Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 263： Trouble In Australian Parliament; AI Out Of Control

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:16.740 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the authoritarians

00:00:24.500 get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just like in

00:00:29.940 georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and 0.99

00:00:34.380 misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is

00:00:38.660 the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground

00:00:44.960 here's your host stephen k bannon

00:00:47.480 it's friday 31 march in the year of our lord 2023 it is the uh final uh day of the first quarter

00:00:57.960 of this historic year and what a year it's been so far um we've got a lot to get through

00:01:03.460 in the last uh hour of our show for this quarter um by the way don't um miss tomorrow morning it's

00:01:10.660 going to be absolutely fantastic saturday show it's going to be on fire i want to go first to

00:01:15.640 ben harnwell ben uh from i i want first off the reaction you're in rome give us the reaction of

00:01:22.820 the european capitals and european media on this uh what i mean what can i say outrageous uh use

00:01:31.120 essentially use of of legal force to indict president trump sir

00:01:35.940 hi steve well um if denver wants to start um playing through some of the uh the clippings

00:01:44.660 i sent through earlier it's just basically the lead article on the times the telegraph the ft

00:01:51.960 um is all to do with the indictment it's dominating the european coverage the best headline i saw was

00:01:59.960 actually in um the european conservative which said today is the day that america becomes russia

00:02:07.580 and if you think about it the whole shtick about the the the russian war the the the all-in support

00:02:13.760 of ukraine was to defend our values against that horrible vladimir putin this is what um rebecca

00:02:20.380 koffler was saying earlier but you know what we're doing here it's it's the same thing steve it's exactly

00:02:26.160 the same thing and the the dividing line between uh the rule of law and equality before the law and the

00:02:33.880 presumption of innocence it's becoming ever more blurred by the the sociopathic overlords who are

00:02:40.960 now so invested in stopping the the possibility of a second trump mandate and that's the the basically

00:02:49.040 the european coverage uh obviously it's a bit of a rorschach test if you didn't like trump before

00:02:55.320 then you're going to be delighted with um with the uh the the the perp walk um that's going to thrill

00:03:03.160 you if you were supportive of of trump you'll think oh my god america is becoming a third world

00:03:08.560 country and of course that is reflected as well in the um in the in the european press

00:03:14.300 have they made the direct connection between his rising popularity i mean the rejection of the

00:03:22.020 american people a big majority of them even people that are independents and some democrats

00:03:26.720 about this in the unity it's bringing to the republican party to do the particularly the haters in the

00:03:32.680 the times of london uh the financial times the papers in france germany do they are they making

00:03:39.780 that connection yes they are steve but um i haven't seen any yes they are yes they absolutely are

00:03:47.100 i haven't seen anyone say um in the terms that and this is this is my view that what this indictment

00:03:55.760 will do is basically an absolute rerun of the impeachment it's it's amazing how the democrats

00:04:00.920 really haven't learned anything from the impeachment hoax but the the most the most uh structural thing

00:04:08.520 that the uh that the impeachment did immediately was force the gop to line itself up behind donald trump

00:04:17.340 i mean you remember steve there there were divisions in in in the republican party back at the

00:04:22.460 time of the impeachment the moment that impeachment process started all internal dissent uh within the

00:04:30.140 the republican party ended from one moment to the next and this indictment is going to have exactly

00:04:35.900 the same thing only right now it will have consequences on the uh on the selection process

00:04:41.880 as well now there is some of that in in the press yes um i'm waiting for someone to see to come

00:04:48.320 forward and say actually this is very counterproductive from the democrat point of view

00:04:53.760 um has any that i i got to move on from this to other topics but i just want to have any of the

00:05:02.340 prominent figures in the populist nationalist movement so far come out to support trump has le pen

00:05:07.380 maloney maloney nigel what are we seeing from the the leaders in uh of the populist nationalist

00:05:13.480 movement in europe so far yeah nigel farage has absolutely come forward and spoken in favor of

00:05:19.740 trump and against this political indictment very clearly i haven't seen anything from marine le pen

00:05:24.760 but i think she's pretty engaged in france right now um her her stock is rising vis-a-vis the uh the 0.98

00:05:32.460 macron pension reforms um if she's put out a statement i haven't seen that yet um let me ask you about

00:05:41.780 this headline in the uh in the financial times today china warns europe not to follow u.s demands

00:05:48.100 for trade curves with beijing there's a huge meeting in in uh in beijing next week or in china might be

00:05:54.880 in shanghai uh with the head of the european union and macron bad time for him to be leaving the country

00:05:59.540 to go over as supplicants to the ccp what is the general the the does the the heads of europe which i went

00:06:06.720 over there in 18 and 19 and spent a lot of time talking to people and trying to convince them

00:06:11.040 about the the problems with china as a uh the reality of china as an enemy and some people got

00:06:16.780 it like the guy that writes policy sonar and other leaders particularly behind closed doors but there

00:06:22.040 were very few at the time prepared to step forward uh tell me do they understand the dire circumstances

00:06:27.900 the world is in today with this uh the chinese communist party that that at least from outward

00:06:33.140 perceptions appears to be on the rise uh yes and no um the um ursula von derlein came out with a 0.99

00:06:41.320 statement a couple of days ago uh indicating that china was trying to design for itself a new world

00:06:47.620 order with china itself at the center and that the european union must play a part in resisting that

00:06:53.520 but you get the impression looking at these people that there's basically words um they've seen the

00:06:59.420 united states how they've really bipartisan support now in opposing china um which there hasn't been

00:07:05.820 i don't know on on an issue for quite some time and the european union sort of thinks well you know

00:07:11.040 we've got to go through the motions as well um but you get the sense that their heart isn't quite in it

00:07:16.940 and of course you know you get the idea that it's just simply words rather than really substance

00:07:22.200 because what what are all these people doing if not tying china ever more closely in to their

00:07:28.640 massive energy provider potential energy provider to china because china has its own energy issues which

00:07:35.720 is russia um that has been the consequence of the last year and there's no stop there's no hesitation

00:07:41.880 there's no perhaps you know perhaps geopolitically strategically we ought not be pushing these two

00:07:47.260 countries together perhaps we should try and pull russia back within within the european sphere of 0.99

00:07:52.980 influence um there's none of that um so you know when they're sort of on the one hand saying well you

00:07:58.380 know china is and it is absolutely is setting itself up to the center of a new world order but what we're 0.99

00:08:05.260 doing is that you know looking at brazil looking at saudi arabia looking at india um by the way i'll just

00:08:11.720 flag up brazil it's very interesting to see now because you will see that that the white house is very

00:08:16.780 supportive of lula in the election campaign and couldn't have done more to discourage bolsonaro

00:08:21.340 well interestingly the first major policy positions that the new president of brazil is doing has been

00:08:28.420 to abandon the united states quite in a humiliating fashion and throw its lot in with um with china and 0.89

00:08:35.500 russia i'll also flag up steve the fact that um as i discussed with natalie on the show yesterday the

00:08:41.920 three countries they had a vote in in the un um security council on the to have an inquiry a formal

00:08:49.560 investigation into the nordstrom uh pipeline sabotage the three countries to vote for that the rest of

00:08:56.200 the countries abstained the three countries that voted for that were china and russia obviously and

00:09:02.140 brazil again so what what what the european union's doing what the western powers nato are doing is

00:09:07.880 they're pushing um russia and china ever more closely together and now of course jumping on the bandwagon

00:09:14.880 saying oh no china must be resisting but as i say it's words not substance

00:09:21.020 uh because her words were were probably the the first time any leader has come up and said that so

00:09:28.460 it's pretty startling uh last thing before we got to bounce um the austrian freedom party i know that's

00:09:34.060 the right wing of austria stood up in mass zelinski's talk uh to that parliament and left

00:09:40.640 is that resonated through europe is that just looked at as an isolated event among uh among right wingers

00:09:46.560 the only i don't know if denver can throw this this article up the only reference i saw to this steve

00:09:53.800 but it's a really important development i think psychologically is in the bbc i've not seen any other

00:09:58.500 reference to that in any of the international press 30 uh fpo members the freedom party stood up and

00:10:05.960 left in the middle of zelinski's uh televised address to the austrian parliament and they did so because

00:10:12.260 they said they couldn't support um they couldn't support what zelinski was saying specifically because

00:10:18.380 they felt that it damaged and threatened austria's neutrality um i think that um three months ago

00:10:26.360 this would have been unthinkable um now uh that the fpo are very popular um in austria they're

00:10:33.600 becoming more popular uh as time goes on i think you know what they're doing here is they're realizing

00:10:39.140 that the appetite in austria has has now swung away from this war and as it is doing for the right

00:10:45.660 across the world to be honest with you the interest has diminished i think i think the window is now

00:10:51.560 closing and zelinski really needs if he wants to to to act in ukraine's interest he really needs to

00:10:58.600 to get the western powers in the the peace table and help him negotiate for the best deal with russia

00:11:04.660 because if he doesn't take the moment now that that window will close and putin will dictate the terms

00:11:09.740 you've said that for a long time sir um ben how do people get to you on uh how do people get to

00:11:17.680 you on social media thanks steve it's getter that's my platform of choice and it's simply

00:11:23.380 my surname harnwell at harnwell um and that's where i am i i you know i have been saying that by the way

00:11:30.580 steve for quite some time and this is you know if you look at bakhmut and that city it's all that is

00:11:36.720 stopping russia from coming in and surrounding ukraine surrounding excuse me kiev once that happens

00:11:44.220 right once that happens if that happens that is the moment when uh zelinski's negotiating hand will

00:11:51.160 be extremely weakened so he really needs to you know the western powers they haven't totally pulled

00:11:57.220 out and abandoned him yet but they are starting to move away he needs to to act now major chef as you

00:12:05.020 showed me in the article on foreign policy of the day uh ben harnwell thank you honor to have you on

00:12:09.160 here thanks steve god bless i want to but ben talked about the the first big move of foreign

00:12:15.340 policy from brazil was to say they're going to do all transactions with china one of the leading trade

00:12:21.940 partners in chinese yuan that is huge it's not a small thing you see as we've talked about

00:12:26.520 uh on virtually every show this shift into the dollar empire it's going to have a massive impact

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00:13:40.600 out can i play one play the ron desantis clip for a second before i bring on joe allen john's got a

00:13:45.080 clip too let's play the ron desantis clip i want to talk about this for a second think you know ron

00:13:49.840 desantis think again in congress desantis voted three separate times to cut social security that's

00:13:57.460 right three times over three years worse desantis voted to cut medicare two times desantis even voted

00:14:05.580 to raise the retirement age to 70. the more you learn about desantis the more you see he doesn't share

00:14:11.760 our values he's just not ready to be president make america great again inc is responsible for the

00:14:17.320 content of his advertising

00:14:19.840 we have to see how we have to see how all the indictment situation is going to play a governor

00:14:24.500 santa did come out and say hey i'm not going to be involved in any extradition i'm not going to extradite

00:14:28.680 trump uh from florida on my watch whether that's constitutional or not i'm not a lawyer people have to

00:14:34.540 argue that out but that was showing he did he did come out and show that he had president trump's back

00:14:39.520 after being quite frankly weak uh a couple of weeks ago the but this issue right here gets to the

00:14:44.800 debt ceiling you're seeing a lot of republicans start to get jiggy oh we can't put forward a budget like

00:14:49.200 they said they're going to do because there's some are saying oh we have to have cuts to social

00:14:53.560 security medicare that's just not true you can get to a balanced budget and cutting discretionary

00:14:57.740 spending but you have to add the defense budget look i've been a hawk all my life and right now i'm

00:15:03.580 as you know i'm the leader or one of the leaders in the super hawks uh to take down the chinese 1.00

00:15:08.640 communist party but we have to get our own financial house in order what i like about what president trump

00:15:13.960 has been doing i think you where you've gotten this spread up until this indictment which i think

00:15:17.820 is even going to be a bigger spread is president trump's putting these videos out about policy

00:15:22.500 one of the policies he's talking about he would not cut medicare and social security you've got to get

00:15:26.660 to a balanced budget without doing those cuts and that is achievable governor de santa is now his

00:15:31.880 record when he was more of a libertarian and in this first couple years in the house particularly as

00:15:36.240 an acolyte of paul run is now coming up scrutiny we're going to be dealing a lot with this

00:15:40.200 but look the indictment is the indictment we're obviously going to be focusing very much on that

00:15:44.380 that's as i keep saying so the win reap the whirlwind for the uh for the elites uh and uh and and so

00:15:51.700 right now we're going to be covering all of it one of the things we got to focus is really uh ronda

00:15:56.700 santa's policy positions as a neoliberal uh neocon okay uh joe allen has a joe allen has a um

00:16:03.780 joe allen has a uh has a colo let's go ahead and play it one thousand of the world's smartest

00:16:10.480 people are saying that ai imposed profound risks to society and humanity they want you guys to

00:16:17.760 regulate it will you they're talking about the letter that was released yesterday so uh look

00:16:22.620 it highlights a number a number of challenges addressed directly uh in uh in the administration's

00:16:27.700 blueprint there's an expert from the machine intelligence research institute who says that if

00:16:32.540 there is not an indefinite pause on ai development this is a quote literally everyone on earth will die

00:16:40.880 would you agree that does not sound good

00:16:46.040 your delivery peter is quite it's quite something it sounds crazy but is it all i can say is that

00:16:55.440 there's a comprehensive process in place we put out a blueprint back in october as you know i don't

00:17:00.780 have anything to share uh we have seen the letter we understand what their concerns are uh again a

00:17:07.440 comprehensive process we're going to let that we'll let that flow i i do not think it is possible to

00:17:12.000 understand the full depth of the problem that we are inside without understanding the the problem of

00:17:17.580 facing something that's actually smarter not a malfunctioning recommendation system not something

00:17:22.360 that isn't fundamentally smarter than you but is like trying to steer you in a direction yet

00:17:26.200 no like if we if we solve the the weak stuff this the if we solve the weak ass problems the strong 0.82

00:17:32.100 problems will still kill us is the thing and i think that to understand the situation that we're

00:17:36.000 in you want to like tackle the conceptually difficult part head on and like not be like well we can like

00:17:42.680 imagine this easier thing because when you imagine the easier things you have not confronted the full

00:17:46.140 depth of the problem people understand the power gap of time they understand that today we have

00:17:53.960 technology that was not around 1000 years ago and that this is a big power gap and that it is

00:17:59.060 bigger than okay so like what does smart mean what when you ask somebody to imagine something that's

00:18:06.260 more intelligent what does that word mean to them given the cultural associations that that person brings

00:18:13.060 to that word for a lot of people they will think of like well it sounds like a super chess player that went

00:18:19.720 to double college because we're talking about the definitions of words here that doesn't necessarily

00:18:24.620 mean that they're wrong it means that the word is not communicating what i wanted to communicate

00:18:28.860 the the thing i want to communicate is the sort of difference that separates humans from chimpanzees

00:18:35.100 but that gap is so large that you like ask people to be like well human chimpanzee go another step

00:18:43.060 along that interval of around the same length and people's minds just go blank like how do you even do

00:18:47.720 that the problem is that we do not get 50 years to try and try again and observe that we were wrong

00:18:53.420 and come up with a different theory and realize that the entire thing is going to be like way more

00:18:56.860 difficult than realized at the start because the first time you fail at aligning something much

00:19:01.960 smarter than you are you die okay uh welcome back uh today's headline in the in the financial times of

00:19:10.840 london ai's existence excuse me ai's existential threat to humanity now why is this paper one of

00:19:18.840 the most powerful papers in the world uh it's one of the most powerful papers in the world because it

00:19:24.120 gets to important topics but it looks like it it looks at it from the financial capital markets

00:19:30.100 perspective and it always prides itself in being very stayed not hair on fire when the when they have an

00:19:38.100 article like that artificial intelligence existential threat to humanity that is a five alarm fire in

00:19:45.260 the global capital markets and you saw that right there and this is why joe allen's so brilliant

00:19:50.020 that that peter ducey's very legitimate question was met with guffaws by the other reporters there and

00:19:58.040 kind of the smirk and the shake the head and non-response of zen master jean pierre uh was that a silly

00:20:05.360 question uh joe allen or is that a question that should have been asked and they should have had

00:20:09.860 an answer for her not even have an answer shows you in the inter in the inner circle the white house

00:20:15.920 it's not on the list of things that's got to be research and answer i can tell you how those press

00:20:19.540 conferences go or those press briefings every day the things are important to research with volumes

00:20:24.800 of talking points and from the agencies she she was just that that was just a blow-off response was it

00:20:30.440 not sir absolutely and i think she wouldn't know how to respond uh most people don't know how to

00:20:38.200 respond i honestly don't know how to respond and i spend every day of my life on this um you know you

00:20:46.280 have jean pierre basically just repeating that this uh white house blueprint exists um you know i've gone

00:20:54.480 over the blueprint it's it's all the the standard things you'd expect to see in a government document

00:21:00.480 like that but but but but yeah but hang but yeah i know but hang over the blueprint and what they

00:21:05.840 talked about under this is they included also under the cancer moonshot was all a lie because we know

00:21:12.680 that was all transhumanism and driving us the reason i want to put this headline up again is that

00:21:17.980 brother under 100 days ago at davos when chat gpt was introduced to davos man the elites of the world

00:21:26.220 not to the people in east palestine ohio it was all high fives in a new era of uh a seven trillion

00:21:32.420 dollar business and and a a you know ten trillion dollars in equity value and we're all going to make

00:21:37.760 a fortune this is great they fell all over themselves all the other issues related to the world even

00:21:43.080 zelinski having no one was chat we're just or the ccp you know new currency the global south all these

00:21:49.200 major geostrategic issue was swept to the side by the bonanza that chat gpt offered within 100 days

00:21:56.940 the financial times of london has a lead story on its front page saying is this an existential threat

00:22:03.280 to humanity it's just the speed we're still within the first 100 days of its kind of coming out party

00:22:09.500 brother yeah you know and steve really the financial times is about uh you know 10 to 20

00:22:16.060 years behind this this conversation uh so you think of it as a spectrum on one side of the spectrum are

00:22:23.220 those people who think that ai doesn't exist uh it's not it's nothing to fear because it really

00:22:28.500 isn't something at all and then on the other side the ai uh artificial general intelligence uh

00:22:35.580 particularly a super intelligent ai is right around the corner and will destroy everyone that 1.00

00:22:41.900 would be our guy eliezer yudkowski right so and there's all these different positions in between

00:22:48.820 and right now all of those positions are jockeying for a voice in this argument uh you know the guy that

00:22:55.920 we just heard eliezer yudkowski the day that that open letter was published from the future of life

00:23:03.080 institute that night he published an article in time magazine uh that argued that this moratorium that

00:23:10.880 the open letter is calling for six month moratorium on any artificial intelligence system being trained

00:23:17.120 above the level of dpt4 he argues that that's not nearly enough yudkowski and that basically the only

00:23:25.760 proper response is to halt all large-scale ai training to shut down all of the large gpu clusters

00:23:35.260 which gpus are just the hardware used to train ai uh and then to form international agreements so that

00:23:43.640 every nation stops now and he goes so far as to say that if there are any rogue data centers that have

00:23:50.480 been identified by intelligence agencies airstrike should be on the table even if they're on foreign

00:23:56.940 soil to stop it that's how far on the ai is going to kill us spectrum good kowski is is that right so 1.00

00:24:05.880 then you've got basically the the general public which ranges from you know just totally freaking out

00:24:12.560 uh to they don't even know what is being talked about uh to they don't care they they they kind of

00:24:19.540 know they just simply don't care and i think what we see right now steve is at least three different

00:24:25.960 major pushes one the one from yudkowski and company those who see this as a real risk saying

00:24:32.820 it's time to put a halt to it until we figure out what the hell is going on right and then you've got

00:24:40.720 somewhere in the middle there that you know the kind of bland perspective and i'm i'm just ignoring

00:24:45.140 that for the most part because i think that that bland perspective does miss a lot of the real

00:24:49.480 meat through this argument about existential risk but then you have uh you know the accelerationist

00:24:56.060 side that says that this is maybe something to worry about maybe not but the big issue is

00:25:01.920 competition this is an ai arms race other companies are not going to shut it down elon musk has

00:25:08.160 acknowledged that even though he signed the letter uh other countries are not going to shut it down

00:25:13.120 particularly china and russia and so the only way forward to keep our nation competitive to keep 0.54

00:25:20.600 your company competitive to keep your military competitive is to just go straight ahead and train

00:25:27.100 these ais to be as smart as possible i can't predict the future on this but i will say i am absolutely

00:25:32.580 certain that the downsides are going to be massive and everybody agrees on that for the most part that

00:25:38.380 takes it seriously at all and it really has to be taken seriously he warned about this and we warned

00:25:45.840 about this now we're in a jam the jam is what the hobson's the choice you've got is either um

00:25:52.720 either try to shut it down but you can't shut it down because there's an arm race you had these

00:25:57.240 companies are going to continue to but more importantly you've got companies countries that

00:26:01.260 are doing massive experimentation this is an arms race this is an arms race that now as we know

00:26:07.620 biological weapons and nuclear weapons even pale in comparison in comparison to artificial

00:26:13.360 intelligence weaponized and that's what the fear is i want to take a short break because i want to

00:26:18.180 come back and i just want to reiterate the one thing you said about one of the people that understand

00:26:21.980 this the best what they said about the fear is that if you do a moratorium and you find out that

00:26:29.180 countries or companies are not agreeing to the moratorium until you get your arms around it that you

00:26:35.080 should initiate actual airstrikes inside foreign countries to take rogue data centers out you have

00:26:42.840 now people that have worked with artificial intelligence know it quite well saying hey it's

00:26:46.640 that serious if people will not go along with some embargo with then go along with some treaty that you

00:26:51.980 should initiate first strike capability to take it out short commercial break joe allen and i think

00:26:57.940 we're gonna track down lara logan is going to join us in the next half hour to finish up the quarter here 0.93

00:27:02.820 in war room back in a moment

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00:31:54.520 okay joe allen our own joe allen is is with us joe uh there's two things i want to say is people got

00:32:03.140 to keep in mind we're still within the hundred days this is rolled out to the general public when i say

00:32:08.800 general public the investing public with obviously what i call davos man at davos the very elite

00:32:13.540 gathering where they went gaga within a hundred days we have experts in this field a thousand

00:32:19.100 are putting out a warning we need a six-month moratorium which they know is almost impossible

00:32:23.640 to get a six-month moratorium at a minimum you had our arms around us and it should be no new release

00:32:28.720 of any new product in addition i want you to go back one of the experts is saying that we should

00:32:34.260 have a moratorium in any company or country with rogue data centers that do not agree to it that

00:32:41.020 we find out is still pressing forward with the accelerationist um artificial intelligence should

00:32:46.300 we should use a first strike capability missile strike to take it out joe allen my point i'm trying

00:32:52.140 to say is that this has been worked on from some of the biggest companies forever google uh facebook

00:32:59.340 clearly didn't see the potential of this they were doing metaverse google was doing other things

00:33:04.060 they're bringing their founders back they're firing thousands of people or tens of thousands of

00:33:07.800 people to focus on exactly this this is the biggest shift in anything in the post-industrial era

00:33:14.660 bigger than the internet bigger than all of it as far as company resources being put on it and already

00:33:20.140 you're hearing a sober voice is saying we have no earthy idea what we're doing here and the closer

00:33:26.760 we get to artificial general intelligence this is going to be a existential threat to mankind joe allen

00:33:34.060 yeah steve i think that uh the reason you see such a huge outcry right now from those who are all

00:33:41.440 again dodkowski has been on this for 20 some odd years is that the capabilities of gpt4 really did

00:33:50.240 stun everybody it wasn't everything it was cracked up to be but everything from the testing scores right

00:33:57.920 when it was testing in gre verbal or in the the biology biology olympiads or the bar it just these

00:34:05.540 are just uh you know observable objective metrics that you can see this sort of human-like intelligence

00:34:11.680 in that sphere there was there's also these semi-generalist sort of tendencies or abilities right

00:34:18.800 so it's able to uh look at an image and interpret it into text right or uh there's a few other elements

00:34:25.340 that are somewhat generalist without going into all the detail another thing too just the the size of

00:34:31.080 the model itself right not only the the data that it was trained on uh but the number of parameters

00:34:37.240 within the models like 10 times more than what you had in gpt 3.5 and so it's just this sort of if you

00:34:45.120 imagine a brain an artificial brain that is 10 times bigger than what everyone was freaking out about

00:34:50.960 100 days ago that's what you're dealing with and the worry on the part of guys like gidkowski or

00:34:57.780 someone like nick bostrom or elon musk the worry is that this system will just simply be it will improve

00:35:05.840 in its own sphere but you will have all of these other systems uh now that you have this sort of proof

00:35:12.180 of concept you have all these other systems that will be able to scale up to that size knowing that

00:35:17.040 it's possible and we're talking about everything from weapon systems to systems that uh that are

00:35:22.480 specified for biology and that is the danger that these extremist sort of existential risk thinkers are

00:35:30.740 pointing out right the if you have a super intelligence is what they they describe this as whether it's narrow

00:35:38.200 or general the three major existential risks to humanity are that it is in control of or has access

00:35:48.160 to major like a critical infrastructure that human lives depend on could be airplanes could be hospitals 0.99

00:35:56.680 could be an electrical grid could be any number of those things or it has access to or control of

00:36:03.440 weapon systems or it has access and control of bio lab and then additionally all it would really need

00:36:12.960 a rogue artificial intelligence all it would really need is the goal to harm humanity somewhere in its coding

00:36:20.120 and access to human minds who have access to those critical critical infrastructures and manipulate human

00:36:28.000 human beings into causing dramatic harm to other human beings so what we're talking about it sounds sci-fi

00:36:35.600 and i'm myself i'm quite skeptical of a lot of these very specific scenarios but what you're talking about

00:36:40.960 is a massive artificial intelligence system whose goals are not aligned with humanity and at the extreme end

00:36:48.480 whose goals include the destruction of some part of or all of humanity and some people would say okay that's

00:36:55.200 something to worry about in 50 years but guys like eliezer yudkowsky founder of the singularity institute

00:37:02.160 now known as the machine intelligence research institute the guy is a transhumanist he wants 0.69

00:37:07.520 all of these sorts of wild radical technologies he warns that it's not a matter of 50 years it's not

00:37:14.280 necessarily even a matter of 10 years he warns that if any of these huge systems were to take off outside

00:37:20.720 of human control there would just be no stopping it and worse by the time it was too late you would it

00:37:27.600 would have been in the works for perhaps months or a year or years it would basically keep this secret

00:37:34.320 again it sounds sci-fi i feel very weird communicating this to a layman audience because it sounds so out

00:37:41.600 there but all you need is a fraction of that kind of problem for it to be a serious issue and so now you

00:37:48.960 have all these calls for government responses the government nobody in the government really has

00:37:52.640 any clue how to deal with these major systems most of the people who work on these systems don't

00:37:57.600 really understand the systems and none of them understand that the the deepest inner workings of

00:38:03.200 the system so you have a situation where either it goes out of control according to the acceleration

00:38:08.880 is paradigm or it's lightly regulated under the kind of existing structures or you get some kind

00:38:16.000 of extreme governmental response like eliezer yudkowsky's calling for and then you just hand

00:38:21.040 the government more power to crack down not only on tech corporations but any private citizens small

00:38:26.880 startup bitcoin uh cryptocurrency operations any of that um so it's it really is a rock in between a

00:38:34.400 rock and a hard place steve and i and i i'm actually at a loss for any sort of kind of sane answer to it

00:38:41.200 other than to say you know buckle up strap in it's going to be very strange in the very in

00:38:46.240 the very near future in the coming years i i told people this is going to be a major element of the

00:38:52.640 2024 campaign not just the technology but the debate over the direction of the technology one last thing

00:38:58.080 as we talk about the singularity in every also every one of these other areas whether it's regenerative

00:39:04.880 robotics whether it's quantum computing whether it's a nanotechnology biotechnology CRISPR you take

00:39:11.040 all the verticals that converge on the on the singularity i guarantee you right now in these

00:39:17.520 different labs there are developments they're working on that may not match exactly the increasing

00:39:24.080 accelerating at an accelerating rate the ai has caught the experts but will be damn close at every

00:39:30.240 weapons lab and every one of these research centers what is happening in these other technologies

00:39:35.280 is a difference in degree but not in kind so when that all comes out to the public you're

00:39:40.720 going to sit there and go well hey why did i didn't know anything about this this is all i

00:39:44.880 think going to come clear over the next year but this is a massive problem that right now governments

00:39:50.720 are not even prepared to to address you can see that part of that was in that executive order

00:39:55.760 that that biden wrote that was a whole of government and really called for a whole of society approach

00:40:00.640 to drive all possibility and put cash and capital in back of a drive on the singularity joe allen uh to

00:40:08.320 wrap up uh tonight in the first quarter this year you've done such an incredible thing the first quarter

00:40:13.040 started with davos i think on the 15th and 16th of january in talking about this releasing it to the

00:40:18.880 public here within a hundred days of that and there are people already calling for hey if if companies or

00:40:24.720 countries don't go along with a moratorium then use first strike missile capability and take them

00:40:29.600 out joe allen you know uh steve i think that right now the us government uh the the current

00:40:37.600 administration cannot be trusted to respond to this so you already have restrict act coming going

00:40:44.880 through uh the senate a lot of people are really really alarmed rightfully so because you had a

00:40:50.720 legitimate problem tick tock as a spy app that's being responded to with legislation that doesn't

00:40:57.280 even mention tick tock or byte dance by name but could possibly restrict the use of vpns it could

00:41:03.840 restrict the freedom of cryptocurrency traders uh and it could be at the extreme end some sort of like

00:41:09.600 patriot act 3.0 right and i think that in response to something as vague and unknown as

00:41:17.280 artificial general intelligence or super intelligence uh that any kind of governmental

00:41:22.320 response is going to be just ham-handed and ridiculous right now italy has just barred any

00:41:29.680 use of chat gpt right i think that i understand obviously the sort of anxiety that would lead to

00:41:35.600 something like that but all that means is that other countries around italy will be using the same

00:41:40.880 sorts of software and they won't be um you know in the case of these extreme sorts of of projections

00:41:49.520 the extreme projection that you will end up with an artificial general intelligence that is not

00:41:55.840 necessarily as rich as a human psyche but is able to outperform humans to lie to humans to to trick humans

00:42:05.120 and possibly gain control of systems to destroy humans it's so abstract it's so unknown that there's

00:42:12.880 really no immediate response other than just simply don't do it but that's not going to happen these

00:42:19.760 tech corporations are going to keep working towards those kinds of systems the militaries around the

00:42:25.280 world are going to keep working towards those kinds of systems because those systems mean worldly power 0.97

00:42:31.760 so that's why to me i i think that one way or the other what we're looking at really is a matter of

00:42:37.600 mitigating whatever damage may be coming our way it doesn't have to be the extreme sci-fi scenario

00:42:44.640 all it has to be is something as seemingly trivial but major the large language models are deployed across

00:42:52.960 the internet with just endless chat bots all over twitter facebook uh you know getter wherever and human

00:43:01.040 beings are no longer able to tell whether they're communicating with a human online or a computer

00:43:05.680 online and the kinds of social discord that that could so uh are so astounding and phenomenal as

00:43:13.040 addicted as everyone is to the internet that that alone is something just you know that terrifying to

00:43:19.600 comprehend and is undoubtedly right around the corner if measures are not taken and the measures that are

00:43:25.280 being suggested look like these sort of beast system global identification uh regimen so regimes so

00:43:34.160 you've got sam altman who has a startup that you would basically use your iris scan in order to prove

00:43:42.160 that you are a human in any kind of digital environment and elon musk has his own version everybody has

00:43:47.200 their own version so you're talking about universal global digital identity as the cure

00:43:51.200 joe we got to bounce real quickly how do people get to you you can find me at joebot.xyz warroom.org

00:44:00.080 under the transhumanism tab at getter and twitter at joe b-o-t-x-y-z thank you very much steve and

00:44:08.560 joe we'll probably have you back on tomorrow because i got to drill down some of this is getting to be

00:44:12.720 an emergency status so joe allen our editor on all things transhumanist thank you very much honor to have

00:44:18.400 you on here thank you given what's happened in the country over the last 24 hours i don't think

00:44:25.840 there's a stronger voice that we could have on here to end the first quarter of 2023 a historic

00:44:30.240 year than laura logan uh one of the top investigative reporters in the country laura uh i put up on news

00:44:36.400 newsweek quoted me today on one of my getter chats i said you sow the wind you reap the whirlwind that the

00:44:42.640 american version of the globalist elites have now gone to outright war with the populist national

00:44:48.160 uh movement i know that you have analyzed this you've studied it you've reported on it uh you

00:44:54.480 do interviews all the time give us your assessment we've got about eight minutes i just want to toss

00:44:58.320 the ball to you where do we stand right now in this country ma'am well um this is a clarifying moment

00:45:07.760 right where the part of the veil is lifted and we see people for who they truly are and um you know if

00:45:15.120 you're a person who likes to be on solid ground then uh as much as you can sense the danger in this

00:45:22.160 moment um you also can sense the uh significance and uh for anyone who is not afraid or doesn't want

00:45:31.600 to live in fear this is almost the moment that we've been waiting for you know we've had this sense for

00:45:37.440 a long time now that things are escalating right everything's accelerating one minute it's gay marriage and

00:45:43.440 the next minute i've got to have transgender people in the schools you know teaching kids how to twerk and 1.00

00:45:48.400 doing lap dances and suddenly now my kids are being forced to read book after book about about rape um

00:45:54.160 you know and and this kind of thing and so none of that is normal we all know that right and we knew

00:46:00.800 that we were heading to a breaking point there have been many attempts i believe and most of them unreported

00:46:07.200 to bring us to a breaking point and people have been working very diligently legally and quietly

00:46:14.320 very calmly behind the scenes to prevent uh you know uh sort of false flag attacks and things like

00:46:21.360 that and um and we may never know their names we may never know everything that's been done but there

00:46:27.680 are people who have given everything silently unpaid um people who have worked under the constitution

00:46:34.640 right to protect us and so now what's happened is that the matador is in the ring right we've gone

00:46:41.680 through the first stage of the bull fight right where everybody was bringing out the bulls and the

00:46:46.160 fanfare and uh and and getting the crowd ready and then you you had you know the the uh lower matadors

00:46:54.480 who are in the ring tiring out the bull that's what we've been going through we've been tiring out the

00:46:58.880 the bull with the election fraud and uh russia collusion and all of these things but obviously

00:47:05.120 trump is the matador right and the deep state the people who clearly have demonstrated they do not

00:47:13.040 have the interests of this nation at heart this is not their first priority they're more concerned

00:47:20.720 about uh global sovereignty right they're more concerned about a new world order about opening up the

00:47:27.920 borders and diluting the the number of patriots in this company country you know about um global

00:47:34.800 organizations and global solutions to problems that don't actually exist that they can't even define

00:47:40.240 like climate um they're more interested in that they've shown us where their priorities lie it's more

00:47:46.080 important to biden and those uh behind him to send money to ukraine to fight a war that we all know

00:47:52.720 um is not as depicted rather than to use that money to address what is happening to american citizens at

00:48:01.840 home and i don't typically like those kind of arguments but we're now talking about such a scale

00:48:07.600 right where you're seeing this happen um and and it's you can't deny it anymore because it's right in

00:48:14.320 front of your eyes and if you are in denial about it this is your moment to wake up and seize the

00:48:21.200 opportunity because you can argue that uh trump is unlikable you can argue that you know his

00:48:28.160 personality is abrasive and he's not statesman like and you can make all those kind of arguments i would

00:48:33.600 argue that you're playing right into the hands of people who are trying to distract you if you do um

00:48:40.000 you know if you do pay attention to those arguments because the real test is in the actions of the man

00:48:46.240 not what people say about him and in his actions what we have seen is that he has put america first

00:48:53.120 he drained the swamp with things like uh you know declassifying space force he took uh really he took

00:48:59.840 billions of dollars of dark money and dark money is where you know people in washington get rich

00:49:06.320 right because there's no oversight and he put that into the light overnight and what we got caught up in

00:49:12.320 his arguments in the media about trump said he would you know he would drain the swamp but look

00:49:16.720 at all the you know swamp creatures in his administration all of that was part of the war

00:49:22.640 of information right in a fifth generation warfare where we've been in a war of narratives and now now

00:49:30.320 he's in the ring he's drawing the bull to him and we are going to see a fight to the death because as he

00:49:37.200 said in waco when he spoke i think just last weekend we are in a fight to the death and people can listen

00:49:44.160 to this and they can say oh she's crazy right remember when she used to be at 60 minutes wow 0.60

00:49:48.640 she was fantastic then but now she's lost her mind well you know it's kind of uh it's kind of like when

00:49:54.560 people say to you you can believe or not believe in satan right but it's still real and you speak to

00:50:01.200 any satanist and they can tell you very clearly they can demonstrate to you how real it is it's kind of

00:50:06.560 like that now we're in a fight for our survival the real enemies are not democrats versus republicans

00:50:12.720 and left versus right this is a clarifying moment that will truly reveal once and for all who the

00:50:21.360 rhinos are right because if you're a rhino if you're you know if you're an american there's no sitting on

00:50:28.000 the fence in this moment not at all and it's also a moment if you're a democrat that is a defining

00:50:36.240 moment because there are many democrats across this country who know in their hearts that this

00:50:42.400 is wrong now there are people who think i hate trump so much i don't care if it's a political persecution

00:50:48.320 i just want him gone he has to be stopped if you have fallen for that narrative then unfortunately you

00:50:54.720 have been deceived and maybe there are many good people who've been deceived but that is not going to

00:50:59.840 stop the march of time right because we are headed on a path now and uh and you know there's only one

00:51:07.600 winner in a war we one of the false narratives is that you can have these wars that go on forever

00:51:12.000 and nobody ever has to win and then suddenly they become unwinnable well that's a lie because every war

00:51:17.040 isn't winnable it's just a question of what you're prepared to do it's the political will that loses wars or

00:51:23.200 turns them into stalemates it's never the capabilities because we didn't even use 10 percent of our advanced

00:51:29.440 military capability on the battlefields in iraq and afghanistan right we never even did that we chose

00:51:35.520 not to win those wars ultimately and so what you see here is this is a moment where americans

00:51:44.320 who have been very complacent for a very long time who have enjoyed the benefit of the sacrifices made by

00:51:52.000 the founding fathers right and the people who died fighting for this republic they have had the benefits

00:52:00.080 of that and but what did the founding fathers say they asked us not to do what they did they asked

00:52:06.480 they didn't ask for the ultimate sacrifice they asked us to protect it and to fight for it and we

00:52:12.960 thought we could hold on to it without fighting that's what we thought steve why do you think that what

00:52:18.880 in your life have you ever won without being in the ring when you left 60 minutes you became

00:52:26.080 really a prophet you have called this shot almost to a tee real quickly how do people get to your

00:52:30.320 podcast all your writings um on local on twitter on true social and uh soon on lara logan.com and sovereign

00:52:42.880 lara logan uh you've done an amazing job of calling these shots your voice needs to be heard now more

00:52:47.600 than ever honored to have you on here thank you you know what back tomorrow morning 10 a.m in the worm

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WarRoom Battleground EP 263： Trouble In Australian Parliament; AI Out Of Control

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