WarRoom Battleground EP 379: The Loss Of Sovereignty And Missiles For Ukraine
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In this episode, Richard and Joe discuss the pullback of Polish weapons shipments to Ukraine, as well as the loss of Polish support for the Ukraine war effort, and the reasons why this is a bad development. They also discuss the impact of war fatigue in Poland and Ukraine.
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this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in Arizona this is just
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like in Georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is
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the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's
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your host Stephen K Bannon at the UN taking a veiled shot at Poland and other countries in eastern
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Europe for stepping back from their support uh Poland says yes they do reserve the right to resume
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those weapons shipments but for now they're pulling them back yeah you know Richard there's an election
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in Poland in a couple of weeks it's going to be a heated heated and just a critical election for
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the direction of of Poland's democracy um that said uh Zelensky could have picked a better time
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to start criticizing people in eastern Europe I know I know when we were given 40 billion dollars I
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I remember one time saying on the show you know what just saying thank you just saying thank you
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might be a good start I understand what he's going through but you look at the history you look at
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what Winston Churchill did with FDR how he constantly worked him constantly lobbied him constantly played
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him constantly it was all over him and and and and and keeping FDR in the game it meant the survival
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I will say Zelensky uh time and again insults a lot of allies that are giving him billions of dollars
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and the Poles finally said enough I think again the Poles will will come back but if you we all remember
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the beginning stages of the wars Poland literally threw open its door to millions and millions and millions
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and millions of Ukrainian refugees nobody was more open no nobody was more supportive so yeah this is a really bad
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development it's bad development the Poland will continue to transfer up all the arms from other
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places it's you're right it's about the elections coming up cheap grain coming from Ukraine Polish
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farmers unhappy with it but but Joe I think there's a larger story going on here this is there's a bit of
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war fatigue we're seeing it in Poland refugee fatigue you're seeing it in Washington we're seeing that
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the counter-offensive quote-unquote is not going to deliver liberation of territory anytime soon if ever
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there's a gap increasingly between the war aims of Ukraine and what's happening on the battlefield
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and the patience of other places stop just Memphis just do me a favor hold it right there because
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it's my head is blown up it's perfect uh it's Friday 22 September the year or 2023 in Memphis I'm
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probably ask if my crack production team here in Memphis I'm going to want to replay that one when the
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guy starts talking about warfare take think about it for a second you've had 50,000 casualties in
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Ukraine women children young men and women that have volunteered to fight and somehow times been
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Shanghai to fight but to fight for their country 50,000 dead that's not my number it's not Ben Harnwell's
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number we're gonna have Beatrice von Storch on here in a minute from the alternative for Deutschland it's not
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her number that's the number of the Pentagon of which in the New York Times of which of which uh the
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Ukrainians agree with is another 125,000 wounded 150,000 wounded and I'm not sure those numbers even
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incorporate what's happened in this uh what's happened in this uh in this counter-offensive okay I'm not
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sure it's it's in the counter-offensive count only counter-offensive and look at them right there all
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the people that goaded them into this you know I think there's some war fatigue what fatigue have you got
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sitting there with your cup of coffee and punting what fatigue do you have what fatigue please tell
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me morning Mika morning Joe this is how awful and evil these people are the the the this is this is
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this is what they are okay this is what they are they sit there like Professor Mersheimer says and
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they've let them down the primrose path as we've said on this show from the very beginning of this
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war and now that's getting tough oh you know there's war fatigue no we had the fatigue immediately
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because we told you this was going to happen you know there's some this is the knitted brow
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these are your betters these are your betters sitting there with the knitted brow you know
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there is some war fatigue in the capital there's not war fatigue in Poland and this is not about a
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political campaign that's coming up the Polish farmers don't want to be destroyed by the cheap
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Ukrainian wheat this is they're trying to put their country first also they've given tremendous
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benefits the Polish people who don't have that kind of money don't have this kind of money this is what
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being a a Catholic nation of giving and nobody gives more than the polls and in their history look what's
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happened to them they gave tremendous benefits they gave they gave a health care and education and all of it
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to the what a couple of million um refugees that went across
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we told everyone this is going to happen i would love you know i would love to have the 50 000 dead
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the 50 000 dead watch what we just saw right there and there's more to come and we'll play in a second
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ben but i got we got beatrice up here there's so much going on in europe that's internationally linked
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to here in the united states and obviously vice versa but i i need you you're you're a guy in rome that's
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done the best of of keeping your eyes on what's happening in europe i can tell you from
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a fairly ringside seat in the united states with people there on the inside and were there
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this was a catastrophically disastrous visit by zelinski he very foolishly because he doesn't have
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a lot of common sense not in a million years she have come to washington it was stupid enough for him
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to go to the united nations he should just stayed there gratitude worked on the counter offensive
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coming here it's the death now of the ukrainian support the number is going to be zero they're
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going to be huge fights and even democrats are going to peel away biden's going to peel away
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because the the tides turned everybody's now listening what we're saying and what gates and
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these other people are saying it's no more ukrainian funding mtg who's really had uh uh mccarthy's
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back she was the deciding vote on the defense budget and she said until you take the 300 million
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dollars out of the of the 880 billion dollar defense budget 330 million dollars out i don't
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even want to come to the floor that's how worked up people are in this ben give us your perspective i
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say it was catastrophic uh he nobody wanted a photo op with him um mccarthy's guys no meetings
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no big meet no no general talking even to the republican congress or people in the house
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and even people that were there with him saying it was just he's tonally deaf uh your assessment sir
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well steve good afternoon to you my first question here is wasn't there anybody in the administration
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telling zelinski on the phone don't come do not come now is not the time to come it's going to go
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it's going to be counterproductive it's going to go against you was there nobody there in washington dc
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feeding him that message and if that message was going through to him then the obvious question is
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is that he chose deliberately uh to disregard that advice and to come anyway and then therefore i would
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say here he owns the responsibility for the consequences of this because this you know we said back in july
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in vilnius at the um in the annual nato conference in lithuania we said in real time the very day that
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conference took place and there was the photo there of all the heads of states and heads of government
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and zelinski was there in one moment he was just standing there on the stage by himself that that
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spawned a thousand memes that photo in love itself but we said that very day this this program said
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this is the moment in the future we're going to look back and say this is the moment that nato
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started to pivot away from its support of ukraine and these are the follow-on consequences of that
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and i think it's absolutely clear you know just to to say to give a bit of background to what's going
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on in poland right now they're they're anyone this year their wheat imports from ukraine uh and
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poland is largely an agricultural economy still their wheat uh it imports from um from you've been
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exposed by 600 percent and you can imagine what that will do to the productive uh agricultural
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base of that economy and it's therefore only sort of natural that a government that isn't comprised of
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sociopaths that is trying to stay close to the people will respond to that that anger there that
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is latent in the polish people so when richard harr says oh you know there might be a bit of uh
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ukraine fatigue you know i i i flag up if mentis wants to produce my my first article while i'm
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talking here uh the bbc is pushing the same line it's it's you know there's a there's a bit of
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ukraine fatigue it's not ukraine fatigue in and of itself we we we indicated a year and a half ago what
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the consequences are going to be it's it's a case that there's on the 15th of october steve there's an
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election in poland and the law and justice party the present governing party the pis they're neck
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and neck uh right it it's it's going to be a close run thing um and there's a party everyone says that
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the law and justice are extreme working for it there's actually a party further to the right
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um of law and justice called yeah but that's it they're on 10 percent so for their own survival
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steve this government has to now start on into the anger in poland you know after the break i'm
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going to come back and talk about that and it's not only in poland either you ask me every other day
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you know what's going on in europe what's that what's going on in the capitals we are really starting
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to see now and i would suggest to some extent it is related to what's going on in the united states
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we are we are really starting to see a fight back now in in europe's capitals and it's really
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been breaking out in the into the public over this last week let me get i'm gonna come back
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and we're getting more in ukraine and we'll talk about this populist the populist right because now
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of course i think the ft's got to blame us we're going to be the ones to take down we're the biggest
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we're the biggest problem to climate change we're going to talk about we got dave walsh on here to
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talk about carry and all of it but i want to bring in beatrice bandstorch the deputy uh chair
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of alternative for deutschland first thing beatrice tell us how
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tell us how um hang on for one second is she ready to go
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okay uh do we have we don't have beatrice okay fine i'll go back to ben dave just hang on for one
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second um the um ben on this uh on the populist right the first question i got for beatrice is that
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how did she come how did they come out of nowhere and become the number two party i mean you're
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seeing the populist right but alternative for deutschland was marginalized you remember you
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and i spent a lot of time in europe trying to trying to build this coalition is now coming together
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but they were the ones that were most marginalized i remember i went to berlin
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they were the most marginalized as you know neo-fascist they were they were anti-immigration
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they're anti-human and now they're the second biggest party in germany
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well they got that way you asked the question how did that happen how did they come from nothing to
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being the second largest party and it's because the mainstream parties ignored the german people
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it's as simple as that they ignored them they persisted in ignoring them for long enough
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and in a certain way politics is like the free market isn't it if there's nobody there supplying
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a want in a need in the market a supplier will arise and that's exactly what's happened with the
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alternative for deutschland they started responding to an anger and disgust in the german people that
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the locked in establishment parties the christian democrats and the social democrats and refused
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even to recognize existed because you know you know these are the skinheads these are the nazis
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the uh you know we'll put a cordon sanitaire around this section of the population and we'll just
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ignore them because you know they're they're deplorables and all the rest of it but of course
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they're not they're ordinary german working people who have this romantic notion that a government
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should put their interests first regarding the interest regarding uh interests of other people
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for example the the million or so um supposedly uh asylum seekers that germany accepted in one year
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alone under angela merkel that sort of created the massive anger that was there in germany and people
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like beatrix von stork who is excellent and by the way uh her alice riddle they came in and and they've
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responded to this anger and that's what's happening all all across europe now there's an article steve
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in the economist which which has an amazing fact right and this just basically shows i think how the
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war room um and the economic nationalism that we've been spearheading here has really been uh ahead of
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the curve but here's the situation in continental europe this is and i quote the economist here um our
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calculations show that 15 of the europe's european union's 27 member states now have hard right
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parties which have support of 20 or more in opinion polls that is to say almost four fifths of the eu's
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population now living countries where the hard right commands a loyalty of at least a fifth of the
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public and that steve that is only going to grow i agree with you 100 i think the ukraine situation
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brought up ben hang on uh and dave walsh hang on we got a lot to get to i think beatrix is i think
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she's up beatrix do we have yes there you are deputy head alternative for deutschland beatrix here's the
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first question you know our audience we've put up a lot of stuff on getter and follow you closely
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but tell us in your own words because you guys have gone through some tough times how did how did
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you guys come back to be the second biggest party now in all of germany well first of all all the party
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is performing performing very good but to be honest it's just the governing who's just ruining it's just
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destroying our country and people are just fed up with this uh the biggest issue is migration and they
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don't want to stop it uh no they they are increasing the numbers of migration and people just
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realize that's impossible we can't bear any more migrants so that's the first thing uh then they
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want to put climate change first and they are just not focusing on the interests of the people
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they are now they just came up with a law which will force every private house owner to invest
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something like 100 000 euros uh to reinstall a new heating system even though there's a working one in
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the house so they are they are just not meeting the people's interest and the country basically
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stops of being a functioning first world country this is what the people have the impression and this
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is why we are number two in the whole of the federal republic of germany and we are the number one
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the economy is also i think that germany is either in a recession or leading europe into recession
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talk to us about the overall economic and how the government's managed the economy
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well they're managing the economy and driving them out of germany so we have seen something like 140
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billion euros who have been years who left germany because uh the the industry and economy
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they do not want to invest the money any longer in germany because that will definitely mean you will
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lose your money um because we are declining we are you know we are shortening the supply of of energy
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um the price is just up uh 100 again even though it has been up 70 when uh after after merkel's
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governance uh governance um so it is no longer possible to run your industry here with with reasonable
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energy prices uh there are a lot of things which are not good for for german economy and uh basically the
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government is doing the contrary of what it should do and this is why our numbers going up and up and
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up the whole time even though the whole media is is is running a huge campaign against us they call us
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all kinds of of unnice things stupid things um we are extremists and in what kind so ever but uh people
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realize that that's not true and that's the cover basically the government is extremistic in all policy
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areas what they address but it's not just the media i mean people should know uh and you and your
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husband are two of the bravest individuals i remember jason went over to visit with you jason miller who's
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now senior vice president trump spent a lot of time with you guys uh the pressure you're under not just
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from the media but the government actually steps in and treats alternative for deutschland like it's
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some sort of bandit party does it not it does and it declares even openly that they they do so we've got
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a secret service which is run by our political opponents and they're coming after us um with these
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measures so so they declare us to be you know the enemy of the constitution and um this is why you know
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they spy on our iphones and and whatsoever um but you know what people are just bored with that people
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just don't they're not so much interested in that any longer um the secret service has lost its
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credibility and people realize that something has to change and there is a majority within the i mean
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former right-wing conservative liberal parties and the the main problem uh what we can see in germany is
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that there is there could be a reasonable majority uh center right uh but the cdu the former
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metals chancellor's party and they they are trying to you know govern again uh with the greens um so as
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the conservatives who are not trying to to form a coalition or a government with us but with the
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greens or with the left and so we are heading towards a very bad situation which is fueling our our
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our numbers wider we are going up and they will go down but this is the same thing i would call
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the christian democrat just like the tory party in england and just like the republican traditional
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republican party in the united states they are they are essentially part of the they're working for
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the uniparty now against a populist a populist whether that's alternative for deutschland whether
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it's the brexiteers in the nigel farage group and thing or whether it's maga in the deplorables
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under president trump in fact i want to get to that point the economists this week i think the
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lead story they're in shock they're they're clutching their pearls because they say there's
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the rise of this populist right uh and of course leading that article uh of which the economist is
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is shocked and very nervous about is is uh alternative for deutschland and of course
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the law and justice party that's up going to have these elections in november in poland
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um talk to us about what's happening why across the continent and you're one of the leaders of
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this but you see salvini you see le pen you see a resurgence in the right a new energy a new urgency
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and now you're having people there's this report to the day that up to one third i think of people
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actually are open to vote for people on the populist right and as ben just said even in the economist
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article i think they said that 20 of adults of citizens in countries will actually end up voting
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for the populist right what what's the reality and why is the economist so shocked like this is the
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worst thing that's happened since the rise of uh of hitler and mussolini in the 1930s
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i think what we can see is just basically to make a long story short people are just fed up with this
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leftist brookist um you know anti-rational stupid policy in all areas they're just tired they see
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that it doesn't function it's against humanity it's just insane and um well basically it doesn't
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function and people are they they do not trust in what they are told any longer and they can see
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with their own eyes that the country is no longer functioning you know what i i was traveling with
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a train last week what i never done for a very long time the train system in germany basically is broken
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you cannot go any longer with a train and be sure you be there on time our system is no longer able to
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keep the trains working correctly very easy things and people realize it and so they stop listening to
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what they are told they should do and they do what they think is correct and what is correct is the
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policy which has been offered by all those right-wing populistic parties in all over europe and the ones
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in germany to address this is the afg beatrice there was a piece in uh in gateway punted this week
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you know this we had this uh global governance uh meeting at the uh at the un on the 20th we were
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uh big in the united states of putting forward how we've got to stop this how we got to stop it through
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congress uh i know you had a piece and you talked about actually the banners that might be in back of
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all this the who all this can you walk us through this piece because i gotta tell you it got a lot
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of coverage here in the united states walk us through your your piece about this who global
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governance and the billionaires in back of this what we know is that the the world health organization
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is now trying to you know come up with a policy change and they want to stop pandemics from from
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spreading so they want to take all the powers of the governments of the world to take the the right
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decisions to stop pandemics from from from growing in the world which basically means um they want to
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have the power which has been in the in the hands of the of the national governments and to take
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themselves the decision um what to be done uh to fight some kind of of pandemic and this is frightening
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because the world health organization is has not been elected by anybody there is no there's no kind
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of democratic um uh legitimation of of the world health organization um uh it's it's just a combination
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an organization set up by you know private organizations funds like like like rockefeller and and bill and
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melinda gates foundations and so forth in some countries of course um but it has not it's not in it's not a
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democracy and they want to take the decisions and they want to oblige all member states to follow their rules
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i think that's dangerous and we have to talk about it and we have to make people aware that they are at
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the very moment preparing um to taking basically the power of the parliaments of the world um to the
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general secretary of the world health organization which is uh this ethiopian you know marxistic leninistic
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uh uh put just uh the one who took they they they took the power into ethiopian by a plot
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and this guy and wants to govern uh and wants to decide what's going on in germany and other member
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states i think that's frightening this is frightening and we have to first of all start to talk about it
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and get to people's awareness that we have to very closely focus what the who is planning
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and then we have to go against it real quickly we got about a minute i want to hold you through the
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break but the christian democrats the tories in in london and a lot of the rhino republicans here
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have no problem with the loss of sovereignty why why is it party supposed to be center-right like
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the christian democrats why do they have no problem with this
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i didn't get sorry i didn't get that that question again please i tell you what why don't we wait to
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the break because i want the answer to this so the the question is uh and we got to go to break
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it seems like when you talk about these issues of sovereignty and these in these transnational
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organizations backed by billionaires like who that the christian democrats in in germany the tories
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in england and a lot of the traditional rhino right rhino republicans here have no problem with
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this it it is always kind of the populist right that sits up and says hang on our sovereignty is
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absolutely critical i tell you what we're going to go to a commercial break when we hang on we have
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beatrice van storks the deputy of alternative for deutschland that's now the number two party in
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germany and that is causing an uproar the economist this week has a huge story on the rise of the
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populist right in europe and let's say they don't the economist does not view that as a positive
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thing i've got dave walsh here is going to tell us about john kerry all of these efforts at the u.n
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all these efforts in the capital to implement exactly what they've done in germany here in the
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united states of america he's beavering away of course uh our own ben harnwell we're gonna have
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a deeper dive on this ukraine situation and how it's coming apart here the funding of in the united
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so beatrice why do the christian democrats in germany the tories in england and the reino republicans in
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united states why are they not concerned about the sovereignty of these nations with these
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transnational organizations backed by billionaires that you at the alternative for deutschland there's
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supposed to be this radical right party why why are the christian democrats not concerned about the
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sovereignty of the german people in the nation state of germany i think they're different reasons
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i think some are just stupid um i think some might make a lot of money out of it who knows
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and the third thing is that they are not so much in favor of democracy i mean we are very much in favor
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of democracy and we think it is very good to have sovereign nation states to take their own decision
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um and if you know the people do not want uh the government anymore they they can vote for another
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one uh which means they they they keep the sovereignty and um some of those so-called
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conservatives i don't know i think they're not so much in favor of this idea and they just they're
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very happy to give away sovereignty and to have others to take unpopular decisions maybe to fight
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pandemics uh like the way we have seen it with covet so i think they're different they're different
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explanations and some i think are just not reading the treaties they're just not aware of what is going
00:33:33.180
on they're just walking around and they they they they call it all a conspiracy theory what they have
00:33:40.860
not even read what they have not might not have understood i don't know i think there's several
00:33:46.580
several reasons um but i can tell you that there's one party in germany which is alternative for germany
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which is very much aware of what is going on we do read what is going what is planned by the world health organization
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we do understand what's going on we communicate it loud and clear and tell the people be aware
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we cannot have this take the take of the power of the uh who um and we address the problem and uh all
00:34:20.580
the problems we have addressed in the past migration inflation economy climate change we told the people
00:34:26.700
before what will happen if we follow the government now we're doing the same thing with the uh who um
00:34:34.740
um pandemic plans and i hope we succeed and we open the eyes of the people and we have to stop them
00:34:42.000
because we are we are trying to keep our national sovereignty and our democratic state and the way it
00:34:50.700
is uh beatrice how do people follow you what's what's your social media what's the website that people
00:34:57.340
can go and find out more because you're one of the leaders in this movement of sovereignty and
00:35:02.260
self-determination of people of citizens throughout the world i'm in our nation states where do people
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i'm on facebook on telegram on instagram i always with my name beatrix von stoch
00:35:14.180
thank you for asking thank you so much and great job in germany we're so proud of the efforts we know
00:35:22.780
you guys have been under a tremendous pressure honor to have you on thank you sir thank you so dave
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walsh i want you to come in you warned us for two years that this was happening in germany and now
00:35:36.140
you have one of the leaders of the opposition party that is growing leaps and bounds and why is it
00:35:41.140
growing dave walsh exactly what you said was going to happen that people are just not going to sit there
00:35:46.320
in an advanced industrial state and you're the first guy to say it you're saying hey steve what
00:35:51.020
they're actually doing is de-industrializing they're using their energy policy to do it but they're going
00:35:55.840
to de-industrialize give me your give me your thoughts on on on beatrix and what's actually
00:35:59.800
happening in germany right now well they announced in the second quarter negative growth of 0.2 percent
00:36:07.060
gdp they're forecasting in the third quarter zero growth uh consumption uh personal consumption
00:36:13.540
declined in the second quarter which is remarkable in germany and the basic issue is the major industrials
00:36:19.540
bear ag basf bmw siemens energy uh tisson crop all heavily dependent on energy inputs electricity
00:36:28.220
specifically to be competitive manufacturers have systematically moved and more now recently a lot
00:36:35.160
of announcements of moving programmatically to china to india in the past with south carolina north
00:36:41.000
carolina siemens energy's biggest factories in charlotte basf bmw out by spartanburg south carolina
00:36:47.080
energy cost their electricity historically six seven eight cents per kilowatt hour germany before
00:36:53.300
the crisis 45 cents now double that so these these companies that make heavy industrial products cannot
00:36:59.800
make them in germany the cost of the electricity inputs are simply too high that drives unemployment
00:37:05.140
in germany it drives gdp decline and that's what they're seeing and that's why the rise of the afd is
00:37:10.700
occurring it's it's about people and it's about the interest of people not in industrial decline such as
00:37:16.420
john carrey running around promoting on the morning joe this morning vis-a-vis his discussion about china
00:37:22.360
okay this is we don't have time to play the clip but one of the points i'm trying to make is that
00:37:29.680
germany is just x amount of years ahead of us it carries plan and this plan is so radical
00:37:37.720
and what upsets me so much on capitol hill is we are not having you having a more of an adult
00:37:43.380
conversation here on warman with you uh and with ben and with beatrice than you have up there
00:37:48.380
this plan that carrey is putting forth and that the private equity guys are talking about is it's in
00:37:54.580
the heart of the biden energy plan it's one of the reasons our economy so screwed up the plan carrey's
00:37:58.940
talking about it's actually as radical about de-industrialization as the plan in germany is it
00:38:04.180
not sir it absolutely is we laid out before the the forecast of rapid adoption of renewables in the
00:38:12.040
u.s out to 2030 will cause the building of about 700 000 megawatts of solar and wind which when you
00:38:19.500
restate that because of its part-time value part-time energy value wind about eight hours a day solar on
00:38:26.080
average about five hours a day you're really talking about roughly 200 megawatts of electricity being
00:38:32.100
200 000 megawatts being added which with the 100 000 in coal shutdowns forecast to occur brings us to
00:38:39.620
only about 4.3 percent in electricity growth over a nine-year period out to 2030 so we're and while
00:38:46.860
we're talking about ev adoption we're talking about gas to electricity conversion for heating in the
00:38:52.020
northeast midwest the the numbers don't work on this because these energy sources be it solar and wind
00:38:58.800
are and and battery storage of four hour a day technology they don't work 24 hours a day the net
00:39:05.580
electricity capacity of this stuff at an enormous cost is far far lower than conventional coal gas and
00:39:13.080
nuclear and and no one's no one's really talking about this leading to the energy shortage we have in
00:39:19.580
texas growing in miso and pjm coming to visit florida soon california for years now already massive
00:39:26.580
shortage of electrification because of over adoption of part-time resources and the shuttering of of 24
00:39:34.680
hour a day resources being nuclear coal and and now increasingly gas like i said we don't have time
00:39:41.720
to play clip but carrie is talking he's pitching like we're falling behind china because they're getting
00:39:47.460
they're becoming leaders in sustainable energy they're building more coal power plants than ever i want
00:39:53.360
to give the number bloomberg just came out yesterday and said he's going to put a half half a billion
00:39:58.180
dollars a half a billion dollars this is another guy worth 70 billion dollars he's going to put a half
00:40:03.640
a billion dollars of cash money to shut down every coal plant every coal plant and every coal mine in the
00:40:10.140
united states of america so who's right is carrie right is carrie the it's china really the leader
00:40:15.060
in in sustainable energy are they not stealing a march on us on coal production and and using cold to produce
00:40:22.680
cheap energy he misstated and conflated facts china is in its zeal to grow industrial and militarily is
00:40:30.140
growing energy resources of all types number one coal between 2021 to 2026 their plan is to add 758
00:40:40.040
gigawatts of coal assets yes about 800 gigawatts of renewables but when you restate those numbers for
00:40:45.860
their energy production value china is adding net 700 gigawatts of coal and 244 of renewables when you
00:40:53.500
restate the renewables from rating plate values down to their actual energy production so they're adding
00:40:59.480
in in a 65 year period out to 2026 2.2 times more coal last year they announced plans to build two coal
00:41:08.300
plants a week uh in 2023 they're building six out of seven coal plants in the world they're they're
00:41:15.720
radically growing their coal infrastructure today they're 60 dependent on coal which is a local
00:41:21.400
indigenous resource as they're announcing their need to be independent to be self-sustaining within
00:41:27.480
their own country they're about three percent gas fired so 63 percent fossil powered at this time
00:41:33.200
only about 12 percent classic renewable solar and wind about 13 percent hydro and but what they're
00:41:40.200
growing also that the west is not doing is a nuclear base 57 nuclear reactors being built in the world
00:41:46.700
21 of those in china 37 of them and of those reactors by the way 44 of the 57 are being built in bricks
00:41:55.140
nations or in the global south 44 of 57 reactors in the world the united states and western europe are
00:42:02.520
building exactly two two just to show you that because they're buying more it's ridiculous they
00:42:10.240
understand what it takes for economic growth and this is this whole thing they want this whole burden
00:42:14.080
of this cult of climate change on the american people hang on for one second day i want to bring in
00:42:17.560
ben ben you've been in the european parliament but when you see and this this is a question for you
00:42:22.860
these center-right christian democrats tories these radical energy policies the climate cult and also
00:42:30.720
kind of ceding their our sovereignty their sovereignty to things like the who i mean this was the whole
00:42:36.400
brexit fight was about to get england out of the eu why is it that traditionally conservative uh
00:42:43.760
governments and conservative governmental apparatuses are a huge part of the problem now and that's why
00:42:50.720
you're seeing the growth of the populist right sir um well i divide that question into two quick
00:42:59.100
parts the first part is why is environmentalism a priority for the internationalist institutions and
00:43:04.620
then i'd say why is it affecting the central right political parties to answer the first part of that
00:43:09.960
is because the environment is one of those things which we're all uh nationalists here on this show
00:43:16.260
but the environment to to the extent that that the environment legitimately can be a concern and i'm not
00:43:23.280
talking about climate change or anything like that um but the environment is something which requires a
00:43:29.200
supranational uh coordination collaboration and the international institutions buy into that and use
00:43:36.880
that like shoehorn to justify basically taking over all areas of the economy which is what they're now
00:43:43.320
doing under the guise of man-made climate change why the central right political parties are buying into
00:43:49.140
that is is really due to the collapse i think of the concept of freedom and liberty after
00:43:55.240
ironically enough the fall of the berlin war which concentrated people's minds in the west exactly
00:44:01.020
what they were fighting against which is sort of state-run socialism communism once that wall fell it's
00:44:07.200
not that the world learned the lesson that that state management of the economy fails it's that we uh in the
00:44:13.100
so-called free countries we lost the the the focus on why we believe in liberty and personal
00:44:19.280
responsibility so much and losing that focus which is ironically something that the communists
00:44:25.420
with within our societies have never done they never lost their sense of focus they carried on
00:44:30.000
just as if the whole of the fall of the berlin war passed them by and therefore the centre-right
00:44:35.240
political parties ever you know what kind of politician knowing as we do that our politicians
00:44:41.520
associate us what politician will decline the opportunity should they lose their seat at the
00:44:48.020
national level to then to be bumped upstairs and then sort of factors more in terms of salaries and
00:44:53.540
perks that are available at the supranational level at the european parliament for example what what what
00:44:59.740
what you know what what kind of person would do that well you know you really need someone who's
00:45:04.960
like like Nigel Farage who when he was in the european parliament agitated to lose his own job
00:45:10.780
uh via britain's exit from that from the from the european um from the european union we don't elect
00:45:19.140
politicians Nigel Farage Beatrix von Storff there are exceptions yeah we have to accept some of all
00:45:25.520
responsibility of ourselves that we're electing politicians even um you know in the centre-right
00:45:32.700
even in economic nationalist right we are electing representatives and we're still doing it
00:45:37.720
who you know who aren't really part of our movement and want to champion our causes and the moment they
00:45:43.180
get to the capitalism you know they don't have to sell out because they were never part of the deal
00:45:47.120
ben uh real quickly i i'm gonna get you back on hopefully tomorrow about ukraine if not on on
00:45:55.480
monday but is part of this the loss of faith in in the in western europe the judeo-christian west that
00:46:02.320
now because this the moves on this uh climate change are so radical and de-industrializing
00:46:09.080
advanced nations is this cult really replaced to the elites uh the spirit of what the catholic faith
00:46:16.720
and the christian faith provided for millennia yeah i i'd say so that's pretty much true you know
00:46:24.260
you mentioned before that i worked in the european parliament i did about sort of 15 10 15 years
00:46:29.580
or so ago and i remember there watching how the the former red parties the communist parties the same
00:46:36.500
politicians who had been there agitating sort of for communism in in the in the 80s um they just
00:46:45.200
switched from red to green and i remember thinking you know and they just carried on shamelessly they
00:46:51.340
just changed their political affiliation they invented this new environmentalism concept and i remember
00:46:57.240
thinking to myself 15 years ago this you know people aren't this dumb then they're never going
00:47:02.100
to be able to get away with this uh this transformation obviously that they've just switched
00:47:07.180
their their shtick um for for political expediency but people are too astute sadly that's not true
00:47:14.900
um and what what started off as an opportunity to get failed politicians fighting a failed ideology to
00:47:22.840
keep them in the game it has now become it has grown very much to become steve a false synthetic uh
00:47:29.560
pseudo religion that's absolutely true and of course yeah human nature being what it is seeing as we're
00:47:35.900
created by god um to love and adore and to worship god jesus christ if you don't do that if we don't
00:47:42.100
have jesus christ at the center of your life if you don't even have one of the other religions uh that are
00:47:47.500
there uh throughout human history that you will believe something because we've been made by god to
00:47:52.760
respond to an existential call and if you don't take one of the standard uh explanations that are that are
00:48:00.140
there you will believe anything and that ought to be the that ought to be the lesson of the 20th century
00:48:06.640
i'm not sure how much people have have learned that those lessons but that's absolutely the case
00:48:11.280
environmentalism today is a false religion uh it has its priests has its sacrifices has all the
00:48:17.560
paraphernalia of a false religion um you know i would suggest i would suggest that there is the sense of
00:48:25.680
sulfur around this simply because it is distracting people instead of worshiping god worshiping jesus christ
00:48:32.700
to be worshiping that which is created rather than that which is the creator
00:48:37.380
ben uh what is your social media we'll look back getting you on tomorrow or monday on the ukraine
00:48:45.140
situation a lot to go on there i know you're on top of it uh where do people follow you on social
00:48:49.360
media thank you so much steve uh war room for org is the first port of court uh where myself jala and
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00:49:16.680
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00:49:23.340
that his gets a lot again it has a lot more engagement than mine i think it's part of the
00:49:27.620
things of him reading all the comments and engaging with the audience ben great job honored to have you on
00:49:32.080
here thank you for coming from rome dave walsh i'm going to have you back on next we've got to go
00:49:37.400
through what carrie did you nailed this germany because of the because of the embrace by the
00:49:42.900
elite of this dangerous cult is rapidly de-industrializing based upon their energy policy
00:49:49.720
and what you're seeing now is a revolt of the german people against it just like you're seeing a
00:49:54.960
revolt of the american people against what's happening here but the plans of carrying these guys i think
00:50:00.020
are actually more radical than the germans where do people go to your social media dave to keep up
00:50:03.820
with you it's at dave walsh energy on getter and true social the same thank you steve you've done
00:50:11.900
an amazing job dave of showing us what the future is going to be quite frankly when you first came out
00:50:16.040
a couple of years ago when you first started talking about this i think a lot of people were
00:50:18.960
thinking given how how precise and engineering oriented the the germans are that would never happen
00:50:24.480
it's happened exactly like you said it was going to happen so thank you very much
00:50:28.460
well let's go on uk we get the bp is advancing their relationship with sonotrek in algeria to
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bring pipeline gas into western europe to offset the shortage from the russian stoppage while they're
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decarbonization it's very sad it's incredibly sad unbelievable this is why i've always been a
00:50:59.300
irish republican dave walsh thank you very much great analysis bye-bye one thing hopefully this show
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