WarRoom Battleground EP 276： A Patriot's History Of The United States
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Larry Swikert is the co-author of The Patriot's History of the United States and a very special patriot's history. He is the author of The People's History, a book that was a response to Howard Zinn's People s History. It's a work by a Marxist Marxist that takes a look at the history of the USA from a Marxist perspective.
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this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the authoritarians
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get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just like in georgia
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it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations
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this is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the fight
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all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your host
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stephen k bannon okay welcome wednesday 19 april year of our lord 2023 uh very special guest larry
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swikert um the author or the co-author of the patriot's history of the united states and a
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very special patriot's history it is larry this the 15th anniversary was the 15th anniversary in the 40th
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printing i mean how many books today go through 40 printings at all and how many do it in 15 years sir
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yeah not very many steve you'll love this one i found a little factoid that howard zinn once said of
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his people's history that in its first 10 years it went through 25 printings and sold over 300 000 copies
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well in the first 10 years of patriot's history we sold over 320 000 copies and went through 27 printings
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so uh i don't know if we're catching him now because so many schools use his book but um
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and and especially when you consider the book came out in 2004 and it kind of leveled off for a while
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and then in 2010 when i was on glenn beck's show when he had a lot of viewers three and a half million
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viewers a night it just exploded and it's been staying up there ever since i mean i thought we were
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only in our like 30th printing or something i asked the publisher where are we now 40th printing i mean
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that's a lot tell me let's go i want to compare and contrast you you kind of wrote it as a response
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to howard zinn walk people through the people's history of the united states and uh and the damage
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that's done and then i want to compare and contrast because i as you know i'm a huge fan
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of uh of your book of the patriots of the united states and you got the modern world
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all of it but look i wanted i wanted the initial when i always thought of it when it first came out
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was always in comparison to howard zinn's book and that's how most people thought it was and
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actually our origins were a little different we uh mike and i just wanted a textbook that we didn't have
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to argue against when we taught our u.s history class we found that all the existing textbooks we were
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constantly arguing against the book that was that's no way to teach and we we'd heard of people's
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history but the book wasn't really designed to be a antidote or a counter to that because we really
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didn't know a whole lot about it we were too busy working on our our own book and it was huge you see
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how big it is behind me it's a thousand pages and when we turned it into the publisher it was two
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thousand pages and they go uh you have to cut a little bit here so uh but we we did take on all
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of the lies and all of the mistruths that are in people's history the united states uh and and this
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has affected so many people because as i said it is on all college campuses virtually every college campus
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will have some u.s history course that uses people's history the united states to teach the history
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and and it's just rotten in so many ways i can't even oh hang on whoa whoa whoa larry larry it's
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worse it's in it's in most high schools i think public i see people assign this to public people's
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history to pop and you've got all the celebrities that came out we're all morons right but they say
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you got to read the people's history the people's history essentially is a work by a marxist and it's
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a marxist history of the united states walk through walk people through what that means when when you have
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a somebody that's a marxist that writes from a marxist perspective what do you come up with
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well as mike and i said in our introduction to our book we don't believe in america my country right or
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wrong but we certainly reject the notion my country always wrong and that's what the marxist perspective
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gives you when you start with that the notion is that anything america ever did could not be good
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could not be true or honest or noble or right it was always the result of some uh capitalist taint
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some taint by dead white guys and um that skewed the history into being this this uh whitewash
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of of what really happened and so to get where he wants to go and this is very important for your
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viewers uh zen had to lie and he had to lie and lie and lie and the way he lied most of the time
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was through the use of a little literary trick called the ellipses i know you know what this is but for
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for viewers out there don't know what it is when you write a sentence and you leave something out
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you put three dots to show hey i left something out here now the rule of thumb is it's fine to
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leave something out as long as it doesn't change the meaning if you leave something out like the word not
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if you leave something out and it changes the meaning that's absolutely verboten that is not
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acceptable because you're lying and zen did this all the time let me give you a real quick example of
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columbus his section on columbus arriving to meet the arawak indians he he portrays it as columbus
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walks ashore waving his sword and then says oh these indians and make great slave and of course he leaves
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out all the intermediate stuff that went on and basically what happened was columbus
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arise with sword and sheath and and meets with these indians and they they don't all speak
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the same language obviously so they've got to work quite a while on interpreting and finally he notices
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that they have cuts and bruises and so forth and he says where did you get those they said another
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indian tribe is trying to enslave us and he he said well they were handsome and strong creatures and i
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could see why someone would want to make slaves of them he was basically saying well i can see why those
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guys were trying to enslave you and then he goes on uh zen makes it look like columbus was threatening
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them with his sword when in fact they didn't have any metal weapons and they look at his sword and they
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go you know what's that what's that and and he pulls it out and shows it to them this is a totally
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different uh interchange exchange between columbus and the indians and the way zen makes it appear
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which is this kind of hitler arriving on the shore with his sword
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let me go uh there's two things that you combat in the patriots history and i i recommend can we get
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it up on the screen memphis so we get a chance the reason i want to do this and uh we're going to talk
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about things that are going on today too but i wanted larry on here so i'm such a big fan of his
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in this book um here's and you see it right there the 15th anniversary edition it's in paperback now so
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you want it but i i do recommend that all the parents but then grandparents particularly if you have a
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young person that's maybe not to that stage yet that they're a veracious reader or something like
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that to get this book uh because i think they will delve into it uh and they will learn a lot and not
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just that the way mike and larry have written it it is it's only it's a page turner it's a very it's
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very accessible this is not a it's not a stiff um academic text it's not a typical history text
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it's incredibly engaging it larry i think that's what you and mike did michael did were which were so
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powerful is you made it accessible it's like you're reading a great narrative history of the country
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the other thing that came up you know i see part of this was yeah go ahead go ahead sir well you
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know i can't i just finished a homeschool convention and we have a full curriculum
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for high schoolers that goes through this book including me teaching every chapter and video 22
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chapters 22 units you can see this at wild world of history.com it's my website wild world of history.com
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um but i can't tell you how rewarding it is to have eighth graders and sometimes even younger come
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up and go oh i read your book such a good book i love your book eighth grader it reads my phrases it
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reads like butter it really is a an easy read despite the imposing nature of the size of the book
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you had uh and i think the imposing nature actually makes it better because once people are
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into it they go hey i can handle reading a big book like this it gets to be something they can
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turn around there's two things one you were kind of a counter to zen but almost as importantly and i
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think you guys maybe it wasn't at the top of their mind but you definitely had something to do with it
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how powerful this book got in the early 2010 was the 1619 project because if you want to have a counter
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and we've had some great people on that that that put up information as counter and they're all terrific
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but if you want to read a sweeping narrative history of the arc of america for all her faults
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and it's really a journey of overcoming these issues right in the conflicts around it and always going
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next level walk me through the 1619 project how does that compare and contrast to the story we we
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read in um in the patriot's history well 1619 project in a nutshell says that america is not
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exceptional because america had slaves beginning in 1619 in virginia and what we argue in patriot's
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history is from the four pillars of american exceptionalism pillar one a christian mostly
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protestant religious tradition which is important not for reasons of theology but because of the bottom
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up nature of the pilgrims and the puritans and most of the early sects in the quakers who settled here
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they were bottom-up religion number two is a common law which is a bottom-up way of doing government
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that is god puts the law in the hearts of the people this is mentioned twice in the bible once in the
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old testament once in the new testament god puts the law in the hearts of the people and they select or elect
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leaders to carry that out pillar number three is um private property with written titles and deeds
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something much of africa still doesn't have today and number four is a free market economy you'll notice
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what word was left out of that slavery slavery appears nowhere in the four pillars of american
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exceptionalism because a it was ubiquitous it was everywhere everybody had slaves and the muslims at
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the time were the largest slave traders in the world and b it had nothing to do with the other four
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pillars and the most important of which are the first two the ground up religion and the bottom up
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governance and so that's why we argue that plymouth and not jamestown was really the focus of america's
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founding and and therefore the 1619 project is it's irrelevant
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because james want me through that why do you being a virginian i remember as a young uh a young boy
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it was always this huge controversy every thanksgiving this is back in the 50s and 60s
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who had the first thanksgiving who was really the founder of jamestown as you grow older you you realize
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that jamestown is a group of freebooters entrepreneurs we'll call them freebooters and and
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plymouth was really a an incredible and i gotta tell you the both of the stories are incredible
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because they barely hung on but um the plymouth thing is extraordinary but why do you say that
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plymouth is more important why is the bottom up and the religious nature of a more important than
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the more entrepreneurial uh freebooter uh element of the american spirit well the uh jamestown of course
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did not have any uh bottom up religion all anyone who was religious was an anglican and that's top
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down um also they they didn't have common law they were governed by the london company who was in turn
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governed by the king but on the mayflower before they even get off the boat they they select their own
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governor and they say all right we got these guys called strangers they're not pilgrims they're not puritans
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we're gonna make them equal and that was unheard of in human history that you would make other people
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who didn't necessarily have the same rights you thought you had and just give them your rights
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as well so it's those two bottom-up elements that i think make um plymouth the heartland is is that is
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that incorporated in the mayflower compact they they basically understood they needed some governing
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instrument and in doing that the strangers who were some of the sailors and other people that
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weren't part of the sect itself they gave them equal status in that and then everybody had to pull
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together right and and um they call themselves a body politic uh which is kind of interesting
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an interesting phrase and of course you know the first thing they did was they they told the king
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that they weren't engaged in treason because they were on in the wrong spot oh great king buddy pal listen
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man we didn't mean to be here and please don't draw and quarter us and and then they went into the
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whole uh governance thing um but as you mentioned both colonies did suffer incredibly from their
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stupidity in accepting a socialist form of economics when they got off the boat and and of course at
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jamestown after the second winter they had the starving time where the diaries reflect that the people
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were eating rats and dung and shoelaces and you know my wife and i love these cooking shows like
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chopped and you get the market basket of goods and oh look what we have here rat dung shoelaces and a
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rock and of course you know that the cooks always know well i'm great i know what i'm doing with that
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i'm gonna make our rat puree over over baked dung anyway but um and they both colonies quickly
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throughout socialism uh jamestown within two years and uh plymouth within one year william bradford said
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he was speaking about socialism and he said it is though we thought we were wiser than god to adopt
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socialism walk me through you know he's talked about the first two the christian it's not about
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theology you're saying a bottoms up not not the catholicism not anglican which was really a spinoff
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not these religions that really are have a priest cast and it kind of comes down from the top and
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in your is nothing it has nothing to do with your religious beliefs or how holy you are or how close
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to god just the difference we say bottom up there and english common law of being bottom up there not
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not uh not looking at the law the commercial law of the british east india company or any of these
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the virginia company whatever's put together that goes back to the king he gets his 20 off the top
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then you divvy up the rest what is the big guy right um the big guy you you would you would
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think that that would lay out populism and today you know we're talking about this populist nationalist
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movement really magus kind of taking over the republican party and all we talk about populism we
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talk about andrew jackson are you saying and we listed the four you said the first two were really the
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driving forces of american exceptionalism is that because american exception was predicated upon what
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we would refer to as populism i think that's fair i mean you look at at these guys they um they created a
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system in which um not only were they equal but they said we are so equal that we think that that even if
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you pose a slight threat not not a mortal threat but a slight threat to our theology or our way of life
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we aren't going to kill you we aren't even going to torture you we're just going to say you got to go
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someplace else you can't stay here and so that's what we see with roger williams and ann hutchinson
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and so many others is the puritans unlike any other group in history including many protestant
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churches in europe they didn't burn you at the stake because you were in their view a heretic they
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just said that doesn't fly here go someplace else and so how about rhode island yeah that's a good place
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go to rhode island what uh one of the things that not criticisms observation is that and you see in
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your book it has been from the beginning there was definitely a conflict between the white settlers
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that came in the in the aborigines or the or the the native americans that were here from the constant
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what i don't i think that critics of this missed the point that the the native americans the indians
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were very sophisticated they had a very sophisticated of their own foreign policy they
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had series of alliances and networks and either enslaving other tribes but from the very person
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you see it in in plymouth and you see it in virginia and it rolls throughout the entire history of really
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till the i guess the 1880s that the indians have a very sophisticated and it comes up in the in the in
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the french french uh indian wars where you had these alliances right the iroquois and the hurons
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talk to us about that talk to us about the sophistication of how whether it was pontiac or
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tecumseh they they had an incredibly sophisticated view of how they dealt with each other and the
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whites were just part of that with the mexicans in the southwest and the whites that came in on the
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eastern seaboard well and and this is um as you rightly say this is reflected in their alliances
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and at first none of them thought the whites would be the power to worry about uh to them we were we
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were a new group the whites were usurpers but no different to the hurons than the mohicans are no
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different to the mohicans than the iroquois and as you you mentioned the the far west as you get further
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west you see very shocking uh wars between the sioux and the cheyenne and what's so astounding you know
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one of the great heroes uh in american history is chief sitting bull of this suit and what he did that
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was so astounding was that he allied all five of the sioux tribes who didn't get along together and
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somehow he got the cheyenne their hated enemy to join in the alliance as well against custer and terry
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and some of the rest so there's a book that we source on this a fairly recent book uh called the
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middle ground by richard white and he makes this very argument that the indians were constantly playing
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one tribe off against the other against the whites against the spanish whoever it was
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it was just um think of bavaria uh or or one of the smaller saxony one of the small german states
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in the border between prussia and france and and austria trying to stay alive and that's the way most
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of these indian confederations were and by the way steve you know talking about sophistication we always
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hear how the the dutch swindled the indians out of long island for uh trinkets and blankets
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worth only a few hundred dollars but you've got to remember two things one is the indians in that
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area like the plains indians had no sense of private property and land that is they did not think it was
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possible for a human to actually own land and of course when fences go up they go what what's going
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on here this isn't right so second thing is they did not have iron they did not have skillets they
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did not have some of the finer woven blankets and stuff or or claws that were being exchanged to them
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in other words the indians thought they were getting the better of that deal we're getting all this stuff
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you can actually possess and we're trading away what was to them rights to the air
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i want to go there's another thing in the book that comes up in american history i don't think
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it's discussed enough is this there's a tendency in particular parts of the country for these massive
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religious revivals and it's upstate new york i think they call the burnt over district i mean if you
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look at the number of religions and sects that come out of there if you study world history it's pretty
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amazing that certain parts of north america with the settlers have come up with the you know
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there's dozens and dozens i think new york state has generated i don't know a half a dozen to 12
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major religious uh movements and sects what is it about that what is about this country what is about
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the land what is about the the the structure of society that led in particularly in the 18th and 19
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early 19th century mid 19th century the formation of so many of these religious movements well that's
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that's a good question you know it's very interesting in that it ties into our adaptation of the very
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language we have a language called american that is nothing like english and it starts very early in the
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early 1700s and and you begin to incorporate foreign words such as boss from the dutch uh later lasso lariat
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patio from the spanish or portage or cash or crevasse from the french or from um black slaves caucus or mass
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meeting and so a lot of our language uh starts to also come out of our religious experience there so we
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had uh campfire meeting and these are especially popular in the um carolinas area where creatures would
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go out and just hold a church service and in a forest around a campfire and this goes back to the bottom
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up right because you didn't have to wait to be an ordained minister if you could read the bible and
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you could convince people that your interpretation of it was pretty sound people would follow you and
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you would have a church which is really where methodism grows in america's in these campfire meetings so
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you get up to new york and and you've got again this guy joseph smith goes out and he says hey i found
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these tablets i'm going to tell a compelling tale top to bottom believe it or not and and he develops
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the the uh church of latter-day saint and you've got seventh-day adventists you've got christian
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scientists all coming out of this well why because it's it's all bottom up it's all coming from the
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people it's not being directed top down and and when you you made that comment about um uh people coming
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over here uh almost like criminals i forget your exact phrase i was thinking well sort of like
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australia right we're we're almost like australia but but indeed the the church experience was based
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on this idea of independence that laity could lead church services and meetings in a very democratic
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manner of course that's exactly what the quakers are anyone can stand up and speak and and no one is
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addressed as sir that that kind of thing how big how big a figure in your pages how big a figure is
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andrew jackson in in the midst of time he's kind of considered you know bloody bloody andrew jackson when
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president trump embraced him people were shocked uh back when you read those histories he's as big as
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washington and lincoln in the patriots history in your arc tell me about jackson and and populism in the
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end particularly the anti-federal reserve or the anti-bank of the united states central bank uh idea that he
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he hated central banks he hated bankers right well jackson gets almost a full chapter in our book
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um surprisingly people think that jackson shrank government he did not uh government grew every
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year under jackson maybe not as fast but it still grew um grew per capita grew in total dollar terms
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um jackson's um jackson's a very strange guy he um leads these indian campaigns in florida and then
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right before um the battle of new orleans he leads an indian campaign against the creek indians known as the
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red sticks and he very much detests many of the indians because he thinks they allied with the british
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in the american revolution he is opposed to some banks and and we argue that it's a myth that he
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hated all banks because he takes the money out of the bank of the united states and puts it in a whole
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bunch of his friends banks he was just against the bus because it was in the wrong hands it was in the
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hands of the whigs and he wanted to take away their money and put in the hands of the democrats uh bank
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of the united states and this was my specialty back in grad school my phd is really in economic
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history but the bank of the united states was not a central bank the government only owned 20 percent
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of it they didn't really direct much of of anything and most of all the bankers and the people were very
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happy hang on for one second larry we'll take a short commercial break we're back it's the uh 15th
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anniversary the 40th printing of a seminal work in the mega movement that would be the patriots
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for the patriot's history of the united states its 15th anniversary its 40th printing
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larry uh for particularly our our young charges uh that are going to get this now from their parents
00:32:01.980
uh at a thousand pages you know that you're getting a book when you get this right there's no doubt it's
00:32:08.000
it's a it's a hefty title but you are you shocked me about and this is i think i've done this three
00:32:13.920
or four times with larry i love you he's such a great storyteller um that i love having him on um
00:32:19.220
you cut a thousand pages out first off how did you and michael decide that and where did that get
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rolled into the modern history or is that thousand pages always could be a supplement we could republish i
00:32:30.860
mean how did you figure out how to do that that's not easy dealing with authors before i can tell you get
00:32:36.680
getting it taken 20 pages out is is like pulling teeth well remember our purpose was to get a
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textbook that we thought we could use to teach with and we didn't think we're going to get a publisher
00:32:47.460
we thought we'd print it and bind it and sell it out of the back of a van or maybe along with other
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banned items such as plastic straws in california you know buddy plastic straws patriot's history
00:33:01.080
but uh um there were lots of vignettes and and character studies such as mike fink king of the river
00:33:10.180
and uh just dozens of indian chiefs and so on um all sorts of people throughout history that we would
00:33:17.860
we would give a page or a page and a half of kind of a character study or a business study
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to so all of those went all the sidebars except i think two of them went and and that chopped a lot
00:33:29.840
um but the rest of the material a lot of it can be found on the wild world of history.com website
00:33:37.220
if you look around under the blogs and some of the other things there i put many many of these things
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in little um one to one and a half page uh vignettes uh that are free free on the site so just go to
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wildworldofhistory.com and and look around there and um even then when we turned it into the publisher
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it was still about 1200 pages and the editor there took out 200 and even then she said we got to get
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another i forget what she said 2 000 words out of it and she couldn't figure out how to do it so we sent
00:34:13.960
it to an outside editor who cut it yet again and actually made it work and remember this for all the people
00:34:20.340
that are watching this uh every time i updated or mike and i update this thing we got to cut more
00:34:26.920
stuff because we're adding more stuff so it's it's always a battle for a history what do you cut out
00:34:34.040
you you were like two questions i got one number one you were the first one of the first guys i know
00:34:39.220
that saw the potential in trump and trumpism given your understanding the arc of american history
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why was when trump came on scene why not his presidency but why was the beginning of the trump
00:34:51.000
movement something that you could see the resonance of well that's easy because in in the bush
00:34:58.420
administration what we saw was that the elites tried to ram through amnesty and for the first time in my
00:35:05.400
memory the people stood up and said no absolutely not they so flooded congress the phone calls and
00:35:12.500
angry telegrams and letters and emails do you remember this they had to pull the amnesty bill
00:35:19.060
that bush and congress supported i mean that's a big win right there that was i know they've they've
00:35:25.320
gotten around it in other ways but that was a big win at that time so and being here in arizona even
00:35:30.580
though i was living in ohio at the time but i'm acutely aware of the impact of illegal immigration
00:35:35.320
so when i saw trump in um it was less than a month after he announced here in phoenix i was on vacation
00:35:44.880
here in phoenix and i saw that his speaking venue had been moved from a the phoenician hotel which
00:35:51.300
held like 200 to the phoenix convention center which held thousands i knew he was on to something and
00:35:59.840
based on what i kept hearing people talk about it was illegal immigration now it might not be quite
00:36:06.220
the issue today that it was in 16 but in 16 that was a huge issue and trump was over here and there
00:36:15.420
were 16 other candidates on the other side of the stage and there was no question in my mind that he
00:36:21.160
had achieved the high moral ground on the illegal immigration debate how does his i know it's too early
00:36:29.700
for historian to be able to place it but as your first cut his his first term his his presidency to
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date we know he's coming back after a tough slog for a second term but where do you put him in the in
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the in the in the in the arc of uh of presidents and in the country is your first cut well prior to
00:36:52.080
china virus prior to 2020 i would have had him in the top five in terms of what he achieved number
00:36:59.680
one what he achieved relative to what he said he was going to do which is at the top of everybody
00:37:05.220
except george washington i mean he achieved almost everything he said he was going to do or he got it
00:37:10.620
as far as he could possibly get it uh with congress before they would block him uh then the china virus hit
00:37:17.780
and and that caused him uh a number of problems most notably he had to make a choice whether to advance
00:37:24.800
the vaccine or let it run its course and i know what he was being advised by everybody it's the same
00:37:30.920
thing bush was being advised in 2002 which was the wmds are there everybody says they're going to kill
00:37:38.420
millions you got to take them out and he was trump was being besieged by this same thing this virus will
00:37:44.180
kill 20 million americans if you don't hit it and hit it hard and and so he briefly for a period of
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about six months kind of fell into that and that damaged him but more important the lockdowns
00:37:56.660
allowed the democrat party to engage in massive widespread cheating we had never seen before
00:38:01.960
um the other thing that you have to rate presidents on i'm sorry it's like winning in the playoffs you
00:38:09.220
know oh dallas cowboys have a great team well how many super roles have they won since the 90s none
00:38:13.400
okay they don't have a great team uh you got to win election and even if it was by fraud trump lost
00:38:21.100
and so you can't give him an a for his first presidential term i give him an a minus or b plus
00:38:29.320
uh because of the china virus response and the fact that um he he had some responsibility in the fraud
00:38:36.560
and not seeking it out and and attacking it earlier than he did beforehand but yeah you're saying you're
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you're you're washington lincoln jackson i take it reagan fdr is the top five uh you're saying all
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of those won re-election that that's one of the if you want to get in that upper tier you whether they
00:38:57.900
steal it or not you got to have that you got to check it off that and look we're the adamant that
00:39:01.860
he won right but unfortunately he's not 1600 pennsylvania avenue was stolen let me um and by the way
00:39:07.800
my top five today my top five would be washington nobody can top washington for what he did for this
00:39:14.340
country lincoln and then number three i have reagan and then number four i've got calvin coolidge who
00:39:20.820
gave us five years of peace and prosperity and got re-elected and and then i would probably put
00:39:26.320
you know trump up there right close to that and grover cleveland larry is a hardcore you're a you're a
00:39:33.540
hardcore you're a you're a former libertarian correct you gotta you gotta but if you got calvin
00:39:38.560
coolidge you gotta be a libertarian you're killing me i love silent cal you know the story for your
00:39:44.720
viewers who don't know calvin coolidge you gotta read about this guy he was he was literally born
00:39:50.240
on the fourth of july right and um he's known as silent cal because he just didn't say a whole lot
00:39:56.420
he just got immediately to the nub of the issue and shut up and so he's at a dinner party one night
00:40:01.400
and this woman looks over to his mr president i i bet you a dollar i can get you to say more than
00:40:06.540
three words and he looks at her and he says you lose
00:40:09.760
no he was by the people that love him and have studied it loving i know there's a number of there's
00:40:18.560
a calvin coolidge society there's been a number of books people that love him love him today when
00:40:23.280
you look at the transgender ideology when you look at the invasion on the southern border when you look
00:40:28.060
at what has happened geopolitically that now we're in a war at the eurasian landmass with what i call
00:40:33.300
the legion of doom china russia persia you know saudi arabia when you look at what's happened to
00:40:39.380
you're an economic historian you look at what's happening in the in the de-dollarization the the
00:40:43.760
spending the debt out of control the federal reserve really as a backstop that just keeps
00:40:48.260
printing money everything that's just happened since the biden regime has come in give put that
00:40:54.080
in the arc i keep saying if the if the particularly the concentration of wealth if if the framers
00:40:58.680
came back and are founding if the revolutionary generation number one and then the framers because
00:41:04.220
they were kind of two different groups came back today they would spit on the floor of what we have
00:41:09.560
allowed to happen to this great republic i'd like your thoughts sir no that that's right i mean if you
00:41:16.300
look objectively and of course no democrat can be objective but if you look objectively and you said
00:41:23.180
if somebody deliberately wanted to destroy this nation would they have done anything different
00:41:29.420
than what joe biden as i affectionately call him the rutabaga as as would they have done anything
00:41:36.420
different than what he has done and the answer is no he he hasn't done one thing to make america
00:41:42.000
stronger and every single thing he has done has made us weaker and then you mentioned the kind of
00:41:47.180
trans movement i sensed a couple of years ago that that was going to be a a serious serious focal point
00:41:55.840
and maybe the tipping point in the war against woke and i think we're seeing that finally appear
00:42:03.500
everywhere from the the public disdain of disney and how its recent movies have all they haven't crashed
00:42:13.360
but none of them have made their money back and none of them are going to be money winners whether
00:42:17.380
it's ant-man whether it's the dc version which is uh you know black adam or or uh shazam
00:42:24.500
and then you look at movies today that have no woke message at all whether it's jesus revolution which
00:42:31.600
has made an astounding 153 million dollars on an investment of under 500 000 you kidding me
00:42:39.700
or or you look at um john wick 4 which is a 350 million dollars or you look at the mario brothers
00:42:47.600
movie which in one weekend has eclipsed ant-man and none of these have an ounce of woke in them
00:42:53.520
so people are really battling back and and our most recent which everybody knows about was the bud light
00:43:02.560
fiasco where this idiot mid-level executive uh all these people all come from marketing and human
00:43:09.480
relations and and you you get this person out there that puts a transoid as the uh as the face
00:43:15.960
of bud light and it's just but the person yeah but but but but these these big corporations have
00:43:21.320
been all into this gay pride and all into the rainbow thing for a long time it's zero that it's
00:43:26.100
zero probability she made the decision that went up to the chain that went up the chain command
00:43:30.000
they're all saying now oh we didn't do it it's some yep i've only got 10 minutes i gotta do two things
00:43:35.280
number one the patriot's history of the modern world the patriot's history itself technically
00:43:40.300
cuts off when when do you stop this book ends when and then you've got two volumes later of the
00:43:45.740
patriot's history of the modern world so where does patriot's history leave us and then where do you
00:43:50.100
pick up on the patriot's history of the modern world which is a separate book separate two volumes
00:43:53.580
okay so patriot's history of the united states goes up to 2018 in this edition i have been working on
00:44:00.080
and have updated the period 2018 to 23 i will make it available free on the wild world of history.com
00:44:08.160
website probably sometime later this summer it's basically one new chapter a big chapter and a lot
00:44:14.240
of inserted stuff that we had to take out earlier in various places so you can kind of read along and
00:44:19.420
read the book and then read what's on the web and pdf and insert it yourself patriot's history of the
00:44:25.040
modern world came about in 2012 and 13 and again it was so big it was about 1500 pages when we turned
00:44:31.600
it in they made us break it into two books volume one volume two and actually those cut off a little
00:44:37.700
bit sooner than patriot's history of the united states because when when we finished those is about
00:44:42.580
2013 and patriot's history united states cuts off at 2018 um and so uh i will be updating but you're able
00:44:53.020
to you're you're you're able to you're able to do a more in-depth look at the modern world whereas
00:44:57.780
patriot's history may be a little more condensed than that you're able to do a more thing i know
00:45:01.400
you've been very fun it's linden marx gandhi all the big names right yes um you have been very focused
00:45:12.620
i've known you for a number of years since before the first trump victory back in my breitbart days you
00:45:17.660
have been very focused as many of us have on globalization and i know you're working on a big
00:45:23.740
project i don't know if we want to announce it now maybe later but walk me through globalization
00:45:28.580
your your take on globalization and and the impact that's had on american history
00:45:34.500
well first thing people need to understand as with all things nothing is new under the sun
00:45:41.040
solomon said that uh globalism is not a new phenomenon the congress of vienna in 1814 was the
00:45:49.040
first meeting of the globalists and of course on the outside they were supposed to be meeting to just
00:45:55.660
reconstruct europe after napoleon but everybody in europe kind of more of the common people thought
00:46:02.580
that they were going to undertake a a major attempt to get rid of monarchs and put in place representative
00:46:09.300
government and that didn't happen at all uh one of the uh advisors to metternich uh one of the four
00:46:16.820
big names at the congress of vienna said they think we're up here to give power to the people but
00:46:22.620
basically we're up here to carve up europe like a turkey and and so you can is this why is this why
00:46:30.220
is this why henry kissinger loves metternich so much and wrote his thesis his first book was on metternich
00:46:35.500
is this is this why henry the k loves uh loves a congress he thinks that's a great thing that they
00:46:42.000
did and he says you know they ushered in an era peace i guess he forgot about the crimean war and
00:46:47.340
the franco-prussian war merely two major wars in the next 50 years i mean yeah that's that's peace all
00:46:52.680
right but we could jump up to versailles which most of your viewers know about in trying to re-establish
00:46:59.520
uh europe after world war one and literally wilson and and george clemenceau and david lloyd george
00:47:06.700
were huddled around maps bending over as one observer said like a giant gorilla in an ivory suit
00:47:14.020
and they're moving boundaries and they're moving map lines and they're literally moving millions of
00:47:19.460
people who are contained in these lines without any regard to national ethnicity or or heritage or
00:47:26.400
anything else and they're creating thousands of problems as as they do this but again they were
00:47:32.040
playing god they thought they could play god and you can then go up to the post-world war ii era where
00:47:37.700
the scientists championed a global body to take care of nuclear weapons atomic weapons and and they
00:47:44.640
thought that only this global body would be able to control the spread of these weapons and gee
00:47:49.960
maybe that global body should be run by scientists and so i i carry this new book um patriots history
00:47:57.440
of globalism its rise and decline i carry that all the way up to the present and we are seeing
00:48:02.840
some evidence of the decline of globalism these guys are on their heel
00:48:07.600
give me uh when the time we get about four minutes left i want your perspective of a lot of people in our
00:48:15.500
audience obviously we're the you know the the platform for maga we've got all these activists
00:48:20.980
fighters every day but i do get every now and again and think hey it feels so terrible for the country
00:48:26.760
i want to give up i just don't see any hope the forces arrayed against us arrayed against patriots
00:48:32.520
and sovereigntists are so great what are your words of wisdom for us understanding the deep roots
00:48:37.700
in in the history of this country from from the early uh what the early 17th uh the early 16th century
00:48:44.600
well to quote the black knight after both his arms and both his legs were cut off i've had worse
00:48:51.180
you know we've been in worse shape we've actually almost fallen to the british they they'd actually
00:48:57.880
captured washington dc um the civil war uh we we came within one battle of losing that and becoming
00:49:05.280
two nations uh there were times in world war ii right before the battle of midway it looked like the
00:49:11.440
allies might actually lose and we'd have to negotiate a peace with hitler so so one answer is
00:49:17.460
uh we've been here before and uh history has a way of surprising people and has a way of turning on a
00:49:26.340
dime but i would say a more important message is the message that gandall gives to the little hobbit
00:49:33.780
when they're on the ramparts they're in the final battle of ministerith and they're looking at and
00:49:39.640
there's there's tens and tens of thousands of of orcs everywhere and the the little hobbit basically
00:49:45.600
says we can't win this can we and and gandalf looks down and he says no we can't but sometimes
00:49:51.360
those are these the most important battles to fight now i think we can win it but even if we couldn't
00:49:57.600
this is the most important battle we have to fight we have to fight it sometime why not now
00:50:06.800
larry how do people get to all your content how do they get all this
00:50:12.320
okay so we've got wildworldhistory.com we have a great book offer now uh on the presidents which
00:50:19.380
is patriots history and reagan the american president and dragon slayers in which i interviewed
00:50:24.600
you several times and um we've got an ongoing by larry a coffee program we're gonna make patriots
00:50:31.880
history into a movie by hooker by crook and and there will be a place on there where you can buy
00:50:37.960
larry a coffee for five bucks every dime goes into the movie fund and so if you don't see it there
00:50:44.120
email me at larry at wildworldhistory.com and i'll give you the the coffee link but you can get
00:50:50.460
everything including the two out of print volumes of patriots history the modern world in pdf
00:50:55.720
on the wildworldhistory.com larry it's been uh it's been honored to have you on here congratulations
00:51:03.520
uh as a counter to howard zinn uh 15 years of 15th anniversary 40 printings and you're still grinding
00:51:11.800
away it's still a great uh great storyteller and a great spirit and uh a huge the maga movement has
00:51:18.440
its own historians so uh in-house historians but thank you honored to have you on here sir
00:51:22.400
thank you steve okay uh we're gonna be back uh we'll be back live again tomorrow 10 a.m uh it'll
00:51:31.340
be as heated as anything you've seen there's so much going on in the world today i've never seen a
00:51:36.000
news cycle like this and it's only going to get more intense and more intense and more intense and
00:51:40.820
that's why uh you know one thing i didn't get a chance to ask larry but i'll have him back on in
00:51:45.040
the weeks and talk about artificial intelligence transhumanism uh the convergence into the uh uh
00:51:51.680
into into all this to the singularity the point homo sapiens on this side homo sapiens plus on the
00:51:57.260
other a massive major inflection point in all of human history we'll be back at 10 o'clock maybe the
00:52:02.660
more i don't say mundane but uh more nuts and bolts of the modern world and your place in it when we