Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 418： Creating An America First Administration

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:14.580 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the

00:00:21.580 authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just

00:00:27.480 like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and

00:00:32.240 misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is

00:00:36.520 the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's

00:00:43.560 your host stephen k bannon hey peter k navarro in for the admiral always a pleasure and an honor

00:00:52.120 to be in the war room it is the war room it is your war room the posse you are the most potent

00:00:58.180 political force uh here in america and my job uh is to try to give you as much information

00:01:05.360 as i can so that you can act accordingly uh great show today we're going to take the first half of

00:01:13.840 the hour uh with a very special guest rogan on hamley otherwise known to you as dc drano um he's going

00:01:22.660 to come on uh in a few minutes and we're going to kind of take a look at the chessboard uh otherwise

00:01:29.540 known as the deep swamp in washington because there's some things going on uh that frankly have

00:01:34.900 been very disappointing uh uh to the posse and then uh the second half uh of the hour uh two very

00:01:44.400 special friends are going to come on and do a debrief a really deep debrief on uh the communist china

00:01:52.440 meeting with uh our fearless leader joe biden um in the clean for a day san francisco um kind of

00:02:02.660 hilarious what they did there in a very dark way um but the two guys brad brad thayer and then the

00:02:10.280 guy i know most personally is jim finnell jim uh most famously uh was the head of the patcom

00:02:19.420 uh command out uh out in hawaii um which had as its mission uh to deal with the chinese communist threat

00:02:29.080 and uh he um infamously got fired by his superiors for being too candid let us say uh about the danger

00:02:40.500 of the communist china posed to um the u.s navy and the u.s military and to this country so they'll 0.91

00:02:47.360 brad thayer jim finnell debrief in the second half of the hour um what i want to do is just touch on a

00:02:53.740 couple of topics before we get to rogan uh the first thing there's been a um let us call it a

00:02:59.960 kerfuffle um in dc that erupted this week between the trump campaign and uh a couple of so-called

00:03:10.260 think tanks in washington one is the heritage um institute which has been around forever

00:03:19.260 um the other is the america first policy institute which was formed um after uh donald trump uh left

00:03:31.140 the white house uh in uh in 2021 and um i wrote a i wrote a piece about back in july of 2022 which

00:03:45.520 basically looked at the american first policy institute first of all it's misnamed it's got

00:03:54.420 nothing to do with mega i looked at everybody in it there are some good people uh but there's far too

00:04:01.540 many never trumpers the person who heads it is is a woman named brooke rollins she's very nice person

00:04:09.140 very earnest person um but she knows nothing about economic issues or trade issues uh she's strictly a

00:04:18.740 social issue focus uh and her vice chair is larry kudlow who i fought with literally on a daily basis

00:04:29.080 when he was in the white house made my life miserable when i was trying to implement tough

00:04:34.160 policies on trade in china so you got like this one two punch there and then and then the fish rots

00:04:40.280 from the head down right because you have um all these these people who are like the typical never

00:04:48.440 trumpers who were in there and the beef that the trump campaign came out with this week they just

00:04:55.760 finally threw up their hands and say hey afpi you're using the trump brand to raise money and that's

00:05:03.520 taking money away from the trump presidential campaign oh and by the way please stop thinking

00:05:09.740 you're grooming people for the new trump administration um and good for susie wiles and 0.99

00:05:17.320 lasafita at the campaign for calling them out on that um and what i'm calling afpi out on today

00:05:27.160 is is is simply this brooke just fold that organization up it may have served a purpose

00:05:34.560 maybe um over the last year or so but you're not needed now nobody in that thing is needed right now

00:05:44.080 the trump campaign has command of the policies and the messaging they don't need you and all

00:05:53.380 you're doing is taking money away from the trump campaign that can be used to elect our next

00:06:00.100 president and using it and i i just hate hate it when the swamp people do this the swamp creatures 0.90

00:06:07.880 they just give it a bunch of money too much money to people who don't need the money and paying too much

00:06:14.500 rent and just wasting it's just pure deep swamp stuff so brooke love you dearly but it's time to

00:06:25.300 fold that shop up right now because your efforts are not needed right now the heritage institute is

00:06:33.040 very different situation in a way heritage has been around forever and going back to the 2016 campaign

00:06:42.160 heritage was a strong opponent of donald trump primarily because the stuff i was most involved

00:06:49.440 with uh which was uh the trade issues and the tariffs on china and uh secondarily uh the securing our

00:06:59.280 southern border and the problem and it's it's uh this is a case where the where the fish rots from the

00:07:08.480 from the core out because the core problem with heritage is that it relies on dark money from

00:07:19.600 people like the coke network all the globalists rhinos want to ship our jobs offshore and they're natural 1.00

00:07:25.280 enemies of trump right so they went through this exercise uh they have a new ceo i i i like the direction he's

00:07:36.320 trying to take the heritage but but let's be real here you can't have an organization which is funded

00:07:45.840 primarily by rhino globalist coke network type money and expected to be fully supportive of trump and

00:07:54.800 that the one story i tell uh that kind of said it all to me is this uh they reached out to me um

00:08:04.000 i don't know it was over a year ago they were working on a policy book which as it was presented

00:08:12.160 to me was designed to reflect what president trump policies would be in a second term or what they

00:08:20.480 should be and uh they wanted me to do the trade chapter i i think for obvious reasons and i dutifully

00:08:27.600 did my duty there i sent the thing in and the trade chapter reflected everything that president trump

00:08:34.400 stands for you know tough tariffs on china to offset their their cheating um dealing with uh countries 0.88

00:08:42.400 like germany and vietnam which are robin is blind in other ways um and the the funny part of the whole

00:08:52.160 thing is as this thing was getting ready to go to press and go through the editorials they go oh and by

00:08:58.960 the way um we had somebody write a rebuttal chapter to you and the the title of that chapter is the case

00:09:09.120 for free trade i'm going wait a minute wait a minute you're you're supposed to be doing a book

00:09:17.520 book that's reflective of the new republican party led by trump who has never said the word fair trade

00:09:27.680 except in vain excuse me he never said the word free trade except in vain and has always supported

00:09:34.480 fair trade that's donald trump fair trade donald trump fair trade free trade is the globalist rhino

00:09:41.680 mantra to send our jobs offshore send our factories offshore keep your wages down here and so so he said

00:09:50.720 okay you're gonna run that do the chapter you're gonna call it the case for free trade well then call

00:09:55.440 mine the case for fair trade you know would be done so i just i mean it was like you got to be kidding me

00:10:00.640 and to me that was the tell in the heritage con game there because they're still grappling with their

00:10:08.560 internal divisions and they're they're they're doing the same kind of thing that that that the the afpi

00:10:17.840 brooke rollins monstrosity kudlow thing is trying to do is like they're measuring drapes in the white

00:10:23.520 house thinking that they're going to put their people in and control the policies of donald trump

00:10:29.760 that's a fantasy okay that's a fantasy they tried that in 2016 during the transition and trump just

00:10:37.200 just get out of here he's going to say the same thing again um so it would be nice to have a think

00:10:46.720 tank in washington dc that was a legitimate think tank reflective of of mega policies um but it ain't

00:10:57.360 heritage it ain't afpi it's not certainly not the american enterprise institute certainly not the cato

00:11:04.640 institute it's certainly not the peterson institute all of which are putatively kind of republican but

00:11:10.160 they're not they're rhinos okay so just as this thing unfolds just keep your eye open and if you

00:11:17.760 want to call afpi tell them you want to shut it down because they're not mega um all right let's uh

00:11:25.760 uh let's bring in uh in rogan now and uh rogan on hanley dc drano is uh is his handle on twitter

00:11:36.320 getter and uh truth social rogan uh my brother uh would you prefer to be called dc drano or rogan tell me

00:11:45.440 you you can call me either whatever comes out doctor all right brother let's let's go with rogan

00:11:50.240 in case of my affection for the irish um so here's the thing let's start let's start with with mike johnson

00:11:58.240 the new speaker and this decision this week uh to do um something which which basically kicked the can

00:12:08.000 down the road for another 60 days and um and frankly uh upset a lot of people um in the posse 0.97

00:12:17.920 is he is he okay i'll give you some options here multiple choice is he just dumb and getting 0.79

00:12:25.920 outwitted um is he kind of kevin mccarthy um with a southern brawl uh none of the above what's going on 0.97

00:12:35.680 here i think he's none of the above uh thus far you know i equate it to uh the first tee off in a golf

00:12:45.280 match a lot of times you get a mulligan on that first one you may not be as warmed up and you know

00:12:51.040 i do give him a little bit of leniency for the fact that he was thrown into being speaker of the house

00:12:56.960 which i think is one of the hardest jobs in america and he had only a few weeks to completely transform

00:13:06.800 how washington spends its money um we are let down by what he did let's let's you know not uh blow any

00:13:17.040 smoke here we are let down on the upside no ukraine funding no israel funding on the downside no spending

00:13:26.960 cuts and we put him in there and we stood in the breach with matt gates because we wanted washington to

00:13:35.120 be transformed the debt is out of control and you can rattle off these numbers better than me but we

00:13:39.280 have a two trillion dollar deficit the uh they can barely sell these treasury bonds without jacking up

00:13:46.960 the rates uh janet yellen is over kowtowing to xi jinping bending the knee saying we need good

00:13:54.160 economic relations with china because she wants them to actually buy these treasury bonds next time

00:13:59.360 around and you know we're paying upwards of over a trillion dollars in debt per year when we only

00:14:04.880 have about 4.4 trillion in annual uh tax revenue so you know 25 give or take is going right to debt

00:14:14.480 repayment so we need massive spending cuts and spending reform we need to reign dcn mike johnson did not get

00:14:23.200 it done in his first month i'm a mike johnson guy i know bannon i know some others they are but um the

00:14:29.760 honeymoon is over and we are going to be expecting from now until that 60 days is up major steps to

00:14:38.880 transform how dc spends its money otherwise i have a feeling after that 60 days if he doesn't

00:14:44.560 come up with spending cuts he's going to lose the majority of his support in the base rogan um who's his

00:14:52.400 uh inner circle and and are they the kind of people that we'd like to have around him that will

00:15:00.320 carry the mega agenda or yeah how's it working do you have any insight into that i don't know

00:15:06.320 how your process works i want to talk a little bit about that in a bit but um what are you hearing

00:15:12.560 seeing is is he is he like a lone wolf or who's who's he listened to well i think right now there is

00:15:22.000 a transition period right so we have seen some positive steps he fired uh a national council

00:15:27.920 lawyer national security council for kevin mccarthy uh brian costell brought this up that actually

00:15:35.680 shut down some of the sequoia capital investigations right so he had all the information about it

00:15:41.600 and he coordinated with mccarthy to shut down sequoia um i know that another one of mccarthy's staffers

00:15:49.920 uh in the speaker office was recently fired a female um so i mean there is this transition period i do

00:15:57.200 know that he has met with some of our freedom caucus congressional representatives and is listening to

00:16:07.680 them on their ideas and their policies you know he's kind of he hasn't really thrown any sharp elbows in

00:16:14.560 either direction yet he's just generally been the nice guys working and talking with everybody everyone's

00:16:20.400 kind of you know in a wait and see approach uh as for his you know internal staff uh i saw an article

00:16:28.400 about it could that be the problem he's just too nice a guy for this job it that that could be you know

00:16:36.640 i i i do want to give him a little bit of more time uh you know i i posted a video after he uh

00:16:44.880 represented trump during one of the impeachments got the acquittal and he was standing right outside

00:16:50.160 nancy pelosi's plaque on her door and he held up the newspaper it said acquitted and he looked and winked

00:16:56.640 you know to the camera i i think he's got that dog in him as we say uh but there's a lot of gears and

00:17:04.800 controls and buttons to to get a grasp on and you know 60 days let's and and no ukraine funding hey

00:17:14.400 that's an improvement every single bill that kevin mccarthy passed had ukraine funding so we do have

00:17:19.840 that one improvement uh right now they're trying to tie in the ukraine and israel funding together

00:17:25.600 i don't think that's i hope that doesn't happen let me i'll be honest with you if i had to choose

00:17:31.040 between no ukraine funding and significant budget cutbacks i achieve budget cutbacks every time

00:17:39.840 because ukraine funding as large as it is as much as in screwing american taxpayers it's a rounding error

00:17:46.480 compared to two trillion dollars and so um yeah that that doesn't um that doesn't appease me uh in

00:17:55.680 terms of his um inner staff i mean who's who's he uh listening to um

00:18:04.480 um i i've heard some things i i i can't disclose on the show but i have heard there is going to be

00:18:11.760 some good things coming down the road i i think i hope that his plan is hey we didn't get everything

00:18:18.480 we want we didn't get a lot of what we wanted on this cr but hopefully he's going to release the j6

00:18:25.440 tapes i know that that's in the works from what i'm hearing but you know believe it when i see it

00:18:32.480 sat on those right mccarthy had them all and when you give them to tucker and that was it did he give

00:18:38.400 all of them to tucker not to my knowledge no i i i think they've been holding these back

00:18:46.240 the thing is it's good politics to release this stuff they they think it's oh we don't want to

00:18:51.680 talk about j6 and you know the election no no it's it's good politics to expose that this was a setup

00:18:59.120 to expose that it was nancy pelosi to expose the election fraud but you know one of the biggest

00:19:04.320 letdowns and i saw mike cernovich talking about this is you know we've fully funded this fbi so far

00:19:10.080 and this doj that has gone after not only president trump and in the j6ers but also pro-life protesters

00:19:20.160 uh soccer moms protesting at school board meetings i mean there needs to be some serious hammering 0.97

00:19:27.840 over this next 60 days so you know mike johnson like i said i like him but uh this next 60 days is the gut

00:19:34.720 check time and if he can come through and get us some wins i think he'll have a lot more uh wind in

00:19:41.920 his sails going into the rest of 2024 and and here's another positive he supported and endorses

00:19:48.160 president trump right kevin mccarthy in the nine months he's been in even though trump kind of helped

00:19:53.200 him behind the scenes never said that so i do give him some credit he has kind of gone out there and with

00:19:57.920 his christian biblical world view but we we want the the spending cuts we want the j6 tapes and we 0.99

00:20:04.720 want to hold this weaponized government accountable well you know the three three parts of this these

00:20:10.800 moving pieces you got yeah you got the budget piece but you got mike gallagher running the uh the

00:20:18.000 communist china investigation that seems to be going nowhere fast and then you got judiciary not really

00:20:25.600 doing a good job at all on uh the weaponization uh that you as you mentioned it's like for me it's like

00:20:34.720 look it's all well and good to go after hunter biden and joe biden uh through judiciary but for me the

00:20:44.720 the bigger issue are the school board people are the people like like uh like steve who the doj

00:20:53.440 went after and you're like literally everybody rogan and i serve within the white house that i know

00:20:59.120 if it was actually pro-trump um has been subpoenaed or indicted or something and and that's no and so

00:21:08.400 but there's been just virtually no movement on any of that the congress has left this whole issue of

00:21:15.280 executive privilege totally alone it seems it seems like like they totally ignore what's going on

00:21:23.200 and by the way the only reason why trump is being investigated by jack smith is because kevin mccarthy

00:21:31.520 let that j6 committee get started to begin with and act illegally as a judiciary instead of a legislative 0.50

00:21:39.280 branch so a lot a lot of stuff going on um talk to me a little bit you know it's it's kind of fun it's

00:21:45.680 like um you know back in the day uh i always like to study uh how writers did their craft and stuff like

00:21:56.160 that you know writing their their their their op-eds or their books or whatever and you you you are

00:22:04.080 kind of like the vanguard of this whole new media it's like the 250 word haiku on social media and i

00:22:13.280 was just kind of curious uh maybe you share with your with the the viewers here and the listeners

00:22:19.520 um what's your process is you know what's what's a day in the life of rogan look like you know how

00:22:25.760 what do you read what you look at when do you start doing your stuff can you can you just maybe share a

00:22:31.040 a little bit of that yeah uh president trump was joking at uh one of his rallies in west palm a few

00:22:37.760 weeks ago he gave me a shout out i was very appreciative appreciative of it he's like these

00:22:42.160 guys are brilliant i don't know what they do do they do it from their couch like what what i don't

00:22:45.840 know how they do this um you know it it i basically just turned my kind of news addiction into a you know

00:22:54.480 uh uh a career of sorts i mean what drove me to do this was seeing marxism banging on the door

00:23:02.640 when i was uh a hollywood attorney in 2017 for years before that and i said i gotta support president

00:23:10.320 trump i gotta help this guy and i believe that memes are the most effective form of communication

00:23:17.520 that exists right it's a digital political cartoon but if you look at a meme that you saw 10 years

00:23:24.160 ago right you would say oh i've seen this meme but if you showed me one of my own tweets from a week

00:23:29.920 ago i'd be like yeah i kind of remember that maybe that was me you know so that's the power of of

00:23:36.720 memes they call it meme warfare and you know i i i look and i try and see what isn't being said that

00:23:45.360 needs to be said or what is the the one two or three issues that the left is focusing on uh or

00:23:52.800 what things does president trump or or you know matt gates or some of these america first wars what

00:23:57.360 do they need help on and that's where i try and allocate eyeballs and attention and i try and give

00:24:04.480 people talking points that i think are effective and i will say i do believe where do you start with

00:24:11.920 that bro like what time you get up in the morning what do you start doing do you what is it what do

00:24:18.160 you read the newspapers the digitals the websites the drugs this to that what how do you yeah get your

00:24:24.800 information to sort out to figure out what's important what's not what what they're missing

00:24:30.080 walk me through i i mean i get a lot from war room i'll tell you that i love you know i don't do a lot

00:24:35.680 of news hits these days only war room but i'm usually up around 6 6 30 and i'm you know boom right on my phone

00:24:41.280 uh getting all the information i do look at drudge obviously don't like him as much as

00:24:45.680 uh i used to i love looking at cnn msnbc twitter i follow a bunch of leftists i mean i want to see

00:24:53.680 what what they're angry about uh or or you know what they do they block us out they they either

00:25:01.040 block us or jump off the platform or ignore us i love looking at what they're saying so that i can

00:25:06.080 tackle it aggressively so i can go boom right into it they're saying trump said this no it's boom it's

00:25:11.120 this you know um but yeah i mean i i listen you know to youtube podcasts i i you get a lot of

00:25:18.480 information you follow enough good people on social media you get the daily news you know when i watch

00:25:23.440 fox news not that i do but when it happens to come on you're just reading or you're just hearing about

00:25:30.240 tweets you saw five hours ago anyway so i think x and truth truth is amazing uh getter you know i you

00:25:38.080 you get the most up-to-date current no bs spin on those uh platforms and then i just provide my own

00:25:45.680 angle i provide my own thoughts and you know i i i tell people i i try to throw punches with words

00:25:52.880 that's just kind of my style we got about 60 seconds left so this would be a great time to give all your

00:25:59.600 uh social media handles and coordinates yep at dc drano on everything uh stands for drain the dc swamp

00:26:08.000 and you know what one point i did want to uh bring up from earlier we were talking about you know some

00:26:12.960 of the silver linings what mike johnson has done uh gallagher on the chinese committee he did send a

00:26:18.640 letter requesting documents from sequoia capital which was that happened after mccarthy and and james

00:26:24.400 colmer too he he uh finally sent out those hunter biden subpoenas so as uh tough as this cr pill has

00:26:32.400 been to swallow i do see some glimmers of hope and i'm hoping that in the next two or three months

00:26:38.000 mike johnson really steps up to the plate and impresses us and release those j6 tapes mr speaker

00:26:45.520 all right my brother you take care of yourself uh i'm following you i keep watching and i uh

00:26:51.680 i love what you're doing brother you keep throwing those jabs thank you doctor got your back all right

00:26:57.440 my brother okay in the uh in the next part of the show we're going to bring in brad thayer and jim finnell

00:27:07.840 to talk about uh communist china they came they saw they conquered here in san francisco

00:27:14.880 uh and we're going to tell you what the real agenda was this is peter payne navarro in for the admiral

00:27:27.200 stay with me right back

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00:32:41.120 war room battleground with stephen k bannon

00:32:43.840 hey peter k navarro in for the admiral stephen k bannon

00:32:53.360 there's something very significant that happened in this country

00:32:59.120 this week with uh our fearful leader in the white house joe biden um and this was his um

00:33:08.320 so-called summit with the dictator xi jinping even biden called him the dictator well

00:33:13.840 good for joe once um we're going to break down what exactly happened with uh two of the very best

00:33:23.520 analysts uh of communist china that we have in the world brad thayer um and jim finnell um and as i

00:33:33.840 told you at the top of the hour um jim jim's a very special person to me when we were in the white house

00:33:41.920 when i was in the white house jim was was going through his trials and travails with paccom he

00:33:49.520 had been too tough on china for the uh for the for the navy brass um and they couldn't handle the truth

00:33:58.880 why he's now on worm but actually uh tried to get him um uh to be a be an ambassador out in southeast

00:34:07.360 asia um one thing led to another it didn't happen but um he's just doing wonderful work so i want to

00:34:14.480 welcome uh bradley thayer and jim finnell um into the world gentlemen how are you guys today

00:34:23.040 great peter thanks uh thanks for having us yeah that'd be great um let's start off um with uh with the

00:34:31.280 with the 30 000 foot view with brad uh you and i had a discussion offline about um this whole notion

00:34:39.840 of of biden coming in to save china at the worst possible time uh tell tell me what the agenda

00:34:46.640 with the real agenda tell a posse what the real agenda was of that meeting and how did it go for the us

00:34:52.800 well uh xi jinping came to san francisco uh to thank his base uh of support which are the billionaires

00:35:02.560 uh that were at the dinner uh uh last uh um in the evening uh the approximately 400 to be clear right

00:35:11.760 american businessmen right wall street types who make billions off of china right who are supporting uh

00:35:20.240 xi jinping and the chinese communist party so xi came to thank them uh by and their behavior was

00:35:26.720 appalling obviously giving them a standing ovation but um in order to uh thank his base uh he had to go

00:35:33.840 through um the biden administration i think he used the biden administration um like a doormat

00:35:41.280 uh essentially showing up and the biden administration gave him everything he wanted on mill to mill

00:35:47.360 right begging for mill to mill and jim will speak to this in just a moment right on on a fentanyl

00:35:52.800 agreement which is basically a pie crust it's gonna be made for the philosophy let me decode on this

00:35:57.840 mill to mill um i believe what you mean is is better communications between the u.s military and the

00:36:05.520 chinese military out in the south china sea and east china sea so nothing bad happens i think that's what

00:36:10.320 what you're talking about right right uh and then on trade issues and to secure and to keep the

00:36:16.800 investment flowing xi jinping is in trouble he's facing an existential crisis because of uh the because

00:36:23.840 the regime is illegitimate because you've had decades of of uh of tyranny uh so they're in dire economic

00:36:31.920 strengths he needs investment and he needs trade from the west uh which is why he was there to thank his

00:36:37.600 base he was there to thank the billionaires and ensure that they use their political influence

00:36:43.280 uh and sustain the support uh for china also uh to shore up biden because he wants biden or gavin newsom

00:36:52.320 uh to come if biden's not able to uh to make it uh he wants uh either newsom or biden uh in office uh in 25.

00:37:01.040 so it's a wonderful photo op uh uh for uh for both of them uh actually uh at the meeting so he's shoring

00:37:08.480 up biden and newsom and he's um rewarding his base thanking them why is it a good photo op for biden

00:37:18.320 it's a good photo op because he's meeting xi jinping right and they're having um uh they're talking

00:37:23.760 about how they're great friends and that's going to be uh as you well know peter going to be used uh in uh

00:37:30.720 next year as the campaign heats up uh if uh uh biden uh essentially uh stays you think the american

00:37:39.520 public actually think that's a good thing that did biden i think the american people see absolutely see

00:37:45.680 through it uh but there are a lot of different audiences uh to whom biden is speaking and so it's

00:37:51.680 uh it's uh it's going to be uh uh an effort to um uh uh he'll tout it as a to be a feather in his uh

00:37:59.120 in his cap but it was a disastrous meeting it was horrible for the united states for our national

00:38:04.480 security interests it was a disaster it should have never happened no i mean it would be um there was a

00:38:12.160 time where american presidents took american security seriously you know it's within living memory uh

00:38:18.320 actually and uh they would have never have gone through uh this type of uh humiliation uh where

00:38:25.520 um uh really from beginning to end and emperor xi jinping came uh to essentially uh see um uh his uh

00:38:35.760 his supporters so it was a disaster at the same time peter you saw the u.s china economic and security

00:38:42.160 um review commission report that came out on the same day right which said hey the pla is preparing

00:38:50.320 for war xi jinping has told the pla to prepare for war secondly he's prepared chinese society for war

00:38:57.440 and to prepare for hardships uh in the near term uh and lasting and um significant hardships uh in the in

00:39:05.360 the near term and also thirdly that xi uses diplomacy to buy for time right while the military prepares

00:39:12.880 while the squeeze on taiwan the philippines allies and partners and on the u.s um essentially intensifies

00:39:21.120 so you have that surrealistic disconnect disconnect at one time because what you've done is you've

00:39:28.880 given me a beautiful segue to bring in uh jim finnell and jim feel free to uh call up your chart uh from

00:39:37.040 the control room if you want but but jim you know better than anybody the seriousness of the chinese 1.00

00:39:44.640 military threat handicap that for us now go tell the posse what exactly uh we're looking at here and how

00:39:54.160 the common chinese want to kill americans yeah well first of all peter thanks for having having us on 0.99

00:40:02.000 um in terms of this meeting the big announcement for me was that they came out of this and in the and 0.96

00:40:08.560 biden said we have now this new arrangement we're going to resume the military to military cooperation

00:40:15.440 as if that had not been happening for a year because the chinese are the ones that shut it down last august 0.99

00:40:22.320 in uh 2022 when nancy pelosi went as a speaker went to taiwan she was not even there 24 hours

00:40:29.120 and the chinese made a big deal out of that and they said we're cutting off mill-to-mill uh communications

00:40:34.800 and immediately the administration went into this panic mode and they started you know they sent admiral

00:40:41.760 aquilino the commander of indo-pacific command on television uh you know to to say hey i've been trying

00:40:47.920 and they won't talk to us and everyone that went this year blinking and yelling and others carry they

00:40:53.600 all said we we want to open up mill-to-mill relations and secretary of defense austin made

00:40:58.640 similar statements so there was this continuous uh effort to say we have to resume these mill-to-mill

00:41:05.120 relations but if you go back and you look over the last 25 years we've had a number of mill-to-mill

00:41:11.600 relations uh that were you know after chanaman square in 1989 we had the defense consultative

00:41:19.360 talks that started in 1997 with the military maritime consultative agreement that was in 1998

00:41:26.800 then we had the defense policy coordination talks that started in 2005 and went on uninterrupted until

00:41:32.960 that one year break and then you had the code for unplanned encounters at sea or queues

00:41:39.040 it was established in 2014 so at the kind of at the top levels of the office of secretary of defense

00:41:44.560 you had these major connections that had gone on for over 20 years where our military was talking

00:41:50.400 with their military four-star generals four-star admirals speaking with their chinese counterparts

00:41:56.160 and it was also happening inside each of the services so the army the navy the air force the marine

00:42:02.720 corps even the coast guard down as far as you can get at the tactical level it may be at the

00:42:08.400 operational level they were talking with chinese counterparts throughout the year and they've done

00:42:12.320 this for 20 plus years so all of a sudden now we get this you know this no hair the world's on fire

00:42:18.400 because there's a war in ukraine and there's a war in gaza and now all of a sudden having mill-to-mill

00:42:25.280 is the most important thing yet nobody ever said well what happened in those 20 years of those talks

00:42:31.280 well one thing that happened was is that we gave away all of our uh tactics techniques and

00:42:36.560 procedures if you will we told them what was important for war fighting we told them that they

00:42:40.480 needed to have a non-commission or officer corps these things and they gave us nothing and so now

00:42:46.480 we're in this position now where after the trump administration that said hold on a minute uh we

00:42:51.520 can't have this secretary pompeo pompeo called it blind engagement i called it unconstrained and

00:42:58.320 unaccountable engagement so we we stopped that and that you guys did that in the trump years

00:43:03.840 and everybody said oh you're right and there was this talk about a bipartisan consensus about china

00:43:10.480 being a threat to the united states and the department of defense started taking china seriously

00:43:15.680 so what i experienced in 2014 2015 where you were not allowed to talk about china you weren't allowed

00:43:21.760 to provoke china that that changed after trump administration came in and we turned the course

00:43:27.760 of the ship of state if you will well now that's been undone with this meeting and what president

00:43:32.960 biden is now not only does he signal weakness to xi xi ping and the chinese communist party and the

00:43:39.600 central military commission but he also in a way puts doubt inside the depart our department of defense

00:43:46.400 about how strong and how hard can you be against china uh because you have the president now saying hey

00:43:51.680 it's really important that we talk to each other so anybody inside the military today that

00:43:56.720 what doesn't want to talk to china or doesn't want to take them or wants to consider them a threat 0.98

00:44:02.400 they're now going to be kind of suppressed and that's going to make us less prepared and less

00:44:06.880 ready for the conflict that china's actually been preparing for for many many years and they're now in 0.75

00:44:12.800 this what i call this decade of concern you can put up that chart which essentially says the period from

00:44:18.480 2020 to 2030 is the most dangerous time because china unlike many people you hear will say the 1.00

00:44:27.360 the quote-unquote experts will say well china takes the long view they don't want to rush any of this

00:44:32.800 well actually all the chinese leaders and mount since mao zetong have been saying to themselves and

00:44:38.480 inside the chinese literature and to their own people or to their own communist party we have to be

00:44:44.960 restored to be this great power in 2049 we're going to be this comprehensive great power well you

00:44:51.600 cannot become a comprehensive great power without having possession of everything that you say is

00:44:57.680 yours they say taiwan is theirs they say the south china sea is theirs they say the senkakus are theirs

00:45:03.200 they have a bunch of areas on the border with india that they say is theirs they even have disputes

00:45:08.000 with russia and north korea so they say this is all their territory and they're trying to get it through

00:45:14.880 you know many means as possible they got basically the south china sea when obama was president they

00:45:20.560 seized scarborough from the philippines they built seven islands in the spratleys unopposed well they

00:45:27.520 know now that they're probably still going to press taiwan but if they cannot get taiwan without force

00:45:34.080 then they're going to have to use military force and they can't use military force you know in 2040 and

00:45:40.000 expect everybody to come to beijing to have a big ceremony in 2049 so they have this idea that well

00:45:46.720 we use force in 1989 against our own people and the world was shocked about that and they they turned on

00:45:53.840 us and they called us barbarians but then less than 20 years later in 2008 they held the hosted the

00:46:00.400 olympics in 2008 and the whole world came and celebrated china so they know that in about a

00:46:06.240 year period we'll forget everything and if you look at covid they gave they gave us covid they killed

00:46:13.040 millions and we're forgetting about it now so it the bottom line is sometime between 2020 and 2030 and

00:46:20.320 it may be earlier now because of the elections in taiwan and other things that are going on in our

00:46:25.440 domestic politics that the prc may end up using military force to take taiwan and what we just

00:46:33.200 tell me give me your quick view of how effective uh the chinese military has become there was a

00:46:41.600 interesting article in the economist last week basically questioning the combat readiness of communist

00:46:48.800 china because they they weren't battle hardened um tell me how formal a foe you think they would be 1.00

00:46:57.520 um basically fighting in their own backyard against say the u.s navy yeah they're incredibly uh capable

00:47:07.520 so for 25 years they've been building what they call a counter intervention force a force to design

00:47:14.880 to keep the united states military out of the western pacific so the big threat from the u.s is

00:47:22.240 our aircraft carriers and our submarines and our bombers and guam and in that and we have a force

00:47:28.720 that's in always living in the far east but they expect us to be able to fight our way in and be able to

00:47:34.880 defeat an invasion force well the counter intervention strategy that the chinese military developed over the

00:47:41.280 last 25 years was essentially building platforms ships submarines aircraft and shore-based bomb uh

00:47:50.240 rocket forces that are designed to sink and destroy an invasion or account uh the u.s pacific fleet and

00:47:57.840 u.s pacific air forces that would come in from hawaiian guam so they designed capabilities to destroy guam

00:48:04.720 so no bombers or aircraft could land and service there they've designed missiles ballistic missiles

00:48:10.480 to sink aircraft carriers the df-21 d the df-26 they have all of their mainline surface combatants

00:48:19.600 and their submarines have anti-ship cruise missiles that have longer range than united states navy 300

00:48:25.920 kilometers uh supersonic uh they've also now fielded hypersonic weapons and then they have as i said the

00:48:32.960 shore-based uh rocket forces and what what what are what should we be doing that we're not doing both

00:48:40.560 with respect to safety of our military but also in defending helping taiwan defend itself what what

00:48:50.720 should we be doing what's it's on your checklist the first 10 things you'd like to see a new president

00:48:56.480 do in 2025 well the first thing i would do chime in here if you want yeah let me just couple seconds

00:49:04.320 and i'll turn over to you brett the first thing i would do immediately was to start deploying u.s

00:49:09.840 forces to taiwan we need to be there on the ground and use our presence as a leverage to deter china 1.00

00:49:17.360 because they're going to have to go back to the drawing board and think about it do we really want

00:49:20.480 to invade if the united states has military forces there because now we won't just be attacking taiwan

00:49:26.320 we'll be attacking american forces did taiwan would welcome that uh well at some point they're going

00:49:34.080 to have to because it's becoming increasingly clear to the taiwan uh people uh that china's threatening 0.99

00:49:40.000 them you know from 19 uh from the from the 50s until just uh three or four years ago about a 60 year

00:49:47.440 period chinese fighters never crossed the center line in the across the taiwan strait except for four

00:49:53.520 occasions in 60 years now in the last two years they're crossing hundreds of the time uh in the

00:50:01.280 in the last year and they're just multiple every day there's fighters and other aircraft that are

00:50:06.400 crossing that center line they're operating aircraft carriers on the east coast of taiwan they're

00:50:11.280 threatening taiwan they're circling the noose or you can say an anaconda they're squeezing taiwan out 0.84

00:50:17.520 and besides putting american troops in harm's way which uh we've done quite enough of that for decades

00:50:26.240 what what else can we do well it's going to take time but we need to start what they did in the

00:50:33.920 1940s a two ocean uh navy act we need to build up the fleet we need to build up our air forces which

00:50:40.080 means there's going to have to be a battle royale on capitol hill about the budget and you know we're

00:50:46.000 spending a lot of money on a lot of things that aren't really necessary to our national security

00:50:51.440 but having a fleet and an air force that can essentially make sure that we cannot be pushed

00:50:57.120 out of or destroyed out of the the western pacific and the pacific writ large threatening hawaii

00:51:03.040 threatening our west coast we need to have that and we don't have that let me let's do this because

00:51:08.000 we've only got a minute or so left i want to give brad uh or how can people get a hold of you what's your

00:51:13.920 social media stuff i'm in bradley theron getter and bradley fear and truth and and uh brad theron um

00:51:23.760 on uh on x okay um take uh take uh 30 seconds wrap it up for me and then i gotta wrap the show up brad

00:51:34.320 what what what's your top of your list jim's right that we're now look there's so much to do on the

00:51:41.040 military front and jim's right and the nuclear aspect i would add to that as well right that

00:51:45.840 as admiral richard said their growth in the nuclear capabilities have been breathtaking

00:51:50.000 we haven't matched that in terms of missile defenses as well uh hypersonic defenses but look

00:51:56.240 go to the center of gravity cut the head off the snake kill the ccp that's the point yeah right wage 1.00

00:52:03.840 political warfare on them because they are an illegitimate regime they know they're illegitimate 0.99

00:52:09.520 we need to treat them uh uh in that manner uh they are illegitimate that means no meetings with 0.94

00:52:16.320 them treat them the way we treated apartheid south africa right they were beyond the pale uh and work 0.99

00:52:23.040 with the diaspora and people of goodwill around the world uh to undermine them within china and outside of

00:52:30.560 it don't give them the time of day don't reward them don't fund them for pete's sake right the first

00:52:36.880 rule of strategy is don't fund your enemies i'm gonna have to say goodbye to you guys uh two of my

00:52:43.200 favorites i think the two very best analysts we have out there in parts of the communist china you

00:52:49.040 guys keep doing what you're doing jim we'll see you uh sometime uh across the pond and brad we'll see

00:52:55.840 you in the swamp take care gentlemen thanks peter thanks very much yes thank you all right uh 30 seconds

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WarRoom Battleground EP 418： Creating An America First Administration

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