In this episode, Dr. Bradley Thayer joins us to discuss the latest developments in the case against Donald Trump and his potential impeachment. Dr. Thayer also discusses the role of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as a direct threat to U.S. interests.
00:03:10.940Iran would have never supported Hamas and other entities like Hezbollah in the attack against Israel
00:03:18.280if they had not been green lighted by communist dictator Xi Jinping.
00:03:23.480So we need to recognize that Reagan was certainly right in his characterization of communism as an enemy.
00:03:31.780Soviet Union is dead, however, the Chinese Communist Party, sadly, is still very much alive.
00:03:38.820And that's the locus, that's the center of gravity of this unrest.
00:03:42.920Their support for Tehran is going to be ongoing.
00:03:45.640It's far more than just support for the nuclear program or oil, natural gas purchases.
00:03:51.000It's Iran as a weapon to be used against the United States and U.S. interest, just as Hezbollah is, just as Hamas is, and just as Russia is.
00:04:26.340We need to anticipate that Xi's not done as an arsonist.
00:04:31.260He's going to light more fires on the Korean Peninsula.
00:04:35.180It's quite likely North Korea is going to try something to cause a crisis on that peninsula to further occupy our attention.
00:04:42.300In preparation for moving against Taiwan and or the Philippines and further expansion in the South China Sea.
00:04:51.060So he's getting what he wants in terms of distraction.
00:04:54.220The last point is he's also doing this because he's supremely vulnerable and he knows he is.
00:04:59.680The fact that he's had to replace ministers, so many generals, so many ministers, former officials, is all because he recognizes that he's vulnerable to being overthrown.
00:05:17.960And so in a paranoid fashion, he's tightening his grip on the Chinese Communist Party leadership.
00:05:26.020I want to make sure people understand this.
00:05:29.680He's because his economy is, quite frankly, beyond shaky, given the Ponzi scheme they've been running.
00:05:37.640In this moment, he knows that he's got he's got to gin up Han nationalism, Chinese nationalisms to a fever pitch against the foreign devils to focus on the reunification with Taiwan.
00:05:51.760One of the ways he's doing that is a long term strategic plan on the consolidation of the Eurasian landmass with the Persians, with the KGB, with Erdogan.
00:06:02.500Erdogan came at this weekend and showed us his true colors.
00:06:04.780In that moment, what I find surprising in that moment, when it all has to converge and come together, why does it look like he's decapitating part of the PLA's leadership, which he's been doing for the last couple of years?
00:06:22.240But now, even at the moment of crisis, the moment of battle and also other it looks like senior members of the regime in both areas of finance and commerce, sir.
00:06:40.020And so what he's doing is, in a paranoid fashion, he's tightening his grip on leadership through the anti-corruption campaign, Steve, which he's been running for years.
00:06:51.160It's a way of getting rid of his enemies, real or imagined.
00:06:54.560And then with the leadership, the embarrassment of Hu Jintao in October of 2022, where he was ejected in front of Xi Jinping and the highest levels of the Chinese Communist Party leadership.
00:07:08.680This is an individual who recognizes that, as you observe, the economy's in real trouble.
00:07:16.540But his greatest crisis is the illegitimacy of the Communist Party of China and his rule over it.
00:07:23.300So we need to expect, as you said, that he's going to be looking at other causes, other elements in international politics, attack against the Philippines, attack against Taiwan, further expansion against India and in the South China Sea, or against Japan or the U.S.
00:07:42.280We need to recognize Guam's a target, Hawaii is the United States homeland itself, is a direct military target of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:07:53.980There's a lot of trouble ahead as he moves forward.
00:07:59.700That's why this is the time to get rid of them.
00:08:02.500This is the time to put pressure on the Chinese Communist Party to evict them from power.
00:08:09.840Sadly, we're not focused on the center of gravity, right?
00:08:12.660We're focused on other issues, however important or the humanitarian component there.
00:08:17.960The center of gravity in a strategic term is Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party.
00:08:23.040And that's what we need to get rid of.
00:08:28.420Is there any doubt in your mind when you look at the evidence that they are in back of the Persians, because the Persians are the lead element there, right?
00:08:38.580With the proxy armies and the Houthis and the missile attacks, all of it, that their long term, this kicked off with their, the PLAs had a long standing relationship with the Persian army.
00:08:50.600But that the underwriting of the long term output deals that gave the mullahs actually the wherewithal to do this.
00:08:57.260Is there any doubt in your mind that the CCP is in league with the Persians to start this second front and to distract from, you know, they've got the chemical warfare attack with fentanyl and the invasion of the southern border with military age, fighting age males from mainland China.
00:09:17.040You've got, you've got this front in the Middle East and now in Ukraine to distract the Americans from the principal focus on Taiwan.
00:10:06.600And that's where the focus ought to be to deal with the threats.
00:10:10.380So many of the threats that we face in international politics.
00:10:13.880As Reagan recognized the Soviets were that center of evil, they were the focus of evil in the modern world, so too we need to recognize, we need to have leadership, we need to recognize that Beijing is in that role today.
00:10:28.280And if you get rid of that issue in Beijing, if you restore the greatness of the Chinese people to themselves by eliminating that odious and Western ideology, which is Marxism, Leninism, then you're going to see that Tehran is going to be in big trouble.
00:10:47.660They're going to recognize they can't do what they've been doing in terms of their arson, and Russia will as well without their Chinese ally.
00:10:58.280So the center of gravity is everything, and we need to maintain that, obviously, front and center in our strategic thought and planning.
00:11:05.700I want to go through, because I know people that I've heard now this from, not just from Miles and other people before he went to jail, or people around him, I now know it from multiple other sources, that Juan Xishan is spending an incredible amount of time.
00:11:24.780Remember, he's kind of the theoretician of Xi, but he's spending a tremendous amount of time over the last couple of years on this topic of legitimacy, of legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:11:37.720Why would power players like Juan Xishan and Xi, who run the whole deal, why would they, 70 years after the America turned it over to Mao Zedong, the State Department, the Communist-infested State Department, and General Marshall,
00:11:54.780turned over to Mao Zedong, and the Chinese revolutionaries, why would they, at this late date, walk us through the sources of legitimacy.
00:12:05.340I keep hearing that he is going through a, and he's a very bright guy, as you know, going through a massive, I mean, Bloomberg introduced him in Singapore a couple of years ago as the most powerful guy in the world.
00:12:15.200Why would Juan Xishan spend a second, given their grip on things, and their master plan rolling out through all of the Eurasian landmass with one belt, one road, and having the Americans, it looked like, distracted and spread all over Hell's Half Acre.
00:12:32.640Why would they spend, why would they spend, why would a guy like that spend a second on the sources of legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party?
00:12:41.200Because he knows the Chinese Communist Party is illegitimate.
00:12:44.740It's a product of Western ideology, Marxism, Leninism.
00:12:48.600It was imposed by the Soviets and the Communist International, whose support really allowed Mao to come to power.
00:12:59.840And there was no mandate from the Chinese people.
00:13:05.500The Chinese people didn't vote for this in any capacity.
00:13:08.780And the malpractice and gross human rights abuses they've committed against the Chinese people year after year after year.
00:13:16.780The aggression that they've had in international politics against Tibet immediately in 1950, while at the same time fighting the U.S.
00:13:24.740October 1950, they're conquering Tibet and they're starting their intervention against the U.S. and U.N. forces on the Korean Peninsula.
00:13:33.660This is a hyper-aggressive and illegitimate regime.
00:13:38.740And because they know that they're illegitimate, they have that sensitivity, right?
00:13:43.200Which is why he's constantly discussing that issue, why it's always in the back of their mind, why they always talk about their greatness at the same time talking about how oppressed they are, right?
00:13:55.760It's either one or the other in terms of it.
00:13:59.400So they recognize that they're illegitimate and they recognize that they're vulnerable.
00:14:04.380And by having a variety of distractions, they've been saved time and again, either by American governments or spies or other actors.
00:14:17.600But, Steve, it's also key just finally to recognize as well that although they're held in place by terror, they're held in place, of course, by this advanced surveillance state.
00:14:31.900Like the Soviet Communist Party, they can also fall just as rapidly.
00:14:38.460They can collapse just as rapidly if we're able to bring pressure against them by supporting the Chinese people, by working through the diaspora, by people of goodwill, and by American leadership, American and allied leadership.
00:14:52.400We'd be able to bring them under pressure, we'd be able to bring them under pressure, but sadly, we're not.
00:14:57.720So, again, it's a lost opportunity while he's undergoing these protests, while you had the blank page protests, if you remember, starting just about a year ago, almost a year ago now, which lasted so long.
00:15:15.680And in terms of post-COVID lockdown protests, but they were really a protest against the regime, there are all sorts of opportunities that we have, if we could capitalize on it, to de-center this regime, to evict it from power.
00:15:33.240But it needs leadership, and it needs support, and sadly, we simply don't have it.
00:15:40.020So, time and again, this is another lost opportunity, as in 1989, as in 91, 92, 93, there was a similar opportunity, it's just going to pass, and these guys seem to have another opportunity to remain in power.
00:15:59.260So, that legitimacy issue is front and center, because they know they're a gang of thugs, and they rule by tyranny, and they have no place, as communism does have any place, in the 21st century.
00:16:15.320It belongs certainly on the ash heap of history.
00:16:17.940Reagan had a plan to bring that about against the Soviets.
00:16:21.900Sadly, we don't have a plan to bring that about against the Chinese Communist Party.
00:16:29.260I want to talk, when you talk about, not spies, but also assets, and the people that the CCP uses all the time, I want to be very specific about Pillsbury.
00:16:41.980Michael Pillsbury's got one of the big slots over at Heritage, he's supposed to be a leader, he was in and out of the White House all the time.
00:16:47.580He wrote a terrific book, what, The 100-Year Marathon, which I thought was a good primer to get people to think about it.
00:16:53.500But he's always pulled his punches when it comes to the hardcore, like ourselves, which the CCP is the focus of evil in the modern world, and must be taken down.
00:17:04.740That you're not going to have peace in the world while you have a criminal element ruling Lao Beijing out of Beijing.
00:17:12.500So walk me through, walk me through, walk me through, Pillsbury's in Beijing, and been sending us some tweets and some commentary that is quite suspect.
00:17:24.320Can you walk me through that, Dr. Bradley Thayer?
00:17:28.600Mike Pillsbury and Joe Nye both offered comments at the 8th China Global Think Tank Innovation Forum October 23rd.
00:17:36.500And so about a week, a week ago, and there, Pillsbury's comments were reported by Chinese media, transcript was reported.
00:17:47.920And Mike Pillsbury made two major arguments.
00:17:52.180One was, in essence, he's embracing engagement again.
00:17:56.580And this is the fundamental problem, Steve, you identified, this deep problem of can we break the elite's desire to sustain engagement with the Chinese Communist Party, which basically funds them and keeps them in power.
00:18:12.000So the first argument he made was, in essence, an argument for engagement.
00:18:15.460He identified that a problem in the Sino-American relationship was a lack of communication.
00:18:20.260Whenever I hear that, I think about Frederick the Great, when he was asked about the province of Silesia.
00:18:27.920He was fighting wars with Maria Theresa of Austria.
00:18:31.800And he was asked whether that was a misunderstanding.
00:18:34.280And he said, no, it's not a misunderstanding.
00:18:38.280We both want Silesia, and only one of us is going to have it.
00:18:41.900So there's no misunderstanding in the Sino-American Cold War.
00:18:46.340America is seeking to defend itself and its interests, and the Chinese Communist Party is seeking to take it and to dominate in consequence.
00:18:57.560So he made the argument the problem is a lack of communication.
00:19:01.040There were about 50 channels he observed during the Trump administration that Trump shut down and that Biden only has restored about five of those channels of communication.
00:19:13.540That compels us to ask, well, why should we have any, right?
00:19:21.040It's an issue of fundamental disagreements and odious and tyrannical regime fighting the United States and its allies.
00:19:29.140The second argument he made was the one China principle was one China policy used to be the foundation of Sino-American relations.
00:19:42.160And he was lamenting that the Trump administration skewed that too far.
00:19:48.720And Mike Pompeo specifically, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, now out of office, obviously, had made two trips to Taiwan and was seeking to or calling for recognition of Taiwan, abandoning the one China policy.
00:20:06.700First, the one China policy is often misunderstood.
00:20:10.740It was what the United States said in 1972 and afterwards is we acknowledge that China says, right, that the PRC says, People's Republic of China, that they have a one China principle.
00:20:28.540We acknowledge that, but we're not taking any type of issue in response to that or regarding that.
00:20:35.640The second point to make is, fundamentally, Pompeo is right.
00:20:43.060What we need to do is recognize Taiwan and protect it from the inevitable assault, which is coming soon, probably quite soon, from the Chinese Communist Party.
00:20:57.460And that assault could be part of a larger campaign against Japan and the U.S., or it could be coupled with an attack against the Philippines, or it could be just against Taiwan itself.
00:21:09.880And Americans need to remember why Taiwan matters.
00:21:14.040Taiwan matters economically because of chip production, right?
00:21:18.180It's a robust economy that makes so many of the computer chips that we use.
00:21:24.100Second, it's a key military and intelligence base for the United States, should the U.S. choose to use it as a military base.
00:21:35.040It bottles up People's Republic of China's access to the Pacific Ocean.
00:21:40.840And then lastly, because of political warfare, Taiwan shows what China might have been, what it could have been if the communists hadn't come to power.
00:21:51.360Mainland China could be just as vibrant, could be a democracy, multi-party democracy, and the Chinese people could be as free as the Taiwanese people, which is why it's an ideological threat.
00:22:02.900We talked before about the vulnerabilities of the party, but a great vulnerability is also the success of Taiwan as a vibrant democracy.
00:22:39.400A fundamental tenet of President Trump's taking on the Chinese Communist Party was the understanding, and by the way, in Hong Kong, I think we blew it because we could have taken a tougher stand in Hong Kong
00:22:53.220when the CCP moved to basically consolidate Hong Kong, but Taiwan, it's always been the policy of the Trump from the very beginning.
00:23:03.320Remember, we took in the transition, we took a phone call from the president of Taiwan, which freaked out the CCP and had Tiger Yang and his guys fly over to see Jared, myself,
00:23:14.300Navarro, and General Flynn a couple days after that.
00:23:16.500We purposely took the phone call to send a message there was a new strategic order, that our focus was to take down the Chinese Communist Party, not to, not to, not to.
00:23:53.680At key times in the Trump, and this was, he was on Fox and he'd be on Tucker and he'd go in the Oval Office.
00:23:58.760But if you watch this guy closely, like the China Hawks watch it closely, you see that this guy's playing both sides against the middle and maybe even playing more for their side by his own record.
00:24:10.860And this right here, particularly in what we're doing and with the election coming up, and I would argue maybe as important election or not as I guess the presidential election,
00:24:20.620but the second most important election of 2024 is going to be the one that happens in January in Taiwan, where they try to have, where the CCP once again, try to use this Terry Guo and those guys to somehow have the Kuomintang take the presidency and then try to have a rapprochement with the CCP.
00:24:38.980How can Pillsbury be in Beijing right now in the middle of a beginning of a third world war where they've been at war with us on unrestricted warfare in years, taking the side of the CCP?
00:24:48.940That's a pure collaborationist. Is it not? Or am I missing something here? Dr. Bradley Thayer?
00:24:55.500He's going to have to speak for himself. I mean, this is a symptom of it. Mike Pilt, this is a symptom of the deeper problem, Steve, which is think tanks in D.C., media, our elite, as you well know, our business community, U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Wall Street, are all tied to the engagement school of thought.
00:25:15.820The idea that you can make the Chinese Communist Party a partner and you'll get rich together. The Chinese Communist Party will essentially host manufacturing from the United States and there's going to be untold billions of dollars to be made.
00:25:36.500As Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said, of course, right, we have to preserve that over $700 billion relationship.
00:25:45.140So the engagement school has strategic thought in the United States in a headlock, and that has to be broken.
00:25:55.120We need to identify the CCP is the enemy of the United States, and we should be doing everything we can to defeat it.
00:26:04.420It is the center of gravity, and it needs to be defeated.
00:26:07.940So individuals who are touting the advantages of engagement or the necessity of engagement need to be questioned and actively questioned about, well, you know, what did you get from your engagement?
00:26:21.740You've been doing it for 40 years, and what has engagement gotten us?
00:26:57.540The focus of evil in the modern world, and any businessman, politician, think tank, person that's in business with them, you are part of that evil.
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