Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 298： FBI Refuses To Look Into Election Fraud

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:16.080 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the authoritarians

00:00:23.840 get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just like in georgia

00:00:29.600 it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations

00:00:34.640 this is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the fight

00:00:38.960 all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your host

00:00:45.680 stephen k bannon welcome to the war room it's monday may 22nd year of our lord 2023 we're entering the

00:00:54.880 fourth hour of war room coverage today but the news cycle shows no signs of slowing down we may

00:01:01.200 cut in the middle of this show uh to what should be a press conference held by kevin mccarthy and

00:01:06.560 after the show i think there'll be another one uh down at the capitol but in the meantime even

00:01:11.840 though steve is not hosting today but don't worry he'll be back tomorrow starting at 10 a.m we have

00:01:16.720 a pretty full lineup of guests who want to cover a variety of issues first and foremost of course the

00:01:23.120 weaponization of our federal government but before we get there i want to talk about another w withdrawal

00:01:31.200 frankly how the biden regime botched what happened in afghanistan so poorly and how well the state

00:01:39.280 department and antony blinken are really obstructing congressional republicans efforts to actually get

00:01:44.400 to the bottom of it which of course makes sense they want to cover up i wouldn't argue for their own

00:01:49.120 incompetent incompetency but actually for their own intentional malice but joining me to discuss is

00:01:55.680 representative timber chet one of my personal favorite war room guests i think we should have

00:02:00.960 him um but there's been some back and forth some reporting it's sort of a developing story from what

00:02:05.680 i understand uh representative mccall has said he will no longer fight to hold secretary blinken in

00:02:12.560 contempt of congress but can you walk us through what the state department has been doing under the

00:02:17.440 direction of lincoln to obstruct you guys from being able to use some interesting cables when it comes

00:02:23.840 to what exactly led to the debacle that occurred on afghanistan soil yeah this is just completely

00:02:33.120 botched is what you said it but from top to bottom i mean let's go back a little bit and see what

00:02:38.160 happened and i actually called for lincoln's resignation in september all these new people they're doing it

00:02:44.080 they're just johnny come lately as far as i'm concerned but there were 13 americans who died and

00:02:50.720 they shouldn't have on that when we were trying to get everybody out of uh of afghanistan um one of

00:02:57.360 those was uh and i'm calling his name is his staff sergeant ryan knouse he's a his family are constituents of

00:03:03.920 mine i drive out every morning the highway there is named after him and um he is uh uh was a hero and

00:03:13.920 he shouldn't have died we had um it was just a completely botched thing we were evacuating

00:03:20.560 from the wrong areas we left um let's see i have it in my notes here 7.2 billion dollars worth of

00:03:27.120 armament on the ground so we'll see those we'll see those weapons again i guarantee you they'll be 0.93

00:03:33.360 trying to kill americans and if this white house has its way i suspect that that will that will come into 0.88

00:03:39.760 play but we um we've been trying to just figure out what exactly happened because we had a marine 0.85

00:03:48.320 sniper who testified before our committee and i asked him the question of um you know where where were

00:03:54.960 you and what was going on and he told us that he was in fact he had talked to um uh his his superiors

00:04:02.800 and i guess whoever at the state department about taking out the sniper uh the the bomber the the

00:04:09.760 the person who was going to the suicide bomber and he in fact had identified this character more than

00:04:15.600 once and was told more than once that he was to stand down that he was not to take this guy out

00:04:22.320 and we're trying to and of course this white house and the rest of them are just playing the dodge game 0.55

00:04:27.200 and they are not um coming forth with anything and they're um it's just a complete tragic tragedy from 0.93

00:04:35.600 top to bottom you know the left wing um state department uh you know the whole thing is ridiculous

00:04:42.560 i remembered they said they they're some of their excuses for leaving some of these billions of

00:04:48.160 dollars of armaments on the ground was that that it's too technologically advanced for them to do

00:04:53.520 anything with they're not gonna be able to do anything but i'll tell you who who is technologically

00:04:57.520 advanced are the chinese and i guarantee you before we were out of that last plane out of there that

00:05:03.760 they were there and we're still it's reported i should say that and for the record that they're

00:05:09.200 still americans on the ground there there are friends that we've left behind and um it just does

00:05:14.960 not look good for this state department of this white house what they've done and and we've since um

00:05:20.960 you know we've requested chairman mccall has requested um some information from the state

00:05:26.240 department and and honestly all they've given us is a heavily redacted um form back and it's just the

00:05:33.840 arrogance that they that they exhibit it's just continued on i mean you see it with the fbi you see

00:05:39.360 it with the state department um and it's just just goes on and on the epitome of america lasts before we

00:05:47.200 talk about what you guys have been doing to get to the the bottom of the fbi stonewalling

00:05:52.160 of different documents i'm just curious because this story came to my attention there was an

00:05:56.480 interesting politico i'd call it a puff piece but profile on sort of this back and forth between your

00:06:01.920 your committee and the state department and their refrain is basically that the american people don't

00:06:08.160 actually care about what happened in afghanistan because it happened so long ago which i think is an

00:06:13.600 interesting narrative to push because meanwhile the reason why it's taking you guys so long to get

00:06:18.160 to the bottom of it is because the state department isn't actually giving you any of the documents that

00:06:22.880 you want but putting that aside you know you obviously say you talk to your constituents a lot some of

00:06:28.160 whom were directly affected by joe biden's incompetence and really i think intentional destruction

00:06:34.160 in afghanistan do you think the american people have forgotten what happened in afghanistan in other

00:06:39.840 words do you think it's a political or politicized talking point that you know republicans are pushing

00:06:45.760 to demonstrate joe biden's really just inability to actually represent america on the world stage

00:06:52.160 i'd argue there's no shortage of incidents that that really footnote that statement but do you agree

00:06:57.760 with sort of the sentiment of the politico piece well americans want their pizzas in 30 minutes or less

00:07:05.760 and that's about our attention span and i'm guilty of that as well um but i think that it doesn't

00:07:12.960 really matter if american public is interested in or not that shouldn't be an excuse for not coming

00:07:18.560 forward with any information i think that um you know we we need to we need to know what went on

00:07:24.800 those americans should not have died somebody needs to be held accountable for that and these families

00:07:29.680 need to be um they need some vindication in this and they need some closure and what they're getting

00:07:34.640 right now out of this this um administration is just stonewalling so hopefully we'll get to the

00:07:41.040 bottom of it but i i doubt we really will because of just their arrogance and we're we're and sometimes

00:07:47.760 i think in congress we're a toothless tiger we're going to write them a letter that's what we always

00:07:51.840 do let's write them a letter you know we're going to get to the bottom of this hey we use birch

00:07:55.920 it will you sign on this letter with me you know and i i just don't get caught up in that you

00:08:00.560 know what we ought to do we are constitutionally we are this this government's checkbook that's

00:08:06.320 what we ought to start doing we ought to start cutting their money saying hey we're not going

00:08:10.160 to put up with this state department y'all don't want to play ball with us we're not going to play

00:08:14.160 ball with you we're cutting you out of the pie and just start cutting their cutting their money that's

00:08:20.240 how we and we could easily balance this budget i guarantee you there's i mean you look at there's more

00:08:25.280 there's more people in the department of defense than are in our united states navy for goodness

00:08:30.320 sakes you know let's if we're in charge let's do something with it these all these hearings we have

00:08:37.280 kind of get boring i think and i think that's what the left understands the public's going to get tired

00:08:41.840 of it just like they did those miserable january 6 hearings they had they were tired of that in about

00:08:47.200 30 seconds there's more people were watching the cartoon network than were reruns on the cartoon network

00:08:53.440 mind you then we're watching and that stuff and then that's what we're getting into and they'll

00:08:57.840 delay delay delay and then we'll lose interest and then it doesn't show up on any of our polls and then

00:09:03.840 we leave those families hanging and now oddly enough we're leaving americans

00:09:08.640 on the hook literally and figuratively in afghanistan because there's still americans over there

00:09:15.200 and before we let you go because i it seems like you have votes if i'm not mistaken to get to

00:09:19.760 uh i'm just curious how you know we sort of link this to what's going on with the fbi which is

00:09:26.160 playing a similar game and of course the doj with the fd 1023 forum which has to do with the whistleblower

00:09:32.480 who says who claims to have evidence of joe biden's direct involvement with some sort of foreign pay

00:09:37.200 for play scheme you're obviously in the business of defunding these agencies these woke and weaponized 0.71

00:09:43.440 agencies as i think a lot of the war room posse is too um but how do we actually move forward i know

00:09:50.080 republicans love their letters and white papers and strongly worded statements but is there any effort

00:09:56.800 you know i would say are legitimate effort to go after the fbi to go after the state department to

00:10:04.320 really get retribution for them not cooperating with you guys or is it just gonna kind of peter out

00:10:10.560 what do you think if most most members say that i wouldn't believe it if matt gates or um

00:10:16.320 jim jordan say it then i'd say it's a reality and they're the ones who are saying it right now that

00:10:21.200 they're on the judiciary committee and that's where i think it will originate jim jordan is passionate

00:10:26.160 about this and there goes the buzzer for votes jim jordan is passionate about this and uh and as i am

00:10:32.160 too i've been talking about it for weeks and he um he addressed the conference last week and just and

00:10:38.000 mentioned just that and you know dad gamut we ought to we are a man up or woman up as the case may be

00:10:43.920 excuse me but we we can say you can say man up on war room okay well it sounds like you got it you

00:10:51.200 gotta go so why don't you let us know where we can find you on social media and the website people can

00:10:55.920 go to to support you there's a bunch of them but at tim birchett is the cool one that's where i let it all

00:11:02.880 fly and um and that's my one i i take most of my shots in so and um i'd appreciate anybody follow

00:11:09.920 me on twitter at tim birchett t-i-m-b-u-r-c-h-e-t-t little at symbol you know what that means

00:11:16.320 anyway thank you so much awesome thank you so much for joining us i'm sure we will see you soon

00:11:23.120 i hope so see you bye bye well moving on um speaking of weaponization and our incompetent federal

00:11:32.080 government although they seem to be really good at targeting i don't know parents who are concerned

00:11:36.400 about their children getting indoctrinated with radical critical race theory or teachers who want

00:11:40.560 to turn your kid trans at age six the fbi that's what they're most concerned about school shooters

00:11:46.720 the chinese communist party and they don't really care so much joining me now i think to discuss

00:11:52.400 i think via phone is steve friend who may have seen him in his

00:11:55.840 his really stunning draw drop draw jaw dropping testimony uh last week uh he testified in front of

00:12:03.920 the house judiciary committee the the weaponization committee he's a former fbi agent turned whistleblower

00:12:10.800 uh it's an honor to have you on the show sir uh i'd love for you to as i i was saying and before we

00:12:17.440 started you've obviously done a lot of media now and i feel like a lot of people have probably heard your

00:12:22.400 story some of the crazy ones you sitting in a parking lot having to write down uh the license

00:12:28.480 plate numbers of parents who are attending school board meetings while actively being turned off of

00:12:32.800 cases dealing with child sex trafficking and child pornography really just i think gives you insight

00:12:38.560 to the fbi but if you just want to sort of walk us through i really want to focus at least in this

00:12:43.760 interview on how the fbi has sort of been astroturfing and artificially inflating this narrative that

00:12:50.240 domestic extremism and white supremacy and racism and all of these words that they like to cobble

00:12:56.560 together that are not rooted in reality how they've sort of manufactured this false narrative and then

00:13:02.720 after that if i kind of want to get into the bigger more existential question which is why are they

00:13:07.760 doing this what do you think their end game is but you just want to walk us through what you saw

00:13:12.160 when you were working there in terms of this fake this feigned domestic extremism uh crisis that we

00:13:19.280 have on our hands yeah yeah i can work you through that uh it's definitely uh something that was

00:13:25.680 already i guess in sort of play when i came on the bureau in 2014 uh but i think if you just look back

00:13:32.320 historically uh the mission creep that's come to pass since uh since 9-11 when the national security

00:13:38.240 branch uh was high was elevated to to something where it was going to receive massive amounts of funding

00:13:44.000 and then you pair that with something that i tried to bring out in the hearing which is called

00:13:49.120 integrated program management ipm and that is a uh is a metric system the fbi started employing around

00:13:56.800 10 years ago and it's a way for itself to budget essentially the crime that it hopes to prosecute or

00:14:04.240 investigate throughout each year around each one of the 56 field offices so think of it kind of as

00:14:09.760 as as a minority report we're going to predict crime uh paired with money ball where we're going

00:14:15.440 to use the metrics to measure it and it it's uh it's something that's caused a lot of problems and

00:14:21.120 and i've been sort of typecast as january 6th being the issue that i brought forward and that's true

00:14:26.160 but uh january 6th is probably one of the worst and most egregious examples of how this system has

00:14:32.080 bastardized the way that federal law enforcement is being done in this country it's a symptom not not really

00:14:38.320 the cause and i think that ipm really is the cause where they're attempting to show that

00:14:43.840 they're successful and showing and justifying the funding that they receive uh each year and then

00:14:49.120 these these budgets keep growing and growing and the way that they're demonstrating their effectiveness

00:14:53.680 is by working smarter not harder figuring out ways to make the cases go up so take january 6th off the

00:15:01.200 table just imagine you have a case where there's a there's a gang of four bank robbers or four

00:15:07.600 we'll even keep it terrorists there's four potential domestic terrorists you're investigating them you

00:15:12.320 could open up one case with uh four bad guys but instead the fbi is now opening up four cases with one

00:15:18.800 bad guy and that's the way you quadruple your output on paper so i'm just curious you know obviously when

00:15:28.400 we're talking about the fbi there's a lot of thought a lot of money billions of dollars that goes into these

00:15:34.240 decisions that are undergirding right what their priorities and what their main objectives are so

00:15:39.520 i'm just curious and again i guess this is speculation you don't necessarily know the answer but in your

00:15:45.520 opinion for for example i'll draw the parallel you know when we see social media companies and news

00:15:51.600 outlets try to crack down on the spread of misinformation or disinformation we saw that during the election

00:15:58.960 that that basically had to mean that meant stifling the voices of conservatives who dared to speak out

00:16:04.800 against election fraud right there was all we even though they use these broad euphemistic terms there

00:16:10.480 was always sort of a darker much more politically motivated underbelly to these mass pushes these drives

00:16:17.520 oftentimes for censorship so from what you've seen right you're you're a primary source what do you

00:16:23.840 think the the end game is here in other words do you think the fbi is has gone rogue do you think they're

00:16:30.800 just you know fulfilling the political ambitions and ideological really radical agendas of some of

00:16:37.360 the people actually within the agency or do you think they're working in tandem with sort of this broader

00:16:44.240 you could call it the uniparty deep state push to really censor americans and silence americans

00:16:52.080 who don't just take the state sanctioned line on whatever the issue is whether it's you know crt

00:16:57.760 in the classrooms transgenderism election fraud doesn't exist what do you think the bigger picture

00:17:04.880 goal is here when it comes to the fbi i don't think it's an if but situation i think it's an and also

00:17:13.840 situation i think you can look at the history of the fbi and uh it's really kind of extra

00:17:19.760 constitutional at best it really wasn't uh it's not you know in in our founding document it sort

00:17:25.360 of was just brought better to ask for forgiveness than permission and then we'll write some laws after

00:17:30.320 the fact after it's already been established it's very very federal government-y of it um and i think

00:17:35.440 that you can make the argument that the fbi is not necessarily about preserving the constitution and the

00:17:41.280 rule of law it's more about preserving the status quo of the ruling class so look to the origins that's the

00:17:48.160 the 30s the 40s and the 50s and the sentiments in this country from the ruling elite was very anti-communist

00:17:53.840 and the fbi went after communists so that's uh and we and i think look back on it historically and

00:17:59.120 just assume that they were doing the bidding of america as i mean we're a force for good uh flash

00:18:04.160 forward a little bit into into the 60s and civil rights movement there were there are a lot of

00:18:08.000 problems within our government that opposed the civil rights movement and that's how you get a

00:18:12.000 co-intelpro a situation where the fbi is essentially trying to encourage martin luther king to commit

00:18:18.640 suicide uh move forward more after the uh after the attacks of september 11th when national security

00:18:25.200 was elevated uh and we go back to assuming the fbi is doing the bidding on behalf of america to fight

00:18:30.640 terrorism but if you asked a lot of folks on the left back then or even the ron paul lights uh they

00:18:37.680 were saying no the the fbi is essentially entrapping uh muslim americans who are not predisposed to

00:18:42.800 commit acts of terror and and uh and they're now putting them in jail for no reason now we move ahead

00:18:50.480 and uh it's find ourselves in present day where our people in charge are radical left and uh they have

00:18:57.920 weaponized the fbi to do their bidding which is going after their political enemies and if you flash if

00:19:03.920 you look back to president biden's speech in front of independence hall on september 1st of 2022

00:19:10.400 he identified mega republicans as being anti-government extremists and radical ethnic extremists and it's

00:19:16.160 no surprise that two of the top four priorities within the national security branch for the within the fbi

00:19:22.240 are those two categories so it's essentially labeling his political enemies now as potential terrorists

00:19:27.680 i think it's like the praetorian guard analogy or i guess historical illusion that steve always

00:19:34.880 uses because we see the fbi and you were talking about their roots running cover for america's ruling

00:19:40.000 class which comes as no surprise but i want to talk about how this dovetails really with election

00:19:45.040 interference because i think not only are we seeing that on full display when it comes to the fbi refusing

00:19:50.960 stonewalling um to give congressional republicans the fd-1023 whistleblower form um which of course

00:19:57.520 contains evidence likely of joe biden being involved in a foreign pay for play scheme um but i also

00:20:03.200 think it'll be interesting and i'd be curious to get your thoughts on this how we're gonna see the

00:20:08.000 weaponization of the fbi really ramp up ahead of the 2024 election specifically the presidential election

00:20:15.600 obviously we saw agencies like the dhs like cissa uh really i would argue operate out of their already

00:20:23.360 sort of nebulous obtuse purview um and get into the game of censoring online social media posts

00:20:30.640 specifically about election misinformation disinformation uh whatever the term of the day

00:20:36.400 may be but in your opinion again obviously just speculation but approaching the 2024 election how do you think

00:20:44.240 this fully woke and weaponized fbi um is going to continue or maybe you think they'll amplify

00:20:52.720 their efforts to really influence the election i i think they have a tremendous amount of latitude

00:20:59.600 especially when they work hand in glove with the department of justice as far as pursuing

00:21:03.840 one case over another um and i can just tell you that i i didn't uh have the opportunity to investigate

00:21:10.160 any sort of election related crimes in my time in the fbi but i do know people who do and i talk to

00:21:15.360 them and i was told that okay going back to 2020 uh a conversations were had nationwide in which the

00:21:23.920 department of justice expressed to the investigators the fbi agents that they were not interested in

00:21:29.840 pursuing any sort of uh election interference crimes the only sort of election related issues they

00:21:35.680 wanted to investigate were voter suppression and that's i think a uh just an indication of how

00:21:40.960 they were going to use their prosecutorial discretion to uh to target one side and not target another

00:21:47.120 and and uh and that's an incredible problem especially when we saw uh so such suspicious activity

00:21:53.840 that happened in 2020 um and and now you have the the arm of federal law enforcement that's not even

00:22:01.120 willing to take that up in any sort of its capacity to investigate and then and now take it into the

00:22:07.200 social media sphere which you just touched on um and miranda divine last uh september talked about the

00:22:14.000 bronze griffin operation that the fbi has where it essentially has a uh a confidential human source

00:22:19.840 working within within meta and uh is pulling out uh out of context direct messages and providing them to

00:22:29.040 to the fbi to essentially work backwards and obtain the necessary search warrants or subpoena

00:22:36.880 processes that they need to to get access to full conversations and it's definitely in violation of

00:22:42.320 fourth amendment and it's definitely selectively done and there are people who have now looked through

00:22:48.400 private first amendment protected speech and uh have assessed that to be problematic and should be

00:22:55.280 investigated by the federal government and and whether or not those individuals were doing

00:22:59.200 anything nefarious is kind of irrelevant the fact that that the very program exists is going to tamp

00:23:05.360 down free speech uh on one side of the aisle without question gotta let you go in a few minutes steve but

00:23:13.040 i have one last question for you trump obviously talks about dismantling and deconstructing the

00:23:19.920 administrative state we've had a lot of people on the show to discuss the concept of schedule f

00:23:25.280 uh you know going after not just political appointees obviously but career appointees to you know actually

00:23:31.280 putting sort of the policy framework behind the guideline of draining the swamp i'm just curious from your

00:23:38.400 perspective when you talk about cleaning house you know with the fbi and actually getting institutional

00:23:44.960 fundamental systemic all the adjectives all that good change that is desperately needed

00:23:51.520 what do you think that actually looks like in other words would you have to clean house entirely is this

00:23:56.880 just a leadership problem how many people you know need to hear the words you are fired of course from

00:24:04.320 trump um another you know to really clean up the fbi like you said their original purview is sort of

00:24:11.440 suspect to begin with but setting that aside for a second um how how massive do you think the problem is

00:24:19.520 there how deep does the rot go uh there are a lot of good people who work at the fbi but i fear that the

00:24:28.720 the infection is now so far along that it's beyond redemption um and republicans are always wary of any

00:24:35.760 sort of defund the police label that they can have and they need to to shift the paradigm here and say look

00:24:41.520 we're not interested in uh in any conversation about uh ending federal law enforcement but we want to

00:24:47.840 empower local law enforcement and that certainly is a very effective arm of the fbi the fbi takes full

00:24:54.080 advantage of local sheriff's deputies and police officers who are detectives and experienced

00:24:59.520 investigators and their agencies nominate them to receive a deputization as a task force officer within

00:25:05.680 the fbi and they do vital work they're just as powerful and just as involved in the daily processes and

00:25:10.480 investigations of the fbi as as any other special agent is and the added bonus is they have state

00:25:15.360 arrest authority as well i think that the the way that we can resolve the situation is let's remove

00:25:20.720 the 1811 designation the criminal investigator the armed criminal investigator that is within the fbi

00:25:26.320 if you want to keep the agency and not eliminate entirely fine let's convert it to an mi5 model where

00:25:31.040 it's a domestic intelligence agency for tactical purposes only as opposed to just spying on american

00:25:35.840 citizens but take away its arrest powers and instead let's deputize locals who have the experience

00:25:41.280 beyond just a 20-week crash course at quantico and let them do the work that's going to most impact the

00:25:47.360 main streets of their communities be it state local or federal crimes that they can then bring to a u.s

00:25:52.720 attorney as opposed to the bidding of the political lead and the lobbyists on k street

00:25:59.040 steve thank you so much for joining us you are a true patriot and a hero and i mean that with the

00:26:03.440 utmost respect if people want to follow you and stay tuned with what you're doing and support you

00:26:08.720 where can they go well thank you very much uh i'm on twitter at real steve friend i'm a senior fellow

00:26:15.280 at the center for renewing america uh doing they do some great work there and i actually have a book

00:26:20.560 on presale right now on amazon that's coming out june 13th it's called true blue my journey from beat cop

00:26:26.560 to suspended fbi whistleblower i would really like this to get as many eyeballs as possible uh and if

00:26:32.240 anybody feels compelled to maybe buy a second copy and send it to the hoover building as a gift to

00:26:36.720 christopher ray i'm sure he would really appreciate learning about what's actually going on at the fbi

00:26:43.040 i love it thank you so much for joining us steve and we'll be back with dave walsh

00:26:48.480 talking energy i just have to say though our whistleblowers are so much better than theirs remember

00:26:54.160 all the crazy globalist democrats that were up during trump's first impeachment i take our whistleblowers

00:27:00.160 any day we'll be right back with dave walsh hang in there 0.55

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00:31:41.520 war room battleground with stephen k bannon

00:31:49.120 still not stephen k bannon it's natalie winters filling in but like i said don't worry he'll be back

00:31:54.320 tomorrow at 10 a.m uh we've got a still have a full show packed for you uh luckily i'll have

00:32:01.600 dave was joining us shortly to talk all things energy and at some point we may pull away because i

00:32:06.960 believe uh speaker mccarthy will be holding a press conference about the negotiations um on the debt

00:32:13.600 ceiling what he talked about with president biden and then he is set to have after this show ends at

00:32:18.560 7 p.m a more official press conference from the capitol um talking i think about the same

00:32:24.400 stuff but until then we still have a lot of news to get to seems like the biden regime it's hard to

00:32:31.040 tell which issue they've screwed up the most royally my money would be in for energy specifically

00:32:38.800 curtailing domestic energy production remember i think it was his first day in office he issued a

00:32:45.040 slew of executive orders basically kneecapping american energy production i think at a level that

00:32:51.040 had never been seen before that of course capped off by canceling the keystone pipeline and i think

00:32:56.800 that energy is one of these areas that's very interesting because a lot of the business deals

00:33:02.560 that hunter biden and many of his family members and his dozens of llc's pursued and profited from

00:33:09.360 had to do with energy all forms of energy coal nuclear green energy lithium battery cars you name it so

00:33:18.320 i think there's an interesting nexus there between why joe biden's energy policies are so america

00:33:23.520 lasts so really woefully america lasts you can't even quite fathom that you can't really make sense

00:33:29.440 of it but joining me to make sense of the craziness if it's even possible if anyone could do it it's our

00:33:36.160 next uh energy secretary dave walsh i think he should be joining us now but there's been some interesting

00:33:42.240 articles uh not just from the war room or the national pulse or breitbart from the mainstream

00:33:49.680 press talking about how some of the the green energy the green agenda policies being pushed by joe biden

00:33:56.400 uh really are going to leave americans with severe energy shortages uh one of the articles that you sent

00:34:03.280 me from the wall street journal the epa threatens to turn out the lights its proposed power plant emission

00:34:08.640 rule to destabilize the energy grid and reliable electricity i thought when people like you and

00:34:14.080 i said that that we were just crazy conspiracy theorists but it looks like we've been proven

00:34:18.880 right yet again for the what is it 120th time uh if you could sort of walk us through specifically

00:34:24.880 this article and then we can get into what the washington post is saying as well thank you so much

00:34:29.520 for joining us natalie thanks for having me the the op-ed was written by a former commissioner of

00:34:35.760 ferk the federal regulatory commission for power in the country uh about 20 years ago very articulate

00:34:43.200 piece missed only one detail but it was right on target what we reported on the show here the day

00:34:49.680 of the release of the epa's new mandate to either install carbon capture systems or be convert to hydrogen

00:34:57.520 fuel all of our major coal and gas-fired power plants in the country by about 2035 which would

00:35:05.360 cost about 3.2 billion a power plant times about 500 power plants plus of that kind of capacity would

00:35:12.800 be over a trillion five the epa reported oh this will only cost 10 billion no it would cost a trillion

00:35:19.360 five if we're widely implemented if anyone could afford to do it so his article is right on target this

00:35:25.360 is as we reported here an attack directly on a full 62 percent of american electricity 62 percent of the

00:35:33.360 terawatt hours of power produced daily are from two-thirds from gas-fired very advanced gas-fired

00:35:41.600 combined cycle plants or be one-third from coal plants which generate power all of the time 24 hours

00:35:48.560 a day our on-demand base load resources and those plants by the way are about 75 of our continuous duty

00:35:55.360 power those are the ones under specific attack by this promulgation of the epa which also is underpinned by

00:36:01.920 new new fears that now co2 causes asthma causes lung disease causes lost injuries at workplaces

00:36:11.040 people can't come to work because of the disease caused by co2 this has never been stated before co2

00:36:18.880 has never been identified as a harmful pollutant yes it has been associated by some with a theory of

00:36:26.080 global warming but not with not with human damage there are nitrous oxide sulfur uh heavy particulate

00:36:32.560 mercury heavy metals emissions are pollutants co2 has never been one but this this has been conflated

00:36:39.040 this and what this would do would would have the effect of shutting down by lack of ability to comply

00:36:45.040 with this massive cost of about 3.2 billion a plant to try to convert to these methods most of them would

00:36:52.160 shut down we wind up in a time when we're talking about electrifying the nation by 50 percent more

00:36:58.240 with an ev adoption program that's radical and through a conversion of home heating from gas to

00:37:04.320 electric in the northeast and midwest we'd need 55 60 percent more power generation to accommodate these

00:37:11.440 articulated administration needs he's he's taking specific actions to shut down our base load continuous

00:37:17.680 duty power at the same time this is this is incredible and uh there is a back channel story

00:37:23.920 of the way utilities have seized on this already to massively profiteer from promoting the rapid

00:37:31.360 installation of renewables to displace base load generation resources such as here in florida with

00:37:37.680 next era and other utilities across the country taking egregious advantage of this where they are

00:37:43.040 in a rate base as generators they make more money the faster they churn assets so here in florida for

00:37:50.480 example we have just north of the studio in west palm the beautiful um riviera beach power plant

00:37:56.320 1250 megawatts absolutely state-of-the-art siemens gas to urban equipment just commissioned in 2014

00:38:04.560 massively efficient massively clean the envy of china the kind of plant that is actually the envy of china

00:38:12.880 so if you go to why you know what the motivation behind a lot of this is really i think it's

00:38:17.680 strongly origins from china to get these plants shut down because they they don't have efficient clean

00:38:23.360 plants such as the riviera beach power plant the west county energy center the uh okie chobe plant that

00:38:29.760 fpl has the variety of their plants are they're effectively brand new and here they're talking about shuttering

00:38:36.000 them to build huge huge 1200 square miles of solar in florida at an enormous cost to ratepayers something

00:38:44.720 like 370 billion over the next 22 years to take advantage of the asset churn related to renewables

00:38:53.680 i subscribe to the axiom that if it ain't broke don't fix it but it seems like the biden regime wants to both

00:39:00.480 break it and then not fix it and make sure that the chinese communist party profits from it right uh

00:39:07.360 you sent me another very interesting very concerning article too which i want to hit before we get into

00:39:13.440 some of the motivations behind this green energy push because i'd argue never altruism that uh

00:39:20.800 motivates anyone on the left but another headline again this is from the washington post

00:39:25.040 post fresh blackout threats emerge as power grid faces a stressful summer much of the country could

00:39:33.360 be at risk of electricity shortages amid projections of an unusually hot summer i'm sure we can blame

00:39:40.160 climate change for that uh but if you want to walk us through some of those figures and the elaborate

00:39:45.200 detail you always do i'm sure the audience would appreciate that well we have known known electricity

00:39:51.040 electricity shortage not not just not grid issues they a little bit misstate that it's actually the

00:39:57.760 shortage of power generation shortage of power plants running all the time wind and solar don't run all

00:40:04.000 the time they run very part-time so already in texas in california we have mass shortages and chronically

00:40:11.120 announced brownouts and service curtailments in the summer and spring that added to that the miso which

00:40:16.880 is the upper midwest and the pgm region which is pennsylvania maryland eastern ohio all of that pgm

00:40:23.600 plus miso are about 25 28 states have also announced that they've already got severe energy shortages

00:40:30.800 related directly to the premature shutdown over the last six years of enormous number of continuous

00:40:36.880 duty coal plants in all of those states the shutdown of some gas plants and the displacement of a lot of

00:40:42.400 that capacity with wind that works only 37 of the time and therefore doesn't work 63 of the time so

00:40:50.800 that there are enormous shortages uh burgeoning we had in north carolina tennessee over christmas for

00:40:56.720 christmas eve and christmas day announced by the utilities shortages not of the t and the transmission

00:41:02.320 system but the generation plants aren't sufficient to generate enough electricity anymore to meet the

00:41:08.000 coldest days in the winter because of for example in north carolina the massive adoption over the past

00:41:14.160 10 years of solar only as most of the new generation capacity by duke energy up there and that works up

00:41:21.040 there about about five hours a day and doesn't operate 19 hours a day of course at night it operates nada

00:41:28.000 so you wonder why is there a shortage of electricity it's not the it's not the transmission of it that's in

00:41:33.280 short supplies basically the the because of these renewables that are very very part-time and by the

00:41:38.960 way very intermittent we're lacking enough generation of electricity now it's it's a huge

00:41:44.400 huge problem with reliability in the system across the country across the country so the article is

00:41:50.000 correct but it doesn't quite pin down the why the why is we've installed for 10 years now and now

00:41:54.960 we're going to go on a massive binge the next 10 years based on the incentives provided for it for much

00:42:00.320 much more intermittent part-time partially useful generation sources displacing full-time ones

00:42:07.840 being wind and solar this is a horrendous issue we need to stop incentivizing things that work part of

00:42:14.080 the time and actually incentivize things that run full-time to provide on-demand electricity that is

00:42:20.400 when you hit the start button of a power plant you're going to get electricity within minutes of that

00:42:24.800 that's called on demand you don't get that with the nature-based resources you get it when nature

00:42:30.000 allows it which again solar usually about 18 percent of the time wind about 37 offshore

00:42:34.880 maybe 42 percent of the time but the reciprocal is time all dead time so the investments in it are

00:42:40.800 very costly very very very costly when you factor down the very limited power supply they provide

00:42:48.240 i think the efforts frankly to to crash the u.s currency are very similar to what you're seeing

00:42:53.920 going on here in other words that it's intentional they want to i'm going to use a word from

00:42:58.960 the lexicon of the world economic forum they want to reset the way that we do things to push a certain

00:43:04.800 agenda but i'm just curious my background obviously is an investigative reporter on chinese communist

00:43:09.600 party infiltration and i know how they pay off a bunch of journalists here to spread nice pro ccp

00:43:15.520 stories about why china's our friend and our ally and all the backroom deals but a lot of the think

00:43:20.960 tanks that they give money to right the atlantic council brookings really all of these groups these are also some of

00:43:26.880 the groups that are at the forefront of this climate change movement right obviously the people quite

00:43:31.200 literally on the forefront of the crazy people my age who are protesting and throwing paint on

00:43:35.600 beautiful sculptures and paintings but if you get to the sort of the ideological drivers of the

00:43:41.040 movement right this think tank i would argue that they've largely been co-opted by the chinese communist

00:43:46.480 party who is of course i'd argue the largest beneficiary of america transitioning to green energy

00:43:52.800 not just because it tanks our economy and our ability to be an effective productive country

00:43:57.840 but also because they quite they have monopolies on all the rare rare earth minerals that we need for

00:44:03.440 the batteries for these electric cars right you can kind of list chapter and verse all the ways that

00:44:08.080 it benefits them you used to work in the energy industry so i think we sort of complement each other's

00:44:15.200 knowledge in answering this question but when it comes to the drivers the motivators behind this green

00:44:21.520 energy push you know who are who are the key players in other words if you had to sort of apportion it

00:44:28.160 out do you really think that china and the chinese communist party is really pushing this drive or who

00:44:34.320 are some of the the other bad actors involved in this really descent to hell well i do think they're

00:44:42.640 heavily involved in it and i'll tell you why i was the head of the china joint ventures in westinghouse we

00:44:47.600 were a partner with the largest turbine companies in china i was the vice chairman back in the late 90s

00:44:54.400 they they are and remain massively envious an area of huge competitive advantage we have over here

00:45:01.360 is the fact of natural gas and then the fact of highly advanced gas turbine power plants that are

00:45:08.320 on the order of 64 percent thermally efficient extremely clean and run very clean natural gas such

00:45:14.560 as the one i mentioned down by west palm beach is an example of them we've got about 550 of those

00:45:20.160 kinds of plants in the country china doesn't have that technology they don't have it for a couple of

00:45:25.760 reasons one was they always lack natural gas supply well unfortunately guess what that's just been solved

00:45:31.680 with their alliance with putin when the pipelines are built they will now be flush with piped in which

00:45:36.640 is the cheapest way to get it natural gas but point two a lot of the advanced gas turbine technology of the

00:45:43.360 blade path of a super advanced gas turbine which is really a scaled up huge jet engine

00:45:48.800 do come from f-16 f-35 type of similar technology that that siemens ge mitsubishi have never been

00:45:56.640 permitted to pass to the chinese appropriately and therefore they've lacked the technology to get into

00:46:02.080 this space um and they're massively envious of it matt and because large frame gas turbines in combined

00:46:09.920 cycle plans provide this country an enormous low cost energy advantage over what they have industrially

00:46:16.400 militarily for the production of equipment for the product of armaments of machine tool everything

00:46:21.680 cars cheap electricity means means economic competitiveness they haven't had that level of

00:46:29.360 machinery making electricity at the efficiency we do and the low cost we do therefore they've been

00:46:34.560 massively envious therefore they've pushed very strongly monetized programs to push their lithium-ion

00:46:40.560 batteries their thin film pv the electric car emission and the co2 mantra to try to detach us from our 0.96

00:46:49.120 ginormous advantage economically of this terrific natural gas resource we have and are using through

00:46:55.920 tremendous german japanese mitsubishi german siemens american ge gas turbine technology to produce

00:47:03.600 massively cheap electricity that's an advantage we have that they don't that they'd like to crush

00:47:08.480 they'd like to crush that and when biden comes along with these programs to decarbonize all these

00:47:13.360 plants with carbon capture that's unaffordable he's he's he's doing that and i'm arguing for them

00:47:19.680 they're they're they're way behind this because the benefit of these solar farms and

00:47:23.920 battery storage eighty percent of the value added comes from china in the in these facilities of course they're

00:47:30.480 pushing it but they get it they get a two a twofer in winning one is the destruction of our robust energy

00:47:36.720 sector but the second is a massive balance of trade pickup further by being the exporter of all of the

00:47:43.520 lithium uh ion batteries and all of the thin film pv for solar so and now that we got more products

00:47:50.320 coming along he's mandating uh distribution transformers be amorphous core transformers that's a

00:47:56.640 specialized winding of uh metallurgical steel that's only comes from china biden administration is now

00:48:03.760 mandated that's what we need to use exclusively for distribution transformers that's an entirely china

00:48:09.360 sourced item so here's yet another commodity has hit the the biden hit list from china this is

00:48:17.840 they're they're too involved in this to be to deny it every aspect of this they're benefiting from

00:48:23.040 i remember when the critiques gosh i was not that old but you know just a decade ago was mainly

00:48:31.360 focused on big government and over regulation and big government sucks but it seems like now we've we've

00:48:36.800 hit the day where it it's not even necessarily that the issue is big government it's the issue that our

00:48:42.480 government is actually quite literally being weaponized against us and i i think the two guests who preceded you

00:48:48.960 really underscored that point but it's really concerning to see it happen on the energy front

00:48:54.480 too um so if you could just walk us through one more time because i think a lot of these these stories

00:49:00.880 when we talk about them i've got a few minutes before i gotta let you go um you know we're called

00:49:06.240 conspiracy theorists we're called crazy people we're peddling disinformation but all of this when it

00:49:11.360 comes to energy the food supply um stuff that directly impacts national security um you know

00:49:18.800 when joe biden says that these claims are unfounded and that the policies that he's pushing are directly

00:49:23.920 supporting the chinese communist party it seems sort of preposterous because the the policies that he

00:49:31.920 is pushing for there's no proven track record that they were and the only actual recipient of any

00:49:40.880 benefit are chinese companies so your theory of the case is someone who really has seen this world

00:49:48.800 from a lot of different vantage points and you know you obviously share that expertise with war room

00:49:55.120 what do you think really is is driving the biden regime is it an ideological capture that these

00:50:01.680 people just think green energy is the way of the future it's the same people who won't have children

00:50:06.080 because they don't want to you know add to their carbon footprint or do you think it's a

00:50:10.480 personnel compromise the people who are pushing these policies are deeply in bed uh financially or

00:50:17.040 otherwise with the chinese communist party i think you know it's not limited to the administration

00:50:23.360 um we also have huge businesses over here very wedded to chinese supply chains such as in florida florida

00:50:30.000 power and light next era you know all of the solar panels they've again i said they have a plan

00:50:36.080 to erect 1200 square miles of solar panels in this state in the next 22 years at a cost of about 120

00:50:43.920 billion dollars of rate increases to customers here 80 of which will come from china yes they've got a

00:50:50.000 small factory in jacksonville it will do assembly of i i think about 80 20 of the value added of otherwise

00:50:58.960 chinese imported uh thin film pv panels that will come in there and probably have frames put on them or

00:51:04.560 something and then be trans shipped to sites so companies have been badly bought into this also

00:51:10.720 um but no this is so it is so pervasive across so many product areas of all of these policies

00:51:16.960 they're a major appliance maker so when you talk about converting gas to electric they benefit

00:51:21.680 these transformers distribution transformers amorphous core cores they make 85 of them in the world

00:51:28.320 the administration's energy department has just mandated the use of them evs you know tesla does

00:51:35.040 about 80 billion a year the chinese collective industry manufacturing evs does 200 billion a year

00:51:41.360 so their goal and objective ultimately certainly is to send batteries over here inside of the cars they

00:51:47.520 make and already the hang on unfortunately unfortunately it's not the ccp or the biden regime we're up against 0.99

00:51:54.960 time so i'm sure we'll have you back on later this week to pick up on that point but if people

00:52:00.560 want to stay in touch with you and follow you where can they find you find me on getter at dave

00:52:05.120 walsh energy and truth social the same thank you natalie thank you thank you thank you so much dave

00:52:09.840 thank you for joining us and thank you war room posse for tuning in i know i'm no steve but i try my

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