.940And people, I think, forget the history.
00:12:26.400And when Molotov and Ribbentrop, the Germans and the Russians, signed the deal, their partnership, I think it was two and a half, three weeks later, Poland was invaded.
00:12:36.340I mean, the official kickoff, I think World War II started earlier, but the official kickoff is one September 1939 in Poland.
00:12:42.840It's right after the day, it's just right after they signed their deal to work together and pick apart Poland.
00:12:49.580The immaturity of Victoria Nuland, the immaturity of Morning Joe, and then we ended that with a senior Chinese statement, a statement that just threw down and said, hey, the United States are warmongers.
00:13:02.340You've only been at peace 16 years of your total existence.
00:13:05.320After World War II, you overthrew 50 governments.
00:13:13.260Well, my assessment with respect to that is I wish we added one more into the governments we've overthrown, and that was the Chinese Communist Party.
00:13:24.660Sadly, we weren't able to do that, Steve.
00:13:27.480And let's hope we're able to do that at some point in the not-too-distant future.
00:13:33.180Look, these remarks are to be expected.
00:13:35.920Frank's point is exactly right, that right now we're facing the combined—increasingly, we're facing the nuclear threats of Russia and China.
00:13:47.160Our nuclear deterrent capabilities were really only designed to deal with one peer competitor, the Soviet Union, in the course of the Cold War, and Russia in the post-Cold War period.
00:13:57.640Now, U.S. Strategic Command is having to think through in a way which is stressing the force, because we have too few nuclear weapons and too few conventional weapons to deal with the threats that we face from Russia as well as China.
00:14:16.480And so it didn't have to be this way, certainly.
00:14:21.440China is the existential threat that the United States faces.
00:14:24.860If China does go ahead and arm Russia overtly, then, of course, that puts the engagement school in a box.
00:14:36.140The engagement school wants to engage, cooperate with China, and it wants to fight its war with Russia.
00:14:42.620If China overtly is arming Russia, then the engagers are going to have a major problem.
00:14:50.960That may be a bridge too far, even for the engagement school.
00:15:14.500You remember in September of last year in Uzbekistan at the Samarkand meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, where Xi stood with Putin.
00:15:25.560And as you've stressed many times, it was Xi that really gave the green light to Russia before the invasion of February of 21.
00:15:33.240But we see diplomatically their assistance.
00:15:35.960We see economically the assistance that China is giving.
00:15:39.300So China is in the fight on Russia's side.
00:15:51.560And we're not focused on what China is doing around the world, particularly against Taiwan and our interests there.
00:15:58.960Before I go back to Frank, I just want to reiterate something, is that they announced today, just a little while ago, that they were going to, if China had any more rubbing up and hugging on Putin, they were going to release intelligence to show that they had been arming them covertly.
00:16:17.320Note to everybody in the world, as we have said, since they signed that pact, they have provided massive, non-lethal military assistance.
00:16:26.920And I strongly believe, and I think we report here, they've been covertly sending military.
00:16:35.060This is no surprise to anybody, Dr. Thayer, that is in this line of country, as I say, that works in this line of country.
00:16:43.260This is only a surprise to the Victoria Nuland that comes on from the State Department to spread lies and misinformation, and people like the Morning Joe set.
00:16:53.160Everybody that follows this understands their working partnership, do we not, Dr. Bradley Thayer?
00:17:04.600China has been helping Russia in every way that it can.
00:17:07.600And when the history of this war is written, we're going to, when the historians get into this, we're going to see that there was a lot of covert military support for Russia.
00:17:19.180And it's just a question of when that becomes overt.
00:17:22.840Again, the Chinese, of course, aren't going to do themselves any favors with the engagement school if they do make that overt military, essentially, if the overt military support to Russia.
00:17:42.160Frank, this is why the water under your keel that you've had is actually helpful here, because this is why I think it's much more dangerous than the height of the Cold War.
00:17:53.800And I was, what, a naval officer from 76, I think, to 83 in that timeframe in the Western Pacific, in the Pentagon for the last couple of years, but the Western Pacific, South China Sea, Indian Ocean, on a destroyer, where the Soviet Union, our mission was to, you know, to track fast attack submarines that would challenge the battle group.
00:18:15.480But even the debates we had at that time, there were debates, and some people, you know, they had the nuclear weapons that were put into Europe, and there were a million people marches and, you know, and protests, and we were warmongers, and Reagan's a warmonger.
00:18:28.080But there's something deeper and more insidious here.
00:18:31.760Even the American elite seem to at least be bound together with a set of principles, although there was vast disagreement.
00:18:40.640This is just outright lying to the American people every day and treating them like schoolchildren every day on just some basic fundamental facts of this new axis, of the KGB, the CCP, the Ayatollahs and Mullahs in Persia, Erdogan in Turkey.
00:18:59.880Erdogan in Turkey throwing the House of Saudi Arabia, now Iraq, who just announced today they're going to take their big output deal with China.
00:19:06.580They're going to use RMB to settle in it, not petrodollars, not U.S. dollars.
00:19:11.000You're throwing Pakistan, and let's be throwing mini-me up in North Korea.
00:19:15.380Did you ever see it where just the lies and misrepresentations of what the reality of the world is like, even in the worst, the most divisive parts of the Cold War?
00:19:34.300Partly, the reason I say we're in far more dangerous waters than we were at the height of the Cold War is, in addition to the points I made about the Russian modernization, the Chinese modernization, we have not engaged in basically any modernization of our arsenal since I left the Pentagon back in 1988.
00:19:55.880We haven't tested our nuclear weapons, we haven't tested our nuclear weapons, we haven't been serious about them.
00:20:01.180Our defense industrial support for that critical deterrence has been essentially allowed to atrophy.
00:20:08.040And every single one of these enemies, you mentioned a number of them besides the Russians and Chinese, have taken our measure.
00:20:14.080And that's why deterrence is in extreme jeopardy.
00:20:18.060And yes, are government officials lying to us?
00:20:21.900You bet they are, in part because most of them are, I think, people who have betrayed our country to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:20:29.860I used to say they were compromised, but that's too generous a term.
00:20:48.700I say this every time I'm on with you.
00:20:50.860You can bet that what the Chinese are paying for oil and food and other commodities from the Russians is, at least in part, a function of our pension funds being used by them.
00:21:03.240But here's the thought experiment, Steve.
00:21:06.140If they wanted to send covert arms to the Russians, what would be better than taking some of those $85 billion worth of American arms that we surrendered to the Taliban with no Chinese fingerprints into the fray in the Ukraine?
00:21:26.640I bet you dickles to dollars that's going to be found to have happened at some point.
00:21:32.060But either that way or other ways, you can bet that they will be making it possible for the Ukrainian people to be further ground to a pulp by the Russians.
00:21:42.940And we just did, by the way, a terrific webinar on this very subject.
00:21:46.500It'll be posted at Present Danger China shortly.
00:21:49.820I strongly commend it to all of your audience.
00:21:52.220As I do with the new book that we've just written, with your encouragement, entitled The Indictment, which we hope to have out shortly.
00:21:59.060We're going to get to the indictment in just a second.
00:22:27.580Bradley, I'll start with you, and I want to come back to Frank.
00:22:29.980If you heard Morning Joe and you heard Victoria Nuland, give me the Dr. Bradley Thayer reality check.
00:22:36.320Where, in your mind, exactly are we with the Chinese Communist Party right now and their involvement, this partnership with Russia and their evolving plan that they have for the consolidation of the Eurasian landmass?
00:22:51.580And if you were on the set of Morning Joe today, what would be your response to what they put out?
00:22:56.420Well, my response would be the following, in that the remarks that they're identifying or that Victoria Nuland is touting is simply wrong.
00:23:42.200Steve, as you've stressed time and again, and so has Frank, that all of our energies have to be marshaled to deal with that threat, not sideshows like Russia or Ukraine.
00:23:56.460Now, as a result of what the Biden administration has done, increasingly tightening the commitment to Ukraine, we're further down, we're further locked into a sideshow rather than being focused on China.
00:24:10.620And China, of course, is dancing in the streets at continuation of U.S. strategic stupidity, at having its energy sucked up in Ukraine and the Russo-Ukrainian war, rather than focusing on it.
00:24:28.300And, Steve, to the point that you made, and Frank did, too, this isn't the Cold War, because in the Cold War we had a nuclear infrastructure and a conventional defense industrial base that was responsive.
00:24:50.220I mean, this is like going out to your garage and thinking that your 1952 Dodge is going to turn over, right?
00:24:56.960You haven't done anything to it for a very long time, and it's not going to start, right?
00:25:02.540You're going to have to invest a lot of money to getting that thing going again.
00:25:06.720So, like, you know, as the Secretary of the Navy identified as stating the obvious, Chinese are cranking out ships at a pace, at a scale that we simply could not match.
00:25:20.520And that's going to matter in a war of attrition against China, which, sadly, we may find ourselves in if deterrence fails.
00:25:28.800And deterrence is failing because we haven't modernized our nukes, our nuclear weapons infrastructure, our nuclear capabilities, and our military, our conventional military.
00:25:38.980So we're in a very dangerous situation.
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00:31:14.620I'm joined by Frank Gaffney and Dr. Bradley Thayer.
00:31:17.300Frank, you have preached this for many, many years, and my dad did too, for years and years and years.
00:31:22.300He said, hey, you're stripping your industrial base.
00:31:24.240When it comes down to it, you're not going to be able to make the tanks, but you're particularly not going to be able to make the shells, the bullets, all of it, when you really have to fight a major war.
00:31:31.100And people just, you know, laughed it off.
00:31:33.400And then when you had the war of terror and then the conflicts we had in Iraq and Afghanistan, which were like skirmishes, not full-scale battles like they're having in Ukraine right now.
00:31:42.940When Thayer says this, how bad is your assessment right now with the obligations and commitments this government's made to rearming Ukraine that is supposedly firing 5,000 shells a day, artillery shells, 5,000 a day?
00:32:01.560I don't know how many of the Ukrainians are, the 5,000.
00:32:04.200I think they may take a little off the top and monetize it somewhere else, just something for the effort.
00:32:10.020But how bad is it right now, our industrial base, the ability to rearm our armed forces in the Pacific and particularly our allies in Taiwan?
00:32:18.780Again, this comes down to deterrence, Steve.
00:32:23.300The cumulative effects of what we have done.
00:32:26.240And we talked about the atrophying of our nuclear enterprise.
00:32:31.640More generally, I remember that when Bill Clinton took office, he brought Les Aspen, one of the most leftist members of Congress, in as his secretary of defense.
00:32:41.440And shortly after he got there, he held a confab with the defense contractors, the people who led what was still a pretty formidable Cold War residual industrial base.
00:32:53.360And he said, there's not going to be enough money for all of you guys.
00:33:00.380And as a result, we find ourselves confronting this problem that you talked about, which is we're sending much of what we have now.
00:33:08.800And we've not only depleted our own arsenal here at home, we've been raiding what we have forward deployed in South Korea, which we may well need there shortly.
00:33:20.280And Israel, which with Iran going nuclear any day now, we may well need there as well.
00:33:26.360And we're putting that all into Ukraine.
00:33:29.760This is at the expense of our preparedness for dealing with China.
00:33:34.500But more broadly, Steve, it's the combination of all of that and the obsolescence of an awful lot of what we have in the inventory today, particularly in the nuclear side, and the perception that the leadership of our country is now not simply going to be disinclined to defend us against China,
00:33:57.980or China and Russia, or China and Russia, as the case may be, but are actively working with and for the Chinese Communist Party.
00:34:05.940I mean, that's a sweeping allegation, but we're going to talk much more about it in the days to come.
00:34:11.020Trust me on this, because the Congress is going to have to get into the elite capture, a centerpiece of the indictment, by the way, of what they've done to us and the leadership, not just in the political space, but in the business community, most especially on Wall Street, in media, in culture, on the academic campuses and so on.
00:34:32.760This is the fruit of a long-term, patient effort to take us down.
00:34:39.940It's well advanced, and I fear that we're at a point now where if we don't man up urgently and remove from office those who are currently batting for the other team,
00:34:52.700the Chinese and the other enemies of this country will not only be emboldened to take us on, they will go for it.
00:34:59.360Dr. Thayer, is the attitude they've taken, like the last individual we showed, saying the United States is a bunch of warmongers when they're supposed to be, you know, morning during, oh, they're in, they're going to be in Moscow, but nothing's going to happen.
00:35:16.580Is the launch of the spy airship, is the, particularly on the 20th, when they knew we had it, but we're still going to try to go over, Blinken's still going to try to go over and have a meeting and kowtow to him.
00:35:28.080Does the fact that we didn't send, as you wanted to, we didn't shut down the consulates, call the ambassador over, read him the riot act, you know, sanction the senior members of the Chinese Communist Party,
00:35:38.940is all of these cumulative actions that we failed to do, do they so disrespect us now and think so little of us in your mind that they think of us as a tributary state?
00:35:47.940We have a huge problem with our credibility under the Biden administration.
00:35:56.480When this individual declares that we're warmongers, I think our response, of course, should be that we have liberated.
00:36:06.340We are the greatest source of freedom in international politics, who've generated, essentially, the long peace.
00:36:14.160We've generated a period of tremendous stability in international politics, and it was U.S. military power that really was the bedrock of that.
00:36:22.580So far from being warmongers, we're the greatest source of peace and stability in international politics there is.
00:36:29.400Now, when he's going on, the 11th commandment is not that the U.S. gets to be the dominant state forever, right?
00:36:37.100The 11th commandment is not that if, you know, we don't have to do anything and all things will go our way.
00:36:44.100We've lost tremendous credibility in our alliances and with China because of the fecklessness of Biden administration's actions, beginning at Anchorage, where the Chinese officials essentially read them the riot act, Anthony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, in a meeting at Anchorage, and they stayed there and took the abuse rather than walking out, which is what you should have done when the U.S. is insulted.
00:37:09.600And we've seen this time and again, Afghanistan, we've seen this in the very weak response to a host of issues, the balloon simply, and most dramatically, we should have shot that thing down right when it entered our airspace, protecting our sovereignty.
00:37:30.980And as you've noted, of course, we allowed that to flow, which was a very important political weapon directed by the Chinese Communist Party against us.
00:37:41.360They're telling the American people that they can kill the American people, they have the ability to reach the homeland, and the Biden administration won't do anything about that, which hurts our alliance relationships.
00:37:52.720There are countries like Japan and Australia looking to us, partners like Taiwan and India, and then, of course, that emboldens our enemies, like North Korea, Iran, and, of course, China.
00:38:06.200And then to have the Chinese essentially try to take a victory lap with the balloon, with the meetings essentially in Moscow, and then, of course, Xi's forthcoming meeting with Putin in the months to come.
00:38:24.600it just shows the Biden administration is incredibly weak and needs to reverse course
00:38:30.740immediately because deterrence is about fundamentally political calculations like
00:38:38.100credibility the willingness to issue a threat and to have that believed and also military
00:38:45.760capabilities our military capabilities are not what they should be and our political considerations
00:38:52.360are weak because of the lack of credibility in this area so deterrence is under tremendous stress
00:39:01.360with this administration and it has to be addressed immediately the reports of the Wall
00:39:08.700Street Journal today that there are some U.S. troops overtly in Taiwan is a great first step but there
00:39:16.780needs to be a lot more of that and soon and frankly as you've noted as Frank noted right the defense
00:39:25.620industrial base can't produce the materials that we need soon enough and so you know even if we were
00:39:34.880to go to ocean navy strategy which is what we should do going back to 1940 Steve as you've noted very
00:39:42.440importantly to build the navy that can deal with the China threat as well as the other problems that
00:39:47.980we have it's going to take time you just can't turn the essentially obviously the naval yards on like a
00:39:55.100light switch it's going to take tremendous effort and it's going to take years of effort as del toro
00:40:00.900identified today in order to bring about the force structure that we need and what's true of the navy
00:40:06.920is true of the army it's true of the marine corps it's true of the air force uh as well all of the
00:40:12.560services need to be augmented but we need to have leadership to do that and we need to have credible
00:40:18.800leadership to do that and sadly uh this is failing with the biden administration
00:40:23.880frank i got a couple of minutes i don't want to give away the punchline to the indictment but the
00:40:29.180concept of the indictment what you're coming forward in and you're saying something different than just
00:40:34.220incompetence and failure you're you and the committee on the present danger is making a more
00:40:39.960fundamental basic and quite frankly scary case against the national security leadership of this
00:40:46.260nation particularly the biden regime correct yeah it's really an indictment both of the chinese
00:40:51.920communist party for the war crimes they've committed against our people unprovoked over a long period of
00:40:59.980time to this point not of the kinetic kind to be sure but of a whole host of others and we enumerate
00:41:06.520them very carefully but also uh the crimes against humanity that they've perpetrated mostly against
00:41:13.240their own people but aspire to um perpetuate and uh impose elsewhere as well if they can become the
00:41:20.900world's hegemon but it's also an indictment of their friends the people in this country who have
00:41:26.760enabled all of that and i've mentioned a number of them in the sectors that they're in uh joe biden is
00:41:32.920at the top of that list as the commander in chief it is a scandal of the highest order a national security
00:41:40.040threat for that matter and we're arguing in the indictment that has nine separate charges against the
00:41:48.680chinese communist party and its friends that there are some 20 steps at a minimum that need to be taken
00:41:55.460now if we're to do the sorts of things that uh my friend and colleague brett thayer has just talked
00:42:01.340about and more to try to right the ship to try to uh maximize deterrence to buy us time to stave off
00:42:09.840possibly an imminent kinetic shooting war phase of this unrestricted war against us and thereby preserve
00:42:17.600our country and enable us to bequeath to our children and our children's children of the freedoms that
00:42:24.580we've enjoyed okay we're going to launch the indictment next week at cpac in a big launch and
00:42:30.360we'll have more information about that frank how do people get to the committee in present danger how
00:42:34.000they get to uh center for security policy your all your writings and particularly your uh your
00:42:39.820social media thank you steve uh the book is really drawn from the best of the webinars that we've done
00:42:47.000brad's been on some of them you have as well at present danger china.org the website for the center
00:42:53.040for security policy which is one of the sponsors for the committee is secure freedom.org um our show
00:43:00.280it's real america's voices at securing america.tv and i'm at frank gaffney all over the place
00:43:07.040thank you frank honor to have you on here thank you for giving us your uh wisdom and your judgment
00:43:13.260bradley thayer you give us your coordinates sir yes steve thanks uh i'm uh at b thayer at the
00:43:20.840center for security policy and then bradley thayer and uh on social media uh thanks steve very much for
00:43:26.380calling attention to this and continue to work the issue oh no every day this is my this is our calling
00:43:33.280to take down the ccp to assist the lao baijing to take him down uh real quickly your the book uh you
00:43:38.660and uh uh lin chow just came out was fantastic what's the title and and bradley thayer wrote
00:43:44.940understanding the china threat lin chow is the best fantastic book i i devoured it in one sitting it
00:43:53.120was that good thank you sir honor to have you on here thank you very much steve the third world war
00:44:00.140is going to be quite different than the other wars that we fought you're still going to have the blood
00:44:04.080and the uh and the tears and the agonies you see in uh in the ukraine every day uh in the constant
00:44:10.200shelling it looks like world war one but it's also a battlefield that is enormously complicated and
00:44:15.920sophisticated uh away from just the uh the old-fashioned uh artillery shells hitting you like
00:44:22.440back in napoleon's war we got a cold open then we're gonna bring our own joe allen in to get us up to
00:44:26.760speed just like any mobile device these days it has cameras and sensors and just like your phones
00:44:34.140and social media apps it does facial recognition inside here is three grams of shaped explosive
00:44:43.040explosive this is how it works did you see that that little bang is enough to penetrate the skull
00:45:04.640and destroy the contents they used to say guns don't kill people people do well people don't
00:45:12.520they get emotional disobey orders aim high let's watch the weapons make the decisions