WarRoom Battleground EP 357： Destruction In Maui Worse Than Middle East; Ukrainians Refusing To Fight
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JASON JONES joins us from his home in Hawaii to discuss the devastating earthquake and tsunami that struck the Hawaiian Islands on the morning of December 26th, 2019. He shares his story of how he and his family are among the thousands of people still missing in the wake of the massive earthquake that hit the island of Maui, Hawaii.
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this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the authoritarians
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get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just like in georgia
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it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations
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this is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the fight
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all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your host
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stephen k bannon 2023 i want to thank you coming back for the second hour we've been obviously
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packed all day um and this hour is absolutely jammed so strap in you know jason jones the
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audience is very familiar with jason we normally are talking to jason in places like afghanistan or
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iraq um or you know the the christians being persecuted in in in the deserts of the middle
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east or in the texas border or in central america south america but jason joins us now from his home
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in in hawaii and um jason you you did you ever think that you'd have a situation that on the on
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paradise and beautiful hawaiian islands you'd have to put your shoulder to the wheel here
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to make sure that you could uh you would assist uh your fellow hawaiian islanders in this tremendous
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tragedy is taking place in maui no steve it's been the most surreal and heartbreaking experience
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of my life you know in the past six months um my organization the vulnerable people project we've
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been rescuing christians out of khartoum and sudan um i was in eastern ukraine um i was in the middle
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east you know my organization was founded to serve the most vulnerable people in the world when the
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world has abandoned them or hasn't shown up and when i was flying home um to assist my family and
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friends who now had become the most vulnerable people in the world and uh it was really an
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unbelievable and heartbreaking experience and i can tell you as i walked through lahaina and as we
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slowly drove through lahaina and i looked at the wreckage it was worse than anything i had ever seen
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in my life it reminded me steve of when i was with the peshmerga as they were liberating towns
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and you could still smell the burning flesh of the christians and yezidis that isis had killed and
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left in buildings that were booby trapped and in rubble um but the reality is the damage in lahaina was
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worse smell was the same but the damage was worse and you know my children are pacific they're half
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they're what we call hapahaulis then um they're all these missing children that look like me they look
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like my children you know because my children are hapahaulis i'm a hauli and they're pacific islander
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and filipino and chinese so they're mixed um so that it's it's seeing families that look like my
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families my friends my college roommate um who are directly impacted by this and to see the way the
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government has dissembled from the mayor to the disaster management director who has now resigned
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to the president of the united states who couldn't even find one word he couldn't even stop see what's
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unbelievable is when biden was asked to respond to maui you and i work with politicians you know
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for 30 years i've worked on political campaigns and there's a technique called blocking and bridging
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where whatever you're asked you answer the question you would have wanted to you want to answer and
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if any sensible consultant to joe biden would have said whatever question you're asked first you're
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going to make it about maui you're going to say hold that thought i want to talk to the people of
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maui our thoughts and our prayers are with you and the federal government in partnership with
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ngos and your state and local and county governments will do everything we can to serve you that's what
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a president would have said who was thoughtful that's what a president would have said if he had
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advisors that were thoughtful to the people of maui and um so it's really unbelievable
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but in this deep in this deep but in this deeper in this deeper than than the biden regime because
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something here's what i understand you hear is there 1300 people still missing a thousand i mean
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we're now into the second week of this thing and we can't get the arms around anything really about
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the origins of this fire you have a lot of speculation might have been power lines and
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you and i have talked about this wall street journal story that i guess the the hawaiian power
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companies and talks with a with a private equity firm maybe going private or or or having the
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largest part of it steve the largest owner i didn't mean to interrupt you i'm sorry but
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the largest owner of hawaiian electric is black rock
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does not surprise me do you think there's any truth to this rumor that that that these land
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speculators are taking advantage of this of this dire situation to buy it from local residents to buy
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land inexpensively from people that's not a rumor i've talked to people who have dozen calls in a
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day their family members are missing their town is in rubble and they're being peppered by vultures
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this is not uh a speculation this is a fact it is not speculation that that that children were home
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alone it is not speculation there are a thousand people missing steve uh and an average year around
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1100 people die in maui county in a given year of all causes we're looking at more people dying in
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a single day or approximately the same amount of people who die in a year in maui county died in a
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single day and we're going to find out and this is not speculation i i hate to even say it out loud
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but it's going to be a disproportionate number of these are going to be young children and this is
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really heartbreaking this was completely preventable the arrogance of our government is is unbelievable
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can you imagine that we have by and this is not global warming wildfires have been down uh for 20
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years consistently for the past 20 years we're seeing less and less wildfires in the united states
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dramatically less about one-third less i believe and so to say that this is global warming no this is a
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radical anti-human ideology that punishes the poor you drive your electric car and that punishes the
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poor in africa these young children who are working to the bone like slaves to get those rare earth
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elements that you need in your electric car battery what you know why weren't the electric wires buried
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why weren't the the wires buried you know steve you know when you know you're in a community that's
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that the government responds to their interests is when the power lines are underground when you
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drive through a community and the power lines are above ground you know oh then the city doesn't
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care about these people the city is not responsive to the needs of these people and the historic lahaina
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town should have been the first community in all of oahu that hawaiian electric buried those lines
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the first community so why were there above ground power lines that's the first thing you need to know
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and well the reason is they said that they weren't going to be investing money in old energy that they
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wanted to take all of their resources and pour it into quote-unquote new energy green energy so this is
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we look we have a governor who's addled by the ideology of environmentalism we have a senator
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brian shots the most snide cocky little man you've ever met in your life who built his political career
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on being a boy that picked up cans around his neighborhood and quickly left you know skipped
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his way into a senate seat um and he was just chuckling and the the hours after the catastrophe
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the first press release there was brian shots and he's just making weird smiles and kind of giggling and
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he looked like a child at his first funeral and i for the life of me this is who we have um governing
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the state and it's really unbelievable there there are consequences there are consequences to having
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government that is responsive to ideology and not the needs of its citizens you you've been on some
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of the worst battlefields in the world you you've spent a lot of time in iraq with the kurds in the
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middle east for the destruction of the christian churches there you've been in some tough places with
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the peshmerga you know what a battlefield looks like and particularly knows what it smells like
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are you telling me in your experience that lahana was worse than the battlefields that you've seen
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in in when you're doing your work to protect the defenseless christians throughout the middle east
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yeah and i challenge anyone look at the drone footage of the isis destruction of these these villages
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in iraq and and then look at the drone footage of lahaina there's it's it's unbelievable it is absolutely
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unbelievable it looks worse than what you would see on the borders and i was questioning myself does
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this is this because it's it's close to home is this because it's my community is this because it's my
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family and my friends and no we we drove through one part of lahaina and there was a woman walking
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through the wreckage and this is something you'll see in a war zone often there was a woman just
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walking alone barefoot talking to herself and crying we just watched her you know you see this
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you you we were we're the vulnerable people project through our hope for hawaii.com program
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we have been boating in supplies and then using jet skis as a bucket brigade to take them from the
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boats offshore to hundreds of people forming bucket brigades on the beach to get them into the trucks
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and we'll be singing and laughing and high-fiving as we're unloading these trucks and then the middle
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of it all you'll just see somebody burst into tears you'll you know they'll be laughing one minute and
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then you'll see um you know a shadow move across their face they begin to cry and then you'll you'll
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realize that for a moment they escaped they were able to escape the sorrow of losing their wife or their
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children or their brother or their mother their grandfather and through the work that they're
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doing and then all of a sudden it hits them at this at this uh bucket brigade is showing here
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off off underneath a tree the entire time we were there for hours unloading there was a little boy
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just crying and i just can't imagine why he was crying well we we know why he's lost he's lost friends
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this is really steve another nine of a nine eleven i want to put this in perspective there's a thousand
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or so missing and that's the equivalent if after nine eleven there were eight hundred thousand new
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yorkers missing and and in hawaii you know it's it's such a close-knit place it's a polynesian
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what do you mean after nine eleven there were eight hundred thousand new yorkers missing it would
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be the equivalent if you look at the population size oh oh equivalent yes yes yes i i get but let
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me ask you this is the question what what eight hundred equivalent perfect so that's the the point
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with something this big a scale the federal government's already announced they're not going
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to do an investigation you there's no investigation looks like really going on formally at least you can
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see from the outside because of information lockdown there's still this discussion of and
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you've been in war zones did a did a wildfire alone cause this i mean it seems so unbelievable that this
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was simply a wildfire when you look at this it looks like the fire bombing of tokyo or dresden after
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the uh eighth air force hit it in world war ii it just it's it's it's unbelievable the footage
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that you see they still we still don't know are there eleven thirteen hundred people missing eleven
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hundred how many are children it looks like they're slow walking all the information because
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they don't want they don't want any accountability and they don't want to really get to the bottom
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of it so what what are the citizens going to start demanding out there because this has to be
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citizen driven we understand people are in shock but you're not going to get to the bottom of this
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to the citizens start demanding answers oh they're demanding answers and they are slow walking this
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because the american people have a heart for hawaii and if they understood the magnitude of this
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catastrophe um the the nation would be roaring i have you know there were tourists arriving in the
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first couple of days who didn't even know that there anything had happened because the media was
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reporting it as a brush fire and um i will say this steve a lot of my friends are native hawaiians
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one of my best friends is a leader of the uh you know of a movement uh for sovereignty for hawaiian
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sovereignty and i think a lot of native hawaiians are asking themselves this question right now
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what benefit do we have of being a part of the united states what benefit do we have
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the kingdom was illegally overthrown um we're being treated so disrespectfully
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you have you know a black rock owned electric company uh careless uh at the very least they were
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reckless and careless and it resulted and the wall street journal is reporting that hawaiian electric
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is already in in in meetings to reorganize to avoid having to i guess pay the liability that they
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owe yeah they're going to try to they're going to try to they're going to try to hide in bankruptcy
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jason we got to bounce where do people i know you've got your group now working directly to try to
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alleviate this where do people go first on social media to find all your reporting and number two where
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do they go if people want to assist on instagram at vulnerable people project you can find all of
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our work across the world and here in hawaii our hawaii website is hope for hawaii.com
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anyone who donates to our campaign we're providing food shelter and i've committed to paying for the
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funerals of families that can't afford the funerals and anyone who donates steve can i share with
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they get a hope for hawaii hat with a patch this every country we work in steve we create a patch so
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we have patches for nigeria malawi iraq syria afghanistan i never in a million years thought we
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would have to have this this patch of my own home and it really breaks my heart but that's hope hope
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for hawaii.com and um and i'll be going back i'm in oahu now for meetings and i'll be heading back
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to maui tomorrow jason we'll catch up with you tomorrow from maui thank you very much for joining
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us appreciate it appreciate all the work you're doing thank you steve thank you when jason says
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it's worse than what he was at the front line with the peshmerga you understand the level of this and
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of course larry fink i think they are i'm not saying they're going to do it i think they are looking at
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alternatives and maybe even going to bankruptcy as a protection from the massive lawsuits here anyway
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that we're also going to follow that in detail jeff clark um you did such an amazing job on east
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palestine which we've only scratched the surface on but i had a number of people and people
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following along at home jeff was president trump's i mean you see him in the paper for all these other
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topics he actually was over at uh the justice department part of it was about monitoring the epa
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although you actually got promoted by bill barr at one time you were running both the civil
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you were running the entire civil division is that correct that's correct that was the uh
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additional assignment i got in september of 2020 after being senate confirmed to run the environment
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division which i was running up until the end in early 2021 steve okay so people pro publica which is
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kind of a left-wing investigative thing but they do some pretty good investigative work they're they're
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left-wing and no fans of uh the mega movement but they've got this piece that was all over last
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week epa approved a fuel ingredient even though it could cause cancer and virtually every person
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exposed over a lifetime and then you read the study your your head blows up what's going on here
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i mean is this it probably normally doesn't hype their things like i said they're they're a left-wing
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group so they normally go after people on the right but what what is this why why would why would epa who
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i thought were like the super environmentalist the uber environmentalist that this is what they're in
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the business of shutting down why would they approve this sir and what is the real danger here
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well steve first let me say about pro publica that look they're the outfit that's been on justice
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thomas's case and on trying to change the composition or get you know uh supreme court
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justices uh besmattered and and besmirched so that they can try to get them uh off the court but you
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know every once in a while even a blind nut finds a squirrel and this is definitely a big nut uh so
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we're talking about chevron they have developed 18 different recycled uh consumer plastics or other
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kinds of plastics that they want to turn into a major component of boat fuel in pascagoula mississippi
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and that uh let's just pause there and recognize i don't know if you're if cameron has uh the graphic
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but uh the nih actually cautions against burning plastics just as a general matter because it can
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cause all kinds of reproductive damage damage to the endocrine system because it releases uh you know
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metallates and and uh microplastics and all sorts of other nasty things and and i think everyone
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probably has an experience of having burned plastic you know for some reason around the house or
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inadvertently or something it gives off a really terrible smell which is kind of an indicator of the
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fact that it's a serious health risk so they're taking 18 waste streams of plastic and they're turning
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it into boat fuel and if you were a lifelong boat uh man and you were using this fuel on a daily basis
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it is a certainty that you would get cancer the risk that propublica calculated from the available
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data from epa is that the risk is 1.3 to 1 which means you'd get cancer 1.3 times over your one lifetime
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right and if you're a casual boater right then the risks go down proportionately but uh they calculated
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that these risks are so enormous they're so out of uh the orders of magnitude that epa normally deals
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with there are a million times what epa normally proposes and they're more deadly than uh they're
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six times more deadly than being a lifetime smoker in terms of your risk of getting cancer so it's
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really uh amazing that epa would approve this stuff but but but but hang on but hang on hang on it's so
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that's what the thing blew me away when i looked at the math i thought as a i thought we were in the
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recycling business i thought it was a good thing to try to take these plastics so they don't end up in the
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ocean right i thought we had a whole effort to kind of recycle these so is the original intention
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correct or appropriate and this is just they got off track here and and getting off track how the epa
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not i mean how did this happen when like you said most of the epa are nazis or environmental nazis
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how could they let something that has these kind of statistics and and you know and make people
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vulnerable to this stuff how do they let that go so steve look this is similar at some level at a
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high level of generality to what you covered with jason jones about what's going on in in hawaii in
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that uh you know he was talking about ideology here right what i would say the moral of this story is
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that uh in far environmental fads at this point trump environmental realities so what is the fad they
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like these fuels because uh they're promoting them for climate change purposes so it seems like that was
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used uh politically inside epa to override the risk analysis and you know epa purportedly made an error
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steve in the in the uh technical paper they say that uh you know there were stack gas uh risks well no the
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risks were really from burning the boat fuel in terms of what comes out the tailpipe of the boat uh or off
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of the engine through some other means and there's an epa scientist quoted in the uh article by pro
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publica and what she says is like look i was at the epa for 30 years i've never seen epa make a mistake
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like this where they say something is a stack gas and she said basically i'm sure as hell anything i
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worked on when i was at the epa if we said something was a stack gas it was a stack gas and we didn't call
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things that weren't stack gases stack gases so you know i this reminds me of a category mix up for
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one of the first cases i worked on in private practice after i finished law school and my clerkship
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was for du pont and there was a case you know a birth defect case that was brought and the original
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claim was that there was a woman who was exposed by inhaling uh the relevant pesticide but when she figured
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out that her expert witness had made a uh calculation that was off by a factor of 10 she switched to saying
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that there was dermal inhalation so i've read these kinds of epa studies before steve and poured over
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them in fact for past litigation and then for uh administrative law litigation as well i mean you know
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epa they they sometimes will you know uh kind of stretch things and they'll spin it and they'll apply
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lots of cautionary factors but i've never seen a situation where they've made an error of this magnitude
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it is just inexplicable but but but but but it's it's like out in in hawaii where we can't get
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basic answers and now you have maybe 1300 people maybe a majority of children we don't know because
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people aren't putting the information can you with your understanding of epa and even we saw the
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unprofessionalism in the east palestine situation but that was in procedures and process
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but in studies and analytics which they pride themselves they're among the best in the world
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do you buy that this could have happened as a mistake or do you think this was ideology
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driving the climate change agenda said well look we got to get this in here
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because these are climate uh these are climate uh appropriate fuels maybe not for humans but for
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the climate sir right well i think the focus for epa and and their approach in the past has always been
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to prioritize human health uh and then animal health and then you know the the health of the
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environment more generally so i don't buy that this is just some kind of mistake i mean a stack gas means
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you're producing this at the relevant facility right this chevron facility in pasagula that would be a
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calculation about what comes out of their facility but the danger is what comes out of the boat fuel
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once it's manufactured from the facility shipped to the boaters and they put it in their engines and
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they burn it that's really where the risk is you can't possibly make that mistake because you know
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you woke up a little bit late on a monday morning when you were finalizing the study i mean this would
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go through uh you know at least 10 and maybe even like two dozen scientists at epa and then they would
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also talk to some other folks and see what they thought before they finalized the paper and it's
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a 203 page risk uh assessment steve so you know i think they've been caught with their pants down
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the environmental groups even are up in arms about this they put out a proposed rule and in the proposed
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rule they say that what they're they're going to do is you know if you actually propose to uh to make
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any of this stuff you know you'd have to come to them and get sort of further approval and they'd
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probably require uh further study but you know that that still doesn't uh get past the fact that
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if no one had caught that these errors right you would be producing a boat fuel and going out and
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burning it maybe as you're you know tooling around even doing some weekend fishing or something in the
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gulf and breathing in deadly chemicals that can cause cancer or destroy your reproductive system it's
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it's uh it's unfathomable steve now what what's the status right now i mean because i over the
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weekend for people you know i know a lot of people coming from a a navy town where i was born and
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having family down in narfolk in ocean view a lot of people that spend a lot of time on the water
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this thing the way it was written kind of freaked people out is this actually out there today are our
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boat our watermen actually breathing this in and if not is it being stopped in place i mean what can
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you give us a status report to the best of your knowledge i i to my understanding i don't think that
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it's actually out there uh but you know it was going to be out there unless uh some whistles were
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blown so they've been blown the environmental groups are upset a proposed rule was put out in
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june like i said to try to put additional uh sort of mother may eyes and and study controls on this
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before it comes out but certainly if you are being marketed a new form of fuel from chevron
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uh that uh you know you see the word plastic anywhere near uh you should not get that fuel
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you should be very cautious you should just try to be using traditional fuels uh which they don't
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want us using steve because of all this climate change nonsense and uh you know i think that that
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probably chevron is not proceeding here which is why upa thinks the rule could actually uh do some good
00:25:57.180
in terms of coming to them to ask for further permissions because you know with these stories
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out there yeah this is a plaintiff lawyer's dream right if they start manufacturing this and then
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somebody gets cancer like the lawsuits are going to explode and and chevron's not going to have an
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okay particularly with the the 1.3 times if you have one life 1.3 times you'll get it uh jeff just
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so jeff just a couple quick questions for i know you got to bounce um shouldn't chevron i mean this
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thing gets reviewed by dozens of guys inside of epa before it comes out but i'm sure it gets circulated
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to the company shouldn't someone like chevron even said hey oh by the way uh you have a slight
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miscalculation like like you know 10 orders of magnitude shouldn't they have shouldn't they have
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brought it up i mean the the dangers are so severe when you read this report of how our watermen and
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people that spend time on the water boatmen could get this type of cancer like over 100 of the time
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it's so egregious what could have happened shouldn't the company or some some sciences working for them
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everything sir yeah i mean you know it boils down to the idea if i only had but two lives to live i could
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get cancer 1.3 times uh from this new boat fuel so you would think someone at chevron would have
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found it because at least uh when i was doing some things in this area for some chemical companies
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certainly uh those their scientists had seen earlier drafts and commented on it etc i think that look
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anyone who is a boatman or uh is in some kind of uh group of fishermen or the like they might want to
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uh the epa here to try to get any interactions with chevron about this so they can see what chevron
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was saying about it uh and that might just be good to do now to get the documents maybe even in
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preparation for lawsuits if this ever comes out steve and you would think chevron would say hey there's
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going to be a million of lawsuits filed here this could take us down right we got to get on top of
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this last thing because it seems to me quite fishy when you have as many experts as you got an epa on
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the scientific analytics side this thing kind of got through uh i just know how government reviews
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are and i'm not buying it are there other areas we should be concerned about where maybe some of
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these radical uh climate people are trying to do things that not just are edge work but go over the
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edge of maybe harming human beings to to protect gaia mother earth i i think steve that we have to be
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concerned in all areas and that's because of the uh dominant role of this out of control uh super
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control and super uh you know international control in this climate change area right it's already
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corrupted science in many ways because much like it you know we know about dr fauci's research
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corruption and the like right if you control vast federal sums of money to do research and the like
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it can be corrupted by ideology i think something similar is going on inside epa because the press
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from the biden administration is that you know you must produce on climate change we must have
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a new green economy and that green economy obviously involves things like these new boat fuels from
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manufacture remanufactured recycled materials and so you know i think we're gonna have to be vigilant
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for these things because the temptation of anybody to please their master inside a government agency and
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keep their jobs and keep their pensions and so on you know will be to give them what they want and
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right now what they want is approval of any kind of renewal uh bull any kind of uh you know new uh feed
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stream for uh some kind of fuel they can claim has lower carbon emissions so they can claim it's better
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for the environment even if it's actually worse for human health which is where the surprise the
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the priority should lie uh you know steve you know sadly uh there's the question right who watches the
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watchers at this point i think it's the american people who have to be the watchers of their government
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i don't think the government's looking out for the people who watches the watchmen jeff clark how do we
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get to your you know brother clark your hits on here are amazing but sometimes you make the news
00:36:14.760
outside of the war room how do people follow you well i'm at jeff clark us on uh twitter and getter and
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at real jeff clark on truth social steve uh and uh also uh you can find our work at the center for
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renewing america and i know russ was on earlier today and had a great discussion with you and and
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look you know there might be some filings coming out today so watch the news about that on my other
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front we will love jeff clark the 30 front war personally fighting the 30 front war clark thank you
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so much you're a good man thanks a lot steve um cold open for uh ben harnwell who's on point on this
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debacle and this really this tragedy in ukraine let's go and play the cold open bring ben in from
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room point one would be war is unpredictable um i think in the intelligence is largely accurate in
00:37:10.860
describing what you were told let's remember just like in sports um things can change very quickly
00:37:18.320
in in the flash of an eye uh last night i watched a tennis match finals of the lead-up tournament to the
00:37:25.320
u.s open spaniard al careth playing against uh djokovic each of them held uh match point several times
00:37:34.460
through the match until djokovic finally prevailed war is unpredictable um point two i wouldn't count
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out entirely a ukrainian breakthrough they still haven't put the mass of armor to work as effectively
00:37:51.280
as we would hope but bottom line joe unfortunately this one looks on land as though it's settling down
00:37:58.540
i'll close with this um look to the sea you know the admiral's going to say that uh but look at
00:38:05.340
what's happening using sea drones sinking russian warships at sea um there's a lot of battle space
00:38:13.500
that you can go around the land warfare and then finally as these f-16s come online over the next six
00:38:21.780
months let's hope uh that in the air we'll see a change on land you can bet on the static in the air
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and at sea i think we've got some significant changes ahead all right retired four-star navy
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admiral james tovrida the thing that the ukrainians are doing right now is they are expending intellectual
00:38:45.440
firepower and they're spending expending firepower on on objectives that are not directly attributing
00:38:53.380
or at least contributing to the success of trying to isolate russian forces and then as a result of
00:39:00.760
that isolation you then must reduce those forces when you go after targets in crimea they've also
00:39:06.660
taken shots into moscow a couple weeks ago those are distractions what needs to take place is all of
00:39:13.940
those weapon systems all of that planning all of the direction that the ukrainians need to take right
00:39:19.420
now needs to be on one or two very specific objectives so that they can achieve some immediate
00:39:25.460
tactical success and then exploit that success when you start throwing firepower in the direction of
00:39:31.620
moscow and then deep into crimea you're not going to do this is an incredible tough task on the part of
00:39:36.840
the ukrainians that's why frankly when you look at the strikes in crimea you get the sense that
00:39:42.580
they are trying to throw some haymakers you know that wild left punch that's not going to achieve
00:39:48.640
success what's going to achieve success is continued tactical penetration of those defensive belts so
00:39:54.620
that you can isolate those forces once a unit is once a military unit is isolated they're incredibly
00:40:00.440
vulnerable that's what ukraine needs to try to achieve and i would say one more thing amra that what
00:40:05.660
the ukrainians are doing now looks not dissimilar to what the russians did when they invaded in
00:40:10.680
february the russians got way over over their skis multiple axes of approach and the ukrainians
00:40:17.440
very very quickly were able to stop them and then to push the russians back i hate to say it but it
00:40:24.640
looks like the ukrainians might have failed to learn that lesson
00:40:27.400
the ukrainians might have failed to learn the lesson i thought the great masters the teachers
00:40:33.620
of the lessons were the united states military this is you saw right there staff read us
00:40:39.540
kind of saying oh it's like a tennis match or breakthrough they got to keep you know penetrating
00:40:44.340
the the spider was a spider marks of the army general they got a tactical penetration
00:40:49.580
i'm bringing ben harrell ben the the ukrainian this is the kind of callousness
00:40:55.060
that the psycho psycho uh what do you call the psychopathic overlords sociopathic overlords
00:41:03.260
you know have the ukrainian people i hope are getting a belly full of this because now as their
00:41:09.140
casualties cross 200 000 according to the new york times and the washington post leaked by the
00:41:15.460
intelligence community they've essentially quit on the battlefield in the land he gets to have
00:41:21.320
read us yeah we'll see we can throw some things there's some ships over there then spider mark
00:41:25.580
saying but that's all kind of ridiculous haymakers they got to focus on going back and having the
00:41:30.340
mass casual mass mass casualty events that got them in this situation in the first is we know
00:41:38.460
washington dc and it was a big part of this morning's uh talk about the budget that's going to be
00:41:43.820
zero chance that this ukrainian supplemental passes where the ukrainian people stand on this are they
00:41:51.180
understand that the uh best and the brightest in washington dc the escalation party has led them
00:41:59.540
down as professor mersheimer said the primrose path to their own destruction sir good evening steve well
00:42:07.120
i was actually going to start off with professor mersheimer in answer to your question but his other
00:42:11.480
famous quote with regards to ukraine and that is that the west is going to fight russia down to the
00:42:16.960
last ukrainian i think that's really the insight that that has been governing this war for the last
00:42:21.800
18 months and continues to govern it and that you know you really need to be a sociopath uh whether
00:42:26.980
of course you're an overlord or not it will depend on on rank and position but you would need to be
00:42:32.200
a sociopath able to look into the cameras like that and just reasonably dismiss that real impact
00:42:37.720
this is having not just on ukrainians also on russians too i think the new york times on friday steve
00:42:44.100
we mentioned this briefly on saturday they did this article uh saying that the the total
00:42:48.360
killed maimed injured on both sides was now running at something like half a million five hundred
00:42:53.940
thousand people this is an absolutely astronomic human cost to this war and that you know you would
00:43:00.240
need to be a sociopath to to be indifferent to it regarding general spider himself i've had my
00:43:06.740
cynical beady eyes on him for about four or five years you remember that when uh president trump said he
00:43:12.400
was going to pardon eddie gallagher for his for war crimes this general spider marx came out and told
00:43:20.880
uh republican uh uh californian uh congressman uh duncan hunter he said keep your mouth shut
00:43:30.100
when an elected representative of the people came out and defended uh gallagher so i've had my eyes on
00:43:37.480
i mean this is clearly a guy i think anyone who would say publicly on television that that a sitting
00:43:42.320
congressman of of either party uh needs to keep their mouth shut and and this guy of course uh hunter he
00:43:49.100
was he was a former u.s marine himself so to say that such a person needs to keep their mouth shut
00:43:54.720
shows you the elevated level that that such a person holds of themselves and where their standing is and
00:44:01.940
i think that's another indication here of sociopathy that that someone would feel so supremely confident
00:44:07.900
to do that specifically about spider marx himself this guy has been for the last 18 months pro ukraine
00:44:14.600
he's been pro kiev he's been with the pom-poms he's a cnn military strategist now he's retired he's been
00:44:21.100
there pushing the ukrainian point of view throughout this conflict so now to come here uh and see him
00:44:27.400
basically saying that they're screwing up and they're screwing up uh because they're not following
00:44:32.360
u.s advice they're defaulting to their preferred military strategies they're overextending themselves
00:44:38.380
uh with this counter-offensive they're replicating the mistakes that he says russia made back in the
00:44:45.280
beginning of the war to see him do this it suggests something is going on steve i think that thing that
00:44:50.580
is going on is this pivot that we've been talking about here on the war room since the vilnius
00:44:55.740
conference um a month or so ago when the west uh pretty much gave president zelensky his notice
00:45:04.680
that there was going to be a retreat uh from their support and one sign and one additional sign that
00:45:11.640
steve that there is a pivot going on it's a look at where president zelensky is today right now he's in
00:45:18.060
greece saturday he was in sweden sunday he was in the netherlands uh yet today uh yesterday today he
00:45:26.100
was in denmark and as i say he's in greece he's on a european tour trying to rally support why because
00:45:32.540
he can see something is taking place and we're going to get further evidence that something is taking
00:45:38.520
place on wednesday when there is the first round of the gop presidential hopefuls you call them
00:45:45.260
keep kibla elves i rather sort of think of them as the seven dwarves without snow white but in any
00:45:50.920
case what happens on wednesday is going to give a pretty good indication what the gop's
00:45:56.320
the growing position is going to be with regards to this 24 billion dollar immediate uh funding that
00:46:04.720
the white house has asked for with um for ukraine we'll get a good indication i think of how
00:46:09.600
the the gop's policy is shaping up on wednesday you're you're first of the kibler elves most of
00:46:18.500
those you know uh chrissy just made a fool of himself he went over there and didn't know any of
00:46:23.820
these facts didn't get briefed on him is not smart enough or understands enough about the military
00:46:28.540
national career geopolitics to ask the pointed questions he came back with his pom-poms on he just
00:46:33.800
left the country but nikki haley tim scott they're all neocons i mean it's it's a simple oh we're
00:46:39.580
fighting for liberty and freedom it's much much much deeper than that and right now the ukrainian
00:46:45.060
people are paying the the penalty from the escalation party i can tell you there's a firestorm back here
00:46:50.500
of people that said absolutely not one more penny for ukraine get them to the negotiating table
00:46:54.640
but where are they before i lose you where are the ukrainian people's heads right now with this
00:46:59.800
whole situation given that it is this is all driven by these battlefield commanders saying hang
00:47:06.040
on we we heard spider marks and we heard the staff read us and all this stuff about combined arms and
00:47:11.460
we're going to penetrate these multiple levels of defense of the dug-in russians and all we got to do
00:47:16.800
is take mass casualties but we can get through there it's not working and we're just killing needlessly
00:47:22.100
killing our young men and sometimes women so we're going to stop essentially a mini mutiny of many
00:47:27.860
units that just refuse to fight anymore uh where do the ukraine you have any sense where the ukrainian
00:47:32.700
people's heads are in this absolutely i do steve and again an indication that there is a pivot going
00:47:39.300
on is the way how the press that has been giving us for the last 18 months total propaganda in support
00:47:46.220
of democracy in support of nato in support of the eu and all the rest bizarrely those last two points
00:47:52.360
because of course ukraine isn't part of either those institutions but in defense of all that the
00:47:57.900
western world is trying to defend it was absolutely essential to give ukraine maximum support there's
00:48:03.640
it's very difficult now to open a newspaper and find any article like what we would have found easily
00:48:09.260
six months ago because the tone and the tenor is changing there's another article for example that
00:48:14.980
illustrates this the the situation on the ground that lists how people are being press ganged from
00:48:21.640
nightclubs um and sent basically directly from the front line from the nightclub to the front line
00:48:29.140
there's uh there's an article in fact i might call on it now uh memphis if you'd be very kind of my
00:48:34.720
second article here from the guardian uh which has the headline bribes and hiding at home ukrainian men
00:48:40.680
trying to avoid conscription thanks very much memphis that's that's a brilliant article because it just
00:48:45.720
illustrates what is going on because these guys that you're just referring to steve they know the
00:48:51.900
way how the war is going and they don't want to be sent to a meat grinder so this article here is full
00:48:57.500
of uh anecdotes about uh how people have paid this one guy here paid five thousand dollars for the
00:49:04.120
hospital to sign off on saying that he had a serious spinal injury and he's in fact i'll just i'll just give
00:49:10.560
please go ahead ben ben we're gonna put them up i tell you what i'm gonna get let's get you back
00:49:15.320
on tomorrow because we got to bounce i want to play this uh we had billy joe shaver's classic song
00:49:20.640
today get thee behind me satan we're gonna go out with that song today i know you're a big fan of it
00:49:26.060
ben uh ben what's your social media where do people get you get you back on tomorrow brilliant steve uh
00:49:32.740
getter at harnwell war room.org and then of course the war rooms page on rumble bannon's war room
00:49:39.940
i'll be there i'll see you tomorrow steve god bless thank you brother okay the show's been on fire today
00:49:46.280
we're going to leave you on fire with brothers shaver and john anderson see you back here at 10 a.m.
00:49:53.280
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