Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 276： A Patriot's History Of The United States

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:15.040 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the authoritarians

00:00:22.800 get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just like in georgia

00:00:28.560 it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations

00:00:33.600 this is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the fight

00:00:37.920 all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your host

00:00:44.640 stephen k bannon okay welcome wednesday 19 april year of our lord 2023 uh very special guest larry

00:00:53.440 swikert um the author or the co-author of the patriot's history of the united states and a

00:00:59.680 very special patriot's history it is larry this the 15th anniversary was the 15th anniversary in the 40th

00:01:07.840 printing i mean how many books today go through 40 printings at all and how many do it in 15 years sir

00:01:15.760 yeah not very many steve you'll love this one i found a little factoid that howard zinn once said of

00:01:23.440 his people's history that in its first 10 years it went through 25 printings and sold over 300 000 copies

00:01:33.360 well in the first 10 years of patriot's history we sold over 320 000 copies and went through 27 printings

00:01:40.320 so uh i don't know if we're catching him now because so many schools use his book but um

00:01:46.080 and and especially when you consider the book came out in 2004 and it kind of leveled off for a while

00:01:51.760 and then in 2010 when i was on glenn beck's show when he had a lot of viewers three and a half million

00:01:56.720 viewers a night it just exploded and it's been staying up there ever since i mean i thought we were

00:02:03.520 only in our like 30th printing or something i asked the publisher where are we now 40th printing i mean

00:02:09.280 that's a lot tell me let's go i want to compare and contrast you you kind of wrote it as a response

00:02:18.320 to howard zinn walk people through the people's history of the united states and uh and the damage

00:02:24.160 that's done and then i want to compare and contrast because i as you know i'm a huge fan

00:02:29.520 of uh of your book of the patriots of the united states and you got the modern world

00:02:33.760 all of it but look i wanted i wanted the initial when i always thought of it when it first came out

00:02:39.840 was always in comparison to howard zinn's book and that's how most people thought it was and

00:02:45.760 actually our origins were a little different we uh mike and i just wanted a textbook that we didn't have

00:02:51.840 to argue against when we taught our u.s history class we found that all the existing textbooks we were

00:02:58.400 constantly arguing against the book that was that's no way to teach and we we'd heard of people's

00:03:04.320 history but the book wasn't really designed to be a antidote or a counter to that because we really

00:03:10.320 didn't know a whole lot about it we were too busy working on our our own book and it was huge you see

00:03:15.040 how big it is behind me it's a thousand pages and when we turned it into the publisher it was two

00:03:21.280 thousand pages and they go uh you have to cut a little bit here so uh but we we did take on all

00:03:30.400 of the lies and all of the mistruths that are in people's history the united states uh and and this

00:03:37.760 has affected so many people because as i said it is on all college campuses virtually every college campus

00:03:45.760 will have some u.s history course that uses people's history the united states to teach the history

00:03:51.680 and and it's just rotten in so many ways i can't even oh hang on whoa whoa whoa larry larry it's

00:03:57.120 worse it's in it's in most high schools i think public i see people assign this to public people's 0.98

00:04:02.160 history to pop and you've got all the celebrities that came out we're all morons right but they say 0.54

00:04:07.360 you got to read the people's history the people's history essentially is a work by a marxist and it's

00:04:13.200 a marxist history of the united states walk through walk people through what that means when when you have

00:04:20.480 a somebody that's a marxist that writes from a marxist perspective what do you come up with

00:04:25.840 well as mike and i said in our introduction to our book we don't believe in america my country right or

00:04:31.920 wrong but we certainly reject the notion my country always wrong and that's what the marxist perspective 0.92

00:04:38.800 gives you when you start with that the notion is that anything america ever did could not be good

00:04:45.680 could not be true or honest or noble or right it was always the result of some uh capitalist taint

00:04:55.280 some taint by dead white guys and um that skewed the history into being this this uh whitewash

00:05:04.000 of of what really happened and so to get where he wants to go and this is very important for your 0.86

00:05:10.080 viewers uh zen had to lie and he had to lie and lie and lie and the way he lied most of the time

00:05:18.400 was through the use of a little literary trick called the ellipses i know you know what this is but for

00:05:24.640 for viewers out there don't know what it is when you write a sentence and you leave something out

00:05:30.480 you put three dots to show hey i left something out here now the rule of thumb is it's fine to

00:05:36.480 leave something out as long as it doesn't change the meaning if you leave something out like the word not

00:05:44.800 if you leave something out and it changes the meaning that's absolutely verboten that is not

00:05:50.880 acceptable because you're lying and zen did this all the time let me give you a real quick example of 0.96

00:05:56.480 columbus his section on columbus arriving to meet the arawak indians he he portrays it as columbus 0.72

00:06:04.880 walks ashore waving his sword and then says oh these indians and make great slave and of course he leaves

00:06:12.480 out all the intermediate stuff that went on and basically what happened was columbus

00:06:18.080 arise with sword and sheath and and meets with these indians and they they don't all speak 1.00

00:06:24.320 the same language obviously so they've got to work quite a while on interpreting and finally he notices

00:06:30.000 that they have cuts and bruises and so forth and he says where did you get those they said another

00:06:35.280 indian tribe is trying to enslave us and he he said well they were handsome and strong creatures and i

00:06:41.920 could see why someone would want to make slaves of them he was basically saying well i can see why those

00:06:47.280 guys were trying to enslave you and then he goes on uh zen makes it look like columbus was threatening

00:06:54.800 them with his sword when in fact they didn't have any metal weapons and they look at his sword and they

00:07:01.040 go you know what's that what's that and and he pulls it out and shows it to them this is a totally

00:07:07.840 different uh interchange exchange between columbus and the indians and the way zen makes it appear

00:07:15.280 which is this kind of hitler arriving on the shore with his sword

00:07:23.040 let me go uh there's two things that you combat in the patriots history and i i recommend can we get

00:07:27.600 it up on the screen memphis so we get a chance the reason i want to do this and uh we're going to talk

00:07:31.840 about things that are going on today too but i wanted larry on here so i'm such a big fan of his

00:07:36.160 in this book um here's and you see it right there the 15th anniversary edition it's in paperback now so

00:07:41.920 you want it but i i do recommend that all the parents but then grandparents particularly if you have a

00:07:47.440 young person that's maybe not to that stage yet that they're a veracious reader or something like

00:07:53.200 that to get this book uh because i think they will delve into it uh and they will learn a lot and not

00:07:59.360 just that the way mike and larry have written it it is it's only it's a page turner it's a very it's

00:08:05.520 very accessible this is not a it's not a stiff um academic text it's not a typical history text

00:08:14.080 it's incredibly engaging it larry i think that's what you and mike did michael did were which were so

00:08:19.280 powerful is you made it accessible it's like you're reading a great narrative history of the country

00:08:27.120 the other thing that came up you know i see part of this was yeah go ahead go ahead sir well you

00:08:32.400 know i can't i just finished a homeschool convention and we have a full curriculum

00:08:37.520 for high schoolers that goes through this book including me teaching every chapter and video 22

00:08:42.560 chapters 22 units you can see this at wild world of history.com it's my website wild world of history.com

00:08:51.040 um but i can't tell you how rewarding it is to have eighth graders and sometimes even younger come

00:08:58.320 up and go oh i read your book such a good book i love your book eighth grader it reads my phrases it

00:09:04.720 reads like butter it really is a an easy read despite the imposing nature of the size of the book

00:09:13.200 you had uh and i think the imposing nature actually makes it better because once people are

00:09:17.760 into it they go hey i can handle reading a big book like this it gets to be something they can

00:09:22.080 turn around there's two things one you were kind of a counter to zen but almost as importantly and i

00:09:27.920 think you guys maybe it wasn't at the top of their mind but you definitely had something to do with it

00:09:32.000 how powerful this book got in the early 2010 was the 1619 project because if you want to have a counter

00:09:40.800 and we've had some great people on that that that put up information as counter and they're all terrific

00:09:45.760 but if you want to read a sweeping narrative history of the arc of america for all her faults

00:09:52.160 and it's really a journey of overcoming these issues right in the conflicts around it and always going

00:09:57.440 next level walk me through the 1619 project how does that compare and contrast to the story we we

00:10:03.680 read in um in the patriot's history well 1619 project in a nutshell says that america is not

00:10:12.080 exceptional because america had slaves beginning in 1619 in virginia and what we argue in patriot's

00:10:20.880 history is from the four pillars of american exceptionalism pillar one a christian mostly

00:10:26.880 protestant religious tradition which is important not for reasons of theology but because of the bottom

00:10:34.240 up nature of the pilgrims and the puritans and most of the early sects in the quakers who settled here

00:10:42.400 they were bottom-up religion number two is a common law which is a bottom-up way of doing government

00:10:50.320 that is god puts the law in the hearts of the people this is mentioned twice in the bible once in the

00:10:55.120 old testament once in the new testament god puts the law in the hearts of the people and they select or elect

00:11:00.240 leaders to carry that out pillar number three is um private property with written titles and deeds

00:11:07.360 something much of africa still doesn't have today and number four is a free market economy you'll notice

00:11:13.760 what word was left out of that slavery slavery appears nowhere in the four pillars of american

00:11:20.720 exceptionalism because a it was ubiquitous it was everywhere everybody had slaves and the muslims at 1.00

00:11:27.440 the time were the largest slave traders in the world and b it had nothing to do with the other four 0.56

00:11:32.960 pillars and the most important of which are the first two the ground up religion and the bottom up

00:11:39.520 governance and so that's why we argue that plymouth and not jamestown was really the focus of america's

00:11:48.480 founding and and therefore the 1619 project is it's irrelevant

00:11:52.560 because james want me through that why do you being a virginian i remember as a young uh a young boy

00:12:00.400 it was always this huge controversy every thanksgiving this is back in the 50s and 60s

00:12:06.160 who had the first thanksgiving who was really the founder of jamestown as you grow older you you realize

00:12:12.240 that jamestown is a group of freebooters entrepreneurs we'll call them freebooters and and

00:12:18.880 plymouth was really a an incredible and i gotta tell you the both of the stories are incredible

00:12:24.240 because they barely hung on but um the plymouth thing is extraordinary but why do you say that

00:12:28.720 plymouth is more important why is the bottom up and the religious nature of a more important than

00:12:34.800 the more entrepreneurial uh freebooter uh element of the american spirit well the uh jamestown of course

00:12:41.760 did not have any uh bottom up religion all anyone who was religious was an anglican and that's top

00:12:48.640 down um also they they didn't have common law they were governed by the london company who was in turn

00:12:56.560 governed by the king but on the mayflower before they even get off the boat they they select their own

00:13:02.320 governor and they say all right we got these guys called strangers they're not pilgrims they're not puritans

00:13:09.760 we're gonna make them equal and that was unheard of in human history that you would make other people 0.62

00:13:17.120 who didn't necessarily have the same rights you thought you had and just give them your rights

00:13:23.440 as well so it's those two bottom-up elements that i think make um plymouth the heartland is is that is

00:13:34.480 that incorporated in the mayflower compact they they basically understood they needed some governing

00:13:39.600 instrument and in doing that the strangers who were some of the sailors and other people that

00:13:43.840 weren't part of the sect itself they gave them equal status in that and then everybody had to pull

00:13:48.560 together right and and um they call themselves a body politic uh which is kind of interesting

00:13:56.080 an interesting phrase and of course you know the first thing they did was they they told the king

00:13:59.920 that they weren't engaged in treason because they were on in the wrong spot oh great king buddy pal listen

00:14:05.520 man we didn't mean to be here and please don't draw and quarter us and and then they went into the

00:14:10.800 whole uh governance thing um but as you mentioned both colonies did suffer incredibly from their 0.98

00:14:18.560 stupidity in accepting a socialist form of economics when they got off the boat and and of course at 0.98

00:14:25.840 jamestown after the second winter they had the starving time where the diaries reflect that the people 0.99

00:14:32.800 were eating rats and dung and shoelaces and you know my wife and i love these cooking shows like 0.99

00:14:38.880 chopped and you get the market basket of goods and oh look what we have here rat dung shoelaces and a

00:14:46.880 rock and of course you know that the cooks always know well i'm great i know what i'm doing with that

00:14:51.120 i'm gonna make our rat puree over over baked dung anyway but um and they both colonies quickly 1.00

00:14:58.800 throughout socialism uh jamestown within two years and uh plymouth within one year william bradford said

00:15:07.280 he was speaking about socialism and he said it is though we thought we were wiser than god to adopt

00:15:14.640 socialism walk me through you know he's talked about the first two the christian it's not about

00:15:22.000 theology you're saying a bottoms up not not the catholicism not anglican which was really a spinoff

00:15:27.520 not these religions that really are have a priest cast and it kind of comes down from the top and

00:15:32.160 in your is nothing it has nothing to do with your religious beliefs or how holy you are or how close

00:15:37.120 to god just the difference we say bottom up there and english common law of being bottom up there not

00:15:43.200 not uh not looking at the law the commercial law of the british east india company or any of these

00:15:49.760 the virginia company whatever's put together that goes back to the king he gets his 20 off the top

00:15:54.560 then you divvy up the rest what is the big guy right um the big guy you you would you would

00:16:02.560 think that that would lay out populism and today you know we're talking about this populist nationalist

00:16:07.040 movement really magus kind of taking over the republican party and all we talk about populism we

00:16:11.600 talk about andrew jackson are you saying and we listed the four you said the first two were really the

00:16:16.960 driving forces of american exceptionalism is that because american exception was predicated upon what

00:16:24.400 we would refer to as populism i think that's fair i mean you look at at these guys they um they created a

00:16:34.320 system in which um not only were they equal but they said we are so equal that we think that that even if

00:16:45.680 you pose a slight threat not not a mortal threat but a slight threat to our theology or our way of life

00:16:53.920 we aren't going to kill you we aren't even going to torture you we're just going to say you got to go 0.79

00:16:59.120 someplace else you can't stay here and so that's what we see with roger williams and ann hutchinson

00:17:05.760 and so many others is the puritans unlike any other group in history including many protestant

00:17:11.680 churches in europe they didn't burn you at the stake because you were in their view a heretic they 0.96

00:17:17.600 just said that doesn't fly here go someplace else and so how about rhode island yeah that's a good place

00:17:23.040 go to rhode island what uh one of the things that not criticisms observation is that and you see in

00:17:31.440 your book it has been from the beginning there was definitely a conflict between the white settlers

00:17:37.760 that came in the in the aborigines or the or the the native americans that were here from the constant

00:17:43.360 what i don't i think that critics of this missed the point that the the native americans the indians

00:17:50.000 were very sophisticated they had a very sophisticated of their own foreign policy they

00:17:54.640 had series of alliances and networks and either enslaving other tribes but from the very person

00:18:00.160 you see it in in plymouth and you see it in virginia and it rolls throughout the entire history of really

00:18:05.760 till the i guess the 1880s that the indians have a very sophisticated and it comes up in the in the in

00:18:11.760 the french french uh indian wars where you had these alliances right the iroquois and the hurons

00:18:18.080 talk to us about that talk to us about the sophistication of how whether it was pontiac or

00:18:23.040 tecumseh they they had an incredibly sophisticated view of how they dealt with each other and the

00:18:29.280 whites were just part of that with the mexicans in the southwest and the whites that came in on the 0.99

00:18:34.480 eastern seaboard well and and this is um as you rightly say this is reflected in their alliances

00:18:41.440 and at first none of them thought the whites would be the power to worry about uh to them we were we

00:18:50.960 were a new group the whites were usurpers but no different to the hurons than the mohicans are no 1.00

00:18:59.360 different to the mohicans than the iroquois and as you you mentioned the the far west as you get further

00:19:06.480 west you see very shocking uh wars between the sioux and the cheyenne and what's so astounding you know

00:19:16.320 one of the great heroes uh in american history is chief sitting bull of this suit and what he did that

00:19:23.680 was so astounding was that he allied all five of the sioux tribes who didn't get along together and

00:19:33.840 somehow he got the cheyenne their hated enemy to join in the alliance as well against custer and terry

00:19:41.520 and some of the rest so there's a book that we source on this a fairly recent book uh called the

00:19:48.800 middle ground by richard white and he makes this very argument that the indians were constantly playing

00:19:57.520 one tribe off against the other against the whites against the spanish whoever it was 0.75

00:20:03.840 it was just um think of bavaria uh or or one of the smaller saxony one of the small german states

00:20:12.160 in the border between prussia and france and and austria trying to stay alive and that's the way most

00:20:19.040 of these indian confederations were and by the way steve you know talking about sophistication we always

00:20:24.800 hear how the the dutch swindled the indians out of long island for uh trinkets and blankets 1.00

00:20:34.320 worth only a few hundred dollars but you've got to remember two things one is the indians in that

00:20:40.720 area like the plains indians had no sense of private property and land that is they did not think it was

00:20:48.720 possible for a human to actually own land and of course when fences go up they go what what's going

00:20:55.280 on here this isn't right so second thing is they did not have iron they did not have skillets they

00:21:02.480 did not have some of the finer woven blankets and stuff or or claws that were being exchanged to them

00:21:08.960 in other words the indians thought they were getting the better of that deal we're getting all this stuff 0.99

00:21:13.440 you can actually possess and we're trading away what was to them rights to the air

00:21:22.400 i want to go there's another thing in the book that comes up in american history i don't think

00:21:26.080 it's discussed enough is this there's a tendency in particular parts of the country for these massive

00:21:31.520 religious revivals and it's upstate new york i think they call the burnt over district i mean if you

00:21:36.560 look at the number of religions and sects that come out of there if you study world history it's pretty

00:21:42.320 amazing that certain parts of north america with the settlers have come up with the you know

00:21:49.600 there's dozens and dozens i think new york state has generated i don't know a half a dozen to 12

00:21:55.840 major religious uh movements and sects what is it about that what is about this country what is about

00:22:00.800 the land what is about the the the structure of society that led in particularly in the 18th and 19

00:22:06.960 early 19th century mid 19th century the formation of so many of these religious movements well that's

00:22:13.280 that's a good question you know it's very interesting in that it ties into our adaptation of the very

00:22:20.800 language we have a language called american that is nothing like english and it starts very early in the

00:22:30.880 early 1700s and and you begin to incorporate foreign words such as boss from the dutch uh later lasso lariat

00:22:40.880 patio from the spanish or portage or cash or crevasse from the french or from um black slaves caucus or mass 0.96

00:22:52.960 meeting and so a lot of our language uh starts to also come out of our religious experience there so we

00:23:00.240 had uh campfire meeting and these are especially popular in the um carolinas area where creatures would

00:23:09.440 go out and just hold a church service and in a forest around a campfire and this goes back to the bottom

00:23:16.160 up right because you didn't have to wait to be an ordained minister if you could read the bible and

00:23:23.920 you could convince people that your interpretation of it was pretty sound people would follow you and

00:23:29.200 you would have a church which is really where methodism grows in america's in these campfire meetings so

00:23:35.280 you get up to new york and and you've got again this guy joseph smith goes out and he says hey i found

00:23:42.000 these tablets i'm going to tell a compelling tale top to bottom believe it or not and and he develops

00:23:47.840 the the uh church of latter-day saint and you've got seventh-day adventists you've got christian

00:23:55.040 scientists all coming out of this well why because it's it's all bottom up it's all coming from the

00:24:02.320 people it's not being directed top down and and when you you made that comment about um uh people coming

00:24:10.560 over here uh almost like criminals i forget your exact phrase i was thinking well sort of like

00:24:16.880 australia right we're we're almost like australia but but indeed the the church experience was based

00:24:24.560 on this idea of independence that laity could lead church services and meetings in a very democratic

00:24:31.840 manner of course that's exactly what the quakers are anyone can stand up and speak and and no one is 0.93

00:24:37.440 addressed as sir that that kind of thing how big how big a figure in your pages how big a figure is

00:24:44.880 andrew jackson in in the midst of time he's kind of considered you know bloody bloody andrew jackson when

00:24:49.200 president trump embraced him people were shocked uh back when you read those histories he's as big as

00:24:55.520 washington and lincoln in the patriots history in your arc tell me about jackson and and populism in the

00:25:01.440 end particularly the anti-federal reserve or the anti-bank of the united states central bank uh idea that he

00:25:07.360 he hated central banks he hated bankers right well jackson gets almost a full chapter in our book

00:25:14.720 um surprisingly people think that jackson shrank government he did not uh government grew every

00:25:22.160 year under jackson maybe not as fast but it still grew um grew per capita grew in total dollar terms

00:25:30.160 um jackson's um jackson's a very strange guy he um leads these indian campaigns in florida and then

00:25:38.000 right before um the battle of new orleans he leads an indian campaign against the creek indians known as the 0.56

00:25:44.960 red sticks and he very much detests many of the indians because he thinks they allied with the british

00:25:53.840 in the american revolution he is opposed to some banks and and we argue that it's a myth that he

00:26:01.440 hated all banks because he takes the money out of the bank of the united states and puts it in a whole

00:26:06.080 bunch of his friends banks he was just against the bus because it was in the wrong hands it was in the

00:26:12.480 hands of the whigs and he wanted to take away their money and put in the hands of the democrats uh bank 0.80

00:26:18.160 of the united states and this was my specialty back in grad school my phd is really in economic

00:26:23.600 history but the bank of the united states was not a central bank the government only owned 20 percent

00:26:29.280 of it they didn't really direct much of of anything and most of all the bankers and the people were very

00:26:35.680 happy hang on for one second larry we'll take a short commercial break we're back it's the uh 15th

00:26:42.800 anniversary the 40th printing of a seminal work in the mega movement that would be the patriots

00:26:48.880 history of the united states we're going to be back in the warm in just a second

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00:31:41.600 war room battleground with stephen k bannon

00:31:46.820 for the patriot's history of the united states its 15th anniversary its 40th printing

00:31:55.840 larry uh for particularly our our young charges uh that are going to get this now from their parents

00:32:01.980 uh at a thousand pages you know that you're getting a book when you get this right there's no doubt it's

00:32:08.000 it's a it's a hefty title but you are you shocked me about and this is i think i've done this three

00:32:13.920 or four times with larry i love you he's such a great storyteller um that i love having him on um

00:32:19.220 you cut a thousand pages out first off how did you and michael decide that and where did that get

00:32:26.040 rolled into the modern history or is that thousand pages always could be a supplement we could republish i

00:32:30.860 mean how did you figure out how to do that that's not easy dealing with authors before i can tell you get

00:32:36.680 getting it taken 20 pages out is is like pulling teeth well remember our purpose was to get a

00:32:43.080 textbook that we thought we could use to teach with and we didn't think we're going to get a publisher

00:32:47.460 we thought we'd print it and bind it and sell it out of the back of a van or maybe along with other

00:32:53.360 banned items such as plastic straws in california you know buddy plastic straws patriot's history

00:33:01.080 but uh um there were lots of vignettes and and character studies such as mike fink king of the river

00:33:10.180 and uh just dozens of indian chiefs and so on um all sorts of people throughout history that we would

00:33:17.860 we would give a page or a page and a half of kind of a character study or a business study

00:33:22.060 to so all of those went all the sidebars except i think two of them went and and that chopped a lot

00:33:29.840 um but the rest of the material a lot of it can be found on the wild world of history.com website

00:33:37.220 if you look around under the blogs and some of the other things there i put many many of these things

00:33:43.580 in little um one to one and a half page uh vignettes uh that are free free on the site so just go to

00:33:52.220 wildworldofhistory.com and and look around there and um even then when we turned it into the publisher

00:34:00.620 it was still about 1200 pages and the editor there took out 200 and even then she said we got to get

00:34:07.800 another i forget what she said 2 000 words out of it and she couldn't figure out how to do it so we sent

00:34:13.960 it to an outside editor who cut it yet again and actually made it work and remember this for all the people

00:34:20.340 that are watching this uh every time i updated or mike and i update this thing we got to cut more

00:34:26.920 stuff because we're adding more stuff so it's it's always a battle for a history what do you cut out

00:34:34.040 you you were like two questions i got one number one you were the first one of the first guys i know

00:34:39.220 that saw the potential in trump and trumpism given your understanding the arc of american history

00:34:45.680 why was when trump came on scene why not his presidency but why was the beginning of the trump

00:34:51.000 movement something that you could see the resonance of well that's easy because in in the bush

00:34:58.420 administration what we saw was that the elites tried to ram through amnesty and for the first time in my

00:35:05.400 memory the people stood up and said no absolutely not they so flooded congress the phone calls and

00:35:12.500 angry telegrams and letters and emails do you remember this they had to pull the amnesty bill

00:35:19.060 that bush and congress supported i mean that's a big win right there that was i know they've they've

00:35:25.320 gotten around it in other ways but that was a big win at that time so and being here in arizona even

00:35:30.580 though i was living in ohio at the time but i'm acutely aware of the impact of illegal immigration

00:35:35.320 so when i saw trump in um it was less than a month after he announced here in phoenix i was on vacation

00:35:44.880 here in phoenix and i saw that his speaking venue had been moved from a the phoenician hotel which

00:35:51.300 held like 200 to the phoenix convention center which held thousands i knew he was on to something and

00:35:59.840 based on what i kept hearing people talk about it was illegal immigration now it might not be quite

00:36:06.220 the issue today that it was in 16 but in 16 that was a huge issue and trump was over here and there

00:36:15.420 were 16 other candidates on the other side of the stage and there was no question in my mind that he

00:36:21.160 had achieved the high moral ground on the illegal immigration debate how does his i know it's too early

00:36:29.700 for historian to be able to place it but as your first cut his his first term his his presidency to

00:36:37.280 date we know he's coming back after a tough slog for a second term but where do you put him in the in

00:36:45.200 the in the in the in the arc of uh of presidents and in the country is your first cut well prior to

00:36:52.080 china virus prior to 2020 i would have had him in the top five in terms of what he achieved number

00:36:59.680 one what he achieved relative to what he said he was going to do which is at the top of everybody

00:37:05.220 except george washington i mean he achieved almost everything he said he was going to do or he got it

00:37:10.620 as far as he could possibly get it uh with congress before they would block him uh then the china virus hit

00:37:17.780 and and that caused him uh a number of problems most notably he had to make a choice whether to advance

00:37:24.800 the vaccine or let it run its course and i know what he was being advised by everybody it's the same

00:37:30.920 thing bush was being advised in 2002 which was the wmds are there everybody says they're going to kill 0.98

00:37:38.420 millions you got to take them out and he was trump was being besieged by this same thing this virus will

00:37:44.180 kill 20 million americans if you don't hit it and hit it hard and and so he briefly for a period of

00:37:51.100 about six months kind of fell into that and that damaged him but more important the lockdowns 0.98

00:37:56.660 allowed the democrat party to engage in massive widespread cheating we had never seen before

00:38:01.960 um the other thing that you have to rate presidents on i'm sorry it's like winning in the playoffs you

00:38:09.220 know oh dallas cowboys have a great team well how many super roles have they won since the 90s none

00:38:13.400 okay they don't have a great team uh you got to win election and even if it was by fraud trump lost

00:38:21.100 and so you can't give him an a for his first presidential term i give him an a minus or b plus

00:38:29.320 uh because of the china virus response and the fact that um he he had some responsibility in the fraud

00:38:36.560 and not seeking it out and and attacking it earlier than he did beforehand but yeah you're saying you're

00:38:44.580 you're you're washington lincoln jackson i take it reagan fdr is the top five uh you're saying all

00:38:52.860 of those won re-election that that's one of the if you want to get in that upper tier you whether they

00:38:57.900 steal it or not you got to have that you got to check it off that and look we're the adamant that

00:39:01.860 he won right but unfortunately he's not 1600 pennsylvania avenue was stolen let me um and by the way

00:39:07.800 my top five today my top five would be washington nobody can top washington for what he did for this

00:39:14.340 country lincoln and then number three i have reagan and then number four i've got calvin coolidge who

00:39:20.820 gave us five years of peace and prosperity and got re-elected and and then i would probably put

00:39:26.320 you know trump up there right close to that and grover cleveland larry is a hardcore you're a you're a

00:39:33.540 hardcore you're a you're a former libertarian correct you gotta you gotta but if you got calvin

00:39:38.560 coolidge you gotta be a libertarian you're killing me i love silent cal you know the story for your

00:39:44.720 viewers who don't know calvin coolidge you gotta read about this guy he was he was literally born

00:39:50.240 on the fourth of july right and um he's known as silent cal because he just didn't say a whole lot

00:39:56.420 he just got immediately to the nub of the issue and shut up and so he's at a dinner party one night

00:40:01.400 and this woman looks over to his mr president i i bet you a dollar i can get you to say more than

00:40:06.540 three words and he looks at her and he says you lose

00:40:09.760 no he was by the people that love him and have studied it loving i know there's a number of there's

00:40:18.560 a calvin coolidge society there's been a number of books people that love him love him today when

00:40:23.280 you look at the transgender ideology when you look at the invasion on the southern border when you look 1.00

00:40:28.060 at what has happened geopolitically that now we're in a war at the eurasian landmass with what i call

00:40:33.300 the legion of doom china russia persia you know saudi arabia when you look at what's happened to

00:40:39.380 you're an economic historian you look at what's happening in the in the de-dollarization the the

00:40:43.760 spending the debt out of control the federal reserve really as a backstop that just keeps

00:40:48.260 printing money everything that's just happened since the biden regime has come in give put that

00:40:54.080 in the arc i keep saying if the if the particularly the concentration of wealth if if the framers

00:40:58.680 came back and are founding if the revolutionary generation number one and then the framers because

00:41:04.220 they were kind of two different groups came back today they would spit on the floor of what we have

00:41:09.560 allowed to happen to this great republic i'd like your thoughts sir no that that's right i mean if you

00:41:16.300 look objectively and of course no democrat can be objective but if you look objectively and you said

00:41:23.180 if somebody deliberately wanted to destroy this nation would they have done anything different

00:41:29.420 than what joe biden as i affectionately call him the rutabaga as as would they have done anything

00:41:36.420 different than what he has done and the answer is no he he hasn't done one thing to make america

00:41:42.000 stronger and every single thing he has done has made us weaker and then you mentioned the kind of

00:41:47.180 trans movement i sensed a couple of years ago that that was going to be a a serious serious focal point

00:41:55.840 and maybe the tipping point in the war against woke and i think we're seeing that finally appear

00:42:03.500 everywhere from the the public disdain of disney and how its recent movies have all they haven't crashed

00:42:13.360 but none of them have made their money back and none of them are going to be money winners whether

00:42:17.380 it's ant-man whether it's the dc version which is uh you know black adam or or uh shazam

00:42:24.500 and then you look at movies today that have no woke message at all whether it's jesus revolution which

00:42:31.600 has made an astounding 153 million dollars on an investment of under 500 000 you kidding me

00:42:39.700 or or you look at um john wick 4 which is a 350 million dollars or you look at the mario brothers

00:42:47.600 movie which in one weekend has eclipsed ant-man and none of these have an ounce of woke in them

00:42:53.520 so people are really battling back and and our most recent which everybody knows about was the bud light 0.82

00:43:02.560 fiasco where this idiot mid-level executive uh all these people all come from marketing and human 0.96

00:43:09.480 relations and and you you get this person out there that puts a transoid as the uh as the face 0.99

00:43:15.960 of bud light and it's just but the person yeah but but but but these these big corporations have

00:43:21.320 been all into this gay pride and all into the rainbow thing for a long time it's zero that it's 0.87

00:43:26.100 zero probability she made the decision that went up to the chain that went up the chain command

00:43:30.000 they're all saying now oh we didn't do it it's some yep i've only got 10 minutes i gotta do two things

00:43:35.280 number one the patriot's history of the modern world the patriot's history itself technically

00:43:40.300 cuts off when when do you stop this book ends when and then you've got two volumes later of the

00:43:45.740 patriot's history of the modern world so where does patriot's history leave us and then where do you

00:43:50.100 pick up on the patriot's history of the modern world which is a separate book separate two volumes

00:43:53.580 okay so patriot's history of the united states goes up to 2018 in this edition i have been working on

00:44:00.080 and have updated the period 2018 to 23 i will make it available free on the wild world of history.com

00:44:08.160 website probably sometime later this summer it's basically one new chapter a big chapter and a lot

00:44:14.240 of inserted stuff that we had to take out earlier in various places so you can kind of read along and

00:44:19.420 read the book and then read what's on the web and pdf and insert it yourself patriot's history of the

00:44:25.040 modern world came about in 2012 and 13 and again it was so big it was about 1500 pages when we turned

00:44:31.600 it in they made us break it into two books volume one volume two and actually those cut off a little

00:44:37.700 bit sooner than patriot's history of the united states because when when we finished those is about

00:44:42.580 2013 and patriot's history united states cuts off at 2018 um and so uh i will be updating but you're able

00:44:53.020 to you're you're you're able to you're able to do a more in-depth look at the modern world whereas

00:44:57.780 patriot's history may be a little more condensed than that you're able to do a more thing i know

00:45:01.400 you've been very fun it's linden marx gandhi all the big names right yes um you have been very focused

00:45:12.620 i've known you for a number of years since before the first trump victory back in my breitbart days you

00:45:17.660 have been very focused as many of us have on globalization and i know you're working on a big

00:45:23.740 project i don't know if we want to announce it now maybe later but walk me through globalization

00:45:28.580 your your take on globalization and and the impact that's had on american history

00:45:34.500 well first thing people need to understand as with all things nothing is new under the sun

00:45:41.040 solomon said that uh globalism is not a new phenomenon the congress of vienna in 1814 was the

00:45:49.040 first meeting of the globalists and of course on the outside they were supposed to be meeting to just

00:45:55.660 reconstruct europe after napoleon but everybody in europe kind of more of the common people thought

00:46:02.580 that they were going to undertake a a major attempt to get rid of monarchs and put in place representative

00:46:09.300 government and that didn't happen at all uh one of the uh advisors to metternich uh one of the four

00:46:16.820 big names at the congress of vienna said they think we're up here to give power to the people but

00:46:22.620 basically we're up here to carve up europe like a turkey and and so you can is this why is this why

00:46:30.220 is this why henry kissinger loves metternich so much and wrote his thesis his first book was on metternich

00:46:35.500 is this is this why henry the k loves uh loves a congress he thinks that's a great thing that they

00:46:42.000 did and he says you know they ushered in an era peace i guess he forgot about the crimean war and

00:46:47.340 the franco-prussian war merely two major wars in the next 50 years i mean yeah that's that's peace all

00:46:52.680 right but we could jump up to versailles which most of your viewers know about in trying to re-establish

00:46:59.520 uh europe after world war one and literally wilson and and george clemenceau and david lloyd george

00:47:06.700 were huddled around maps bending over as one observer said like a giant gorilla in an ivory suit

00:47:14.020 and they're moving boundaries and they're moving map lines and they're literally moving millions of

00:47:19.460 people who are contained in these lines without any regard to national ethnicity or or heritage or

00:47:26.400 anything else and they're creating thousands of problems as as they do this but again they were

00:47:32.040 playing god they thought they could play god and you can then go up to the post-world war ii era where

00:47:37.700 the scientists championed a global body to take care of nuclear weapons atomic weapons and and they

00:47:44.640 thought that only this global body would be able to control the spread of these weapons and gee

00:47:49.960 maybe that global body should be run by scientists and so i i carry this new book um patriots history

00:47:57.440 of globalism its rise and decline i carry that all the way up to the present and we are seeing

00:48:02.840 some evidence of the decline of globalism these guys are on their heel

00:48:07.600 give me uh when the time we get about four minutes left i want your perspective of a lot of people in our

00:48:15.500 audience obviously we're the you know the the platform for maga we've got all these activists

00:48:20.980 fighters every day but i do get every now and again and think hey it feels so terrible for the country

00:48:26.760 i want to give up i just don't see any hope the forces arrayed against us arrayed against patriots

00:48:32.520 and sovereigntists are so great what are your words of wisdom for us understanding the deep roots

00:48:37.700 in in the history of this country from from the early uh what the early 17th uh the early 16th century

00:48:44.600 well to quote the black knight after both his arms and both his legs were cut off i've had worse

00:48:51.180 you know we've been in worse shape we've actually almost fallen to the british they they'd actually

00:48:57.880 captured washington dc um the civil war uh we we came within one battle of losing that and becoming

00:49:05.280 two nations uh there were times in world war ii right before the battle of midway it looked like the

00:49:11.440 allies might actually lose and we'd have to negotiate a peace with hitler so so one answer is

00:49:17.460 uh we've been here before and uh history has a way of surprising people and has a way of turning on a

00:49:26.340 dime but i would say a more important message is the message that gandall gives to the little hobbit

00:49:33.780 when they're on the ramparts they're in the final battle of ministerith and they're looking at and

00:49:39.640 there's there's tens and tens of thousands of of orcs everywhere and the the little hobbit basically

00:49:45.600 says we can't win this can we and and gandalf looks down and he says no we can't but sometimes

00:49:51.360 those are these the most important battles to fight now i think we can win it but even if we couldn't

00:49:57.600 this is the most important battle we have to fight we have to fight it sometime why not now

00:50:02.860 as kennedy said if not us who if not now when

00:50:06.800 larry how do people get to all your content how do they get all this

00:50:12.320 okay so we've got wildworldhistory.com we have a great book offer now uh on the presidents which

00:50:19.380 is patriots history and reagan the american president and dragon slayers in which i interviewed

00:50:24.600 you several times and um we've got an ongoing by larry a coffee program we're gonna make patriots

00:50:31.880 history into a movie by hooker by crook and and there will be a place on there where you can buy

00:50:37.960 larry a coffee for five bucks every dime goes into the movie fund and so if you don't see it there

00:50:44.120 email me at larry at wildworldhistory.com and i'll give you the the coffee link but you can get

00:50:50.460 everything including the two out of print volumes of patriots history the modern world in pdf

00:50:55.720 on the wildworldhistory.com larry it's been uh it's been honored to have you on here congratulations

00:51:03.520 uh as a counter to howard zinn uh 15 years of 15th anniversary 40 printings and you're still grinding

00:51:11.800 away it's still a great uh great storyteller and a great spirit and uh a huge the maga movement has

00:51:18.440 its own historians so uh in-house historians but thank you honored to have you on here sir

00:51:22.400 thank you steve okay uh we're gonna be back uh we'll be back live again tomorrow 10 a.m uh it'll

00:51:31.340 be as heated as anything you've seen there's so much going on in the world today i've never seen a

00:51:36.000 news cycle like this and it's only going to get more intense and more intense and more intense and

00:51:40.820 that's why uh you know one thing i didn't get a chance to ask larry but i'll have him back on in

00:51:45.040 the weeks and talk about artificial intelligence transhumanism uh the convergence into the uh uh

00:51:51.680 into into all this to the singularity the point homo sapiens on this side homo sapiens plus on the

00:51:57.260 other a massive major inflection point in all of human history we'll be back at 10 o'clock maybe the

00:52:02.660 more i don't say mundane but uh more nuts and bolts of the modern world and your place in it when we

00:52:09.760 return tomorrow morning 10 a.m in the world

Bannon's War Room - April 20, 2023

WarRoom Battleground EP 276： A Patriot's History Of The United States

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