Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 469： Preview Of Tucker Carlson Interview

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:14.540 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the

00:00:21.540 authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in Arizona this is just

00:00:27.440 like in Georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and

00:00:32.180 misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is

00:00:36.460 the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground

00:00:42.840 here's your host Stephen K Bannon welcome Thursday 8th February year of our Lord 2024 okay this is

00:00:51.060 gonna be very special uh Tucker is doing this historic um really first interview I think by

00:00:56.480 western journalists of Putin since the uh since the uh the great war in Ukraine started this

00:01:01.660 couldn't be uh more timely because just a couple hours ago the Senate kind of flipped themselves

00:01:07.700 they flipped themselves and they are now going to put Ukraine on a fast track uh to try to get the 0.72

00:01:13.860 60 billion dollars from of course Rand Paul and others have said they're going to fight it obviously

00:01:17.440 the war room posse we're all going to the ramparts that's going to start tomorrow uh we've got time

00:01:23.000 on that and we're going to get you updated on everything that's going on Darren B is going to

00:01:25.880 join me we're going to set this in its historical context uh with Tucker because he's taking a lot

00:01:31.640 of grief in the mainstream media but this is a quite frankly a bold and courageous move on his part

00:01:36.880 first I want to go because the big two problems going on I'm hearing this from people in the specter

00:01:41.500 of kind of angst and anxiety one is the credit cards right two is the taxes and I want to bring in

00:01:47.500 Josh Joshua Hanna from Tax Network USA for a few minutes because here's it's very important

00:01:52.320 and Joshua you were the first guys to alert me to this they've got all these new IRS agents they're

00:01:56.980 sending out all these letters if you get a letter and you just look at the 800 number and you call

00:02:03.020 and make an information request or whatever correct me if wrong once you make that call you've kind of

00:02:07.800 waived your rights you're then in the system you're in the process so it's very important and I know a lot

00:02:13.260 of people out there worried maybe they didn't file right maybe they got back taxes they put in the

00:02:17.380 drawer and think it's going to go away it ain't going to go away okay particularly since they're hiring

00:02:20.940 tens of thousands of new agents and they're not going after the rich on that okay just write that

00:02:26.400 down they're going after you if you get the letters the first thing you do is do not call

00:02:31.680 and essentially waive your rights you got to call Tax Network USA so walk us through the process

00:02:36.520 Joshua because I've heard a lot of people are now freaking out about this

00:02:39.600 yeah the last thing you want to do obviously is sit on hold for three hours and end up on in a

00:02:48.020 pressure cooker with the treasury officer who wants to collect as much money as possible

00:02:52.160 once you've waived your rights they can really have their way with you and put you in a situation where

00:02:59.100 you're paying a lot more on the front end and also on the back end the interest and penalties

00:03:03.480 compound daily so you don't want that to happen at all the best way to handle it is to have a private

00:03:11.200 conversation with a tax professional someone who's licensed and understands the process from tip to tell

00:03:17.760 and how to get you the best deal with the government so just walk me through the process so when you get

00:03:24.600 the letter what you don't do don't call the IRS 800 number that gets you into the process and

00:03:29.480 essentially the implication ways you're right you got to call Tax Network USA in fact you should do

00:03:34.460 that today don't wait for a letter now walk me through the process totally free the first is of

00:03:38.620 totally free consultation right just walk people through the process it's totally uh private you're

00:03:46.820 not going to have to worry about any of your financial information getting out there uh we'll walk you

00:03:51.420 through an in-depth consultation it takes about 15 minutes to understand what programs are best for you

00:03:56.880 and what way to handle it understanding your status with the IRS and putting together a strategy to

00:04:03.040 reduce settle and resolve the tax debt uh there is a form that you would fill out it's a declaration of

00:04:09.080 representatives it allows our attorneys and licensed tax professionals to speak on your behalf

00:04:13.600 request transcripts uh appeal uh uh any any collection efforts that the government has filed against

00:04:22.020 you uh place the account in a collective hold status where we can uh put together a package for

00:04:29.080 relief and get this balance settled um the IRS is really banking on these new collection efforts uh

00:04:35.240 originally the Biden regime uh said they're gonna they're they're gonna collect five dollars for every

00:04:41.260 one dollar spent now the IRS is saying that they're gonna be able to collect six dollars for every one

00:04:45.780 dollar spent I think it's gonna be a lot more because the pandemic uh that they you know threw on us

00:04:51.560 and uh all the people who haven't filed for those years and haven't paid so I think it's gonna be

00:04:57.360 much larger than that well Joshua's talking about the billions of dollars they're putting in the

00:05:02.300 hundreds of billions of dollars they're putting a new IRS they're gonna get they're promising six

00:05:05.800 dollars back for every one remember they're not going after the wealthy this thing they said

00:05:10.780 because the wealthy have tax lawyers they got tax accounts they get they specialize to protect these

00:05:15.140 guys they're coming after you and they have to close the deficit somehow they ain't gonna raise taxes

00:05:19.440 on the wealthy they got to close the deficit they're not going to cut spending they think

00:05:23.520 the low-hanging fruit is you so last time where do they go uh Joshua to talk to you guys what's the

00:05:29.040 website what's the 800 number uh the 800 number that they're going to going to want to call is 800-245-6000

00:05:37.420 or they can visit tnusa.com uh slash bannon uh and fill out a form and they'll get a call uh during

00:05:45.760 normal business hours within a few minutes and they can speak with a licensed tax professional and

00:05:50.160 understand the best strategy to reduce settle and resolve their tax balances and unfiled returns

00:05:55.860 Joshua thank thank you so much for doing this audience don't let the specter of fear and anxiety

00:06:02.020 engulf you there's help the tax network usa guys are the best they'll go right to work so make sure

00:06:08.420 you check it out okay darren beady from revolver news man what a show i had boris cash loomer mike

00:06:15.980 davis raheem gassam ben burkwam now i got darren beady i mean that may be the best seven i'm on a roll

00:06:21.260 right now to put in perspective this guy has gotten so much this way i don't understand we just had the

00:06:27.920 senate flipped the entire rules and leave a vote open for 24 freaking hours so they they were losing

00:06:34.120 58 to 41 they strong-armed guys for 24 hours got nine people to flip all because it's all about

00:06:40.900 ukraine the whole the whole bogus us going up there with the uh with with all this non-boy you know the

00:06:48.240 the invasion authorization bill turns out it was just a joke that was all to get money to the ukraine

00:06:54.920 number one what is this fetish as jd vance calls it this obsession with getting this money into

00:07:01.080 ukraine and number two let's talk about the patriotism and heroism of tucker carlson and what

00:07:07.100 he's doing sir do i have uh darren i don't have him i'm here hello no oh darren i that was that was

00:07:20.360 question was for you brother i'm sorry i thought you were there yeah ask me again very i was team

00:07:30.120 i was teaming you up okay

00:07:35.320 they they just flipped this ukraine situation so that now they can actually get to it the whole the

00:07:45.740 whole thing on the border was just a fig leaf it was just a misdirection play to get to ukraine the

00:07:50.740 only thing they ever wanted to do was get to the 60 billion in ukraine why are they obsessed with that

00:07:55.360 number one why is victoria newland they just announced before he came on air by the way the

00:07:59.860 news is so intense we couldn't that zelensky did fire the beloved general he fired that today okay so

00:08:05.640 it's basically a military coup going on and and tucker carlson's heroism and patriotism in going to

00:08:11.920 moscow to hear from putin and let us be the judges of it let us weigh and measure as adults what the

00:08:17.580 guy says darren beady oh 100 look i mean the the situation from the standpoint of the regime which

00:08:25.520 has done everything in its power to just funnel money into the coffers of the corrupt ukraine 0.94

00:08:33.340 leadership and even more so into the corrupt leadership and military industrial complex united

00:08:39.340 states which ends up gobbling up um the overwhelming majority of of these funds um but yes they're

00:08:49.540 down on the ropes they understand the situation looks bad and like you know the proverbial monster

00:08:55.280 from the movies they're making a an attempt to revive their efforts and you saw that in fairly recently in

00:09:02.740 that tragic display really pathetic display of newland speaking on the empty street in ukraine the

00:09:09.200 empty street that you know she must have felt nostalgia for the days that those streets were filled up

00:09:15.660 as a result of her own engineered color revolution in euromaidan and she's just aching for a reprisal of

00:09:24.220 this and i think that's partially driving this new push for yet another multi multi multi billion dollar

00:09:33.340 package to ukraine which again just makes things worse for the ukrainian people just prolongs the

00:09:39.640 you know the conflict in which you know that's foregone conclusion anyway there's no point of it other than

00:09:46.180 to enrich and empower the corrupt leadership in the u.s and the corrupt leadership in the ukraine

00:09:53.260 with which they're tied at the hip regime leadership in the uniparty the party of davos and in its media

00:10:01.800 propaganda department has a special place and it's hard for the hate on tucker carlson i mean they

00:10:07.320 hate me they hate you they hate lindell they obviously hate trump at some psych you know some

00:10:11.580 psychotic level but there's something about tucker that triggers them or so i mean he's been called 0.86

00:10:18.100 everything he's going over to see a world leader and to interview a world leader and let the american

00:10:22.780 people kind of listen to hear it we're big boys and girls we know the guy's a kgb officer we get the

00:10:27.060 joke he's in the line of stalin we understand that but we're adults what is it about this hate of

00:10:32.400 tucker carlson even for him to try to do this it's been four days of total meltdown well you know it's

00:10:40.320 it's clear why that would be the case you know he's the only western journalist who would ever be in a

00:10:46.600 position to do this and it's frankly telling you know during his tenure on fox there were certain

00:10:52.620 occasions where he was the only person in western media who would do this or that thing he was the

00:11:00.680 only person in western media for instance who would um call into question the narrative that the syrian

00:11:07.940 uh chemical attacks were coming from assad there were certain moments where he wasn't just deviating

00:11:14.260 from the you know standard line at fox he was deviating from the consensus across the board across the

00:11:23.920 entire sweep of western media as such um and because he was willing and able to do that on such a big

00:11:32.720 stage he drew the ire the consternation the fear the anger of um the regime media and you know they were

00:11:43.180 hoping that okay you know now that he's taken off of fox he might have a large following but at the end

00:11:50.960 of the day he's just going to be another guy on the internet there's not that imprimatur of cable news

00:11:57.300 of fox news especially remember fox news has always you know been to fox news and it's true like the

00:12:03.280 network is the star there the network itself is bigger than any individual talent but when it was fox

00:12:09.320 news combined with trump in the white house when everyone knew that trump was also watching the

00:12:15.800 president was also watching that was just such a powerful synergy that gave the fox shows and in

00:12:22.460 particular tucker so much clout so much influence and so they're hoping okay trump's out of office now

00:12:29.360 now we booted tucker off of fox so he doesn't have the imprimatur of cable and you know there are a lot

00:12:35.340 of older people who are not informed high informed people watch war room they're not watching fox but

00:12:41.740 the you know default low information person is watching fox it just beams into everyone's household

00:12:47.360 they're habituated to watch cable so it's very powerful for that reason um but now tucker's not

00:12:53.920 on that anymore and they thought okay he might have a huge following even on twitter you know okay elan likes

00:12:59.460 him but at the end of the day he's just another person with a huge following on the internet and

00:13:04.860 a sea of influencers in a sea of voices i think that this putin interview is the winning chess move

00:13:14.080 the decisive move that only he was really in a position to do that definitively takes him out of

00:13:21.740 that category as just another guy on the internet and re-establishes him as just a major mover in

00:13:29.720 politics and media like it's such a big deal this is the first western interview of a major world leader

00:13:38.480 after a major world conflict i mean the fact that no western journalist had done this before

00:13:45.900 um is really astonishing and frankly quite damning

00:13:50.400 let's go ahead and play by the way go to tucker's site you can join up and come to tucker.com you can

00:13:58.720 get to all the information he's putting out articles every day they put up videos every day this thing's

00:14:03.220 very special let's go ahead and see the start of this and then darren and i will come back for some

00:14:07.240 comment it is primarily about the war in progress the war in ukraine how it started what's happening

00:14:13.860 and most presently how it might end one note before you watch at the beginning of the interview

00:14:19.860 we asked the most obvious question which is why did you do this did you feel a threat an imminent

00:14:24.580 physical threat and that's your justification and the answer we got shocked us putin went on for a

00:14:31.620 very long time probably half an hour about the history of russia going back to the 8th century

00:14:36.900 and honestly we thought this was a filibustering technique and found it annoying interrupted him

00:14:43.180 several times and he responded he was annoyed by the interruption but we concluded in the end for

00:14:49.240 what it's worth that it was not a filibustering technique there was no time limit on the interview

00:14:53.200 we ended it after more than two hours instead what you're about to see seem to us sincere whether

00:14:59.540 you agree with it or not vladimir putin believes that russia has a historic claim to parts of western

00:15:05.040 ukraine so our opinion would be to view it in that light as a sincere expression of what he thinks

00:15:11.100 and with that here it is mr president thank you on february 22nd 2022 you addressed your country in a

00:15:20.700 nationwide address when the conflict in ukraine started and you said that you were acting because

00:15:26.800 you had come to the conclusion that the united states through nato might initiate a quote

00:15:33.740 surprise attack on our country and to americaneers that sounds paranoid tell us why you believe the

00:15:40.520 united states might strike russia out of the blue how did you conclude that

00:15:45.120 it's not that america the united states was going to launch a surprise strike on russia i didn't say that

00:15:56.080 are we having a talk show or a serious conversation here's the quote thank you it's a formidable series

00:16:05.380 because your basic education is in history as far as i understand yes

00:16:14.200 so if you don't mind i will take only 30 seconds or one minute to give you a short reference to history

00:16:22.700 for giving you a little historical background please let's look where our relationship with ukraine

00:16:31.760 started from where did ukraine come from the russian state started gathering itself as a centralized

00:16:40.500 statehood and it is considered to be the year of the establishment of the russian state in 862

00:16:49.160 when the townspeople of novgorod invited a varangian prince rurik from scandinavia to reign

00:16:57.560 in 1862 russia celebrated the 1000th anniversary of its statehood

00:17:06.780 and in novgorod there is a memorial dedicated to the 1000th anniversary of the country

00:17:14.680 in 882 in 882 rurik's successor prince oleg who was actually playing the role of regent

00:17:23.320 at rurik's younger son because rurik had died by that time came to kiev

00:17:31.240 he ousted two brothers who apparently had once been members of rurik's squad

00:17:42.840 so russia began to develop with two centers of power kiev and novgorod

00:17:50.660 the next very significant date in the history of russia was 988

00:17:58.220 this was the baptism of russia when prince vladimir the great-grandson of rurik baptized russia

00:18:07.500 and adopted orthodoxy or eastern christianity from this time the centralized russian state

00:18:15.580 began to strengthen why because of the single territory integrated economic ties one in the

00:18:24.220 same language and after the baptism of russia the same faith and rule of the prince the centralized

00:18:31.340 russian state began to take shape back in the middle ages prince yaroslav the wise introduced the

00:18:39.260 order of succession to a throne

00:18:45.020 but after he passed away it became complicated for various reasons

00:18:53.180 the throne was passed not directly from father to eldest son but from the prince who had passed away to

00:18:59.340 his brother than to his sons in different lines all this led to the fragmentation and the end of russ as

00:19:09.500 a single state there was nothing special about it the same was happening then in europe

00:19:17.020 but the fragmented russian state became an easy prey to the empire created earlier by king ishan

00:19:31.180 his successors namely batuhan came to ruse plundered and ruined nearly all the cities the southern part 0.84

00:19:38.620 including kiev by the way and some other cities simply lost independence while northern cities preserved

00:19:45.740 some of their sovereignty they had to pay tribute to the horde but they managed to preserve some part of

00:19:53.500 their sovereignty and then a unified russian state began to take shape with its center in moscow

00:20:03.180 the southern part of russian lands including kiev

00:20:07.900 began to gradually gravitate towards another magnet the center that was emerging in europe

00:20:13.180 this was the grand duchy of lithuania it was even called the lithuanian russian duchy because russians

00:20:25.100 were a significant part of this population they spoke the old russian language and were orthodox

00:20:34.380 but then there was a unification the union of the grand duchy of lithuania

00:20:39.260 and the kingdom of poland a few years later another union was signed but this time already in the

00:20:48.220 religious sphere some of the orthodox priests became subordinate to the pope thus these lands became

00:20:56.140 part of the polish lithuanian state

00:20:58.220 during decades the poles were engaged in polandization of this part of the population 1.00

00:21:09.180 they introduced their language there tried to entrench the idea that this population was not exactly

00:21:15.580 russians that because they lived on the fringe they were ukrainians

00:21:20.460 originally the word ukrainian meant that the person was living on the outskirts of the state along the

00:21:29.500 fringes or was engaged in a border patrol service it didn't mean any particular ethnic group so the

00:21:37.660 poles were trying to in every possible way to polonize this part of the russian lands and actually

00:21:45.260 treated it rather harshly not to say cruelly all that led to the fact that this part of the russian 0.93

00:21:52.220 lands begun to struggle for their rights they wrote letters to warsaw demanding that their rights be

00:21:58.700 observed and people be commissioned here including to kiev i beg your pardon can you tell us what period

00:22:05.260 i'm losing track of where in history we are the polish oppression of ukraine it was in the 13th century

00:22:21.100 now i will tell you what happened later

00:22:26.060 and give the dates so that there is no confusion

00:22:28.380 and in 1654 even a bit earlier

00:22:38.380 the people who were in control of the authority over that part of the russian lands

00:22:45.340 addressed warsaw i repeat demanding that they send them to rulers of russian origin

00:22:51.340 and orthodox faith when warsaw did not answer them

00:22:55.260 and in fact rejected their demands they turned to moscow so that moscow took them away

00:23:06.460 so that you don't think that i'm inventing things

00:23:14.140 i'll give you these documents well i i it doesn't sound like you're inventing it i'm not

00:23:19.740 sure why it's relevant to what happened two years ago but still these are documents from the archives

00:23:26.620 copies here are the letters from bogdan chmielnitsky the man who then controlled the power in this part

00:23:34.940 of the russian lands that is now called ukraine he wrote to warsaw demanding that their rights be upheld

00:23:42.620 and after being refused he began to write letters to moscow asking to take them under the strong hand of

00:23:51.020 the moscow tsar there are copies of these documents i will leave them for your good memory there is a

00:23:57.740 translation into russian you can translate it into english later russia would not agree to admit them

00:24:03.980 straight away assuming that the war with poland would start nevertheless in 1654 the pan russian

00:24:11.260 assembly of top clergy and landowners headed by the tsar which was the representative body of the power

00:24:21.020 of the old russian state decided to include a part of the old russian lands into moscow kingdom

00:24:27.420 as expected the war with poland began it lasted 13 years and then in 1654 a truce was concluded

00:24:41.980 and 32 years later i think a peace treaty with poland which they called eternal peace was signed

00:24:48.620 and these lands the whole left bank of dnieper including kiev went to russia and the whole right

00:24:57.820 bank of dnieper remained in poland under the rule of katharina the great russia reclaimed all of its

00:25:05.020 historical lands including in the south and west this all lasted until the revolution before world war one

00:25:13.660 austrian austrian general staff relied on the ideas of ukrainianization and started actively promoting

00:25:21.500 the ideas of ukraine and the ukrainization their motive was obvious just before world war one they 0.92

00:25:34.060 wanted to weaken the potential enemy and secure themselves favorable conditions in the border area

00:25:40.620 so the idea which had emerged in poland that people residing in that territory were allegedly not really

00:25:47.660 russians but rather belong to a special ethnic group ukrainians started being propagated by the austrian

00:25:54.860 general staff as far back as the 19th century theorists calling for ukrainian independence appeared

00:26:02.780 all those however claimed that ukraine should have a very good relationship with russia

00:26:11.420 they insisted on that after the 1917 revolution

00:26:21.020 the bolsheviks sought to restore the statehood and the civil war began including the hostilities with poland

00:26:27.420 in 1921 peace with poland was proclaimed and under that treaty the right bank of dnieper river once again

00:26:39.420 was given back to poland in 1939 after poland cooperated with hitler it did collaborate with hitler you know

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00:31:47.900 the so-called dancing corridor which connected the bulk of germany with east prussia and konigsberg

00:31:54.780 after world war one this territory was transferred to poland and instead of danzig a city of gdansk emerged

00:32:12.460 hitler asked them to give it amicably but they refused of course still they collaborated with hitler

00:32:19.580 and engaged together in the partitioning of czechoslovakia but may ask you you're making the

00:32:28.060 case that that ukraine certainly parts of ukraine eastern ukraine is in effect russia has been for

00:32:33.660 hundreds of years why wouldn't you just take it when you became president 24 years ago you have

00:32:40.860 nuclear weapons they don't if it's actually your land why did you wait so long sure i'll tell you

00:32:47.900 i'm coming to that this briefing is coming to an end it might be boring but it explains many things

00:32:57.500 good good i'm so gratified that you appreciate that thank you so before world war ii poland

00:33:06.540 collaborated with hitler and although it did not yield to hitler's demands it still participated in the

00:33:13.260 partitioning of czechoslovakia together with hitler as the poles had not given the dancing corridor to

00:33:19.580 germany and went too far pushing hitler to start world war ii by attacking them why was it poland against

00:33:28.220 whom the war started on first september 1939 poland turned out to be uncompromising and hitler had nothing

00:33:36.780 to do but start implementing his plans with poland by the way the ussr i have read some archived documents

00:33:45.980 behaved very honestly it asked poland's permission to transit its troops through the polish territory to

00:33:53.580 help czechoslovakia but the then polish foreign minister said that if the soviet plans flew over

00:34:02.060 poland they would be downed over the territory of poland but that doesn't matter what matters is that

00:34:09.100 the war began and poland fell prey to the policies it had pursued against czechoslovakia as under the

00:34:16.460 well-known molotov-ribbentrop pact part of the territory including western ukraine was to be

00:34:24.540 given to russia thus russia which was then named this ussr regained its historical lands after the

00:34:34.220 victory in the great patriotic war as we call world war ii all those territories were ultimately enshrined

00:34:42.380 as belonging to russia to the ussr as for poland it received apparently in compensation the lands which

00:34:53.420 had originally been german the eastern parts of germany these are now western lands of poland

00:35:04.460 of course poland regained access to the baltic sea and danzig which was once again given its polish name

00:35:18.140 so this was how this situation developed

00:35:22.940 in 1922 when the ussr was being established the polsheviks started building the ussr

00:35:30.220 and established the soviet ukraine which had never existed before right

00:35:39.740 stalin insisted that those republics be included in the ussr as

00:35:45.900 autonomous entities

00:35:50.060 for some inexplicable reason lenin the founder of the soviet state insisted that they be entitled to

00:35:57.100 withdraw from the ussr and again for some unknown reasons he transferred to that newly established

00:36:06.620 soviet republic of ukraine some of the lands together with people living there even though those lands had

00:36:13.260 never been called ukraine and yet they were made part of that soviet republic of ukraine those lands

00:36:20.060 included the black sea region which was received under katharina the great and which had no historical

00:36:26.620 connection with ukraine whatsoever even if we go as far back as 1654 when these lands returned to russian

00:36:36.140 empire that territory was the size of three to four regions of modern ukraine with no black sea region

00:36:43.740 that was completely out of the question in 1654

00:36:47.020 exactly i'm just you obviously have encyclopedic knowledge of this region but why didn't you make

00:36:55.100 this case for the first 22 years as president that ukraine wasn't a real country the soviet union was given a

00:37:07.260 great deal of territory that had never belonged to it including the black sea region

00:37:12.220 at some point when russia received them as an outcome of the russo-turkish wars

00:37:21.740 they were called new russia or nova russia but that does not matter what matters is that lenin

00:37:29.580 the founder of the soviet state established ukraine that way

00:37:33.820 for decades the ukrainian soviet republic developed as part of the ussr and for unknown reasons again

00:37:43.900 the bolsheviks were engaged in ukrainianization it was not merely because the soviet leadership was

00:37:50.220 composed to a great extent of those originating from ukraine rather it was explained by the general

00:37:56.620 policy of indigenization pursued by the soviet union same things were done in other soviet republics

00:38:03.820 this involved promoting national languages and national cultures which is not a bad in principle

00:38:09.580 that is how the soviet ukraine was created after the world war ii ukraine received in addition to the

00:38:15.820 lands that had belonged to poland before the war part of the lands that had previously belonged to

00:38:21.500 hungary and romania so romania and hungary had some of their lands taken away and given to the soviet

00:38:28.460 ukraine and they still remain part of ukraine so in this sense we have every reason to affirm that

00:38:34.140 ukraine is an artificial state that was shaped at stalin's will do you believe hungary has a right to take 0.84

00:38:39.980 its land back from ukraine and that other nations have a right to go back to their 1654 borders 0.96

00:38:45.180 i'm not sure whether they should go back to the 1654 borders but given stalin's time

00:38:59.180 so-called stalin's regime which as many claim saw numerous violations of human rights and violations of

00:39:05.980 the rights of other states one may say that they could claim back those lands of theirs while having

00:39:20.140 no right to do that it is at least understandable have you told victor orban that he can have part of

00:39:25.740 ukraine never i have never told them not a single time we have not even had any conversation on that

00:39:41.020 but i actually know for sure that hungarians who live there wanted to get back to their historical land 0.96

00:39:49.900 moreover i would like to share a very interesting story with you

00:39:58.380 i digress it's a personal one somewhere in the early 80s i went on a road trip in a car from then

00:40:07.180 leningrad across the soviet union through kiev made a stop in kiev and then went to western ukraine

00:40:14.940 and all the names of towns and villages there were in russian and in the language i did not understand

00:40:26.220 in hungarian in russian and in hungarian not in ukrainian in russian and in hungarian i was driving

00:40:35.340 through some kind of village and there were men sitting next to the houses and they were wearing

00:40:41.260 black three-piece suits and black cylinder hats i asked are they some kind of entertainers i was

00:40:47.900 told no they were not entertainers they're hungarians i said what are they doing here what do you mean

00:40:54.380 this is their land they live here this was during the soviet time in the 1980s they preserved the

00:41:00.540 hungarian language hungarian names and all their national costumes they are hungarians and they feel

00:41:07.100 themselves to be hungarians and of course when now there is an infringement well that that is and

00:41:13.740 there's a lot of that though i think many nations are upset about transylvania as well as you obviously

00:41:17.580 know but many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars

00:41:23.420 going back a thousand years the ones that you mentioned but the fact is that you didn't make this

00:41:29.500 case in public until two years ago february and in the case that you made which i read today you you

00:41:36.380 explain at great length that you felt a physical threat from the west in nato including potentially

00:41:41.420 a nuclear threat and that's what got you to move is that a fair characterization of what you said

00:41:46.780 i understand that my long speeches probably fall outside of the genre of the interview

00:42:00.460 that is why i asked you at the beginning are we going to have a serious talk or a show you said a serious

00:42:08.380 talk so bear with me please we're coming to the point where the soviet ukraine was established

00:42:17.420 then in 1991 the soviet union collapsed and everything that russia had generously bestowed

00:42:25.260 on ukraine was dragged away by the ladder i'm coming to a very important point of today's agenda

00:42:33.020 thank you after all the collapse of the soviet union was effectively initiated by the russian

00:42:39.820 leadership i do not understand what the russian leadership was guided by at the time but i suspect

00:42:49.180 there were several reasons to think everything would be fine first i think that then russian

00:43:00.700 leadership believed that the fundamentals of the relationship between russia and ukraine were in

00:43:06.620 fact a common language more than 90 percent of the population there spoke russian

00:43:15.020 family ties every third person there had some kind of family or friendship ties common culture common

00:43:22.380 history finally common faith coexistence with a single state for centuries and deeply interconnected

00:43:30.140 economies all of these were so fundamental all these elements together make our good

00:43:39.900 relationships inevitable the second point is a very important one i want you as an american

00:43:50.380 citizen and your viewers to hear about this as well the former russian leadership assumed that the

00:43:57.660 soviet union had ceased to exist and therefore there were no longer any ideological dividing lines

00:44:06.860 russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the soviet union

00:44:12.940 and believed that this would be understood by the so-called civilized west as an invitation for

00:44:19.500 cooperation and association that is what russia was expecting both from the united states and the so-called

00:44:28.300 collective west as a whole there were smart people including in germany egon bar a major politician of the

00:44:37.500 social democratic party who insisted in his personal conversations with the soviet leadership on the brink of the

00:44:44.700 collapse of the soviet union that a new security system should be established in europe help should

00:44:52.460 be given to unified germany but a new system should be also established to include the united states canada

00:44:59.740 russia and other central european countries yes but nato needs not to expand that's what he said

00:45:07.340 if nato expands everything would be just the same as during the cold war only closer to russia's borders

00:45:15.900 that's all he was a wise old man but no one listened to him in fact he got angry once

00:45:26.460 if he said you don't listen to me i'm never setting my foot in moscow once again

00:45:31.260 everything happened just as he had said well of course it did come true and i and you've mentioned

00:45:39.020 this many times i think it's a fair point and many in america thought that relations between

00:45:44.940 russia and the united states would be fine with the collapse of the soviet union at the end of the

00:45:48.780 cold war that the opposite happened but you've never explained why you think that happened except to

00:45:54.940 say that the west fears a strong russia but we have a strong china the west does not seem very afraid of

00:46:02.060 what about russia do you think convinced policymakers they had to take it down

00:46:11.420 the west is afraid of strong china more than it fears a strong russia because russia has 150 million

00:46:18.140 people and china has 1.5 billion population and its economy is growing by leaps and bounds or five percent

00:46:26.140 a year it used to be even more but that's enough for china as bismarck once put it potentials are the

00:46:33.100 most important china's potential is enormous it is the biggest economy in the world today in terms of

00:46:39.660 purchasing power parity and the size of the economy it has already overtaking the united states quite a

00:46:46.140 long time ago and it is growing at a rapid clip let's not talk about who is afraid of whom let's not

00:46:52.540 reason in such terms and let's get into the fact that after 1991 when russia expected that it would

00:46:59.260 be welcomed into the brotherly family of civilized nations nothing like this happened you tricked us

00:47:05.660 i don't mean you personally when i say you of course i'm talking about the united states the promise

00:47:11.580 was that nato would not expand eastward but it happened five times there were five waves of expansion

00:47:17.900 we tolerated all that we were trying to persuade them we were saying please don't we are as bourgeois

00:47:24.940 now as you are we are market economy and there is no communist party power let's negotiate moreover

00:47:31.900 i have also said this publicly before there was a moment when a certain rift started growing between us

00:47:42.780 before that yeltsin came to the united states remember he spoke in congress and said the good

00:47:48.780 words god bless america everything he said were signals let us in remember the developments in

00:47:56.220 yugoslavia before the yeltsin was lavished with praise as soon as the developments in yugoslavia started

00:48:02.380 he raised his voice in support of serbs and we couldn't but raise our voices for serbs in their defense

00:48:08.380 i understand that there were complex processes on the way there i do but russia could not help raising

00:48:14.220 its voice in support of serbs because serbs are also a special and close to us nation with orthodox

00:48:20.940 culture and so on it's a nation that has suffered so much for generations well regardless what is

00:48:27.340 important is that yeltsin expressed his support what did the united states do in violation of international

00:48:34.300 law and the un charter it started bombing belgrade it was the united states that let the genie out of

00:48:40.060 the bottle moreover when russia protested and expressed its resentment what was said the un

00:48:47.900 charter and international law have become obsolete now everyone invokes international law but at that

00:48:54.700 time they started saying that everything was outdated everything had to be changed indeed some things need

00:49:01.340 to be changed as the balance of power has changed it's true but not in this manner eltsin was immediately

00:49:08.460 dragged through the mud accused of alcoholism of understanding nothing of knowing nothing he

00:49:14.780 understood everything i assure you well i became president in 2000 i thought okay the yugoslav issue is

00:49:23.100 over but we should try to restore relations let's reopen the door that russia had tried to go through 0.60

00:49:30.060 and moreover i said it publicly i can't reiterate at a meeting here in the kremlin with the outgoing

00:49:39.820 president bill clinton right here in the next room i said to him i asked him bill do you think if russia

00:49:49.820 asked to join nato do you think it would happen suddenly he said you know it's interesting i think

00:49:57.820 so but in the evening when we met for dinner he said you know i've talked to my team no no it's not

00:50:07.340 possible now you can ask him i think he will watch our interview he'll confirm it i wouldn't have said

00:50:15.580 anything like that if it hadn't happened okay were you since it's impossible now would you have joined

00:50:22.620 nato look i asked the question is it possible or not and the answer i got was no if i wasn't sincere

00:50:31.740 in my desire to find out what the leadership position was but if he had said yes would you have

00:50:37.580 joined nato if he had said yes the process of reproachment would have commenced and eventually

00:50:46.060 it might have happened if we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners but it didn't

00:50:52.300 happen well no means no okay fine why do you think that is just to get to motive i know you're clearly

00:50:59.020 bitter about it um i understand but why do you think the west rebuffed you then why the hostility

00:51:06.620 why did the end of the cold war not fix the relationship what motivates this from your point of

00:51:12.380 view you said i was bitter about the answer no it's not bitterness it's just a statement of fact

00:51:22.780 we're not bride and groom bitterness resentment it's not about those kind of matters in such

00:51:29.100 circumstances we just realized we weren't welcome there that's all okay fine but let's build relations

00:51:37.660 in another manner let's look for common ground elsewhere why we receive such a negative response you

00:51:44.700 should ask your leaders i can only guess why too big a country with its own opinion and so on

00:51:51.020 and the united states i have seen how issues are being resolved in nato i will give you another

00:51:59.660 example now concerning ukraine the u.s leadership exerts pressure and all nato members obediently vote

00:52:10.060 even if they do not like something now i'll tell you what happened in this regard with ukraine in 2008

00:52:17.740 although it's being discussed i'm not going to open a secret to you say anything new nevertheless

00:52:25.900 after that we tried to build relations in different ways for example the events in the middle east in

00:52:33.100 iraq we were building relations with the united states in a very soft prudent cautious manner

00:52:39.980 i repeatedly raised the issue that the united states should not support separatism or terrorism in the

00:52:46.780 north caucasus but they continue to do it anyway and political support information support financial

00:52:56.460 support even military support came from the united states and its satellites for terrorist groups in the

00:53:03.180 caucuses i once raised this issue with my colleague also the president of the united states he says it's

00:53:12.300 impossible do you have proof i said yes i was prepared for this conversation and i gave him that proof

00:53:20.300 he looked at it and you know what he said i apologize but that's what happened i'll quote he says 0.97

00:53:27.500 well i'm gonna kick their ass we waited and waited for some response there was no reply i said to the 0.98

00:53:36.620 fsb director write to the cia what is the result of the conversation with president he wrote once twice 0.99

00:53:44.860 and then we got a reply we have the answer in the archive the cia replied we have been working with the

00:53:52.540 opposition in russia we believe that this is the right thing to do and we will keep on doing it just

00:53:59.580 ridiculous well okay we realized that it was out of the question forces in opposition to you so you're

00:54:07.340 saying the cia is trying to overthrow your government of course they meant in that particular case the 0.95

00:54:14.060 separatists the terrorists who fought with us in the caucuses that's who they called the opposition

00:54:22.540 this is the second point the third moment is a very important one is the moment when the u.s missile

00:54:31.820 defense system was created the beginning we persuaded for a long time not to do it in united states

00:54:42.540 moreover

00:54:43.100 after was invited by bush jr's father bush senior to visit his place on the ocean i had a very serious

00:54:55.500 conversation with president bush and his team i proposed that the united states russia and europe jointly

00:55:03.260 create a missile defense system that we believe if created unilaterally threatens our security despite the

00:55:11.340 fact that the united states officially said that it was being created against missile threats from iran

00:55:18.300 that was the justification for the deployment of the missile defense system

00:55:23.020 i suggested working together russia the united states and europe they said it was very interesting

00:55:29.900 they asked me are you serious i said absolutely

00:55:39.180 i don't remember it is easy to find out on the internet when i was in the usa at the invitation of

00:55:46.220 a bush senior it is even easier to learn from someone i'm going to tell you about

00:55:51.260 i was told it was very interesting i said just imagine if we could tackle such a global strategic

00:55:59.740 security challenge together the world will change we'll probably have disputes probably economic and

00:56:07.500 even political ones but we could drastically change the situation in the world he says yes

00:56:14.220 and asks are you serious i said of course we need to think about it i'm so i said go ahead please

00:56:23.180 then secretary of defense gates former director of cia and secretary of state rice came in here in this

00:56:31.020 cabinet right here at this table they sat on this table me the foreign minister the russian defense

00:56:37.900 minister on that side they said to me yes we have thought about it we agree i said thank god great no but

00:56:48.140 with some exceptions so twice you've described u.s presidents making decisions and then being undercut

00:56:56.140 by their agency heads so it sounds like you're describing a system that's not run

00:57:01.660 by the people who are elected in your talent that's right that's right in the end they just told us to

00:57:11.260 get lost i'm not going to tell you the details because i think it's incorrect after all it was

00:57:17.580 confidential conversation but our proposal was declined that's a fact it was right then when i said look but

00:57:26.220 then we will be forced to take countermeasures we will create such strike systems that will certainly

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Bannon's War Room - February 09, 2024

WarRoom Battleground EP 469： Preview Of Tucker Carlson Interview

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