Bannon's War Room - February 09, 2024


WarRoom Battleground EP 469: Preview Of Tucker Carlson Interview


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour

Words per Minute

145.24838

Word Count

8,796

Sentence Count

16

Hate Speech Sentences

12


Summary

In this episode, we discuss Tucker Carlson's historic interview with Vladimir Putin. We also discuss the IRS's new collection efforts to collect back taxes, and what you should do if you get a letter from the IRS asking you to pay back taxes you owe.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
00:00:14.540 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
00:00:21.540 authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in Arizona this is just
00:00:27.440 like in Georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
00:00:32.180 misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is
00:00:36.460 the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground
00:00:42.840 here's your host Stephen K Bannon welcome Thursday 8th February year of our Lord 2024 okay this is
00:00:51.060 gonna be very special uh Tucker is doing this historic um really first interview I think by
00:00:56.480 western journalists of Putin since the uh since the uh the great war in Ukraine started this
00:01:01.660 couldn't be uh more timely because just a couple hours ago the Senate kind of flipped themselves
00:01:07.700 they flipped themselves and they are now going to put Ukraine on a fast track uh to try to get the
00:01:13.860 60 billion dollars from of course Rand Paul and others have said they're going to fight it obviously
00:01:17.440 the war room posse we're all going to the ramparts that's going to start tomorrow uh we've got time
00:01:23.000 on that and we're going to get you updated on everything that's going on Darren B is going to
00:01:25.880 join me we're going to set this in its historical context uh with Tucker because he's taking a lot
00:01:31.640 of grief in the mainstream media but this is a quite frankly a bold and courageous move on his part
00:01:36.880 first I want to go because the big two problems going on I'm hearing this from people in the specter
00:01:41.500 of kind of angst and anxiety one is the credit cards right two is the taxes and I want to bring in
00:01:47.500 Josh Joshua Hanna from Tax Network USA for a few minutes because here's it's very important
00:01:52.320 and Joshua you were the first guys to alert me to this they've got all these new IRS agents they're
00:01:56.980 sending out all these letters if you get a letter and you just look at the 800 number and you call
00:02:03.020 and make an information request or whatever correct me if wrong once you make that call you've kind of
00:02:07.800 waived your rights you're then in the system you're in the process so it's very important and I know a lot
00:02:13.260 of people out there worried maybe they didn't file right maybe they got back taxes they put in the
00:02:17.380 drawer and think it's going to go away it ain't going to go away okay particularly since they're hiring
00:02:20.940 tens of thousands of new agents and they're not going after the rich on that okay just write that
00:02:26.400 down they're going after you if you get the letters the first thing you do is do not call
00:02:31.680 and essentially waive your rights you got to call Tax Network USA so walk us through the process
00:02:36.520 Joshua because I've heard a lot of people are now freaking out about this
00:02:39.600 yeah the last thing you want to do obviously is sit on hold for three hours and end up on in a
00:02:48.020 pressure cooker with the treasury officer who wants to collect as much money as possible
00:02:52.160 once you've waived your rights they can really have their way with you and put you in a situation where
00:02:59.100 you're paying a lot more on the front end and also on the back end the interest and penalties
00:03:03.480 compound daily so you don't want that to happen at all the best way to handle it is to have a private
00:03:11.200 conversation with a tax professional someone who's licensed and understands the process from tip to tell
00:03:17.760 and how to get you the best deal with the government so just walk me through the process so when you get
00:03:24.600 the letter what you don't do don't call the IRS 800 number that gets you into the process and
00:03:29.480 essentially the implication ways you're right you got to call Tax Network USA in fact you should do
00:03:34.460 that today don't wait for a letter now walk me through the process totally free the first is of
00:03:38.620 totally free consultation right just walk people through the process it's totally uh private you're
00:03:46.820 not going to have to worry about any of your financial information getting out there uh we'll walk you
00:03:51.420 through an in-depth consultation it takes about 15 minutes to understand what programs are best for you
00:03:56.880 and what way to handle it understanding your status with the IRS and putting together a strategy to
00:04:03.040 reduce settle and resolve the tax debt uh there is a form that you would fill out it's a declaration of
00:04:09.080 representatives it allows our attorneys and licensed tax professionals to speak on your behalf
00:04:13.600 request transcripts uh appeal uh uh any any collection efforts that the government has filed against
00:04:22.020 you uh place the account in a collective hold status where we can uh put together a package for
00:04:29.080 relief and get this balance settled um the IRS is really banking on these new collection efforts uh
00:04:35.240 originally the Biden regime uh said they're gonna they're they're gonna collect five dollars for every
00:04:41.260 one dollar spent now the IRS is saying that they're gonna be able to collect six dollars for every one
00:04:45.780 dollar spent I think it's gonna be a lot more because the pandemic uh that they you know threw on us
00:04:51.560 and uh all the people who haven't filed for those years and haven't paid so I think it's gonna be
00:04:57.360 much larger than that well Joshua's talking about the billions of dollars they're putting in the
00:05:02.300 hundreds of billions of dollars they're putting a new IRS they're gonna get they're promising six
00:05:05.800 dollars back for every one remember they're not going after the wealthy this thing they said
00:05:10.780 because the wealthy have tax lawyers they got tax accounts they get they specialize to protect these
00:05:15.140 guys they're coming after you and they have to close the deficit somehow they ain't gonna raise taxes
00:05:19.440 on the wealthy they got to close the deficit they're not going to cut spending they think
00:05:23.520 the low-hanging fruit is you so last time where do they go uh Joshua to talk to you guys what's the
00:05:29.040 website what's the 800 number uh the 800 number that they're going to going to want to call is 800-245-6000
00:05:37.420 or they can visit tnusa.com uh slash bannon uh and fill out a form and they'll get a call uh during
00:05:45.760 normal business hours within a few minutes and they can speak with a licensed tax professional and
00:05:50.160 understand the best strategy to reduce settle and resolve their tax balances and unfiled returns
00:05:55.860 Joshua thank thank you so much for doing this audience don't let the specter of fear and anxiety
00:06:02.020 engulf you there's help the tax network usa guys are the best they'll go right to work so make sure
00:06:08.420 you check it out okay darren beady from revolver news man what a show i had boris cash loomer mike
00:06:15.980 davis raheem gassam ben burkwam now i got darren beady i mean that may be the best seven i'm on a roll
00:06:21.260 right now to put in perspective this guy has gotten so much this way i don't understand we just had the
00:06:27.920 senate flipped the entire rules and leave a vote open for 24 freaking hours so they they were losing
00:06:34.120 58 to 41 they strong-armed guys for 24 hours got nine people to flip all because it's all about
00:06:40.900 ukraine the whole the whole bogus us going up there with the uh with with all this non-boy you know the
00:06:48.240 the invasion authorization bill turns out it was just a joke that was all to get money to the ukraine
00:06:54.920 number one what is this fetish as jd vance calls it this obsession with getting this money into
00:07:01.080 ukraine and number two let's talk about the patriotism and heroism of tucker carlson and what
00:07:07.100 he's doing sir do i have uh darren i don't have him i'm here hello no oh darren i that was that was
00:07:20.360 question was for you brother i'm sorry i thought you were there yeah ask me again very i was team
00:07:30.120 i was teaming you up okay
00:07:35.320 they they just flipped this ukraine situation so that now they can actually get to it the whole the
00:07:45.740 whole thing on the border was just a fig leaf it was just a misdirection play to get to ukraine the
00:07:50.740 only thing they ever wanted to do was get to the 60 billion in ukraine why are they obsessed with that
00:07:55.360 number one why is victoria newland they just announced before he came on air by the way the
00:07:59.860 news is so intense we couldn't that zelensky did fire the beloved general he fired that today okay so
00:08:05.640 it's basically a military coup going on and and tucker carlson's heroism and patriotism in going to
00:08:11.920 moscow to hear from putin and let us be the judges of it let us weigh and measure as adults what the
00:08:17.580 guy says darren beady oh 100 look i mean the the situation from the standpoint of the regime which
00:08:25.520 has done everything in its power to just funnel money into the coffers of the corrupt ukraine
00:08:33.340 leadership and even more so into the corrupt leadership and military industrial complex united
00:08:39.340 states which ends up gobbling up um the overwhelming majority of of these funds um but yes they're
00:08:49.540 down on the ropes they understand the situation looks bad and like you know the proverbial monster
00:08:55.280 from the movies they're making a an attempt to revive their efforts and you saw that in fairly recently in
00:09:02.740 that tragic display really pathetic display of newland speaking on the empty street in ukraine the
00:09:09.200 empty street that you know she must have felt nostalgia for the days that those streets were filled up
00:09:15.660 as a result of her own engineered color revolution in euromaidan and she's just aching for a reprisal of
00:09:24.220 this and i think that's partially driving this new push for yet another multi multi multi billion dollar
00:09:33.340 package to ukraine which again just makes things worse for the ukrainian people just prolongs the
00:09:39.640 you know the conflict in which you know that's foregone conclusion anyway there's no point of it other than
00:09:46.180 to enrich and empower the corrupt leadership in the u.s and the corrupt leadership in the ukraine
00:09:53.260 with which they're tied at the hip regime leadership in the uniparty the party of davos and in its media
00:10:01.800 propaganda department has a special place and it's hard for the hate on tucker carlson i mean they
00:10:07.320 hate me they hate you they hate lindell they obviously hate trump at some psych you know some
00:10:11.580 psychotic level but there's something about tucker that triggers them or so i mean he's been called
00:10:18.100 everything he's going over to see a world leader and to interview a world leader and let the american
00:10:22.780 people kind of listen to hear it we're big boys and girls we know the guy's a kgb officer we get the
00:10:27.060 joke he's in the line of stalin we understand that but we're adults what is it about this hate of
00:10:32.400 tucker carlson even for him to try to do this it's been four days of total meltdown well you know it's
00:10:40.320 it's clear why that would be the case you know he's the only western journalist who would ever be in a
00:10:46.600 position to do this and it's frankly telling you know during his tenure on fox there were certain
00:10:52.620 occasions where he was the only person in western media who would do this or that thing he was the
00:11:00.680 only person in western media for instance who would um call into question the narrative that the syrian
00:11:07.940 uh chemical attacks were coming from assad there were certain moments where he wasn't just deviating
00:11:14.260 from the you know standard line at fox he was deviating from the consensus across the board across the
00:11:23.920 entire sweep of western media as such um and because he was willing and able to do that on such a big
00:11:32.720 stage he drew the ire the consternation the fear the anger of um the regime media and you know they were
00:11:43.180 hoping that okay you know now that he's taken off of fox he might have a large following but at the end
00:11:50.960 of the day he's just going to be another guy on the internet there's not that imprimatur of cable news
00:11:57.300 of fox news especially remember fox news has always you know been to fox news and it's true like the
00:12:03.280 network is the star there the network itself is bigger than any individual talent but when it was fox
00:12:09.320 news combined with trump in the white house when everyone knew that trump was also watching the
00:12:15.800 president was also watching that was just such a powerful synergy that gave the fox shows and in
00:12:22.460 particular tucker so much clout so much influence and so they're hoping okay trump's out of office now
00:12:29.360 now we booted tucker off of fox so he doesn't have the imprimatur of cable and you know there are a lot
00:12:35.340 of older people who are not informed high informed people watch war room they're not watching fox but
00:12:41.740 the you know default low information person is watching fox it just beams into everyone's household
00:12:47.360 they're habituated to watch cable so it's very powerful for that reason um but now tucker's not
00:12:53.920 on that anymore and they thought okay he might have a huge following even on twitter you know okay elan likes
00:12:59.460 him but at the end of the day he's just another person with a huge following on the internet and
00:13:04.860 a sea of influencers in a sea of voices i think that this putin interview is the winning chess move
00:13:14.080 the decisive move that only he was really in a position to do that definitively takes him out of
00:13:21.740 that category as just another guy on the internet and re-establishes him as just a major mover in
00:13:29.720 politics and media like it's such a big deal this is the first western interview of a major world leader
00:13:38.480 after a major world conflict i mean the fact that no western journalist had done this before
00:13:45.900 um is really astonishing and frankly quite damning
00:13:50.400 let's go ahead and play by the way go to tucker's site you can join up and come to tucker.com you can
00:13:58.720 get to all the information he's putting out articles every day they put up videos every day this thing's
00:14:03.220 very special let's go ahead and see the start of this and then darren and i will come back for some
00:14:07.240 comment it is primarily about the war in progress the war in ukraine how it started what's happening
00:14:13.860 and most presently how it might end one note before you watch at the beginning of the interview
00:14:19.860 we asked the most obvious question which is why did you do this did you feel a threat an imminent
00:14:24.580 physical threat and that's your justification and the answer we got shocked us putin went on for a
00:14:31.620 very long time probably half an hour about the history of russia going back to the 8th century
00:14:36.900 and honestly we thought this was a filibustering technique and found it annoying interrupted him
00:14:43.180 several times and he responded he was annoyed by the interruption but we concluded in the end for
00:14:49.240 what it's worth that it was not a filibustering technique there was no time limit on the interview
00:14:53.200 we ended it after more than two hours instead what you're about to see seem to us sincere whether
00:14:59.540 you agree with it or not vladimir putin believes that russia has a historic claim to parts of western
00:15:05.040 ukraine so our opinion would be to view it in that light as a sincere expression of what he thinks
00:15:11.100 and with that here it is mr president thank you on february 22nd 2022 you addressed your country in a
00:15:20.700 nationwide address when the conflict in ukraine started and you said that you were acting because
00:15:26.800 you had come to the conclusion that the united states through nato might initiate a quote
00:15:33.740 surprise attack on our country and to americaneers that sounds paranoid tell us why you believe the
00:15:40.520 united states might strike russia out of the blue how did you conclude that
00:15:45.120 it's not that america the united states was going to launch a surprise strike on russia i didn't say that
00:15:56.080 are we having a talk show or a serious conversation here's the quote thank you it's a formidable series
00:16:05.380 because your basic education is in history as far as i understand yes
00:16:14.200 so if you don't mind i will take only 30 seconds or one minute to give you a short reference to history
00:16:22.700 for giving you a little historical background please let's look where our relationship with ukraine
00:16:31.760 started from where did ukraine come from the russian state started gathering itself as a centralized
00:16:40.500 statehood and it is considered to be the year of the establishment of the russian state in 862
00:16:49.160 when the townspeople of novgorod invited a varangian prince rurik from scandinavia to reign
00:16:57.560 in 1862 russia celebrated the 1000th anniversary of its statehood
00:17:06.780 and in novgorod there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000th anniversary of the country
00:17:14.680 in 882 in 882 rurik's successor prince oleg who was actually playing the role of regent
00:17:23.320 at rurik's younger son because rurik had died by that time came to kiev
00:17:31.240 he ousted two brothers who apparently had once been members of rurik's squad
00:17:42.840 so russia began to develop with two centers of power kiev and novgorod
00:17:50.660 the next very significant date in the history of russia was 988
00:17:58.220 this was the baptism of russia when prince vladimir the great-grandson of rurik baptized russia
00:18:07.500 and adopted orthodoxy or eastern christianity from this time the centralized russian state
00:18:15.580 began to strengthen why because of the single territory integrated economic ties one in the
00:18:24.220 same language and after the baptism of russia the same faith and rule of the prince the centralized
00:18:31.340 russian state began to take shape back in the middle ages prince yaroslav the wise introduced the
00:18:39.260 order of succession to a throne
00:18:45.020 but after he passed away it became complicated for various reasons
00:18:53.180 the throne was passed not directly from father to eldest son but from the prince who had passed away to
00:18:59.340 his brother than to his sons in different lines all this led to the fragmentation and the end of russ as
00:19:09.500 a single state there was nothing special about it the same was happening then in europe
00:19:17.020 but the fragmented russian state became an easy prey to the empire created earlier by king ishan
00:19:31.180 his successors namely batuhan came to ruse plundered and ruined nearly all the cities the southern part
00:19:38.620 including kiev by the way and some other cities simply lost independence while northern cities preserved
00:19:45.740 some of their sovereignty they had to pay tribute to the horde but they managed to preserve some part of
00:19:53.500 their sovereignty and then a unified russian state began to take shape with its center in moscow
00:20:03.180 the southern part of russian lands including kiev
00:20:07.900 began to gradually gravitate towards another magnet the center that was emerging in europe
00:20:13.180 this was the grand duchy of lithuania it was even called the lithuanian russian duchy because russians
00:20:25.100 were a significant part of this population they spoke the old russian language and were orthodox
00:20:34.380 but then there was a unification the union of the grand duchy of lithuania
00:20:39.260 and the kingdom of poland a few years later another union was signed but this time already in the
00:20:48.220 religious sphere some of the orthodox priests became subordinate to the pope thus these lands became
00:20:56.140 part of the polish lithuanian state
00:20:58.220 during decades the poles were engaged in polandization of this part of the population
00:21:09.180 they introduced their language there tried to entrench the idea that this population was not exactly
00:21:15.580 russians that because they lived on the fringe they were ukrainians
00:21:20.460 originally the word ukrainian meant that the person was living on the outskirts of the state along the
00:21:29.500 fringes or was engaged in a border patrol service it didn't mean any particular ethnic group so the
00:21:37.660 poles were trying to in every possible way to polonize this part of the russian lands and actually
00:21:45.260 treated it rather harshly not to say cruelly all that led to the fact that this part of the russian
00:21:52.220 lands begun to struggle for their rights they wrote letters to warsaw demanding that their rights be
00:21:58.700 observed and people be commissioned here including to kiev i beg your pardon can you tell us what period
00:22:05.260 i'm losing track of where in history we are the polish oppression of ukraine it was in the 13th century
00:22:21.100 now i will tell you what happened later
00:22:26.060 and give the dates so that there is no confusion
00:22:28.380 and in 1654 even a bit earlier
00:22:38.380 the people who were in control of the authority over that part of the russian lands
00:22:45.340 addressed warsaw i repeat demanding that they send them to rulers of russian origin
00:22:51.340 and orthodox faith when warsaw did not answer them
00:22:55.260 and in fact rejected their demands they turned to moscow so that moscow took them away
00:23:06.460 so that you don't think that i'm inventing things
00:23:14.140 i'll give you these documents well i i it doesn't sound like you're inventing it i'm not
00:23:19.740 sure why it's relevant to what happened two years ago but still these are documents from the archives
00:23:26.620 copies here are the letters from bogdan chmielnitsky the man who then controlled the power in this part
00:23:34.940 of the russian lands that is now called ukraine he wrote to warsaw demanding that their rights be upheld
00:23:42.620 and after being refused he began to write letters to moscow asking to take them under the strong hand of
00:23:51.020 the moscow tsar there are copies of these documents i will leave them for your good memory there is a
00:23:57.740 translation into russian you can translate it into english later russia would not agree to admit them
00:24:03.980 straight away assuming that the war with poland would start nevertheless in 1654 the pan russian
00:24:11.260 assembly of top clergy and landowners headed by the tsar which was the representative body of the power
00:24:21.020 of the old russian state decided to include a part of the old russian lands into moscow kingdom
00:24:27.420 as expected the war with poland began it lasted 13 years and then in 1654 a truce was concluded
00:24:41.980 and 32 years later i think a peace treaty with poland which they called eternal peace was signed
00:24:48.620 and these lands the whole left bank of dnieper including kiev went to russia and the whole right
00:24:57.820 bank of dnieper remained in poland under the rule of katharina the great russia reclaimed all of its
00:25:05.020 historical lands including in the south and west this all lasted until the revolution before world war one
00:25:13.660 austrian austrian general staff relied on the ideas of ukrainianization and started actively promoting
00:25:21.500 the ideas of ukraine and the ukrainization their motive was obvious just before world war one they
00:25:34.060 wanted to weaken the potential enemy and secure themselves favorable conditions in the border area
00:25:40.620 so the idea which had emerged in poland that people residing in that territory were allegedly not really
00:25:47.660 russians but rather belong to a special ethnic group ukrainians started being propagated by the austrian
00:25:54.860 general staff as far back as the 19th century theorists calling for ukrainian independence appeared
00:26:02.780 all those however claimed that ukraine should have a very good relationship with russia
00:26:11.420 they insisted on that after the 1917 revolution
00:26:21.020 the bolsheviks sought to restore the statehood and the civil war began including the hostilities with poland
00:26:27.420 in 1921 peace with poland was proclaimed and under that treaty the right bank of dnieper river once again
00:26:39.420 was given back to poland in 1939 after poland cooperated with hitler it did collaborate with hitler you know
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00:31:34.540 much worse and a treaty of friendship an alliance demanding in return that poland give back to germany
00:31:47.900 the so-called dancing corridor which connected the bulk of germany with east prussia and konigsberg
00:31:54.780 after world war one this territory was transferred to poland and instead of danzig a city of gdansk emerged
00:32:12.460 hitler asked them to give it amicably but they refused of course still they collaborated with hitler
00:32:19.580 and engaged together in the partitioning of czechoslovakia but may ask you you're making the
00:32:28.060 case that that ukraine certainly parts of ukraine eastern ukraine is in effect russia has been for
00:32:33.660 hundreds of years why wouldn't you just take it when you became president 24 years ago you have
00:32:40.860 nuclear weapons they don't if it's actually your land why did you wait so long sure i'll tell you
00:32:47.900 i'm coming to that this briefing is coming to an end it might be boring but it explains many things
00:32:57.500 good good i'm so gratified that you appreciate that thank you so before world war ii poland
00:33:06.540 collaborated with hitler and although it did not yield to hitler's demands it still participated in the
00:33:13.260 partitioning of czechoslovakia together with hitler as the poles had not given the dancing corridor to
00:33:19.580 germany and went too far pushing hitler to start world war ii by attacking them why was it poland against
00:33:28.220 whom the war started on first september 1939 poland turned out to be uncompromising and hitler had nothing
00:33:36.780 to do but start implementing his plans with poland by the way the ussr i have read some archived documents
00:33:45.980 behaved very honestly it asked poland's permission to transit its troops through the polish territory to
00:33:53.580 help czechoslovakia but the then polish foreign minister said that if the soviet plans flew over
00:34:02.060 poland they would be downed over the territory of poland but that doesn't matter what matters is that
00:34:09.100 the war began and poland fell prey to the policies it had pursued against czechoslovakia as under the
00:34:16.460 well-known molotov-ribbentrop pact part of the territory including western ukraine was to be
00:34:24.540 given to russia thus russia which was then named this ussr regained its historical lands after the
00:34:34.220 victory in the great patriotic war as we call world war ii all those territories were ultimately enshrined
00:34:42.380 as belonging to russia to the ussr as for poland it received apparently in compensation the lands which
00:34:53.420 had originally been german the eastern parts of germany these are now western lands of poland
00:35:04.460 of course poland regained access to the baltic sea and danzig which was once again given its polish name
00:35:18.140 so this was how this situation developed
00:35:22.940 in 1922 when the ussr was being established the polsheviks started building the ussr
00:35:30.220 and established the soviet ukraine which had never existed before right
00:35:39.740 stalin insisted that those republics be included in the ussr as
00:35:45.900 autonomous entities
00:35:50.060 for some inexplicable reason lenin the founder of the soviet state insisted that they be entitled to
00:35:57.100 withdraw from the ussr and again for some unknown reasons he transferred to that newly established
00:36:06.620 soviet republic of ukraine some of the lands together with people living there even though those lands had
00:36:13.260 never been called ukraine and yet they were made part of that soviet republic of ukraine those lands
00:36:20.060 included the black sea region which was received under katharina the great and which had no historical
00:36:26.620 connection with ukraine whatsoever even if we go as far back as 1654 when these lands returned to russian
00:36:36.140 empire that territory was the size of three to four regions of modern ukraine with no black sea region
00:36:43.740 that was completely out of the question in 1654
00:36:47.020 exactly i'm just you obviously have encyclopedic knowledge of this region but why didn't you make
00:36:55.100 this case for the first 22 years as president that ukraine wasn't a real country the soviet union was given a
00:37:07.260 great deal of territory that had never belonged to it including the black sea region
00:37:12.220 at some point when russia received them as an outcome of the russo-turkish wars
00:37:21.740 they were called new russia or nova russia but that does not matter what matters is that lenin
00:37:29.580 the founder of the soviet state established ukraine that way
00:37:33.820 for decades the ukrainian soviet republic developed as part of the ussr and for unknown reasons again
00:37:43.900 the bolsheviks were engaged in ukrainianization it was not merely because the soviet leadership was
00:37:50.220 composed to a great extent of those originating from ukraine rather it was explained by the general
00:37:56.620 policy of indigenization pursued by the soviet union same things were done in other soviet republics
00:38:03.820 this involved promoting national languages and national cultures which is not a bad in principle
00:38:09.580 that is how the soviet ukraine was created after the world war ii ukraine received in addition to the
00:38:15.820 lands that had belonged to poland before the war part of the lands that had previously belonged to
00:38:21.500 hungary and romania so romania and hungary had some of their lands taken away and given to the soviet
00:38:28.460 ukraine and they still remain part of ukraine so in this sense we have every reason to affirm that
00:38:34.140 ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at stalin's will do you believe hungary has a right to take
00:38:39.980 its land back from ukraine and that other nations have a right to go back to their 1654 borders
00:38:45.180 i'm not sure whether they should go back to the 1654 borders but given stalin's time
00:38:59.180 so-called stalin's regime which as many claim saw numerous violations of human rights and violations of
00:39:05.980 the rights of other states one may say that they could claim back those lands of theirs while having
00:39:20.140 no right to do that it is at least understandable have you told victor orban that he can have part of
00:39:25.740 ukraine never i have never told them not a single time we have not even had any conversation on that
00:39:41.020 but i actually know for sure that hungarians who live there wanted to get back to their historical land
00:39:49.900 moreover i would like to share a very interesting story with you
00:39:58.380 i digress it's a personal one somewhere in the early 80s i went on a road trip in a car from then
00:40:07.180 leningrad across the soviet union through kiev made a stop in kiev and then went to western ukraine
00:40:14.940 and all the names of towns and villages there were in russian and in the language i did not understand
00:40:26.220 in hungarian in russian and in hungarian not in ukrainian in russian and in hungarian i was driving
00:40:35.340 through some kind of village and there were men sitting next to the houses and they were wearing
00:40:41.260 black three-piece suits and black cylinder hats i asked are they some kind of entertainers i was
00:40:47.900 told no they were not entertainers they're hungarians i said what are they doing here what do you mean
00:40:54.380 this is their land they live here this was during the soviet time in the 1980s they preserved the
00:41:00.540 hungarian language hungarian names and all their national costumes they are hungarians and they feel
00:41:07.100 themselves to be hungarians and of course when now there is an infringement well that that is and
00:41:13.740 there's a lot of that though i think many nations are upset about transylvania as well as you obviously
00:41:17.580 know but many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars
00:41:23.420 going back a thousand years the ones that you mentioned but the fact is that you didn't make this
00:41:29.500 case in public until two years ago february and in the case that you made which i read today you you
00:41:36.380 explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the west in nato including potentially
00:41:41.420 a nuclear threat and that's what got you to move is that a fair characterization of what you said
00:41:46.780 i understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview
00:42:00.460 that is why i asked you at the beginning are we going to have a serious talk or a show you said a serious
00:42:08.380 talk so bear with me please we're coming to the point where the soviet ukraine was established
00:42:17.420 then in 1991 the soviet union collapsed and everything that russia had generously bestowed
00:42:25.260 on ukraine was dragged away by the ladder i'm coming to a very important point of today's agenda
00:42:33.020 thank you after all the collapse of the soviet union was effectively initiated by the russian
00:42:39.820 leadership i do not understand what the russian leadership was guided by at the time but i suspect
00:42:49.180 there were several reasons to think everything would be fine first i think that then russian
00:43:00.700 leadership believed that the fundamentals of the relationship between russia and ukraine were in
00:43:06.620 fact a common language more than 90 percent of the population there spoke russian
00:43:15.020 family ties every third person there had some kind of family or friendship ties common culture common
00:43:22.380 history finally common faith coexistence with a single state for centuries and deeply interconnected
00:43:30.140 economies all of these were so fundamental all these elements together make our good
00:43:39.900 relationships inevitable the second point is a very important one i want you as an american
00:43:50.380 citizen and your viewers to hear about this as well the former russian leadership assumed that the
00:43:57.660 soviet union had ceased to exist and therefore there were no longer any ideological dividing lines
00:44:06.860 russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the soviet union
00:44:12.940 and believed that this would be understood by the so-called civilized west as an invitation for
00:44:19.500 cooperation and association that is what russia was expecting both from the united states and the so-called
00:44:28.300 collective west as a whole there were smart people including in germany egon bar a major politician of the
00:44:37.500 social democratic party who insisted in his personal conversations with the soviet leadership on the brink of the
00:44:44.700 collapse of the soviet union that a new security system should be established in europe help should
00:44:52.460 be given to unified germany but a new system should be also established to include the united states canada
00:44:59.740 russia and other central european countries yes but nato needs not to expand that's what he said
00:45:07.340 if nato expands everything would be just the same as during the cold war only closer to russia's borders
00:45:15.900 that's all he was a wise old man but no one listened to him in fact he got angry once
00:45:26.460 if he said you don't listen to me i'm never setting my foot in moscow once again
00:45:31.260 everything happened just as he had said well of course it did come true and i and you've mentioned
00:45:39.020 this many times i think it's a fair point and many in america thought that relations between
00:45:44.940 russia and the united states would be fine with the collapse of the soviet union at the end of the
00:45:48.780 cold war that the opposite happened but you've never explained why you think that happened except to
00:45:54.940 say that the west fears a strong russia but we have a strong china the west does not seem very afraid of
00:46:02.060 what about russia do you think convinced policymakers they had to take it down
00:46:11.420 the west is afraid of strong china more than it fears a strong russia because russia has 150 million
00:46:18.140 people and china has 1.5 billion population and its economy is growing by leaps and bounds or five percent
00:46:26.140 a year it used to be even more but that's enough for china as bismarck once put it potentials are the
00:46:33.100 most important china's potential is enormous it is the biggest economy in the world today in terms of
00:46:39.660 purchasing power parity and the size of the economy it has already overtaking the united states quite a
00:46:46.140 long time ago and it is growing at a rapid clip let's not talk about who is afraid of whom let's not
00:46:52.540 reason in such terms and let's get into the fact that after 1991 when russia expected that it would
00:46:59.260 be welcomed into the brotherly family of civilized nations nothing like this happened you tricked us
00:47:05.660 i don't mean you personally when i say you of course i'm talking about the united states the promise
00:47:11.580 was that nato would not expand eastward but it happened five times there were five waves of expansion
00:47:17.900 we tolerated all that we were trying to persuade them we were saying please don't we are as bourgeois
00:47:24.940 now as you are we are market economy and there is no communist party power let's negotiate moreover
00:47:31.900 i have also said this publicly before there was a moment when a certain rift started growing between us
00:47:42.780 before that yeltsin came to the united states remember he spoke in congress and said the good
00:47:48.780 words god bless america everything he said were signals let us in remember the developments in
00:47:56.220 yugoslavia before the yeltsin was lavished with praise as soon as the developments in yugoslavia started
00:48:02.380 he raised his voice in support of serbs and we couldn't but raise our voices for serbs in their defense
00:48:08.380 i understand that there were complex processes on the way there i do but russia could not help raising
00:48:14.220 its voice in support of serbs because serbs are also a special and close to us nation with orthodox
00:48:20.940 culture and so on it's a nation that has suffered so much for generations well regardless what is
00:48:27.340 important is that yeltsin expressed his support what did the united states do in violation of international
00:48:34.300 law and the un charter it started bombing belgrade it was the united states that let the genie out of
00:48:40.060 the bottle moreover when russia protested and expressed its resentment what was said the un
00:48:47.900 charter and international law have become obsolete now everyone invokes international law but at that
00:48:54.700 time they started saying that everything was outdated everything had to be changed indeed some things need
00:49:01.340 to be changed as the balance of power has changed it's true but not in this manner eltsin was immediately
00:49:08.460 dragged through the mud accused of alcoholism of understanding nothing of knowing nothing he
00:49:14.780 understood everything i assure you well i became president in 2000 i thought okay the yugoslav issue is
00:49:23.100 over but we should try to restore relations let's reopen the door that russia had tried to go through
00:49:30.060 and moreover i said it publicly i can't reiterate at a meeting here in the kremlin with the outgoing
00:49:39.820 president bill clinton right here in the next room i said to him i asked him bill do you think if russia
00:49:49.820 asked to join nato do you think it would happen suddenly he said you know it's interesting i think
00:49:57.820 so but in the evening when we met for dinner he said you know i've talked to my team no no it's not
00:50:07.340 possible now you can ask him i think he will watch our interview he'll confirm it i wouldn't have said
00:50:15.580 anything like that if it hadn't happened okay were you since it's impossible now would you have joined
00:50:22.620 nato look i asked the question is it possible or not and the answer i got was no if i wasn't sincere
00:50:31.740 in my desire to find out what the leadership position was but if he had said yes would you have
00:50:37.580 joined nato if he had said yes the process of reproachment would have commenced and eventually
00:50:46.060 it might have happened if we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners but it didn't
00:50:52.300 happen well no means no okay fine why do you think that is just to get to motive i know you're clearly
00:50:59.020 bitter about it um i understand but why do you think the west rebuffed you then why the hostility
00:51:06.620 why did the end of the cold war not fix the relationship what motivates this from your point of
00:51:12.380 view you said i was bitter about the answer no it's not bitterness it's just a statement of fact
00:51:22.780 we're not bride and groom bitterness resentment it's not about those kind of matters in such
00:51:29.100 circumstances we just realized we weren't welcome there that's all okay fine but let's build relations
00:51:37.660 in another manner let's look for common ground elsewhere why we receive such a negative response you
00:51:44.700 should ask your leaders i can only guess why too big a country with its own opinion and so on
00:51:51.020 and the united states i have seen how issues are being resolved in nato i will give you another
00:51:59.660 example now concerning ukraine the u.s leadership exerts pressure and all nato members obediently vote
00:52:10.060 even if they do not like something now i'll tell you what happened in this regard with ukraine in 2008
00:52:17.740 although it's being discussed i'm not going to open a secret to you say anything new nevertheless
00:52:25.900 after that we tried to build relations in different ways for example the events in the middle east in
00:52:33.100 iraq we were building relations with the united states in a very soft prudent cautious manner
00:52:39.980 i repeatedly raised the issue that the united states should not support separatism or terrorism in the
00:52:46.780 north caucasus but they continue to do it anyway and political support information support financial
00:52:56.460 support even military support came from the united states and its satellites for terrorist groups in the
00:53:03.180 caucuses i once raised this issue with my colleague also the president of the united states he says it's
00:53:12.300 impossible do you have proof i said yes i was prepared for this conversation and i gave him that proof
00:53:20.300 he looked at it and you know what he said i apologize but that's what happened i'll quote he says
00:53:27.500 well i'm gonna kick their ass we waited and waited for some response there was no reply i said to the
00:53:36.620 fsb director write to the cia what is the result of the conversation with president he wrote once twice
00:53:44.860 and then we got a reply we have the answer in the archive the cia replied we have been working with the
00:53:52.540 opposition in russia we believe that this is the right thing to do and we will keep on doing it just
00:53:59.580 ridiculous well okay we realized that it was out of the question forces in opposition to you so you're
00:54:07.340 saying the cia is trying to overthrow your government of course they meant in that particular case the
00:54:14.060 separatists the terrorists who fought with us in the caucuses that's who they called the opposition
00:54:22.540 this is the second point the third moment is a very important one is the moment when the u.s missile
00:54:31.820 defense system was created the beginning we persuaded for a long time not to do it in united states
00:54:42.540 moreover
00:54:43.100 after was invited by bush jr's father bush senior to visit his place on the ocean i had a very serious
00:54:55.500 conversation with president bush and his team i proposed that the united states russia and europe jointly
00:55:03.260 create a missile defense system that we believe if created unilaterally threatens our security despite the
00:55:11.340 fact that the united states officially said that it was being created against missile threats from iran
00:55:18.300 that was the justification for the deployment of the missile defense system
00:55:23.020 i suggested working together russia the united states and europe they said it was very interesting
00:55:29.900 they asked me are you serious i said absolutely
00:55:39.180 i don't remember it is easy to find out on the internet when i was in the usa at the invitation of
00:55:46.220 a bush senior it is even easier to learn from someone i'm going to tell you about
00:55:51.260 i was told it was very interesting i said just imagine if we could tackle such a global strategic
00:55:59.740 security challenge together the world will change we'll probably have disputes probably economic and
00:56:07.500 even political ones but we could drastically change the situation in the world he says yes
00:56:14.220 and asks are you serious i said of course we need to think about it i'm so i said go ahead please
00:56:23.180 then secretary of defense gates former director of cia and secretary of state rice came in here in this
00:56:31.020 cabinet right here at this table they sat on this table me the foreign minister the russian defense
00:56:37.900 minister on that side they said to me yes we have thought about it we agree i said thank god great no but
00:56:48.140 with some exceptions so twice you've described u.s presidents making decisions and then being undercut
00:56:56.140 by their agency heads so it sounds like you're describing a system that's not run
00:57:01.660 by the people who are elected in your talent that's right that's right in the end they just told us to
00:57:11.260 get lost i'm not going to tell you the details because i think it's incorrect after all it was
00:57:17.580 confidential conversation but our proposal was declined that's a fact it was right then when i said look but
00:57:26.220 then we will be forced to take countermeasures we will create such strike systems that will certainly
00:57:31.980 overcome missile defense systems the answer was we are not doing this against you and you do what
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