WarRoom Battleground EP 349： Ukraine Fails In Counter Offense
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Ben Harnwell, our International Editor, joins us to talk about how we can ensure that the War Room Health posse has a healthy lion heart. Plus, we talk about a new product called Soul Tea that can help you improve your heart health.
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this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the authoritarians
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get total control and total power because this is just like in Arizona this is just like in Georgia
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it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations
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is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the fight
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all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your host
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Stephen K Bannon okay welcome back Monday 7 August year of alert 2023 we've got a lot to get into
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with our international editor Ben Harnwell first we've got as people can tell from the shows today
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a long tough fight ahead of us very winnable has to be one that we don't have a choice
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uh to do that we got to man the ramparts to man the ramparts you need to be a lion heart
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need but crom really appreciate you coming on here explain to folks thanks so much steve
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got a long tough fight ahead that's why we need a healthy heart for the lion hearts
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ben harnwell uh i want to start by by going to the cnn poll and ben's got a whole way he's going to
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walk through this because there's so much going on but ben i mean it's jack posobik and tucker
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carlson a lot of people but i think you're reporting day in and day out on the situation
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ukraine cnn this morning reporting that they have a poll that 55 of the american people 55 are saying
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no more money to ukraine we're not going to continue to do this and that is because of shows like war room
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predicated on the reporting and analysis of ben harnwell you got jack posobik you've had charlie
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kirk you've got obviously the great tucker carlson and others that have been putting forward this
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counter information from the entire apparatus including fox news which is the one of the
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biggest neocon sites of all get out now 55 of the american people oppose and ben i think the
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the number for republicans in there is like 80 or 90 percent walk me through you've got a whole
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uh report today on exactly where we stand this entire ukraine situation thanks very much steve
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and uh good afternoon to you so as you were saying that was basically the headline figure
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um it breaks down i'll post this by the way um the link i don't you'll find it coming to me on get
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all or going straight to rumble i've posted in i've posted all all of the articles i'm going to refer
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to um on on the rumble page um as i now do um so let's start off with this figures i'm going to go
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through all the headline figures steve um as you say 55 percent now say that uh congress should not
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authorize additional funding and that is down from 62 percent uh from february of of last year uh when the
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war broke out significantly um the the figure that really looked out to me here was that alongside
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very slim backing for u.s military forces to participate in uh combat operations the figure
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is steve 17 percent so if you confront that with the the the the 17 months hard slog of escalation
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that the present administration has been pushing with regards to this war almost effectively de facto
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to to get the united states involved in a direct way in this war we weren't able to cover last week
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um by the way um but the pentagon had authorized increasing the um the the emergency uh bonus due
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to u.s troops in ukraine now you might ask yourself what u.s troops are they currently serving in
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ukraine seeing as there hasn't been a war powers resolution and that would be a very pertinent
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question to ask but it was revealed that the pentagon had upped the allowance and backdated it
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in fact to april of last year so there are troops there we know this even though there's never been a
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formal statement um of that um and that is an indication i i think of just how much the the the
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military industrial complex has been desperate to get the united states into this war um on
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escalating every single opportunity and yet here it is steve that the the appetite for that
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amongst the american people themselves is at 17 percent there could not be a greater difference
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between the present administration the present biden administration and where the american people
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are right now um another figure steve that leapt out to me here was um was this hold it hold hold
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before well hang on hang on hang on hang on whoa whoa before you jump i want to go back don't bury the
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lead here they they i actually said they're giving bonuses they're going to continue bonuses to people
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that are actually in the iraq war i didn't think we had anybody they keep talking about we don't have any
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troops over there who are they giving bonuses to um um that's a very good question um as i say there
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hasn't been any particular uh statement on this i think off the top of my head that the total figure
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uh amounted at it was capped uh because they were bringing several bonuses together they were capping
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it at around 350 dollars per month um and as i say backdating it to april of last year not this year
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to april of last year just two months after the war started um and this is this is like without any war
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powers resolution um the the the president under the u.s constitution the u.s president has no authority
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to send troops into any um military active military situation where uh where where the u.s territory is
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not at stake as it's not here now that's obviously been widened a little bit and and picked away at
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around around the seams especially like for example if there are americans in interest for example the
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the the airlifts getting getting americans out in in saigon and that was that you know by a lot of
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readings that was unconstitutional but the the the office for um there's an office uh for legal
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counsel um which is uh pretty much in these instances the the unique authorization for an
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administration on on just how far it can push um how far a president can can push his constitutional
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authority um and that's sort of that that sort of that that's there in place um for presidents to
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draw on and those memoranda are are are build on what build on themselves on their own president
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and then when um the u.s supreme court gets around it basically uh rubber stamps well whatever
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and i and a lot of the time we don't know what what what are in these memoranda that uh that the
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white house is leaning on so there are american troops in ukraine we don't know how many there
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are there we wouldn't know that they were know that they were any there if we hadn't been told last
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week that the pentagon had authorized extra funding for them uh what another question steve to ask
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yourselves is which uniform they're wearing um obviously um if they're the u.s troops one would
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assume inactive duty which is where this emergency bonus kicks in that they would be wearing their
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own uniform um as they would they would be obliged to do um but if they if they are actively involved
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and they're in civilian clothes that's against the geneva convention and although the war the war
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treatise that the u.s um is signatory to so that would be another question to ask um uh that depends
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on the department of defense is how many troops are there how many will get this this bonus if they
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are in active duty are they are they are they wearing their uniform um we don't know because
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the uni party in congress uh prefers this position of opacity and prefers to keep the american public
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in darkness i mean isn't that it isn't that the amazing thing about this number is the dramatic
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shift since the war started uh and they it you know it's what a 45 percent now says high as 62
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but i actually believe it was much higher when it when it started uh this dramatic shift since you've had
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so few uh news organizations or opinion uh uh sites that have been able to push this out because the
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entire mainstream media including fox news foxes and and i would throw in uh newsmax into this that
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it's all been neocon rah rah you know we're fighting for liberty all the um all the candidates
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you know nikki haley tim scott's been terrible on this nikki haley's been terrible on this mike pence
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has been the worst on it uh when ronda santa's even tried to go a little bit off the reservation
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his donors slapped him around and he came back immediately i mean when he was parodying what we
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were saying it's a territorial dispute in um you know russian-speaking eastern ukraine um and in the
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the border it was much more important he got disciplined immediately and kind of came back
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to the party line it's pretty stunning to me that these numbers are now shifting and it can't be lost
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on people that the much hyped spring offensive i think has had at least something to do with i think
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the american people just said they're going i think we've been lied and miss you know misled this is
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not going like they said there was going to go everything they've told us just turned out to be
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wrong and now we're looking at another massive you know with the american economy sputtering and
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particularly working class people getting eviscerated uh their eyes are starting to open now but to me
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this is one of the most significant things in public you know an information world public opinion
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because the entire deck was stacked against against us and it was only a very few handful of people
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that really stood in the breach here from the beginning ben harnwell steve that's absolutely
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you know i would also ask look any it is now common knowledge that any news organization when it
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commissions a poll it commissions that poll to get to a certain result that is in line with this
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editorial policy so the question the first question i would ask uh and i did ask myself when i when i was
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looking at this uh this specific poll in cnn was basically why now why have they commissioned the
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poll to get to these results and i'm publishing this poll now and the only response any sane response
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i can get to steve is it fits in with the war room's analysis that we have said from vilnius onwards
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there has been a pivot away from full frontal support of ukraine um remembering of course the famous
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photograph of president zelensky standing there amongst all the heads of government and heads of
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state with nobody to talk to that that photo itself is now is now a meme and you'll see that basically
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any day on any social media platform adjusted for comments that is the moment i think um sort of
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formally vilnius nato started to pivot and put some distance between itself and ukraine and therefore
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what do you expect for the mainstream media the legacy media to do but to fall in a hundred percent
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behind the latest instructions and after going all in hyping up the war hyping up the necessity for
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america to to to give maximum support to um president zelensky then that they've now sort of pivoted on a
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dive and are now pushing um articles very much in the opposite direction in fact the pivot has been
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so quick um i've got i've got whiplash just just watching watching it take place um the the article
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i was referring to uh is in as i said i'll post it all the links um on on rumble but you can get to
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them by clicking on on this video uh if you're watching this on getter um uh i'll post those later
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the articles in the military times and it's headlined us troops in ukraine can now earn hazard pay and that's
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the article i was referring to and it just ties together a number of um a number of different
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uh bonuses that that are applicable um but it's definitely worth reading steve okay so if um do you
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have anything else to ask on the um on the cnn poll or no i just i just know i i think i i yeah before
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you go cnn i think that and this was with your coverage in vilnius i just want the audience
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uh it keeps in mind that you know this is also going to be used as a weapon against
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zelinski the administration say look public opinion shifting away and public opinion shifting away
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i think they're going to tell him for two reasons number one you continue to demand stuff
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right instead of like you know ask politely or show that you're a good partner and that's gotten
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offensive to people and clearly that's turned off some people and that's why things are turning
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away from you because of the at least perceived ingratitude number two and the more important
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is that it doesn't seem like there's progress and the administration the regime and the guys in the
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city of london and in brussels are not going to take responsibility about the overselling of the spring
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offensive i mean the the spring offensive was hyped as you know we're going to go to crimea and we're
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going to go to we're going to go to uh take back all these territories and zelinski was very um
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outspoken and what his demands were he wouldn't sit at a negotiating table for any ceasefire
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until all the territories in eastern speaking ukraine had been taken back and crimea remember three or
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four months ago they're talking about this big offense they're going to go down to crimea we said at
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the time that in their demand for uh tanks and demand for bradley fighting vehicles you remember
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the big coverage we gave about this whole situation with the tanks that came from the british came from
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the americans and the germans this was the biggest thing is this going to be take place we said for
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first off you still have this train these people and the training takes years not not weeks it takes
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years you know the americans it's tough enough for our army to fight combined arms which is
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coordinated attacks by artillery armor uh you know mounted uh mounted infantry close air support all
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of it it's it's enormously complicated we're going through the 79th anniversary of normandy right now
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and we keep telling people it just wasn't d-day the slaughter the slaughter continued particularly for
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the american troops as they slogged through the hedgerows and up until they had the breakout uh which
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occurred basically this time 79 years ago and the reason was is that they hadn't had enough time
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really to train in combined arms that they had spent so much time they had to just how to breach
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how to do the amphibious landing and i think this all pulled together and i think you're seeing an
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awakening and i think you're seeing the american people sit there going you know i've been told all
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this stuff and none of it's come true and now they've seen kind of this ingratitude
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in this kind of pushiness and you know we're demanding this you have to give us this
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coupled with the fact the results are not even the lies and misrepresentations spin because every
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couple days you kind of get a oh they're doing great now and you're gonna walk us through it's
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one story after the other of just the slaughter of uh the slaughter of ukrainian people and particularly
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i would i would say courageous dedicated patriotic but untrained essentially untrained uh ukrainian
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troops who are being uh who are being led to the slaughter um you've pulled me back into the cnn
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um article here because um another one of these takeaway results is that a bigger worry and i quote a
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bigger worry across across partisan lines in this poll is that the war will continue without a
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resolution for a long time that is the war will will continue and go on and on and on nearly eight
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in ten people are worried about that including 82 percent of democrats and uh 75 percent of independents
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and 73 percent of republicans so rather counter-intuitively the democrats themselves these are ordinary rank
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foreign members not the party machinery the democrat members democrat voters themselves are more anxious
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about being tied in to a long run war but even on these this is a vast majority of the american people
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um as cnn themselves say this cuts across party lines is what they don't want um which is why to come
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back i think to something that you and i have said on my uh most recent uh appearances on on this show is
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that the biden administration should be using its influence now to get these sides at the negotiating
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table and talking and instead of pushing the line that america will support um ukraine um with whatever
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it takes for as long as it takes i mean that's that's the mantra that's not going to get both sides down
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okay fantastic you you can press on i know you got a lot more you want to get through
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i do um so you you mentioned um just a few moments ago that uh two of the reasons for um for a breakdown
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in relations let's call it that between um u.s nato and ukraine the first was the way president
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zelensky uh comports himself with uh with other western leaders um and then the second aspect
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you mentioned was the slow progress of the counter offensive i might add um a third factor i think
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um which is probably um upsetting the west and that's the fact um and you've mentioned it i think
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and you mentioned it today we certainly mentioned it in uh in recent uh episodes of this show and that
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is ukrainians are departing unilaterally departing from an agreed in inverted commas an agreed
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strategy here uh that is say nato the americans the brits have been very proactive in giving
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the zelensky's top military officials their professional strategic advice on how to conduct
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this war um and zelensky has unilaterally decided he's going to take the the the machinery and the
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armament armaments and everything that were in them cash and that were that were sending over but he
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himself is going to decide his military strategy and it's not working out too well either um and i don't
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think because there is a reputational aspect that is important um when we're dealing with a with
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balance of powers um that all sides need to have you need to you know all potential foes who aren't
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pleasantly at kinetic war need to have a realistic and healthy respect for the other's ability and if
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nato does anything that completely humiliates itself on the world stage um that would be destabilizing
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so i think that is also one of these factors that nato is is now extremely concerned with the way
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that um that the counteroffensive isn't going well and one of the reasons it's not going well
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is because the ukrainians are just reverting to their their first tried and tested military
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approaches rather than the approach that that the americans but but but but but this gets back this
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but this gets back to the point i made a moment ago is that the entire construct
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was sold as all of nato coming in with whatever arms they had and particularly mobile whether
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bradley fighting vehicles or our tanks and that the infantry here was going to be it was going to
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be what we call combined arms it was going to be both air uh um tanks for mobility mounted infantry and
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bradley fighting vehicles for mobility and uh in in artillery and and obviously close air support
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that is enormously in in a it seemed to me that nato and the particularly the biden regime and the
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pentagon push that hard this is why we were saying that we had jack posovic on here months ago
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just knowing how difficult this is for the americans to fight like this this takes years of training and
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we have combat training centers and like uh to do the desert uh training of combined arms is out i think
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in fort erwin out in the mojave desert uh we've got we've got training facilities all over uh to train
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in fact before world war ii they had a huge training exercise that went on i don't know for a couple of
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months to get people ready in 1939 for potential in 1940 for potential war in europe and and we were
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so ill-prepared in the north african campaign is the reason patent came in uh and and and they
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eisenhower had relieved a bunch of generals this is enormously difficult it takes army's practices
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in in in protocols and procedures and you have to do it second nature nato and those guys all because
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they saw what the russians were doing and how the russians were digging on defense and so they thought
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oh we're going to go to maneuver warfare i'm not so sure that was zelinski's or his generals first i think
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they got sold that because not just glamorous you get a lot more equipment you get a lot and that's
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what i'm saying we have to have tanks we have to have fighter aircraft we have to have all this
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i'm not sure that it came up uh from the ukrainians themselves i think that was once again the western
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approach to war that uh that uh that that we have the construct we have i mean the vermont had the
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same kind of construct mobile you know complete mobile infantry or you know tank warfare it didn't
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work out too well i think what happened i and i we'll take a break i want to talk to you about this
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and i'm not so sure i disagree with zelinski in this senior command because they have a troop problem
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remember one of the biggest things they're getting in in ukraine right now is they're having a tough
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time getting conscripts there's i don't think there's a tons of volunteers that now want to go back
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and take back the donbass from the russians or crimea they have a manpower problem they're having
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a problem recruiting people they a lot of people trying to sneak out of the country or just not
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serve and so just like the british in world war ii the making sure that they don't lose their manpower
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is of paramount importance anyway ben harnwell we got a lot to go through uh the situation ukrainian
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this is going to be a centerpiece of what happens when we get back in congress in september short break
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okay uh welcome back ben i want to go to at first i want your observation of that but i got to go to
00:31:47.140
the um uh this uh you have from the intelligence update from defense intelligence about the um
00:31:55.260
about uh the about the undergrowth if we get if if memphis can put that as memphis have that
00:32:00.880
we're we're as we're going through the 79th um anniversary of normandy as we said one of the
00:32:08.280
issues in combined arms is was they weren't prepared for normandy were the hedgerows i forget how you
00:32:16.460
pronounce it ben bocage i think in french these massive hedgerows burning around from time immoral
00:32:21.420
they didn't realize how bad it was going to be and that slowed down our armor and our mounted infantry
00:32:27.080
and it's one of the reasons led to the slaughter until they could figure that out and eventually
00:32:31.580
push the way and kind of slog through it to have the breakout later uh it it was horrible for the
00:32:37.680
americans here i mean really you've got this uh you you've got this up if they didn't if in this
00:32:44.940
thing talks about the the fields have laid fallow for what a year and the underbrush i mean it seems
00:32:53.520
like just to reach and this is the type of things they're trying to reach out to now because i don't
00:32:58.220
think that they fully appreciated at the time how difficult this was going to be to actually pull off
00:33:06.040
and this is why i keep talking about lambs led to slaughter i believe that this was a i believe this
00:33:11.720
was a a nato american driven a strategy of of mobile warfare that is incredibly effective but
00:33:21.580
takes literally years and years and years of training um to uh to have those kind of muscles
00:33:29.660
you know the muscle memory you know of how to deal this in its complexity and i think that's one of
00:33:35.820
the reasons you're seeing this thing grind down now uh ben harnwell steve i have to tip my hat to
00:33:42.580
the woman posse here because it was um someone on uh one of our one one of the members of the
00:33:49.300
posse that that tipped me off about this um here that i'm gonna go through now um and that's where
00:33:55.460
you the bet the most informed uh participants in this debate uh is taking place on ghetto the the
00:34:03.360
interaction there is outstanding close that bracket what what was just up on the screen a moment or so
00:34:09.320
ago that's this is the official uh uk ministry of defense twitter feed readily identifiable by the
00:34:16.520
i stand i stand hashtag stand with ukraine um with bookended on either side with the ukraine flag
00:34:23.660
um and here there is their attempt to um put into a context the slow progress of the um or lack
00:34:34.220
progress of the um counter-offensive and this is what the the official ministry of defense
00:34:41.100
is um twitter can is attributing the delays to undergrowth as you said undergrowth we're growing
00:34:48.680
across the battlefields of southern ukraine is likely one factor contributing to the generally
00:34:54.340
slow progress of combat in the era and they they themselves say that the predominant predominantly
00:35:00.860
arable land in the combat zone has now been left fallow for 18 months with the return of weeds and
00:35:07.880
shrubs accelerating under the warm damp summer conditions um and then it just goes on steve
00:35:14.520
unlike um the the the the context of france 70 uh 70 years ago i i think this is just my only
00:35:24.400
comment that i can put on this is is to quote debatent what you said what you posted on um on
00:35:30.540
getter last week to some such deception from the mainstream media you said this is how dumb they think
00:35:36.380
you are uh and that's the only and that's the only commentary i can put on top of this um on on top
00:35:43.520
of that that's the official uk ministry for defense twitter account um we're gonna stick with the
00:35:50.700
counter-offensive however um memphis if you'd very kindly put up for me the bbc um article and i just
00:35:58.620
should be the third article in my list the headline is ukraine counter-offensive against russia yields
00:36:07.260
only small gains in the first two months so really you know if we're dealing with a bbc article and you
00:36:15.600
want to see that the buried lead what do you do you scroll right down to the very bottom
00:36:19.880
which is what we're going to do here and i'll just pick out a couple of choice excerpts literally
00:36:26.140
we're talking the final sentences of this article ultimately the bbc say time is not on ukraine's
00:36:33.180
side and then for kiev the clock is ticking meanwhile russia simply has to hang on to the
00:36:40.400
territory it has illegally seized the rest of the article is basically a water down version of
00:36:45.520
anything you will have heard on the war over the last year and a half um but it is interesting to
00:36:52.200
see that the the british state-owned media now is is starting to push forward at a different editorial
00:36:58.480
position from the one it had been okay hang on for one second hang on ben for one second can you ben
00:37:10.040
can you hear me yes okay fine um yeah i i want to make sure people understand that this is going to
00:37:19.700
make it more difficult the the brits particular under enormous pressure you just had a defense
00:37:26.520
minister resign you're under an enormous pressure because and and you guys come as close as poland
00:37:33.820
does to actually fulfilling your obligations under nato to get as close as possible to two percent
00:37:39.020
of gdp uh of your gdp for defense spending but you're under enormous the the brits are an enormous
00:37:45.820
problem you're running out of ammo the country's got in an economic crisis right now they don't they
00:37:51.580
can't figure out how they're going to pay for anything they get the national health services upside
00:37:56.020
down there's all types of talk about actually cutting the the need to cut the defense budget
00:38:02.140
in britain they were all the british elites boris johnson particularly they were all in a thousand
00:38:09.360
percent on this and boris johnson who to me is one of the great villains in this entire piece
00:38:15.160
has been promoting people about how the spring offensive how you know he was one of the ones that was
00:38:20.520
pushing onto crimea right and and now you're seeing when bbc the official organ says that the
00:38:26.200
british people take that as holy writ when they start saying small gains after two months
00:38:31.480
given all the pressure that britain's under for for economic policy unable to pay their own bills
00:38:39.620
all these issues on their own financial crisis this is going to make as soon as the first one that cuts
00:38:45.580
and runs boom that's going to make this coalition is going to make it virtually impossible
00:38:51.000
for anybody to write big checks or continue to write big checks ben harnwell
00:38:55.460
it's absolutely right steve yeah we we said i think 12 months ago um analyzing the potential
00:39:03.940
rollout of this war we said that fundamentally this war isn't going to be one on the battlefields
00:39:09.300
of ukraine it will be one in the ballot boxes of the united states and the uk very much indicating that
00:39:15.840
it was the the pop the maintaining of popular support in these financial and military contributing
00:39:23.440
countries that was going to dictate the fundamental um direction of the war and i think this is what
00:39:30.140
we're seeing now in real time we said this a year ago but you know it's it's taken it's taken more
00:39:35.540
time than i expected but it is certainly now reality is starting to kick in and you can't spend money
00:39:42.820
you can't give money away you can't give wealth away that hasn't been created and we have substantial
00:39:47.640
problems economic problems um right around the west um thanks to covid thanks
00:39:53.440
the lockdowns thanks to the uh the insane policy of sanctions against uh russia and all of these
00:40:03.980
but if you if you're if you don't if you don't if you don't show if you don't show um real battlefield
00:40:10.200
gains from this spring offensive how is how is uh the tour how are the tories going to back this
00:40:16.120
at all how are you going to back the types of the level that ukraine needs and remember the whole
00:40:22.180
thing about being an ingrate i think was most i came up really in england or between the uk and
00:40:28.600
zelinski the most their demands have been so uh i would say egregious to the british military
00:40:35.740
that you literally i think are out of ammo in a lot of different areas with the bbc putting that up
00:40:41.540
how can any politician in england continue to press on this when there's no light at the end of the
00:40:46.320
tunnel that's you know that's a very good question and i think it's in that church in himself uh way
00:40:54.480
uh wrestled with and and weighed throughout the second world war but of course that was very much
00:41:00.540
different um for great britain because we did have it was by the time we entered the war it was
00:41:06.960
um imminently an existential you know when we came in when when the germans invaded poland uh we came
00:41:14.460
in because we felt that we'd under we'd underwritten poland's security um and that was considered at
00:41:20.940
that time certainly by churchill to be the line because the uk would sooner or later this point
00:41:27.400
the uk sooner or later would would have to enter this war to fight for itself due to an eventual german
00:41:32.880
attack so the whole shtick of winston churchill was to persuade the british people that that the
00:41:40.220
reality was as he saw it that this was an existential fight for great britain um fighting fighting the
00:41:47.140
germans hence that you know i have nothing to offer but blood toil tears and sweat and that was affected
00:41:52.700
because britons listened to his word and they they felt themselves that yes this is this is existential
00:41:59.640
for the uk because germany will now whether churchill was right on that historians have never
00:42:04.820
really uh been unanimous on that some some um historians departing from the flock have said
00:42:12.380
actually germany wouldn't have attacked but put that to the aside churchill was effective because he
00:42:18.520
was able to convince great britain that they that that was the second world war was existential for
00:42:24.360
for great britain and the empire that we're not in that situation now whatever despite whatever
00:42:31.040
president zelensky says about he's he's on the front line here because he's he's fighting uh the
00:42:36.580
against russians on on the eastern frontier of europe because if he doesn't they're going the russians
00:42:41.940
are going to roll through into the rest of continental europe well look nobody believes this um i can
00:42:48.320
understand why he's saying it from his perspective you know it's a smart move it's a smart thing to say
00:42:53.920
but it's not going to have the resonance that what that churchill had uh 70 years ago because it
00:43:00.000
doesn't strike most people as being true and it doesn't strike british taxpayers as being true and
00:43:06.680
it doesn't strike american taxpayers as being true either that's the fundamental difference between then
00:43:12.640
and now um we don't have an existential interest in this war you said that steve i think within 24 hours
00:43:19.940
um of of um of of of of the war but when when uh president biden's rolled up and said look we're
00:43:29.320
going to support ukraine here because it's a fight for democracy he said look let let let let the president
00:43:34.700
come to congress and explain to unified joint congress exactly what america's interests are in ukraine
00:43:43.700
and you said this basically every day for three minutes um and then you gave up because you know
00:43:50.060
there's there's because it wasn't going to happen but but that's the point that's the difference between
00:43:54.080
then and now we don't have an existential interest in this taxpayers know it and therefore they're going
00:44:01.180
to start um making themselves uh make that dissatisfaction known ever more clearly and that actually
00:44:07.560
is oh i did want to say uh to respond to what you said just before the break about the difference
00:44:13.700
in strategies because actually it has a part to play here um in essence in essence the fundamental
00:44:21.800
difference between um the the nato way of looking at this war and the ukrainian way of looking at this
00:44:28.700
war is that ukraine has been um this is a blinder by putin ukraine has been pulled into fighting
00:44:35.260
the same sort of war of attrition that russia wants them to fight russia's interest in this
00:44:41.120
strategy has always been since it realized after like after the first 10 days that nato was actually
00:44:48.140
going to get involved in this and it wasn't going to be just a simple case of of steamrolling in
00:44:53.820
to kiev um russia then had a choice it was either to retreat or to stay in and play the long game and
00:45:00.100
wait for precisely precisely these dynamics that you were just um describing to come into play so
00:45:06.160
russia has been playing really for about day 10 onwards day 40 onwards a war of attrition to
00:45:12.580
hot to bind ukraine down uh on multiple fronts internally and and have an attrition versus attrition
00:45:21.040
um that i think is what nato didn't want ukraine to to fall into one of the reasons is of course is
00:45:28.840
that zelinski as i mentioned last time on the show gave an interview um last week where he said this
00:45:34.820
is going to be a war of attrition for 10 years um and putin won't even be alive at the end of it um
00:45:41.760
well it's simply you know is he is that just rhetoric from his part or does he actually is that actually
00:45:49.220
what is his intelligence and his military advisors are saying to him because if it is it's fundamentally
00:45:54.940
uh faithfully uh a miscalculation on zelinski's part because the west isn't in for a war of attrition
00:46:01.400
this is what you were just saying and this is i'm not sure he's i'm this is what i said earlier before
00:46:07.160
the break i'm not so sure his own country is i'm not so sure remember he's banned all opposition
00:46:12.880
i mean even in world war ii there was there was opposition to different tactics that were going on
00:46:18.260
during the war uh in investigations of pearl harbor president lincoln during our civil war
00:46:23.280
had uh had a large uh you know dissension inside of congress some that thought they were fighting to
00:46:29.680
you know the the still associated the democrats that thought he was fighting too hard others that
00:46:34.500
thought he wasn't taking a torch to the enemy uh zelinski is basically banned all opposition but even
00:46:40.960
in that i think you're getting a feel that they're not getting the volunteers
00:46:44.160
workers and they need and here you can't blame the ukrainian people so many of the best and the
00:46:49.220
brightest so many of the most courageous those with the most uh the greatest features in front of
00:46:54.780
them those with the most valor have already been destroyed in this charnel house that's been the
00:47:01.700
ukraine war and for him to speak a war of attrition is insanity he can't afford to fight a war of attrition
00:47:07.180
with the russians the russian army the same russian army that and it's obviously not uh it's
00:47:14.140
not at anywhere near the combat capability that the russian army had to defeat at the wehrmacht
00:47:19.520
but the russians know how to fight uh and they're not particularly uh sensitive to how many casualties
00:47:26.080
they take that's what's happening ben you've got the daily telegraph piece i do want to get to
00:47:31.320
we got about two minutes here can you walk us quickly through that before we punch
00:47:35.060
yeah absolutely this is um though i did have a good comeback to what you were just saying i'll say
00:47:40.360
i'll roll it over to the next to the next show this is the the headline here um memphis if you'd
00:47:46.280
be so kind fourth and final article the state of ukraine's count offensive i'm just gonna
00:47:52.680
roll right down to the bottom of the article because that's where the buried leads are
00:47:57.800
and this is basically saying and i quote there is a very real possibility we may see no significant
00:48:05.400
shift this year in the front lines from where they are today it then mentions the dynamic that the
00:48:12.440
u.s elections are going to to play um both that the ukraine will influence the u.s direction the u.s
00:48:18.600
elections and then the the result of the u.s elections will will come back and affect um ukraine
00:48:25.080
and i will conclude with with this excerpt uh it will not be long uh before the issue of support for
00:48:30.840
ukraine becomes an even more fever fever topic in u.s politics than it already is if the conflict
00:48:38.120
freezes roughly along the lines as they are today there will not be many more months before mr
00:48:44.520
zelensky may have to change tactics politically too and i think that hoovers up uh everything that
00:48:50.920
you were saying not only with western dissatisfaction but also domestic ukrainian domestic dissatisfaction
00:48:57.080
for for maga this is gonna be big this is gonna be one of the biggest issues that come back in
00:49:01.720
september about these spending bills going on they want a ukraine supplemental we're saying hey the
00:49:06.440
defense budget ought to be cut pretty dramatically ben where do people go get all your analysis great
00:49:11.400
job thank you thank you so much steve getta uh simply tap in my surname harnwell at harnwell um
00:49:19.000
and as i said when uh when i posted this video up on getta i'm going to put in uh in in the in
00:49:24.920
the descriptions follow the link to rumble because there's slightly more space on rumble i'll put in
00:49:29.880
all the links of all the articles that that i've gone through with steve um on the show today uh there
00:49:36.120
on uh on number thank you steve god bless sir okay thank you uh we'll be back at 10 o'clock live uh i want
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