Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 349： Ukraine Fails In Counter Offense

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:16.820 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the authoritarians

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00:00:39.200 all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your host

00:00:46.320 Stephen K Bannon okay welcome back Monday 7 August year of alert 2023 we've got a lot to get into

00:00:53.620 with our international editor Ben Harnwell first we've got as people can tell from the shows today

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00:04:44.180 ben harnwell uh i want to start by by going to the cnn poll and ben's got a whole way he's going to

00:04:53.520 walk through this because there's so much going on but ben i mean it's jack posobik and tucker

00:04:59.320 carlson a lot of people but i think you're reporting day in and day out on the situation

00:05:04.320 ukraine cnn this morning reporting that they have a poll that 55 of the american people 55 are saying

00:05:11.720 no more money to ukraine we're not going to continue to do this and that is because of shows like war room

00:05:17.720 predicated on the reporting and analysis of ben harnwell you got jack posobik you've had charlie

00:05:23.520 kirk you've got obviously the great tucker carlson and others that have been putting forward this

00:05:28.320 counter information from the entire apparatus including fox news which is the one of the

00:05:34.240 biggest neocon sites of all get out now 55 of the american people oppose and ben i think the

00:05:40.300 the number for republicans in there is like 80 or 90 percent walk me through you've got a whole

00:05:44.940 uh report today on exactly where we stand this entire ukraine situation thanks very much steve

00:05:52.900 and uh good afternoon to you so as you were saying that was basically the headline figure

00:05:56.940 um it breaks down i'll post this by the way um the link i don't you'll find it coming to me on get

00:06:04.020 all or going straight to rumble i've posted in i've posted all all of the articles i'm going to refer

00:06:08.800 to um on on the rumble page um as i now do um so let's start off with this figures i'm going to go

00:06:16.120 through all the headline figures steve um as you say 55 percent now say that uh congress should not

00:06:23.860 authorize additional funding and that is down from 62 percent uh from february of of last year uh when the

00:06:33.020 war broke out significantly um the the figure that really looked out to me here was that alongside

00:06:39.820 very slim backing for u.s military forces to participate in uh combat operations the figure

00:06:47.080 is steve 17 percent so if you confront that with the the the the 17 months hard slog of escalation

00:06:58.000 that the present administration has been pushing with regards to this war almost effectively de facto

00:07:04.200 to to get the united states involved in a direct way in this war we weren't able to cover last week

00:07:10.660 um by the way um but the pentagon had authorized increasing the um the the emergency uh bonus due

00:07:19.360 to u.s troops in ukraine now you might ask yourself what u.s troops are they currently serving in

00:07:25.680 ukraine seeing as there hasn't been a war powers resolution and that would be a very pertinent

00:07:30.760 question to ask but it was revealed that the pentagon had upped the allowance and backdated it

00:07:35.700 in fact to april of last year so there are troops there we know this even though there's never been a

00:07:41.620 formal statement um of that um and that is an indication i i think of just how much the the the

00:07:49.180 military industrial complex has been desperate to get the united states into this war um on

00:07:55.500 escalating every single opportunity and yet here it is steve that the the appetite for that

00:08:01.500 amongst the american people themselves is at 17 percent there could not be a greater difference

00:08:08.080 between the present administration the present biden administration and where the american people

00:08:14.880 are right now um another figure steve that leapt out to me here was um was this hold it hold hold

00:08:22.480 before well hang on hang on hang on hang on whoa whoa before you jump i want to go back don't bury the

00:08:28.140 lead here they they i actually said they're giving bonuses they're going to continue bonuses to people

00:08:34.740 that are actually in the iraq war i didn't think we had anybody they keep talking about we don't have any

00:08:39.900 troops over there who are they giving bonuses to um um that's a very good question um as i say there

00:08:49.420 hasn't been any particular uh statement on this i think off the top of my head that the total figure

00:08:55.720 uh amounted at it was capped uh because they were bringing several bonuses together they were capping

00:09:01.940 it at around 350 dollars per month um and as i say backdating it to april of last year not this year

00:09:09.760 to april of last year just two months after the war started um and this is this is like without any war

00:09:17.100 powers resolution um the the the president under the u.s constitution the u.s president has no authority

00:09:25.720 to send troops into any um military active military situation where uh where where the u.s territory is

00:09:34.540 not at stake as it's not here now that's obviously been widened a little bit and and picked away at

00:09:40.380 around around the seams especially like for example if there are americans in interest for example the

00:09:46.020 the the airlifts getting getting americans out in in saigon and that was that you know by a lot of

00:09:53.400 readings that was unconstitutional but the the the office for um there's an office uh for legal

00:10:00.240 counsel um which is uh pretty much in these instances the the unique authorization for an

00:10:09.100 administration on on just how far it can push um how far a president can can push his constitutional

00:10:16.240 authority um and that's sort of that that sort of that that's there in place um for presidents to

00:10:24.740 draw on and those memoranda are are are build on what build on themselves on their own president

00:10:30.240 and then when um the u.s supreme court gets around it basically uh rubber stamps well whatever

00:10:38.260 and i and a lot of the time we don't know what what what are in these memoranda that uh that the

00:10:44.700 white house is leaning on so there are american troops in ukraine we don't know how many there

00:10:51.880 are there we wouldn't know that they were know that they were any there if we hadn't been told last

00:10:57.200 week that the pentagon had authorized extra funding for them uh what another question steve to ask

00:11:03.560 yourselves is which uniform they're wearing um obviously um if they're the u.s troops one would

00:11:09.320 assume inactive duty which is where this emergency bonus kicks in that they would be wearing their

00:11:15.280 own uniform um as they would they would be obliged to do um but if they if they are actively involved

00:11:22.780 and they're in civilian clothes that's against the geneva convention and although the war the war

00:11:29.700 treatise that the u.s um is signatory to so that would be another question to ask um uh that depends

00:11:36.920 on the department of defense is how many troops are there how many will get this this bonus if they

00:11:43.340 are in active duty are they are they are they wearing their uniform um we don't know because

00:11:49.080 the uni party in congress uh prefers this position of opacity and prefers to keep the american public

00:11:56.840 in darkness i mean isn't that it isn't that the amazing thing about this number is the dramatic

00:12:02.340 shift since the war started uh and they it you know it's what a 45 percent now says high as 62

00:12:08.220 but i actually believe it was much higher when it when it started uh this dramatic shift since you've had

00:12:14.800 so few uh news organizations or opinion uh uh sites that have been able to push this out because the

00:12:22.520 entire mainstream media including fox news foxes and and i would throw in uh newsmax into this that

00:12:29.980 it's all been neocon rah rah you know we're fighting for liberty all the um all the candidates

00:12:36.160 you know nikki haley tim scott's been terrible on this nikki haley's been terrible on this mike pence 0.69

00:12:41.020 has been the worst on it uh when ronda santa's even tried to go a little bit off the reservation

00:12:45.720 his donors slapped him around and he came back immediately i mean when he was parodying what we

00:12:50.700 were saying it's a territorial dispute in um you know russian-speaking eastern ukraine um and in the

00:12:57.680 the border it was much more important he got disciplined immediately and kind of came back

00:13:02.620 to the party line it's pretty stunning to me that these numbers are now shifting and it can't be lost

00:13:09.640 on people that the much hyped spring offensive i think has had at least something to do with i think

00:13:17.600 the american people just said they're going i think we've been lied and miss you know misled this is

00:13:22.780 not going like they said there was going to go everything they've told us just turned out to be

00:13:26.920 wrong and now we're looking at another massive you know with the american economy sputtering and

00:13:32.840 particularly working class people getting eviscerated uh their eyes are starting to open now but to me

00:13:38.500 this is one of the most significant things in public you know an information world public opinion

00:13:43.000 because the entire deck was stacked against against us and it was only a very few handful of people

00:13:50.100 that really stood in the breach here from the beginning ben harnwell steve that's absolutely

00:13:55.800 you know i would also ask look any it is now common knowledge that any news organization when it

00:14:02.240 commissions a poll it commissions that poll to get to a certain result that is in line with this

00:14:08.060 editorial policy so the question the first question i would ask uh and i did ask myself when i when i was

00:14:14.280 looking at this uh this specific poll in cnn was basically why now why have they commissioned the

00:14:21.700 poll to get to these results and i'm publishing this poll now and the only response any sane response

00:14:28.380 i can get to steve is it fits in with the war room's analysis that we have said from vilnius onwards

00:14:34.440 there has been a pivot away from full frontal support of ukraine um remembering of course the famous

00:14:42.400 photograph of president zelensky standing there amongst all the heads of government and heads of

00:14:47.140 state with nobody to talk to that that photo itself is now is now a meme and you'll see that basically

00:14:53.480 any day on any social media platform adjusted for comments that is the moment i think um sort of

00:15:00.760 formally vilnius nato started to pivot and put some distance between itself and ukraine and therefore

00:15:09.260 what do you expect for the mainstream media the legacy media to do but to fall in a hundred percent

00:15:14.640 behind the latest instructions and after going all in hyping up the war hyping up the necessity for

00:15:21.640 america to to to give maximum support to um president zelensky then that they've now sort of pivoted on a

00:15:28.400 dive and are now pushing um articles very much in the opposite direction in fact the pivot has been

00:15:34.860 so quick um i've got i've got whiplash just just watching watching it take place um the the article

00:15:43.340 i was referring to uh is in as i said i'll post it all the links um on on rumble but you can get to

00:15:49.940 them by clicking on on this video uh if you're watching this on getter um uh i'll post those later

00:15:56.900 the articles in the military times and it's headlined us troops in ukraine can now earn hazard pay and that's

00:16:03.480 the article i was referring to and it just ties together a number of um a number of different

00:16:07.980 uh bonuses that that are applicable um but it's definitely worth reading steve okay so if um do you

00:16:17.380 have anything else to ask on the um on the cnn poll or no i just i just know i i think i i yeah before

00:16:24.460 you go cnn i think that and this was with your coverage in vilnius i just want the audience

00:16:30.020 uh it keeps in mind that you know this is also going to be used as a weapon against

00:16:38.760 zelinski the administration say look public opinion shifting away and public opinion shifting away

00:16:43.840 i think they're going to tell him for two reasons number one you continue to demand stuff

00:16:49.520 right instead of like you know ask politely or show that you're a good partner and that's gotten

00:16:55.560 offensive to people and clearly that's turned off some people and that's why things are turning

00:16:59.080 away from you because of the at least perceived ingratitude number two and the more important

00:17:04.780 is that it doesn't seem like there's progress and the administration the regime and the guys in the

00:17:13.140 city of london and in brussels are not going to take responsibility about the overselling of the spring

00:17:20.860 offensive i mean the the spring offensive was hyped as you know we're going to go to crimea and we're

00:17:26.660 going to go to we're going to go to uh take back all these territories and zelinski was very um

00:17:33.500 outspoken and what his demands were he wouldn't sit at a negotiating table for any ceasefire

00:17:38.800 until all the territories in eastern speaking ukraine had been taken back and crimea remember three or

00:17:46.100 four months ago they're talking about this big offense they're going to go down to crimea we said at

00:17:49.820 the time that in their demand for uh tanks and demand for bradley fighting vehicles you remember

00:17:56.140 the big coverage we gave about this whole situation with the tanks that came from the british came from

00:18:01.560 the americans and the germans this was the biggest thing is this going to be take place we said for

00:18:05.920 first off you still have this train these people and the training takes years not not weeks it takes

00:18:11.600 years you know the americans it's tough enough for our army to fight combined arms which is

00:18:17.180 coordinated attacks by artillery armor uh you know mounted uh mounted infantry close air support all

00:18:26.020 of it it's it's enormously complicated we're going through the 79th anniversary of normandy right now

00:18:31.160 and we keep telling people it just wasn't d-day the slaughter the slaughter continued particularly for

00:18:36.900 the american troops as they slogged through the hedgerows and up until they had the breakout uh which

00:18:43.020 occurred basically this time 79 years ago and the reason was is that they hadn't had enough time

00:18:48.880 really to train in combined arms that they had spent so much time they had to just how to breach

00:18:53.500 how to do the amphibious landing and i think this all pulled together and i think you're seeing an

00:18:59.480 awakening and i think you're seeing the american people sit there going you know i've been told all

00:19:04.760 this stuff and none of it's come true and now they've seen kind of this ingratitude

00:19:08.380 in this kind of pushiness and you know we're demanding this you have to give us this

00:19:13.360 coupled with the fact the results are not even the lies and misrepresentations spin because every

00:19:19.740 couple days you kind of get a oh they're doing great now and you're gonna walk us through it's

00:19:23.940 one story after the other of just the slaughter of uh the slaughter of ukrainian people and particularly

00:19:31.300 i would i would say courageous dedicated patriotic but untrained essentially untrained uh ukrainian

00:19:42.080 troops who are being uh who are being led to the slaughter um you've pulled me back into the cnn

00:19:49.080 um article here because um another one of these takeaway results is that a bigger worry and i quote a

00:19:58.740 bigger worry across across partisan lines in this poll is that the war will continue without a

00:20:04.840 resolution for a long time that is the war will will continue and go on and on and on nearly eight

00:20:10.680 in ten people are worried about that including 82 percent of democrats and uh 75 percent of independents

00:20:18.560 and 73 percent of republicans so rather counter-intuitively the democrats themselves these are ordinary rank

00:20:26.000 foreign members not the party machinery the democrat members democrat voters themselves are more anxious

00:20:31.780 about being tied in to a long run war but even on these this is a vast majority of the american people

00:20:38.500 um as cnn themselves say this cuts across party lines is what they don't want um which is why to come

00:20:44.420 back i think to something that you and i have said on my uh most recent uh appearances on on this show is

00:20:51.060 that the biden administration should be using its influence now to get these sides at the negotiating

00:20:58.780 table and talking and instead of pushing the line that america will support um ukraine um with whatever

00:21:08.520 it takes for as long as it takes i mean that's that's the mantra that's not going to get both sides down

00:21:13.060 to the negotiating table

00:21:14.320 okay fantastic you you can press on i know you got a lot more you want to get through

00:21:21.320 i do um so you you mentioned um just a few moments ago that uh two of the reasons for um for a breakdown

00:21:32.600 in relations let's call it that between um u.s nato and ukraine the first was the way president

00:21:40.300 zelensky uh comports himself with uh with other western leaders um and then the second aspect

00:21:47.780 you mentioned was the slow progress of the counter offensive i might add um a third factor i think

00:21:56.880 um which is probably um upsetting the west and that's the fact um and you've mentioned it i think

00:22:04.760 and you mentioned it today we certainly mentioned it in uh in recent uh episodes of this show and that

00:22:11.200 is ukrainians are departing unilaterally departing from an agreed in inverted commas an agreed

00:22:20.540 strategy here uh that is say nato the americans the brits have been very proactive in giving

00:22:28.100 the zelensky's top military officials their professional strategic advice on how to conduct

00:22:34.860 this war um and zelensky has unilaterally decided he's going to take the the the machinery and the

00:22:42.620 armament armaments and everything that were in them cash and that were that were sending over but he

00:22:47.300 himself is going to decide his military strategy and it's not working out too well either um and i don't

00:22:53.080 think because there is a reputational aspect that is important um when we're dealing with a with

00:22:59.200 balance of powers um that all sides need to have you need to you know all potential foes who aren't

00:23:07.440 pleasantly at kinetic war need to have a realistic and healthy respect for the other's ability and if

00:23:14.760 nato does anything that completely humiliates itself on the world stage um that would be destabilizing

00:23:21.940 so i think that is also one of these factors that nato is is now extremely concerned with the way

00:23:28.020 that um that the counteroffensive isn't going well and one of the reasons it's not going well

00:23:32.720 is because the ukrainians are just reverting to their their first tried and tested military

00:23:39.500 approaches rather than the approach that that the americans but but but but but this gets back this

00:23:45.360 but this gets back to the point i made a moment ago is that the entire construct

00:23:51.460 was sold as all of nato coming in with whatever arms they had and particularly mobile whether

00:23:58.120 bradley fighting vehicles or our tanks and that the infantry here was going to be it was going to

00:24:04.180 be what we call combined arms it was going to be both air uh um tanks for mobility mounted infantry and

00:24:13.280 bradley fighting vehicles for mobility and uh in in artillery and and obviously close air support

00:24:21.160 that is enormously in in a it seemed to me that nato and the particularly the biden regime and the

00:24:29.280 pentagon push that hard this is why we were saying that we had jack posovic on here months ago

00:24:34.220 just knowing how difficult this is for the americans to fight like this this takes years of training and

00:24:40.400 we have combat training centers and like uh to do the desert uh training of combined arms is out i think

00:24:48.020 in fort erwin out in the mojave desert uh we've got we've got training facilities all over uh to train

00:24:55.560 in fact before world war ii they had a huge training exercise that went on i don't know for a couple of

00:25:00.380 months to get people ready in 1939 for potential in 1940 for potential war in europe and and we were

00:25:08.300 so ill-prepared in the north african campaign is the reason patent came in uh and and and they

00:25:15.160 eisenhower had relieved a bunch of generals this is enormously difficult it takes army's practices

00:25:22.020 in in in protocols and procedures and you have to do it second nature nato and those guys all because

00:25:29.360 they saw what the russians were doing and how the russians were digging on defense and so they thought

00:25:33.240 oh we're going to go to maneuver warfare i'm not so sure that was zelinski's or his generals first i think

00:25:40.020 they got sold that because not just glamorous you get a lot more equipment you get a lot and that's

00:25:45.260 what i'm saying we have to have tanks we have to have fighter aircraft we have to have all this

00:25:49.540 i'm not sure that it came up uh from the ukrainians themselves i think that was once again the western

00:25:58.000 approach to war that uh that uh that that we have the construct we have i mean the vermont had the

00:26:05.460 same kind of construct mobile you know complete mobile infantry or you know tank warfare it didn't

00:26:12.520 work out too well i think what happened i and i we'll take a break i want to talk to you about this

00:26:17.120 and i'm not so sure i disagree with zelinski in this senior command because they have a troop problem

00:26:23.120 remember one of the biggest things they're getting in in ukraine right now is they're having a tough

00:26:28.420 time getting conscripts there's i don't think there's a tons of volunteers that now want to go back

00:26:34.200 and take back the donbass from the russians or crimea they have a manpower problem they're having

00:26:40.740 a problem recruiting people they a lot of people trying to sneak out of the country or just not

00:26:44.920 serve and so just like the british in world war ii the making sure that they don't lose their manpower

00:26:50.980 is of paramount importance anyway ben harnwell we got a lot to go through uh the situation ukrainian

00:26:57.260 this is going to be a centerpiece of what happens when we get back in congress in september short break

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00:31:30.980 war room battleground with stephen k bannon

00:31:38.600 okay uh welcome back ben i want to go to at first i want your observation of that but i got to go to

00:31:47.140 the um uh this uh you have from the intelligence update from defense intelligence about the um

00:31:55.260 about uh the about the undergrowth if we get if if memphis can put that as memphis have that

00:32:00.880 we're we're as we're going through the 79th um anniversary of normandy as we said one of the

00:32:08.280 issues in combined arms is was they weren't prepared for normandy were the hedgerows i forget how you

00:32:16.460 pronounce it ben bocage i think in french these massive hedgerows burning around from time immoral

00:32:21.420 they didn't realize how bad it was going to be and that slowed down our armor and our mounted infantry

00:32:27.080 and it's one of the reasons led to the slaughter until they could figure that out and eventually

00:32:31.580 push the way and kind of slog through it to have the breakout later uh it it was horrible for the

00:32:37.680 americans here i mean really you've got this uh you you've got this up if they didn't if in this

00:32:44.940 thing talks about the the fields have laid fallow for what a year and the underbrush i mean it seems

00:32:53.520 like just to reach and this is the type of things they're trying to reach out to now because i don't

00:32:58.220 think that they fully appreciated at the time how difficult this was going to be to actually pull off

00:33:06.040 and this is why i keep talking about lambs led to slaughter i believe that this was a i believe this

00:33:11.720 was a a nato american driven a strategy of of mobile warfare that is incredibly effective but

00:33:21.580 takes literally years and years and years of training um to uh to have those kind of muscles

00:33:29.660 you know the muscle memory you know of how to deal this in its complexity and i think that's one of

00:33:35.820 the reasons you're seeing this thing grind down now uh ben harnwell steve i have to tip my hat to

00:33:42.580 the woman posse here because it was um someone on uh one of our one one of the members of the 1.00

00:33:49.300 posse that that tipped me off about this um here that i'm gonna go through now um and that's where

00:33:55.460 you the bet the most informed uh participants in this debate uh is taking place on ghetto the the

00:34:03.360 interaction there is outstanding close that bracket what what was just up on the screen a moment or so

00:34:09.320 ago that's this is the official uh uk ministry of defense twitter feed readily identifiable by the

00:34:16.520 i stand i stand hashtag stand with ukraine um with bookended on either side with the ukraine flag

00:34:23.660 um and here there is their attempt to um put into a context the slow progress of the um or lack

00:34:34.220 progress of the um counter-offensive and this is what the the official ministry of defense

00:34:41.100 is um twitter can is attributing the delays to undergrowth as you said undergrowth we're growing

00:34:48.680 across the battlefields of southern ukraine is likely one factor contributing to the generally

00:34:54.340 slow progress of combat in the era and they they themselves say that the predominant predominantly

00:35:00.860 arable land in the combat zone has now been left fallow for 18 months with the return of weeds and

00:35:07.880 shrubs accelerating under the warm damp summer conditions um and then it just goes on steve

00:35:14.520 unlike um the the the the context of france 70 uh 70 years ago i i think this is just my only

00:35:24.400 comment that i can put on this is is to quote debatent what you said what you posted on um on 0.71

00:35:30.540 getter last week to some such deception from the mainstream media you said this is how dumb they think

00:35:36.380 you are uh and that's the only and that's the only commentary i can put on top of this um on on top 0.56

00:35:43.520 of that that's the official uk ministry for defense twitter account um we're gonna stick with the

00:35:50.700 counter-offensive however um memphis if you'd very kindly put up for me the bbc um article and i just

00:35:58.620 should be the third article in my list the headline is ukraine counter-offensive against russia yields

00:36:07.260 only small gains in the first two months so really you know if we're dealing with a bbc article and you

00:36:15.600 want to see that the buried lead what do you do you scroll right down to the very bottom

00:36:19.880 which is what we're going to do here and i'll just pick out a couple of choice excerpts literally

00:36:26.140 we're talking the final sentences of this article ultimately the bbc say time is not on ukraine's

00:36:33.180 side and then for kiev the clock is ticking meanwhile russia simply has to hang on to the

00:36:40.400 territory it has illegally seized the rest of the article is basically a water down version of

00:36:45.520 anything you will have heard on the war over the last year and a half um but it is interesting to

00:36:52.200 see that the the british state-owned media now is is starting to push forward at a different editorial

00:36:58.480 position from the one it had been okay hang on for one second hang on ben for one second can you ben

00:37:10.040 can you hear me yes okay fine um yeah i i want to make sure people understand that this is going to

00:37:19.700 make it more difficult the the brits particular under enormous pressure you just had a defense

00:37:26.520 minister resign you're under an enormous pressure because and and you guys come as close as poland

00:37:33.820 does to actually fulfilling your obligations under nato to get as close as possible to two percent

00:37:39.020 of gdp uh of your gdp for defense spending but you're under enormous the the brits are an enormous

00:37:45.820 problem you're running out of ammo the country's got in an economic crisis right now they don't they

00:37:51.580 can't figure out how they're going to pay for anything they get the national health services upside

00:37:56.020 down there's all types of talk about actually cutting the the need to cut the defense budget

00:38:02.140 in britain they were all the british elites boris johnson particularly they were all in a thousand

00:38:09.360 percent on this and boris johnson who to me is one of the great villains in this entire piece

00:38:15.160 has been promoting people about how the spring offensive how you know he was one of the ones that was

00:38:20.520 pushing onto crimea right and and now you're seeing when bbc the official organ says that the

00:38:26.200 british people take that as holy writ when they start saying small gains after two months

00:38:31.480 given all the pressure that britain's under for for economic policy unable to pay their own bills

00:38:39.620 all these issues on their own financial crisis this is going to make as soon as the first one that cuts

00:38:45.580 and runs boom that's going to make this coalition is going to make it virtually impossible

00:38:51.000 for anybody to write big checks or continue to write big checks ben harnwell

00:38:55.460 it's absolutely right steve yeah we we said i think 12 months ago um analyzing the potential

00:39:03.940 rollout of this war we said that fundamentally this war isn't going to be one on the battlefields

00:39:09.300 of ukraine it will be one in the ballot boxes of the united states and the uk very much indicating that

00:39:15.840 it was the the pop the maintaining of popular support in these financial and military contributing

00:39:23.440 countries that was going to dictate the fundamental um direction of the war and i think this is what

00:39:30.140 we're seeing now in real time we said this a year ago but you know it's it's taken it's taken more

00:39:35.540 time than i expected but it is certainly now reality is starting to kick in and you can't spend money

00:39:42.820 you can't give money away you can't give wealth away that hasn't been created and we have substantial

00:39:47.640 problems economic problems um right around the west um thanks to covid thanks

00:39:53.440 the lockdowns thanks to the uh the insane policy of sanctions against uh russia and all of these

00:40:03.980 but if you if you're if you don't if you don't if you don't show if you don't show um real battlefield

00:40:10.200 gains from this spring offensive how is how is uh the tour how are the tories going to back this

00:40:16.120 at all how are you going to back the types of the level that ukraine needs and remember the whole

00:40:22.180 thing about being an ingrate i think was most i came up really in england or between the uk and

00:40:28.600 zelinski the most their demands have been so uh i would say egregious to the british military

00:40:35.740 that you literally i think are out of ammo in a lot of different areas with the bbc putting that up

00:40:41.540 how can any politician in england continue to press on this when there's no light at the end of the

00:40:46.320 tunnel that's you know that's a very good question and i think it's in that church in himself uh way

00:40:54.480 uh wrestled with and and weighed throughout the second world war but of course that was very much

00:41:00.540 different um for great britain because we did have it was by the time we entered the war it was

00:41:06.960 um imminently an existential you know when we came in when when the germans invaded poland uh we came

00:41:14.460 in because we felt that we'd under we'd underwritten poland's security um and that was considered at

00:41:20.940 that time certainly by churchill to be the line because the uk would sooner or later this point

00:41:27.400 the uk sooner or later would would have to enter this war to fight for itself due to an eventual german

00:41:32.880 attack so the whole shtick of winston churchill was to persuade the british people that that the

00:41:40.220 reality was as he saw it that this was an existential fight for great britain um fighting fighting the

00:41:47.140 germans hence that you know i have nothing to offer but blood toil tears and sweat and that was affected

00:41:52.700 because britons listened to his word and they they felt themselves that yes this is this is existential

00:41:59.640 for the uk because germany will now whether churchill was right on that historians have never

00:42:04.820 really uh been unanimous on that some some um historians departing from the flock have said

00:42:12.380 actually germany wouldn't have attacked but put that to the aside churchill was effective because he

00:42:18.520 was able to convince great britain that they that that was the second world war was existential for

00:42:24.360 for great britain and the empire that we're not in that situation now whatever despite whatever

00:42:31.040 president zelensky says about he's he's on the front line here because he's he's fighting uh the

00:42:36.580 against russians on on the eastern frontier of europe because if he doesn't they're going the russians 0.79

00:42:41.940 are going to roll through into the rest of continental europe well look nobody believes this um i can

00:42:48.320 understand why he's saying it from his perspective you know it's a smart move it's a smart thing to say

00:42:53.920 but it's not going to have the resonance that what that churchill had uh 70 years ago because it

00:43:00.000 doesn't strike most people as being true and it doesn't strike british taxpayers as being true and

00:43:06.680 it doesn't strike american taxpayers as being true either that's the fundamental difference between then

00:43:12.640 and now um we don't have an existential interest in this war you said that steve i think within 24 hours

00:43:19.940 um of of um of of of of the war but when when uh president biden's rolled up and said look we're

00:43:29.320 going to support ukraine here because it's a fight for democracy he said look let let let let the president

00:43:34.700 come to congress and explain to unified joint congress exactly what america's interests are in ukraine

00:43:43.700 and you said this basically every day for three minutes um and then you gave up because you know

00:43:50.060 there's there's because it wasn't going to happen but but that's the point that's the difference between

00:43:54.080 then and now we don't have an existential interest in this taxpayers know it and therefore they're going

00:44:01.180 to start um making themselves uh make that dissatisfaction known ever more clearly and that actually

00:44:07.560 is oh i did want to say uh to respond to what you said just before the break about the difference

00:44:13.700 in strategies because actually it has a part to play here um in essence in essence the fundamental

00:44:21.800 difference between um the the nato way of looking at this war and the ukrainian way of looking at this

00:44:28.700 war is that ukraine has been um this is a blinder by putin ukraine has been pulled into fighting

00:44:35.260 the same sort of war of attrition that russia wants them to fight russia's interest in this

00:44:41.120 strategy has always been since it realized after like after the first 10 days that nato was actually

00:44:48.140 going to get involved in this and it wasn't going to be just a simple case of of steamrolling in

00:44:53.820 to kiev um russia then had a choice it was either to retreat or to stay in and play the long game and

00:45:00.100 wait for precisely precisely these dynamics that you were just um describing to come into play so

00:45:06.160 russia has been playing really for about day 10 onwards day 40 onwards a war of attrition to

00:45:12.580 hot to bind ukraine down uh on multiple fronts internally and and have an attrition versus attrition

00:45:21.040 um that i think is what nato didn't want ukraine to to fall into one of the reasons is of course is

00:45:28.840 that zelinski as i mentioned last time on the show gave an interview um last week where he said this

00:45:34.820 is going to be a war of attrition for 10 years um and putin won't even be alive at the end of it um

00:45:41.760 well it's simply you know is he is that just rhetoric from his part or does he actually is that actually

00:45:49.220 what is his intelligence and his military advisors are saying to him because if it is it's fundamentally

00:45:54.940 uh faithfully uh a miscalculation on zelinski's part because the west isn't in for a war of attrition

00:46:01.400 this is what you were just saying and this is i'm not sure he's i'm this is what i said earlier before

00:46:07.160 the break i'm not so sure his own country is i'm not so sure remember he's banned all opposition

00:46:12.880 i mean even in world war ii there was there was opposition to different tactics that were going on

00:46:18.260 during the war uh in investigations of pearl harbor president lincoln during our civil war

00:46:23.280 had uh had a large uh you know dissension inside of congress some that thought they were fighting to

00:46:29.680 you know the the still associated the democrats that thought he was fighting too hard others that

00:46:34.500 thought he wasn't taking a torch to the enemy uh zelinski is basically banned all opposition but even

00:46:40.960 in that i think you're getting a feel that they're not getting the volunteers

00:46:44.160 workers and they need and here you can't blame the ukrainian people so many of the best and the

00:46:49.220 brightest so many of the most courageous those with the most uh the greatest features in front of

00:46:54.780 them those with the most valor have already been destroyed in this charnel house that's been the

00:47:01.700 ukraine war and for him to speak a war of attrition is insanity he can't afford to fight a war of attrition

00:47:07.180 with the russians the russian army the same russian army that and it's obviously not uh it's

00:47:14.140 not at anywhere near the combat capability that the russian army had to defeat at the wehrmacht

00:47:19.520 but the russians know how to fight uh and they're not particularly uh sensitive to how many casualties

00:47:26.080 they take that's what's happening ben you've got the daily telegraph piece i do want to get to

00:47:31.320 we got about two minutes here can you walk us quickly through that before we punch

00:47:35.060 yeah absolutely this is um though i did have a good comeback to what you were just saying i'll say

00:47:40.360 i'll roll it over to the next to the next show this is the the headline here um memphis if you'd

00:47:46.280 be so kind fourth and final article the state of ukraine's count offensive i'm just gonna

00:47:52.680 roll right down to the bottom of the article because that's where the buried leads are

00:47:57.800 and this is basically saying and i quote there is a very real possibility we may see no significant

00:48:05.400 shift this year in the front lines from where they are today it then mentions the dynamic that the

00:48:12.440 u.s elections are going to to play um both that the ukraine will influence the u.s direction the u.s

00:48:18.600 elections and then the the result of the u.s elections will will come back and affect um ukraine

00:48:25.080 and i will conclude with with this excerpt uh it will not be long uh before the issue of support for

00:48:30.840 ukraine becomes an even more fever fever topic in u.s politics than it already is if the conflict

00:48:38.120 freezes roughly along the lines as they are today there will not be many more months before mr

00:48:44.520 zelensky may have to change tactics politically too and i think that hoovers up uh everything that

00:48:50.920 you were saying not only with western dissatisfaction but also domestic ukrainian domestic dissatisfaction

00:48:57.080 for for maga this is gonna be big this is gonna be one of the biggest issues that come back in

00:49:01.720 september about these spending bills going on they want a ukraine supplemental we're saying hey the

00:49:06.440 defense budget ought to be cut pretty dramatically ben where do people go get all your analysis great

00:49:11.400 job thank you thank you so much steve getta uh simply tap in my surname harnwell at harnwell um

00:49:19.000 and as i said when uh when i posted this video up on getta i'm going to put in uh in in the in

00:49:24.920 the descriptions follow the link to rumble because there's slightly more space on rumble i'll put in

00:49:29.880 all the links of all the articles that that i've gone through with steve um on the show today uh there

00:49:36.120 on uh on number thank you steve god bless sir okay thank you uh we'll be back at 10 o'clock live uh i want

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Bannon's War Room - August 20, 2023

WarRoom Battleground EP 349： Ukraine Fails In Counter Offense

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