Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 315： A Cyber Pearl Harbour

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:18.580 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the

00:00:25.580 authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just

00:00:31.480 like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and

00:00:36.220 misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is

00:00:40.500 the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground

00:00:47.240 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:51.660 Ukraine tonight is in a full-scale fight to take back Russian-occupied land.

00:00:57.600 Hi, Richard. Good to see you again. How are you?

00:00:59.960 A pivotal moment for our interview with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky

00:01:03.200 at the presidential compound in Kyiv.

00:01:05.240 This must be a very critical time for you.

00:01:08.140 Critical and very busy.

00:01:10.800 For over a year, Ukraine has been fighting successfully to defend itself.

00:01:15.260 Now, going on the offensive to break through Russian front lines is proving to be challenging.

00:01:21.740 We are now in the early days of this long-anticipated counter-offensive. How's it going?

00:01:29.460 I cannot give you all the details. There are both defensive and offensive actions.

00:01:37.940 Things look not bad. I would say it's generally positive, but it's difficult.

00:01:45.260 Our heroic people, our troops, who are now at the front of the front line, are facing very tough resistance.

00:01:56.040 And you understand why?

00:01:58.240 Because for Russia, to lose this campaign to Ukraine, I would say, actually means losing the war.

00:02:07.280 President Zelensky also had a dire warning.

00:02:10.000 He blamed Russia for blowing up a dam, which Russia denies, flooding dozens of villages,

00:02:15.760 and tells us the next Russian target is the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant.

00:02:21.340 Russia does want to blow up the station.

00:02:24.160 Why would they want to do that?

00:02:27.280 Because, like with the dam, they are not interested in Ukraine's security.

00:02:32.200 They always need instability here and want the world to pressure Ukraine to stop the conflict.

00:02:44.140 He says Russia is getting desperate as more Western military aid is coming.

00:02:49.900 Today, the U.S. and other allies agreed to train Ukrainian pilots to operate F-16s.

00:02:55.360 But it's still unclear when they'll arrive and how many.

00:02:58.940 You've been talking about planes since day one.

00:03:02.960 I remember seeing you in the very early days of the war in this building, in the basement.

00:03:08.340 Now they're somewhere in the pipeline.

00:03:11.720 What has been the effect of having weapons rolled out like this, given slice by slice over time?

00:03:20.060 It's prolonged the war.

00:03:21.760 If we are supplied with the machinery that is currently held by our partners, we will

00:03:31.260 win faster.

00:03:32.580 We also asked about comments from former President Trump and Governor DeSantis questioning American

00:03:37.680 support for Ukraine.

00:03:39.480 President Zelenskyy invited both to come here and said, unless Vladimir Putin is stopped

00:03:44.640 in this country, there'll be a wider war with NATO.

00:03:51.760 OK, there you are right there. That interview is going to be up all over the weekend. Richard Engel is the chief foreign correspondent for NBC. I know Richard done interviews with him in Rome before about the Vatican. Good guy, but clearly part of the of the narrative engine of this Ukraine situation.

00:04:13.960 Remember, to get to the bottom of the Biden crime family, you've got to understand Ukraine.

00:04:23.140 Early in my days at Breitbart, in the first couple of years, when I decided we were going to expand it, we were going to start by the expansion in London and in Jerusalem and in Rome in hiring Rahim Kassam.

00:04:38.280 The first thing Rahim told me, the very first thing, he says, I've got to go to Ukraine.

00:04:41.260 I go, why you've got to go to Ukraine?

00:04:43.080 He goes, there's a revolution over there, color revolution, the modern revolution, and it's going to be absolutely central to the West. 0.51

00:04:51.280 And I go, nobody cares about the Ukraine.

00:04:53.480 We've got so many other issues and problems.

00:04:56.000 And he says, no, I've got to go.

00:04:57.540 And he went over and did amazing coverage from there.

00:05:00.760 Ukraine's been a central part of this issue in the United States since that time.

00:05:06.080 Because, as you know, Victoria Nuland and that crowd were in back of that color revolution.

00:05:11.560 So we're going to get into all of it.

00:05:12.600 I want to start off. Congressman Ken Buck, we're having a little technical problem. As soon as we get him up, I'm going to cut into our analysis of capital markets, the economy in Ukraine, and the intersectionality of those three to take Ken Buck.

00:05:26.680 Ken Buck is a legendary deficit hawk, and he's here to talk some basic common sense to folks about exactly what's reality in this budget, what's the reality in this deficit, the debt, and how Ukraine, the powers that be in this city, are trying to put in, as we told you, a supplemental for Ukraine, an additional supplemental for Ukraine to just be another side pocket for hundreds of billions of dollars in cash for the defense contractors.

00:05:56.680 So let me go back and pull back for a second, because Zelensky is basically right there telling you, if you don't give me unlimited money, if you don't give me unlimited weapons, if you don't underwrite my government, your sons and daughters are going to come over here and die in this foreign battlefield.

00:06:11.140 That's what he just said.

00:06:11.800 The West is going to get pulled into this.

00:06:13.640 Newsweek magazine has a big headline, huge headline up, is that NATO's going on war footing about Russia.

00:06:20.700 Let me bring in Rebecca Koffer for us.

00:06:22.420 I've got Ben Harnwells with us in Rome.

00:06:25.020 But, Rebecca, I want to start with you.

00:06:27.460 This was your line of country when you were at the Pentagon Defense Intelligence.

00:06:32.560 This war is metastasizing, and it's not just about this spring offensive.

00:06:38.480 You heard Richard Engel sitting there making the pitch.

00:06:40.660 Haven't these new weapon systems helped you?

00:06:42.380 Haven't all the stuff we've given helped you?

00:06:44.340 The kinetic conflict, and baby, it is a bloodletting right now.

00:06:49.460 And we keep saying the Western powers, the elites in Washington, D.C., Davos and London, they're going to fight.

00:06:56.040 Boris Johnson and this crowd is going to fight to the last Ukrainian soldier is dead.

00:07:00.540 And I think the spring offensive is proving this.

00:07:02.380 But talk to us. Give us your situation report on exactly where we stand in this conflict in mid-June at the beginning of the much heralded, long-awaited spring offensive, ma'am.

00:07:15.360 The most important thing today, Steve, is exactly what the Newsweek announced, and that

00:07:23.440 is that NATO is in the process of transitioning onto a wartime footing to prepare for a direct

00:07:32.100 kinetic conflict with Russia.

00:07:35.220 What does this mean?

00:07:36.580 he is as somebody who briefed NATO many times including top commanders and

00:07:46.180 political officials from 28 countries back then now it is 30 and as someone

00:07:53.520 who actually participated in war games stimulating a US and Russia direct

00:07:59.620 conflict that exactly we are in right now as a proxy I can tell you that this article is correct

00:08:08.760 let me say specifically what Admiral Rob Baez said in May he's a top NATO official he said

00:08:16.720 we need to prepare for the fact that the conflict can present itself at any time directly with

00:08:24.580 moscow and here's what's going on right now within nato uh the alliance is examining thousands of

00:08:33.380 classified documents outlining regional plans for war okay this cannot be underestimated

00:08:44.020 but when that war starts it drags in the united states as the leader of nato what does this mean

00:08:51.860 the battlefield has expanded beyond conflict in ukraine and the russians who have preemptive

00:09:01.860 doctrine right they're not gonna wait until nato is gonna set its foot uh in ukraine because

00:09:08.740 conventionally russia is inferior they're afraid of losing this war just like zelensky said and so

00:09:16.260 they would preemptively attack both some of the nato uh countries starting with non-kinetic attacks

00:09:25.300 cyber just as we see today and the united states there's the specific doctrine cyber armageddon

00:09:32.180 doctrine right space armageddon doctrine that the russians developed back in 2010 because they have

00:09:38.660 decided that a war between russia and the u.s is inevitable because it has seen u.s efforts to

00:09:46.260 uh pre-ban into russia's perceived strategic security perimeter right um whether it's ukraine

00:09:52.500 or georgia and the minute that the russian intelligence has assessed whether they assessed

00:10:01.060 it correctly or me or incorrectly do miscalculation and misinterpretation of what we call in the

00:10:07.060 intelligence business indications and warnings iaw if they detect if they decide that nato is about

00:10:13.940 to deploy forces they're gonna unleash massive cyber attacks here in the homeland we just saw

00:10:22.020 a precursor which in my assessment it is a shot across the bow the precursor is the uh the cyber

00:10:30.500 attacks on the U.S. Department of Energy, which manages our nuclear infrastructure and dozens of

00:10:38.780 other federal agencies and hundreds of U.S. businesses, the new ransomware attack. This is

00:10:44.840 the shot across the bow. It's going to go from there into our power grid. The Russians have

00:10:51.800 massive capability to really disrupt and cause chaos in our society. Attack hospitals, attack 1.00

00:10:59.840 uh financial services other critical infrastructure again we war gamed all of this back in the

00:11:05.200 intelligence community where i read led red teams you know us versus russia so this is all not

00:11:13.040 hypothetical anymore here's what putin himself steve said today uh on friday at the st petersburg

00:11:21.280 economic forum reacting to newsweek's you know announcement that nato is transitioning onto a

00:11:29.200 a wartime footing. Here's Putin's quote. The alliance is certainly getting involved in this

00:11:37.700 conflict. They are supplying military hardware, including the F-16s. And then he said, we're

00:11:47.940 going to think about where and how we're going to target those F-16s. So what he is implying here

00:11:55.020 is that he may not just target them in Ukraine.

00:11:59.500 He may target them outside of Ukraine

00:12:01.960 before they actually hit the delivery base.

00:12:07.380 And he finalized by saying,

00:12:10.380 NATO is taking every single effort

00:12:14.400 to achieve strategic defeat of Russia on the battlefield.

00:12:20.360 And what does it mean to them?

00:12:21.800 It means that they're going to fight like hell and they're going to preempt this because they believe the United States is out to defeat Russia, kinetically.

00:12:34.720 And so they're making that assessment based on what we've been doing, you know, in Ukraine and other places around Afghanistan, coastal Libya, Syria.

00:12:45.120 And they're basing this on all the rhetoric coming out of Washington, such as Biden himself, you know, saying this man can no longer remain in power.

00:12:56.180 He's a work criminal.

00:12:56.980 Hey, Rebecca? 0.92

00:12:58.200 Yes.

00:12:58.660 Rebecca?

00:12:59.380 Yes, sir.

00:13:00.140 Hang on for one second.

00:13:01.140 I've got – just put a pin in there.

00:13:02.480 I'm going to come right back to you.

00:13:04.100 We're going to go for an update on the bloodletting of the spring offensive.

00:13:07.960 So just hang on.

00:13:08.620 We've got Rebecca Koffler, former Defense Intelligence Agency official.

00:13:12.440 We got Ben Harnwell live in Rome.

00:13:16.240 We're going to go to all that about this Ukraine situation.

00:13:18.540 Let me bring in America's leading deficit hawk and an individual.

00:13:23.920 The reason I admire him so much, he will give it to the American people with the bark on

00:13:27.780 with no happy talk.

00:13:29.200 Congressman Ken Buck, Republican of Colorado.

00:13:33.320 Congressman Buck, there's a story today, and you're primarily featured, the lead story

00:13:37.320 today in the Hill newspaper.

00:13:38.460 We talked in the morning show about this, about your appearance here.

00:13:42.440 And it's all about, you know, these kind of more games that are being played by McCarthy and some of the Republicans, and obviously the Democrats are out of control on federal spending and government spending, and how you're sitting there saying, we're not going to have any games here.

00:13:57.620 We're going to actually have a real accounting, and we're going to start really cutting the budget.

00:14:01.540 Can you talk about this whole concept of 2022, 2023, rescissions?

00:14:05.340 Because, you know, our audience is not just vast.

00:14:07.840 It's an activist audience that wants to get up to speed.

00:14:10.920 you're revered as being i think one of the few serious uh along with some of your colleagues in

00:14:17.220 the 20 uh a serious deficit hawk so you can walk through exactly what reality is and what we're

00:14:23.440 talking about on these appropriations bills in any reality we don't get stuck with another cr

00:14:28.620 and another omnibus on christmas eve this year sir yeah absolutely so uh president or speaker

00:14:35.600 McCarthy made a promise that he would go back to the 2022 funding levels with discretionary spending

00:14:44.340 when he was making the deals to become Speaker. He now is talking about using the 2023 funding

00:14:52.240 levels and through rescissions getting down to the 2022 funding levels. So in other words,

00:14:58.700 we would use the ability to go in and claw back some of the COVID money or some of the other

00:15:05.160 money that has been used for electric vehicle recharging stations or IRS agents. He wants to

00:15:12.660 go in and claw that money back, which is great, but then he would go from 2023 numbers down to

00:15:19.000 2022 numbers. What we're saying, Matt Gaetz, Andy Biggs, Bob Good, Lauren Boebert, myself,

00:15:26.920 Eli Crane, some others are saying, no, you promised 2022 numbers, go to 2022 numbers,

00:15:33.820 Then start clawing back these billions of dollars that have been promised out there, but not spent yet, and use that money to get even further.

00:15:44.460 Steve, this debt deal that Kevin McCarthy and Joe Biden made adds $4 trillion of debt to our national debt in the next 18 months.

00:15:56.040 $4 trillion.

00:15:57.380 And what we're saying is that's absolutely unacceptable.

00:16:00.600 We've got to start at 2022 numbers and then start reducing from there.

00:16:07.620 Let me get back to that in a second.

00:16:09.600 I want to say the trailing 12 months have just come in, and I'm coming into my Goldman Sachs experience.

00:16:14.640 The projections are always great, but you look at the last 12, it's $2.1 trillion deficit.

00:16:19.640 I think it's $800 billion until May, just in this fiscal year.

00:16:24.380 And the reason is the economy slowing at the current tax structure we have.

00:16:28.340 The tax revenues are coming in lower.

00:16:30.480 I think particularly April and May on personal income is like a 20 percent miss or something.

00:16:35.220 Let me pull back the camera.

00:16:37.660 What is it about your colleagues?

00:16:39.840 I mean, look, our audience reveres you and the others, but they sit there going.

00:16:44.980 This is kind of basic math.

00:16:47.020 What do your colleagues miss about the financial crisis we're in and how you can't play games anymore on the margins of this federal spending, that we've got to get serious about it?

00:16:57.560 Because there are many great people that are not with you guys right now, particularly a lot of smart people.

00:17:03.320 What are they missing about this crisis that we're in?

00:17:07.800 Well, Steve, I don't think they're missing anything.

00:17:09.440 I think they're actually playing a game that involves trying to get reelected and somebody else will have the problem eight, 10 years down the road.

00:17:19.540 They hope eight, 10 years down the road.

00:17:21.920 We are going to default.

00:17:23.980 You know, I kept hearing during the debt ceiling bill negotiations.

00:17:29.740 Well, you know, we don't want to default in June.

00:17:31.760 This country is going to default if we don't get our act together and we don't turn this ship around very, very soon.

00:17:39.440 and it may already be too late. We may already be in the throes of the inflationary cycle

00:17:45.120 that results from all of this just absolutely irresponsible spending that's going on.

00:17:53.800 When you go back and talk to your constituents in Colorado, what are the working class and the 0.57

00:17:59.700 middle class folks that have their own lives to live that can't pay attention to politics like

00:18:04.740 the war room posse or war room cadre audience when you're back in town halls and just meeting 0.84

00:18:09.620 folks at coffee shops do they have a you think they have a handle on what this crisis is with

00:18:14.320 our nation's debt steve i have to tell you every time i go into the vegetable section at my local

00:18:20.660 grocery store it's a town hall meeting people are coming up to me and they're asking about the debt

00:18:26.080 and they understand they may not understand uh discretionary spending versus mandatory spending

00:18:30.880 They may not understand recessions, but they understand that you can't spend more money than you have over a long period of time without very severe consequences.

00:18:40.920 People have that level of common sense that this just doesn't make sense to them.

00:18:45.160 As soon as you get outside the beltway, people understand what's going on.

00:18:49.360 I tell people we have one thousand one hundred and eighteen unauthorized programs, meaning that Congress hasn't looked at these programs to see if there's any wasteful spending.

00:18:59.040 We have a rule package in the House that says you can't appropriate to unauthorized programs.

00:19:06.660 Every appropriations bill waives that particular rule and then appropriates to unauthorized programs.

00:19:15.720 There's not a single hearing in five months of this administration in the House that will look at wasteful spending in these unauthorized programs.

00:19:24.240 People understand where we're going and why we're going there, and it's because of the selfish attitudes that we have in the U.S. House.

00:19:33.820 That gets down to programmatically what you've got to do.

00:19:36.400 Do you think McCarthy and leadership will back you up on actually getting to these unauthorized programs?

00:19:41.180 If they're not going to be authorized, you just zero them out?

00:19:44.000 Is that something we can look forward to?

00:19:45.540 Is that going to be another fight where there's 20 or 30 of you heroes against the rest of the—forget the radical Democrats—against the rest of the caucus?

00:19:54.240 Well, I think I don't know that they'll have a choice because at some point we've got to do exactly that.

00:19:59.640 We've got to make sure that we are going after the unauthorized programs.

00:20:04.420 We have known for decades, for example, the Endangered Species Act was passed in 1973, reauthorized in 1978, hasn't been reauthorized since.

00:20:14.740 No one has looked at that Endangered Species Act to determine is there wasteful spending?

00:20:20.020 Is this something we still need?

00:20:21.400 I remember back in the day, Steve, that we were trying to save the bald eagle.

00:20:25.880 Well, the bald eagle is saved.

00:20:27.820 Let's move on.

00:20:28.880 Let's cut that program down so that we can get back on a safe financial footing.

00:20:35.980 We've got about four or five minutes.

00:20:37.420 I know you've got to bounce, but since our audience thinks so highly of you, walk us through the Ken Buck plan of not playing games.

00:20:43.920 If you were in charge, right, if Speaker McCarthy said, OK, Ken, I've heard enough, you take it.

00:20:49.100 It's your deal.

00:20:49.640 walk us through your internal logic. How do we get our hands around this?

00:20:54.400 Well, first, Steve, thank you for coronating me. I appreciate that. But the reality is we've got

00:20:59.940 to get back to pre-COVID numbers. President Trump and President Biden at the beginning of his

00:21:06.220 administration spent money to try to keep this economy going. Fine. Now that COVID is over,

00:21:13.040 people should be back at work, and we've got to get back to those pre-COVID numbers. So we have

00:21:17.280 to move back to the 2019, 2018 spending levels and make sure that the great economy that President

00:21:23.380 Trump created creates this revenue stream that will help us reduce the deficit. That's the only

00:21:29.420 answer is to spend less. We also are going to have to deal at some point with the mandatory

00:21:34.020 spending side. We are going to have to address Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other

00:21:38.760 mandatory programs that are out there and make sure that it only happens for those who are

00:21:43.480 young workers, those under 40, under 45, and that those who are in Social Security and relying on

00:21:50.240 Social Security have the comfort of knowing that that is going to be protected. But we can change

00:21:58.440 the trajectory that we're on right now if we look at mandatory spending and severely reduce

00:22:04.620 the discretionary side. Now, Steve, the other thing that we have to do is we have to look at

00:22:10.680 what is a federal program? We should not be in the business of telling school boards,

00:22:15.580 local school boards, what they should be doing. We should not be in the business of telling states

00:22:19.880 how to regulate their environment. Those are all programs that were intended for the states

00:22:26.620 in our constitution. And we're overspending in large part because we have enlarged the scope

00:22:34.060 of the federal government. The federal government should be focused on defense. It should be focused

00:22:38.400 on immigration. It should be focused on customs, on maintaining the currency. Those are federal

00:22:43.940 functions. We need to give back to the state those things that are the state's responsibility.

00:22:50.520 Two things. I noticed after this debacle over the debt ceiling and all you patriots should

00:22:55.640 stand up, they came back afterwards in the Senate and said, oh, by the way, yeah, it's

00:22:59.360 approved, but we got to put a pin in. We got to have a Ukraine supplemental. We're doing

00:23:03.340 a special right now on Ukraine. Is the Ukraine supplemental going to pass? I mean, is that

00:23:08.760 another couple of hundred billion dollars? Don't they realize this money just can't be created

00:23:13.260 out of thin air? They don't realize that, Steve. They've been creating money out of thin air for

00:23:18.900 a long time, and we're feeling the effects of it right now in our economy. So they talked about a

00:23:23.560 Ukraine supplemental. They talked about a supplemental for defense. So in other words,

00:23:28.920 Since McCarthy and Biden agreed to raise defense spending, now they want to raise it even further.

00:23:35.280 And as soon as the Republicans say, we want to raise defense spending, the Democrats come along and say, well, we want to raise social spending.

00:23:42.360 And so they in the past, what I've witnessed is there's a dollar for dollar.

00:23:47.120 We say defense goes up one dollar.

00:23:50.080 They say these, you know, welfare programs, food stamps, other programs go up one dollar.

00:23:56.500 So that is a very serious problem that we have to address is how a supplemental is going to affect other issues.

00:24:05.140 We can't afford the supplemental, much less a dollar-for-dollar exchange.

00:24:11.040 Last thing you said earlier in this interview or this conversation that we are going to default, and we've got to stop the happy talk.

00:24:19.840 Just give me a minute of your logic on that, of how we are going to default, so how to avoid it?

00:24:26.500 Well, the only way to default it is to turn the ship around.

00:24:29.000 We have to spend less money.

00:24:30.880 You know, we aren't undertaxed, Steve.

00:24:34.140 We are overspent.

00:24:35.820 And the sooner we get that understanding, the better.

00:24:39.900 The problem in politics is it's very difficult to take goodies away from people once you have given them.

00:24:47.100 Once they have started relying on Obamacare, once they have started relying on all of the spending that's out there,

00:24:53.460 it's very difficult to start clawing that back.

00:24:56.040 And that's exactly what we need to do. 0.55

00:24:58.120 If we default, the people who are most at risk, the working class Americans who are just able to make ends meet are going to be the people who suffer the most.

00:25:09.000 The very people that the Democrats pretend that they are trying to help are the people who are going to suffer.

00:25:15.560 And as Republicans, that's our base.

00:25:18.320 We have to stick up for those people.

00:25:19.920 And the way to stick up for them is to make sure that we don't go over the edge and default.

00:25:26.040 Congressman Buck, how do people get to your site to find out more about this fight that you're having as the leading deficit hawk, and what's your social media?

00:25:34.260 Yeah, so the best way to contact me is through our office, 202-225-4676.

00:25:42.680 The way to send us emails is buck.house.gov is the best way to send us an email.

00:26:01.620 And my Twitter handle is at RepKenBuck.

00:26:06.560 At RepKenBuck.

00:26:07.960 Okay, we'll make sure everybody loads in there and follows you closely.

00:26:10.880 Congressman, thank you for fighting this fight.

00:26:12.720 Thank you for being the leading deficit hawk in the House.

00:26:16.440 We greatly appreciate it.

00:26:18.260 Thank you, Steve.

00:26:19.260 It's been great to be with you.

00:26:21.760 Thank you.

00:26:22.360 Congressman Ken Buck, Republican of Colorado. 0.93

00:26:25.600 The common sense of if we want to avoid a default and a default is going to crush the working class in this country, we've got to stop the spending. 0.84

00:26:32.560 And we've got to stop the spending now. 0.99

00:26:33.980 No more games.

00:26:35.280 Okay, we're going to come back in a second.

00:26:36.640 We've got Ben Harnwell in Rome.

00:26:38.620 I have Rebecca Koffler.

00:26:40.340 They're talking about a Ukraine supplemental of a couple of hundred billion dollars.

00:26:45.680 Where is that going to go as the war in Ukraine metastasizes into the West?

00:26:50.740 NATO on war footing.

00:26:52.160 What does that mean for you?

00:26:53.980 What does it mean for your sons and daughters?

00:26:55.740 All next in the war room.

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00:32:27.500 okay um one thing rebecca koffler talked about by the way i want to thank ken buck for making

00:32:34.960 time um he's the guy that's at the tip of the spear in this it's going to be tough this the

00:32:39.820 spending is absolutely essential and they're trying to play games the rescission game all

00:32:43.360 these kind of games he's sitting there saying no we got to go back to pre-covid levels when um

00:32:49.120 a couple of years ago when uh one of the defense secretaries uh retired uh leanne panetta panetta

00:32:59.220 went to uh he gave his kind of farewell address and he had been everything in chief of staff

00:33:04.400 all this he's had a long line of of um government service uh in panetta's i know he's an acquired

00:33:12.700 taste a very smart guy obviously a progressive democrat done a lot of damage but a very smart

00:33:17.960 guy, and in his mind, dedicated to the defense of the country.

00:33:21.140 He went to the USS Intrepid, I think it was New York City, went to Midtown on the Intrepid

00:33:27.520 and gave a farewell talk, and I remember it was up in New York, and he talked about his

00:33:31.520 greatest concern, as he was stepping down as Secretary of Defense, was a cyber Pearl

00:33:35.880 Harbor, a cyber Pearl Harbor that would be a predicate upon an expanding kinetic war.

00:33:42.460 Right now, the signals could not be stronger that something's up.

00:33:47.420 We now know, and the Biden regime has lied to you about two central things.

00:33:51.440 They lied to you about the spy balloon or the spy craft that came over,

00:33:58.380 about when it was picked up, what we knew about it.

00:34:00.300 They wanted that just to go away, and the CCP knew about it, knew we were cow-towing.

00:34:04.040 They wanted that not to become a public thing.

00:34:07.700 They also lied about the same thing.

00:34:09.420 Admiral Kirby looked Andrea Mitchell in the eye and lied to her on national TV a week or so ago

00:34:15.520 about the situation in Cuba.

00:34:17.620 And what the Chinese Communist Party has

00:34:20.000 and their partners,

00:34:21.420 they're the senior partner with Russia,

00:34:23.500 what they have is in the old Russian military base

00:34:25.880 there is a electronic warfare,

00:34:28.280 an offensive cyber,

00:34:29.280 not just an eavesdropping or can listen in.

00:34:32.260 They have an offensive cyber capability.

00:34:35.780 And so what Leon Panetta was talking about

00:34:37.640 is worry about a cyber per harbor

00:34:39.960 on the grid, on critical infrastructure.

00:34:41.960 As Rebecca Koffler said,

00:34:43.860 it was announced,

00:34:44.620 Hey, on Thursday, you had a massive, Wednesday and Thursday, you had a massive cyber attack, not by the CCP this time, but by the Russians.

00:34:52.780 Remember, I was telling Peter Navarro last week, this is no longer just a criminal activity.

00:34:56.880 This is state power.

00:34:58.400 These are criminals working with the state in Eastern Europe and in Russia and in Belarus and other places to do these cyber attacks, as the Chinese Communist Party does also with these hoodlum groups. 0.60

00:35:09.780 And now they've formalized it into a military doctrine, part of unrestricted warfare. 0.72

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00:35:59.080 Koffler, real quickly, because I want to get Ben on here.

00:36:01.820 Koffler, tell me how the much heralded, Zelensky is just sitting there with Richard Engel

00:36:09.680 NBC. He said it's going fine. You know, I can't give you a lot of details, but it's going fine.

00:36:14.560 How is the spring, the much heralded spring offensive going as far as on the ground of what

00:36:21.100 actually is happening, ma'am? Well, first of all, it's a bloodbath for both sides. And Ukrainian

00:36:29.680 forces have suffered tremendous losses in heavy equipment and soldiers. They are meeting tremendous

00:36:38.220 resistance from the Russian forces as they're attempting to breach the Russian's line in the

00:36:44.840 east of the territory, in the east of Ukraine and the south of Ukraine, right? Both countries are

00:36:51.860 hemorrhaging tremendous amounts of manpower. But look at this. Today, Putin decided that he may

00:37:01.940 actually tried to seize more of Ukraine's territory to block this counteroffensive.

00:37:08.720 They have already used this Karhovka Dam in order to significantly alter the topography

00:37:16.400 of the battlefield.

00:37:18.180 And so this is another move that Putin is planning.

00:37:22.100 And my intelligence analysis tells me that he's going to try to do that in the Belgorod

00:37:27.300 uh area to push uh forward because the ukrainians are conducting in in addition to their counter

00:37:34.740 offensive they're also conducting sabotage operations to destabilize uh the areas that are

00:37:41.460 bordering uh russia the ukrainian the russian territory that is bordering rather uh to ukraine

00:37:48.020 so this is what's going on but the most important thing that we are now becoming a target of non

00:37:56.260 kinetic warfare by putin because the russians have concluded that we are wanting to stage a

00:38:05.060 strategic defeat of russia by participating in this conflict that zelinski is trying to use

00:38:13.860 um to pit us against the russians and to defeat russia with our own hands with the weaponry that

00:38:21.060 Is it your professional assessment that the objectives of the spring offensive, the taking back of significant territory in the Donbass, in the eastern Russian-speaking regions, or an outright attack in the taking back of Crimea,

00:38:41.520 Is it your belief that those are those achievable objectives by the Ukrainian military as you see it on the 16th of June in the year of our Lord, 2023?

00:38:53.200 These are not achievable objectives.

00:38:56.040 And here's why, Steve.

00:38:57.460 Even if we can provide all the military hardware in the world to Ukraine, Putin is not going to wait until the Ukrainians recapture the territory and especially the Crimea.

00:39:10.960 that not only the Russian government, but the majority of the Russian population consider

00:39:16.900 Russians. He's not going to see what they perceive strategic security perimeter to Ukraine,

00:39:22.480 and he's going to invoke, escalate to de-escalate nuclear warfare in addition to cyber warfare that's

00:39:30.140 going on right now, not only in Ukraine, but targeting the homeland. And one more point I

00:39:36.720 want to make is that it's not just the cyber criminals. The Russian government is behind it

00:39:42.720 because what they use is they use proxy forces to attack countries like the United States in these

00:39:50.780 highly complex operations for the reasons of plausible deniability. The objective is to place

00:39:57.260 pressure on the Biden regime to withdraw support from Ukraine and to show to the Americans that

00:40:03.940 we're not going to sleep, you know, safely at night, that they're going to target our power grid

00:40:09.600 if we do not rise up and place pressure on our leaders to withdraw support for Ukraine. 0.76

00:40:17.420 That's how the Russian doctrine works, and it's preemptive.

00:40:20.720 Okay, hang on for a second. I want to go to Ben Harnwell. Ben, as Rebecca's pointed out,

00:40:29.540 Newsweek magazine, NATO's on war footing. Give us your assessment. You've been going through

00:40:33.820 all the media you've been focused on this a lot tell me what's going on good evening steve good

00:40:39.880 evening rebecca yeah well the story i actually want to start with today is a scoop that was

00:40:46.220 broken by foreign policy magazine and i wonder if denver is able to put this up as i'm talking

00:40:51.740 because according to a named source who's speaking to foreign policy their information is that

00:40:57.780 Ukraine will not be invited formally to join the NATO alliance in NATO's annual summit in Vilnius

00:41:07.700 in Lithuania next month. Now based on what Rebecca was just saying throughout this show,

00:41:14.020 it looks I would speculate that there are some sort of territorial turf wars going on within

00:41:20.020 the United States administration and I would posit it something like this because it's

00:41:25.620 impossible to know for sure but my suggestion is something that the military-industrial complex is

00:41:32.260 pushing and pushing and pushing for further US engagement via NATO. Rebecca was mentioning the

00:41:39.380 Newsweek article there about the war footing but on the other hand at the apex notionally

00:41:47.540 of the administration President Biden himself along with Germany are deeply resisting apparently

00:41:55.380 maneuvers to get NATO to accept Ukraine in a month's time and then of course everything would

00:42:02.500 accelerate and I would indicate from that the absolute importance you know you always say Steve

00:42:07.460 that elections have consequences and stolen elections have catastrophic consequences it

00:42:13.060 really would take someone and it took President Trump you know his every ounce of effort and

00:42:19.620 concentration to stop the the us mic pushing the united states into into wars over his four years

00:42:27.780 and president biden simply isn't up to that degree of resistance in facing down the generals um so

00:42:35.620 that's the first thing i would want to say the second thing hold it hold it hold it hold it hold

00:42:39.740 it hang on hang on hang on hang hold it hold it you're saying resistance he's part of the

00:42:44.360 He hasn't resisted this at all.

00:42:46.620 Isn't, in fact, Biden giving him an out to say, understand there's resistance to let him into NATO.

00:42:53.240 One, the principal resistance is their corruption, right, is their corruption.

00:42:57.180 People, I think, in NATO, some of the allies think the more money you send these guys, the more it gets skimmed off.

00:43:02.220 They're also not ready.

00:43:03.060 The military is not ready.

00:43:04.460 But isn't it Biden that's offering an alternative path now, some sort of not full membership or membership along the official, you know, boxes you've got to check?

00:43:14.260 that Finland checked and Sweden checked, but that some sort of soft NATO where they're basically in Russia's face,

00:43:22.900 the dagger at the heart of Moscow, but they're not officially in NATO.

00:43:26.040 So we get all the problems that the benefits.

00:43:27.920 Remember, the central beef that we had with NATO, with President Trump, was it's not an alliance.

00:43:33.940 It's a protectorate that the elites in Europe will not pay what it needs for their own self-defense.

00:43:40.180 And the Americans underwrite that. The 2% of GDP has never come close to being mad because they say, well, we've got to pay for health care.

00:43:49.060 We have to pay for pensions. If we pay for defense, we're not going to have money for that.

00:43:52.840 And they're brazen about telling you that. So the United States underwrites it.

00:43:56.760 Now we're going to be in the worst of both worlds.

00:43:58.880 Ukraine not even being close to being regular to any kind of official acceptance into NATO,

00:44:07.340 including paying 2% of their GDP for defense, because we're underwriting the entire thing

00:44:13.920 and going to underwrite the entire thing.

00:44:16.140 But Biden's trying to get some kind of weird middle ground where we get all the accountability

00:44:20.500 and responsibility and the out-of-control nature of, like, these Ukrainian partisans

00:44:26.040 launching missile strikes into Russia,

00:44:29.220 launching drone strikes into Russia

00:44:30.860 so that this war blows back on us

00:44:33.140 in the worst possible way?

00:44:34.300 Ben Harnwell.

00:44:35.940 Well, Steve, you're absolutely right

00:44:37.540 on both of those things that you've mentioned,

00:44:39.480 but I don't think it necessarily has to be either or.

00:44:43.340 It's possible that both of these things

00:44:45.660 that you mentioned can be true at the same time.

00:44:47.620 That is to say, Biden has been allowing,

00:44:52.060 perhaps to a certain extent pushing NATO, pushing the escalation on the one hand, and certainly corrupt up until his ears, that's absolutely clear, but it is also possible that he's trying, while pushing it forward in a certain degree, to hold it back from full-on United States engagement,

00:45:14.160 And therefore, you have this no man's land, sort of not NATO, but sort of US and NATO under written security guarantees.

00:45:24.920 And who knows what that's actually going to mean in practice?

00:45:27.740 We've all heard President Biden speaking over the last couple of years.

00:45:32.740 He's clearly not in the present moment.

00:45:35.360 So how much by the force of his own will he's able to guide these events and the decisions that are taking place around him?

00:45:43.240 I think that's a legitimate question. And we can all speculate. But what I was the point I wanted to make is that there seems to be contradictory signals going on with regards to NATO and Ukraine. And it's given the nature that they're slightly contradictory. It's difficult to know who who inside inside the room is pushing things in which direction.

00:46:06.640 Let me ask you, how's the perception in Zelensky's selling points, the spring offensive was, as I said, the much-heralded, long-awaited spring offensive that now starts a week before summer, solstice, or a couple days before the summer solstice.

00:46:22.160 what's the perception

00:46:24.960 everything, and Posovo is going to join us

00:46:26.900 tomorrow morning here in the war room

00:46:29.080 everything of my reading

00:46:30.980 and talking to experts in this area

00:46:32.600 and all the research we do

00:46:33.940 is that the Russians have put a ring of steel

00:46:36.980 around the eastern provinces

00:46:38.320 and Crimea

00:46:40.040 and this is a bloodbath 0.97

00:46:41.780 and it's a bloodbath 0.71

00:46:42.760 obviously the Russians are taking a pounding 0.66

00:46:44.620 but the Ukrainians are really taking a pounding 0.95

00:46:46.880 and they're launching missile strikes into Odessa

00:46:49.480 they've launched missile strikes into Kiev

00:46:51.040 How is this being sold to the European people right now? Because the European people, the sooner they get tired of this fiasco, the quicker we're going to get to a resolution, sir.

00:47:03.480 Steve, things are moving in Europe, and they have been moving for the last few months.

00:47:07.560 You might remember back on the 30th of March, we reported on the war room the fact that the FPO, the Austrian Freedom Party, led a walkout during Zelensky's televised address.

00:47:21.040 The same has happened today, this time in Switzerland, and it's an astonishing state of affairs.

00:47:28.000 This time it's the Swiss People's Party with its 53 out of 200 seats.

00:47:35.840 They boycotted the entire speech. Interesting, Steve.

00:47:39.680 I just want to, if I may, I just want to say exactly what the principal cause of this is.

00:47:43.600 We all know that Switzerland has been a neutral country for 500 years and that's in its constitution.

00:47:50.960 The reason that they boycotted Zelensky's speech is that they said that Zelensky is interfering inside their domestic politics and it's not appropriate because Zelensky, in his address to the Swiss parliament, is urging them to change their constitution to allow Switzerland to give permission to countries that buy its arms to re-export them to other countries, which Switzerland, because of its utility, currently prohibits.

00:48:19.140 only exports arms for countries to use in their own personal defence and won't let those countries

00:48:24.740 further export on. Zelensky went in and said you know that the Swiss need to change their

00:48:29.060 constitution and you know I think you know each time there's a walkout each time um there's a

00:48:35.540 you know there's a refusal that the tenor of the refusal um increases uh incrementally and this

00:48:43.060 time I think to hear the Swiss argument that they that they that they walked out and they boycotted

00:48:48.020 it to Zelensky's address because he is interfering in their domestic 0.52

00:48:52.040 political affairs, which of course he is doing, I think shows here in

00:48:55.960 continental Europe that the degree of wide flexibility

00:48:59.840 that European capitals have given to Zelensky is now over.

00:49:05.160 Hang on for one second. Let me go back to

00:49:07.300 Rebecca Koffler. Rebecca, if we cut off

00:49:11.780 the money from the US, and it'll be cut off if there's no supplemental

00:49:15.280 granted. And this is going to be, folks, get ready for it. This is going to be another huge

00:49:19.200 fight this summer, because they're going to try to come back quickly. Zelensky's going to cry

00:49:22.900 crocodile tears on this NBC interview, because he's interfering directly in American politics.

00:49:29.580 If we cut off this supplemental, how long could this war go on for? Would this force

00:49:34.860 Zelensky to the negotiating table? I believe it will force Zelensky to capitulate, because

00:49:42.400 we are 100% providing the entire warfighting capability to Ukraine. Without our help,

00:49:51.540 they would just capitulate within 24 hours to two weeks, I would say. But the bigger problem

00:50:00.860 is this. If we continue the support, and Putin is now driven by fear, because he is fearing

00:50:11.540 that Ukraine is actually using the United States to destabilize Russia and to conduct regime change

00:50:20.780 similar to what the U.S. has done in the Middle East, right?

00:50:24.640 Because Putin is prone for a worst-case scenario assessment psychologically.

00:50:32.060 And on top of that, he's hearing all of these rhetoric about war criminals.

00:50:37.020 And so this is why he is trying to expand the battlefield into the US. And so that is why he decided that unless we stop all of the financial flows, military hardware flows and cash to pay actually for Ukrainian bureaucrats' salaries on their health care plan,

00:51:02.680 He is preparing for kinetic warfare on U.S., I'm sorry, non-kinetic. Don't let me make this mistake because that would sound very scary. Non-kinetic warfare on U.S. homeland. But yes, if we stop funding this war, the war will stop very, very, very soon.

00:51:28.660 Rebecca, where do people go to get your writings?

00:51:32.680 I am on social media at RebeccaCoffley0132, on Getter, Twitter, Truth Social, and also catch me on my website, cuttothenews.com, for the latest top news and my analysis on Russia, China, cyber warfare, space warfare, and artificial intelligence.

00:51:57.460 Thank you for having me.

00:51:59.420 Thank you, Rebecca.

00:52:00.560 Thank you for doing this.

00:52:01.420 carbon timeout today. We're going to be back at 10 a.m. tomorrow.

00:52:06.180 Jack Posovic's going to be with me. We're going to do a deeper drill down

00:52:09.680 another layer on this entire situation as this war in Ukraine metastasizes.

00:52:14.580 What would be great if you went to birchgold.com and read

00:52:17.600 The Debt Trap, because we're going to combine capital markets, economics, geopolitics, 0.90

00:52:22.760 the war in Ukraine, and of course, the Chinese Communist

00:52:25.680 Party's expanding unrestricted warfare against the U.S. Ben Harnwell

00:52:29.940 in Rome. Where do people go to get all your information, Ben?

00:52:34.420 Thank you so much, Steve. I'm on

00:52:35.980 Gitter, and my profile is simply my surname. It's

00:52:39.900 at Harnwell, and I'm also pushing out articles. I should have one over the weekend

00:52:44.260 which you can get via subscribing on

00:52:47.780 warroom.org.

00:52:51.260 Warroom.org. Thank you very much, Ben.

00:52:53.920 Appreciate it. Have a good night and a good weekend. Thank you for pitching in here.

00:52:58.040 Okay, we're going to come back

00:52:59.740 We'll be back at 10 a.m. tomorrow morning

00:53:02.120 I'll be with Jack Basovic

00:53:04.700 Maybe a couple other surprises too

00:53:06.380 We're going to drill down

00:53:07.260 On the war against the administrative state

00:53:09.620 The expanding war in Ukraine

00:53:11.340 The Chinese Communist Party

00:53:12.620 Economics, capital markets, all of it

00:53:14.880 Tomorrow morning, 10 a.m.

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00:56:08.500 If you're going to be part of the posse, you need a strong heart.

00:56:11.520 You need a lion's heart.

00:56:13.280 How we're going to do that is with Salty.

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Bannon's War Room - June 16, 2023

WarRoom Battleground EP 315： A Cyber Pearl Harbour

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