WarRoom Battleground EP 406： Confusion In Maine; Cocktail Of Medication For Children
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In the wake of the mass shooting that took place in Aurora, Colorado, on Nov. 14th, 2019, the media and the general public were quick to point the finger at the family of the shooter, Robert E. Rogelio Rocha, Sr., and blame his family for not doing enough to prevent the massacre. But there were a ton of warning signs, including from his own family, that pointed to multiple missed red flags.
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this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just
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like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is
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the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's
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your host stephen k bannon now back here at home the main mass shooting suspect and alarming new
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details this morning about missed warning signs that led his family to reach out to law enforcement
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months before the massacre trevor alt is here with that for us good morning again trevor good
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morning robin so there were as you say a ton of warning signs here including from his own family
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according to the saget hawk sheriff's office they say robert cart's family reached out in may saying
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his mental health had declined and they were worried about his well-being and his access to firearms
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authorities say they contacted his army reserve unit and in july he was committed to a mental health
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institution in a statement a u.s army spokesperson says after that the suspect's commander was told he
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should not have a weapon to handle ammunition and not participate in live fire activity then in
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september after a soldier expressed concern of a mass shooting the sheriff's office requested a health
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and wellness check and it led to a statewide alert but deputies say they were later told this suspect
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had no longer had weapons from the reserve unit and his family was working to take away his guns
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that statewide alert was canceled october 18th one week before 18 people were killed lindsay
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multiple miss red flags uh it is tuesday all hollows eve in the year of our lord 2023 i i want to go
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we had sheila matthews and really an amazing a couple of segments on saturday's show and i got tremendous
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feedback so we want to that kind of help uh sheila make this effort about these drugs and young boys
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but it's actually deeper than that gets these mass shootings sheila matthews um first off i want to go
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back and start and and just restate what able a child is about this whole issue of the drugging of
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essentially young boys a lot of times is not to demonize or to stigmatize single moms so it's where
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the father a lot of times where the father's not in the home where the father has left um and you have
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these psychiatrists and particularly the school psychiatrists and how that eventually evolves
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to the issue of mass shootings and how that even evolves in in all these myths but you're because
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you're saying this happens all the time and it's out there in the open and nobody catches how to even
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how's it even play into this main situation so go back and talk to us about what what is the purpose
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of your organization and what led you to make this kind of the cause of your life
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okay so it's informed consent regarding psychiatric drugs so our focus is that parents get all the
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information before they place their children on psychiatric drugs that means they need to know
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the subjective nature of the diagnosis and then they need to know the dangers of the drugs so
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another mom and myself formed this organization in 2000 based on the fact that her son was placed on
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paxil and attacked her with a knife and she didn't recognize him i was getting ready for a meeting and i
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saw her the night before on c-span testifying before the congress i called congress i got her name and then
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we we started this organization so her help prevented me from placing my child my son on psychiatric drugs
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so that's what our organization does we want parents to understand that the psychiatric industry
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and the pharmaceutical companies are actively participating in our school system through the
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association of the school psychologist's office so they're a distribution channel so we
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started working on this and then i tumbled into foster care and now i work on mass shootings
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and how i do that steve is through identifying through these reports so you just showed an opening clip
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and they're like oh all these missed flags well that's simply not true we already know from one report
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that was uh put out that he was treated at keller army community hospital and last time i was on your show
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i said that's really important because we have to get to the root of the problem here who is the
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treating psychiatrist so that is important now we have that information and uh so that's how i i started
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working on this particular main mass shooting um that happened and um basically the report that you
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showed in the opening was that they oh he you know he was treated he was this well the fact is they
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already have this information they already know who the treating psychiatrist is and the meds he was on
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but they're withholding it and if you noticed in the segment they said a spokesperson so they don't give
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you the spokesperson's name they don't give you anything that you can solidly put your teeth in
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so um basically what able child is focusing on is this particular public commissioner that was appointed
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by governor janet mills uh he is the public health commissioner and he basically had a press conference
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and he's basically the one that we have in our sites right now so he has the data and he's saying
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well we you know we really can't focus on the diagnosis because a lot of people in this press conference
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have diagnoses well i don't really care about that i want to know what this guy was diagnosed with
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then he says hold it hold it hold whoa whoa whoa hang on hang on so he said that he can't talk about
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the diagnosis of uh of robert car card because many people at the press conference have diagnosis what
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does that even mean that means he is playing down the psychiatric aspect of this mass shooting and he's
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also um basically saying it's so complicated mental health is so complicated that the public won't
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understand all the different levels of mental health and so he's he's just he's not doing his job he's not
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a good spoke he should be removed immediately and we should get the psychiatrist from the tri-care which is
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the behavioral health uh vendor of that hospital out in front we need him out in front and from keller
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army community hospital he needs to be out in front they have his records they know the psychiatric drugs
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he's already been given so okay hang on hang on i want to go back on something you said this about
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informed consent and psychiatric drugs and in the in giving to these young kids and it turns out a lot of
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these mass shooters have this let's go back to the beginning are these psychiatric drugs how powerful
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are they is there something about them that makes them so powerful to young men or young people
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that they've got to be the parents really have to understand this is it or are they just like a a
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another form of uh of motrin no the psychiatric drugs are causing violent reactions that include
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mania hostility violence aggression and the most of all homocidal ideology homicidal ideation okay and
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that comes from psychiatrists own peer reviews okay so and that comes from the clinical studies that
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they're doing on these psychiatric drugs and a lot of people are kicked out of the the clinical drug
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uh studies because they have aggression and they've carefully worded the word aggression they can say
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it has you have agitation uh senator grassley did a really good um piece over his um course of looking
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into the conflicts in clinical drug trials so this is a collateral damage what we're dealing with here in
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the state of maine is collateral damage of the psychiatric industry of the drugs now okay but hang but hang on a second
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hang on a second just so i understand this um they have to psychiatrists or school psychologists i take it or not
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medical doctors that's what a psychiatrist is it's kind of next level if there's a track record and it's
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proven in peer-reviewed journals which i assume if you say it you can you can back it up with
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peer-reviewed journals why would they give these psychiatric drugs or some combination or cocktail of
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them to these young boys that have you know they've got ants in their pants i mean they're typical young
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boys they're not made to sit in classes they're made to be out you know in a field hunting and
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shooting and farming and you know that kind of stuff that's in their basic dna of being a a young man
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why would they risk even for things like adhd or whatever they say these kids have
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just basically being you know young boys why would they risk putting that why would people in
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responsibility and authority and the schools have the best interest of the kid and clearly the doctor
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with the hippocratic oath has their best interest why would they put them on this and how possibly
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could they ever convince a parent to sign the document that you have to sign if their studies
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that show that they have you know uh hostility agitation leading up to homicidal ideation which means
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hey i'm thinking about killing some people and it's in my head so how can that even work
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well they don't give the parent the information at the school little meeting that they have they
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don't say here's all the documentation of the treatment that we want to get your son on they
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don't say that that's why my organization works on informed consent that's part of being informed so you
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can make a wise decision and it's it's called coercion uh we experienced it a lot as a nation recently
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it's coercion that means that they coerce you into doing it it's they soft step it they're like
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well we filled out you know your son has these characteristics of adhd they don't tell you that
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those those are subjective checklists they're not saying this is very subjective and we can't prove it
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because there's no brain scan there's no blood tests we can take i didn't get that information so
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parents are doing it because they're being lied to and now this commissioner in the state of maine is
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lying to us okay he has the documents he says in the conference that oh i was told um this by
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you know who tell us who told you this bring the psychiatrist out so parents are being coerced
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the country's being coerced and i don't know if you know donnie deutch but he developed the
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advertisement of the bouncing zoloft uh commercial and it says you may suffer you may suffer from
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a chemical imbalance well that's been proven not to be true and that story came out it didn't make
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the abc news that you just showed they didn't come on the air and say oh my god there's no proof behind
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chemical imbalances they're not going to tell you that because they're getting pharmaceutical
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advertisements and they're pushing these drugs it's an industry are you are you are you saying
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that the school when this first starts which is at the the school psychologists and psychiatrists
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that they are advising taking medications or medicating children of medications that may be
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too powerful for them for the simple reason is is there any ideological reason they want to
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suppress young men's activity or is it purely a profit motive because the uh the pharmaceutical
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industry is seeing a great pathway of distribution by doing it through the by turning the school into
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essentially a medical arm of their or distribution node of of their pharmaceutical company it's the
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distribution center it's it's the pharmaceutical companies can't go into the school knock on the
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front door and say we want to sell your kids drugs they have to go through somebody so they're going
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through the association of school psychology i've saved every document that ever happened to me and my
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situation and other people have sent me theirs and basically the information that i got was try this
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drug if this drug doesn't work try this drug and that was the recommendation through the school psychology
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of how to treat adhd it's a marketing campaign that comes into our school system through the association
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of school psychology it is the only association that is allowed in our school they want to be the experts
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and they're they are seeping into everything they're in our military they're in our churches um i could get
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into all how and you know i just know that they are and the evidence is out there and in the state of maine right
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now on this mass shooting abc is doing us a disservice by telling us that oh there's all these miss flags
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because what's going to happen now is going to say we need more mental health we need more mental health
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spending and there's a shortage of uh psychologists there's a shortage of these people and so they keep
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getting more and more power and the educational system is being shoved to the side we're not getting
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money for uh real education they run everything they're running this investigation in the state
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of maine right now they're feeding this commissioner talking points and for him to say in that press
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conference real a lot of us have diagnoses i mean think about that's crazy that is crazy we want to
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know about this shooter what was his diagnosis so that's that's why i think it's important you know
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it's interesting that there was a study out the other day 62 percent i think it's millennials 62 percent
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millennials are dealing with either medicated for or have seen a doctor for mental issues like almost
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two-thirds of a generation are you saying this all comes out of the schools this all comes out of
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turning the schools with these psychologists into basically mental institutions that's right and now
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we have a push to get through president biden a push to get um mental health clinics in our schools
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and there's a perfect example in the state of connecticut in killingly uh connecticut and there's a
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little board of ed that's trying to fight back and say we don't want this mental health clinic in
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there and now the state of connecticut is suing that little board of ed and so yes it is a money
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maker and you know steve you know those bills you talk about that they pass that are like stacked up
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real high this is all coming through that they are passing these mental health bills they never we never
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get a public hearing on them and i and i really want to point your attention to this new york bill
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which um was proposed in 2000 which would collect the data that we need when somebody gets arrested
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and basically it would say that um when you come into the police station you know what psychiatric drugs
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are you on and um they would start gaining and gaining that data this bill died and it's important
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that we get it back on the table you know so and then go ahead if people say i want to hang
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one second i want to go back to maine then in the main situation this is quite confusing
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um to the outside because it just seems like one day of mumbo jumbo after the other
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is it do we know now that he was actually on these psychiatric drugs and that this was
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given to him by what you call the treating the treating psychiatrist which is your point and all of
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these uh school shootings it turns out that i think virtually all these kids or the majority of them
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are on the psychiatric drugs your point is you can't get to the bottom of any of this until you
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see what the treating psychiatrist uh diagnosed the patient with and what drugs he was on correct is
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that the is that the core of your of your pitch as far as this being something that uh that the nation
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needs to focus on the nation needs to focus on the press conference that was held by this commissioner
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of public health he says that he cannot get access to the records and that's not true okay because
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the behavioral health vendor a tricare that that works at that hospital they told us the hospital he
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was treated at so we don't want to hear from the commissioner telling us that all the people in the
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room have diagnoses we want to hear from the treating psychiatrist we don't know his name
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i don't know if he was on psychiatric drugs but we need to know that and and that's what i'm asking
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we can't take away people's guns we can't blame uh guns we can't get more mental health money spending
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until we hold this industry accountable and that's what i want to do i want to hold the industry accountable
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get him in front of the microphones from the hospital who is he somebody knows who he is
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and i believe it's the commissioner of public health uh sauce chuck who was a he worked in portland i
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mean his his characters i mean you got to do a deep dive on him he's been shuffled around and he's anti-gun
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i mean i can bring up his bio but i think it's important to get to the psychiatrist at this point
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why do they why does the media immediately never talk about this they always go right to the gun
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thing the gun use it's the same argument over and over again when the evidence is the vast majority of
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these people are young men the vast majority of these folks uh have uh have had uh you know psychiatrists
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treat them with these psychiatric drugs what is it is it big pharma that's stopping this because they
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advertise so much in tv is it uh politicians i mean in your mind what is stopping us from having a full
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and frank conversation since this is clearly an issue for virtually every parent of a boy that's in uh
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that's in a public school this is the state apparatus this is the state this is the state's
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partnership with the behavioral health vendors they hire the vendors to drug the public whether it's in
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the military whether it's in the schools vendors it's a billion dollar industry and so like in sandy hook
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they named the whole hearing right away out of the gate gun safety gun safety well they knew the treating
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psychiatrist of that young kid that young boy and they avoided why did they avoid it uh the newtown police
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station was under investigation for corruption through the fbi director james comey who is my cousin
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and i hope you still like me because of it um but he knew information about sandy hook that the public had a
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right to know right to know about okay that the newtown police department was selling drugs imported from
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china to the public uh through the newtown police station he did a investigation called operation juice box
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how come the public never heard about that so they're covering up drug trafficking behavioral health
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vendors that the states are in bed with and that's a whole nother discussion on how that structure is
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set up through the legislators and i'm happy and that's why i want the new york bill to be put back
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on the table because it's not just me it's the doj that says 23 of these school shooters are on psychiatric
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drugs so it's it's really important for us to have this conversation it's not a conspiracy it's corruption
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it's money and power and access and so i'm hopeful steve i mean it's been a long journey for able child
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and other organizations so um i'm happy to help and i hope this is helpful yeah how do people get to your
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organization i know the feedback i got over the weekend the people that went uh were pretty blown
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away they didn't folks don't know the scale of this particularly if they're if they're past the
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years of having kids in school but there's something clearly wrong here and the pharmaceutical industry
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just like in the vaccine is is is is embedded here they're dug in and they're not going to move we
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had dr peter breaking on at the beginning of the the pandemic we had on a couple times and he was
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legendary for being the guy that stepped out and really called out the industry and really put his
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own career uh in in in jeopardy when he did it so where do people go now to find out more about this
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and any updates you've got on this main situation because there's main there's something deeply wrong
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about this main situation and uh this is not about guns there's something deeply wrong with what
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happened up there and people want to get to the bottom of it they can go to ablechild.org thank you for
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for having me on because my website the beautiful emails of support i got please keep them coming
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uh we want to help we want to um you know get to your emails so it's ablechild.org everything that i
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have spoken about is on my website they can pull down work and really look at my work in sandy hook
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um and that is really important because it it is the catalyst of um what's going on in this country
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with the mass shootings and how they hide behind the victims and um also my video on my home on my
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facebook on parkland uh sentencing hearing i did with kelly o'mara i i really would love that to be blown
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up you have to have uh kelly o'mara on this she's a journalist and an investigative reporter and she's
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really more articulate than i am with um a deep dive into the the links to the uh side effects and um
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a lot of things we've been working on this for years together
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um sheila matthews thank you so much for being on what's your uh besides going to the site what's
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your social media oh gosh steve um i don't have i'm i'm developing a staff here i have a small group
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of volunteers so you just have to go to my website right now and we're hopeful that
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that we'll make sure we'll get your social media literate so you can get that we'll get
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you up on getter your thing will explode trust me uh sheila thank you so much we'll go to the
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website ablechild named uh it was president eisenhower's big push want to thank you for uh for standing
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watch for america's sons uh really appreciate it thank you thank you god bless you steve thanks
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okay we're gonna come back this massive fight that's going on about uh where your money's being
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spent a big part of that is clearly ukraine and they are pushing this non-stop they got to get that
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60 80 billion so ben hornwell from rome is going to join us about all of that get us up to speed also
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the synod on synality i came it's so bizarre i came to talk about it's another radical uh movement by this uh
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fake pope uh francis uh we're going to get into that too also we're going to have a brother crouch
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on here talk about um gun safety how to use your weapon better and how to avoid the cost right now
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of gun ranges and the ammo cost not that you don't need to go to a gun range on occasion but you got to
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get better with your weapon particularly if you're new to weapons young people uh uh wives daughters
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girlfriends are just getting uh their first weapon you need to use your own weapon you need to know
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how to use it and uh joe crouch is going to be here to talk all about that short commercial break
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we'll be back in a second we're gonna go to rome with the one and only ben hornwell
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thank you steve harnwell thanks brother harnwell rome uh ben okay austin's sitting there today
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testifying that if you don't give the 80 billion dollars today or the 60 billion uh we're going to
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be fighting a land war with american boys and girls in against russia very quickly i mean the hype is so
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over the top mcconnell's now agreed he knows he's got a problem he wants to throw some border security
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trinkets on there give us you were the guy in the middle of the night that got the time magazine
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article to me it was so blow away that i actually put it up as soon as i read it walk me through where
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we stand particularly as it dawns on zelinski that mersheimer might have been right and he was led down
00:38:54.880
the primrose path by the party of davos sir steve um good evening to you yeah um this is really this
00:39:03.660
article here that as you say is up on at steve bannon right now uh i'll i'll be posting the link
00:39:09.780
to that myself um it's an astonishing article um i would i would i would change the headline i would
00:39:16.340
call it um an an anatomy of a discard that's really what this is it's a breaking down an analytical
00:39:23.660
breaking down of precisely how president zelinski has been discarded by the very people who um who
00:39:30.680
were encouraging him um to to fight with every means possible against russia really as you say
00:39:37.180
as professor mishheimer said he's been walked down the um the primrose path there is um there's one
00:39:44.740
quote here however that that i want to read out which isn't actually to do with the discard um it's
00:39:50.500
and it dovetails precisely into your question right um about lloyd austin and mitch mcconnell
00:39:58.300
and um lindsey graham and all and all the rest of them right i'm just going to read this directly
00:40:04.100
amid all the pressure to root out corruption said the journalist speaking i assumed perhaps naively
00:40:11.140
that officials in ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds but when i
00:40:18.100
made this point to a top presidential advisor in early october he asked me to turn off my audio
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recorder so he could speak more freely simon it's the name of the journalist you're mistaken
00:40:29.940
people are stealing like there's no tomorrow now if the war room had sub-edited this article
00:40:38.040
of that would have been the headline you know um and it would be in prime position on time magazine's
00:40:44.320
website it's not this is buried right down at the bottom this is an illustration this is october steve
00:40:48.900
when senators like mitch mcconnell and and and um and lindsey graham are wobbling on bifurcating
00:40:58.600
uh funding uh from you separating ukraine out from from israel this expression should be tattooed on
00:41:07.700
every single one of their foreheads people are stealing like there's no tomorrow steve what are
00:41:13.480
they stealing with well they're stealing with american taxpayers money and that's the reality
00:41:18.680
on the ground and an interest as interesting as it is that revelation i i would concentrate on the
00:41:26.220
fact that this is this made it through into the final copy this is clearly what we've been saying
00:41:31.260
for months now steve that president really back from from the nato um annual general meeting in
00:41:37.580
lithuania in vilnius i think it was june or july this year the famous photograph the the family photo
00:41:43.320
when zelensky was there standing on his own looking at the camera totally abandoned we said that very
00:41:49.020
day this is the moment that you'll look back on people will look back on and say this is when the
00:41:54.460
discard started as he slowly started to be discarded and and and articles like this right that the
00:42:00.900
published dropped right in the middle of a of a primary uh battle now for uh for funds for ukraine
00:42:07.980
it's not an accident this is this is i would i i i would i would suggest this is this is to be seen
00:42:13.440
in the fact that zelensky is being he's being left now to twist in the wind um i know i don't have
00:42:22.380
very much time there is there is very quickly i know because you but hang hang on but hang on but hang
00:42:28.500
on hang on before we go to that because this is central to this um what happens if because right now i can
00:42:36.580
tell you i want the audience to understand it the has to rule is a rule created a couple decades ago
00:42:42.260
that had to be agreed upon because there's so much vitriol in the house even then that unless
00:42:47.120
a majority the majority unless a majority of the republican conference supports a bill coming to the
00:42:53.300
floor it can't come right now i can tell you that if they abide by that rule there'd be no movement
00:42:59.040
going forward on a ukraine bill at all and ukraine's out of cash what happens
00:43:04.720
with all the big talk in europe and nato and and the eu and davos all that what in your mind
00:43:11.180
if because i'm telling you i think this is the hill a lot of maga a lot of america first a lot of
00:43:17.420
right-wingers are going to die on is to stop the ukraine right if focus on the border obviously but
00:43:23.980
stop if you stop ukraine other good things will happen later what will happen in your mind right now
00:43:29.900
given these reports you've been reading from the guardian from time magazine and from others
00:43:36.360
um it i don't know i really don't know how this is going to pan out um you potentially potentially
00:43:46.960
zielinski his family perhaps some key ministers could flee the country potentially that they could
00:43:53.160
sit and try and divide the country more formally like vichy france did in the second world war
00:43:58.260
you know it's not really at this point steve in the game it's not really now i think zielinski's
00:44:03.300
uh game to call it really depends on what vladimir putin wants to do um in the uh in the event of
00:44:10.500
the ukrainian implosion um i think that's probably now the dynamic look steve we've been saying for so
00:44:16.260
long that the window to negotiate for zielinski to negotiate from a position of relative strength
00:44:22.220
was closing he's missed it now and so really i think this is the case of of sitting by now
00:44:28.920
seeing what the russians will do because the the west is extremely overextended
00:44:34.480
yeah but ben ben hang on but you you were in the european parliament you're an astute observer of
00:44:40.160
british politics european politics you've been in rome for over a decade now i think uh you're you're
00:44:45.960
obviously a huge hit her on the war room you've done great work europe and the european project put
00:44:51.400
so much into this leaving aside the american atlanticist and globalists i'm just talking
00:44:56.200
about europe how can you be uncertain that europe wouldn't come together somehow and at least figure
00:45:02.260
out how to scrape up the money to keep zielinski at least on life support i mean this has been their
00:45:07.220
project for the last two years to to regardless of putin to to not see this through to the bitter end
00:45:15.060
the moment they throw in the towel is the moment i think the entire european project
00:45:19.980
comes up for question because a lot of these populist uh political parties gonna sit there and go hey how
00:45:25.140
much of our money did you piss away on something that you couldn't see through to the end sir
00:45:30.560
well the the elect european peoples are are all moving away and have been moving away for about a year
00:45:38.700
at different speeds admittedly different degrees but they have been moving away from supporting
00:45:44.240
the uh the european the western the nato the american-led support of ukraine so in one sense
00:45:52.980
in one sense i think various countries will will will sigh a relief and because they don't feel
00:45:59.420
particularly invested in supporting ukraine the political elites which you specifically referred to
00:46:04.960
in your question well you know they have as you know they have another distraction now with which
00:46:10.020
to try to hypnotize their peoples and that is israel so in in one sense if they are able to to conduct a
00:46:17.740
pivot away from ukraine onto israel uh well it would really take a watchdog media holding uh people
00:46:27.820
governments to account far greater than what than the one we have in reality um for for governments to be
00:46:34.600
scared i think it's more than they're sociopaths i think it's more than within their capacity to to
00:46:39.600
leave zelensky say look well we we did what we could we don't you know but now is not the situation now
00:46:45.600
now is not the time to escalate um given various global dynamics we did we did everyone will admit
00:46:52.380
we did what we could um these people are brazen and they can say anything they like but to the degree
00:46:57.960
that they'll be held accountable at the elections i think it will depend on a country by country basis
00:47:02.380
but as i say the center of gravity is moving um populists and nationalists are doing very well
00:47:08.140
uh all around i want to come back i want to do this i want to do the synod tomorrow because i got a
00:47:14.540
couple more questions here and we're running out of time last question um is the european media
00:47:19.780
reporting because you're part of the war room you're our international editor do they get the level of
00:47:26.220
uh animosity not just by the right wing but all of maga many centrist republicans and quite frankly
00:47:33.960
now centrist democrats on we're just over ukraine i mean that article on time magazine was brutal
00:47:39.760
everybody's got to read it it's free i've got it up on getter ben harnwell has it up you've got to read
00:47:44.520
this because this guy simon schuster remember he's no lover of maga and this is the most brutal
00:47:50.300
takedown i've ever seen and he's trying to actually i think be supportive of of zelensky i don't think he's
00:47:55.320
trying to do this from from a bad place uh but there's a rep there's european media the european
00:48:01.000
uh people understand how controversial this is in the united states and how it's probably over
00:48:06.760
um i don't think so um and probably uh the motive for that steve is because europe really doesn't tend
00:48:17.080
to get american politics that well it has very superficial reading in the same way that sort of a lot of
00:48:23.920
the american mainstream media doesn't really understand european uh politics either so i think
00:48:29.200
there's you know there's the distance the cultural distance a linguistic difference i don't think there
00:48:34.840
is a sufficient uh degree you know it'd be very great if they if people here in europe did understand
00:48:40.140
the the degree of anger and rage in the united states right now because it would give an impetus
00:48:45.320
and to the populist uh and nationalist movements over here this is one of the great things that you
00:48:51.220
did steve when you came over here um so a number of years ago and sort of valuing these people to let
00:48:57.480
them know that they're not just that sort of eccentric uh uh uh voices shouting out in the wilderness
00:49:04.220
they're part of a global movement now obviously from country to country the the iteration will change
00:49:10.140
of of how that plays out um but i think it would help you know look you've got me you've got me here
00:49:16.520
in um in in in rome in the open union talking pretty much to a predominantly not exclusively but to a
00:49:24.080
predominantly american audience there's nothing really like this um from the united from the united states
00:49:30.860
beaming into continental europe to to sort of give an analysis of what people are thinking and why they're
00:49:36.980
thinking that from our perspective i don't know if that sort of answers the question a little bit
00:49:41.700
more perhaps they perhaps they certainly should be uh ben how did they get to your uh and by the way
00:49:48.980
i'm insanely jealous of your engagement on getter i've never seen anything like it you put up these
00:49:54.440
incredibly controversial uh posts and the engagement is just insane and the comments are incredible
00:50:00.000
how do people get to your getter account steve um acing social media isn't
00:50:06.460
as easy as i make it look um you can i wish i could i wish i could actually say that with a
00:50:14.800
queen's accent um to give it it it it's full um it's full potency look it's it's on the folks
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come to the the war room.org website and which is great grace and mo do a fantastic job keeping
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00:50:45.160
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00:50:50.460
you want to read my somewhat tame uh offerings that steve repost if you want the hardcore stuff
00:50:56.140
which is which is too crazy just come to at harnwell which is which is where i am there
00:51:01.720
thanks steve god bless ben thank you so much i look forward you're going to be a big part of this
00:51:07.520
debate here in the united states look forward to talking to you tomorrow ben harnwell head of our
00:51:12.320
uh international bureau out of rome um the uh we're gonna get back into this tomorrow we're back at 10
00:51:19.140
o'clock i'll be up on getter throughout the evening to put posting different things the um uh we haven't
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