WarRoom Battleground EP 390： McCarthy's Pivot For Speaker; Intelligence Failures Of IDF
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In the wake of a day of intense Israeli bombing and the beginning of ground operations in the Middle East, what will the ground offensive be in response? What will the situation in Europe look like, and what will it mean for the hostages?
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this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just
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like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is
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the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's
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your host stephen k bannon monday 9 october year of our lord 2023 it's uh columbus day and quite a
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columbus day it's been a um you know as we've told you a long time ago the beginning of the third
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world war is upon us and and now it's not just on the eurasian land masses spread now into the middle
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east a day of a really uh intense uh bombing and beginning of ground operations in israel i want
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to bring in uh ben hornwell from rome ben thank you very much you've been following it as you
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always have as our international editor give me your um your the the the crowned heads of europe
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the the european governments where do they stand right now you know they've always been almost more
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pro-palestinian than pro-israel where's all that breaking out right now uh with these governments about
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what's happening because the the initial assault was barbaric but the hit back is uh is not been
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exactly a day at the beach i mean they're coming in hard they bombed earlier today uh they bombed
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gaza like strategic bombing was done in dresden your thoughts sir well starting off on the european
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capitals you know there has been a certain you know we have large islamic populations here across
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all of the the eu countries so there is a rather you know let's say more nuanced position with regards
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to to israel in the middle east than in the united states which is almost really the political
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class 100 pro-israel um but it is still pro-israel uh overwhelmingly in the european union and with
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that said even though like the left the left wing party specifically tend to attack a lot more uh closely
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and more sympathetically uh with with the plo i would say however and they have you know most of the
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european capitals have been bounced into supporting israel probably even more full-throatedly than they
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would otherwise have wished because on on on on twitter x and other social media platform platforms
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what have you we're seeing you know in european capitals groups of presumably muslim affiliated youths
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um dancing in the streets and celebrating um waving the palestinian flag um and that has sort of
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bounced respective european governments into coming down quite harshly and being even more pro-israel
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in their response but i have to say it has been pretty pro-israel right from the beginning right
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are they you think there's going to be any intimidation at all do you expect i mean they're
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always worried about these sleeper cell assaults are are the european governments worried about there
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could be this could expand particularly as israel hits back i mean the use of dancing up and down
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because uh hamas took them by surprise but this hit back and and bb notified uh netanyahu notified
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biden a ground campaign is going to start in the next 48 hours uh do you anticipate you're going to
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have uh you anticipate there could be um uh activity in these no-go zones in these capitals i mean france is
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a disaster uh holland's a disaster belgium i mean it's it's uh these these places are infested
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with uh with um radical muslim jihad i i personally would absolutely be very very um attentive to the
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possibility that there will be reactions from sleeper cells here with it within continental europe
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and let's not forget that in terms of bb's conversation yesterday with president uh biden
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about the ground offensive biden asked him about um about the hostages situations and whether the
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ground offensive um will be affected regarding that dynamic and bb was you know she was basically
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we are going in because we have no choice um so whether they turn the whole of the gaza strip
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into a car park um i i'm not sure but if they're willing basically to to go in and it's not they're
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not they're not going to go in to pay uh to play a patty cake this is serious um and if they if that
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if the instance and consideration of hostages is now secondary uh we can have an idea of uh now i don't
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i use the word hesitancy cautiously when i say now let's say i was going to say brutal it's going to
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be a brutal response i'll go ahead with that word it's going to be brutal uh and that will i think
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um i'm not saying it's disproportionate according to the um to to the hammers attacks but it will be
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a it's going to it's going to be an unambiguous response steve that i think will almost certainly
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um uh increase the the anger from the uh from the cells that you were mentioning as i say i mean
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these clips are widely spread on um i've got something in fact you know i never mentioned
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my twitter feed because i very very very very rarely post on it i did post something on my own
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uh twitter feed uh of of youths celebrating this is they're going to be tipping over from celebration
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into aggression how that manifests itself um we'll have to wait and see but there's definitely
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going to be something else for sure um talking about bbc in the media i mean right now they're
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playing it because the initial assault was so brutal and so savage against uh youth but how long
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does it take for bbc because correct me if wrong hasn't bbc been one of the biggest pro uh palestinian
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uh and really playing patty cake with terrorist uh news organizations yes the bbc and of the british
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labour party as well especially under jeremy corbyn and then you have george galloway um who's a
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long-standing scottish uh member of parliament for the labour party now somewhat of a far-left media
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celebrity and these people like this have been jeremy corbyn um i just mentioned the former leader
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now expelled from the labour party by kiss you do have these uh these uh points lightning rods if you
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will for um who've been very very explicit in their support of of the palestinian course and the bbc has
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naturally been um it's probably been its editorial policy i would say 45 40 in favor of israel and the
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rest in favor of the plo um over recent decades but that said right now as we're speaking the um the
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response hasn't you know it's full on it's you know it's like look and what did nikki hayley come
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out and say uh yesterday uh yesterday look i'm going to quote this because it's an indication she
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said this is not just an attack on israel it's an attack on america um the bbc in in a certain respect
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certain sense certain respects along with the rest of the british mainstream media is very much still
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at the moment for um for israel when of course steve the ground offensive starts in the gaza strip
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and the photos start coming in um as we saw sort of some some photos yesterday footage of of the
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palestinians rescuing um or trying to pull out bodies from under the rubble when these things start
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to sort of increase in number perhaps there'll be a change of position but right now it is totally i
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i think in um in uh israel's favor let me play i want to play jeremy bash we did part of this in
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the morning show i want to play this for the audience remember this audience kevin mccarthy
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uh is running uh is going to run and be put in nomination to run for the speaker he's using
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israel has his wedge back into this uh you should understand what the apparatus in town has in store
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and what they're i love jeremy jeremy bash is a former chief of staff over the central intelligence
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agency he is a uh a regular on msnbc alex witt is interviewing him even she's in shock i want to
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play this in its entirety ben because what he's talking about is uh what dan crenshaw's masturbatory
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fantasy has been uh a kind of a war to end all wars this is where it starts getting apocalyptic
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uh book of revelations come and see types of thing let's go ahead and hear bash and i'll uh bring
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you in are you reading anything between the lines and secretary blinken's response there
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well he acknowledged that we were all caught off guard i think by definition this is an intelligence
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failure but it's actually more than that it's also a border security failure and i think the
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question alex at this hour is where will israel go next i mean certainly they will battle palestinian
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terrorists that have infiltrated the country they'll stage hospital rescue operations and then we can
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expect a comprehensive thorough degradation and destruction of hamas's war making capabilities
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inside gaza i think the question is will the violence spread to the west bank uh and more
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fundamentally will israel launch military attacks and by the way i think they would be absolutely
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justified in doing so against other iranian proxies around the region because after all hamas's main
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patron is iran which does not want to see greater integration greater peace between israel and the arab states
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so on that front hezbollah given the uh military might of hezbollah how delicately does israel have to
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approach something like that if they choose to engage them engage them forcefully zero delicateness if
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you will i think they're going to deal with hezbollah with a very tough uh iron fist um hezbollah is a
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terrorist military that has about 200 000 medium and long-range ballistic missiles aimed directly at
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israel israel is a pretty small country you know nine million people about the size of rhode island
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one main populated center around tel aviv israel israeli officials refer to the country as a
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country of just a hundred targets if a terrorist military with ballistic missiles can fire a hundred
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targets strategically at the center part point of israel it's going to be a very difficult day for
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israelis and they know that the israeli civil defense authorities have the civilian population well
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trained to scurry into bomb shelters the united states has helped field the iron dome anti-rocket
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artillery and mortar batteries to support israel's defense so israel may have to go on the offensive
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across the northern border not only into lebanon but also into syria to take out hezbollah and other
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iranian proxy positions and i wouldn't be surprised alex if israel also undertook operations as far as the
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persian gulf to take out iranian naval assets and even their air assets because if iran is behind this
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attack in israel as i said would be completely justified in launching such operations we in the
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united states would do precisely that got to tell you jeremy what you are laying out as possible it is
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an all-out middle east war is this scenario something that you can see playing out in the near future
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i can i mean i think israel's calculus is going to be uh their israel is on the path to some very
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significant diplomatic uh breakthroughs here with the saudis and if they can get assurances from the
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united states and the saudis and the emiratis and other gulf countries that you know israel is going to
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be able to make peace and have normalization uh and and that's going to continue and that these military
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operations are not going to affect that then i think israel is going to go very far in conducting
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those military operations you know if the military if hamas succeeds and they in some ways thwart the
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diplomatic efforts then it's going to have to be sequenced israel is going to first have to deal
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with the terrorists first have to deal with iran first have to deal with the threats to its
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citizenry and its borders and then pursue peace and normalization uh in sequence but you know this is
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going to be israel's uh plate of call and i think the united states is going to stand four square
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behind israel which is what you've heard so far from the president from the secretary of state and
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every other senior biden administration official and by the way this is bipartisan you see it on
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capitol hill as well there's bipartisan support for israel at this hour as there should be
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there's there there's there's bipartisan support but i don't know if there's bipartisan support for a
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that is a massive all-out middle east war that would suck the whole world into it ben hornwell
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your thoughts and observations on this sir well you know you you finished before going to that clip
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you just you were mentioning about armageddon right that's that's reference and revelation that
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that's mentioned in in revelation 16 16 but if you want to know where that is folks it's just
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off the northern tip of um of the west bank um mount mount megiddo um i you know personally i'm just
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keeping one eye on that corner of the world right now um because of the various dynamics that's taking
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place you know my guy was probably correct when he mentions that iran was probably the the sponsor
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behind hamas worth mentioning that both anthony blinken and the idf have both come out uh in the last
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24 hours and say they're they're not aware their intelligences aren't um their respective
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intelligences aren't aware of any um of any links to iran at this stage however you know that would
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probably be my money um in terms simply because iran that's desperate to to to to be the regional
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hegemon that cannot allow um the the normalization process that was due to take place uh between saudi
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arabia and israel john kirby came out 10 days ago saying that the basic framework for this was in
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place it would have also actually been quite an uptick i think running into the for the biden
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administration generally running into november of next year that's presumably steve i don't know
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what what your thoughts on this are but that's presumably now blown out of the water for the time
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being but you do have this dynamic that um saudi arabia is of course run by uh the the saudi war
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family which is sunny uh hamas is is sunny um afghanistan is sunny um iran is shia uh so it has
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um it has to to maintain its status to augment its status in the mid east it has a very double game
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that it has to play to use hamas to um is is the principal um as the principal vehicle for blowing up
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the the prospective peace in the middle east remove saudi arabia from the united states orbit to the
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extent that it is in the united states orbit and then sort of try um and dominate itself because of
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course iran is a huge country population wise the other countries at least are far smaller
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um so there is that there is that wider game but right now um i don't think uh that the the link
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between hamas and iran on this has has been exposed but it's almost certainly that you said something
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steve i really do want to to come in on this um having spoken like to said those things earlier on
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in the morning show you cited the fact that that israel had said that this was um the pearl harbor and
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9 11 thrown um joined together that's very curious you know and you and you mentioned that you sort of
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read um basically all of the documents on both those instances that's a pretty uh cryptic i think
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metaphor for for israel to make given that there's a large number of people frank that that suggest
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roosevelt um over the heads of his office of the navy obviously um but had maneuvered the pacific fleet
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um around um around its base of pearl harbor to provoke um japan into firing um as it were the first shot
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to then enter the second world war um and of course that you know i don't need to go on right now
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but i'm sure the the the war in posse will be very versant and fluent with with the various theories
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regarding um 9 11. i would just like to suggest that um if it was israel's long-term ambition
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to go in and flatten the gaza slip give you know giving them the opportunity to to launch this attack
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um and then you know on on the out you know as i mentioned the nikki hayley quote which is broadly i
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think uh in a single sentence representative of the the whole global mainstream media opinion right
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now it has given israel a very um a comfortable position pr wise to go in with a free hand and do
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what it wants in the gaza strip i would only note in closing on this point steve that the world had
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been obsessed the last 18 months had been absolutely obsessed with you ukraine who's
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talking about ukraine in the last uh 48 hours that's another dynamic that we're going to need
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to cover now because i think the situation there will change very quickly yeah i want i want to
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cover ukraine here in a second but do we have the brennan i want brennan's not ready yet okay fine let
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me know when that off the end let me know when that's ready yeah i tell you what let's play brennan
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right now i want your response to this former cia director john brennan uh you've worked in national
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security you've worked in the field you've worked in the region um how did israel's vaunted intelligence
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network and military and the u.s not see this coming well that's a good question andrea and i think there
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were a lot of failures that led up to this clearly the israelis didn't have the either human or
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technical sources that gave them insight into this it also i think is increasingly apparent now
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that they misread a lot of the signals that were coming out of gaza in terms of activities that the
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hamas members were engaged in also i think they misread hamas's intentions i think they were relying
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heavily on the work visas that they were giving to the gazan workers and believing that the money
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going into gaza was going to appease a palestinian ire over their their situation in gaza so i think there
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were just a lot of misreading and a lot of missteps and miscalculations that went into this and i know
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the israelis are going to be doing a post-mortem but also i think fundamentally i think habibi
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netanyahu and a lot of israeli politicians believe that by establishing relations with arab states
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such as bahrain and the emirates sudan morocco and potentially saudi arabia that that was going to
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reduce or eliminate the risk that they face uh over the course of you know many many decades but uh
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none of these steps really have addressed the palestinian concerns and so i think it just uh
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increased the militancy uh of hamas uh in engaging in these horrific uh unconscionable acts of violence
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against uh the israelis um but it's unfortunately i think it's been a brewing for many many years but i
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think the the tactical uh missteps over the past several months in terms of not seeing that this
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was going to happen such a large multi-dimensional multi-pronged attack uh this clearly was a failure
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of epic proportions well clearly the hamas uh it has talking brennan he's always lecturing you
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about the intel they're a disgrace i can't imagine the cia the nsa massad and idf intelligence
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israeli defense force intelligence miss this just don't believe it sorry i don't it was too it's too
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look this was a massive military strike over a vast geographic area given the space it was air
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it was land it was sea they had planning logistics finance training recruitment all of it and and
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and nobody's talking about the fact they had embeds they actually had palestinian journalists i mean
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they were they were jumping up and down from the very beginning and blowing out on social media to
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europe and other places throughout the middle east and sub-saharan africa or in north africa so there
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was massive celebration like in 9 11 this was this was highly coordinated ben uh ben harnwell thoughts
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steve i couldn't put it any better myself um i don't believe that mossad um and the cia uh that this
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took them by surprise i don't believe it i posted perhaps it was edgy but i posted on getup late last
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night um a collection of all the european capitals um no not and including the united states um
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that came out it was the very statements that came out on saturday morning um saturday morning
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who's in the office which which civil servants which press spokesmen which ministers are in the office
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on a saturday morning within hours steve within hours of this in um these attacks this invasion
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they'd all produced um almost an identically worded with identical phraseology statement and that's
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on my getter feed if if folks want to um want to um want to um want to track that down um so i don't
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believe it uh i just put that out there i don't believe it they knew this they let it happen and
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that that that is i haven't seen anything um that will yet that will make my change make me change my
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mind what what brennan was saying just now steve um obviously it's the cia line to take um i know
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that though because i have an article here right in front of me that i was looking at this morning
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on on reuters headline i don't think i sent it through right excuse me i don't think i i sent
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it through but the headline is how hammers duped israel as it planned devastating attack um and that's
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um that's basically word for word what brennan was just saying so this is obviously a cia line that
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they sent out to client and compliant media which is obviously only too happy to pick that up and
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you know this article here that i that i mentioned and they talk uh here that um that the you know that
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hamas had actually constructed a mock israeli settlement in gaza where they practiced a military
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landing and trained to storm it um and they had videos of these maneuvers and then there's a quote
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they're saying israel surely saw them but they were convinced that hammers wasn't keen on getting
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into a confrontation which is sort of the ridiculous things that brennan was saying you know steve as you
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would say as you do say when they push out this kind of thing that's how dumb they think we are
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um no they knew the israeli the israelis knew that this was taking place that was hence my uh my earlier
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comments about um pearl harbor they knew this was taking place and they let it happen um because
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fundamentally it will be advantageous for what israel hopes to achieve
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uh walk me through uh ukraine uh particularly now here in the united states there's zero chance
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there's gonna be a firestorm about giving another penny over there and we hear that biden
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is trying to work out a program for a hundred billion dollars 24 billion coming in the first package
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and they're going to try to wrap it now instead of border security that's been forgotten
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they're going to try to wrap it with a new package for israel
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yeah um zelensky came out with a statement saying that um that uh in on the need for for nato to
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maintain unity so this is not the time to withdraw from the international arena into uh internal disputes
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uh this is not a time to isolate ourselves um no one's no one's listening now um really the the
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the the this is the consequence of the of the um of the global mainstream media
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um having an inability to to to walk and chew gum at the same time it's simply one issue
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one issue and one issue alone that they're going to hammer hammer in on and they you know zelensky had
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his time in in the sun uh 18 months really it it's now he he's um he's not getting it and you know
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how close i follow the international news i think we've had a reduction in about about 90 percent of
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stories on ukraine in the last 48 hours um no uh there's going to be no money i don't think from
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the united states i'm fairly sure there's going to be no money now from the united states going to
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ukraine the fight on you know a particular statement you know she's she's agitating for
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the united states to act and react as it it itself had been um attacked by hammer so i think that's
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where the political class is going to be it's not where mago is right no no no no mag mag mag mag is
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fighting this mag mag is trying to be the sensitivity how they get to uh how they get to your social media
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ben thank you so much steve yep uh simply on uh get the exclusive newsletters that come out on
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warren.org come on to the best profile the best platform on on get to the act steve bannon because
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he's very kindly reposted me and then also um steve bannon's war room on rumble
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thank you ben and by the way you get many you get you get you get you get many more likes than i do
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as i've noticed your commentary thanks brother thank you brother back in a moment
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well right now mr speaker congress is paralyzed because of course eight republicans joined with
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every democrat to evict you from the speaker's chair uh last week the republicans meet tomorrow
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if there is a deadlock and i fear there might be would you be willing to stand up and become the speaker
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again look the conference has to make that decision i'm still a member i'm going to continue to
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to fight it act i know what it means to have a strong america and a strong relationship with
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israel every from every term i've been in i have led all the freshmen to israel my first trip as
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speaker was to israel to speak at the knesset at the 75th anniversary of the creation of israel
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we need to not part in any way and show no weakness here and we've got to understand that this is not
00:33:00.700
an interaction like they've had before this is something that hasn't happened in 50 years
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we have to understand as americans and i've got to give you a lot of credit because you have always
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talked about foreign policy but even on your tweets what this means to america what happened in israel
00:33:17.540
when there are 700 israelis going to 800 who were murdered that is equivalent of almost 30 000
00:33:26.000
of americans if you take the size and america has to understand what's going on this is not a time
00:33:32.880
for what's happening in our our colleges this is a time for strength this is a time to stand together
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this is a time for assistance um and this is a time for congress to speak as one voice not just i want
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to come back and press you a little bit wrong yeah mr let me let me go back mr speaker because
00:33:50.860
i do fear a deadlock because i know that there are uh hundreds of kevin it was eight republicans
00:33:58.240
brought you down i don't know if they can change their mind but i don't think we're going to get
00:34:02.660
to uh a speaker other than kevin mccarthy this week and we can't not have a speaker right now
00:34:09.100
would you be willing to go back if those eight retreated look whatever the conference wants i will
00:34:16.040
do i think we need to be strong i think we need to be united uh the eight uh in my view don't look
00:34:24.620
to be that it was a personal thing it wasn't about where we were going think for one moment if you take
00:34:31.580
some of their comments of why they did this because i kept the government open could you imagine
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they're the ones that stopped appropriation bills from going forward they're the ones who voted against
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the continuing resolution that secured our border and cut spending they're the ones who wanted a
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government shutdown we wouldn't be paying our troops while we're putting out a a carrier strike fighter
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there are 30 000 americans this is they're trying to use they're trying to use what did he say right
00:35:02.460
there about the southern border that's the priority he's trying to use the israel situation
00:35:07.080
the attack uh on um on uh innocent israelis by an arm and this was a military operation this was not
00:35:16.100
terrorism coordinated by and funded by the persians um
00:35:22.560
this was a deadly strike and he's trying to he's trying to leverage this to get himself back in
00:35:28.400
make sure you're at the ramparts of this is he mentioned the southern border as he mentioned the
00:35:34.000
crisis in financing the government those are the existential threats the attack on israel is not
00:35:42.440
an existential threat to the united states of america we need to protect israel we need to stand with
00:35:48.480
israel and what we need to do right now is to make sure that uh the persians and hezbollah and all
00:35:54.400
their proxies are not escalating this that's what we need to do now and all they're doing is this a rush
00:36:02.220
to a major and massive middle east war remember president trump said today earlier in the speech
00:36:07.580
about the uh the reinsertion of the travel ban because this is the problem we got we've had an
00:36:14.300
invasion on the united states of america we've had an invasion on the united states of america president
00:36:21.320
trump's trying to take it from the from the international we have to be why would we allow now
00:36:27.140
what biden has done uh going soft on on uh on uh terrorism and that didn't include the southern
00:36:35.500
the southern border we have been invaded full stop and we need to get on top of this i gotta tell you
00:36:42.180
this this could not be more dire it could not be um a situation that could be worse for us
00:36:49.440
and note you see right there did he mention one thing on the southern border
00:36:53.240
this is he's trying to leverage himself back in on this uh on the uh the israeli situation and it
00:37:00.800
has to be shut down he's already announced he's running he's gonna put himself in he's gonna get
00:37:04.520
himself put in nomination so this has to be shut down you got to tell your representatives under no
00:37:11.120
circumstances kevin mccarthy there can be no return to the cartel government and to use this
00:37:17.260
the situation in israel and he's sitting there bragging i've been to israel 12 times how many
00:37:22.260
times you've been in the southern border bro i know you went down at least twice for optics for photo
00:37:27.080
ops you never lifted a finger you did not lift it and don't give me the oh hr2 hr2 hr2 hr2 what did
00:37:34.000
you do about impeaching me because what'd you do about shutting down cutting off money what'd you do
00:37:38.540
about moving down and actually having making the capital making congress actually the house
00:37:43.040
representatives actually meet down in mccallan texas what did you actually do to stop it here's
00:37:47.960
what you did nothing because the moneyed interest don't want it to stop
00:37:52.880
okay uh massive news out of 60 minutes last night the millie thing i will get to uh later i'm gonna
00:38:02.160
have to do that tomorrow let's go ahead i got joe allen because they dropped another bomb a massive bomb
00:38:08.120
on um on 60 minutes last night i want to make sure you're not missing this on artificial intelligence
00:38:12.620
because as important as everything's going in the middle east in ukraine you you must uh hear what's
00:38:19.640
being said by the creators for artificial intelligence let's do that and then bring in joe at 75
00:38:25.260
hinton recently retired after what he calls 10 happy years at google some of his research led to chatbots
00:38:33.800
like google's bard chatbots are said to be language models that just predict the next most likely word
00:38:41.540
based on probability you'll hear people saying things like they're just doing autocomplete they're
00:38:46.900
just trying to predict the next word and they're just using statistics well it's true they're just
00:38:53.420
trying to predict the next word but if you think about it to predict the next word you have to
00:38:58.880
understand the sentences so the idea they're just predicting the next word so they're not intelligent
00:39:05.140
it's crazy you have to be really intelligent to predict the next word really accurately the risks
00:39:10.880
are what well the risks are having a whole class of people who are unemployed and not valued much
00:39:19.580
because what they what they used to do is now done by machines other immediate risks he worries about
00:39:26.380
include fake news unintended bias in employment and policing and autonomous battlefield robots
00:39:36.540
what is a path forward that ensures safety i don't know i can't see a path that guarantees safety
00:39:46.200
that we're entering a period of great uncertainty where we're dealing with things we've never dealt with
00:39:52.320
before and normally the first time you deal with something totally novel you get it wrong and we
00:39:57.980
can't afford to get it wrong with these things can't afford to get it wrong why well because they might
00:40:02.980
take over take over from humanity yes that's a possibility why would they not say it will happen
00:40:08.840
if we could stop them ever wanting to that would be great but it's not clear we can stop them ever
00:40:14.780
wanting to but he says now is the moment to run experiments to understand ai for governments to
00:40:23.060
impose regulations and for a world treaty to ban the use of military robots it may be we look back and
00:40:31.880
see this as a kind of turning point when humanity had to make the decision about whether to develop these
00:40:36.900
things further and what to do to protect themselves if they did um i don't know i think my main message is
00:40:45.140
there's enormous uncertainty about what's going to happen next
00:40:48.540
these things do understand and because they understand we need to think hard about what's going to happen next
00:40:56.880
and we just don't know um that just tell us joe who this person is because that is probably the most
00:41:08.140
disturbing thing even with the elon moss this is the most disturbing thing this is one of the fathers
00:41:11.840
of artificial intelligence and he and this is not 10 years in the future he said this is in the next two
00:41:17.720
years next 24 months that this could that that could be the inflection point and all we know is that
00:41:23.880
this is accelerating at an accelerating rate and particularly given what's happening in taiwan
00:41:29.820
in ukraine now in israel in the middle east um to think about everything that ai gets involved in
00:41:38.260
uh we could literally be hurtling towards uh armageddon sir
00:41:43.500
steve that's certainly how they're talking about it in some of the top labs uh in and around silicon
00:41:50.200
valley in seattle that of course was jeffrey hinton uh so-called godfather of ai mainly for his work on
00:41:57.780
neural networks and uh since the uh panic of earlier this year about ai he's come out and and tried to
00:42:08.280
inform the public about what he believes to be the biggest dangers of ai as you heard there human
00:42:13.620
displacement is a major part of it uh the ideas coming out of these top labs that includes everyone
00:42:20.180
from google's deep mind to uh open ai in association with microsoft to anthropic now in
00:42:27.540
association with amazon and inflection ai all of these guys talk about human displacement as an
00:42:34.440
inevitability of what they're working on they all as they are creating these these artificial
00:42:40.640
intelligences or trying to create artificial general intelligence uh they believe that they will
00:42:47.100
displace human beings not only in uh day-to-day tasks but just in pattern recognition in knowledge
00:42:53.080
making in decision making and so you have hinton coming out on the alarmist side of it he's trying
00:42:59.800
to sound the alarm saying that this is going to have a profoundly negative effect on humanity uh he's one
00:43:06.400
of the few the rest even if they admit to the potential for negative effects they all believe it's fairly
00:43:12.580
inevitable that the good side uh will win out and even if it doesn't they don't even seem to care
00:43:17.980
so when you look at something right now like the war in ukraine or the emerging conflict in the middle
00:43:25.300
east you might wonder why is ai not making all of these superior decisions on the battlefield why don't
00:43:31.960
you see more and more autonomous drones deployed uh that is actually a really good question which
00:43:37.720
there are many answers and my own sense of it uh is that they just simply are not at the level
00:43:44.240
that you could rely on them to make the primary decisions in battle but the intention 100 is that
00:43:52.120
they will and i and i really do think that the outside of economic uses such as predicting stock
00:43:58.640
markets or integrating large language models into education and into even psychotherapy outside of
00:44:05.780
these sorts of day-to-day things the real testing ground for whether or not artificial intelligence
00:44:10.500
lives up to both its promises and its threats are going to be on the battlefield especially in places
00:44:16.640
like israel who are really at the forefront of military artificial intelligence just behind the u.s
00:44:22.920
and of course at the forefront of the manufacturing and designing of drones and they have many programs
00:44:29.360
which could easily turn into the dreaded fully autonomous lethal weapons that guys like hinton and
00:44:37.720
go back to this uh when he talks about this he talks about they could take over uh if we don't play
00:44:46.720
this right he says this could happen in the next couple of years talk to me because we've always said
00:44:51.300
hey it could be 10 years away could be six or seven years away he's pulling this up into the foreground
00:44:57.000
yes i the the predictions that are really really aggressive such as hinton's or elon musk's or even
00:45:05.300
greg brockman now out of open ai uh maybe maybe not but i think that what they they are pointing to
00:45:12.500
the most extreme circumstance in which ai has somehow managed to take control of an ever more pervasive
00:45:19.700
digital infrastructure a digital system that we all live in i think that the most immediate threat
00:45:25.460
though the one that really needs to be confronted is the threat that ai will be taking over at the
00:45:31.160
lower levels at the levels that are most going to affect people like us on the ground normal people
00:45:36.860
not ai taking over all of the united states or ai taking over all of europe but ai taking over your
00:45:44.740
job or your child's mind i think those are the sorts of things that are most immediate and are already
00:45:51.640
happening as we've reported extensively bill gates is working to integrate ai into educational systems
00:45:58.420
for one-on-one tutoring uh you have guys like ilia satskabar out of open ai who believes and elon musk
00:46:05.780
agrees that ai will be used for superior one-on-one counseling psychological therapy uh in other words
00:46:14.180
in my perspective brand washing i think that that coupled with ai used uh and for the purposes of
00:46:21.640
propaganda for the purposes of deep fakes and also for the purposes of analyzing the effects
00:46:27.780
of propaganda and deep fakes on the population those immediate threats already see the displacement
00:46:34.600
of human beings and more and more so as musk would put it the ratio of intelligence on the planet
00:46:40.520
being weighted towards the machines rather than humans i don't think that these guys are going to
00:46:46.580
create a machine intentionally that takes over their jobs but i do believe that they will they
00:46:51.720
are in the process of creating machines that will take over our jobs maybe the most important job we
00:46:57.320
have which is to understand the world and make proper decisions based on that understanding
00:47:02.680
um joe how'd they get all this in the in the new book your book dark aeon uh you were down with tim tim
00:47:12.120
pulling the team down in miami this weekend you're giving speeches all over i want to make sure it's
00:47:16.400
up on the site of where people can get you yeah steve i tell you what watching these headlines unfold in
00:47:23.420
the last three months in the wake of uh the book's completion has been really strange because all of
00:47:29.240
these developments in the technology and to some extent on the geopolitical uh realm that they're
00:47:35.380
discussed in the books i try to lay out the the frameworks to understand where these technologies are
00:47:41.280
going not only in day-to-day life but also in warfare so dark eon you can find it anywhere books
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are sold uh you can find amazon barnes and noble at the publisher skyhorsepublishing.com and you can
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also find it at canonic xyz which we'll get into another time look into it uh and you can find my
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social media at joe bot xyz and of course my website joe bot dot xyz
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joe fantastic i look forward to having you back on later in the week thank you very much steve
00:48:14.400
so mccarthy's coming in he's going to run for speaker they're going to try to have a restoration
00:48:20.900
here uh we need everybody on that uh bobby kennedy announced that he's going to run as an independent
00:48:26.640
in the uh for president he's dropping out of the democratic i think primary he's going to run as
00:48:31.260
independent president trump gives an amazing speech in new hampshire president trump wants
00:48:36.500
the immediate restoration of the travel ban remember the one we've worked on the white house
00:48:41.420
in the first couple of weeks that was held up by the supreme court as being constitutional
00:48:46.820
we have the right to protect ourselves the border people should be focused on is the southern border
00:48:53.400
of the united states of america there's been a massive invasion going on there the uh the democratic
00:48:58.100
party and joe biden initiated it exacerbated it uh and now we have i don't know between six and ten
00:49:05.340
million illegal alien invaders here in the country and they're all over the country we have no earthy
00:49:11.380
idea where they are this is the inspector general of the united states telling us this and uh we know
00:49:16.460
that there are literally thousands if not tens of thousands of active terrorists uh in that and
00:49:22.360
todd bensman is the one that's done the amazing reporting he wrote the book on this at the beginning
00:49:26.360
so uh look at the footage of what you're seeing coming out of uh what you're seeing coming out of
00:49:31.980
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