WarRoom Battleground EP 468: Voter Integrity In Maine; Never Ask Why
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On today's show, we have an update on the vote in the sun on the pipeline bill, and a look at what s going on in the Senate regarding the pipeline and the theft of funds from the pipeline.
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this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just
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like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is
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the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's
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your host stephen k bannon okay wednesday 7 february year of lord 2024 uh the winds just keep on coming
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to war posse let's not get too cocky but this vote in the sun has been over since 3 30 grace will get
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me any update i need but just a couple things igor bob is reporting cornyn this is cornyn to texas
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says republicans want an agreement for votes on border related amendments to the supplemental that
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means if they approved ukraine israel taiwan it's really about ukraine um and possibly folks
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have you gotten in people's grill the right way because i'm gonna i i'm gonna frame what i'm about
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to read next this is from cornyn not exactly maga right one one of the big deal makers up there
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cornyn says republicans want an agreement for votes on border related amendments to the supplemental
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and quote possibly some related to the way that ukraine money also in israel money is distributed
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there are some concerns about who might get their hands on it that has nothing to do with israel
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that's 100 the deal with zelinski in this situation we've been reporting on for weeks and weeks and
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weeks you have really gotten these guys face and had an impact cornyn and these guys who just want
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the money to go right are now saying you know we may have to have some tweaks here about who actually
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gets their hands on it because there's been stealing as we told you seymour hirsch who maybe is
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not the most reliable narrator all the time but they haven't they haven't come back and ever really
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refuted systematically his about the pipeline we said it was the cia and ukraine intelligence
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he's saying that the head of the cia flew over months ago to have a confrontation with zelinski and
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said look dude you guys are stealing so much money and it's your people telling the media remember the
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the economist uh interview that huge during the economist it wasn't just the the general that
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he's trying to fire now saying hey we're kind of at a standstill a stalemate is what he said
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zelinski went nuts it was the other guy he says he went down to his office and he asked him the
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economist reporter said hey can you tell me about corruption and stealing guy go hang on for a
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second hang on a second uh let me close my door and he says hey everybody at the senior level has got
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their hands in both and pulling it out and so obvious and so grotesque that the people of ukraine
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are worried for their country about america cutting them off who forced this if you hadn't
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gotten up on the ramparts folks because this is all about you if you hadn't gotten up on the ramparts
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none of this would have happened now you have cornine who would send that money over immediately you
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know we possibly need a couple tweaks maybe to kind of find out where this thing is anyway that's in
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hang fire we're going to go back to the senate in a moment uh chris murray really dumping on mcconnell
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he's saying uh because mcconnell didn't even vote for the bill the first time around i said he didn't
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just bless the deal he wrote the deal they're calling out mcconnell right now said don't don't
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throw langford under the bus and back it up over him it was your deal he said that that mcconnell this
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is a quote from from murphy who's really hot who really wanted this because he wants the ukraine money
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he said uh that his people were in the room every day that they were the lead negotiators in this is
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chris murray of uh that mccosby were in the room every single day okay you got naomi wolf a big
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victory for naomi day we're gonna get to that about voter integrity mike you were just on a rift on uh
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but you know i'm thinking of the war room posse may put up naomi wolf for head of the rnc she's on fire
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right now on voter integrity that mike that's what's all about isn't that true i mean the president trump's
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got a i'm i'm gonna get into more of this about tomorrow later because you got nancy play get everybody
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they're going nuts trump is intruding himself trump is doing this trump's hey he was the president
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he then got the thing stolen you got a usurper he leads the biggest movement probably in american
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political history he's up by 10 points on biden of course he's going to have an opinion it's not
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like these are marginal issues it's the security of the southern border immigration which i think we
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ran on and it's everything about this geopolitical war we got with the ccp and the muslim brother and all
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that which trump had peace he might have an opinion that of course he's going to say something
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and of course the people he put in office are going to respond to it it's absurd oh he's supposed to sit
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in a corner be quiet like joe biden no he's not going to do that lindell aren't okay let me just be
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blunt and i i may i may nominate naomi wolf on this show just to just to irk her old friends if not
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that but the naomi klein the stalker she'll she'll go nuts she's put up he's put up naomi wolf to be head
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of the rnc the fascist party um lindell do you agree with me and look i love president trump but
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president trump's got the way the world has shown us he didn't have time to deal with the rnc
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the guy's got so much going on the trump put him in jail for 700 years you got the the the appellate
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court rules for the first time in american history a guy can't even go on bank if you go on bank or
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start the clock they're gonna go to trial next week you must go to the supreme court and you must ask
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for an emergency meeting i mean who does that right he can't he didn't have time to worry about
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the rnc we got to do that you got to take ronna mcdaniel out with a trenching tool do you agree
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it's going to have to happen she's going around the country now she's hold it the email said she's
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i thought i was reading mike lindell's a daily log it was like she's missed voter integrity she's
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going to go around check every no she's going to go around check every mail-in box around the country
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sir oh good for her good for her she's a little too late way too late ronna and i i will tell
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the the new york times all these outlets have been calling me all day long um and they say well mike
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what do you would you run for rnc uh and they're asking me all different things but one of the
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things they asked me well donald trump wants this person or this one for the rnc i said i said you know
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what i don't all i know is whoever gets to run for the rnc they have to have the number one priority
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is securing our election platform securing our elections that's it and they said well what if
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donald trump picks this person that doesn't have that i said i would go completely against him on
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that we have to this is are the number one problem of the rnc and it has to be secured now the donors
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would come back if they uh if they knew they were securing our biggest problem which is our elections
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that is bar none the biggest problem everything else is a manifestation from that if you showed
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if you showed if you showed the war and posse who has cut them off that's why they have no small
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donors if you showed the war and posse that you were serious about making sure the election was not
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stolen the money would flood in it's not even a question it's all about they're not going to give
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their money to people they don't think seriously right and if you're proactive on securing the
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elections you know i've uh you know i told the they said the uh the the new york times they said
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mike would you run for rnc chair again i said no i'm doing everything they should have been doing that
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that rana should have been doing we are securing our elections i have to stay hyper focused on that
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and that's what we're going to do the rnc the money would pour in if they knew they were securing our
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elections and actually caring about the playing field they're playing on you know all this other money
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that was spent frivolously and all this stuff that's meaningless it doesn't matter if you're
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if you're playing on a field when you're on offense you're going straight up you know i mean it's such
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a common sense thing here it's like any businessman would say hey we've got to be playing on the same
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field here we should put our money into securing our elections because everything else comes from
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that you're out there you campaign and you spend hundreds of millions of dollars on tv and stuff
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where uh you're spending it all out there but you're field you're playing like this all you got
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to do is level the field and donald trump will win by 75 percent probably in the country i mean if you
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really had a secure election it would be a landslide bigger than ronald reagan
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naomi jump in here now because normally you're here to help us with vaccines or the or the or all these
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laws and whr everything trying to take our sovereignty you now get something very focused on uh on this um
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on um uh the voter integrity walk through what happened today and why is this such a big deal
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okay fine i got mike this is rebooter we got naomi wolf just rebooted while we're doing that mike
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why don't you tell tell us about my store people want to know about it yeah naomi froze
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mike's first it's all for us that's okay can i still talk i got plenty to talk about okay people
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now people on the senate floor people on the senate floor let me know when somebody's back up
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the ever-efficient lindell tv by the way lou dobbs follows us tonight and of course we've got uh we're
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going to have captain finnell captain jim finnell he's going to join us later program with dr bradley
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thayer we got to talk about the ccp we're going to get into much of that because there hasn't been
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enough focus okay listen do we have mike lindell mike lindell back mike talk to me about and you
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out there and and hopefully help the new head of the rnc secure this election in 2024 mike lindell
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honored to have you on here brother c tomorrow morning mike lindell my pillow.com
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thanks brother also the entrepreneur becca lindell tv we're glad to do this hour
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we're doing lindell tv naomi wolf you're now in the fight naomi you may be my dark horse candidate i
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got a couple three i'm looking at but i'm gonna give you the long we're gonna give you a long look
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here to be chairman of the rnc that'll shake up your stalker naomi wolf or naomi of klein will be in
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total meltdown will she not no doubt no doubt um we can think of all kinds of fun ways to you know
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have victory after victory and annoy our enemies um well let's let me go right if i may to uh this
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incredible victory which i'm so happy to be able to um share with the posse because they were so
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important in in attaining it um the the bill that we have which is the clean elections election
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integrity bill uh it solves 10 huge problems that um that have been identified by pioneers like mike
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lindell i really want to credit him and so many other people who've been in the trenches identifying
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what's wrong with our our voting system um you know his focus has been so assertively on machines
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and i actually asked my developer um is is it easy to attack these machines or to ruin the outcome of
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these machines and i wrote an essay about this it's so easy including giving the credentials
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of the back end to any random person in you know serbia or china or wherever that we literally
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can't know who won any election that's been digitally scanned since the machines were introduced in about
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2005 um so it's huge but it's not just the machines that this bill fixes it's also it addresses
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ballot harvesting it makes sure that you have to present um evidence that you are a u.s citizen
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when you go to vote um voter id it's same day voting uh if there's an absentee ballot the elector
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has to affirmatively request it it has to be witnessed with someone who will sign his or her name
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his own or her own witness name and address and document that this is actually the person
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um so many uh public counting paper ballots as i mentioned um you know taking us back to
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the good old days when we knew who won the elections and we can we could verify them um and
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there are states like new hampshire i gather that have a lot of these measures and the outcome is
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never in doubt of the vote in new hampshire so uh at least according to state legislators with whom
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i've been in touch there so this is an incredibly exciting bill and again huge kudos to all the
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pioneers who worked so hard to figure out what was wrong with our system and they're they're on both
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sides of the aisle i want to credit mark crispin miller too who's been uh trying to sound the
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alarm about problems with the voting system you know for decades now so we've taken this fantastic
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i think fantastic bill it's 19 pages long it's on daily clouds website you can read it it's so simple
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you can download it as a pdf you can download it as a word document and you can send it to your
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election official or to your representative so the huge news i have to share is not only have i been
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invited by representative uh tim salazar sorry state senator tim salazar in wyoming and i'm going um next
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week uh to talk to him and to his colleagues um in wyoming to pass this bill but we've made history
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today because um main representative heidi sampson a republican um but more importantly a friend of uh our
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our our our democracy our republic i should say she has submitted your bill posse this is your bill
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you made this happen um to the revisor's office in maine which is the first step of getting it into
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where it can be voted on and passed into law uh she sat down i'm so proud to say this there she is
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right there with one of the lawyers who crafts the language um in the revisor's office and this is a
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normal part of the process and he said quote this is very comprehensive you've pulled everything
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together we'll draft a summary and we'll get it to you end quote so everyone who knows this space
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so far who's looked at this bill says it's a comprehensive bill it's it's a good bill uh and
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it's a non-partisan bill anyone can use it and so then the bill is in the pipeline so i just want
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to take a minute if i may to explain to people what happens next because um it you know we we're
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encouraged to not know how to pass our own legislation is that okay uh steve yeah sure
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okay great well so then from there it goes before in maine the legislative council and the legislative
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council which is made up of uh republicans and democrats has to approve um the bill to be submitted
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and reported for hearing or at that point they could choose to reject it so this is another big
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date on the 22nd or 23rd of this month um how you samson will go represent samson will go before
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the legislative council to present her case and explain why this bill needs to be heard now so
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i'm really talking to maine right now i'm talking to the state of maine maine and if you have friends
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in maine if you don't live in maine send this to them wake up maine please we need you to contact
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the legislative council and the link i'll send it to your producer steve i'll send it to grace i'll
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send it to cameron um tell them that this bill should go ahead at that point the council will vote
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up or down on whether or not it goes forward if it goes forward it gets to a committee then there's a
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public hearing this is the part you see in the movies an expert testimony and everyone's an expert
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on why our system is horrible and needs to be cleaned up then a work session in which the
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committee would vote to go forward or not is convened if a unanimous vote does not kill it it
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goes to the floor of the house for debate and a vote and then it goes to the senate if both chambers
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vote yes twice it is a law the governor can veto it but in maine when the governor vetoes a bill the
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republicans can prevent them presumably the democrats can as well by coming back into session
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and if two-thirds of the body um at that point two-thirds of the body have to agree with the
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governor um for the veto to stand so the veto can be overridden by uh by the the house essentially
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um republicans are minorities in the house and senate in maine however everybody wants this
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you know like the citizens want it and so it's going to be very very interesting what i love about
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this bill in this fight is you know what i'm going to say steve let's see who wants to stand
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and oppose the will of the american people and explain why every person's vote shouldn't be
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accurately counted it'll really smoke out who believes in the voice of the people and who
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doesn't um and there's going to be a rally or march in march or april and that is where things stand
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good okay we just had uh naomi take us through how a bill becomes a law in maine kind of the mr smith
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goes to bangor or augustine i think it may be uh mr smith goes to buscott and we're watching how a
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bill becomes a law on the senate floor where they can't get the vote so they just kept a vote open
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for four hours and they're behind twisting arms behind closed doors you get the two versions right
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there the main version and you get the movie version and then you get the you get the reality
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of mitch mcconnell chuck schumer naomi fantastic work uh where do people go to get all this and also i
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got to have you back who of course ed dowd's excess deaths more analysis coming on that shocking i got
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to get you back on the next couple days about all of that where do people go right now though to
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explore this and to support you and to make sure they're making calls up in maine absolutely go to
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dailyclout.io download the bill it's right there um on the side of the home page um and you can
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literally download it and share it send it to your um state rep this is a state level bill um and
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especially maine this you know maine and wyoming are where we're starting but wherever you live you
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want to send this to your um elected officials and ask them to sponsor it okay that's what we need to
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do now and then let me know what's going on and i'll keep shining a light on your state you know
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putting good pressure on your state um and we need your help of course because this is all very
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expensive as usual um but it's it's your uh donations posse that got us to this point let
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us pay our lawyers i want to credit the american voters alliance as well and phil klein um so please
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keep helping us because the big battle is now and we've got this legislative session to pass this bill
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in all 50 states perfect uh great and we're going to get you by the way remember her journey she was
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doing this because of the mass mandates and everything she said hey this system is not exactly working
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like the american people think it is maybe i'll get involved naomi you're a warrior thank you so
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much for doing this look forward to having you back on here make sure everybody goes in their day you
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got to see this bill this is your work i'm getting tired of winning i want to go lisa de jordan de
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jordan de jordan she's one of the best reporters up on capitol hill for pbs but she's good quote for
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those looking for a senate for senate tea leaves for what it's worth i'm heading home to cover this from
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home for the rest of the night so either a deal is imminent imminent because i'm jinxed or it will
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be a while as i guess the vote is open they're losing 58 41 they gotta get the 60 they're twisting
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arms and talking now people are saying hey we want to keep we want to add other amendments on other
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topics it's a fiasco and here's the reason is this audience you put your shoulder to the wheel
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historical win early in the day i think now just on the ukraine funding and the foreign you know the
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ukraine israel in taiwan it's really about ukraine i think that's already failed they haven't called
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the vote they've kept it open they're twisting arms at amendments we're going to give you updates on
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everything that's going on oscar del gato joins us oscar is the producer and the creator of amazing
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film on saint michael we had him on i don't know a while ago this film is now winning awards brother
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tell us about the films the awards you're winning and where people can go see this film right now
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because it was stunning uh i know we said box office records for the one day you had in theaters
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what's going on it's been amazing first first of all i want to thank the posse because if it wasn't for
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them to make this film forward it would not have uh happened so yeah winning awards it's going to be
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on amazon prime starting on march 1st and the reason is that this works well is because there's an
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understanding your audience that this is a supernatural battle you have always discussed that steve and you
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know you talk about the fights that we're doing right now on the floor and everything but saint
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michael god has given us saint michael to fight and so we need to invoke saint michael he is the warrior
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you're you're called war room okay who is the leader of the war room yes you have christ but then we have
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saint michael god has given us saint michael and this film talks about that we need to invoke him to fight
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the army of darkness we are dealing with the army of darkness and now we need uh the leader of the army
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of light and that's why we have saint michael and so if you go saint michael movie dot com you'll have
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the trailer but you'll also be able to you know have an understanding of why christ brought these
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angels around us to fight these demons i mean every day thank god for you thank god for the war room
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hey welcome back uh thank you obviously this has been a very historic day a real firefight going on
00:31:50.880
um throughout the day appreciate you guys hanging in there remember we here at the war we don't commit
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to have you have the best seat in the house we commit to make you sure that you're in the ring
00:32:02.480
in a participant you're you're the protagonist driving the action here want to bring in now
00:32:08.880
want to make sure people understand something you know a couple years ago we started the show in
00:32:12.680
2019 i think september october about the about the impeachment but we flipped in um in uh january 2020
00:32:21.920
to worm a pandemic part of the show one hour and then we went to all two hours in three hours um
00:32:28.500
shortly thereafter it's around chinese new years we are going to be commemorating celebrating chinese
00:32:34.200
new years here this weekend i think on friday so we did chinese new year of 2020 well the very first
00:32:40.740
things we talked to or brought to people's attentions was supply chains kind of not really understood by
00:32:46.320
most people in the united states and our audience became experts because they had rosemary gibson on
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that brilliant book that showed you that the chinese communist party had control over the
00:32:54.640
supply chains on basically our medical supplies and particularly active pharmaceutical ingredients
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api 100 generic drugs almost 100 the ones made in india all the apis made in china jace medical
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two guests are going to make sure they reemphasize as they do every day of their professional lives
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the chinese communist party will use anything available to get leverage over the united states
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of america they are the existential threat not just to the chinese people to lao bai jing
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but also to the united states of america and the american lao bai jing which are the deplorables
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you make your own decisions but go check it out today dr sean those guys done a great job
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uh amazing new book uh captain finnell and uh and bradley thayer are going to join us the
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legendary captain finnell and our own dr bradley thayer i wanted to have you guys on here because
00:33:59.580
we're going to start doing this on a more regular basis with you too captain finnell i'll start with
00:34:03.160
you the the reason is we're having this huge fight today over over ukraine and over israel that's
00:34:12.260
what i talked about the taiwan piece is just an afterthought that's just that's just tossed in and of
00:34:16.360
course we're having this whole battle on the border and we're adamant about we can't just look at these
00:34:21.000
individual bills and particularly we can't look at them clean it's a disaster but i think people are
00:34:25.200
losing and they kind of tell how taiwan's just kind of a it's just a taste they throw on there and they
00:34:30.840
never talk about it i want you guys and particularly what's happened here recently not just the dinner in
00:34:36.560
san francisco where the traders you know rewarded xi with this great uh celebration commemoration
00:34:42.360
but what jake sullivan's doing i think uh our audience which is the best about this with
00:34:49.360
everything going on maybe doesn't understand that this whole power struggle in this third world war
00:34:56.040
is really the chinese communist party versus the judeo-christian west led by the united states of
00:35:02.040
america captain james for now well thanks for having us on steve and yeah i mean we are facing
00:35:09.100
a regime the chinese communist party that's committed to uh the destruction of the united
00:35:14.940
states of america and our our system of government uh the constitution our declaration and the individual
00:35:23.180
freedoms and liberties that we stand for and have attracted so many people from around the world
00:35:28.680
for the last 250 years and the chinese communist party is a communist regime and i'll let brad talk more
00:35:36.360
about that but this regime has put in place a system that is saying that they want to be in charge of
00:35:42.940
running the world and so they put their chinese characteristics on communism but it is a bare knuckles
00:35:49.620
regime that's going to do anything in their power to be able to achieve what they believe is their rightful
00:35:56.680
place to be running the system and when you do that it's kind of like a mafia thing you know i can't
00:36:02.860
i can't uh be a mafia don if i have other mafia mafia gangs exist in the same city so i have to exterminate
00:36:10.740
them and so that's kind of what the chinese are doing and they've been very successful of basically
00:36:16.200
co-opting uh our leaders over the last 40 50 years uh taking advantage of our uh uh you know people that
00:36:27.400
wanted to engage with the prc uh for their own avarice or or own ideological views and then they
00:36:34.240
uh sought to make us think that they weren't as strong as they really were and so we write in the
00:36:39.260
book about what we call threat deflation and so over the last 40 or 50 years our national security
00:36:44.160
community instead of recognizing this threat uh chose to downplay the threat uh for a lot of reasons
00:36:50.640
and the book explains that a lot of it is we were preoccupied in the middle east but some of it is
00:36:56.100
from an ideological perspective uh and we now find ourselves in a position of uh being behind the
00:37:03.640
eight ball if you will or in navy aviation terms we're behind the power curve we can't we can't recover
00:37:10.540
from this if we don't action okay this talk this gets to the heart of it you talk about engagement
00:37:16.700
versus decoupling or jason what's happened here recently this conference in san francisco in san
00:37:22.700
diego i want to get people up to speed before i bring dr thayer in and and this was not with
00:37:29.240
political party both political parties are guilty of this in this concept now we talk about engagement
00:37:35.280
versus decoupling jake selvin just went out to san diego and i know most people missed this in our
00:37:39.980
audience what happened there he went to this conference this is just a couple weeks ago in the
00:37:43.780
middle of everything else going on where we do all understand what the is as you so rightfully say
00:37:50.720
all the time keep the main thing the main thing what did jake sullivan do as representative of the
00:37:56.240
united states of the current biden regime right so we had this election for a president in taiwan
00:38:04.200
on the 13th of january and the people of taiwan said we want to choose somebody that's not going to
00:38:10.540
knuckle under and accept rule by the chinese communist party so they elected uh uh this uh
00:38:17.100
president elect uh lie who's a member of the democratic progressive party uh that party has
00:38:23.000
been a little bit more vocal over the years over the last 15 years about not wanting to be part of the
00:38:28.180
chinese communist party so what happened was the biden administration deployed out to taipei the week
00:38:34.140
after the election two former uh uh you know officials uh republican and democrat james steinberg
00:38:41.820
and stephen hadley uh that had been involved in the bush administration and the obama administrations
00:38:46.840
and he sent them out there to basically meet with president-elect lie and in my conversations with
00:38:52.860
people from taiwan it was very clear that the message that the biden administration sent to this new
00:38:58.520
president of taiwan which was basically sit down shut up and don't provoke beijing which is the same
00:39:04.440
kind of message that the obama era had the obama administration and clearly even the bush administration
00:39:10.040
did this in 2004 when former assistant secretary of state for asia east asia pacific affairs tom christensen
00:39:17.640
made a public speech in annapolis in 2004 and told then president chen chui bien to sit down shut up and
00:39:24.240
don't provoke china so that's been our consistent bipartisan message to the people of taiwan don't
00:39:29.700
provoke china after that those series of meetings they came back to the united states and then out at
00:39:38.360
uc san diego they hosted jake sullivan the national security advisor stephen hadley and a group there
00:39:45.780
susan shirk and others that run the china center there and they hosted uh sullivan and he gave a speech and
00:39:52.900
he basically said you know we have more in common with china and we need to really work with them
00:39:57.640
and this approach that the trump administration had was you know yeah there's something that we
00:40:02.940
have competition in and we have to be concerned about but mostly let's try to get along with them
00:40:06.960
because we have more important things like climate change and and the things of that nature there was
00:40:12.060
nothing addressed about covid and the chinese responsibility for that there was nothing addressed about
00:40:16.800
the military uh threats that china places on taiwan and japan and the philippines our allies
00:40:22.860
every day that have increased since biden's been in office so none of that was mentioned
00:40:27.800
only the really the theme of it and it's it's in a nuanced language so people i recommend people go to
00:40:33.440
the whitehouse.gov and just look up sullivan speech at uc san diego and read his words don't take my
00:40:40.780
words for it read what he said and read the nuanced language and they're pushing the same agenda of
00:40:47.240
engagement that we've had for the last since 1978 that kissinger brought in uh from his meetings and
00:40:53.820
the switch that we made in 78 from taiwan to beijing and we have basically said we want to engage
00:40:59.940
and we were told that if we did that things would get better and demonstrably provably things are worse
00:41:06.380
today in asia because of that engagement and only in trump's administration did we actually question
00:41:12.740
that thesis and started to make some movements away from that uh i want to get if uh memphis uh can put
00:41:21.840
the cover of the book up because this book is uh one of the most profound i mean uh people should know
00:41:26.980
for the uh in the anti-ccp community the people that that have fought this fight for decades uh captain
00:41:33.540
finnell is a revered figure that actually sacrificed his career to tell the truth to the american people
00:41:39.400
dr thayer you you also put a frame in here that i want to make sure the framing of this
00:41:44.340
because a lot of people have um not just forgotten about the politics of power but the accused mag all
00:41:52.760
the time i was in the wall street journal quoted this morning about tucker uh and tucker being actually
00:41:57.940
interviewing putin and being in russia and about the america first movement we're not an isolationist
00:42:03.040
movement we're an america first move it's quite different we understand that the world is in a
00:42:07.780
interconnected but we want to interconnected by nation states not not this pan transnational
00:42:14.340
globalism that the chinese communist party is pushing what you keep talking about people have
00:42:18.940
to understand this is about power politics this is about power we have to get we have to get back
00:42:23.980
to start thinking about uh how you confront a a power that's trying to uh trying to become hegemonic
00:42:30.560
what do you mean by that well steve it's great to join you and and of course with jim finnell and i would
00:42:36.500
just echo that jim is a hero uh who's uh sacrificed so much to call attention to the prc threat uh and
00:42:44.680
the evil of the chinese communist party uh so what i mean by that is the approach of power politics which
00:42:50.780
is the recognition that um states have self-interest that they need to pursue uh in international politics
00:42:58.720
and that's principally to ensure their own security um uh in a very dangerous environment in a hobbesian
00:43:06.320
world uh and so what they need to do is focus on their own interests and be very concerned about their
00:43:13.640
own hard power uh and the importance of relative power to ensure that the u.s for example uh stays ahead
00:43:22.780
of china in relative power now the chinese are communists so they're very well adverse in power
00:43:29.240
politics as all leninists are uh they understand this from uh the outset it's the definition really
00:43:36.760
of the chinese communist party so what they're looking at is the ways that they can use every means at
00:43:44.420
their disposal um individuals within the united states their own tools to hurt the united states in the
00:43:51.980
effort to destroy it to eliminate it as the dominant state of course but to ensure that it's subjected to
00:43:58.540
uh their control to their rule so it's a very important point uh uh for the audience uh to appreciate
00:44:06.300
they're our enemy there's no ambiguity about that they the ccp xi jinping uh their leader see us uh as their
00:44:16.800
enemy and they're doing their utmost uh to uh destroy us now with their downturn in their economy
00:44:25.060
uh there's some significant danger here for us broadly downturn in the in the prc's economy is a
00:44:32.980
good thing for the united states again if we see the world through relative power things that weaken
00:44:39.280
the chinese communist party are going to be good for us however because we've been following for a
00:44:45.860
generation the flawed policy the dangerous strategy of engagement right not focusing on relative power
00:44:53.700
but thinking the way economists do the way wall street does the way businesses do in terms of absolute
00:45:00.140
gains right as smith identified adam smith identified the benefits of trade right both of us will gain from
00:45:07.820
it uh they've been focused on absolute gains so the cost of that is we're inter we have this engagement
00:45:14.900
commitment with uh the chinese communist party as they go into an economic depression right that's
00:45:21.800
going to hurt our businesses obviously who are so closely tied to uh the people's republic of china
00:45:29.540
moreover because xi jinping understands power politics right he thinks like a communist because he is a
00:45:37.620
communist right he's recognizing that he's going to do his utmost if he's going down
00:45:42.980
just as they did with covid right to use every means at their disposal to hurt us whether that's
00:45:50.020
destroying factories chip production facilities in taiwan other means the fifth column that they're
00:45:55.540
penetrating into the u.s you'll want to keep that in mind so let's keep the parallel between covid
00:46:01.580
where what they did is they stopped travel within china steve you know this very well in january of
00:46:09.380
2020 we were on uh discussing this issue where they restricted travel from wuhan and they did that
00:46:16.340
dramatically however they allowed international travel from wuhan to the rest of the uh the rest
00:46:22.900
of the world because they wanted the virus to spread so they took an outbreak that could have been
00:46:28.340
contained and turned it into a pandemic okay because if china was good if the prc was going to suffer they
00:46:35.300
were going to make sure the rest of the world did too uh again with that great sensitivity to relative
00:46:42.020
power so with this downturn in the economy uh there's considerable danger not just because of the foolish
00:46:49.940
practices of engagement uh and the consequences of that but also because he's going to want to tear our
00:46:57.620
arm off uh as his economy weakens so it's a very dangerous situation let me go back i want to go
00:47:06.420
back since dr theers brought up again this engagement captain finnell you gave this obviously historic
00:47:12.820
speech uh that essentially a lot of people that are close to you and others that are in this field
00:47:18.260
say you sacrifice your career to warn the american people looking at the jake sullivans the university
00:47:24.100
in california san diego the people that went to the san francisco let's assume just for purposes
00:47:28.340
this conversation that they are also american patriots also and they're trying to look out for
00:47:33.380
the best interest of the country our group you and community on the present danger and others myself
00:47:39.300
and certain people at the white house around president trump have a diametrically different view
00:47:44.500
of the ccp and how to handle them can you just explain to our audience what is the difference
00:47:49.060
between what i would say are the hardliners versus the accommodationist or the the coupling and how
00:47:55.140
this plays into this concept called the thucydides trap we have about five minutes i would love for you
00:48:00.980
to just walk our audience through that sure i mean there's over the last 50 years this group of what
00:48:07.460
we call the kissinger school of engagement it was generated i think you know as americans were
00:48:13.620
uh especially during that period of the you know post-world war ii environment where we were kind of
00:48:20.180
you know didn't really have any peer competitors except of the soviet union and they went away but
00:48:24.820
we had this idea that if we could talk to people we had you know presidents that would say that if you
00:48:30.180
just let me talk to you and explain things that we can get along and so we kind of naively as as
00:48:35.220
brad mentioned we forgot about at the end of the day people become very uh focused on power and survival
00:48:43.540
and so the communist regime in beijing they have to stay in power and in order to stay in power
00:48:48.820
they have to convince our people that they're bringing them uh improvement and benefits and so
00:48:53.540
there's a lot of people in the u.s that you know went to china and said well if i talk to them about
00:48:59.140
you know establishing law in china uh that we can establish the rule of law or if we go there and we
00:49:06.180
talk to them about uh economics and we can get investment there that'll be beneficial to our companies
00:49:11.700
it'll be beneficial to the consumers in china it'll be a win-win situation the same thing in the
00:49:18.420
national security arena if our militaries and their militaries talk and we have these uh ability to
00:49:24.420
communicate with each other we can avoid a crisis and so every facet of of national power across the
00:49:32.180
board across the spectrum our government was led by people that believe this uh it was in contravention
00:49:38.980
in a way to what we had learned with the soviet union but in but still we said we wanted to you
00:49:45.140
know try to engage with the prc because they were helping us against the soviet union uh theoretically
00:49:50.420
back in the 70s and you know we have people like bob gates the former secretary of defense who
00:49:55.140
had gone to china and looked at our uh us they're training chinese people on how to read telemetry
00:50:01.460
so that the chinese could help us provide warning on soviet ballistic missile launches so there was
00:50:06.420
some initial uh benefits if you will but over time this uh mindset became entrenched and it became so
00:50:14.740
entrenched that you couldn't challenge it and and i saw that in my career you could never ask why are
00:50:20.020
we doing this why are we inviting the chinese navy to the rim of the pacific naval exercise in hawaii what's
00:50:26.900
the benefit and the benefit was always answered and well we'll uh they'll see how we operate we'll
00:50:32.100
see how they operate and we'll we'll lower the tensions and as i said that never really happened
00:50:38.100
and so there was another group of us that said hey we're failing here we're getting behind they're
00:50:44.500
learning from us they're learning like right now they have a third aircraft carrier that's got
00:50:49.460
electromagnetic aircraft launch system the latest very latest technology that they stole from us
00:50:55.860
it's on our uss for gerald ford and they've skipped a generation they're going to go from
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catapults to electromagnetic launches for aircraft on a jet aircraft uh without having doing steam that
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we did for a hundred years so they've been able to take advantage of our generosity uh they've built
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up a bigger navy a bigger yeah bigger rocket we've we've we've got a heart out here as the lou
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dobbs show starts real quickly where do they get the book i want everybody to start to pre-order this
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book you're going to be at cpac you're going to be back here tomorrow night on the six o'clock hour
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before lou dobbs where do people get the book right now it's it's on it's with sky horse publishing
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and it's on amazon and all the other major book uh publishers are listing this book so just google in
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the name embracing communist china and our last names and you'll you'll be able to find it at a
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book dealer that you prefer dr thayer your social media you're pretty active where do people go
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uh to bradley thayer at getter or truth and brad thayer uh at x and and steve thank you for your
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support for the book you wrote the forward uh to this book and we greatly appreciate it yeah
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uh and put it in context for the audience very importantly thank you i'm honored to be a part
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of it captain finnell is one of the most revered as a former naval officer and a surface warfare
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officer he's one of the most revered naval officers of his generation so anything i can do and of course
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dr thayer you're one of our most significant contributors lou dobbs is next the lou dobbs show
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he knows a thing or two about this also we'll be back here at 10 a.m tomorrow morning eastern
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