Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 259： The China⧸Russia Joint Venture

00:00:00.640 This is what you're fighting for. I mean, every day you're out there.

00:00:04.800 What they're doing is blowing people off.

00:00:08.560 If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors,

00:00:12.480 the authoritarians get total control and total power.

00:00:16.320 Because this is just like in Arizona. This is just like in Georgia.

00:00:19.200 It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.

00:00:24.160 This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.

00:00:26.480 As we've told you, this is the fight.

00:00:27.920 All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.

00:00:32.000 War Room. Battleground. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:38.880 Well, of course, we have looked all very carefully at the communication coming out of the Xi Jinping

00:00:44.240 meeting with Vladimir Putin. And we very much hope that the phone call will take place as soon as

00:00:51.040 possible between Xi Jinping and Volodymyr Zelensky. I think this morning I did not get reports that

00:00:57.680 a phone call had taken place, but I think that's crucial. Also because China has come up with a

00:01:02.480 peace proposal, which, of course, when we read it, there are elements in it which could be helpful,

00:01:09.360 elements which are not so helpful, but here the devil is in the detail. So a direct communication

00:01:14.560 between Xi Jinping and Volodymyr Zelensky would be welcomed.

00:01:17.840 Do you think China can actually play that role as a follower in this way?

00:01:22.160 That's difficult to assess at this moment. Well, that's difficult to assess at this moment whether

00:01:26.880 they can play that role. But of course, it's up to Zelensky and his team to engage in whatever

00:01:32.000 proposal is on the table if they see merit in it. But then, of course, you first need to establish...

00:01:37.200 Yield to the lady from Arizona, Ms. Lesko, for five minutes.

00:01:40.800 Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Chu, do you agree that the Chinese government has persecuted the Uyghur

00:01:47.680 population? Congresswoman, if you use our app and you open it, you will find our users who give all

00:01:55.840 sorts of... That's not my question. My question is, do you agree that the Chinese government has

00:02:01.360 persecuted the Uyghur population? Well, it's really concerning to hear about all the

00:02:06.880 accounts of human rights abuse. My role here is to explain what our platform does on this.

00:02:12.160 It's a pretty easy question. Do you agree that the Chinese government has persecuted the Uyghur

00:02:18.160 population? Congresswoman, I'm here to discard TikTok and what we do as a platform. And as a

00:02:23.200 platform, we allow our users to freely express their base on this issue and any other issue that

00:02:27.360 matters to them. Well, you didn't answer the question.

00:02:36.880 If you just let me know, by the way, it's Thursday, March 23rd, 23 March, Year of the Lord 2023.

00:02:51.440 I want to make sure if Memphis could cut that last part, I want to play that again. Just tell me when

00:02:56.240 it's ready. Today's been nothing but really arrogance from the Chinese Communist Party

00:03:06.160 operative that runs TikTok. And I think it's pretty embarrassing. We talked about this in

00:03:10.640 the morning show. When you had what Modi did in India, what Modi did in India a couple of years ago

00:03:18.640 is that they just took down all the CCP apps in one afternoon, including TikTok. And they've never had

00:03:24.160 their kids poisoned by this. This is a, uh, a weapon. It's a, um, it's a poisonous weapon.

00:03:31.360 As we've said from day one, it's a big part of their unrestricted warfare. As you know,

00:03:35.280 the book we've walked you guys through for the last, what, two or three years,

00:03:38.480 this is unrestricted warfare, you know, pre-kinetic. Um, and it's, uh, it's just outrageous. Today's

00:03:44.800 hearing, I thought, I thought it was a joke. This guy was arrogant. You just saw right there.

00:03:50.000 Let's, if we have that clip again, if Memphis, you just replay this clip from, uh, Lesko of

00:03:54.320 Arizona, let's go ahead and roll it again. Yield to the lady from Arizona, Ms. Lesko for five

00:04:00.720 minutes. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Chu, do you agree that the Chinese government has persecuted the

00:04:07.520 Uyghur population? Congresswoman, you, if you use our app and you open it, you will find our users

00:04:15.280 who give all sorts of content. That's not my question. My question is, do you agree

00:04:19.920 that the Chinese government has persecuted the Uyghur population?

00:04:23.600 Well, it's really concerning to hear about all accounts of human rights abuse.

00:04:29.200 My role here is to explain what our platform does on this. It's a pretty easy question.

00:04:34.480 Do you agree that the Chinese government has persecuted the Uyghur population?

00:04:39.760 Congresswoman, I'm here to describe TikTok and what we do as a platform. And as a platform,

00:04:43.840 we allow our users to freely express their views on this issue and any other issue that matters to

00:04:48.000 them. Well, you didn't answer the question. Okay. If, if, if we're going to be a great power,

00:04:53.280 we're going to start acting like a great power. We just had this, uh, hugely significant as we've

00:04:58.160 been walking through for the last couple of weeks about this, uh, meeting that took place in Moscow

00:05:04.160 between the KGB and the CCP. Uh, if you're going to be a great power, you gotta act like a great power.

00:05:09.280 Today was not us acting like a great power. And yeah, there were a lot of sharp questions, but

00:05:13.840 this guy shows up, he's a CCP asset, the company's pure CCP. And, um, you just sit there with the

00:05:22.640 arrogance. He's got the best lobbyists and best lawyers. He's been, you know, he was well prepped,

00:05:27.920 very well prepped, but how not to answer a question. I want to bring in Brigadier General

00:05:32.960 Tata, uh, was in the Trump administration. In fact, uh, Brigadier General, you were actually over in the

00:05:38.480 Pentagon as the, uh, I think the acting secretary for policy, which is like over the state departments,

00:05:44.560 probably one of the most powerful jobs in our government that people don't know a lot about.

00:05:49.040 Uh, give us your sense, uh, you're, you've, you're a novelist. Now we're going to get to that in a

00:05:53.280 second, but give us your sense, uh, geopolitically where we are after you've had the, you know, moral

00:05:59.280 equivalent, the 21st century equivalent of the Molotov Ribbentrop meeting, uh, in, uh, in Moscow this week

00:06:06.400 with the KGB and their senior partners, the CCP, sir. Yeah, uh, Steve, uh, great to be with you

00:06:13.520 and, uh, all your listeners. Uh, we're at a really precarious time right now in this, uh, country and

00:06:19.680 the world. Uh, we, uh, have, uh, portrayed so much weakness over the last couple of years, uh, beginning

00:06:26.640 with the, uh, bumbled Afghanistan exit, uh, that really, uh, did two things. It fractured NATO, uh,

00:06:35.520 in a way that, uh, the corporate media, uh, has not covered, won't let anybody talk about. Uh,

00:06:41.680 but, uh, we had, you know, 30 some nations over there that we just left hanging. And when I was

00:06:46.560 the undersecretary, uh, we, we had a, um, uh, mantra that we came in together, we adjusted together

00:06:54.000 and we were going to leave together. And, and, you know, um, our, our president at the time, he, he

00:06:59.360 wanted to get out of there, but yeah, we, we left 2000 troops there and, and it was a very reasonable

00:07:06.640 solution going forward. And, and the Biden administration, well, they weren't even paying

00:07:12.320 attention and we started leaving and they were all on vacation and NATO broke, uh, in a way that

00:07:19.040 I have not seen, uh, in my lifetime. And, uh, because we left them hanging. And then secondly,

00:07:25.520 they're, they were still, uh, using, uh, Russian oil of which the president talked about all the

00:07:30.560 time. So, uh, Putin then moves his troops to the, uh, end of Belarus and along the Ukrainian border.

00:07:37.760 And, uh, nobody's talking. Lincoln's nowhere to be found. There's no diplomacy whatsoever. And so

00:07:44.320 that massive weakness, that power vacuum that has been created by an absent Biden administration

00:07:50.560 has allowed China now to come up and, uh, begin to ascend all the way to a global leadership position.

00:08:01.920 And, and they have been posturing for this for a long time with their belt and road initiative.

00:08:06.880 Uh, you know, just a couple of weeks ago, they, they signed a deal with Saudi Arabia and Iran. Uh,

00:08:14.560 and, and so they are trying to supplant, uh, themselves in the Middle East, uh, all of our blood

00:08:20.320 and treasure that went into securing the oil and all of that. Meanwhile, we're not energy independent

00:08:26.800 anymore. And so we now rely more on Middle East oil than we did a couple of years ago. And, uh, so

00:08:35.280 China then steps in as a peacemaker into Ukraine, Russia, uh, situation. And it's a really, uh, tough

00:08:45.840 thing to watch after 30 years of service, Steve, uh, and, and, uh, all those soldiers, sailors,

00:08:52.320 airmen, Marines with whom I fought, uh, and places all around the world to hold up American, uh, prestige

00:09:00.240 and honor and be at that tip of the spear of our foreign policy. Um, it's really tough to watch

00:09:07.360 a, um, administration, uh, uh, disavow all of that, quite frankly, and, and be more focused on

00:09:15.440 the wrong things as opposed to maintaining our status as the preeminent military in the world,

00:09:21.600 the preeminent influencer in the world. If you had, if you had to go back to what we try to do in the,

00:09:28.160 particularly the early days of the Trump administration was if you're going to confront

00:09:32.240 the CCP. And of course, you know, I was, uh, according to Josh Rogan, his book, uh,

00:09:37.040 chaos under heaven, the head of the super Hawks, which we don't believe in the legitimacy of the

00:09:41.920 CCP. We think that our, our main focus should be assisting the Lao Bajing, the Chinese people to

00:09:47.120 take down the CCP. But even if you're a hardliner, like, uh, like, um, Pompeo was, or if you're a

00:09:54.160 realist, like Mattis was, or even if you're an accommodationist, like, uh, Kushner and Kohn were,

00:09:59.680 um, the other groups that, that kind of fought it out in the white house.

00:10:03.360 If you just look around the Eurasian landmass and you go from kind of clockwise from the

00:10:08.400 Northwest Pacific, where we have South Korea and, and Japan, uh, you get down to the

00:10:14.320 Straits of Taiwan, the South China Sea, you come around to the Indo-Pacific, you had India,

00:10:19.920 uh, you come up to the Persian Gulf, you know, you've got, uh, Saudi Arabia, Israel,

00:10:24.880 uh, other nations, UAE, other nations, and you get, uh, you get to Europe and particularly

00:10:30.320 Northwest Europe with NATO. You have, if you're gonna do this in an America first way, you have

00:10:35.520 to have allies. Given that you're saying that NATO got shattered in, uh, in Afghanistan, is there,

00:10:42.800 particularly with this European war that the European Union and NATO continue to press,

00:10:47.200 is it your belief now that President Trump, one of his things was that, hey, look, you got to pay

00:10:53.120 the two percent, the two percent, they came up with the two percent after the modern revolution,

00:10:57.920 after the modern, you know, revolution, uh, overthrew the democratically elected, although

00:11:02.880 Putin aligned government in, in Ukraine. Um, do you believe that NATO today is actually

00:11:10.560 not a vassal state and not a protectorate, but an actual ally? Do you think that they're,

00:11:17.280 they're making progress forward progress to get to the two percent of GDP and actually have a, uh,

00:11:24.320 actually have a operative military? Because when I was there and went through all the budgets of NATO,

00:11:28.400 it was kind of a joke. I mean, they spend it on climate change. They spend all these healthcare

00:11:32.880 initiatives. When you actually look at the equipment, material, interoperability maneuvers,

00:11:39.360 things like that, you don't, you don't see a lot. What, what are your thoughts about NATO as a,

00:11:43.200 as anything but a, in Europe, as anything but a vassal state?

00:11:47.280 Yeah, I, I used to say, Steve, that NATO was somewhat of a cocktail circuit and it's more of

00:11:53.440 a political organization than a military organization. Now that's not to say that, uh, brave, uh, Brits,

00:12:00.160 Canadians, um, and other, uh, allied nations that fought with us in Afghanistan didn't, uh, you know,

00:12:08.480 do what they were told to do. But, uh, at, at the senior levels, um, it, it is a very political

00:12:14.880 organization and, uh, the 2%, they're not, uh, for the most part, not paying their 2%. They,

00:12:20.880 they were driving toward that under President Trump, as you know, and that, um, they, they're more

00:12:27.920 focused on peacekeeping operations or even when I, I commanded, uh, uh, Brit soldiers, uh, a pair of

00:12:35.440 battalion came into, uh, Afghanistan and they were, uh, when they got into Kandahar, uh, they had to

00:12:43.120 reset because they were trained for peacekeeping operations. They didn't realize, uh, how, how we

00:12:49.360 were knocking heads down there with Al Qaeda and the Taliban and, and they had to reset. And, and so,

00:12:55.280 uh, Europe right now is, uh, really not interested and, uh, they're, they're interested in the United

00:13:02.720 States carrying the bag, uh, to help with Ukraine. And, and you might have like Poland and some of the

00:13:09.280 other newer nations in NATO that are, are willing to, to come to the fray, but we can't even get them to,

00:13:15.600 uh, adjust their, their oil use, uh, or who they're buying it from, uh, because, you know, it's,

00:13:23.200 the easy get is from, from Russia and, and so the Nord Stream 2 and, and all that. And, and President

00:13:28.480 Trump warned about all of this and he got laughed at, uh, for saying this, but it's 100% true that,

00:13:35.120 uh, you know, they are relying on Russian oil. They're buying Russian oil while they want us to

00:13:40.480 provide arms and weapons to Ukraine. So NATO, um, is, is, uh, was, was already a, as an entity, uh,

00:13:49.760 lacking any kind of leadership. President Trump was that alpha dog that needed to lead the pack.

00:13:56.160 Right now, there is no alpha dog. Blinken's nowhere to be found. Uh, President Biden just,

00:14:01.200 you know, does what he's told. And, and at the end of the day, we've got a situation here, uh,

00:14:07.440 where, uh, you, you've got a NATO looking over their shoulder, wanting us to come in

00:14:12.880 and, and save the day with Ukraine. And we're, we've got rotational brigade combat teams going

00:14:18.000 into Romania and the Balkans and all of that, which I think is smart from a, uh, you know,

00:14:22.880 it's important that we maintain, you know, democracy and, and, uh, Europe and have capitalist

00:14:30.000 trading partners and all of that. Uh, at the same time, uh, it would be if the Europeans are prepared,

00:14:36.880 if the Europeans are prepared to defend themselves. Look, we bail them out in the first world war

00:14:42.160 when Pershing went over with MacArthur and, uh, and, and, and general Marshall was the chief of

00:14:46.560 staff. We battle them out in world war one. We then bail them out in world war two. We then bail

00:14:51.280 them out in the cold war three times the charge. I mean, this is a European war. This is the general,

00:14:56.960 you were about, I think 81, a graduate West point. If, if, if we had, if we sat down today

00:15:02.400 and told general Montgomery and, and general, uh, and general, uh, Patton, uh, and general

00:15:07.920 Marshall and Eisenhower and Omar Bradley, that we were thinking we were contemplating and doing, uh,

00:15:13.680 work right now to support a land war in Ukraine, they would look at us like we had lost our minds.

00:15:21.280 Correct. I mean, that was a absolute, that was absolute, we couldn't get the, we could,

00:15:25.600 it was hard to get the Brits to buy into D-Day. And I'm not saying they shouldn't given their,

00:15:30.160 their, what happened to them on the Psalm, they didn't even want to do a, a, a, uh, uh,

00:15:34.880 amphibious landing in Europe because of the casualty rates. Even as crazy as Churchill was in the

00:15:40.240 Balkans, never, ever, ever, ever would there be any consideration whatsoever for American combat

00:15:47.280 troops, uh, anywhere near, uh, the Ukraine. I mean, am I wrong on that? People don't know the

00:15:52.320 history of World War II. When our leaders of World War II, if we were having a discussion

00:15:56.000 today, they say this is insanity. Yeah. Uh, you're, you're exactly right, Steve. There,

00:16:00.880 there is no argument for boots on the ground, uh, from any NATO nation inside Ukraine. Uh, it's, uh,

00:16:07.920 it doesn't breach article five. It, it doesn't do anything, uh, to, uh, the, to NATO other than,

00:16:15.840 uh, rise the temperature a little bit. Right. And, uh, sure. You know, Putin invaded Ukraine. He shouldn't

00:16:21.760 have done that. We need to take a stand, uh, and, and we got to draw the line somewhere on what,

00:16:27.520 how much support we provide, what are the flexible return options we put forward,

00:16:32.240 but we've got to show some leadership here. And, uh, you know, I, again, there's been no diplomacy

00:16:38.720 whatsoever, and that's what China's coming in to do, right? The China is trying to, uh, take that. And,

00:16:43.680 you know, think about this, uh, Steve, you, you remember Reagan, uh, built out, you know, he got our

00:16:49.920 economy, Warren again, built out the military 500 ship Navy, half million person army, uh, and,

00:16:56.960 and grew the air force. And we bankrupted the Soviet union because we could outspend them right

00:17:03.840 now. Our economy is not awesome. And China's economy is increasing GDP every year. And they,

00:17:12.560 they projected a, uh, slow down in the growth of GDP, but they're still increasing and, and, uh,

00:17:18.560 growth of GDP and think about Russia inside Ukraine and this administration think, okay,

00:17:26.480 we've got them on the ropes. And now China comes in with somewhat of a, uh, uh, limitless, uh, uh,

00:17:34.560 supply of arms and munition and, and, and cash, uh, to, uh, it's almost like a reverse cold war that

00:17:44.720 Xi is trying to do to us. Let's get the United States focused on, you know, we're, we're doing

00:17:50.000 it of our own accord already, 100% in Ukraine and let's backstop Russia. So United States just

00:17:58.320 continues to spend money, treasure, et cetera, inside Ukraine. And then I'm going to look over

00:18:05.600 my shoulder and, and do a soft, uh, takeover of Taiwan, uh, all, uh, Hong Kong. And, and, uh,

00:18:12.320 all of a sudden, are you, are you, are you given you were 82nd airborne, you were 101st airborne with

00:18:18.320 combat units, elements of that 10th mountain division. Are you concerned? We had Colonel

00:18:22.080 Mills on Saturday and actually went through the map of Taiwan where the amphibious assaults,

00:18:26.960 where the air assaults would come to secure the high end chip, uh, plants. Are you at all concerned,

00:18:32.640 given the focus that the Pentagon has put in armaments material into supporting the Ukrainian

00:18:38.640 fight, uh, in Ukraine, uh, the Ukrainian fight, particularly in Bakhmut and other places on

00:18:43.680 Eastern, uh, Eastern Ukraine. Are you concerned that we don't have adequate resources to defend

00:18:51.120 blockade in the South China sea straits of Taiwan or particularly amphibious or air assault

00:18:56.640 into Taiwan to take those, uh, advanced chip plants? Yeah, I, I'm very concerned about that.

00:19:02.400 I commanded a brigade combat team in 101st airborne, uh, division. You know, right now there's

00:19:07.200 101st airborne is rotating into Romania and, and, um, you know, you've got a full brigade combat team

00:19:14.240 of 4,000 troops there as a flexible deterrent option to message to Russia, don't, don't get near

00:19:20.000 the border. And so if, if the balloon goes up over Taiwan, really, what are we going to do? You know,

00:19:27.200 we're providing Patriot missile, uh, units, uh, systems to, uh, the, the Ukrainians were providing

00:19:34.000 M1 Abrams tanks and we, we are, uh, depleting our resources. There's, there's critical shortages of

00:19:42.320 certain kinds of ammunition, one, five, five millimeter artillery and other types of ammunition

00:19:47.920 that are, are in low supply worldwide. And, and so if we get in a position where we cannot, um, uh,

00:19:57.440 resource ourselves to, uh, fight the war that we say is our number one priority, which is China, Taiwan,

00:20:05.440 then we're, we're in a real, um, hurt locker.

00:20:10.880 Tell me about, you've turned to become a, uh, since you left the, the Trump administration

00:20:14.400 and left the army, you've turned into a novelist. Tell me about, uh, Total Empire. It's one of those,

00:20:19.840 uh, ones for the guys that are grabbing a plane. Uh, it's the thing you take with you to be a,

00:20:24.880 to be a re to kind of take your mind off all your, your troubles in the world. Very, very,

00:20:29.120 not just entertaining, but it's got a lot of geopolitics in it. How did you get inspired to write this?

00:20:33.920 Yeah. So Steve, uh, everything we've been talking about motive to write, um, a book and it's my 15th

00:20:41.680 novel. So, uh, from St. Martin's press Macmillan, and it's all about an ascendant China with advanced

00:20:49.360 weaponry, uh, tricking and administration, uh, so that, uh, we become beholden to China. And, and I did,

00:20:57.440 I, you know, I wrote it about 18 months ago, two years ago, that's the book production cycle. You got

00:21:02.400 to turn it in. It takes you six, nine months to write, and then it takes them a year to get it out.

00:21:08.240 And so it just reading the news, being the junkie on, uh, geopolitics that I am. Uh, it's, it's a

00:21:16.480 great story about, uh, Chinese ascendancy and the, and the world and the trickery that they use, which

00:21:23.760 is kind of par for the course for anybody who studies geopolitics, as I know you do. Uh, it's, uh,

00:21:30.480 you know, if you're not cheating, you're not trying kind of thing. And, and, uh, certainly,

00:21:35.120 uh, nation states are out there first and foremost to aggrandize themselves to, uh, you know, anything,

00:21:43.600 um, if anybody believes that there's, um, a utopian purpose, uh, beyond, uh, enriching China or,

00:21:52.240 you know, even the United States, then they, they don't understand realist foreign policy. So total

00:21:58.320 empire is really about all of the bad actors out there. And we've got our hero, general Garrett

00:22:04.160 Sinclair, who is the commander of joint special operations command and task force dagger, uh, who

00:22:10.800 is the president's, uh, special mission unit that goes out and does very discreet missions for the

00:22:16.400 president of the United States. So total empire tries to capture, um, all of the things going on in

00:22:22.640 the world today. And it's just, uh, happens to be coming out. It came out, uh, two days ago, uh,

00:22:28.480 released, uh, into the wild here and, um, getting a lot of great responses because it is 100% what's

00:22:36.640 going on today. An alliance between China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and it's, uh, the United States,

00:22:44.080 uh, being handed their jockstrap, so to speak. Um, uh, the use of sports analogy, uh, and, and, uh,

00:22:51.040 you know, our hero has to, uh, save the day for the country.

00:22:56.160 General Tata was, uh, the interim, uh, head of policy, undersecretary of policy for president

00:23:01.600 Donald J. Trump over the Pentagon, trying to sort that mess out. General Tata, uh, thank you. Uh,

00:23:06.880 81 grad of the academy and, uh, a combat, uh, leader of the 82nd, the 101st, 10th mountain division,

00:23:13.920 sir, uh, awarded the bronze star. Thank you very much. The novel's fantastic. Uh, already had a couple of

00:23:20.080 the war room producers read it and, uh, loved it. So good luck with the book and look forward to

00:23:24.000 having you back on to talk, uh, geopolitics and national security, sir. Thank you, Steve. And thanks

00:23:29.840 for all you do. Thank you, sir. Honored. Okay. We're going to pivot before break. I've got, uh,

00:23:37.520 I've got Rebecca Koffler on Rebecca. I've got two minutes here, two and a half minutes. I'm gonna toss

00:23:42.880 the ball to you. I just want you to recap what you told the audience. So you got a great piece up

00:23:47.520 about this, uh, historic, which I keep saying, maybe I ask it this way. I keep comparing this

00:23:53.360 to the, to the Molotov Ribbentrop meeting, the secret meetings that took place in the night in

00:23:59.200 1939 that led to that agreement that, that the two Nazis and the, and the Russians, uh,

00:24:04.960 fought on the same side during Poland in the early days of World War II. Although it may be closer to

00:24:10.000 the secret deals the Nazis had with the Japanese to really control the Eurasian landmass from kind

00:24:14.960 of the rim, uh, inward. Uh, what are your thoughts? You've got two minutes before you go to break.

00:24:18.880 What are your thoughts about that? Yes, absolutely. Uh, Steve, that is a great analogy. Uh, we live

00:24:26.160 right now in the riskiest period in modern history. Um, it is my assessment that we face a two front war

00:24:35.280 right now, one with Russia over Ukraine that Joe Biden is hyper-focused on and the other one,

00:24:41.680 uh, with China over Taiwan. Just like General Tyler, uh, said a few minutes ago, we are depleting our

00:24:49.680 own combat arsenal, uh, by pumping in this high-tech weaponry to Ukraine. 196 billion words has already

00:24:58.800 been provided or committed to provide. This is the equivalent of Ukraine's entire GDP for 2021.

00:25:07.680 And so this is exactly why those two were talking about Putin and Xi. Let me just quote what Xi told

00:25:15.040 Putin as he was saying goodbye to his dear friend. He said, changes are taking place now that haven't

00:25:23.360 happened in a hundred years. When we are together, we drive these changes. And Putin said, agreed. So

00:25:31.760 Joe Biden is completely unprepared for handling two wars at the same time. The Pentagon is focused on

00:25:40.480 pronouns and Marxist ideologies instead of teaching our officers how to win wars. Um, the Chinese have

00:25:47.840 developed unrestricted warfare in which they plan to exploit, uh, what they call extravagant

00:25:56.240 style of warfare because we are shooting birds with golden bullets. According to the Chinese,

00:26:02.560 remember the balloon that we just shot down using a $400,000, uh, dollar, uh, missile. This is exactly

00:26:09.920 how they're going to deplete our, uh, missile arsenal in the run-up to this war, just General, uh,

00:26:16.080 Todd said. So we are in a mess with Joe Biden. Rebecca, just hang on one second. We'll take a

00:26:25.840 short commercial break. We'll return with Rebecca Koffler in a moment.

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00:30:38.880 War Room Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon.

00:30:41.900 Thursday, 23 March, year of our Lord, 2023. When we first opened, I didn't have my mic open

00:30:49.340 in the first segment, so I did it right this time, folks. Rebecca Koffler, just real quickly,

00:30:55.600 I want to go back to your background. You were at Defense Intelligence Agency, and your specialty is

00:31:01.020 Soviet Russian strategy, the inner command of Putin and how Putin thinks. You wrote a book that I

00:31:07.860 continue to tell people is one of the most profound books ever written by Putin, and I think you can

00:31:14.680 see his moves if you read your book. First of all, tell our audience quickly, what is defense

00:31:20.460 intelligence? Most people know the CIA and James Bond characters at MI6. What is defense intelligence?

00:31:26.820 What is the role of defense intelligence? Why were you there? And I want to talk about your specialty

00:31:32.880 of knowing the Kremlin's high command, particularly the KGB, SFSB that run it. And I want to also talk

00:31:41.740 about the war games and what came out of your efforts there, ma'am.

00:31:47.520 Absolutely. So the Defense Intelligence Agency is the military counterpart to the CIA, the Central

00:31:54.580 Intelligence Agency. We call the CIA clowns in action, actually. But this is lovingly so to speak.

00:32:02.880 Right? What we do, CIA provides political intelligence, DIA, we provide the war fighting intelligence.

00:32:11.640 What does it mean? We track foreign adversaries' military capabilities, military intentions,

00:32:20.020 and specifically assess how do they fight wars? Because not everybody fights wars the same way that

00:32:27.340 the United States does, right? We are the top dog militarily. We have superior weaponry. But our weakness

00:32:36.100 is understanding how the adversaries plan to take us on, right? Because Russia and China, they developed

00:32:44.060 concepts that intended to bypass our technological superiority that the adversaries believe is our

00:32:52.060 vulnerability. Remember Afghanistan after 20 years of fighting people who don't even have a regular army,

00:33:00.520 right? They wear towels on their heads, and they don't have superior weaponry that we do. But we withdrew. And

00:33:07.240 that is an example of how adversaries like Russia and China think. And so the war gaming, as you said,

00:33:14.020 I was one of the top three in the entire US intelligence community that includes 18 different

00:33:21.420 agencies, including mine. I was the top part of the top three team on Russian doctrine and strategy.

00:33:28.080 We knew what Putin was thinking, what doctrine and strategy Russia was developing. I personally

00:33:36.740 briefed scores and scores of military commanders and senior officials within the Obama administration's

00:33:44.660 Pentagon, the political appointees, right? I briefed Obama's National Security Council. I briefed NATO,

00:33:51.460 you know, Steve, in the run-up to the 2014 Putin's invasion of Crimea. I briefed NATO in September 2013,

00:34:01.120 laid out at the, you know, level that we allowed to. We conducted war games at the very, very high level,

00:34:09.020 you know, top secret and above. But then we downgraded certain, you know, top secret information,

00:34:15.060 and we laid it out. And as General Tyler just said, NATO was not willing to chip in. The Europeans were

00:34:23.740 not willing to chip in towards their own security. President Trump had to practically, you know,

00:34:29.320 twist our arms to provide even 2%. And so nobody did anything about that, right? And now everybody's

00:34:37.500 acting surprised, oh, Putin, you know, invaded Ukraine. Well, and somehow we space to magically come up

00:34:44.480 with a strategy. Biden was at the helm as the vice president. He was in charge of the Ukraine policy,

00:34:51.540 right? Did nothing about that. And so the wargaming showed to us every single wargame, Steve, that I was at,

00:34:59.600 and I led some of the, some of them as the red team. There's blue and there's red, right? You know, for your

00:35:06.160 listeners, blue is the United States and NATO, and red is the adversary. In this case, it was Russia. I also

00:35:12.460 participated in some with China. And so every single wargame with Russia, if we push them very hard,

00:35:18.640 it ended up in a limited nuclear war. What is the limited nuclear war? The Russians,

00:35:24.600 they have acknowledged that conventionally, the United States and NATO are superior. At the same time,

00:35:33.900 they can simply know, they can't give up what they call the strategic security perimeter, which Ukraine

00:35:41.540 is part of. The Russians relied on that for their security for centuries. That perimeter has reduced

00:35:47.400 with the collapse of the Soviet Union from a thousand miles to 100 miles, right? It's a shorter distance

00:35:54.080 than between New York and Washington. And so what do they do as part of these wargames that were uncovered?

00:35:59.960 They detonate a low yield tactical nuclear warhead, sub kill time, in order to create what they call a

00:36:09.280 strategic pause, just kind of throw off the adversary off balance, make them think and deter the US from

00:36:17.460 deploying troops and intervene on their behalf. And so that's what Joe Biden is sleepwalking into.

00:36:23.940 And he realizes that. Remember, a couple of months ago, he acknowledged we are now facing potentially

00:36:30.700 a cyber, I'm sorry, a nuclear Armageddon. Cyber Armageddon is something different that the Russians

00:36:36.700 are also preparing for. And so, yeah, so why is he doing that? Why is he intentionally dragging us

00:36:45.960 into a nuclear furnace where potentially our boys and girls are going to be deployed as Zelensky wants

00:36:54.080 them to? Remember a few months ago or a few weeks ago, he said, your children are going to fight in

00:36:59.240 my war. Why is he doing that? I have no idea. He effectively has outsourced decision making on

00:37:08.540 strategic issues to a foreign leader, Zelensky, because anything Zelensky wants, you know, Joe

00:37:14.680 Biden, just give him just like that, writing a blank check.

00:37:17.540 Is your professional opinion, is your professional opinion, because all the talk, you know, China came

00:37:24.040 with a police proposal, you got to go to the table, but it assumes no, no Russian troops out of

00:37:29.960 Donbass and certainly not Russia giving up Crimea. Do you, do you believe there's any intention of

00:37:38.500 the Russians at all to either leave Eastern Russian speaking Ukraine in the Donbass or to

00:37:43.860 leave Crimea, ma'am? Zero, zero intention to leave. And there's also Ukrainian chances to win this war

00:37:52.700 exactly zero, Steve. Why is because Putin is pursuing a strategy of attrition that relies on

00:38:01.200 relentless attrition of manpower. That's how the Russians won every single war in history. So the

00:38:06.960 Russians have 143 million people. Ukrainians have 43. So you can do the math. And so this is why

00:38:16.140 the Pentagon and Joe Biden are prepared to fight the Russians until the last Ukrainian.

00:38:22.700 And then what? And so she knows this. And while we are mired in Ukraine, she is actually has direct,

00:38:32.900 he's transitioning China onto a wartime footing. Okay, I wrote another piece in the New York Post

00:38:40.760 describing the five what we call INWs in the intelligence business indications and warnings

00:38:47.180 of what she is doing. Just, just real quick. He has established a wartime cabinet. He gave direction

00:38:55.320 to his armed forces to put all the energy to get ready for war. China has beefed up. It's a space order

00:39:05.160 of battle from 250 satellites to 499 satellites. Why? It's because every aspect of warfare right now is

00:39:12.680 conducted through satellite constellation from missile warning to command and control to, uh,

00:39:18.520 navigation targeting precision strike. And at the same time, China also is developing counter space

00:39:25.880 weapons to what they call deafened and blind US forces. They have concluded that our space reliance is our

00:39:35.640 Achilles heel and they want to cut us off deafened and blind us. And those counter space weapons include

00:39:42.120 kinetic kill, uh, vehicles, electronic warfare, directed energy, uh, weapons, all the way to space or, uh, uh,

00:39:51.160 robots orbiting the earth. Right. And that's what he's doing. And as long as he believes that we are hyper-focused

00:39:58.200 on Ukraine, we're incapable of fighting a two front war. And this is why the, you know, this team is just

00:40:05.960 completely incompetent. Uh, and our commander in chief is unable to make the decisions that prioritize

00:40:13.880 our national interests, not someone else's, not Ukraine, Zelensky. Yes. Ukrainian people have fought

00:40:20.440 violently, but Zelensky is strategically incompetent. If he thought that Putin was going to allow Ukraine

00:40:28.920 to become part of NATO, he is completely naive. He doesn't understand history. I mean, we wouldn't

00:40:35.880 allow Russia or China to get as close as, uh, as, uh, Mexico or Canada. No military commander would allow

00:40:45.400 100 mile, 100 mile proximity of an adversarial alliance. So that, that's where we are at.

00:40:52.280 That's the big picture. That is why my assessment is that we're living in the riskiest time on modern

00:40:58.680 history. Uh, in the riskiest time, let me ask you about people. One of the, the, the pushbacks we get

00:41:06.280 about NATO is that if, if Putin is not stopped in the Russian military, not stopped in Ukraine,

00:41:12.600 that the Baltics, uh, the new members of NATO are coming in Finland, Scandinavia, the Baltics,

00:41:18.280 uh, Poland are going to be, uh, are going to be ripe for the taking. When I look at Bakhmut

00:41:24.680 and there, it's interesting about Zelensky's calls. Zelensky has been very adamant from day one and the

00:41:30.040 Western allies have been saying, no, no, you got to give it up. Retrench, get ready for a counter

00:41:34.520 offense in the spring. He says he's been saying, no, it's strategic symbolically in the optics of the

00:41:39.800 Ukrainian people. And they've made a quite courageous stand. I mean, there's not much

00:41:44.200 actually left of Bakhmut right now, but does it show the world that the Russian military is kind

00:41:51.480 of, I don't know, through corruption and competence, but how have they been unable to take Bakhmut?

00:41:57.800 And now I think we're in the sixth or seventh month of this battle, which is right now becoming the

00:42:02.680 biggest, bloodiest, uh, you know, gnarliest battle of the 21st century, ma'am.

00:42:11.720 Here's how, uh, Steve, the Russian military is tactically does not come even close to you at

00:42:20.040 to us military. Nobody fights like Americans, right? We are superior, you know, competent,

00:42:26.600 uh, our training is just superb. So, but Putin did not anticipate to fight Americans. Look at what

00:42:35.160 we have thrown, uh, to Ukrainians, anything, you know, it started off with stingers and javelins,

00:42:42.120 and now it's all the way to, uh, Abrams tanks. Um, and, uh, we're potentially, uh, providing also

00:42:50.040 patriot missile defense systems. And so the, the Russians are having trouble because Ukrainians

00:42:57.400 are using superior weaponry that we are providing and because also they, they just have tremendous

00:43:06.440 will to fight. And the argument that if we don't stop, uh, the Russians right now that they're going

00:43:13.080 to go after Baltics is illogical. If the Russians can't beat Ukrainians in a clear military victory,

00:43:21.160 how the heck do, do those experts think that Putin is going to go after Poland, after Latvia,

00:43:28.360 Lithuania? It's just, it's just absurd what they are arguing.

00:43:35.720 Rebecca, I know you've got a bounce. Uh, where do people, you've got the, you've got the, uh,

00:43:40.760 article on the New York post about the Chinese, I think on Fox about, uh, you had one the other

00:43:45.720 day, but zero probability that the Ukrainians could actually mathematically win. You've got

00:43:50.440 a great piece up on, uh, on the summit itself. Uh, where do people go to get your, to find your

00:43:56.680 writings? Uh, I'm on social media at Rebecca zero one, three, two, uh, on truth getter and Twitter.

00:44:06.040 And I have a website, Rebecca Coppola.com. Google me. I'm on Fox news and New York post. Uh,

00:44:11.960 you can get all of my analysis at the unclassified level.

00:44:17.560 Rebecca, I think we agree with you here in the war room. I think this is the most

00:44:21.880 dangerous time in modern history. And I actually think you could argue it's probably the most

00:44:26.920 dangerous time in American history. I think it's actually more dangerous now than it was in the late

00:44:31.560 1930s as we were hurtling or we were actually sleepwalking into world war II. But I think it's,

00:44:38.120 uh, I think it's an incredibly dangerous time and really appreciate you being one of the

00:44:42.440 Sherpas that helped take the audience, uh, through all the complexity here.

00:44:47.480 Thank you. That is exactly why we need to put the right people, uh, in charge in 2024,

00:44:53.160 somebody who can think critically and strategically. Thank you for having me, Steve.

00:44:57.880 Thank you, Rebecca. Um, this has all been, uh, inextricably linked. In fact, do we have another,

00:45:06.440 uh, cut of, uh, of, uh, the tick tock, uh, individual? I think we have another cut. Uh,

00:45:13.000 let's go ahead and play the other. Just, just, just, just when you, when you booted up and got it,

00:45:17.560 and here's why I want to show the arrogance. Remember what you have is you've had up to date

00:45:23.640 is unrestricted warfare. Okay. Unrestricted warfare is the battle plan is the battle plan

00:45:28.680 for the Chinese Communist Party in its, uh, in its, uh, direct confrontation and the war they've

00:45:34.120 been running in the United States. Don't ever forget the CCP has been at war with the United

00:45:40.120 States, psychological war, cyber war, information war, economic war. Let's go and play. I want to

00:45:46.200 play another cut. I can play these cuts all day long. What I'm trying to show here is the,

00:45:50.760 the, the arrogance of, uh, of the tick tock, uh, management, the tick tock executives,

00:45:56.840 particularly the CEO who is, uh, obviously a CCP asset and his arrogance and disdain

00:46:03.160 for this question today to me was unparalleled and sends a big message to the American people that,

00:46:07.800 Hey, India took this thing down two years ago without any questions. We should have done the

00:46:11.960 exact same thing. Let's play, let's go ahead and play this cut. As you stating your testimony,

00:46:16.680 ByteDance is tick tock's parent company. Is it accurate to say that you are in regular

00:46:21.720 communication with the CEO of ByteDance Leon Robo?

00:46:26.760 Chair Rogers. Yes. Uh, I am in communication with them. Okay.

00:46:32.120 Kelly Zhang is the CEO of ByteDance China overseeing Doyen, the Chinese version of tick tock.

00:46:38.600 Are you in regular communication with Kelly? I'm not in regular communication with her.

00:46:46.760 The ByteDance editor in chief is Zong Puping, correct?

00:46:53.000 I believe so. And Wu Shugeng is Beijing ByteDance technology board member,

00:47:00.840 and also an official of the cyberspace administration in China. Is this correct?

00:47:04.600 Uh, I believe so. I, they are not in the right. Thank you. All of these individuals

00:47:11.640 work or affiliated with the Chinese Communist Party are not the highest levels of leadership

00:47:16.440 at ByteDance, a company where you previously served as the chief financial officer and where

00:47:21.400 you regularly communicate with their CEO. Tick tock has told us that you weren't sharing data with the

00:47:26.920 CCP, but leaked audio from within tick tock has proven otherwise. Tick tock told us that you weren't

00:47:33.240 tracking the geolocation of American citizens. You were. Tick tock told us you weren't spying on

00:47:38.760 journalists. You were. In your testimony, you state that ByteDance is not beholden to the CCP.

00:47:44.440 Again, each of the individuals I listed are affiliated with the Chinese Communist Party,

00:47:48.600 including Zong Puping, who is reported to be the Communist Party secretary of ByteDance,

00:47:55.000 and who has called for the party committee to quote, take the lead across all party lines to ensure the

00:48:01.480 algorithm is enforced by quote, correct political direction. Just this morning, the Wall Street

00:48:08.360 Journal reported that the CCP is opposed to a forced sale of tick tock by ByteDance, quoting a CCP

00:48:15.560 spokesman as saying the Chinese government would make a decision regarding any sale of tick tock.

00:48:21.320 So the CCP believes they have the final say over your company. I have zero confidence in your

00:48:27.080 assertion that ByteDance and tick tock are not beholden to the CCP. Next question. Heating content

00:48:34.840 is a way of promoting and moderating tomorrow. I got to tell you, that's Kathy McMorris Rogers,

00:48:41.400 and she's not known as a fire breather, but she did an excellent job today. And my point earlier about,

00:48:49.160 you know, it's ridiculous. We're doing this. It is overall, we should do what India did, what Modi did.

00:48:55.000 We shouldn't be talking about selling this thing and shipping billions of dollars, selling it to

00:48:58.360 Microsoft and shipping billions of dollars to the CCP. This is a CCP company. Kathy McMorris Rogers just

00:49:06.440 just went through the whole thing right there. You can see, and she's hammering all day long,

00:49:12.040 and the guy's lying, obfuscation, all of it. So it was a, I think, hopefully a big wake up call. I think

00:49:19.240 it was a big wake up call on Capitol Hill. Last night, they had the Hill and Valley. This is a

00:49:24.040 new kind of lobbyist group coming together from people on Capitol Hill and people in Silicon Valley.

00:49:29.080 Peter Thiel was there. They had a couple of people address the organization, and they really want to get

00:49:33.400 tough with the CCP. But nobody wants to take down the CCP. We said today, earlier on the show,

00:49:40.840 I had Colonel Newsham, who wrote the book, When China Attacks. It's six months. If we cut them off

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